Is Belgium about to break apart?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มี.ค. 2023
- The potential division of Belgium is not a new concept, as the country is deeply divided both linguistically and economically. The northern part of the country, Flanders, is predominantly Dutch-speaking, while the southern part, Wallonia, is predominantly French-speaking. There are also two German-speaking communities in the eastern part of the country. This linguistic divide is further complicated by an economic divide, as Flanders is much wealthier than Wallonia, with a GDP per capita nearly twice as high. This is due to Flanders' strong technology industry, while Wallonia's traditional coal and steel industry is in decline.
The Belgian government in Brussels is aware of the problem and has tried to take a neutral position, but with limited success. Many solutions have been proposed, including the division of Belgium into two new independent states: Northern Belgium and Southern Belgium. Alternatively, it was suggested that the Dutch-speaking part of Belgium become part of the Netherlands and the French-speaking part become part of France.
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Everyone is gangsta till the German-speaking part decides to annex itself and all of Belgium
4th Reich
Lmao😂😂
haha
Nah it would declare independence from Belgium and then annex Germany and Austria as part of better Anschluss
@@monokumaxd1943 so this time it would be a Belgium painter who starts a world war😅
Secret ending: Luxembourg annex Belgium
Luxembourg should unite with Wallonia and become the capital.
Revenge ending: drc annexed Belgium
Secret ending: Luxembourg annexes the belgian province of Luxembourg
Secret ending: Luxembourg gets the German part, France the French and the Netherlands the Dutch.
Best ending: Belgium re-annexes Luxembourg, Limburg, North-Brabant and Calais.
As a Belgian I laughed at this. If you for a moment think our circus politics will make something happen in such a grand scale, the pope will fly.
Have you heard of a thing called a plane?
So i see that also Belgium, and not only Italy (my country) has big political and economical problems between the northern (i live here) and southern part of the country... also in Italy, north is wealthier than south, and there are so many differences, but no one of our useless politicians have proposed in DECADES a fucking solution to this inequality, this is so frustrating
are you from Wallonia or Flanders?
@@michelesoldi85terestingly enough, both the UK and the US have had a serious North/South cultural-economic-political divides on the past. The US divide is close to it's historic North/South, in that the former slave states plus a few others are still authoritarian and socially conservative. It's almost a perfect match up in terms of the former slave states rolling back abortion access and LGBT rights. Unlike normal places where stuff is divided by language or industry, our country is divided by those who want the government in our Dr offices and bedrooms, and those who don't.
@@rickwrites2612 yeah, the historical division in US is also very interesting, there is so many cultural differences also correlated to the big civil war of 19th century... but also US is a federal state, and every US state has a good amount of self-determination in the law system. In italy is similar from some points of view (we're not a federal state, sadly), but the cultural differences have so ancient origins, cause until 1861 Italy was divided in a big number of small states, that were existing for centuries! That's why the differences between north and south of italy are so big, we're an agglomerate of small states with settled laws and culture that is semi-impossible to combine
Belgium isn't going to break up. They can't agree to do anything, including that.
To be fair, out of everything, I'd say splitting up your country is one of the most difficult things to agree on
@@floriandebontdelbarre2700I am from flanders and for me it’s either staying belgian or teaming up with the Netherlands. But I don’t see indipendence working. We’re already so small. I like our king and I like brussels so I guess I like to stay Belgian. Although the Netherlands are great too
@@Arthur-gs2jr From us southern people, we can't see ourselves being absorbed by France. The sad thing is that our political learders (including from Flanders) can't find a way to cooperate. The governement prevented multiple big deals from being made in Belgium leveraging Wallonia's infrastructures and expertise. Instead big pieces are made in Italy or so. And I'm sure our leaders don't do better. We have way too much institutions feeding politicians down there.
@@Arthur-gs2jrwhy does it even matter when you’re all part of the EU. Belgium is barely a country anyway
Good point 😂
Belgian here, we hate our neighbours more than we hate each other so we're okay fr
Yeah we hate our neighbours but I don't want to target anyone all I can say is that their country has the letter F R A N C E in it
Fr
Same here, but only the south part. Saying hi blondes from the Netherlands.
We gaan jullie koloniseren 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱
@@terryadavis3458 Eww waarom zou je ze willen hebben?
As a Belgian I can confirm we're unhappy with the current state but we hate all the alternatives even more
I don't see see anything different if Flanders would get independent. We wouldn't lose any wealth because it's already the wealthiest part of the country. Many laws are already at a state level, so it's just choosing if we keep all the federal laws and constitution or see what we change.
Wealthier I don't think we'll get because as soon as Flanders can use the money that's being wasted in Wallonia, the Flemish government probably just finds another way and excuse when all that money won't be used for anything special. They only can't blame it on Wallonia anymore, but the people won't see a single eurocent of it.
@@dennisengelen2517I think you forgot the part of who of Belgium invested the money into the industry that makes the flanders wealth :)
(Need to add about money being wasted in Wallonia, 1st Flanders makes less of the Pib of Belgium than Wallonia(90 vs 115B), second they have a lot more gvt spendings than Wallonia(ratio of19 to 15, more or less the same if you take it with language spendings), check your facts before talking
If flanders would join the netherlands it would be a massive economic power house with 2 main harbours for europe, Antwerp and Rotterdam
@@L-21 We understand this very well. Antwerp, Bruges and Amsterdam created the wealth and invented the modern world as we know it. Not only Bruges and Antwerp. Also Amsterdam bc most of Antwerp fled to Amsterdam when the Spanish conquered Antwerp and contributed to the Dutch golden age. We have always been successful. We invented Tomorrowland as cooperation between Flanders and the Netherlands. Our music shaped Europe many times. Our agriculture and industrial innovation. We are the s***
Every other alternative is better. Us, Flanders are creating a socialist, communist dictatorship by giving Wallonia billions and have their politicians sell them a fantasy with our money. That's what's keeping them down. If we love them, we must leave them. Fast.
If I had a euro for every time I was told Belgium was about to break apart I could have paid off our national debt by now.
ok, but at least in absolute numbers polls now place VB as the nr1 party and PTB/PVDA as the nr 2 followed by PS and NVA both at 20% of the national polls
offcourse the vote of a fleming is currently worth less than the vote of a walloon, which offcourse contributes to the division so the leading flemish parties are underrepresented
(all this assuming that politico did not account for the crazy electoral system of Belgium, then again these polls would have been based on polls made by Belgian pollsters so it may allready be adjusted)
no matter the case people are allready angry about the continued exclusion of VB and in an effort to hold up the guise of it being fair PVDA/PTB ( which is crazy given that only the latter still maintains open and active ties to extremist regimes and groups)
(no cordon sanitaire should exist at all though, maintaining one is objectively a repressive and anti democratic conduct)
and lastly, if you want Belgium to survive, which I have come to edge towards it's very simple
money transfers must be made low interest loans requiring a plan to be presented for how the money is to be spent.
pro Belgian activists should focus their attention on Wallonia which does not even make Dutch a mandatory and primary course in Highschool, whilst Flanders does do so for French. Walloon media should stop actively promoting anti Flemish rhetoric, Flemish media does not do so towards Wallonia
It's as easy as using common sense and putting in some effort, but the mere suggestion of enacting such policies would offcourse hurt walloon parties in the polls,
@@istoppedcaring6209Dude, Flemmings are more than Walloons, they literally have a bigger voice than us.
The only thing stopping Vlams-Belang (The fascist one, btw) in the government is the "coalition must represent 51% of voters" and Wallonia's sanitary cords against fascism (which, I saw people talking about living in a commune where VB was directing and all I remember from those is "fear")
(the extreme left (communist) fail by itself so they're no need for them)
Which, by the way, my reaction to flemmish fascist is "Hope you'll stay in Flanders and drown when the sea level rise".
Not for the actual nice ones that don't agree with hate speech.
Fr 😂
nah fr
Regarding the part about languages : Dutch is going to be mandatory before high school (starting from the 3rd year of primary school). But in my opinion all schools should be immersion schools from day one, so kids are bilingual at an early age.
As a Belgian I can assure you our politics is all bark and no bite :)
Ever heard of italy's 😎
I’m American, so is ours! High five 🖐️
Enzo for prime ministre of Belgium. He’s a Belgian Malinois. He barks and bite. 😂
Trust me: Belgians are the nicest people in the world until you ask their opinion on the Dutch and French. Ain’t gonna happen mate
I heard that Belgians are really racist though. Especially towards non-whites.
But they are French or Dutch, Belgium has no original culture
@@prussiaball1871 The Germans would be happy to provide it 😈
I live on the border, and despite what some will tell you, they hate eachother more than anything else. I've seen people in flanders asking if I was waloon (Im french) and got friendler when I said no.
@@prussiaball1871 Flemish culture is different from Holland's culture. There is more to culture than language.
“Belgium will divide itself!”
Said people across centuries, despite it NOT dividing…
Exactly lol. It's like French diplomats in the 19 century : "It will break appart any day now, and we will probably get it right ?"
Real
Constitutional-tehnically it is near impossible to divide Belgium… Until the first 10 000 deaths in a civil war. Belgium is an artificial invention which has to brake down because it has no soul.
@@benjamingregoire7804 “Neen.”
True
I am from belgium and I study political science here. I have a few issues with this video. This discussion in belgium is also 99% of the time about Flanders and Wallonia so I will focus on that:
1. In the past Wallonia had the stronger economy and that didn't lead to the breakup of belgium so why would it now.
2. I have no idea where you got those "solutions" from. The solutions in this video are not the ones being discussed. There is an ongoing discussion abt how much power the regions of belgium should hold with one party, Vlaams Belang, wanting flemish indepedence.
3. Brussels is a crucial part of this discussion. Both sides claim this as part of their region and it is economicaly one of the best regions in Belgium. Nobody wants to lose Brussels. I think that as long that is the case, Belgium won't split.
Or just start migrating there and push the French speaking people out. Seems to work for some other people in some far away desert country i dare not name. We’ll be generous, we’ll only take Brussels, they can keep the rest. 😅 (i’m not being serious of course)
I agree. Belgium is certainly not the most unified country in the world, but the situation was much worse in the past. I believe around the mid 20th Century there was major violence between the two sides due to economic disparities, but even then Belgium still stands.
Not only Vlaams Belang want a independence Flanders, more and more other politic parties want that... Belgium will split in the future!
Si tu savais le nombre de conneries que l'on trouve sur ce genre de vidéo... Faire des vues pour du fric, peu importe l'exactitude du contenu. Spécialement quand ce sont des vidéos américaines. Tu remarqueras que l'on trouve souvent des vidéos de potentielles séparations de pays faites par des Yankees. Par contre, pas une seule sur l'indépendance voulue au Texas. Divide and conquer...
" 1. In the past Wallonia had the stronger economy and that didn't lead to the breakup of belgium so why would it now. "
Indeed in the past the Wallonian did not want to break up but the problem is right now, the selfish and greedy Flemish want to break apart. They feel superior maybe because they are not latin. they think they belong to a superior race or culture.
Don't underestimate the German speaking eastern part.
Yes we do
Germans are meh.. now
Bosnia: "first time?"
There are 69 likes
I ain't touching the button
*sad bosnian noises*
Sudan n south sudan: 😅
@@Kommanderabdulghani Civil war
Republika srpska moment
secret bad ending: they all go back to the spanish crown
Damn... not another Spanish Fury.
how is that a bad ending? lol
@@manuelmurielcagigal9971because Spain
@@manuelmurielcagigal9971 Spain does not have a good enough party to rule, also just popping up between France and Germany would be weird. If anything Spain should wanna stay as far from there as possible.
@@manuelmurielcagigal9971 because no one wants Spain getting more territory. Also their laws and economy aren’t the best
As a Belgian I can confirm a problem exists but it is mostly at the political level and or educational level . There is a large unknown on both sides of the linguistic border most or many do not know much that’s happening in the other side of the linguistic border . Concerning the idea of an alliance with the Netherlands for the Dutch speaking part of Belgium we did not kick the Dutch out of Belgium in 1830 to go running back to them any time we are Belgian Dutch speakers that’s where any common point ends the same for Walloon speaking French . When it comes to being one country and one people under the same flag the Belgians have shown they can work together . During the heavy flooding a few years ago the Dutch speakers in Belgium came to the rescue of their French speaking brothers and sisters . We should aim for a fully devolved country and anyway of you think the problem of Jerusalem is impossible to solve wait until you start trying to solve the Brussels issue should Belgium ever be split in two countries .
what do you mean there is a "large unkown" ?
like people dont interact as much with each other? well yeah no shit it's hard when you cant understand eachother
The french kicked out the dutch in 1830
"Friends"
@@user-kg7zr3yl3n It comes down to education . The large unknown is the pupils are not told what is on the other side of the linguistic border . Ad to that most Walloon do not even lien Flemish at school many Flemish do speak some French . Anyhow we have national elections next year I expect the Flemish citizens to vote on the right side of the political spectrum and even far right and in Wallonië to the left part of the political spectrum and extreme left so forming a new national government will be impossible so a fully devolved system will have to be put in place . Remake to be seen if that will not be the next step to split this country in a friendly way in to two counties .
@@princebunnynutz8082 The Belgian revolt against the Dutch started in 1830 in Brussels . This was done with support of the French and General de Merode as well with some help of the Brit’s . These two countries did not want a strong and large Netherlands but ad to that Belgians are profound Catholic where as the Dutch are Protestant . The what we today call Belgians did not want to be ruled by a Protestant king .
"Lets split the country in two!"
"Sounds great, what names shall these two new countries have...I mean these two new countries would line up with two historical reg-"
"North and South Belgium"
"What?"
"You heard me"
So... Can we get the German speaking part?🙃
I mean, we could also ask for Elsaß-Lothringen Back then. No? And how about Königsberg while we are at it.
@@hazedom6802 we could try
As a french I have to oppose, each time you guys planted a flag in Belgium we had to do the same in Paris 😒
No because it would give Lebensraum vibes 😰
@@danax6653 THAT, is a sacrifice im willing to make
Interesting topic, although it would be weird to have no Belgium at all, while also having two Berlgium is also frekin weird.
Yea definitely
It will likely not happen because wallonië needs the part of flanders. And the walloniëns don't want to join France. And wallonië can't survive alone.
@@GeaeStudios Yeah idiot but it's Vlaanders who wants to separate
Well we have 2 Koreas, we had 2 vietnams, we have 2 Sudans and we have (kinda) 2 Chinas
@@GeaeStudios Flanders does want to join the Netherlands and the German speaking communities do want to join germany
Bro didn’t even answer his own question
Here in India each state has it's different language...now i can imagine how tough this is to bind a country when there are more than 500 languages altogether
Papua New Guinea
If it wasn't for the British, it wouldn't even be a single country, but a patchwork of states like Europe.
I don't know about the languages in India. But frenches and dutches last shared ancestor was around 4200 years ago
There's a reason why India is called a sub continent. The scale of Belgium doesn't even come close to it
When I was 16, at school in London in 1979, we studied Exactly these issues in depth about Belgium as described here today. I was 60 a month ago. Glad to see progress has been made. Well done Belgium 🇧🇪
Are there any sources you know? I'd love to read more about it
There is no progression. That is the belgian solution: do nothing and ignore the problems who become bigger
Ditto.
@@koendc1979 That's what I meant...45 years and absolutely no change! 🤣
@@koendc1979 that's just a lie.. Much has happened. Over the years Belgium transferred many responsibilities over to the regional governments. It became a federated state after 6 major state reforms spanning over 45 years. Even the constitution was appended so that its first article reads something like "Belgium is a federal state, composed of communities and regions". Belgium hasn't split up but that doesn't mean there isn't progression. It just means Belgium took another path
As a belgian, I can confirm that there is a conflict between Flanders and wallonia, because of money they make, but they would never break appart, they have still a good relation. It's not like its a civil war...
"Flanders gdp per capita is nearly twice bigger than Wallonia's" Flanders : 44.400€ Wallonia : 32.000€" maybe Flanders gdp per capita is bigger but clearly not twice bigger
@@Silence_stpYT shorts is the perfect space to fill your brain with bullshit
You also forget wallonia spends less than flanders while making more of the PIB(not putting bruxelles in one or another category as it’s french speaking but claimed by the extremist flanders as theirs( probably because it makes 3 times what they make in the whole region))
@@L-21 But Brussels is francophone....
@@mikicerise6250 indeed but it’s not even the matter, if we count that French Flanders would still be hunter gatherers mate
Rest of the world needs to keep out of the problem, At the end of the day their still Belgium, they have a long history of unity even in the face of overwhelming aggression.
Ngl Flanders joining the Dutch looks really good on the map
Ngl the dutch getting conguered by belgium looks even better
Hell will freeze over first.
@@heliosjollywolf9552 hahaha in je dromen :)
@@heliosjollywolf9552 lmao hello delusional being.
Remember how belgium was made? We litterally took land from france, freed ourselces from france, freed us from the netherlands, and now we still live
After living in Belgium u realize that's not really an issue, they get along either way, flemish ppl love the Ardennes and walloon ppl shopping at the Meir lol
It's not because you like a region geographically or as a tourist that you like state money being wasted in an underdeveloped region.
@@dennisengelen2517 Vlaams Belang supporter?
@@Flynn.... Personnellement je préfère le vlaams belang et la nva que le PS, regarde l'état de la Wallonie aujourd'hui à cause des socialistes
@@dennisengelen2517 check the pib created by each region and the gvt spendings by region before spreading miss information
@Radical Cubes Well if they hate is that much why shouldnt our country split. Let them join the french
The idea of that North of Belgium would join The Netherlands, while the South would join France was announced in The Times newspaper. I forget the year, but the day was April 1st !🤣😂🤣
aww man :( i kind of want north belgium to join the netherlands
@@Bloxenbie 😬🤮
That's been a thing since Belgien gained it's independence, the split has been debated since before WWII at least
@@samitovv where you from buddy?
I like these creative country names like north Belgium or south Belgium. It really makes your brain think.
Better to use vlaadern and wallonia
@@historicgaming1856 we should do an iceland-greenland and switch them out
@@Random-ei2uo true
I love our Belgian neighbors like cousins …they have a great and unique sens of humor but not only …they are also genuinely cool 🇫🇷 ❤🇧🇪
🇧🇪🇫🇷🤝🖤💛❤️💙🤍❤️
Germany:In order to avoid a large-scale conflict, I decided that I will take this weight on my shoulders
Secret ending:Habsburg Family return And get Belgium
Thank for 1K Likes guys
I mean the flag is pretty similar, id bet no one would notice.
“Hey I’ve seen this one! It’s a classic!”
Yeah, but we all know what happened to the classics
What is happen? I hope you dont mean... 😳
@@stancucraciun3004 the remake kind of kills the franchise
Belgium will NOT break apart. Although it seemed highly likely like 60-70 years ago, belgium underwent 4 constitutional amendments which means that dutch and french are given special priority and everyone can live together peacefully.
PS: You forgot 1 tiny detail which accelerated the unrest in the 50s and 60s: The dutch make up the majority of the population at 59% but a minority in the capital at 20%.
I mean all Belgian ppl are a minority in their own capital, because immigration takes a big part of bruxelles population
Belgium MUST fall appart 🖤💛
@@allaindb1944 if it does then another world war will begin
@@jonathanfostier28 That's normal in every major city
@@allaindb1944 It won't lol
as a dutch person, i wouldnt mind some additional kolonisering
Meanwhile Germany patiently staring at Eupen Malmedy
Belgium has been 5 minutes away from breaking up for its entire existence
They are trying to make a decision, but they keep waffling...
Lovely stuff 👍
As a French living in the French Flanders, I don't wish them to separate, we Northern French always liked our close neighbors from beyond the border, Flemish or Wallons.
They should stay a strong unity with their own cultural differences, it doesn't have to be a choice between being French or Dutch, Belgium is a young country, but Belgians are people to recognize with their own Belgian culture !
Belgians get a warm welcome when they come here.
Are u Like from French Flanders next to Flanders Field near the coast?
If yes, how is flemish doing there? Ive once read An article in a Flemish News paper that they Will start giving Flemish again in the schools there, is this working out so far?
Btw i love going to French Flanders too, its so charmant and beautifull, and so… Flemish hahaha
@@dylan2478 Yes I am. It is secondary language choice, it's not mandatory
@@bonjour9047 très chouette
Try to be nice to Dutchies too. MERCI
C'est mignon comme tout❤
I've said it before and I will say it again. Belgium is an unhappily married couple with a couple of kids, a seaside apartment and a chalet in the woods. They stay together out of convenience because separating everything is too messy.
The situation is even worse in Brussels capital region. They say, you need to go through at least 5 legislations to change a toilet paper in Brussels.
Are you a Belgian ? Bruh life in Brussels looks like hell with administration, greeting from Namur/Namen
Its very corrupt😅
brussels, like most big "prosperous" capital cities, is a pit of hellfire for suckers to rot away in while they slave for the state
if you had the money to live out in the country instead, you would
as a belgian, i never heard about us getting divided in two. But yeah, the nothern and southern part are for sure not the same.
I see your type: you are from the southern part.
@@richardchiemerie9950 no im from the nothern up part
@@richardchiemerie9950 😂 Close enough
Ending: “And the French speaking part became a part of Fra-“
You didn’t have to cut me off-
My being from Belgium🇧🇪 :👁️👄👁️
Will likely not happen. People have been saying Belgium is about to break up for several decades now. Meanwhile both French and Dutch communities still live in pretty much perfect peace.
Ironically, the ones who want to break away from Wallonia the most are the ones who don’t even live close to it.
Blijven dromen! Hoe sneller dit land gesplitst wordt hoe sneller we over schulden kunnen afbouwen en hoe sneller we beleid kunnen voeren waar Vlamingen echt voor gekozen hebben. Bye bye potverterende Walen👍🏻👋👋👋
Belgium almost "breaking apart", and one of the reasons for that is being linguistically divided... I hope this won't happen to Switzerland anytime soon because we have the same thing, many different languages spoken in the country 🇨🇭😢😂
😂
Gaddafi's plan
You don’t have much to worry about. Belgium could break up soon, but it also might not. Even if it does, Swiss people have a much stronger identity than Belgians do lol
@@thecolorblue9609 I actually don't think you're correct there.
Switzerland’s national identity has been formed over many centuries and is much stronger than many countries without such an evident cultural divide. On the other hand, Belgium is a state that was artificially created by the European powers of its time to create a buffer between Germany and France, while allowing the catholic Dutch population of Flandes to have an independent state, free from the reformed rule of the Netherlands elite. The existance of Belgium is basically a historical curiosity, and their first king was offered the throne when they created the country because he was very well connected and had rejected the Greek throne.
Belgium never catch a break 💀
As a Belgian I can tell
Imagine your from southern part of Belgium and you wake up and find everyone speaking French
As if Belgium would ever join the Netherlands or France at own wil!!!
Think about it man de Bruyne and frenkie de jong on midfield sounds dangerous. France with Courtois also sounds scary af.
@@javierdespanjaard4384 courtois is not a francophone
@@user-xo1jz7pp7e i only ever heard him speak french so i assumed he was wallonian. thanks for pointing that out!
@@user-xo1jz7pp7e i dont know anything about soccer but courtois sounds like a French name to me
They'd probably join the French, they essentially are French
France is wondering if the neighbouring French speaking region will join the big family of France.
France would refuse. There is no reason to integrate an entirely different culture.
@@charakiga bretons, alsacians, occitans, chtis, basques and canaques: am i a joke to you?
@@charakiga they aren't different from the french though they are just as equally lazy
@@Lidavaz_ don't forget about all the arabs and blacks that came in recent years
@@titanenzubber3778 you must be so funny irl
Idc what Belgium does, I just want housing prices to become affordable again :(
brussels: ok kids calm down
We are all Belgian in this country 🇧🇪
Flamand ou Wallon on reste belges, ne laissons pas les partis politiques nous diviser
@@talktoputin6356 exactement 🇧🇪🇧🇪
The fact you're both speaking French makes me disappointed in you
@@prussiaball1871 shut you'r mouth
If you people cant exist together cause of language i think india pakistan will nuke each other one day
Germany: Belgium, do you need some help?
Yes please take another path to go to Paris next time you play with soldiers
Belgium after finding out their main partner and the country they share a navy with has a merged army with Germany : Oh godverdomme polpkoek
@@jeromeh7985 well Switzerland is too mountainous, in Belgium you have those flat roads
As a Belgian, i propose we take away all powers from the region and put all political power on the federal level again. Reason: everything that was directed to the regions (education, agriculture, care,...) has turned into a gigantic mess.
As an American hear me out, borders should follow linguistic and cultural lines? Self determination should obviously be the case though. I have watched so much stuff on Belgium trying to find a reason for it to exist but it always just boils down to Brits wanting a buffer state that makes almost 0 sense in any other way, could you give the the Belgian perspective of why Belgium should exist?
Too much federal power is never a good idea.
@@bodhinorris2735 Because it does?
@@bodhinorris2735 If I follow you. The usa should break apart, Canada too, Russia too,....
@@Silence_stp Russia probably not but arguable, Canada for Quebec yes, USA no.
As anyone who studied history would tell you. Keeping Belgium as a state is important to stoping a single country having hegemony over Europe.
Germany already has a lot of power over the EU. From a non European view I would say NATO(America) has more say about foreign affairs than the countries of Europe. Because fighting Russia to have expensive energy at home doesnt seem beneficial if you can expand economic ties with resource rich countries.
@@goshawk4340 wouldn't say that , the US and EU disagree on most issues in foreign affairs
Better for everyone in Europe to be USAs lapdog instead 😊
@@goshawk4340 Historically speaking you missed the point.
If Belgium splits and merges with other countries, that task would be carried over to the Netherlands.
I hope it won't be a Belgian civil war
If that happens its probably gonna be between belgians and immigrants
Almost impossible to happen. There is very little desire to split and even if there was, it wouldn't be enough to lead to violence.
Nah, Western Mainland Europeans are too pacified now days.
Unlikely to happen but if it does NATO will respond to aid Belgium, another thing which isn't exactly certain but if the uprising get anywhere near close to Brussel or attack, Article 5 gets activated.
I doubt that
#savethewaffles
#Brusselswaffels #WallonianWaffles
If the second part comes true they should give the German speaking part to Germany...
I'm Belgian, thank for this vlogs on my country. Official language is French and Netherlands. 🇧🇪
EU won't allow it.
Right of own determination
@@joelarchambault7950 EU isn't golden, but they can't show weakness
Tell me you don't know how the EU works without telling me you don't know how the EU works
@@mikegoossens359 This really goes to you.
@EnglishExpatTeacher are Losers,🚫⚫️ Your profile picture shows what you follow...
Netherlands: I brought you in this world and I am gonna take you away too!
If it breaks up then the map of the Netherlands will look goofy asf
Belgium is kind of a Frankenstein nation of Germany, France, and Netherlands, but it’s as good as it can get as dividing it would cause more, if not a barrage of other problems.
As a belgian i can say we won't split apart, there will just be more and more juristiction going from the federal level to the regional level (Wallonië, flanders)
Note; this dividing is only coming from the flamish part and even our flamish nationalist party's are no Longer pushing for independence but just the afor mentioned increased jurisdiction
Me who studied in class 10th NCERT that French speaking people of Belgium were more economically strong: 🤡
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They used to be, up until very recently (1980-1990) !
They where when coal and mining was a thing, but the north developped modern industry
Nah,we Dutchies don’t want Belgium. Fixing those roads alone will send is into bankruptcy.
No thanks.
As a Belgian, i can confirm that it is hell here about this topic XD
As a Belgian none Belgian will ever want to be reunited with France
Ça C'est certain !
Et on veut pas de vous non plus donc ça tombe plutôt bien.
Oh non pas les belges svp
@@PunSteR2023 on a jamais demandé à être rattaché à vous
@@AliMuhammad-xd1tj Certains militants si, nous on ne vous a jamais rien proposé.
Man screw that idea, stop diving nations so their neighbors can have more land and ppl. I know Belgium ppl have some internal issues but for such a developed and rich nation (on the global and European scale) I bet they can work something out if they really want to. And I say that’s the better option as Belgium has a lot of rich history and culture, and I don’t want to see the Dutch or French just take it and appropriate it
That’s it guys, we can’t have Belgian chocolate anymore
there's a reason we dutch people call it Zuid-Nederland
British making Belgium to annoy the french
Belgium breaking apart
British:💀
It wasn't just to annoy the french, it was also to prevent Germany and france from having a shared border which in 18th and 19th century Europe was a bad one
yes the politicians would like to cut Belgium in two, but not the people. " Unity is strength "
Flanders becomes The Netherlands
Wallonia becomes France
The German speaking areas become Germany and Brussels becomes a UK overseas territory lol
The two biggest political party's, in terms of votes, in Belgium are the party's who want Flanders to split off.
@@lightfootpathfinder8218It would be funny to see Wallonia annex France and Flanders annex the Netherlands
@@doktertjiftjaf5186Yeah but they don't get 50% of the population
@@Nautiliam they could break up into little dutchies like in medieval times
you can say that france would finally have its french fries
What ever happens in Belgium, please keep the yeasty beer flowing out from your country.
Strijder ^
Lol we never gonna break apart
Yes
You already did though lol
It's ironically similar to how they broke away from the netherlands
That revolution was based done because the Dutch king made Protestant the main religion and they thought he was neglecting Belgium and using the funding for the north, but fun fact, the spending went to his own pockets
Pls don’t break apart my lovely country
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In December 2006, RTBF (the French language radio and television broadcaster in Belgium) broadcasted some sort of hoax in place of their usual news program, where they basically said "Flanders has gained independence, mate". It got a lot of people worried, actually, even after they decided to add a "This is fiction" tagline 30 minutes in. The program was called Bye Bye Belgium, and uh... let's just say it was... controversial, to say the least. I've never seen the thing myself because I'm Moroccan, but this is still something that kinda needs to be mentioned. I personally think that Belgium without Flanders feels wrong.
Are you Belgian or Moroccan ?
@@Great_Wizard_ I said I was Moroccan in the comment, mate.
@@resolvanlemmy oh sorry my bad
@@Great_Wizard_ no worries
@@resolvanlemmy I am happy to see that people from others coutries are intersted in our country 👍
Met a Belgian guy about 15 years ago and asked a similar question about being French or Dutch or feeling unified.
About each he said "everything is just fine" which really made me feel it wasn't.
Instead of more divisions in Europe it would be nice to see it absorbed by the surrounding countries in which the people most identify.
Balkanization is always preferable. Breaking apart doesn't cause wars. It's the people preventing the breakup who cause the fighting.
Flanders is always welcome by the dutch. But they have to accept that we will make a little fun of their accent.
As long as we get the good roads in return im all for it
Te veel moslimen in Nederland
@@knowledge3207 we’ll see what we can do
@@amonde31 how about we all just come together and make fun of the Frisians
@@Bloxenbie Oh, shit
this is just pure craziness
This has been discussed since Belgien came into existence
The closest germany has ever been to expanding their country in a long time 😂
your username 😧
Always has been.
In other news: Betelgeuse is just about to go supernova.
So, what about Brussels?
pop is 80% french 20% Netherlands so Walloon logically
But the far right will want to claim it as without their « we are richer » doesn’t stand, Flanders makes less money than Wallonia while having higher gvt spendings, without counting Brussels in the calculation they are fcked lol
France 😊
@@mfc4987jamais vous aurez un pouce de notre pays.
Our politics are so complicated that by the time we would decide on a solution people will already think completely different and they'll have to come up with another plan for the next decades
Also unification with other countries is really not on the table cuz if there's anything that unifies belgians it's our dislike of our Dutch and French speaking neighbours
It would also ruin our national football team and that's the thing people feel the most patriotic about
Modern Europe when slightest of the problem occurs-
Let's divide
I knew that Flanders was richer but I didn't know the difference was that big. Wow!
Wow! Can you tell us how you made the maps for this vid. You gained a subscriber for that detailed map
It's wild to me that many people would rather fracture their nation than to fix it.
Eh, same thing in South Africa. The Western Cape wants to break away from the rest of the country because it's disproportionately more developed than the rest of the country. (Largely due to a lack of corruption that's wrecking the rest of the country.)
Can’t really fix an ethnic divide
It is a wonder anything happens politically in Belgium at all
I think Limburg should just form it’s own country, then I’ll die in peace
echt eh
I’m from belgium, it’s not the inhabitants hating each other it’s the government that is split up in 3 parts Flanders’s Wallonia and Brussels if they work together we could be one country but they are to naive😢
Honestly, I hope Luxembourg gets Belgian land of the same name. It just feels right.
Your economy’s gonna drop mate
@@julienmars9149 I know
You forgot to mention the Walloons are mad because historically they used to be the rich, dominant, governing part. Then in the 60s things turned around.
North and South Belgium?That would be amazing!North Belgium will have the same flag as Belgium and South Belgium will have it’s state flag!
Well , The original flag of Belgium used to be horizontal stripes just like the Dutch flagg.. the modern Belgian flag has vertical stripes like the flag of France.. So , I would use the first Belgian flag for Flanders (North-Belgium) and the modern Belgian flag for wallonia (South Belgium) , kinda like a reminder of their background.
@@ArienvanRijswijckde walen zijn niet frans. De walen haten de frans et de frankrijk. Frankrijk dat is een dom land.
I'm pretty sure the Netherlands would not even want to incorporate Flanders given the immense cost it would be to bring the infrastructure up to Dutch standards.
Don’t think you keep up with NL politics at all maat. NL would fucking kill to have ANY more land. If NL was the size of the German, French, Polish superstates, NL would be neck and neck with UK right now.
Its really only the government who would think of doing that and they wouldn’t get our support Flemish people like me love the Ardennes (went there for 4 days 2 days ago) shopping and Wallonië loves the Flemish coast so yea don’t think that’s gonna happen
You do know you'd both still be in the EU, right? You can just as easily take the 12 minute bike ride either way
Babe wake up, Belgium is "about to break apart" for the 100th time this year
We appreciate that you think we would actually get something politcal done
As a Belgian I can't tell you that while there is tension between our two communities, we aren't going to break apart any time soon.
But if it were to happen, I dont believe that Flanders would join the Netherlands and Wallonia would join France, we aren't part of those country for a reason, we may speak their language but we aren't the same culturally and it doesn't make sens either from an historical lens. Wallonia was never really been a part of France troughout history and Flanders was often separated from the Dutch because of French or Spanish domination. So both region don't really feel like they belong to their neighbors because they weren't really ever a part of those neighbors
We give you Limburg and Brabant, dont need em dont want em