Just wanted to say that this is a GREAT tip! Adding the AIR reverb type to the end of your chain on big reverb patches makes it so much more lush, rich and immersive when using it direct in stereo. So nice... Thank you @fabrocal!
I've had one for about 10 years and play in a jazz trio. I've been using it as a tuner and the Two Rock amp/cab for solos needing that Steely Dan mid-gain vibe. For my clean sound, I really like my Henriksen Bud, but I use a clean boost on the Zoom to punch it up a tad. I've been closely following digital multifx amp modeling across a lot of gear that I've kept or flipped. Funny thing is that for my needs, that one small and cheap pedal is perfect. Fits in my amp bag, not a tragedy if it gets stolen and is "good enough" for my purposes. JC is right that it is somewhat 2D....at home. But in a winebar it doesn't really matter to me. When I'm playing at home for fun or recording, I enjoy the depth that a lot of the new digital tools offer. But again, in a somewhat noisy winebar gig where we are tucked in the corner playing standards and pop-ish tunes, it covers the bases. Probably a good backup into a mixer for you guys that play covers.
I’ve had and have all the best pedals money can buy, but this little pedal can really do everything I need, mod, delay, and verb wise. It works fantastic with acoustic guitar as well. Cool little pedal to take when you don’t want to bring a whole pedalboard with you, and really fun to play through.
I use the Zoom MS-70CDR (chorus, delay, reverb) at the end of my signal chain. Same form factor as the MS-50, but with both stereo in and stereo out. Bang for the buck is outstanding.
I have the MS-50G and the MS-70CDR in series with a Joyo Compressor, Tech-21 Q-Strip, and TC Electronic Zeus in front. I keep wanting to upgrade, but I sit down and play and I realize there is no sound I can't get. (I run direct into a Tascam DP-32SD in stereo for tracking ideas) Sounds more than amazing with no amp hassle!
@@Nightwinflyer Just read your comment. I just started researching these Zoom Stomp boxes. I have a Tascam DP-24 and I'm running direct with no amp but with Behringer amp modeler at the end of my chain. I've been visioning the MS-50G into the MS-70CDR then direct into the Tascam like you. Are you using the 50G for your amp and cab sim?
@Haze763 - I did use just the Zoom for amp and cab. I've changed my home recording setup and primarily track dry into Cubase and use Amplitube and Helix native as I can tweak while I mix. I have recorded entire songs with just the Zoom for all guitar parts though.
Beautiful sounds mate. I've had the CDR version since its launch in 2013. It's know by many in the Electronic Music Community as a Synth Sweetener. Zoom has supported this series for ten years providing slight enhancements and extra emulation models. I think that's incredible. For a decade this budget pedal has been talked about, it's truly a musical... Swiss Army Knife. I'm still digging into these units a decade on. For experimental Artists it's a must.
I modded my MS50G to get the two Left/rigt buttons (besides the main switch) to be operated with an external footswitch. I placed the Zoom into the Loop of my HX stomp, so I now have easy access to up to 6 additional single FX. Works great and some of the FX do really sound well!
@@tsunamisantista6683 open it up and you´ll see the solderings of the mini switches. On each one, one is "signal" and one is "ground". Connect the ground to the ground of an external stereo jack and the other two either to ring or tip. Not too complicated but you´ll obviously will lose any warranty.
I just got a MS-50G a couple months ago and I love it. I plug it straight into a Headrush FRFR 108. You don’t need an amp or anything else. I think some of the amp sims are fantastic, especially the Matchless 30 and Two Rock. I add a Sweet Drive before it and a graphic eq, delay and reverb and it sounds amazing. Definitely keeping this pedal.
I have MS-70CDR and use it mostly for modulation effects. But when in shoegazing mood, 70CDR (all possible weird chains) -> Nemesis delay -> MXR M300 reverb -> looper. I could seat and play for hours. I think that for such low price it delivers pretty good soundscaping effects.
Bought the MS70 when it came out, 2012, stereo in/out as you noted, still has to be one of the best deals out there, including user configurable signal chain and easu access tuner just holding down the switch.
He's talked about how he already has released his own music, and it doesn't seem to garner much attention. I think its on BandCamp. Maybe he should make a second channel thats purely his music stuff?
@@pb25193 Thank you thank you very much! What a happiness it was to listen and relisten several times. John has a unique reading on music... and makes us want to be better guitar players. I see him as more than a guitarist!
I bought the Zoom MS-70CDR 6 years ago for general purpose FX work. Since then I was GASsing for the Zoom MS-50G I didn’t want to mess with the firmware (it IS possible to swap features between the 70 and 50). So this year '23 I finally managed to gather the spare Shekels to get the 50. I’m very pleased with it. I particularly like the character of Zoom’s ‘auto-filters’.
I have a modified MS50 in my board with a external footswitch to scroll left and right through the blocks and to access the preset mode. That makes this little guy a bit more overpower and very useful live. I get rid of all my reverbs, delays and mods pedals. It is a keeper for sure!
The talkbass forum guys turned me on to the Zoom multi pedals quite some time ago. Decades? Feels like decades ago. Fantastic little boxes. All it takes is playing through one.
John you make anything sound great. Of course A lot comes from your hands but your ability to tweak settings is super great too. If you don’t have a course on how to work with any modeler or multi purpose box you sho. I would certainly buy! Cheers
I have this and love it. My main pedal board is a full Strymon midnight board: compadre> riverside> Deco> Mobius> Timeline> Bigsky> Iridium (dubbed the Batboard)… I play professionally twice a week minimum, and this is all I use 20% of the time. Killer pedal. Don’t let cork sniffers (like me) tell you anything bad about this because a) it’s cheap b) it’s Zoom and c) it’s digital…. It is an amazing piece of gear. I once had someone ask if they could see my board because they were blown away by my tone. They almost didn’t believe me when I said this was all I was using. This one piece of gear is enough to go direct to a board or PA (or a back line amp) and give you more than enough for live performances. If I could have one pedal, this is it. And it runs on 2 AA batteries!
The Zoom MS 100 BT has been around for about three thousand years or so. Stereo I/O plus Blue tooth. One option I utilized was using the ms50 to split a mono guitar signal to stereo and then run that into the MS 100. I guess you could go crazy and put the zoom MS 70 between the others…
I bought one of these when they first came out, blew it up connecting to an old Hammond, replaced it immediately, and will probably buy the 'plus' model as soon as it comes out. I mostly use it as a single effect -- if I need some odd modulation effect, or a slightly different distortion than what's on my board, I use that. I also use it if I'm visiting and just want to bring a guitar and a small solid-state amp. The Zoom fits right in the guitar case, and gives me the essentials: a bit of compression, a touch of overdrive, a little reverb. I tend to use effects pretty sparingly, and at less extreme settings, they all sound quite good.
There’s an editor you can download for your computer. I use my zoom as my open mic rig. It uses AAs so I just pop a pair of rechargeable in and can just easily DI into the PA
Recently, I was lucky enough to get a new (still in its bag) MS-50G off eBay UK for £70. I have a large and quite complex pedalboard, with three “channels” on an EHX Tri Parallel Mixer (for “regular guitar”, “SY-1 synth” and “EHX Superego”), plus an OMEC Teleport for patching in my iPad. I’d been using a ZOOM G1 Four in the “regular guitar” channel, to give me modulation, drives, compression and occasional amp-sims (though my usual AC30-type amp tone comes from a VOX Mystic Edge). However, the MS-50G gives me much the same capability as the G1, is half the size, and the chaining-patches option is super-useful on stage. I do find patch-creation/editing very fiddly on the pedal, so I prefer to connect the MS-50G to my Mac via USB, and create/manage patches using the ToneLib Zoom editor app. Wish there was an editor which ran on my iPad, though… I guess you can’t have everything!
Love your playing - great phrasing. I think it's an amazing pedal for the price point. I think the gain sounds are just ok, but the delays and reverbs are very good. So overall it's just a compact multi effect pedal that can fill some holes in a pedal board, act as a good direct to PA back up if your amp goes out, or be a nice travel/practice solution. I am using mine for a compact pedal board to cover everything but the gain sounds. So basically this, a looper, and a few gain pedals. Simple and small for when I don't want to lug around the big board
I keep a Zoom MS-70CDR in the studio to patch into the FX Loop (in stereo) of my Helix floor, simply to get some of the stuff that is still missing from the Helix even at version 3.5 firmware. Reverse reverb for example - come on Line 6. Oh, yeah, the Mooer DTP Ocean Machine also has some slick FX that Helix doesn’t do yet. Cheap and efficient tools to get the job done. Edit: Yep there is an editor available for the MS-70CDR on the Mac too.
I am in Michigan without power. These little boxes (I have the MS100BT) are battery powered. Guess what I will be playing this weekend! There are some solid effects on these. The H9 is audibly better and I believe has much better (in fact brilliant IMO) A/D conversion which is very noticeable on attack transients, but still, these Zooms are very cool. Yeah - I never bonded with the amp sims either, but for practice they are adequate. Some of the modulations are very good, and feeding an octave-up into a verb in place of the 'shimmer' yields better results for that kind of sound. The fine-tuning is very coarse in many ways though.
I have the Zoom MS-70CDR, which is the non amp sim version. It has loads of mod, delay and reverb options. I use it in the FX loop an my guitar amp mainly for the delays and reverb. Really great value, sounds great, I love it.
Oh my, why would u think that?anyways, welcome to the family ☺️ zoom is like, heres the brush, heres the canvas...go make art 👍 creation is in the hand of the creator ;)
I have recorded 2 instrumental albums with the zoom G3. Great sounds and amp simulations and super easy to use. I also tried it on my real amp but it didn't work as well there, with a lot of tweaking it would work I think but with my stompboxes I have my desired tones within a few minutes. John, kudos to the great channel, your lessons and guitar playing are a great inspiration!
I have it near the end of my pedalboard. It's extremely useful where you ran out of room and want to use extra effects. Also, the stereo output is great if you have two amps. Last, it has really high quality sounds, good for many genres 😊
So first off it’s a 100 quid! it’s the same as a mid priced boss or MXR single sound pedal. That alone means more than one good effect makes it good value. It has plenty of useable to very good effects. The delays and verbs in particular sound great and because it’s stereo they can really shine. I’ve used it as a fly rig for a jam when I can’t be arsed to bring a full board, I’ve used it as part of my main rig in the fx loop of my JC22 (stereo loop) to expand my available sounds and I’ve used it directly into a recording interface. It’s very versatile, I’m also looking at a midi switch to make it more user friendly for potential live use.
I have the ZOOM G3 (not the G3N - which is basically a downgrade even though it came after G3) which is the same software but with 3 foot switches, I still keep it as this gadget is killer it can even run from pure USB power from your PC, while it acts as an interface as well for recording, try getting the Zoom G3 and you'll love it.
I have a Zoom B3 and it's the only pedal I use for my basses into my amps. I've gigged with it and it's amazingly a tough bit of kit and takes being banged about well.
I use the MS70 for delay, reverb, chorus and tuner. It’s a nice catch all. I mainly use it on my home board these days as I purchased an HX Stomp but I have gigged with the MS70 and thought the chorus, delay, reverb and trem work well. I never play in stereo so that’s not an issue for me.
It seems like this pedal has been around forever (because it has) and even now, it's sound, features and price never fail to amaze people. I wanted one when they first came out but never bought one (mostly because I'm stupid) .. I should reconsider, that particle verb sounds quite enticing (and something even my Headrush doesn't offer.)
I had one of these for a while then got the G1xon (same algorithms, I think) for more real time control via footswitches and knobs. Now I have the next generation g1four, just for the modulations, delays and reverbs. When I'm not being lazy I take the time to patch it into the FX loop. Great value for money.
The GCE-3 is amazing for home use - but you need to know the fact, the Cab Sim is "off" by default... no further gear needed since i use it - it was planed only for a month or so.....😅 greets from Germany
I found the effects quality very similar to the Line6 M5. I use it in a two channel true bypass looper like a dual amp setup. The ms50g as a JC-120 (with lots of effects), and a Tech21 RK5 for Marshall sounds.
I have all of them except the bluetooth one. There is a known high pitched noise issue when using a power supply but can be avoided using batteries, can't remember if certain isolated power supplies solved it or not. Side note, disaster area makes a usb midi footswitch that works with them.
Never noticed this on the MS100BT (which unfortunately does not respond to MIDI as far as I know, but others do.). I have run Rocktron/Voodoo Labs Mondo and even Boss PS/Truetone. But... it could be patch specific?
@@johnnathancordy Seems like a good entry point for someone like me who hasn't owned a proper effects unit before. Still a little bit overwhelmed by the variables, but I guess it will just take experimentation and time to learn how they work.
I figure since Line 6 came out with the POD so many years ago, everyone has hacked the algorithms of them as well as everyone else and all these modelers are basically the same. I own this MS-50G and it sounds great.
I really think you should swap it for the MS70 CDR. its the same pedal but no amp or cabs. just effects ( a lot more of them than the ms50) and also the ability to run in stereo.
@@ToneDeth. All I had to do was update the firmware of my CDR pedal, then load up the app to pick and choose what amp models/effects I wanted and save it to the pedal, as well as that arrangement to my computer to call it back up if I need it in the future. Simple dimple.
I have 2 of these bad boys... 1 for Front End, and 1 for FX loop and save $$$ + space. I use this w/ Mesa Express+50, so NO amp models or fizzy distortion's for me. It's perfect for recalling the specialty infrequently used sounds.
I own one. Great pièce of Gear. I use it for rehearsal plugged directly in the PA at Line level. I find the interface Very easy. Nice tones out of it. Particularly modulations inc. Rotary. ODs and DS are nice too. My only complaint is larsen with high gain amps or pédal. I will try with a DI box before the PA. Has someone faced the same issue ? Which solutions? Thank you for your amazing demos and playing!!!
Certo mano , esse pedal está no meu board e é o q vc disse é um canivete suíço, me salvou várias situações de palco e pubitos, a curva de aprendizagem é um pouco difícil no começo, mas depois q vc habitua com a funcionalidade do pedal ele fica especial como a sereja do bolo, já apelidei o meu ms50g de "minha H9" 😅,ótimo vídeo mano, continua fazendo esse ótimo trabalho tudo de bom sempre.
You really do make any pedal sound good. Props! While I agree that this can not compete with fractal or line 6, I have a zoom MS100bt, it has stereo in/out, a bluetooth app, and use the little guy as my comp, drive,preamp, and sometimes wacky verbs and delays. Cause, why not?.. My secret... I turn the cab on the amp block off and use a two notes cabm with it for my complete "amp" tone. This coupled w/timeline, ehx epitome, and neunaber verb, and I get great foh sound. For the price, this line of zoom pedals (MS) really can not be beat.. I think. 🙂
I love the MS-50G. 2 wishes: Proper MIDI capability and interface (I think you can change presets with the USB MIDI but you also need an adapter like the Disaster Area micro.ghost), Effects loop.
hi jnc, that’s a cool little guitar box! btw, that song and playing was some of the best Iv heard, don’t know you, never the less well done and cheerz brux
Totally enamored of your playing on this!!! How you so gorgeously meld emotionality with prowess escapes me. And I had ordered this pedal a couple days before watching your video, on a hunch that it would be „good enough“ for my intended purposes as a mostly acoustic player wishing to through in some electric and hybrid guitar on my sets, but a) without taking up much pedalboard real estate, and b) being battery-powered for busking or quick-and-dirty garden parties, etc. Indeed the rest of my board is battery-powered if desired (and the Zuma is mounted underneath for other situations). The search of an „all-in-one“ pedal of small size and big (enough) punch was very, very tiresome. I already own a ToneX pedal, among other things, but that‘s no good for battery operation, and who was to lug a 2.5 kg power station around just to be „light and mobile“? Enter the Zoom… Yep, this is sure to be a keeper when it arrives today. Sure, there are better modelers out there, but no other such all-in-one package that ticks all the boxes for me. Folks considering it in TH-cam Land are well advised to note that only slightly more recent videos demo it with the 3.0 (or higher) firmware, which includes additional amps and effects.
I had the Zoom MS-70CDR at the end of my board going in front of the amp (no fx loop), it was fine when used (many good effects) but was sucking my tone too much when bypassed.
Yes, this is my issue with the MS100BT, so I at one time used it with the Boss line switcher and brought it in only when needed. Worked great that way. I don' think I've ever done that with my latest rig which now has the ES-8. I have everything covered now that this can do, albeit at a lot more cost!
The G1Four is the same effects and more as far as I know. Looper, drum machine, headphone amp, awesome tuner and ton of effects. The only downside is the power of dsp that is limited and the IR that are not that good (cab sim done with eq) oh and dirt cheap.
Pedals are getting quite expensive these days, I have been gassing for a delay and reverb pedal for my amps. This may be an option in the loop, maybe?! IDK menus diving isn’t my thing. Sounds nice.
It could be - I guess you'd maybe just set the sounds up (with a couple of effects) and then set it and forget it. Whether or not it'd be as enjoyable long term as some of the posher effects I'm not sure, but it certainly seems like a pretty capable unit?
the menu system is quite intuitive once you grasp it. Even more less effort to manage your presets from a laptop via USB and then just tweak them where necessary with the pedal interface.
@@trebleboost7 And the Zoom MS drives actually sound quite phenomenal going into HX amps. They sound MUCH better than going into their Zoom MS amp models IMO. Definitely not to be disregarded.
I thought this thing was great. I sold it since I got an HX stomp, but I A/B'd them before I did and I was surprised how well it holds up. But I wish the thing wasn't so ugly.
The MS-50 it’s great, nothing but time-based affects I don’t really like overdrives in modelers I just love overdrive pedals too much… Really don’t care how good they are I’m just gonna stick with the overdrive pedals but as far as the time-based affects yeah I’m kind of made the transition so the 50 is perfect
Tried it....returned it. It's probably good for home but on the board, it's awkward - in a way, it's better as a desktop device. Switching patches isn't intuitive.
I do agree with this. Best used in a loop for a dedicated sound. Some do respond to MIDI though. But yeah, scrolling through presets can be done but yeah - awkward.
I have both MS50 and MS70CDR. The MS50 is always in the trunk of my car as a just in case backup. As a multi instrumentalist I often have to carry a small guitar rig as well as a trumpet and a sax for jam sessions. The MS Pedals fit in the gigbag, In one hand I carry a DV Mark little Jazz Amp (only 6,9Kg), guitar gigbag on my back, sax bag in the other hand and trumpet bag under the arm. Done! But there are so many (better sounding) options today. I prefer to use my HX Stomp. I also have a NuX Mighty Plug Pro, which sounds better than the Zoom and you can predetermin an order and number of presets you can scroll through. And I also have the NuX MG30 (basically the same sounds as in the Mighty Plug Pro but with a more convenient UI + IR import.
@@trebleboost7 , I believe it. After the Helix LT made it's way to me, haven't looked at anything else besides the Quad Cortex. It looks durable. Zoom stuff sounded decent so they know what they're doing.
I have both the ms50 and ms70. If you think it sounds 2D, add the AIR block at the end, it makes all the difference.
what's an air block?
Just wanted to say that this is a GREAT tip! Adding the AIR reverb type to the end of your chain on big reverb patches makes it so much more lush, rich and immersive when using it direct in stereo. So nice... Thank you @fabrocal!
@@edhombretv may I ask what type of reverb is that? sorry but I just heard it today. :D
Wilch model you like the most?
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It has a PC editor and You can load all the models of the ms50g into the ms70cdr. So you will have a stereo unit with amp sim.
yup.. works great.
Wow Máté, though I did uploadthe new models fot the 70, I had no idea you could do that! Muchos gracias!
Are you sure you can use all effects on the 70? Does it has a better sound?
The editor you need for this is not official. It let's you use effects of the other units using the same framework.
It is refreshing when someone makes a useful video expressing both their talent and the tools to get the job done.
I have the Zoom MS-100BT, which has stereo inputs!
I use it for Pre-EQ and for adding some special effects here and there.
I've had one for about 10 years and play in a jazz trio. I've been using it as a tuner and the Two Rock amp/cab for solos needing that Steely Dan mid-gain vibe. For my clean sound, I really like my Henriksen Bud, but I use a clean boost on the Zoom to punch it up a tad. I've been closely following digital multifx amp modeling across a lot of gear that I've kept or flipped. Funny thing is that for my needs, that one small and cheap pedal is perfect. Fits in my amp bag, not a tragedy if it gets stolen and is "good enough" for my purposes. JC is right that it is somewhat 2D....at home. But in a winebar it doesn't really matter to me. When I'm playing at home for fun or recording, I enjoy the depth that a lot of the new digital tools offer. But again, in a somewhat noisy winebar gig where we are tucked in the corner playing standards and pop-ish tunes, it covers the bases. Probably a good backup into a mixer for you guys that play covers.
I’ve had and have all the best pedals money can buy, but this little pedal can really do everything I need, mod, delay, and verb wise. It works fantastic with acoustic guitar as well. Cool little pedal to take when you don’t want to bring a whole pedalboard with you, and really fun to play through.
Exactly. No one can tell what delay or reverb you are using live in a band context!
I use the Zoom MS-70CDR (chorus, delay, reverb) at the end of my signal chain. Same form factor as the MS-50, but with both stereo in and stereo out. Bang for the buck is outstanding.
I have the MS-50G and the MS-70CDR in series with a Joyo Compressor, Tech-21 Q-Strip, and TC Electronic Zeus in front. I keep wanting to upgrade, but I sit down and play and I realize there is no sound I can't get. (I run direct into a Tascam DP-32SD in stereo for tracking ideas) Sounds more than amazing with no amp hassle!
@@Nightwinflyer Just read your comment. I just started researching these Zoom Stomp boxes. I have a Tascam DP-24 and I'm running direct with no amp but with Behringer amp modeler at the end of my chain. I've been visioning the MS-50G into the MS-70CDR then direct into the Tascam like you. Are you using the 50G for your amp and cab sim?
@Haze763 - I did use just the Zoom for amp and cab.
I've changed my home recording setup and primarily track dry into Cubase and use Amplitube and Helix native as I can tweak while I mix.
I have recorded entire songs with just the Zoom for all guitar parts though.
@@Nightwinflyer Thanks for getting back with me. Happy recording ✌
Beautiful sounds mate. I've had the CDR version since its launch in 2013. It's know by many in the Electronic Music Community as a Synth Sweetener. Zoom has supported this series for ten years providing slight enhancements and extra emulation models. I think that's incredible. For a decade this budget pedal has been talked about, it's truly a musical... Swiss Army Knife. I'm still digging into these units a decade on. For experimental Artists it's a must.
I do have a Zoom MS70 and it sounds great. I recently added amp sims from the 50g and its even better.
I modded my MS50G to get the two Left/rigt buttons (besides the main switch) to be operated with an external footswitch. I placed the Zoom into the Loop of my HX stomp, so I now have easy access to up to 6 additional single FX. Works great and some of the FX do really sound well!
how did you do that? any youtube tutorial?
@@tsunamisantista6683 open it up and you´ll see the solderings of the mini switches. On each one, one is "signal" and one is "ground". Connect the ground to the ground of an external stereo jack and the other two either to ring or tip. Not too complicated but you´ll obviously will lose any warranty.
I just got a MS-50G a couple months ago and I love it. I plug it straight into a Headrush FRFR 108. You don’t need an amp or anything else. I think some of the amp sims are fantastic, especially the Matchless 30 and Two Rock. I add a Sweet Drive before it and a graphic eq, delay and reverb and it sounds amazing. Definitely keeping this pedal.
I have MS-70CDR and use it mostly for modulation effects. But when in shoegazing mood, 70CDR (all possible weird chains) -> Nemesis delay -> MXR M300 reverb -> looper. I could seat and play for hours. I think that for such low price it delivers pretty good soundscaping effects.
I use two MS-50G's on my pedal board to run a wet/dry set-up. Can't beat em for the money!
Bought the MS70 when it came out, 2012, stereo in/out as you noted, still has to be one of the best deals out there, including user configurable signal chain and easu access tuner just holding down the switch.
Please: you need to compile these intros into tracks...
and release them on audio platforms.
Believe me: it will make us infinitely happy!
He has it on TH-cam music. "John Cordy". They are really good.
Also on Spotify
He's talked about how he already has released his own music, and it doesn't seem to garner much attention. I think its on BandCamp. Maybe he should make a second channel thats purely his music stuff?
@@pb25193 Thank you thank you very much! What a happiness it was to listen and relisten several times. John has a unique reading on music... and makes us want to be better guitar players.
I see him as more than a guitarist!
I bought the Zoom MS-70CDR 6 years ago for general purpose FX work.
Since then I was GASsing for the Zoom MS-50G
I didn’t want to mess with the firmware (it IS possible to swap features between the 70 and 50).
So this year '23 I finally managed to gather the spare Shekels to get the 50.
I’m very pleased with it.
I particularly like the character of Zoom’s ‘auto-filters’.
I have a modified MS50 in my board with a external footswitch to scroll left and right through the blocks and to access the preset mode. That makes this little guy a bit more overpower and very useful live. I get rid of all my reverbs, delays and mods pedals. It is a keeper for sure!
The talkbass forum guys turned me on to the Zoom multi pedals quite some time ago. Decades? Feels like decades ago. Fantastic little boxes. All it takes is playing through one.
John you make anything sound great. Of course A lot comes from your hands but your ability to tweak settings is super great too. If you don’t have a course on how to work with any modeler or multi purpose box you sho. I would certainly buy! Cheers
I have this and love it. My main pedal board is a full Strymon midnight board: compadre> riverside> Deco> Mobius> Timeline> Bigsky> Iridium (dubbed the Batboard)… I play professionally twice a week minimum, and this is all I use 20% of the time. Killer pedal. Don’t let cork sniffers (like me) tell you anything bad about this because a) it’s cheap b) it’s Zoom and c) it’s digital…. It is an amazing piece of gear.
I once had someone ask if they could see my board because they were blown away by my tone. They almost didn’t believe me when I said this was all I was using.
This one piece of gear is enough to go direct to a board or PA (or a back line amp) and give you more than enough for live performances.
If I could have one pedal, this is it. And it runs on 2 AA batteries!
The Zoom MS 100 BT has been around for about three thousand years or so. Stereo I/O plus Blue tooth.
One option I utilized was using the ms50 to split a mono guitar signal to stereo and then run that into the MS 100.
I guess you could go crazy and put the zoom MS 70 between the others…
I bought one of these when they first came out, blew it up connecting to an old Hammond, replaced it immediately, and will probably buy the 'plus' model as soon as it comes out. I mostly use it as a single effect -- if I need some odd modulation effect, or a slightly different distortion than what's on my board, I use that. I also use it if I'm visiting and just want to bring a guitar and a small solid-state amp. The Zoom fits right in the guitar case, and gives me the essentials: a bit of compression, a touch of overdrive, a little reverb. I tend to use effects pretty sparingly, and at less extreme settings, they all sound quite good.
I have a zoom ms50g and i used it last week. It sounds awesome direct to the PA 😊🙂
very true
I have larsen with high gain settings when plugged directly in the PA. Just my guitar and the zoom. Should I add a DI before the PA?
There’s an editor you can download for your computer. I use my zoom as my open mic rig. It uses AAs so I just pop a pair of rechargeable in and can just easily DI into the PA
Recently, I was lucky enough to get a new (still in its bag) MS-50G off eBay UK for £70. I have a large and quite complex pedalboard, with three “channels” on an EHX Tri Parallel Mixer (for “regular guitar”, “SY-1 synth” and “EHX Superego”), plus an OMEC Teleport for patching in my iPad. I’d been using a ZOOM G1 Four in the “regular guitar” channel, to give me modulation, drives, compression and occasional amp-sims (though my usual AC30-type amp tone comes from a VOX Mystic Edge). However, the MS-50G gives me much the same capability as the G1, is half the size, and the chaining-patches option is super-useful on stage. I do find patch-creation/editing very fiddly on the pedal, so I prefer to connect the MS-50G to my Mac via USB, and create/manage patches using the ToneLib Zoom editor app. Wish there was an editor which ran on my iPad, though… I guess you can’t have everything!
Wow, fantastic intro track! The moment when you switched to you blue k-line was epic!
Love your playing - great phrasing. I think it's an amazing pedal for the price point. I think the gain sounds are just ok, but the delays and reverbs are very good. So overall it's just a compact multi effect pedal that can fill some holes in a pedal board, act as a good direct to PA back up if your amp goes out, or be a nice travel/practice solution. I am using mine for a compact pedal board to cover everything but the gain sounds. So basically this, a looper, and a few gain pedals. Simple and small for when I don't want to lug around the big board
I have one, I never use it anymore. I found it was great to figure what I wanted on my pedalboard for analog effects.
I keep a Zoom MS-70CDR in the studio to patch into the FX Loop (in stereo) of my Helix floor, simply to get some of the stuff that is still missing from the Helix even at version 3.5 firmware. Reverse reverb for example - come on Line 6. Oh, yeah, the Mooer DTP Ocean Machine also has some slick FX that Helix doesn’t do yet. Cheap and efficient tools to get the job done.
Edit: Yep there is an editor available for the MS-70CDR on the Mac too.
I am in Michigan without power. These little boxes (I have the MS100BT) are battery powered. Guess what I will be playing this weekend! There are some solid effects on these. The H9 is audibly better and I believe has much better (in fact brilliant IMO) A/D conversion which is very noticeable on attack transients, but still, these Zooms are very cool. Yeah - I never bonded with the amp sims either, but for practice they are adequate. Some of the modulations are very good, and feeding an octave-up into a verb in place of the 'shimmer' yields better results for that kind of sound. The fine-tuning is very coarse in many ways though.
I have the Zoom MS-70CDR, which is the non amp sim version. It has loads of mod, delay and reverb options. I use it in the FX loop an my guitar amp mainly for the delays and reverb. Really great value, sounds great, I love it.
You can upload the amp sims if you want to, just search for the zoom effect manager software
there are places on the internet where you can find a tool to load basically all the different DSPs from zoom pedals onto the ms-70cdr
Oh my, why would u think that?anyways, welcome to the family ☺️ zoom is like, heres the brush, heres the canvas...go make art 👍 creation is in the hand of the creator ;)
I have recorded 2 instrumental albums with the zoom G3. Great sounds and amp simulations and super easy to use. I also tried it on my real amp but it didn't work as well there, with a lot of tweaking it would work I think but with my stompboxes I have my desired tones within a few minutes. John, kudos to the great channel, your lessons and guitar playing are a great inspiration!
I have it near the end of my pedalboard. It's extremely useful where you ran out of room and want to use extra effects. Also, the stereo output is great if you have two amps. Last, it has really high quality sounds, good for many genres 😊
Time to review the new Zoom MS-50G+ ?
So first off it’s a 100 quid! it’s the same as a mid priced boss or MXR single sound pedal. That alone means more than one good effect makes it good value.
It has plenty of useable to very good effects. The delays and verbs in particular sound great and because it’s stereo they can really shine.
I’ve used it as a fly rig for a jam when I can’t be arsed to bring a full board, I’ve used it as part of my main rig in the fx loop of my JC22 (stereo loop) to expand my available sounds and I’ve used it directly into a recording interface.
It’s very versatile, I’m also looking at a midi switch to make it more user friendly for potential live use.
I have both the 50 and 70. I don't really use the amp models, only the effects. Simply put, the effects are excellent!
I have the ZOOM G3 (not the G3N - which is basically a downgrade even though it came after G3) which is the same software but with 3 foot switches, I still keep it as this gadget is killer it can even run from pure USB power from your PC, while it acts as an interface as well for recording, try getting the Zoom G3 and you'll love it.
I have a Zoom B3 and it's the only pedal I use for my basses into my amps. I've gigged with it and it's amazingly a tough bit of kit and takes being banged about well.
G3/G5 don't seem to sound the same as the MS, it looks like Zoom went cheap on the AD/DA converters, just compare them
@@SuperMarcelloz you mean the G3 /G5 sound better than the MS ?
@@89digits59 don't take my word for it, just dial in the same amp and some effects, make the same chain in both and see. I've had them all
I've gotten absolutely stellar bass tones out of the G3, surprisingly
I use the MS70 for delay, reverb, chorus and tuner. It’s a nice catch all. I mainly use it on my home board these days as I purchased an HX Stomp but I have gigged with the MS70 and thought the chorus, delay, reverb and trem work well. I never play in stereo so that’s not an issue for me.
Try tonelib zoom for pc editor that will do the job . This pedal is my swiss army knife
THANKYOU
It seems like this pedal has been around forever (because it has) and even now, it's sound, features and price never fail to amaze people. I wanted one when they first came out but never bought one (mostly because I'm stupid) .. I should reconsider, that particle verb sounds quite enticing (and something even my Headrush doesn't offer.)
@TC Meris stuff is simply amazing. Great bit of info there, thanks.
I had one of these for a while then got the G1xon (same algorithms, I think) for more real time control via footswitches and knobs. Now I have the next generation g1four, just for the modulations, delays and reverbs. When I'm not being lazy I take the time to patch it into the FX loop. Great value for money.
The GCE-3 is amazing for home use - but you need to know the fact, the Cab Sim is "off" by default... no further gear needed since i use it - it was planed only for a month or so.....😅 greets from Germany
Also, think of these and set them up as a backup solution that fits in your guitar case in case your monster rig goes down.
Hey John, yeah I use it in HX Stomp effects loof for additional reverb, fuzz and there are a few nice ODs I think
Never used the Zoom products but i am genuinely impressed by the sounds you gave in this video. Worth looking in to!
The multistomps were my original foray into pedals. pretty brilliant pedals for the price
Johnny!! Was thinking of you yesterday haha!
I found the effects quality very similar to the Line6 M5. I use it in a two channel true bypass looper like a dual amp setup. The ms50g as a JC-120 (with lots of effects), and a Tech21 RK5 for Marshall sounds.
There is a a tonelab editor for the multistomp. Works great. Much easier the using the pedal
THANKS!!
I have all of them except the bluetooth one. There is a known high pitched noise issue when using a power supply but can be avoided using batteries, can't remember if certain isolated power supplies solved it or not. Side note, disaster area makes a usb midi footswitch that works with them.
I have no high pitched noise problems with either the mxr mini iso brick or truetone cs12. I do, however, run into noise when usb powered.
Never noticed this on the MS100BT (which unfortunately does not respond to MIDI as far as I know, but others do.). I have run Rocktron/Voodoo Labs Mondo and even Boss PS/Truetone. But... it could be patch specific?
Bought one of these after your last video on it. Very happy I did.
A really great little swiss army knife isn't it!
@@johnnathancordy Seems like a good entry point for someone like me who hasn't owned a proper effects unit before. Still a little bit overwhelmed by the variables, but I guess it will just take experimentation and time to learn how they work.
I’ve always been impressed with the effects pedals that zoom puts out. They’re very useable and they don’t cost a fortune.
Got one, works pretty well. Seems like pretty good bang for your bucks!
I figure since Line 6 came out with the POD so many years ago, everyone has hacked the algorithms of them as well as everyone else and all these modelers are basically the same. I own this MS-50G and it sounds great.
I really think you should swap it for the MS70 CDR. its the same pedal but no amp or cabs. just effects ( a lot more of them than the ms50) and also the ability to run in stereo.
Hmm can you load the Amps on or not at all?
@@johnnathancordy Yes you can with the Zoom Effect Manager v2. Update the 70CDR firmware first for best results and added features.
@@Majik53 wait what? We don't have to flash or hack it? They just let you load in the amps now?
@@ToneDeth. All I had to do was update the firmware of my CDR pedal, then load up the app to pick and choose what amp models/effects I wanted and save it to the pedal, as well as that arrangement to my computer to call it back up if I need it in the future. Simple dimple.
How many effect, modulación can you use at the same time. ???
six, but some take more dsp power than other (f.i. particleverb) and if you try to stack many of those it warns you with an "out of memory" message.
I have 2 of these bad boys... 1 for Front End, and 1 for FX loop and save $$$ + space. I use this w/ Mesa Express+50, so NO amp models or fizzy distortion's for me. It's perfect for recalling the specialty infrequently used sounds.
I own one. Great pièce of Gear. I use it for rehearsal plugged directly in the PA at Line level. I find the interface Very easy. Nice tones out of it. Particularly modulations inc. Rotary. ODs and DS are nice too. My only complaint is larsen with high gain amps or pédal. I will try with a DI box before the PA. Has someone faced the same issue ? Which solutions? Thank you for your amazing demos and playing!!!
Certo mano , esse pedal está no meu board e é o q vc disse é um canivete suíço, me salvou várias situações de palco e pubitos, a curva de aprendizagem é um pouco difícil no começo, mas depois q vc habitua com a funcionalidade do pedal ele fica especial como a sereja do bolo, já apelidei o meu ms50g de "minha H9" 😅,ótimo vídeo mano, continua fazendo esse ótimo trabalho tudo de bom sempre.
I had the MS100BT, regret I sold it. Worth mentioning: these pedals have midi, all you need is something like a Kenton MIDI USB Host!
DUDE! Mazin! We live in times that the tech is accessable. It's more about the player then the money!
You really do make any pedal sound good. Props! While I agree that this can not compete with fractal or line 6,
I have a zoom MS100bt, it has stereo in/out, a bluetooth app, and use the little guy as my comp, drive,preamp, and sometimes wacky verbs and delays. Cause, why not?.. My secret... I turn the cab on the amp block off and use a two notes cabm with it for my complete "amp" tone. This coupled w/timeline, ehx epitome, and neunaber verb, and I get great foh sound. For the price, this line of zoom pedals (MS) really can not be beat.. I think. 🙂
I had seen these and thought the exact same thing. It could offload some dsp from my hx stomp and just give me some extra options on the fly.
I love the MS-50G. 2 wishes: Proper MIDI capability and interface (I think you can change presets with the USB MIDI but you also need an adapter like the Disaster Area micro.ghost), Effects loop.
That intro song was so good need to be longer and released as a single.
Interesting - I don't remember seeing that?
hi jnc,
that’s a cool little guitar box!
btw, that song and playing was some of the best Iv heard, don’t know you, never the less
well done and cheerz
brux
Thinking about getting the two notes revolt this might be the ticket to but in effect loop definitely be a small foot print on the pedal board
Totally enamored of your playing on this!!! How you so gorgeously meld emotionality with prowess escapes me. And I had ordered this pedal a couple days before watching your video, on a hunch that it would be „good enough“ for my intended purposes as a mostly acoustic player wishing to through in some electric and hybrid guitar on my sets, but a) without taking up much pedalboard real estate, and b) being battery-powered for busking or quick-and-dirty garden parties, etc. Indeed the rest of my board is battery-powered if desired (and the Zuma is mounted underneath for other situations). The search of an „all-in-one“ pedal of small size and big (enough) punch was very, very tiresome. I already own a ToneX pedal, among other things, but that‘s no good for battery operation, and who was to lug a 2.5 kg power station around just to be „light and mobile“? Enter the Zoom… Yep, this is sure to be a keeper when it arrives today. Sure, there are better modelers out there, but no other such all-in-one package that ticks all the boxes for me. Folks considering it in TH-cam Land are well advised to note that only slightly more recent videos demo it with the 3.0 (or higher) firmware, which includes additional amps and effects.
I had the Zoom MS-70CDR at the end of my board going in front of the amp (no fx loop), it was fine when used (many good effects) but was sucking my tone too much when bypassed.
Yes, this is my issue with the MS100BT, so I at one time used it with the Boss line switcher and brought it in only when needed. Worked great that way. I don' think I've ever done that with my latest rig which now has the ES-8. I have everything covered now that this can do, albeit at a lot more cost!
sounds very nice - The Particle Verb
The G1Four is the same effects and more as far as I know.
Looper, drum machine, headphone amp, awesome tuner and ton of effects. The only downside is the power of dsp that is limited and the IR that are not that good (cab sim done with eq) oh and dirt cheap.
Nice lil' slap back delay and line splitter, everything else is useable but not overwhelmingly great. IMO.
Seems like a decent little effects unit for a mini pedalboard to unload some DSP off an hx stomp while still being smaller than the stomp xl?
Hi! I Can't seem to find the presets from this video on your "presets"-link. Do you have those, and if so is it possible to get a hold of them? :)
Pedals are getting quite expensive these days, I have been gassing for a delay and reverb pedal for my amps. This may be an option in the loop, maybe?! IDK menus diving isn’t my thing. Sounds nice.
It could be - I guess you'd maybe just set the sounds up (with a couple of effects) and then set it and forget it. Whether or not it'd be as enjoyable long term as some of the posher effects I'm not sure, but it certainly seems like a pretty capable unit?
the menu system is quite intuitive once you grasp it. Even more less effort to manage your presets from a laptop via USB and then just tweak them where necessary with the pedal interface.
is the Ms70 noisy? or is there tone lost issues with it? I've been wanting to get it.
Pls review the Zoom G5N
This or boss gt1? Which is the Best little cheap?
The AMP models sound great with HX Stomp's new cabs going after the models (with the Amp model's cab turned to OFF ofcourse)
Interesting. So many things to try, so little time. But...I might just try this.
@@trebleboost7 And the Zoom MS drives actually sound quite phenomenal going into HX amps. They sound MUCH better than going into their Zoom MS amp models IMO. Definitely not to be disregarded.
Would you notice the difference between Zoom and Strymon reverb in the mix?
Hmm...That's a good idea for a video.....
I love this pedal, you can "jail break" it too to get more effects. only limit is the dsp :/
Spam in board daylight :/
I thought this thing was great. I sold it since I got an HX stomp, but I A/B'd them before I did and I was surprised how well it holds up. But I wish the thing wasn't so ugly.
try the zoom g2 four. its zoom version of HX stomp. i heard the amp sims are excellent
The MS-50 it’s great, nothing but time-based affects I don’t really like overdrives in modelers I just love overdrive pedals too much… Really don’t care how good they are I’m just gonna stick with the overdrive pedals but as far as the time-based affects yeah I’m kind of made the transition so the 50 is perfect
Tried it....returned it. It's probably good for home but on the board, it's awkward - in a way, it's better as a desktop device. Switching patches isn't intuitive.
I do agree with this. Best used in a loop for a dedicated sound. Some do respond to MIDI though. But yeah, scrolling through presets can be done but yeah - awkward.
I have both MS50 and MS70CDR. The MS50 is always in the trunk of my car as a just in case backup. As a multi instrumentalist I often have to carry a small guitar rig as well as a trumpet and a sax for jam sessions. The MS Pedals fit in the gigbag, In one hand I carry a DV Mark little Jazz Amp (only 6,9Kg), guitar gigbag on my back, sax bag in the other hand and trumpet bag under the arm. Done! But there are so many (better sounding) options today. I prefer to use my HX Stomp. I also have a NuX Mighty Plug Pro, which sounds better than the Zoom and you can predetermin an order and number of presets you can scroll through. And I also have the NuX MG30 (basically the same sounds as in the Mighty Plug Pro but with a more convenient UI + IR import.
Hi Nathan time for a new video ms 70 cdr+😊
i run 2 ms70 and ms50s
Are you a Martin Miller fan by any chance?🤔
my ms70 cdr never left my board
what about two hx stomps back to back lol
Guitar check: is this a Prestige? What model? I’m slightly GAS-ing over it!
It's an AZ premium!
Play it into a real Tube Amp !
I sold one of these for €50. Very sorry I did
I reckon you could pick one up for about the same? They seem quite plentiful!
Does this count as zoomer gear? 😂
Zoom could be better. They were one of the first brands to do modeling. Now, they're far behind Kemper, L6, Neural DSP etc.
Profound comment.
Yeah - but.... These are still quite a value and still useful beyond being an initial 'gateway' purchase. Solidly built and very well thought out too.
@@trebleboost7 , I believe it. After the Helix LT made it's way to me, haven't looked at anything else besides the Quad Cortex. It looks durable. Zoom stuff sounded decent so they know what they're doing.
@@eadsinstrumentsllc And then the ToneX arrives. Sigh. Stop it you manufacturers!- I want to be done! And my wife does too....
@@trebleboost7 , 🤣😂
hotone xtomp is comparable.
Love mine, it’s just soo bloody ugly
I own the MS70 use it as a wildcard. Love it despite having the most counter intuitive menu
if these are good enough for bill nelson then they are good enough for me.