Inside BMW's QUAD TURBO 3.0L Diesel Engine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- In the world of diesel engines, we've seen a lot of interesting changes and trends throughout the years.
But, BMW took it a step further by introducing one of the weirdest diesel engines you'll ever hear of: a 3.0L inline six diesel with not just one, not two, not three, but four turbos.
So, today let's take a dive into the BMW B57 quad turbo engine and see what it's all about.
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To cover the OM617
Mercedes M112 engine
Desmodromic valve engines
Can you talk about the Q7 V12 TDI's unit?
N57 please
That's quite fun to hear "3L is a small engine" because in Europe, that's very very big for an engine, even a 2L engine is considered sporty
Yes in todays standard for sure. But back then 2l was considered nothing
I love my 2L BMW 1 series diesel and the 2.5L 3 series I have.
@@Austrium1483no. That's always been the case in Europe, or at least for the last 40+ years
To be fair, VW Group did offer an amazing 4L V8 TDI twin turbo on several models in Europe until a few years ago. And in the past, they sold a V10 TDI and the 6L V12 TDI twin turbo. In recent decades, even in North America, engines have been getting smaller on average. In the past, big V8 engines were an American classic, but now they are rare. Some of the only new cars with a V8 are, for example, the Corvette, and high performance versions of the Mustang. But those are sadly only gasoline, not diesel engines. Certain pickup trucks and very large SUVs are the only place you'll find big displacement diesel engines in the 6L range. But even GM is only selling a 3L diesel these days on new large models.
@@stefanburemo9661 do you have a spare extra bmw for me hahaha, i got 2 litre petrol bmw very bad engine N20
BMW realized turbos were getting too reliable so they added more to increase the chances of failure. 💪
M57 turbos don't usually have problems. Ran mine stock for 150,000 miles before I upgraded. Sold them for $500.
"you don't have a car faster by putting more parts on it, you make it faster with Nitros" Reno 911
@@MikeyB_1972 my M57 has an original turbo at 313 000km (almost 200 000 miles)
@@shitpostcentraIhow many km (miles) you’re drive before oil replacement ?
S58: *what's unreliable?*
That sounds amazing and terrifying to own outside of warranty
Not really, it's a very simple system. I've seen 4.0L diesel engines in the agriculture in order power small farm equipment.
@@LBZDreamerThe turbos will be the first thing to fail. And there’s 4 of them.
I absolutely shudder at the thought of a 2nd and 3rd owner of one of these things.
Probably very on point.
It is, thankfully there are only a few of them on the road 😅
Could you imagine a 7 series achieving 40mpg? That would be killer.
My 20 yo 5 series 20d gets that on the highway
Joe Achilles achieved 67mpg when he drove from London to Madrid in the -16 730d. There is a video about it on TH-cam.
US spec bmw 740 Ld gets that stock
@@peto22 True... i watched it... that was simply insane
I get 50mpg with my 10yo 3serie 20d
Thanks for the video!
Currently driving a ‘23 X5 M50d - bought it just before the LCI to get this engine - not disappointed at all! Feels more alive than the M40i Z4! Really a magnificent engine 👌🏻
In South Africa about 2/3 of BMWs are diesel - good power with great economy - it’s a pity they killed it off and all we have is the 30d with the sample hybrid system 😩
m50d smokes even on a 2022 car even the m40d smoked, idk
Well. Belgium just saying FY to diesels with low emission zones... too bad
I cant complain about my twin turbo s55 its a monster
Don’t fret. The engine’s back in 2025
Honestly the tuned power numbers were not that bad considering it's a 3.0 liter motor with small turbos. Honestly think that's pretty good overall.
One thing that B57 make happy is it share simillar block construction to B58. So BMW make both diesel and gasoline engine on simillar cylinder block. And diesel usually run with higher boost from the factory. Thats make B58 very strong because the block has same standard as B57 does.
That explains why they went back to the closed deck design for these engines. They need to handle the high compression ratio and torque output of the diesel versions, so are perhaps over-engineered for the petrol versions.
I really wonder how reliable these new high-output designs will be in the long run. The new 3.0 Duramax is especially interesting because it uses an aluminum block. Then again, the diesel engine that powered the Soviet T-34 tank also had an aluminum block and it lasted a while....
First hand experience with the 3.0 Duramax. It's a joke. Definitely stick with the normal Duramax. Never thought GM would make an inline 6 harder to work on than a v8
@@alainaguilar9938 yea ive heard its pretty ass to work on
T34 engine didn't last long
@@JohnSmith-lf4beby lasted a while I meant stayed in production...... Soviet engines were crap in general....
These modular engines i think uses same type of crankshaft which are capable of handling 1000hp
One of my colleagues from university has a mechanic shop in which he does mostly BMW's. This 2017 750Ld came in the shop with some turbo problems. The quirky thing about it was that it was an ex-government car and it came with a 40 horsepower bump from factory. I got chauffered around on a little test drive in the most important place in that car, the rear right seat. Even with its faulty turbos, it glued me to seat and was quiet all the way up to the redline.
The M57 with two CP3's and a couple of Tim's turbos = 550-600hp, 800trq
You got any experience with tims turbos? I have a m57 in a 335d and been looking at Tim’s turbos stage 3 but I don’t know anyone whos ran them.
dual fuelers in a m57? What size injectors is it running?
@@LBZDreamer stock. The injectors are not the limiting factor
@@LBZDreamer Stock.,.They flow pretty well.
Driving my deleted M57 now! Love it!
I've been longing for a B57 deep dive video thanks mate
I drive an m550d estate. The torque never gets old, this engine is a masterpiece
This "masterpiece" has been cancelled long time ago. 😂
@@Enko063 that's what EU regulations to do modern engines that are designed for performance
@@koiflichrl1974 Also it has been unreliable. God help for second and third owner. 😂
@@koiflichrl1974 Diesel ones, yes. Still plenty of good petrol engines out there, though probably not for much longer.
I heard about this engine couple months ago, and I was waiting for someone to make a comprehensive video, so thank you!!
If this and the B58 share blocks then why not put a dipstick on the B58 too then!?
You can if you want to. There actually is a machined dipstick hole at the bottom of the block. On the stock B48 and B58, it is used instead as part of the crank-case ventilation system, filled instead with a fitting for vent hoses.
I’m sure there is a way to run a catch can instead and run a dipstick
The newer V8s and V12s have dipsticks
I dd a older bmw m57 i6 twinturbo it's tuned to about 400hp 600tq 40mpg. I've been very happy with it runs mid 12s looks good and cheap to run
Thx, please can you do one on the N57-series?
Friend of mine has a 2021 M50d. An absolute beast of a thing. It just keeps pulling and pulling. He's a sucker for punishment though as he used to own a triple-turbo version (2014 I think) which blew all 3 turbos and wrecked the engine
Imagine these turbos failing 😂
Just buy another superior turbo compared to this - what's so hard about that?
@@baoquoc3710you honestly think it’s that easy to just find another “superior” turbo for an engine that was designed with its own one off setup like this that will bolt right up huh? 🤦🏼♂️
If one fails you have 3 more left its not that big of a deal.
@@hairtrigger2438 what kind of turbos that's one-off? Just a snail spinning boy that pushing air into the na block and a failure turbo didn't made it the end of the world, do you have to complicated your thought about it being something that so out of ordinary?
@@kaeji_namitsua 😆🤣 If only it actually DID work like that!
6:28 the 10 injections per engine cycle thing is a staple of modern common rail direct injection diesels, basically fuel is injected gradually instead of all at once, which improves power, torque, performance when cold and emissions.
It was actually pioneered by FIAT who patented the JTD system (jet turbodiesel) which later evolved into JTDm/Multijet and later still into Multijet 2 and 3, which is used on FIAT group (FIAT, Lancia, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Jeep and so on) diesels up to this day. This system was sold by Bosch and formed the basis for all contemporary crdi diesel engines including VW group's TDi, Peugeot group HDi and BlueHDi and BMW and Mercedes diesels
Its for refinement. Nothing to do with power.
Diesel is the future and answer to the automotive industry. Not electric
I agree! What people don’t understand is that a new diesel with emissions systems are net 0 emissions.
Too bad Dieselgate happened
No. I'm also a big petrolhead, but in terms of Environment an electric car is already way better than a Diesel engine. I don't like this fact, but therefore this fact should not be denied.
@@maxwagner5502you are completely wrong.
@@maxwagner5502to make one battery for your electric car they produce 10× more gas in the atmosphere.
Can we put in 4 hybrid turbo's?
Why not lol
Alotta guys prefer the single turbo 30d models (530d, 730d). This is because there's aftermarket parts available like turbos that can increase power.
Could make an interesting option for a supercar motor built-in someone's garage using a Porsche Trans axel And you take off a bunch of those emissions standards And slightly upscale the turbos that are built into it I mean sure you will lose some miles per gallon Going to somewhere about the thirty's range But I think that would be just fine Although you would just need a trans that is built to handle the amount of torque
Years ago (2012) I talked with a BMW tech about the N57D30 (Tri-Turbo) engine about its reliability: "Usually the first customer of a car with that engine is a lessee, so he/she does not care about repairs as the car is sold after about two years. But beware if you're the 2nd or 3rd owner - even minor repairs are expensive because we have to remove the engine from the car as everything is so crammed inside the engine bay!" (and we're not even talking about BMW OEM spare part and labor prices...).
2:00 From my knowledge the b57 did not have 3 turbos, only the n57 did
There is a B57 variant with 3 turbos- in the Alpina D5.
@@kaismueller Seems that you are right. Thanks for the info
Their naming system make's complete sense and gives most of general information needed on the equipment and design.. Whats the issue
I bet that would be really fun to work on when the time comes all of that in a not real big engine compartment
I drive this engine daily in g31 2018 m550d, it is like nothing I have ever driven, such power.
Would love one for retrofit ! Minus all the exhaust crap !!
Finally, been waiting for this engine, thx!
And in the real world the Euro 6 engines are finding all of these emission gimmicks are being deleted by garages just to run by 60k miles, they just dont work for long enough.
The M550d B57S with the 4 turbo's is actually a very robust and stable engine. We have several clients in our shop that have them, no engine issues at all, not even a higher kilometers (200000+). The previous N57S engine did have some issues, specially when tuned. Tuners did not understand the 3-turbo engine then and overdone it. The M550d B57S can safely be tuned to 480HP and 900NM (even 1000NM, that is the ZF torque limit). Alpine still uses this engine in the D5S, it's a real gem.
is the B57 (330/340d) that reliable aswell ? i've read a few topics here and there about some kind of intake swirls/flaps that had some play therefore popping a CEL
Neighbor has that power out of a 2011 3.0 diesel 335D. Egr delete and tune. At 85mph we were getting 54mpg.
This thing is made to blast the Autobahn. Doing high speed for long time at low revs without having to stop for fuel. I drove one of these from Stuttgart to Munich and just one and a half half hour.
Once someone has a quality delete system for all that horrible emissions equipment, I bet those could make massive amounts of reliable hp and torque
I own 550d, g30 with simple ecu and gearbox tune and i achieved 3.5 sec 0-60 and 11.6 sec on 1/4 mile. Car is fantastic. 190000 km on clock and everything fine
Love this channel. Lot of great information. Thanks for the great content cheers from Canada 🍻
BMW's Tuner ALPINA still makes the Quad turbo diesel engine for the XD3 and XD4(Performance diesel versions of the X3 and X4). They have made an even more powerful tri turbo diesel engine which goes into the 400 Horsepower range and can be found on the D5.
I can only imagine what this thing cost.
Awesome another BMW engine to breakdown every week
Not meant for tuning. This engine meant to achieve the v8-v10 powerbands from the '90s and '00s with smaller displacement. The only reason this engine is complicated on this level because it was trying to survive the Euro 6d and in the meantime it became a ticking time bomb. At 10+ years old and over 200k miles these will be the most unreliable, most expensive things to own ever.
I see no reason (or evidence!) why this engine should be more unreliable than any other BMW diesel engine. The 4 -turbo system is actually more stable, each turbo has less work to do than a single or bi-turbo setup.
BMW came with 50d 3 and 4 turbo diesel engines way before Audi’s SQ7. Great video nonetheless.
Definitely a fascinating motor in it's own right. One would think that the CO2 emissions would be relatively low given its impressive fuel economy.
That is a good logical thought. However, anything that burns creates CO2. Perhaps the CO2 per Mile would more accurately fit Your comment. Logical thinking! 5:47
*it comes down to particulates
Aluminum block + 4 turbos = best reliability
Everyone is talking about this thing ! Toss a giant single Turbo add more fuel and tune and you will have 500 hp with 700ftlbs of torque making all these big cars move beautifully
Pardon I small and One large turbo...
The best thing that engine can do is brake down and bankrupt the owner.
Good luck to the bastard who gets the task to get those 4 turbos in sinc correctly!
Also, a 1.6 4 cylinder is a small engine, not a 3.0 I6..
At the mechanic getting a turbo done.
"Yea you might as well do them all so we don't have to pull the engine 4 different times.😂
I want to see a triple turbo setup. 3 different sizes. Little to big. So you get response big power up top and everything in between. I’m sure they could do it with their new electronic waste gates. They can make the turbos do anything they want with software.
BMW did that about ten years ago with the N57D30 Tri-turbo
It was two sizes, two small, one big.
They can't fullfil everything you asked but there is the ALPINA(bought out tuner by bmw) D5 that uses triple turbos.
Mossellman turbos or what its called offers upgraded turbos for the b57. I can imagine it to be a pain to install but still there are options, and those who rly want to reach 500hp will be able to do it.
So are we able to put them turbos on a m57
Im sorry, let me get this straight real quick:
- 4 spooly bois
- 41 mpg
- Compact 3.0L
- 400hp
- 560lb-ft or torque
- 4 spooly bois (have i said that already?)
Why hasnt someone put this damn thing in a miata yet?
My 2011 335d M57 sequential turbo is a ton of fun. Quick but very expensive to maintain. I fear the infamous #1 main bearing failure though. My wife’s 2006 MB320 CDI OM648 is much more reliable. It can be “hot-rodded” to 300 hp/550 lb/ft of torque at the wheels while getting 40 mpgs.
CDI for 2000 the guy I bought it from here to his car had seven hundred thousand miles Annie drives it all across America currently
I have an 09 with the m57 with emissions equipped. Could you tell me the possible unscheduled maintenance on those cars so im ready to pour a little cash into it. Right now im in the process of replacing the thermostat, and swirl flaps delete. I saw a little leak from the small oil line from the small turbo. And also saw the vacuum lines are becoming brittle that also needs to be replaced. Overall the car runs excellent. I minus test all the glow plugs too before winter comes.
@@shadowsiren3058. Couple of more things, examine the harmonic/dampener balancer very closely. If it is bad, it will take out the main bearings pretty quickly. Look for cracks in the rubber portion. If your AC quits and the charging system light comes on, it is about to leave the “chat” if it hadn’t already done so. And lastly, change the oil/filter every 5K miles. The 09s and 10s appear to have less problems than the 11s do. I think BMW sold about 10K of the 2011s versus maybe 2,000 for 2009 and 2010s combined. Since there are about 5Xs of the 2011s may explain the higher bearing failures. Some speculate that BMW may have received some faulty main bearings. Fun cars to drive though. Look up Santger Performance Development (SPD) on TH-cam. He has a 335d (probably 800+ hp) that he drives to the drag strip, runs 9s and drives it home.
@@shadowsiren3058harmonic balancer is something to look out for. If it has any cracks change it
Your 335d has a version of the M57 not prone to that issue. There is nothing infamous about it. Completely irrelevant to your e90 335d
about the after market power upgrades, you can get 530hp and about 830NM from that engine with a stage1 a stage 2 where you remove the dpf would get you about 570 and almost 900NM. However that engine and its predecessor were made to make a diesel engine "feel" like a petrol engine. I personaly have the f10 m550d and its running with a stage 2 490hp 872NM for 4 years without problems though I removed the AGR, "Drallklappen" as we call them in German and did a few other tweaks to make the engine last longer. But after market wise you cant upgrade the Turbo chargers as far as I know due to the architectur of the blowing system I think am not so sure about that topic tbh...
Question does anyone know the dry weight of the N57 or the B57 diesel engines??
This is why ICE is dead. The ever increasing complexity to meet emission regulations or improve drivability makes these things unreliable and expensive. Electric drivetrains consist of a battery and an electric motor plus a simple one-speed transmission. If battery technology gets better at the current pace there is soon no business case vor an ICE car anymore.
They pretend to care about the environment while making unreliable short-lasting throwaway cars so they have can have higher yearly car and parts sales. Sure great for emissions, building cars that dont last!😂. Dont worry though, the new model has .001% better tailpipe emissions! They are saving the planet!
McChip tuned this engine to 515hp. There are two youtube videos, one of the 5 series and the other of the 7 series
Search 'M2 50d' , a swapped M2 in South Africa making 600hp and 1000Nm+, running on watermeth and Nitrous.
Love turbo diesel schemes
I´m driving one of these and it´s great.
Mostly driving calm.
But when i need ist, the Power is magnicifent.
Would love to see someone build one with no restrictions maybe large single or one large and one medium turbo set up....
Thats what the n57 and m57 lineup is for. Been a few people now making 1200nm and 550+hp
How much co2 is generated in production , packaging , and transportation of Co2 combating tech ?
Somebody has to manufacture the DEF liquid, put it in a plastic container, then a cardboard box, and transport it to the store.
Now multiply that by all the other components.
Mercedes seems to have done better with a single turbo hybrid diesel from the cls450
i think an good comparison is the eaa288 2.o bitdi . 240hp 500nm of torque and a good fuel milage of 6 liter in a station wagon with a 7 spd dsg and 1650kg weight
I wonder what it would be like for marine applications. How well it would be for a 400 HP outboard diesel
That 750d has the same ZF trans as a dodge demon, no? Shouldn’t it handle torque just fine?
G05 X5 M50d owner - god, I love this quad turbo engine. Instant power and so much torque! A rare machine now
At 100tkm prepare for Rod bearing change!! Then around 130-150tkm small turbos… then at 170tkm transfercase will go.. not talking about the front weak ass driveshafts…
@@bmwsincekid What a nonsens predictions. I have one, 140.000 km, tuned to 480 HP / 870 NM. No issues whatsoever. Try to google for issues on this engine/car, you find none. Rock solid and stable.
@@Scott-mv1fk yah nonsense 👍🏼
tbh, bmw i6 diesels have the best turbo transience of any boosted motor ive ever driven.
With the newer ones, power is near instant and there is borderline no spool time. They feel like low rpm v8's
Germans truly are the kings of Diesel, Rudolf Diesel himself would be proud of this beast.
Delete EGR and this baby would ACE that pesky Euro6 limit and do 50mpg
It's normal that you might consider a 3.0 small....but you forget the OM606 from Mercedes..... easily capable of more than 500 bhp with stock bottom end with some cars reaching close to 700.
1.9 TDI known as the PD130 from VW with not much work close to 300 is possible and with some Engine upgrades upwards of 450 .
I myself have such an engine in a Passat with 330 at 2.3 bar ..... absolute blast to drive!
Big turbo = big turbo lag and no low down torque.
Might be a blast to drive but I rarely pass 2000 RPM in daily driving.
Plus you can't really build those old engines to that kind of power without leaving a disgusting smelling, carcinogenic smoke screen behind you. Not really what I'm looking for in a daily driver.
You know you’re American, when you refer a 3L straight 6 Diesel as small 😂
In Europe people would hate you for driving that thing.
And I love it 😍
Sounds like highly expensive maintenance.
I think you got something wrong with the emissions regulation. It's not correct that they sacrified due to the fact that the engine is emitting more than 95g of CO2 per km. In fact most (larger) engines don't. And it is allowed to produce such engines anyway.
In fact what counts in Europe are the over all emissions of the brands fleet. If your company fails to meet the emission goals then your company has to pay penalties.
So many companies sacrified their larger engines - especially those which sold worst. And those two facts came together for the x50d or the 760i. Both emitted a lot of CO2 AND weren't sold very often. Combined with even stricter upcoming emission standards (Euro 7) that marked the end for this fascinating engine.
Funfact: when I bought my G31 (btw you forgot this model in the lineup ;)) I was struggeling with myself which 6-cylinder diesel to choose. In the end I decided to go for the 530d as the 50d is faster in acceleration and that is about it. This only pro argument for me stood against higher maintanance cost, more parts that could fail, higher buying price and so on.
In simple words 2 small to reduce turbo lag and 2 big for more bhp
tuners like g power or abt always keep their power outputs low for reliability. So normal Tuners push these engines to over 500hp with 1000nm of torque.
n57 got 3 turbos, b57 4 turbos🤩🤩
I own a 2017 BMW 750d xdrive for this engine alone. I freakin' love it.
I believe you can still get them from Alpina because they don’t make a whole lot of cars a year but only in Europe
Sir... That was 5 you put up there😂
please do the triple turbo next, the previous generation
"Just a small 3 litre."
Imagine this engine swapped in BMW 3er and AWD. That would be a killer.
You would think with hydrogen on the brink of being introduced perhaps a separate tank of HHO gas could be injected into the fuel system of this power beast to make it comply with emissions. There are some papers showing hydrogen stratified with diesel fuel making for very minimal emissions.
Other than fuel mileage this overengineered nightmare can't compete with its gas powered sibling
OMG they used Piezoelectric injectors again, like in my N54 335i.Have they not learned their lesson from the late mid 2000s. Interesting engine though im sure the torque is absolutely effortless.
My 335d m57 has 2 tubros, downpipe egr delete and has 800nm and 380hp, i did 4,2 to 100km/h
My G31 M550d WITH EGR and catalytic downpipe BUT with an individual ECU program has 473hp and 850Nm.
I hope I’m going over the 500hp barrier if I remove those “bad” components… 🫣
Having one... and it's great for the Autobahn :D ... and average consumption are 7.6liters per 100km... HOWDY
A chipped N57D30T1 will knock out 420bhp with an intercooler and a egr delete, nevermind downpipe and bigger Turbos/injectors...
And if the weak point torque wise of the package was the ZF 8HP700, why didn't they use the HP900 used by Rolls Royce?
The gearbox can take 1000nm with XHP tune no problem. Might have to change the ATF more often tho.
what about the m57tutop
I hope that this b57 is better than the n57, because n57 have issues with bearings, oil pump and chains, mainly the high hp versions
Another beast, and b57 is the right reason why b58 is so good. If bmw applied the latest iteration of vanos system, b57 would have get near 600bhp reliably
@@victortaveira8271 Diesel engines never uses variable cams lol, M57, N57 or B57 never have variable cams
Im patiently waiting for the n57 video😭😭😭. Heck you can do the predecessor of the b57s. The n57s plz😭
Is it more reliable than the m57?
@@R3YNZ it has issues with broken oilpumps that lead to spun bearings and also suffers from (somewhat rare) timing chain failure. The N57 in the E9x 325d and 330d is the most reliable variant.
I see this and I just imagine a new engine for the next m3/m4 platforms with 4 turbos and 900HP and 3 high pressure fuel pump
i like M57 with bi-turbo and it has higer potencial and less parts to break
I have both f10 with 280kW and g31 with 294kW. F10 very very good. G31 I like more, as it is very very very good. Both 7,3L/100km
2 cylinders octa turbo is the future.
How would the reliability be? It would be a disaster to fix or maintain considering there's 4 turbos. It would be smarter to have what Audi has set up or better yet have 2 electric turbos instead of 4 in a sequential set up for more reliability and lesser complexity for maintainence. That way you have that instant torque without the need of more moving components which will increase the chances of a break down. They could've also done a single turbo and single auxiliary compressor like how Volvo does it or better yet just have the same twin turbo I6 in the 50i series and attach a electric compressor. No more turbo lag but good performance.
it's a bmw,
G power numbers not including any deletes probably
Was 3, now 4, just evolution
If it’s anything like the old BMW M57 diesel it’s a better boat anchor than it is a diesel engine.
Terrible engines in the marine environment. Yanmar used the M57 for their 4/6 BY series.
Wat about relayebility