@@Everythingblackpowder Hey, I have been meaning to ask, is the ramrod you use with your rifle made of fiberglass? It doesn't sound like it is made of wood or steel or anything natural. I am asking because I have a pistol that came with a wooden ramrod that just ends up getting chiseled away as it occasionally scrapes the rifling. Any suggestions to fix that problem? Also, love the background music you used in this video, definitely keep it in future videos. What is it called?
As you can see, My last name is Nerdin, I nerd out on this stuff also. I believe when they, Jake and Company, made the kiln they were in their best Nerd State and really trying to improve their quality. I have learned a whole lot about making black powder and I now want a Colt revolver. :)
Me too. I price them out every time he has his on the channel. If I can make or find one with an interchangeable lock system for stoning or capping "I'm in" no matter the cost.
Thank you Garrett from 11 BangBang! (And of course thank you Jake!!!). I am one of the people who has been asking for cottonwood. I think I may have found my charcoal source. I will gladly take slightly slower velocity for consistency. Especially if the cleanup is no worse.
Keep the science going. Someday you'll need to compile all the notes and make 'em available. I learn something new with every episode and appreciate your effort. Given the limitations I work with, crappy mill and press, I'm thrilled with ANY product that get me 1600+ in my 45 SMR. I'll be improving the equipment slowly but surely. I can live with 75 gr and 1800+ for my shooting for now. Stay on it. Think about compiling the lessons learned and best practices in print. Not at all ready to make my own damned video so keep going!
Do you know the Chinese havd invented their own version of percussion cap after the Opium Wars? After the defeat, some Chinese want to get an alternative way to reduce their dependency on buying percussion cap from the Europeans or Americans. So they invented an alternate shock-sensitive explosive for their primitive percussion cap. The way of the Chinese primitive percussion explosive: 1) Grind realgar, saltpeter into powder. 2) Add iron powder and high-percentage wine. 3) Dry it in shade. Hope you find it interesting.❤
Would be great to see the same wood species charred at e.g. three different temperatures and compared. A lot of work I guess, but potentially a fun and valuable learning experience?
Halving your spread in velocity from 70 fps to 36fps is well worth giving up 30ish fps in total velocity IMO, especially if it runs a little cleaner. That said cottonelle > cotton wood and isn't breaking the bank. I look forward to a re-test of a carbon source using the pyrolisizer. I bet that improvement in process is a big part of what's reducing your velocity delta.
Yes it’s a fast growing wood but when kiln dried it becomes very hard. I’m a machinist and the guy I work with told me that back in the day thy would get orders from ski slope to machine break pads for the chair lift out of kiln dried cotton wood.
I’ve learned a lot about black powder from your videos, and appreciate you sharing your experiments and knowledge. I don’t remember you using sumac, and think It might work well. Sumac is abundant in my area, and should be easy to work with.
first came craft beer, now we have small batch craft powder. lol still it seems to have done pretty well. Always nice to have alternatives. Thanks guys
I get the velocity wars, but id really be more interested in seeing accuracy on paper. It's black, so we already know it's dirty, not a huge deal when using water based patch lubes or simply swabbing between shots. If the velocity is close to goex, put it on paper.
The only things affecting accuracy are velocity spread and fouling....both of which are very good with the Cottonwood powder so I'd expect the accuracy to be good.
That seems reasonable, I get comments from folks all the time that are upset that I don’t put things on paper. The reason why is because most of the time the powder isn’t worth the trouble, but if the fouling and velocity are close enough to goex I think putting it on paper would be fair enough.
@recoilrob324 not entirely true. American Pioneer Powder has huge, 150+ fps velocity spreads and it's still an accurate powder. It's probably the most inconsistent powder ever made and has a learning curve to obtain accuracy.
@@BuckskinsBlackPowder that’s interesting. Ive never used APP but I don’t see how it can be all that accurate with a spread of 150+ fps? That would be like switching from Goex to Swiss from shot to shot my rifle is sighted in with 50gr of 3f Swiss and if I use the same charge of 3F Goex it will hit a good 4 inches low at 50 yards.
That spread was great, makes up for faster powder that is 5 times worse from shot to shot. It would be neat to see if the deviation stayed close to the same as the charge weight increased. Seems like more of a metallic cartridge issue unless you are competitive shooting with the smoke pole. Thanks for the great content.
Cottonwood is Nebraska's state tree. It literally grows everywhere like a weed here. You gotta start blending carbon sources! So many more options. Good video guys.
Video didn’t suck. Picture behind you of some artillery piece. Have you fired those? Wife was silent when I mentioned buying a Civil War mortar. I think that means "yes".
You aren't truly addicted until you start picking up every piece of flint/chert you can find to knap your own flints, make powder, shop every fabric store within 100 miles for the right thickness and weave of patches, make your own horns, bags, and measures, and make your own longrifles from boards and sheet metal. There is still hope for you....
I'm just curious how different toilet paper brands would compare. I will say I was worried about how toilet paper would hold up to humidity, but we had the 160th Battle of Resaca last weekend. Using your method it worked out amazingly.
You know now that you have charcoal down and a pyrolizizer it could be interesting to see what different charcoals do with different colors in case hardening. Love the videos I'm always excited to see what you guys are doing next
Hell, when I first started making the "evil black" though about 45 years ago, I used to make my carbon from the sawdust from my dad's saw ! Actually though, it worked pretty good in my home built match lock we had made. It was enough to get me hooked. I am 59 now and still love it.
Just tried out some propellant with corn cobs as the carbon source. Milled, mixed and pucked as close to your method as possible. Shooting in a 50 CVA mountain rifle percussion fired. 50 Grains under a 490 round ball. My velocity started at 1064 fps and climbed 1340 on the 4th shot. Loading became increasingly difficult and was actually pounding on the ram rod to load the last two loads. When I patched it the patch was extremely dirty, so my next carbon will probably be Angel soft TP.
Cool. One of the trashiest nastiest woods has a useful application. The damn things are dangerous with how they randomly drop limbs on flat calm days with no warning. I almost got hit by a 6" branch that just dropped as I passed under it, right where a group of kids had taken lunch only hours before. They're good for tomahawk/knife targets too, if you're into that.
Another excellent video and congratulations on approaching 100K subscribers. When you first start a batch, how much of each ingredient are you using? I know the ratio - is it 77-13-10 grams or some other measure? Thanks for the great content.
Ive been working up to my 1st batch since 2020. Tonight is the night. I wanted to report on my Harbor Freight tumbler. I bought it a few years ago and was a little bummed when I saw your report on it. BUT, I forgot that I modified it per an old video I saw. 1-½" caster wheels drilled out and pressed onto the shafts does 2 things... 1 is it brings the ceter of my 4" pvc tumbler up so I can use a test plug as a cap (the wingnut hit the tumbler housing before the casters were installed) . 2 is that I get faster rotation which throws the media. I am delighted since I don't have room for half of a treadmill.
you're definitely getting your process refined. Those were real nice and consistent speeds! That pyrolysiser is definitely a major step in the right direction. I am curious, i was always taught to never slam the ball with the rod because of deformation causing inaccuracies, and i was wondering if it is just not a big concern atleast for your shooting.
You will never see any target shooters beating their ball up like that but I have to admit that his loading procedure is very consistent from shot to shot. And in this case that's what matters. Accuracy is not really a concern here.
Not to toot my own horn, but I won first place in rifle competition with this same rifle and homemade powder just last week. I’ve heard this story a thousand times that loading like that will ruin your accuracy but it seems to work well enough for me. 🤷♂️
@Everythingblackpowder I've seen your longrange shots and never questioned your accuracy. That was just my own upbringing. I couldn't hit targets that far away with my flintlock, even with my careful, delicate loading procedure. Also, tomorrow, I'm going to be shooting my grandpa's old caplock double barrel shotgun for the first time. Hopefully, it doesn't blow out the nipples(they were stripped, and I repaired them)
@@Everythingblackpowder I got kicked to second place in flintlock offhand back in March by a great shooter who loaded like you do but with a steel range rod and brass muzzle protector. Slammed the rod against the ball twice more after the first solid bounce while holding the muzzle protector in place. He loaded very hot and very tight, wiped after every shot, and beat us all. Farthest target was 100 yards.
I am an addict now, for E.B.P. If You guys would be so kind, how many shots through that Kibler without any muzzle crown protetction? Been messing around a little with muzzleloaders 35 Years now. Was told; use protection on the muzzle. And mostly, I have. You guys load and shoot just fine and dandy and have fun in what seems the easy way. So will I, from now on. No full lenght loading tube, f**k that brass muzzle protector. Just gonna load and shoot from now on. I' m not gonna be a top notch scooter anyway. Was, some years ago. Littlebit, in Norwegian championships. My friend shoots Scandinavian matches, did quite good too. Mostly with Swedish and also Norwegian fabricated rolling blocks. And sine powder is so goddamn expensive here, and long drive away, he has almost exclusively used blasting black powder. It is still used here for splitting rocks velge like. Costs a fraction, available lokallag and cheap. Dirty, lower power. But has been used a lot here. I believe my pal would have done even better in competition with some good powder. But, alas. He's 75 now. If You met him at a shootin' match he would uptil now appear to be a very fit 60 year old guy. Oh, yeah price of Swiss powder is about 200 bucks pr. Kilo or approx.2 pounds. An I have to drive to that Hellhole Oslo to get it. 12 hour drive, f&b. It is impossible to buy the components needed, except charcoal, as You have shown can easily self manufactured. Thank You, from my heart for the interesting, fun, ironic, educational good content You guys put out on Y.T. Your friend in Norway, Dan
Howdy, Dan. I’ve never used a muzzle crown protector and I’m not planning on it. I have more shots through this particular rifle than most people have through theirs .
I enjoy all your videos. Thanks for sharing them. I also have a kibbler 45 caliber, with a 36 caliber barrel and A32 caliber barrel. Elove it and I'm really surprised of the bamboo charcoal. Being so clean but the cottonwood aint too bad either.Looking forward to the next video mike from southern illinois.
That’s blasphemous. Use the quran though as it’s the oldest known cult to try and steal legitimacy from the church and the Temple. Just think, would the Heaven’s Gate cult have ever gotten off the ground we’re all the mind control research not done and published by a 7th century Arab cave dweller?
77:13:10 by weight 🙂 Another variable you "might" control is the water content of the wood. Meters for determining that are common and relatively inexpenisve. Beginning the char process with already well "seasoned" wood might make for a cleaner burn. Only one way to see...
Cut two red cedars 3feet across .( in ca) Slabed some of it. IS THAT SAWDUST POSSIBLE SOURCE OF CHARCOAL? Ripping leaves longer kernal than cross cut. Very interesting V . Att75 gr. Powder wacked that target.
Once again the video didnt suck. Great job 👏 Maybe try Quaking aspen its in the willow family. It is the most widely distributed tree in North America. Entire stands of aspen are made up of a genetic clone of one tree so it pretty uniform. Thanks
looked like NICE lock speeds! How much Cotton? WOOD? If a Cottonwood? Would? if a cottenelle Could? I took my char up in temp and time for less fouling? "I think?" it works well, but testing in the CDRCA is knott so easy. about to harvest my next banana tree umbilical cord for char, my best to date. Hemp tree char was slow, but fun twice.
Is cottonwood from Populus tree family (Poplar tree?) I have a lot of firewood from aspen tree which is also Poplar species and I want to try making BP from it.
I actually bought a new paint can, and lid.. and a pack of Cottrell........Its ageing till I get around to it, carbonizing it, and rather then tumble it I think i will use a little alcohol and water wait 10 minutes, shred it though a sieve and let dry. Then screen it for size. ................. BTW Some headcase placed tannerite in a air gun rifle and the video he posted looked pretty dynamic. but I dont think i will try it just to see..... Maybe if you needed a bad idea to play with you could think about it.... .Remember to pile sandbags on it.......I was also given a .45 wallhanger muzzeloader that I need to carefully sort through the basics .of this Jägermeister type rifle .. Its not over 50 years so might be a good shooter, and here in Idaho sabots are not allowed for Deer hunting , only patch and ball. I appreciate the T.P. tip. I had made a medium size drum of hardwood charcoal, made out of sycamore hardwood if you want some .. I had a few steel barrels that nested inside each other, and I went out of control, and we can have big big bonfires here.. I bet you could see it from a sattilte... Its about 30 gallons of charcoal or so..but I prefer Cottrel thanks to you................
Say, got any matchlock guns lying around? Maybe someone makes a kit for building a Japanese Teppou or "Tanegashima," it'd be interesrting to see how much more followthrough it calls for over a flintlock.
I’ve been loving the videos. You’ve inspired me to start my own black powder production. I would be really interested to see a repeat of your 1911 .45 ACP test with some of the different duplex loads you’ve been trying. Since duplex loads produce significantly less fouling my thinking is that you’ll be able to push more of those rounds through an auto loader than black powder alone.
The only thing missing from these videos is the smell of burnt black powder . Have to love the smell of burnt black powder . I have always liked the smell of burnt black powder since the days of my youth going to fourth of July fireworks displays .
I found it interesting when you mentioned that you always strip the bark off before pyrolyzing. I have to wonder what bark only powder would shoot like. Possibly do a batch of pine bark, birch bark and cottonwood (since you have it)?
Love it how these "lower velocities " are just...meh...meanwhile anything getting hit by these blackpowder loads would be just destroyed. Would love to see something with a Whitworth rifle if you could get your hands on it!
I'll send the basswood!?!? Tell me where to send it and if you want it cut specifically or just a block to cut yourself. I have massive chunks for wood carving and can spare ass much as you need 👌
If I made my own propellent and (more importantly) knew what the HELL a "Cottonwood" tree was, I would be happy with that at least until I found something better.
hmmmmmm, a thought just went through my 1/2 dead brain. I wonder what would happen if you soaked the wood, paper, or whatever your going to use for a carbon source, IN the potassium nitrate (mixed in the liquid of your choice) for a week or so. the idea is to actually get the nitrate INTO the carbon source, as opposed to get it NEXT to the carbon source. thinking about this a little more, you would likely have to evaporate the water off, so that the potassium remained in the wood, instead of getting poured ot. so it would likely be a 2 week ordeal. a second thing went through my brain a minute later. that pressurizing the soak (like they do with treated lumber, might help this process as well. you would have to do that with a powder that you already have a good amount of data for, so you could get a good comparison. one thing that i thought of that may be a trouble spot, is the smoke from the charcoal might TOXIC. so that might be a real issue.
I'm sure the manufacturers are very "precise" in the production of large quantities, & little errors at this level would have less variation in performance than small lot errors. like we can do... (its why we had to carry the decimal point out 4 places in pharmacy school calculations regarding med preparation)
For some reason, I am fascinated with the difference the carbon source makes. I look forward to every new video to see what you are sharing. Thanks! Phil
Great video but what was that, that I saw at 8:24? You had the ram rod in your hand and a strange mist appeared and absorbed the ramrod!! No other way to describe it!!
Could it be that the balsa for whatever reason enhances the combustion of the more complex hydrocarbon chains in the slower burning powder? If so, then you would get more energy and cleaner combustion than the slower powder on its own. Along the same lines of thinking, the balsa may be slightly fuel starved and the cottonwood slightly fuel rich and the two reinforcing each other. Or it could be the milling time...
I am one of the ones who suggested Cottonwood, it is my choice . If you have a .58 cal or a .75, try it in those. It shines in the big bores. My Cohern Mortar loves it too.. fortunately, it grows all over my property. Also, try the smaller trees and branches, not the core wood
Willow, Aspen, and cotton wood are all related. No surprise that they perform closely equal. I like aspen myself. It was faster than the toilet paper bp i made.
Dang...got a lotta cottonwood around here so I was hoping it would be at least a little better than goex in some way... Am gonna make a stainless steel can to see if that makes a difference...anyone tried that? We got corncobs coming out our ears around here and there is an "invasive" species in Hawaii called the "gunpowder tree" ... might be fun to try to get ahold of some of that...
It didn't suck, I pressed the like button and I am already subscribed! It seemed like a solid powder and I saw very few sparks flying out of the barrel compared to some of the others. Another great job! Thank you for the effort!
not a request Jake just passing on info i picked up here of late i talked to a Seminole Indian at a reenactment last weekend and he told me his people would sometimes use Spanish moss to make their powder charcoal! the cheech and chong stuff may have went over as well as finding out your wife barb was named bert before the operation because chong is rabidly anti gun!! by the way using tallow lube in these?
I made some videos on some powder i made using activated charcoal, cocoanut fiber. Worked well enough, a bit dirty tho. Curious as to the velocities, if you happen to be up for making a batch of it. Convenient way to get a lot of already burned and ground up charcoal. Mine is just corned, I imagine your pressed stuff would serve much better.
Cottonwood. Now I have an excuse to cut down the old, old cottonwood tree on my property. Just hope it doesn't hit the older house some one planted it by, (not me, it was old when I moved there 44 years ago.)
Seems like you guys are zeroing in on the best carbon sources now. Now that you have the custom pyrolizer perhaps you guys could do a few time/ temperature experiments to see if there's anything there to be gained either in terms of charge strength or easier production.
At the end, you were talking about someone with a surplus of cottonwood using it as a sub for other carbon sources. it made me wonder about making charcol in quantity and storing it to use as needed. How hygroscopic is charcol? Is it better to store un-ground or ground up. Assuming it absorbs a lot of moisture, should it be stored in jars, or would paint cans suffice? Enjoy your channel.
Making charcoal doesn't have to be complicated or expensive. First you have to decide what it's for. If it's for bbq you will want a dense aromatic wood like hickory, oak pecan or applewood. If its for forge work it wont matter as much as long as you have enough of it to finish the job. I make lots of it for my garden. I just set fire to a pile of random dry wood. When the flames start to die down i put out the fire with a hose. I wait an hour and soak it again. The next day i sift out the nails and trash through a sifter made of 2x4s and 1/2" rabbit cage wire. I store the charcoal in metal trash cans until i need it. I have made charcoal in paint cans plenty of times. How dry you store it depends on what you want to do with it. Cookie tins, popcorn tins, mason jars will keep charcoal dry enough.
@@johnndavis7647 Thank you for responding. My concern was only regarding charcoal for black powder production, and how important it is in that pursuit to protect the charcoal from moisture and the best way to do it.
I personally use staghorn sumac wood as I can find it locally for free, and it suits all of my needs for lift in pyrotechnics. I would really like to see it stack up against other woods to see how well it actually does.
wonder if there would be a difference between black and eastern cottonwood we only have the black here we also only have black willow for the most part that im aware of besides some shrubby willow along the rivers i might jus go with that but seeing as to how black cottonwood grows everywhere here it might be easier to get
another interesting presentation , now that your ready to scrape the beard off leave you some mutton chops for a different look on the next presentation , cheers big ears from down under
The background music is nice and sets a good mood. If you could get Clint Eastwood to show up, that would be great. For those who would use the paint-can rather than build a Pyrolicizer, do you think there would be just more variability in the velocities? Also - I'm impressed with the accuracy of your rifle - thanks!
Have you ever tried Madrone, or even know what it is? I made a batch out of Madrone that slightly out performed Goex. I have no chronograph but was testing penetration through a 2X10 and then a number of 3/4" sheets of plywood. I was shooting a New Model Remington Navy .36 cal. After my first batch, I have not been able to duplicate those results. At the time I was comparing Triple 7 with Goex and my homemade Madrone. Of course Triple 7 won, but my Madrone and Goex was basically a draw, with Madrone doing slightly better. I enjoy your videos on making BP, they are the most informative and the best on TH-cam!
This has become one of my favorite channels. I literally nerd out.
Same here. Can't watch this channel enough, and I don't even make or shoot black powder, yet.
Glad to hear it
@@Everythingblackpowder I love it, when Hillbillys can go viral, talking about important things in the world, like black powder.
@@Everythingblackpowder
Hey, I have been meaning to ask, is the ramrod you use with your rifle made of fiberglass? It doesn't sound like it is made of wood or steel or anything natural. I am asking because I have a pistol that came with a wooden ramrod that just ends up getting chiseled away as it occasionally scrapes the rifling. Any suggestions to fix that problem? Also, love the background music you used in this video, definitely keep it in future videos. What is it called?
As you can see, My last name is Nerdin, I nerd out on this stuff also. I believe when they, Jake and Company, made the kiln they were in their best Nerd State and really trying to improve their quality. I have learned a whole lot about making black powder and I now want a Colt revolver. :)
Love that rifle of yours. The old style flintlocks and percussion rifles were an art form that modern rifles just don't match. Cheers!
Me too. I price them out every time he has his on the channel. If I can make or find one with an interchangeable lock system for stoning or capping "I'm in" no matter the cost.
Thank you
Thank you Garrett from 11 BangBang! (And of course thank you Jake!!!). I am one of the people who has been asking for cottonwood. I think I may have found my charcoal source. I will gladly take slightly slower velocity for consistency. Especially if the cleanup is no worse.
Glad to hear it
Keep the science going.
Someday you'll need to compile all the notes and make 'em available.
I learn something new with every episode and appreciate your effort.
Given the limitations I work with, crappy mill and press, I'm thrilled with ANY product that get me 1600+ in my 45 SMR. I'll be improving the equipment slowly but surely. I can live with 75 gr and 1800+ for my shooting for now.
Stay on it. Think about compiling the lessons learned and best practices in print.
Not at all ready to make my own damned video so keep going!
Thank you
Do you know the Chinese havd invented their own version of percussion cap after the Opium Wars?
After the defeat, some Chinese want to get an alternative way to reduce their dependency on buying percussion cap from the Europeans or Americans. So they invented an alternate shock-sensitive explosive for their primitive percussion cap.
The way of the Chinese primitive percussion explosive:
1) Grind realgar, saltpeter into powder.
2) Add iron powder and high-percentage wine.
3) Dry it in shade.
Hope you find it interesting.❤
Would be great to see the same wood species charred at e.g. three different temperatures and compared. A lot of work I guess, but potentially a fun and valuable learning experience?
I like the touch with the background music. Great content as always!
Thanks. The music is getting mixed reviews
It was low enough not to be a distraction & very fitting in its style.
Thanks
It was fitting style and volume. Not distracting or fatiguing.
Glad to hear it
Halving your spread in velocity from 70 fps to 36fps is well worth giving up 30ish fps in total velocity IMO, especially if it runs a little cleaner. That said cottonelle > cotton wood and isn't breaking the bank.
I look forward to a re-test of a carbon source using the pyrolisizer. I bet that improvement in process is a big part of what's reducing your velocity delta.
I had a sneaky suspicion Cottonwood would be decent. It’s one of the fastest growing trees at least in my area
Yes it’s a fast growing wood but when kiln dried it becomes very hard. I’m a machinist and the guy I work with told me that back in the day thy would get orders from ski slope to machine break pads for the chair lift out of kiln dried cotton wood.
I’ve learned a lot about black powder from your videos, and appreciate you sharing your experiments and knowledge.
I don’t remember you using sumac, and think It might work well. Sumac is abundant in my area, and should be easy to work with.
first came craft beer, now we have small batch craft powder. lol still it seems to have done pretty well. Always nice to have alternatives. Thanks guys
Thank you
I get the velocity wars, but id really be more interested in seeing accuracy on paper. It's black, so we already know it's dirty, not a huge deal when using water based patch lubes or simply swabbing between shots. If the velocity is close to goex, put it on paper.
The only things affecting accuracy are velocity spread and fouling....both of which are very good with the Cottonwood powder so I'd expect the accuracy to be good.
@@recoilrob324 yep
That seems reasonable, I get comments from folks all the time that are upset that I don’t put things on paper. The reason why is because most of the time the powder isn’t worth the trouble, but if the fouling and velocity are close enough to goex I think putting it on paper would be fair enough.
@recoilrob324 not entirely true. American Pioneer Powder has huge, 150+ fps velocity spreads and it's still an accurate powder. It's probably the most inconsistent powder ever made and has a learning curve to obtain accuracy.
@@BuckskinsBlackPowder that’s interesting. Ive never used APP but I don’t see how it can be all that accurate with a spread of 150+ fps? That would be like switching from Goex to Swiss from shot to shot my rifle is sighted in with 50gr of 3f Swiss and if I use the same charge of 3F Goex it will hit a good 4 inches low at 50 yards.
This was another super cool video. I bet those fast growing hybrid aspens they use for paper/pulp would be excellent
I have been thinking the same thing. There's groves of it out here in Oregon.
@scottleonard6651 You should get some and try it. I suspect it would be awesome
That spread was great, makes up for faster powder that is 5 times worse from shot to shot. It would be neat to see if the deviation stayed close to the same as the charge weight increased. Seems like more of a metallic cartridge issue unless you are competitive shooting with the smoke pole. Thanks for the great content.
Thank you
Cottonwood is Nebraska's state tree. It literally grows everywhere like a weed here. You gotta start blending carbon sources! So many more options. Good video guys.
It sucks when you're trying to fish 😆
like a weed you say? 🤔😂
Hell yea. I’ve been curious about cottonwood
Video didn’t suck.
Picture behind you of some artillery piece. Have you fired those?
Wife was silent when I mentioned buying a Civil War mortar.
I think that means "yes".
I moved to the Eastern United States where cotton trees grow everywhere, so thanks for the info.
You bet
I started researching an making my own black powder lube and now im F'ing into candle and lip balm making.
You aren't truly addicted until you start picking up every piece of flint/chert you can find to knap your own flints, make powder, shop every fabric store within 100 miles for the right thickness and weave of patches, make your own horns, bags, and measures, and make your own longrifles from boards and sheet metal. There is still hope for you....
I'm just curious how different toilet paper brands would compare. I will say I was worried about how toilet paper would hold up to humidity, but we had the 160th Battle of Resaca last weekend. Using your method it worked out amazingly.
You know now that you have charcoal down and a pyrolizizer it could be interesting to see what different charcoals do with different colors in case hardening. Love the videos I'm always excited to see what you guys are doing next
How? Want to know too: but doubts on pyrolosizer hot enough .xplain?
Hell, when I first started making the "evil black" though about 45 years ago, I used to make my carbon from the sawdust from my dad's saw ! Actually though, it worked pretty good in my home built match lock we had made. It was enough to get me hooked. I am 59 now and still love it.
I have got to make some of this just to shoot in my old Griswold and gunnison.
Just tried out some propellant with corn cobs as the carbon source. Milled, mixed and pucked as close to your method as possible. Shooting in a 50 CVA mountain rifle percussion fired. 50 Grains under a 490 round ball. My velocity started at 1064 fps and climbed 1340 on the 4th shot. Loading became increasingly difficult and was actually pounding on the ram rod to load the last two loads. When I patched it the patch was extremely dirty, so my next carbon will probably be Angel soft TP.
Yeah, a 300 fps spread is not a good sign
"Well ... what was I talking about" ??? 😳 Bwahahahahahahahahaha
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Cool. One of the trashiest nastiest woods has a useful application.
The damn things are dangerous with how they randomly drop limbs on flat calm days with no warning. I almost got hit by a 6" branch that just dropped as I passed under it, right where a group of kids had taken lunch only hours before.
They're good for tomahawk/knife targets too, if you're into that.
Another excellent video and congratulations on approaching 100K subscribers. When you first start a batch, how much of each ingredient are you using? I know the ratio - is it 77-13-10 grams or some other measure? Thanks for the great content.
if you think it sucked, go make youre own darn powder ;)
Ive been working up to my 1st batch since 2020. Tonight is the night. I wanted to report on my Harbor Freight tumbler. I bought it a few years ago and was a little bummed when I saw your report on it. BUT, I forgot that I modified it per an old video I saw. 1-½" caster wheels drilled out and pressed onto the shafts does 2 things... 1 is it brings the ceter of my 4" pvc tumbler up so I can use a test plug as a cap (the wingnut hit the tumbler housing before the casters were installed) . 2 is that I get faster rotation which throws the media. I am delighted since I don't have room for half of a treadmill.
Glad to hear it.
Will you ever consider using a different oxidizer?
I’ve used sodium nitrate. What do you have in mind?
you're definitely getting your process refined. Those were real nice and consistent speeds! That pyrolysiser is definitely a major step in the right direction.
I am curious, i was always taught to never slam the ball with the rod because of deformation causing inaccuracies, and i was wondering if it is just not a big concern atleast for your shooting.
You will never see any target shooters beating their ball up like that but I have to admit that his loading procedure is very consistent from shot to shot. And in this case that's what matters. Accuracy is not really a concern here.
Not to toot my own horn, but I won first place in rifle competition with this same rifle and homemade powder just last week. I’ve heard this story a thousand times that loading like that will ruin your accuracy but it seems to work well enough for me. 🤷♂️
@Everythingblackpowder I've seen your longrange shots and never questioned your accuracy. That was just my own upbringing. I couldn't hit targets that far away with my flintlock, even with my careful, delicate loading procedure.
Also, tomorrow, I'm going to be shooting my grandpa's old caplock double barrel shotgun for the first time. Hopefully, it doesn't blow out the nipples(they were stripped, and I repaired them)
I can see the logic behind it but I’ve never seen a noticeable difference under 220 yards
@@Everythingblackpowder I got kicked to second place in flintlock offhand back in March by a great shooter who loaded like you do but with a steel range rod and brass muzzle protector. Slammed the rod against the ball twice more after the first solid bounce while holding the muzzle protector in place. He loaded very hot and very tight, wiped after every shot, and beat us all. Farthest target was 100 yards.
I am an addict now, for E.B.P.
If You guys would be so kind, how many shots through that Kibler without any muzzle crown protetction?
Been messing around a little with muzzleloaders 35 Years now.
Was told; use protection on the muzzle.
And mostly, I have.
You guys load and shoot just fine
and dandy and have fun in what seems the easy way.
So will I, from now on. No full lenght loading tube, f**k that brass muzzle protector.
Just gonna load and shoot from now on.
I' m not gonna be a top notch scooter anyway.
Was, some years ago. Littlebit, in Norwegian championships.
My friend shoots Scandinavian matches, did quite good too.
Mostly with Swedish and also Norwegian fabricated rolling blocks. And sine powder is so goddamn expensive here, and long drive away, he has almost exclusively used blasting black powder. It is still used here for splitting rocks velge like.
Costs a fraction, available lokallag and cheap.
Dirty, lower power. But has been used a lot here.
I believe my pal would have done even better in competition with some good powder.
But, alas. He's 75 now.
If You met him at a shootin' match he would uptil now appear to be a very fit 60 year old guy.
Oh, yeah price of Swiss powder is about 200 bucks pr. Kilo or approx.2 pounds.
An I have to drive to that Hellhole Oslo to get it. 12 hour drive, f&b.
It is impossible to buy the components needed, except charcoal, as You have shown can easily self manufactured.
Thank You, from my heart for the interesting, fun, ironic, educational
good content You guys put out on Y.T.
Your friend in Norway, Dan
No need for a crown protector, wood or brass tips aren't going to damage steel unless you're doing something VERY wrong.
Howdy, Dan. I’ve never used a muzzle crown protector and I’m not planning on it. I have more shots through this particular rifle than most people have through theirs .
All that himp made you forget what you were talking about.
So that’s what they were Corning out at the Augusta powder mill?
Yes
I enjoy all your videos. Thanks for sharing them. I also have a kibbler 45 caliber, with a 36 caliber barrel and A32 caliber barrel. Elove it and I'm really surprised of the bamboo charcoal. Being so clean but the cottonwood aint too bad either.Looking forward to the next video mike from southern illinois.
Thanks, Mike
Although my canon is not quite so fussy, we still want the biggest bang for our buck, literally, as usual, all good information
Well if they didn't like the cheech and chong references they sure ain't gonna like it when you start pyrolisizing the holy bible! Hehe..
That’s blasphemous. Use the quran though as it’s the oldest known cult to try and steal legitimacy from the church and the Temple. Just think, would the Heaven’s Gate cult have ever gotten off the ground we’re all the mind control research not done and published by a 7th century Arab cave dweller?
or a pyrolisized holy bible v koran😁
...hey....maybe try some Labrador hemp?
Praise the lord and make the ammunition! 😂
Potheads are too sensitive.
77:13:10 by weight 🙂 Another variable you "might" control is the water content of the wood. Meters for determining that are common and relatively inexpenisve. Beginning the char process with already well "seasoned" wood might make for a cleaner burn. Only one way to see...
Meh that will cook off in the carbonizer, its the first thing to come off.
The steam might take some dirty out with it. I'd be interested to see a comparison.
I have inherited several of my mothers pottery kilns. now to make my own pyrolizer
Love your vids. Can you try pigeon wood aka gunpowder wood (scientific name- trema orientalis)? If that's available to you. Thank you.
Cut two red cedars 3feet across .( in ca) Slabed some of it. IS THAT SAWDUST POSSIBLE SOURCE OF CHARCOAL? Ripping leaves longer kernal than cross cut.
Very interesting V . Att75 gr. Powder wacked that target.
Once again the video didnt suck. Great job 👏
Maybe try Quaking aspen its in the willow family.
It is the most widely distributed tree in North America. Entire stands of aspen are made up of a genetic clone of one tree so it pretty uniform.
Thanks
Thanks for taking your time to do this saves me time.
You bet
looked like NICE lock speeds!
How much Cotton? WOOD? If a Cottonwood? Would? if a cottenelle Could?
I took my char up in temp and time for less fouling? "I think?" it works well, but testing in the CDRCA is knott so easy.
about to harvest my next banana tree umbilical cord for char, my best to date. Hemp tree char was slow, but fun twice.
Is cottonwood from Populus tree family (Poplar tree?) I have a lot of firewood from aspen tree which is also Poplar species and I want to try making BP from it.
I actually bought a new paint can, and lid.. and a pack of Cottrell........Its ageing till I get around to it, carbonizing it, and rather then tumble it I think i will use a little alcohol and water wait 10 minutes, shred it though a sieve and let dry. Then screen it for size. ................. BTW Some headcase placed tannerite in a air gun rifle and the video he posted looked pretty dynamic. but I dont think i will try it just to see..... Maybe if you needed a bad idea to play with you could think about it.... .Remember to pile sandbags on it.......I was also given a .45 wallhanger muzzeloader that I need to carefully sort through the basics .of this Jägermeister type rifle .. Its not over 50 years so might be a good shooter, and here in Idaho sabots are not allowed for Deer hunting , only patch and ball. I appreciate the T.P. tip. I had made a medium size drum of hardwood charcoal, made out of sycamore hardwood if you want some .. I had a few steel barrels that nested inside each other, and I went out of control, and we can have big big bonfires here.. I bet you could see it from a sattilte... Its about 30 gallons of charcoal or so..but I prefer Cottrel thanks to you................
Say, got any matchlock guns lying around? Maybe someone makes a kit for building a Japanese Teppou or "Tanegashima," it'd be interesrting to see how much more followthrough it calls for over a flintlock.
I’ve been loving the videos. You’ve inspired me to start my own black powder production. I would be really interested to see a repeat of your 1911 .45 ACP test with some of the different duplex loads you’ve been trying. Since duplex loads produce significantly less fouling my thinking is that you’ll be able to push more of those rounds through an auto loader than black powder alone.
The only thing missing from these videos is the smell of burnt black powder . Have to love the smell of burnt black powder . I have always liked the smell of burnt black powder since the days of my youth going to fourth of July fireworks displays .
Ever try box elder? That's another really light and white wood.
This was awesome. I have a metric crap ton of cottonwood at my disposal.
I'm wondering if charcoal from the saw dust from your preferred wood source would help/hurt performance. As always a great damn video. Thanks
I found it interesting when you mentioned that you always strip the bark off before pyrolyzing. I have to wonder what bark only powder would shoot like. Possibly do a batch of pine bark, birch bark and cottonwood (since you have it)?
Love it how these "lower velocities " are just...meh...meanwhile anything getting hit by these blackpowder loads would be just destroyed. Would love to see something with a Whitworth rifle if you could get your hands on it!
Yeah, cottonwood isn't The Best Charcoal, but it's pretty good, and cottonwood is basically free for the hauling around here.
I'll send the basswood!?!? Tell me where to send it and if you want it cut specifically or just a block to cut yourself. I have massive chunks for wood carving and can spare ass much as you need 👌
If I made my own propellent and (more importantly) knew what the HELL a "Cottonwood" tree was, I would be happy with that at least until I found something better.
hmmmmmm, a thought just went through my 1/2 dead brain. I wonder what would happen if you soaked the wood, paper, or whatever your going to use for a carbon source, IN the potassium nitrate (mixed in the liquid of your choice) for a week or so. the idea is to actually get the nitrate INTO the carbon source, as opposed to get it NEXT to the carbon source. thinking about this a little more, you would likely have to evaporate the water off, so that the potassium remained in the wood, instead of getting poured ot. so it would likely be a 2 week ordeal. a second thing went through my brain a minute later. that pressurizing the soak (like they do with treated lumber, might help this process as well. you would have to do that with a powder that you already have a good amount of data for, so you could get a good comparison. one thing that i thought of that may be a trouble spot, is the smoke from the charcoal might TOXIC. so that might be a real issue.
you should try microcrystalline cellulose (refined wood pulp)
I made my own damm video…..and it sucked! So I guess I’m back to your channel. Love the content 😂
I'm sure the manufacturers are very "precise" in the production of large quantities, & little errors at this level would have less variation in performance than small lot errors. like we can do... (its why we had to carry the decimal point out 4 places in pharmacy school calculations regarding med preparation)
For some reason, I am fascinated with the difference the carbon source makes. I look forward to every new video to see what you are sharing. Thanks! Phil
I would love to see you try Paulowina. I read years back that it made the "best" charcoal for black powder.
Great video but what was that, that I saw at 8:24? You had the ram rod in your hand and a strange mist appeared and absorbed the ramrod!! No other way to describe it!!
I've been burning cottonwood in my fireplace for 5 years while I put cedar in the can for charcoal.
Could it be that the balsa for whatever reason enhances the combustion of the more complex hydrocarbon chains in the slower burning powder? If so, then you would get more energy and cleaner combustion than the slower powder on its own. Along the same lines of thinking, the balsa may be slightly fuel starved and the cottonwood slightly fuel rich and the two reinforcing each other. Or it could be the milling time...
How about:
Pistachio husks?
Coconut husks/Coconut fiber?
A historic favorite charcoal put to the test. And, now the making of charcoal is more standardized too.
What's worth doing is worth doing right.
I am one of the ones who suggested Cottonwood, it is my choice . If you have a .58 cal or a .75, try it in those. It shines in the big bores. My Cohern Mortar loves it too.. fortunately, it grows all over my property. Also, try the smaller trees and branches, not the core wood
Willow, Aspen, and cotton wood are all related. No surprise that they perform closely equal. I like aspen myself. It was faster than the toilet paper bp i made.
I bet Swiss has far more precious processes. Could be wrong. I never worked there after all.
Dang...got a lotta cottonwood around here so I was hoping it would be at least a little better than goex in some way...
Am gonna make a stainless steel can to see if that makes a difference...anyone tried that? We got corncobs coming out our ears around here and there is an "invasive" species in Hawaii called the "gunpowder tree" ... might be fun to try to get ahold of some of that...
Question, is it better to use cottonwood sticks or larger chunks? Does it even matter? I'm guessing sticks up to 2" diameter?
Glad too see a use for cottonwood other than stealing water from crops.
It didn't suck, I pressed the like button and I am already subscribed! It seemed like a solid powder and I saw very few sparks flying out of the barrel compared to some of the others. Another great job! Thank you for the effort!
Thank you
not a request Jake just passing on info i picked up here of late i talked to a Seminole Indian at a reenactment last weekend and he told me his people would sometimes use Spanish moss to make their powder charcoal! the cheech and chong stuff may have went over as well as finding out your wife barb was named bert before the operation because chong is rabidly anti gun!! by the way using tallow lube in these?
You guys need to start smoking weed.
(if you don't already)
Fascinating..... your research is savimg me (and I am sure many others) a lot of trial and error... 🙂 x
I'm shooting black powder cartridge rifles. If you'd be interested in trying dogwood I'd send some de barked dried a day cut to fill a paint can .
I made some videos on some powder i made using activated charcoal, cocoanut fiber. Worked well enough, a bit dirty tho.
Curious as to the velocities, if you happen to be up for making a batch of it. Convenient way to get a lot of already burned and ground up charcoal. Mine is just corned, I imagine your pressed stuff would serve much better.
I wonder how Bradford pear would do. It's considered a hardwood, but the stuff grows like grass.
Good work Jake, like olways! 😄👍
Thank you
Cottonwood. Now I have an excuse to cut down the old, old cottonwood tree on my property. Just hope it doesn't hit the older house some one planted it by, (not me, it was old when I moved there 44 years ago.)
Seems like you guys are zeroing in on the best carbon sources now. Now that you have the custom pyrolizer perhaps you guys could do a few time/ temperature experiments to see if there's anything there to be gained either in terms of charge strength or easier production.
I hope this makes your day. Most critics are anal retentive.
😬I didn't say you were a purist. I said I was not because I'd use liquid Alox or paint bullets🤠
I got lazy with shaving this summer too ha. Like the beard brother.
Cottonwoods grow everywhere around here and the seeds are like snow in the spring. Thank you for letting me know how well it works.
At the end, you were talking about someone with a surplus of cottonwood using it as a sub for other carbon sources. it made me wonder about making charcol in quantity and storing it to use as needed. How hygroscopic is charcol? Is it better to store un-ground or ground up. Assuming it absorbs a lot of moisture, should it be stored in jars, or would paint cans suffice? Enjoy your channel.
Making charcoal doesn't have to be complicated or expensive.
First you have to decide what it's for.
If it's for bbq you will want a dense aromatic wood like hickory, oak pecan or applewood.
If its for forge work it wont matter as much as long as you have enough of it to finish the job.
I make lots of it for my garden. I just set fire to a pile of random dry wood. When the flames start to die down i put out the fire with a hose. I wait an hour and soak it again. The next day i sift out the nails and trash through a sifter made of 2x4s and 1/2" rabbit cage wire. I store the charcoal in metal trash cans until i need it.
I have made charcoal in paint cans plenty of times. How dry you store it depends on what you want to do with it. Cookie tins, popcorn tins, mason jars will keep charcoal dry enough.
@@johnndavis7647 Thank you for responding. My concern was only regarding charcoal for black powder production, and how important it is in that pursuit to protect the charcoal from moisture and the best way to do it.
@@miketyke9451 my understanding is that you don't want the charcoal to be too dry.
Cottonwood in the PNW grows much faster(open pores) then Cottonwood everywhere else.
I personally use staghorn sumac wood as I can find it locally for free, and it suits all of my needs for lift in pyrotechnics. I would really like to see it stack up against other woods to see how well it actually does.
wonder if there would be a difference between black and eastern cottonwood we only have the black here we also only have black willow for the most part that im aware of besides some shrubby willow along the rivers i might jus go with that but seeing as to how black cottonwood grows everywhere here it might be easier to get
another interesting presentation , now that your ready to scrape the beard off leave you some mutton chops for a different look on the next presentation , cheers big ears from down under
The background music is nice and sets a good mood. If you could get Clint Eastwood to show up, that would be great. For those who would use the paint-can rather than build a Pyrolicizer, do you think there would be just more variability in the velocities? Also - I'm impressed with the accuracy of your rifle - thanks!
The velocities were consistent when we’re just used the wood stove but the fouling has decreased since we started using the Pyrolysisor
Time for me to start collecting Cottontail fluff and stalks to send to y’all.
You are the best at making BP
Have you ever tried Madrone, or even know what it is? I made a batch out of Madrone that slightly out performed Goex. I have no chronograph but was testing penetration through a 2X10 and then a number of 3/4" sheets of plywood. I was shooting a New Model Remington Navy .36 cal. After my first batch, I have not been able to duplicate those results. At the time I was comparing Triple 7 with Goex and my homemade Madrone. Of course Triple 7 won, but my Madrone and Goex was basically a draw, with Madrone doing slightly better.
I enjoy your videos on making BP, they are the most informative and the best on TH-cam!
Thank you. I have not tried it, or heard of it.
Great Video Jake!! You are definitely the Top Black Powder Expert. 👍
Thanks Benjy
here you got it !
cottonwood trolling lincolnites, like in the old days....
Always awesome information,I can nerd out on the information