Brandon Sanderson DESTROYS The Wheel of Time with FACTS and LOGIC!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- This took a LOT longer to edit than I anticipated but we are finally here! Brandon Sanderson has now shared his thoughts on Season 2 of the Wheel of Time so HERE is my supercut off the best moments from his livestream with Daniel Greene and The Dusty Wheel!
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“You could have just given Egwene a sword.” That sums up the largest issue with this show.
Is that a euphemism?
@@chrisf2636 That's potentially a hilarious twisty way of seeing it! You need a phallic item to defeat a Forsaken, rendering the female characters impotent and unable to win.
It always amazes me how we live in an age where I actually groan everytime I hear "insert streaming service name here" is adapting a beloved fantasy book series.
I used to wait and hope my favorite books got adaptations. Now I hope for the opposite...
"i tried so hard, guys" and "I'm sorry," rubs his eyes. Holy shit I can't believe they really screwed up the chance to make this series awesome for Mat. No one is listening Brandon.
My whole reaction to the lack of a turak fight was “oh come on, I’ve been waiting for this moment all season”
Yeah but Rafe is trying to oneup Rian Johnson in the subverting expectations department. Subverting expectations is the highest form of art, don't you know? Peter Jackson should have killed off Frodo and gave the Ring to Rosie who would then become the Queen of Middle Earth after she makes Sauron tell her that she is so stunning, so brave.
Season? I've been waiting 30 years!
Really? I did not. Rand spent no time training with the sword to do that, apart from the old man in the asylum, so Turak is fine.
Logain gave more training in saidin than Lan in swords, and that leads into Rand's other trainer that is going to come,. Which is why he did not face off against Ishamael in that finale.
Man I have so much respect for Brandon. He really tried to do justice to the books and he isn't afraid to openly voice his criticism. But I don't understand Amazon. Why would you bring him on as a consultant in the first place if you think you know better and want to do your own thing... and he is the next best thing to the original author, what makes you think you can do a better job? So stupid that it hurts. At this point I would just love nothing more then for Amazon to stop this whole TV show disaster that they're doing before they ruin any more beloved franchises. Such a shame...
Makes you wonder why mom is fighting them on Stargate now
Why bring him on as a consultant if they're not gonna listen? Simple, so they can use his name to bring in book fans while keeping to their fanfic.
purposeful subversion of western art
@@BlissfullWulf The first season ruined any book fan's perception on wanting to watch this trash. I mean the first 2 episodes of S1 do that.
And sanderson in the full showing of this said it was going to be the last time we see his name in association with WoT TV series, so I'm assuming he refused to "consult" anymore since they never actually listened.
Frankly, it was when they released the winespring inn scene, with the cheesy intro of Lan and Moiraine that I just said "well, this is going to be shit".
I mean, they had a whole season to choose from to release as a teaser, and that is the scene they chose ? THAT was the best they could show us ? Well, that tells you everything.
Then it took me a whole few seconds of the starting scenes of ep1 to see that they had butchered everything. Had it not been for my girlfriend wanting to at least watch the 3 episodes that had been released together, I would have quit then and there. "Nobody knows if the dragon is going to be a man or a woman"... Well, clearly, they didn't understand the first thing about the books, and care for nothing about coherence or themes. Instead, they are going to push some modern feminist version of "women can do it too". All of it right there, in one of the first few sentences uttered. The root of all their failures displayed for all to see. "We will sacrifice good storytelling on the altar of modern politics".
I can imagine the show runner asking Sanderson if he can adapt Mistborn next and getting laughed at
I think that would be a hard pass for Brandon. As should any inquiries from Benioff and/or Weiss.
I think he's eager to have it adopted, but he would demand creative control as well.
I don't think Brandon even gave him permission for wheel of time it was probably Harriet
If it's a situation like with Netflix and Eichiro Oda for one piece, then I don't think it'd be bad
It is baffling to me that they had the content from two books to draw from for this season and they adapted 5% of the content and filled it with Moraine's shoehorned drama. The changes they made to every single character arc in this show makes no sense, and I'm glad that 2/3 of this watch party discussion agrees.
Brandon Sanderson is spot-on. There are a few youtubers with a similar in-depth analysis of the abysmal writing and poor execution of the show, e. g. "The Sword and the Pen Reflections" and "Amy Stewart".
I hate what Judkins did to one of my favorite fantasy series.
@Technically Mexican - this was really well cut and fun to watch. 🙂
Originally I thought Brandon was all on board with the many many changes but this video has restored my respect Brando Sando
There was a non-disparagement clause involved with Season 1. Daniel Greene had the same thing, which he mentioned in his Rings of Power review
@@TechnicallyMexican
Makes sense! Those rat bastards.
They don’t even have to speak out, the content speaks for itself
@@TechnicallyMexican it's weird you say that because he has a video on his YT channel where he states there was no such clause for S1.
@@eggwaffle right, that was his story until he slipped up and revealed he had been lying
You know the dusty wheel is regretting watching this with Brandon. You can see it on his face. I love the obvious discomfort that he shows here.
dusty wheel is woke first and book fan fourth or fifth on the list. Daniel Greene is wearing a bisexual shirt, so he is woke first as well.
@@jonahdav9589at least Daniel can recognize bad writing. i was starting to wonder til this stream, tho..
@@jonahdav9589 Dude, listen. I agree with you. I read the books and goddamn it, does the show suck. But you have to understand that the show doesn't suck "because it's woke". The show sucks because the writers are bad/or they don't care.
Tell me one scene in this finale or anything about Brandon's complains that have anything to do with "being woke"?
@@mixed6365 sure, challenge accepted:
Egwene saving herself without help.
Egweine saving Rand and fighting Ishamael.
Perrin not having arc.
Moraine destroying all the ships.
Playing fast and loose with their own rules.
And lots of others.
Now, this issue is that you will say all of those are due to poor writing, not wokeness. However, the question is why is the writing bad in a particular way. Is it because of lack of education or experience, lack of understanding of the source material, inability to collaborate well with multiple writers, or (woke) ideology?
Most of the issues originate from the need to follow of the “unwritten rules of wokeness”.
Women don’t need help, they can’t have a white man save them or do anything that they can’t do themselves but better, people are good the way they and therefore don’t need to change and therefore don’t get a character arc (ie you can’t have a story about a fat person that decides to be a great protector hero so they employ discipline and character growth to change who they are and forge their body into one suited for the task, instead they realize that their power lies in accepting the greatness of their greatness and making sure everyone else around them does as well), forced diversity which destroys the rich culture of the setting (not a complaint I heard from BS in this video but one many fans had), also woke ideology is not rooting in truth and facts but rather narrative and feelings, so whatever is convenient at the time is acceptable, leading to playing fast and loose with their own rules.
Does that answer your question?
@@bigd5773 Honestly? No, not really. I'll actually agree with you on the whole Egwene thing, so there, at least you have a point about that plot line. But all other examples you have are you wanting to make It about "woke culture" (I actually laughed at "Perrin not havin am arc", like, how is THAT mess related at ALL with wokeness?)
The fact you kmew I was gonna say most of those things aren't a "woke writing" problem shows that you recognize deep Down that you have to make some mental gymnastics to make that connection. Replace Egwene or Moiraine with white male characters and you'll see that their poor arcs and inconsistencies stil hold up, so would that still be woke? Once again, just to be clear. I am not defending the show and the moments and arcs you mentioned bug me just as much. Also, I'm not saying that the producers, cast dorectiors or whatever aren't "woke people". Of course they are, Rafe himself has a husband, but that in of itself isn't the problem. Incompetent writing is.
It's hard to remember that Wheel of Time was so popular that there are people who didn't actually like it who can call themselves "superfans."
If you need to "fix" the books problems you are not a fan
@@TechnicallyMexican Imagine not understanding quest fantasy 😆
@@TechnicallyMexican- The books aren’t perfect, but that’s also apart of the charm.
@@TechnicallyMexican not true. The villains are awesome in the show.
@@GunnerstahlY LOL no, but I'm glad you enjoyed them, I can't take that away from you.
Matt is so down bad! The biggest show apologist I've seen.
Not included in this video, but Brandon straight up told him to his face that he is blind to flaws cause he wants so badly to like the show.
@@TechnicallyMexican what point in the stream was that? Only watched the end discussion
It’s impossible for someone who read the books, and understood lore, the history, the magic system ,who really loved the story told in the books to enjoy this tv series.
I can’t do it; and furthermore I can’t believe that the show runners actually read and loved those books either!
I think Rafe, at one point, liked the books if he read them in his youth. But the WOKE mind virus destroys everything it touches. It falls apart when confronted with reality and logic. So they, by necessity, have to systematically change reality around them. That's why everything needs to be "fixed", why everything is problematic, and why Comedy is dead, Because what they fear MOST is a mirror. They paint over every reflective surface.
Oh, don't be like that! They did read it and loved it, and now they are doing their fanfic of the books. Watch it like that and you'll be able to enjoy the show. I swear on the Oath Rod, because it's exactly what I am doing. ;D
@@AnaElglin Just cover your eyes and ears and then forget everything you loved about the books and THEN you should be able to enjoy the show!
@@TechnicallyMexicanI remember reading about someone asking Rafe why he changed the books to make even the girls to possibly be the dragon and why he takes some of the moments that belong to the boys and gives them to the girls and his answer was.... BECAUSE I'M A FEMINIST!!!! That tells you everything you need to know.
@@TechnicallyMexican sorry but I don't agree with the whole woke mind stuff. Woke is only used as a term nowadays about things people don't like, there will be one simple change and people will just call it woke because the media has fed them that woke=bad even though it isn't. It can be bad yes, but not always......
This was really funny and vastly improved by the clips and editing. Lol'ed several times.
"I tried guys" - Brandon Sanderson
😂❤😂
The full stream is worth watching. I tried to fit in all the interesting bits here though
@@TechnicallyMexican It was, I watched it live. You covered all the important beats and made it a ton of fun with the meme. Bravo.
Had a great time watching this. Never read WoT so I don't get everything but just seeing the pain and intensity in Brandon's voice informs me of so much. I'm actually kind of shocked Brandon would do something like this as I thought he'd always keep his mouth shut rather than be vocal about things he didn't agree with to be polite.
As for the editing I thought this was a step up. "Shill begone" had me laughing out loud. If I could offer critique I might cut back a bit on all the clips but not by much. This is easily your best editing job I've seen. Thanks for the shot of hope.
Yeah, the clips are a hard balance. The more I use the safer I am against copyright strikes.
you should have seen him during season 1. seemed like he was quite determined to not burn his relationships with hollywood. i guess he's choosing to hitch his bets on a different kind of relationship now. i don't care for sanderson.
I really think Brandon was gonna just hold his peace about the show, but the terrible writing in it just pushed him over the edge.
@@uglystupidloser He's trying to get shows/movies for his own books made. My guess is he's a) made enough money now that he doesn't need a tv/movie deal for generational wealth, b) is big enough now that he thinks he might be able to get financial backing for a live action treatment on his own, and c) has now seen how the sausage gets made from the inside and has lost all hope that this cabal is capable of producing a treatment of his material that isn't a grotesque abomination. It's also worth noting that he's excessively nice in the way some religious people are and always insists on ascribing the best of intentions to everyone (cf the hit piece on him and his reaction). Also that he's quite "progressive" himself and, ironically, his material is probably the most woke-friendly source material there is in the corpus of fantasy without being purpose-written by a card-carrying ideologue (what I've read of it anyway). He's actually nearly proof that you can be woke and produce good (as in engaging) fantasy at the same time.
The Dusty Wheel got those amazon tinted glasses on
Rafe hates the source material. Wish Brandon had fought harder and taken it to social media to rally his fans it may have helped. Rife Rafe! Cancel this darkfiend telling.
The problem is Brandon is such a nice guy he only sees it as inexperience rather than the maliciousness we all know it to be
@@TechnicallyMexican Your video will be my go to response to all the shills. It is the 1990s Buffy stabbing a stake in Rafe and the other marxist showrunners darkfiend hearts.
He was probably under an NDA, since he had access to the scripts.
great video! Brandon snickering as Daniel Green realizes what's happening with the dagger and stick got me pretty good
Lightsaber Ashandarei BABY!
what i love, Brandon was personally asked to finish the series. and was adamant on keeping true to everything before. he was trusted with simply finishing a vision he knew wasnt his. and simply wanted to do it justice after the passing of one of his writing heros.... then there's amazon... but we all gotta remember 2 terrible( but hillarious) lord of the rings movies were made 30 years before peter jackson did it right
Brandon told his agent NOT to negotiate a price either. He said, just say yes to whatever they offer.
Thank you for this version! Prophets and the Whitecloaks streams were great but you could not hear Sanderson and crew talking, so this is great.
Thank you I had to do a lot of leveling to get make sure the audio was always audible
It wasn't just chase the horn! It was also chase the dagger so Mat doesn't die. I'll defend The Great Hunt. Shienarans rule.
the fire salamander always makes me laugh. That's not a dragon. At worst a gecko, at best, a lizard.
I have zero reference for WOT( I saw the first episode and thought it was a bad CW fantasy series and didn't continue) but Brandon Sanderson I'm familiar with as I'm a pretty big fan of his work, notably Mistborn and Stormlight. When Brandon says something doesn't work, I usually would be one to listen, considering his experience. And oh yeah; this guy FINISHED the WOT. An incredible honor he got and from what I heard; he did a good job, resolving as many plot, character elements as possible. So really if anything, Brandon is being nice but his criticisms should have been eye-opening for Rafe and everyone involved.
Especially when you contrast that with One Piece live action where everyone involved loved and respected the original material and Oda himself acted like a "guard dog" to make sure it went well.
Rafe was never looking for Brandon's input. The only reason he was involved was so that they could attach his name to the project and give it some validity
Sanderson was also a HUGE WoT Book fan, and RJ is essentially why he realized he wanted to write his own stories and decided to change paths in college, before he ever got the opportunity offered to him.
Short of Harriet herself, Sanderson is literally the best person to be part of the consultation for this show (if being listened to).
What Rafe has done to this series is a Travesty worse than the last season of GoT.
I would pay actually money, and commit war crimes for the chance to mst3k this whole series with Sanderson. He is living every fan boys dreams and did an amazing job at it. He KNOWS this story inside out, and to know he was ignored makes me hate these show runners all the more
I’ve been so busy with work since the show ended and had a bunch of vids regarding the “Sanderson Controversy” in my watch later without any context on what the issue was. This vid is the first I saw on the topic and I am speechless, I never really expected Sanderson to be this blunt but it is such a shitshow. Great job with the editing, this was great. That Dusty Wheel shill is…god help us….
I'm glad it entertained you!
What drove me nuts is the guy in the middle claims to be a fan of the book but he trashes it the whole time! He also says the shows does many things better than
It's worse... That is Matt Hatch and he was actually honored with a cameo character NAMED AFTER HIM in the books, and he now turns around to disrespect the books like this.
Brandon clearly just plain doesn't get that he's talking to people who are battling with their own intergrity, and their need to shill for cooperate overlords.
Brandon is too nice to see that the arguments are not being made in good faith. He attributes to inexperience what we can all clearly see is malice and hatred for the source material.
Greene (the young guy) loves the books. But he's also clearly a social media influencer who's scared of losing his meal ticket.
@@TechnicallyMexican It fits with his response to that magazine hit piece. He threw away the Occam's razor conclusion that the author was just a malicious, envious piece of sh-t in that case too. I can't figure out if this "blessed fool" (nice to the point of incredibly naive) religious thing is his real personality or a well-rehearsed shtick (I don't understand how he writes the villains he does if he doesn't understand malice). It's annoying and heartwarming at the same time. Probably annoys me because I'm just a cynic beaten down by a rotten world and wish I could exist as he does, ascribing the best intentions to everyone.
I love the Garth Marenghi clips you used!
Thank the Maker for TH-cam.
When my favorite source material is transformed into garbage, I don't have to actually watch it happen.
Instead I get the immense pleasure of seeing fellow fans tear it to pieces FOR ME!😅
The middle dude is so annoying lmao. That's why we should stay away from drugs people, you end up with 1 working brain cell.
Matt Hatch of The Dusty Wheel. He has a character named after HIM in the books. But he's so blind by wokeness, he's willing to sell his birthright for a mess of pottage...
This was pretty brilliant. I laughed out loud at the Galaxy Quest clip "Brandon... garbage!"
Is there an unedited version. The added in reaction clips are over the top for me
The full reaction is on Brandon's channel & The Dusty Wheel's, but it's like a 2 hour stream. This is a supercut.
@@TechnicallyMexican thanks
Brandon be careful you're going to make another man cry in your movie theater XD
Excellent editing! Makes this so much more fun. Also Brandon Sanderson is a huge boss for doing this. Matt from the Dusty Wheel is the biggest WoT shill on the planet.
Thank you, it's a lot of work
"You get nothing!!!" Wish that were the case. Instead, we got a whole lot of crap. What a goofy show.
This was awesome and their reactions and critiques pretty much sum up the issues with this adaptation that many of us have. For those that are really enjoying the TV version I'd say one, for you, and two wait until Amazon finishes the whole story, so you have a chance to enjoy the story they are presenting, and then go and read the books to get the original story if you're a reader.
I didn’t have the time to watch this entire stream, though I really wanted to so I’m glad you did a mashup of it… I’m blown away at how much of a shill The dusty wheel is. He’s a Rafe Judkins groupie.
It's pretty embarasing
I can't imagine the position Sanderson is in here. To have been trusted with finishing the series off so well, and then having to see this happen. At least I was able to shut it off and walk away.
Is there a version without all the edits? I want to hear what Brandon has to say, but I can't finish this
It's 2 hours long and doesn't have the video overlay I added but yes:
th-cam.com/users/liveu7d8DYs7G2g?feature=shared
I have to include all the edits so Amazon doesn't strike my channel for 2 months AGAIN.
@@TechnicallyMexican Ah, makes sense. I'll watch the full version. I am glad people are able to get enjoyment out of the edits even when I can't.
This is, AMAZING. Bloody hats off MexMan
Rafe Judkins is clueless and a bad writer. Brandon Sanderson explains it quite clearly - Bad or no archs, no themes, and everything deep in the books are either not included, misunderstood or changed for what the producers thinks looks cool. I really, really hope someone important at Amazon Prime sees this and takes note.
They already rewarded him with ANOTHER show. He's doing God of War now too
If a show on Amazon/Netflix/Disney adapts a show and it is to the source material, it is an accident. They are actively in this for one real purpose, 1984 wrongthink and cultural replacement.
@@TechnicallyMexican I guess that seems like something that might be more his speed.
@@TechnicallyMexican We can always hope Prime will sideline or even fire him after this disaster.
@@TechnicallyMexican Maybe Kratos will be a woman in this adaptation? Since apparently a man can't be the main character of a series he directs. And the moment she gets her powers she'll be able to put the entire pantheon on their knees without ever training a day in her life and everyone will kowtow to her and venerate her for doing a glitched any% speedrun of the game by exploiting that one bug that gets you from the beginning to the credits like the PC bug in Pokemon Red and Blue...
This was the most cathartic stream of the last few years, and this was a truly outstanding highlight edit. Excellent work, yo.
Shoutout to everyone for making it happen!
The Wheel of Time deserves better, and all the criticisms of the show comes from the hope of improvement. And finally hearing a bit of criticism from all three (four?) of these gentlemen is well overdue.
For my main criticism, whatever complaint for season length falls flat when compared to the ratio of adapted book material vs "originsl material", i'll call it.
Filling gaps is one thing, but you shouldn't build a bridge out of mortar.
9:04
Slight correction to Brandon here, (and potential early book SPOILERS, while trying to keep em vague)
Rand had *two of the best swordsmen in the world train him at this point in the series. Also, the Flame and the Void was perhaps more important than even the Forms taught by Lan. Then again, why even is a Heronmark blade important, anyway..?
Thanks again for this video, yo!
Can't bring myself to even hate watch this series.
I feel it my duty to watch. Someone has to hold them accountable.
@@TechnicallyMexican Thanks for taking one for the team :0)
The WoT Series is EPIC imho. I loved those books and still do. The adaptation failed because they did not even remotely pay attention to the source material. It has always been my hope that the Jordan Estate would have agreed to an Animated adaptation. I know, not very popular...but they could have done a lot more for a lot less and followed the Books.
I love animation, so I would have been fine with it. Unfortunately, DEI has been increasing the cost of animation for years. It can be just as expensive now
@@TechnicallyMexican Samurai Jack animation would have been epic for me...as long as the source material was honored.
I have high hopes that this won't go beyond a Season 4 before getting dropped due to viewers simply losing interest because so much of it makes no sense, or is just outright boring, or just adds nothing to the story.
Season 3 is in production right now but that was approved at the same time as S1. After season 2, Amazon has been dead silent on S4 renewal despite fans BEGGING for an announcement. You can bet they are disappointed with nunbers and are waiting to see how S3 pans out before renewing again. S3 could be the LAST
@@TechnicallyMexicanS3 SHOULD be last more like. Heck, should never have gotten a season 1 in the first place with such writers. Wish the WoT series was adapted in the early 2000s around LOTR time as well as take a note or two from Peter Jackson.
Brandon Sanderson is a legend.
And this is him trying to be NICE to the show so he doesn't offend anybody.
@@TechnicallyMexican really loved this video. It was so refreshing to see Sanderson finally be honest about what he clearly understands to be a failed adaptation. I guess he isnt as concerned with Amazon Prime taking the reins with Stormlight anymore after seeing the type of dross they are prepared to release. Thanks for putting this together.
I hate what theyve done to this show. 😔😔😔
My favorite living author finally sits down and offers his honest opinion on the lazy and misguided adaptation of my favorite book series.
I think he did anyway. Hard to tell, because of the jagged and jarring video drops every ten seconds. What was he just saying ? I forget. Because now there's a kitten playing piano!
#fanditthis !
I've been a huge fan of Neablis and Daniel for years. So i say this with love; You've got Sanderson in your studio. Brandlon Effing Sanderson! Let him talk !
Time well spent.
first time i see one of your videoes, I love the occasional memes but whoa having it every 3-4 sec is so annoying, let the man talk.
It's the only way to keep it fair use man. I literally just had my channel get a false Copyright stike from Amazon that delisted my channel for 2 months for a similar video. If you wanna watch him talk, the full video is on Brandon's channel.
It was really cool to watch the commentary by Brandon, Daniel and that one guy with the below 80 IQ.
This is absolutely brilliant, thank you for these.
Thank YOU for watching. They take forever to make, so I'm glad they are appreciated. There's LOTs more on the Devoid of Logic playlist
Now I kinda wish I would have watched the video. I didn't think Brandon was going to be that vocal.
They ruined it, the books are a thousand times better. They took a woke view on it and made a terrible television show. I tried watching it and only made it halfway through the first episode and I stopped watching.
The mind virus destroys everything it touches
Eh wouldn't give woke stuff the blame, because it isn't.
A lot of people still liked the show and so it succeeded in that regard. Also a lot of stuff in the books themselves can also be called woke but that only reveals that people nowadays just call everything woke that they don't like and that is just sad......
Woke is just about accepting people, but it looks like people rather go back to the good old days where they can be racist, sexist and homophobic without a worry in the world, just stomping those "humans" down......
Very, very sad this world has become
@@magnus5747 Amazing, everything you just said is wrong. I have been fighting against racism my entire life, but get called racist for looking beyond the color of a persons skin. The left ONLY cares about skin color, the Democrat party literally founded the KKK. Planned parenthood was created as a eugenics experiment. But go on and keep calling US racist, sexist and homophobic. Your insults have lost all meaning.
@@TechnicallyMexican The Democrats did found the KKK, but that does not excuse the simple fact that the KKK now is in the Republican Party, which is championing all the bad stuff the Forsaken portray in the books.
The OP is not wrong in the post. Not liking woke because it is the in thing these days is risking crossing lines that cannot be undone.
For the show, I am enjoying it, and I have reread the books plenty of times. I appreciate that the books events cannot be showed exactly on screen as they occurred, like the Falme battle.
I even really like the dragon, which is pretty much the banner dragon from the books in fire form. Which explains Aviendha's comment, since she should recognise the form.
yup after watching the first 7 ep of s1 yup the characters are in it really summed up my experience as a book fan
In name only
@@TechnicallyMexican Exactly on the bright side it did gave me an urge to re read the first book again but yea I'm never giving this show a 2nd chance. Id check out a different adaptation in the future if some other studio wants to adapt WoT hopefully with a dedicated vision of being as faithful to the source material's spirit story and characters of RJ as well Word of The Rings movie Trilogy tried to be for Tolkin.
Incredible work Technically Mexican. Keep it up.
Wooooow, what a waste having The Dusty Wheel be a part of this.... shameful
The Zoomer style quick cut memes detract from the commentary.
The full livestream is linked in the description.
Enjoy the show!
Fantastic editing and man some of your clip pulls are wonderfully obscure 🤩
At first I was kind of dreading the thought of having to see clips every ten seconds throughout, but damnit you chose funny clips. And the sarcasm was off the charts 😄, Kudos.
Some people don't like them, but it's how I make the video fair use. I'm glad you enjoyed the show.
This was awesome to watch thank you, also
Would anybody else like to see the writers and creators of the animated series the last arabender do an honest anamayed adaptation of the wheel at time?
They went woke with Korra too though, so that's a no for me. I don't k ow who I'd trust it with if I was in charge.
@TechnicallyMexican o well that's a bummer.
Still I think a well done animated series would be worth while
I love this video so much.
I was doing fine until "I HATED JIM!" broke me.
I love that Brandon uses his real name too, it shows how much he cared about him
Rand facing Turak is _THE ONLY_ time the Heron shows up on the handle of his sword. Every other scene with the sword in both season one and two, it's on the ricasso. He even has to stupidly _hold the blade,_ (laughably), in the finale fight, (if you can call it that), with Ishamael, in order have the Heron branded on his palm. Which means nothing in the show yet, just like the Horn of Bloody Valere meant nothing for it's reveal in EP08 of last season. And the ironically _STUPID_ thing with throwing the Heron on the handle so Turak can see it, is that it amounts to _NOTHING!!!!!_ Why have Turak notice it if they're not going to actually have a sword fight?!?!?! Rafe couldn't write anything good even if his life depended on it.
Watching this on Dusty Wheel's channel I have to say I lost respect for Matt, (The Innkeeper), as he, in opposition to Sanderson himself, argued for the show more often than not.
Perrin shouting to Mat that he has to get the Horn to Rand made one thing glaringly obvious to me, and that's the fact that nowhere in this episode, or a previous episode, do we learn that Perrin or Mat are aware Rand is in Falme. They had no idea he was there.
Elayne be like, "I used to be an adventurer like you, until I took an arrow in the knee".........
Well put together, @Technically Mexican. "YOU GET...NOTHING!!!"
"is he making ashandarai??" Brandon: " yes 😭😩"
Dude in the middle trying to justify this show is actually so fucking annoying. You can like it while still pointing out it's faults (to each their own if you somehow like this show), but to just completely SHILL over it, is wild af.
And I can see why Sanderson in the original video said it was gonna be the last time you see his name pop up now. What is the point of being a consultant for a show if they NEVER listen to what you say and continually butcher the material? lmao.
I didn't read the books and even I felt surprised that it wasn't Nyneave who healed Rand - or anyone in this episode for that matter.
I also didn't feel like the horn was set up well enough.
I was sad when Hopper died, but maybe more because I love animals and less because of the relationship he had with Perrin. I honestly thought he wouldn't die because the relationship didn't feel like it had developed enough. It mostly consisted of Perrin telling Hopper to "stay", when he went somehwere.
I personally didn't mind Egwane freeing herself because they made her arc this season about "will she break or won't she?" and to that it fits. Additionally, she started off feeling inferior to Nyneave and could now kinda prove just how strong she is.
Nonetheless, it was weird how she could hold of Ishamael. It wasn't very believable that he couldn't do anything to get around that shield, not based on how he and Lanfear were set up.
Overall I do agree that this finale didn't really land for me. There were many episodes this season which I enjoyed far more. And it seems pretty obvious that they do need more episodes, eight just isn't enough.
Rightfully so considering the show showed Nynaeve do some world (and lore) breaking healing in S1, just to have her do absolutely shit all.
Something I definitely would’ve watched all the way through except you sprinkled in memes every two freaking seconds
It's called fair-use, I've linked the full livestream in the description. You are free to watch that.
@@TechnicallyMexicanactually it’s called I don’t believe my content is good enough to stand on its own without a loud meme cut ever 2 seconds
@@timm8860 But, it's NOT my content... It was a livestream from Brandon Sanderson and The Dusty Wheel. My ONLY contribution is the MEMES... Posting ANYTHING else would just be straight up stealing, and I've already had Amazon Prime demonetize my entire channel for 2 months over FALSE copyright claims for my WOT Season 2 Videos. The memes are what make it fair use and legally allows me to post this. This is exactly why I linked to the FULL LIVESTREAM, in case people wanted to watch that instead.
Brandon Sanderson is right 100%
Thanks for sharing this clip with us. If I might give this advice, maybe you should cut back on your clips inserts quite a bit. You seem to want to punctuate every sentence from the original clip with your own inserts, and it distracts from what Brandon and company are saying. Let them have 15 sec of discussion or so and then punctuate it with a relevant clip. Also, we don't need the oldschool fuzzy channel transition. It cuts the flow of the discussion even more. Good luck with finding a better balance with you inserts!
It's an attempt to prevent copyright strikes through a fair use defence, which requires commentary but, in practice, requires little enough of the content to be from the original and for the clips to be short.
I just started reading the books and can see that this series adaptation is lacking good writing.
Came for the edits. Stayed for the edits. Especially the jesus christ Superstar clip.
A couple Jesus Christ Superstar clips also made it into my edit for Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Hell yes. Hahahah!
MAGNIFICENT! COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF. Oh,, wait, I DID!!
Anybody have a video of this WITHOUT a cut to another show/movie every 3 seconds? freaking overkill....
to be fair, as i continued watching, some of it was funny. but still a little TOO much cutting around.
The full video is on both Brandon Sanderson's channel and The Dusty Wheel. I have to insert clips to ensure fair use, otherwise it would just be stealing.
Excellantly done. Enjoyed this very much.
Has Daniel Greene ever said sorry for throwing half the fanbase under the bus in season 1. Then when people criticised him he accused them of harassment. Amazon manipulated him a bunch of other book tubers into softening their opinions when they essentially gave them a free vacation at the opening,
He never apologized no, but he accidentally let it slip in his video, talking about Ring of Power season 1 that he was under a NON-disparagement clause for Wheel of Time.
@@TechnicallyMexican lol, TY that clears that up a lot. Got to love the back stabbers around us these days
Daniel Green is the reason I read the Wheel of Time. I used to watch all his videos.
@@TechnicallyMexican I had read them before knowing anything about him, but I was blown away at how quickly he flipped. He still throws most the fanbase under the bus over his politics. But that goes into outright culture war silliness, though I guess he is proof we never gatekept people out of any of the franchises the ideologues destroyed. Sorry for the tangent lol
@@gups4963 about a year ago in one of his fantasy news updates he told all Christians to F-off and said he didn't want them as fan/viewers... so yeah, I did what he said and stopped watching.
i love brando sando so much he gets it
For all the issues I have with WoT (like it clearly being written with a 80s male PoV on women rather than someone who treats everyone as equals, like the WTF chivalry from men to women in a world where the women are the ones with all the power and infantilizing men), this show is clearly a thousand times worse than the source material it completely butchers at every turn.
Rand having to deal with becoming a channeller and slowly going mad? Nope. Mat doing Mat things? Sure, treated like the rogue in that terrible DnD movie from the 90s/early 2000s. Perrin? Well, even in the books he didn't have much to do with the plot but here he might as well not exist at all rather than be butchered (just cut him from the story, you don't lose much since Egwene doesn't need him to protect her anyway, she could have won against the crows by looking at them funny!). Nynaeve? Is she even supposed to do anything in the show? Because she looks like she could become a non channelling warder at this point... Egwene? She gets the level of power Rand needs an angreal to perform at in the early books, she's barely trained but beats a Forsaken! Rand in the books barely works already and he's like 4x more powerful than her because he's born the most powerful channeller since the Wheel needs its' hero to save the world from the DO and is obsessed with giving him all these responsibilities and making him mad in ten different ways. But Egwene here gets to be Dragon levels of powerful and reality warping Ta'veren with none of the downsides.
I think the any% speedrun analogy I made in another comment is very valid here, someone hacked Egwene's script and used a glitch to give her Callindor's passive effect as a permanent boost to her power (and to her ego...ene) from the beginning for her to do rand's job in his stead and since she's a woman she won't have any opposition from the White Tower like Rand would, everyone will kiss her ass and she will put a damane collar onto the Dark One who decides to take a physical form just for her to do so.
Really, it's like they took a look at Egwene being the SPOILER amyrlin because Aes Sedai thought she'd be a good puppet to get Rand under control SPOILER END and decided to just go with Egwene being uber powerful and always right (without ever being proven wrong) from the very beginning, without any character development for her, she never struggles, she breaks the rules of the a'dam because it looks cool for 2 seconds instead of getting saved to get her revenge and push Rand against the Seanchan Empire, if they wanted to rewrite that, and her taking part in its' annihilation (wish fulfillment fanfiction, but at least it follows the rules of the universe, and the Seanchan were better villains than the actual villains).
Hell this show's version of Egwene looks like AoL Lanfear get petty revenge on the world for refusing to give her a 3rd name and causing the end of the world, here Egwene wants revenge on the world and decides to steal Rand's role in the story, to be more powerful than him out of nowhere and to be the one beating the bad guys without much training. Seems like she stole her 3 male friends' Ta'veren traits.
I promise I'll read this later, but DANG, I gotta go home and grab my reading glasses and a couple Red Bull first to get through this TOMB. LOL!
I have to admit, it felt really good to see some of my own concerns and complaints about the show mirrored almost exactly by Brandon Sanderson. I am so tired of the unearned Girl Power BS in modern media. I absolutely despised the first scene in season 1 episode 1 where Nynaeve pushes Egwene into the river. It just felt so out of character for Nynaeve to do something like that. I felt Season 2 redeemed a lot of where Season 1 went wrong, and was more than satisfied with the events of season 2, up until episode 8. Then it completely backslid to the garbage that had been season 1.
I like what Sanderson said, about the overarching narrative of Wheel of Time. "You can't do it alone." It would be nice if the show writers would acknowledge that. Each character has their own theme, their own story arc, and own personalities and methods to go with it. I LOVE Mat in season 2. It felt like the Mat from the books.
This show isn't its own thing. It is a television adaptation of the Wheel of Time novels. That's how it was marketed, that's how it was sold, and that's why people tuned in. To adapt it so poorly that it isn't even the same story anymore shouldn't be given a pass. It gives the talentless hacks that made this show and their ilk license to keep doing the same thing in the future. It's time to stop sugar-coating it. People are pissed that the properties they love are being systematically re-written, ripped-off, or just plain retconned into worse versions of their former selves, all for the sake of a few dollars and some Hollywood producer's already overinflated ego. I'm glad videos like this - voicing displeasure with such flagrant abuses of beloved stories - are becoming more commonplace, but I think this was still too polite for what this garbage deserves. I think people should stop making excuses for this stuff, leave honest feedback, and above all else, stop spending their hard earned money and limited time on products that don't deliver what they promise.
I think I'd have liked this video more with less cuts from other things... just cause the commercials just make it too much. But interesting
That dude in the middle is such a goober.
Ok. I understand that this a fanfiction about WoT, so I was not so upset about all the changes and gaps and twisting of characters. I actually liked the ep, especially when Perrin shows up with Uno's shield to help Egwene block Ishamael's channeling, with all the TR five together. I missed the battle in the sky, though. The thing that really bothered me most was Nynaeve thrusting the dart through Elayne's leg WITHOUT taking out the feathers! Haven't the showrunners never watched a western? Geezzzzz!
With all of the obvious misandry* and deviation from key storylines, it was tough not to be excited about Rand using the one power to wreck high lord Turak..
Can someone elaborate more on the topic, losing once power is a distraction? Why is it not such a good idea ?
It created a stupid "we are mad at each other" plot pine between Lan and Moiraine that is not in the books and ate up precious screentime that should have been used developing the main characters.
Adituonally, it is derivative of similar plot lines that happen later in the books that will now be less effective/repetitive. Lan grieving loss of the bond is now going to be pointless come the events of book 5.
@@TechnicallyMexican I see thank you
@@TechnicallyMexican I can't imagine them doing those events from book 5. I think the Finn are going to be removed completely (they've already found another way to give Mat his weapon) and Lanfear is going to have a redemption arc. They'll create some other contrived drama to keep Moiraine a main character when she should be MIA through the twisted doorway.
@@davekendall5273 OF COURSE they are not going to remove their MAIN Character from the show for 6 seasons, you are absolutely correct.
While i agree this season was boring, the edits are kinda mean to the dude in the middle, poor guy was trying his best to find something to enjoy in the snoozefest.
Wayyy to many random „commentary“ clips in this one. There are a few mildly funny ones but it gets old after like one minute. My advice would be to turn it down a notch next time
Yeah, Matt has a$sonic screw driver
Whoever edited this video needs a raise! 😂
Thank you, it's just me, though. I do everything on the channel. Which is my my videos take so long
why so many annoying and irrelavant clips of other movies are in between?
Fair use. Amazon demonetized my entire channel for 2 months because thy didn't like my criticism of season 2. This is the only way to ensure my channel still exists.
It is so disappointing that we finally get an adaptation of the books and it is being done by people that seemingly lack logic, vision, and talent, but still think they are better writers than the authors that sold millions of each one of these books. Wheel of time is not Game of Thrones and that tone is all wrong for it, it is much closer to Lord of the Rings and the people responsible for this show should have taken a page out of Peter Jackson's book on how to adapt this type of book series to make it entertaining and successful. Hopefully some day someone talented will come along and do a good adaptation of Wheel of time, live action or animated, that will stay true to the books but I am afraid this horrible adaptation may kill any chance of seeing a quality interpretation of the books in the future.
Did the guy in the middle even read the books at all?
He's literally IN the books, Matt Hatch of The Dusty Wheel...
I still think season 2 gets way more shit than it deserves. The story is character driven and the casting is the most important thing to me and the casting is great with the exception of Perrin, who should have an intimidating look and the physicality to back it up. It's a big part of his personality. Lan could be better.
casting A-list actors wouldn't save the bad writing, they have intentionally subverted the core attributes and values of EACH main character! It goes beyond incompetence and into intentional malice. They have made ALL the main characters BAD people. Rand is a cuck who kills low level bullies, Perrin is a cold blooded murderer(not self defense like the books), Matt whose defining characteristic is loyalty has betrayed and left his friends behind at every turn (even making deals with the forsaken, Min is straight up a dark friend now, Egwene is a murderer, Nynaeve is such a bad healer that she pushes the fletching of an arrow through a patients leg, Every single Aies Sedai (including Moiraine) has no problem using the one power as a weapon against people unprovoked. The only morally good character in the show for some reason is LANFEAR?!?!?!?! But yeah, at least the got Rosamund Pike as Moiraine, the casting is just divine...
Good Lord, who's that dude in the middle?
Matt Hatch from The Dusty Wheel. Also Brandon's employee, he helps with his TH-cam channel.
I tried, really tried to watch the first show of season 1. I made it for about 20 minutes before needing to rush to empty the contents of my stomach into the porcelain receptacle. Even watching this vid of you discussing it gives me the dry heaves. I'll stick with the books.
Lol at the Daniel shade
Despite how much I disagree with Brandon, I'm not surprised we agree about this awful show.
I cancelled my Prime Video subscription over this. These guys just couldn't stand the thought of a male lead character. I'm not a person who would usually use this kind of vocabulary, but this is the worst example of liberal wokeness I've ever seen and sadly gives a lot of fuel to those criticising Hollywood for pushing ideology and rewriting history. They just couldn't accept that Robert Jordan's world is a world reflective of our own. They couldn't even follow the base storyline and thought they could do better than one of the most read master pieces ever published. The arrogance! They screwed it up in their quest to push their own agenda and it's deeply upsetting how they betrayed the fans not to mention the author(s). You have one of the authors literally trashing the tv-adaptation. What a disaster!
It just makes me sad. They are some of my favorite books of all time.
I'm trying to rewatch the show now that I've read all books and I just scream at the screen all the time. Lot of it just makes nooooo sense at all hahaha
Also, before I read the books, the show was really confusing and I didn't understand a lot of details. The show doesn't obey their own rules, because they don't exist! the script is a mess from beginning to end. Even for non-readers, it's super confusing
Don't do that to yourself. It's not worth the pain. I still haven't finished my video reviews cause I don't want to rewatch the show in the edit.
I made the mistake of believing Daniel was a shill when the first season was coming out. I have watched probably 90% of Daniel’s videos, and he is many things, but a shill he is not. Where I think he has a big blind spot is on politics. If political changes are made in a show or movie that Daniel agrees with (far leftism), he doesn’t criticize it at all. And a lot of people, but particularly those on the left, have that issue when critiquing art. I am a more conservative person and I hate when people are trying to preach a political message to me that I agree with. Keep politics away from adaptations.
Every single aspect of this show is horrible and I think Daniel is too nice because a lot of the changes are tinged with politics, and so he doesn’t say anything. That said, he DEFINITELY criticizes the show, and has described it as mediocre, which is not what you would hear from a shill. Him not criticizing certain things makes him not totally objective, but it doesn’t make him a shill. He also very openly doesn’t like Amazon as a company.
Matt from the dusty wheel is a MASSIVE wheel of time fan. There are very few that know more than him. But is also unfortunately, a massive shill.
He’s also a big lefty like Daniel, but he lets it permeate every aspect of his mind, whereas Daniel can maintain a pretty respectable level of objectivity on most things. He fawns over everything Amazon and Rafe do. He basically has no real criticisms.
Brando Sando is ALSO a pretty big lib, but he hardly lets it affect him at all in his criticism. The only aspect is that he doesn’t mention the skin colors and look of the cast and how inaccurate they are to the books, but if he said that he’d be canceled, so.
Brandon is also too nice to the show. That’s not at all because he’s a shill, but because of proximity bias. At the end of the video that this video has cut up, he offers many praises for the show, and he did the same for the last season. They weren’t really substantive praises though. His criticisms are far more substantive and core to the actual show. Brandon is an endlessly nice person, and has met with all the creatives and the cast members many times. If you (the reader of this comment) had done the same and had been welcomed with open arms by those people, you would probably be more reticent to publicly attack with brutality.
So Brandon is very nice, but his criticisms are stinging and cut to the core of the project. He is obviously even less nice at the end of season 2 review. He obviously does not like the show. Publicly he gave the show a 5 or 6 out of 10, so in reality he probably thinks it’s a 3 or 4. You can tell how frustrated and angry he is. Him watching this is very similar to me watching WOT or Rings of Power with people who hadn’t yet seen it. Do not mistake what this video is…he is absolutely hate watching the show in this video. He is cringing and apologizing and endlessly criticizing it. He obviously hates the show.
So that was a really long comment, but whatever. That’s my take on how shilly they are. Brandon is nice because he knows the people who made it, but he is not a shill.
Matt is undoubtedly a huge WOT fan but is a simp and a cuck for Amazon and Rafe.
Daniel is politically biased, but not a shill. He knows what he’s talking about with storytelling and criticism.
You are pretty spot on with everything here, but regarding Season 1 Daniel was a literal shill. He was paid by Amazon to hype the show, and it can with a non-disparagement clause. He mentions this in his review of ROP, where he had to consult a lawyer to figure out what he was legally allowed to say. He has since come out with more criticism, but it's a little too late after lying to his fans for so long. He is literally the reason I started reading the books and then stood by and did nothing while they got butchered on screen.
@@TechnicallyMexican yes, Daniel was definitely hyping it up. But in his “retrospective” review of it, he was pretty critical. He obviously wasn’t happy about the demands made by Amazon and openly called them out on it. I think he was happy to support the show because he was invited to the red carpet and everything, but when they tried to control what he was saying, he realized that Amazon Prime is kinda evil. He definitely called them out for it, so I don’t know that I would call it pure shilling or lying to fans.
And I mean, his immediate reaction after finishing the show was a 7/10, which would be considered completely average or perhaps slightly mediocre (if you’re going on an IMDB system of rating, which is what I naturally do). So he wasn’t hyping it to the moon.
Then a month or two later, he dropped it to a 6/10, which is mediocre.
Overall what I’ve got from him is that he’s far too nice about the show, but is not a total sellout, as he gives real and substantive criticisms of the story and characters.
I definitely have to stay away from anything political he does (which is why I don’t follow him on twitter), but overall I’ve really enjoyed his channel. And similarly to you, he is the entire reason I got into WOT and Sanderson and Modern fantasy, while I was an elitist who wouldn’t read anything other than LOTR.
I actually commented on several of his videos on the show that he was selling out and being a total shill, but I have since revised my stance on it.