In the eyes of the NZ public, the 2013 Am. Cup was to Team NZ what the 2007 Rugby World Cup was to the All Blacks - a huge disappointment and an embarrassment. Their subsequent victories in 2017 and 2011, respectively, restored a huge amount of pride and mana in both organisations for having finally put those ghosts to rest.
NEW ZEALAND best sporting country in the world small population with big hearts bravo NZ proud my son born a kiwi best country by miles kalispera from CYPRUS from didithekiwi ALL BLACKS for ever
@@creamcheese7845 I agree with you to a degree but that is not to say people coming to NZ dont bring any talent Edward osei nketia Bj watling Neil Wagner Waisake naholo etc
Shirley Robertson.... the most articulate, intelligent and fair yachting commentator in the world. I hope Shirley is here in Auckland for the whole build up to the next Americas Cup. No disrespect to previous commentators, they have been well informed and very interesting to listen to, but there is something special in her delivery, common sense analysis and ability to impart information easily that makes Shirley the “Go to commentator” in my view. Put Shirley and Jan Shearer together in the commentary box with Peter Lester on the water.... Nirvana!
Foiling was out of the bag for the 2013 cup early. It gave time for competition to catch up. Cyclors come out much later. No time to redesign the other boats. Job done.
@@CoolCoyote yes it is a budget thing but, it does come down to better use of resources that came though NZ being so far from help of big countries. Things could take months to get here if ordered so, a faster more immendiate solution had to be arranged to get us through. The No8 wired culture is something that keeps us at the front of the world.
I had absolutely no doubt Team New Zealand had to get the monkey off their back. We had suffered one of the most humiliating defeats in sporting history, and the country's pride, took a nose dive. At the time I think the New Zealand public almost lost interest, everyone remembered that devastating defeat at the hands of Team Oracle and the pain felt by us all, But what a difference a year makes, and how against all odds they got off the canvas and went back to work, amazing public support started rallying, believe me no one were celebrating until they crossed the line in that final race to reclaim the America's Cup. If there is one thing we know this Cup can drive a nation to utter joy or deep depression.
After the 2013 Americas Cup New Zealand never looked at it as a defeat it was just the spark that light the fire and I knew that the true tragedy for ETNZ and the whole country would have been if to shut up shop we as a country could never let that happen and give up a proud history in sailing.
@@GreigBooth Rubbish. The lay day was scheduled, so it required mutual consent to override that. Oracle did not consent, so it was immaterial whether NZ chose to do so.
When they said NZ were on the outer ,they were not lying , After they went arse over kite ,they asked other teams for a few parts , they all said no except the poms [Bar] Thanks guys , shows money is not everything .
@Despiser Despised Try fielding a team 0f 15 athletes and one oval ball, no pads, no helmets, no ankle stiffeners, 90 minute game, 40 minutes each half, with one half time stoppage of 10 minutes... and then celebrating a rugby world cup win where more than 2 countries show up including the US of A. But you're correct, no sane NZer would play in the NFL.
Lol is that guy serious?? Dude sailing is probably the only world wild sport America plays with the world, other than that you guys play games that no other country is slightly interested in. I’ll give you basketball you guys are the best at that without doubt but that’s it.
A conspiracy theory based on a misunderstanding. The device was the subject of a request for clarification to the measurers long before the contest, and it was ingenious but perfectly legal. The Kiwis could have chosen to implement their own. It did *not* automatically trim the fly height, and if another (undeclared) device had been fitted which did, the measurers would have smoked it (the boats were measured and inspected minutely, before each and every race) and Oracle would have been disqualified.
Greatest Americas Cup story ever! Under-funded, resourceful ingenuity. 2013 was not the greatest sporting come back. The cheating of 2013 was never going to pay off!
The America cup lost its prestige when the Americans decided to held its race in Bermuda. Seriously ask any Americans if they would consider Bermunda as one their own land not! Its should have been held in San Francisco again.
Hey guys great show during the cup. Loved it! Two things I think you glossed over a bit with ETNZ that really helped them win. 1) Onboard software integration to make those small foils work so well. It’s a bit like trying to make the stealth fighter fly. So I don’t think it’s as easy as simply saying wack those foils on LR and they would have won the Cup. There are a lot more nuance and moving parts involved. 2) We never even got close to seeing Te Rehutai’s true potential as all the racing was (in my view) right at the edge of their performance envelope for that set up. I know you can only critique what’s in front of you, but it’s a bit like comparing performance of F1 cars, when one doesn’t get out of 3rd gear.
That loss came down to the one eyed Aussi chief marshal who decided to stop the race 2 minutes b4 team NZ was bout to cross the finish line which would have won us the cup in 2013
Nonsense. The race went over the allowed time. Rules that both teams signed up to at the beginning. Yes NZ was ahead, but that was inconsequential if they hadn't crossed the line before the time limit. The loss came down to many factors but that race absolutely was not one of them. I'm a Kiwi btw.
@@kwerk2011 To be fair, the race committee (under the same rules you refer to) were able to, and should have, moved the marks during the race to make it possible to finish in the allocated time.
well I think as a kiwi we were all very disappointed that the team didn't pull it off at San Fran especially after seemingly having it in the bag at match point with so many races in hand. However I was not aware how much the team suffered from kiwi parochialism. As a kiwi I feel a bit ashamed about that. It is true that nz public is tough on athletes sometimes. However Team New Zealand were not losers. They got an hounorable second with destination.
Fantastic doco and well done. 2021 worked out beautifully too and Team New Zealand have created quite the legacy. Well done guys. So proud 🇳🇿 Enjoy the spoils and the Isle of Wight 😉
Dean Barker is a bad ass. The Kiwis have given the rest of planet earth some bad ass sailors. Give us a bad ass Americas Cup. We have faith in you, we think you can do it.
Sad to see Dalton sell out his principals and shift the hosting from NZ to Spain for 2024, guess national pride doesn't factor into it when there is a cheque on the table.
Massive Kudo'sto Emirates Team New Zealand for a stunning comeback and flawless performance in once again snatching "The Cup" from The U.S.A's grasp. Remarkable to think that a "little" island nation with a population less than the city of Los Angeles, can produce such amazing talent, in lifting The America's Cup for the 3rd(?) time. However to me presonally, I mourn the fact that technology has overtaken the graceful magic of the monohulls. The modern "cats"with the plethora of carbon and foils etc., whilst undoubtedly fast, are perhaps similar to the relationship Formular 1 race cars have to everyday driving, in that perhaps too the modern America's Cup boats, have forsaken the essence of true sailing, on the Altar of Techhnology....?
I hope the America's Cup goes to Italy. We Kiwis (and especially our Government) don't deserve to have it here. The amount of lynching Team NZ and Grant Dalton received from the media & public and the mistreatment from the Government from 2013 up to 2017 was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy undeserved. I'd rather watch Team NZ race where they are happy and comfortable (even if it means overseas) than do it in their own backyard full of backstabbers, tall poppy tire-kickers and ticket clippers.
In the eyes of the NZ public, the 2013 Am. Cup was to Team NZ what the 2007 Rugby World Cup was to the All Blacks - a huge disappointment and an embarrassment. Their subsequent victories in 2017 and 2011, respectively, restored a huge amount of pride and mana in both organisations for having finally put those ghosts to rest.
NZ for such a small country of 4.5 million people they have achieved much that some big countrys havnt bn able to do..lot of heart
NEW ZEALAND best sporting country in the world small population with big hearts bravo NZ proud my son born a kiwi best country by miles kalispera from CYPRUS from didithekiwi ALL BLACKS for ever
Churrr but it does help being surrounded by water lol
Per capita no one comes close to NZ
Scott Hamilton wish that were true. Every year we’re flooded with immigrants.
@@creamcheese7845 I agree with you to a degree but that is not to say people coming to NZ dont bring any talent Edward osei nketia Bj watling Neil Wagner Waisake naholo etc
@@creamcheese7845 Pakeha were once immigrants too.
Even as a "Yank", had to admit seeing the Kiwis come back after such a devastating loss in 2013 was pretty exciting. Way to persevere.
The Americans cheated their way to victory in 2013, fucking shameful
Thanks
Robert Lasher
Please don't mind Bernie is the Boss. He's actually unemployed. I hand him some coins when I leave the supermarket
Bernie is the Boss yes you are.
Loved the doco. Can't wait to see the boats on the water.
Shirley Robertson.... the most articulate, intelligent and fair yachting commentator in the world.
I hope Shirley is here in Auckland for the whole build up to the next Americas Cup. No disrespect to previous commentators, they have been well informed and very interesting to listen to, but there is something special in her delivery, common sense analysis and ability to impart information easily that makes Shirley the “Go to commentator” in my view.
Put Shirley and Jan Shearer together in the commentary box with Peter Lester on the water.... Nirvana!
Not hard to look at, either. Just please, please someone give Peter Montgomery a moving bus to play under
I really enjoy Shirley’s podcast. If you haven’t given it a listen, I’d suggest you do.
@@debbiedoesellis3940 Pete Montgomery is the voice of the 'America's Cup'.
Foiling was out of the bag for the 2013 cup early. It gave time for competition to catch up. Cyclors come out much later. No time to redesign the other boats. Job done.
@@CoolCoyote yes it is a budget thing but, it does come down to better use of resources that came though NZ being so far from help of big countries. Things could take months to get here if ordered so, a faster more immendiate solution had to be arranged to get us through. The No8 wired culture is something that keeps us at the front of the world.
A bridle
A brilliant documentary thoroughly enjoyed it thank you mainsail .
Let's hope they put a movie out, I would love to see what happened behind the scenes.
Thanks for the news, Donan -- Cheers!
Better boat....Better technology......Better tactician ........Better skipper! "Your simply the best....BETTER than all the rest......"
Dean BARKER never drove the boat again poor DEAN
the come back is always around the corner never give up
I had absolutely no doubt Team New Zealand had to get the monkey off their back. We had suffered one of the most humiliating defeats in sporting history, and the country's pride, took a nose dive. At the time I think the New Zealand public almost lost interest, everyone remembered that devastating defeat at the hands of Team Oracle and the pain felt by us all, But what a difference a year makes, and how against all odds they got off the canvas and went back to work, amazing public support started rallying, believe me no one were celebrating until they crossed the line in that final race to reclaim the America's Cup. If there is one thing we know this Cup can drive a nation to utter joy or deep depression.
After the 2013 Americas Cup New Zealand never looked at it as a defeat it was just the spark that light the fire and I knew that the true tragedy for ETNZ and the whole country would have been if to shut up shop we as a country could never let that happen and give up a proud history in sailing.
Some of us never gave up faith in Dalts. Those that did have a belly full of hats.
To be fair we shouldn't have had that lay off day from the one before. That call came down to Dalts. So he owed NZ this win.
@@GreigBooth Rubbish. The lay day was scheduled, so it required mutual consent to override that.
Oracle did not consent, so it was immaterial whether NZ chose to do so.
When they said NZ were on the outer ,they were not lying , After they went arse over kite ,they asked other teams for a few parts , they all said no except the poms [Bar] Thanks guys , shows money is not everything .
Poms 💪💙
Oh?... So they were underfunded. Comparatively speaking of course to Oracle U. S. A..
2021...America’s Cup is stills NZ’s cup!
Just shows how ridiculously good NZ is at sport.
@Despiser Despised Try fielding a team 0f 15 athletes and one oval ball, no pads, no helmets, no ankle stiffeners, 90 minute game, 40 minutes each half, with one half time stoppage of 10 minutes... and then celebrating a rugby world cup win where more than 2 countries show up including the US of A. But you're correct, no sane NZer would play in the NFL.
Lol is that guy serious?? Dude sailing is probably the only world wild sport America plays with the world, other than that you guys play games that no other country is slightly interested in. I’ll give you basketball you guys are the best at that without doubt but that’s it.
Whos here after etnz sweep luna rossa 7-3 2021
AC34 was lost to a 'device' that helped automatically trim the fly-height.
A conspiracy theory based on a misunderstanding. The device was the subject of a request for clarification to the measurers long before the contest, and it was ingenious but perfectly legal. The Kiwis could have chosen to implement their own. It did *not* automatically trim the fly height, and if another (undeclared) device had been fitted which did, the measurers would have smoked it (the boats were measured and inspected minutely, before each and every race) and Oracle would have been disqualified.
Greatest Americas Cup story ever! Under-funded, resourceful ingenuity. 2013 was not the greatest sporting come back. The cheating of 2013 was never going to pay off!
Angelous Bacon they kind of were.
I know there won’t be a movie about ETNZ in our life time, but I hope I’m wrong.
RESPECT NZ BROTHERS 💪
Love and respect from me, here in the USA.
Sign at 21:52. :)
18:43 so true
the day Dalts stepped out of Blakes shadow.
The America cup lost its prestige when the Americans decided to held its race in Bermuda. Seriously ask any Americans if they would consider Bermunda as one their own land not! Its should have been held in San Francisco again.
Hey guys great show during the cup. Loved it! Two things I think you glossed over a bit with ETNZ that really helped them win.
1) Onboard software integration to make those small foils work so well. It’s a bit like trying to make the stealth fighter fly. So I don’t think it’s as easy as simply saying wack those foils on LR and they would have won the Cup. There are a lot more nuance and moving parts involved.
2) We never even got close to seeing Te Rehutai’s true potential as all the racing was (in my view) right at the edge of their performance envelope for that set up. I know you can only critique what’s in front of you, but it’s a bit like comparing performance of F1 cars, when one doesn’t get out of 3rd gear.
What can I say , Kiwis are smarter than the average bear boo boo!
I used to wonder why they didn't use cycles for the grinder's
It is not about the old issue, America's dominance of (pee wee) GB. It is far better that it is a true international work.
That loss came down to the one eyed Aussi chief marshal who decided to stop the race 2 minutes b4 team NZ was bout to cross the finish line which would have won us the cup in 2013
Nonsense. The race went over the allowed time. Rules that both teams signed up to at the beginning. Yes NZ was ahead, but that was inconsequential if they hadn't crossed the line before the time limit. The loss came down to many factors but that race absolutely was not one of them. I'm a Kiwi btw.
@@kwerk2011 To be fair, the race committee (under the same rules you refer to) were able to, and should have, moved the marks during the race to make it possible to finish in the allocated time.
well I think as a kiwi we were all very disappointed that the team didn't pull it off at San Fran especially after seemingly having it in the bag at match point with so many races in hand.
However I was not aware how much the team suffered from kiwi parochialism.
As a kiwi I feel a bit ashamed about that.
It is true that nz public is tough on athletes sometimes. However Team New Zealand were not losers. They got an hounorable second with destination.
Fantastic doco and well done. 2021 worked out beautifully too and Team New Zealand have created quite the legacy.
Well done guys. So proud 🇳🇿 Enjoy the spoils and the Isle of Wight 😉
Dean Barker is a bad ass. The Kiwis have given the rest of planet earth some bad ass sailors. Give us a bad ass Americas Cup. We have faith in you, we think you can do it.
2013 made TNZ stronger, don’t get me wrong, the whole country was in mourning…8-1 then to lose 8-9.
ボートレースみたい、昔のヨットレースはカッコ良かったのに😢
Sad to see Dalton sell out his principals and shift the hosting from NZ to Spain for 2024, guess national pride doesn't factor into it when there is a cheque on the table.
Massive Kudo'sto Emirates Team New Zealand for a stunning comeback and flawless performance in once again snatching "The Cup" from The U.S.A's grasp. Remarkable to think that a "little" island nation
with a population less than the city of Los Angeles, can produce such amazing talent, in lifting The America's Cup for the 3rd(?) time. However to me presonally, I mourn the fact that technology has overtaken the graceful magic of the monohulls. The modern "cats"with the plethora of carbon and foils etc., whilst undoubtedly fast, are perhaps similar to the relationship Formular 1 race cars have to everyday driving, in that perhaps too the modern America's Cup boats, have forsaken the essence of true sailing, on the Altar of Techhnology....?
Barker was not the man for the job.
Talks talks talks
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yea Yea, not real sailing. Great technology, Go back to monohulls, slow down and enjoy a beer. Still can't look away.
Capt Termite Ummmmmm it wasn't Team NZ who decided what type of Boat they had to sail in.
I hope the America's Cup goes to Italy.
We Kiwis (and especially our Government) don't deserve to have it here. The amount of lynching Team NZ and Grant Dalton received from the media & public and the mistreatment from the Government from 2013 up to 2017 was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy undeserved.
I'd rather watch Team NZ race where they are happy and comfortable (even if it means overseas) than do it in their own backyard full of backstabbers, tall poppy tire-kickers and ticket clippers.
oh shut up,if it wasnt for all that backlash they would of given up and not raced
fretai03
If you know what went on from the inside, put it to pen. Don't make innuendoes without actual fact.