Over the last few years the 14” gaming laptop has become a reality with thermal solutions able to tame a dGPU & high power CPU in a compact form factor. Now it sounds like it could finally be the turn of thin and light laptops to get the Apple Silicon efficiency rivalling CPU & iGPU x86 solution that we have been waiting years for. I just feel sorry for the poor Dell customers that bought XPS Plus laptops using prior generation CPUs. They’ve just been unpaid development mules for Dell! What will be really interesting when you get to test actual laptops is not only real world battery life but also performance drop on battery vs plugged in. I’m hoping we’ll see an improvement on Meteor Lake here as well.
I might, actually, but price is the big thing not mentioned yet, the price has to be good for the laptops to be worthwhile. Will Intel (and by extension, the laptop vendors) make the same mistake that Qualcomm has, by charging a ton of money for these? I suppose we'll see in a few weeks.
One of the Intel laptops was a Zenbook S 16, so Asus will again ship both AMD and Intel versions, which will allow a perfect comparison between the two. Can’t wait to see that.
@@Thetechchap Indeed. I noticed afterwards that the Intel was 14". Would love to see both chips compared on an exact same frame.... I need to buy one of these two.
From what I noticed; the CPU performance is barely above Intel 13th gen P series CPUs. However, the battery life and iGPU performance were massive jumps in performance. Keep in mind, Lunar Lake is for laptops. Not for desktops.
@@SamFigueroaapple’s M1 is ARM revolutionizing efficiency and battery life. these chips are planned and designed well before the snapdragon chips launched…
Glad to see that there's going to be true competition for AMDs Ryzen AI chips for those of us who don't want to jump ship to ARM. It really has been an exciting year for laptops. I just bought my first ever AMD laptop recently after using Intel exclusively for the past 15 years, but really glad to see Intel is keeping up and will be an option again in the future.
good video! the only thing i don't agree with is at 8:12 where you mention having an NPU right now is for future proofing. i'd reckon that by the time we do get usefull software for it and everyday apps get use out of it these NPU's. the current ones will be outdated and not up to spec. especially since the performance increases we are seeing year over year. anyway video is a thumbs up for me as always!
Windows Studio Effects was working with just 9 TOPS NPU in the Snapdragon 8CX Gen 2 SOC. The current crop all have over 40 TOPS in their NPUs, so there is quite a bit of headroom.
Just looking forward to having a new work laptop that: 1) lasts longer than 1.5 hours unplugged, and 2) doesn't have constant fan noise in the background!
Although with that power draw, I doubt the fans will stay silent. If you want x86 with near silent fans, get a laptop with 7840u or 8840u. The ones on the EliteBooks are super silent. Fan barely kicks in and low when it does. The battery life is just average though.
And especially, If you aren't doing demanding stuff and the fan still kicks on, that's Windows for you, went on a debloating toar with my 8th gen i5 laptop and haven't heard the fan since, battery life is much better and it so much more snappy, probably one of the snappiest Windows machines in my lectures, at least on battery power, but 8th gen intel vs M2 and M3, well yeah...
I am loving the competition between these companies as years goes on. Every company want to offer their very best as they are in competition with other companies and also themselves by making better iterations of previous chips. Although I am going to give the edge to Intel right now with their integrated RAM. That will help a lot with efficiency and integration. Performance will be a lot better and seamless.
@@Thetechchap Hi, I am looking for a good Laptop to start my coding career. Java Script. May you please do a video with suggestions of the best 5 laptops for coding? My budget is $2,500 USD.
@@benito91kumbirai26 You definitely don't need a $2500 laptop to code JavaScript. Save $1500 and get good dual monitors and a sit/stand desk and a great keyboard.
I just payed off my Surface Pro 9 (1255U w/16 GB). It's a sweet little machine. I'm getting a taste of the newer thin and light machines that are hitting the market. I'm fully in the X86 camp because of my profession and so I care a lot about what Intel does. So far, things are looking really good for my particular niche.
Great review! The only thing is at 4:47 you are saying "Fastest processor", which is incorrect. Intel claims the fastest single-core performance (see 1T/1-copy on the chart) and not overall CPU performance. Lunar Lake won't have the best multi-core performance, it's not designed to deliver it.
Oh snap....This is gonna make ALOT of things really interesting for the thin/light crowd as well as handheld crowd. Good. More competition is needed, and looks to be on it's way. Consumers win with competition. AMD has been ruling it for 5-6 years now in the laptop space.
First, thank you for the introduction of the Intel Core Ultra Series 2. Ever since I heard of the Intel Lunar Lake next generation of processors, I have been waiting for the actual product to appear. And now that it is here, I am so excited to hear about all the improvements and enhancements it will bring to Windows PC brands. I understand that what we will see and hear will be from Intel, but if this turns out to be as good as sounds, Wow. It is a wonderful time to buy a computer.
One of my big questions is how does it manage power efficiency while asleep and how quickly does it wake? Will I close my laptop and come back 3 days later to find it has lost 25% battery?
The OS is a big part of that and Linux and Windows were not very good at that in the past. I think we'll see big changes as now both Intel and AMD are finally pushing in that direction.
Man, is those numbers are even close to reality, we have a winner. Too bad my laptop is only 2 years old, I cannot change it yet. Even the onboard graphics seem to be on par with AMD which is great. On the other hand, I would wait for this technology to mature and see Intel 20a and 18a in play (this SoC is still made by TSMC, but the next gen will be built by Intel as they are almost production ready on that much better node).
I trust TSMC way more than Intel. TSMC have shown they are the best in the industry time and time again for the last decade whilst Intel's manufacturing has floundered
The thing is Intel is using it's fancy FOVEROS packaging now, even with TSMC which is helping with their efficiency stuff, so they'll probably keep using that once they go to Intel 18A @@JoeNokers
If those numbers are real, Intel needs to get machines with these chips into the hands of reviewers ASAP. _This_ is the performance leading Intel I remember. Not the losing half our share value and firing 15% of our staff Intel that we've been dealing with so far this year. edit: Re. the point you made about all the NPU numbers being for "future proofing", how much do you think it's actually going to matter though? All the most performant AI models are currently proprietary, and the most performant _open source_ models require hundreds of GBs of ram to load. It's not (or at least not only) the TOPs that are the bottleneck here, and as you say, _these_ thin and lights are never going to have more than 32GB of ram. Sure, there are smaller models made to run locally, but in 2 or 3 years are people even going to be interested in running those models?
Would love to see both Zenbook S 16 compared. The Lunar Lake and the Strix Point ones. This will be an unique opportunity for a direct face off. Apparently the Lunar Lake version will not be available in the US, so it leaves you Anton with the lead. 🙏
Thanks, Tom for the first look at Lunar Lake. Hopefully the OEM'S can figure out how to keep this chip cool, because Intel has an issue with overheating. I have been watching the coverage from IFA, very interesting.
Intel Lunar Lake is a game changer chip but it sad to see apple, amd and qualcomm fanboy don't want to admit their favorite chip got destroyed by Intel Lunar Lake.
They have been saying the same since every launch from 12th gen, that too with a lot of PR initially, and every time, they failed miserably, including the core ultra series launch. Now , they need to bring laptops that can show they are good in regular user tested environments before they are taken seriously 😂
@@infinitemagnet1210 after all the fuzz they made, it still ended up much less efficient than they claimed, and lower than last gen AMD. HOW ON EARTH AM I AN AMD FAN BOY IF I TELL A TRUTH? 🤣🤣🤣. You hear something you don't like, and jump to the conclusion that I must be a fanboy for AMD?
Are these the successor to the H variants of the metro lake or will there be more coming and these are like successor to the U series of last gen ? I was planning to buy a 9 185H but decided to wait for the next gen which would have more optimised and powerful architecture as per my expectations
Show me at least one thin and light laptop running Windows 11 without a fan. This is the synergy needed between software and hardware in this marketed next-gen PC era.
Yeah it seems to be a gap. There are some that run older chips but no modern chips. Hopefully will change with PC chips actually being power efficient. Though I personally have never been bothered by a laptop with a fan
So it's like a more expensive 7840H or HS but with 2-3x the battery life due to low power draw and similar GPU performance But also all the AI NPU stuff....impressive...very impressive....I'm glad I don't have to switch to ARM for a full day laptop
I think their explanation was about energy saving and bandwidth. With this chip Intel tried to do a lot of what Apple did to obtain that crazy efficiency. It is probably a bit also about money, as they control more of the chain in this way.
Its made for laptop, no one really do anything serious on it that requires more than 32gb ram. I would have personally prefer to see some form of hbm memory used instead but whatever i guess.
Great video, thank you! I would really like to buy one of the Lunar lake laptops but I don't have the budget for them. I have a question for you. It's not really about these new chips but what are your recommendations for laptops at the price range of about 750 euros? The inspiron 16 looked very nice with an amd 7 8840u processor. Do you also think there will be any discounts on maybe the intel chips with lunar lake chips releasing now? I just want a laptop for study and maybe some light gaming like minecraft. I would like to keep it for a few years and for it to be a bit future proof. So maybe the AI of the inspiron 16 would be usefull. I'd like to have your opinion. Do you have a good recommendation or do you maybe recommend to wait for something else? I'd like your opinion! Great video's! Thank you for them!
Intel vs Snapdragon is going to shape the market in 2024/25! As someone who has used (forced?) mostly Intel, I want to try Snapdragon laptops as well! And now given the competitive prices, I may just get one of them for my next buy.
2025 is going to be an interesting year.. Especially when Apple launches their M4.. I just got a 12th gen intel laptop with nvidia dGPU.. Why? Just cause they are cheaper now.. And I may need to update in the next 3-4 years.. I believe by then, the AI NPU chips, cpu efficiency across all providers especially Qualcomm and Intel will be much more stable. So yeah, excited and can't wait for all of these to be much more established, well defined and stable.
The hx370 and hx365 chips are shipping (not just a paper launch). If you know Intel you will recognize a paper launch. Prepared to be surprised at the cost of these laptops since they are in the N3 node and require advanced packaging to connect the RAM to the CPU ....
This type of tech demo where the figures are there on screen are the way that tech demos SHOULD be presented. I noticed that Intel don't pretend that Lunar Lake is faster, better, more efficient etc under every condition but it's back where it should be.
I hope that the competition will force Apple to alter the prices of their MacBooks or at least keep them where they are for years to come. Because I'm really looking to buy a MacBook, but the options for SSD and RAM are ridiculously expensive...
It won’t affect Apple’s pricing because Apple doesn’t give a toss about prices of Windows laptops and that, in turn, is because Apple users don’t give a toss about Windows.
@@little_fluffy_clouds Why not? They all compete in same segment/category, you never know. At least not increasing the price is already a big deal imo, considering the fact how Apple loves to do that...
Got my SL7 with X elite. The snappiness is just something that I have never seen ever on any other windows laptop. To mention, my primary laptop is a MSI 12700H (the worst battery life ever) with 32GB ram, but the Qualcomm version is definitely way snappier. I would pin my hopes on Qualcomm for future. But nevertheless nice improvements.
@@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 I care of course. Intel sucks in efficiency and history is the best example for that. If Intel improves in terms of efficiency it is good, but until then no Intel for me on my work laptop.
@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 so you'd buy a laptop if you are into playing computer games? OK, fair enough, except that some of us use laptops mainly for productivity purposes and battery life, low heat, responsiveness and performance are important considerations.
will the new chip intel core ultra perform well in 3d modelling and 3d rendering? And will these chips be available in most laptops or the slim versions of a laptop only?
I bought the first gen (CU7 155h with ZenBook 14 [UX3405MA]) expecting it to be what they advertised on the page. The most promising and attractive part was that eCores are so many and yet battery lasts even less than 6 hrs which they advertised to be 15+ hours. Even if you use a browser and 1/2 apps on the side with 20/30% battery on power efficiency mode, it won't last more than 6hrs. I'm not sure if it is ASUS or the chip that doesn't keep the word real. Now, let's see what the new lies are from intel in this series. I hope they make it what they are claiming it to be.
I own a Meteor Lake processor handheld and it's very sketchy with battery life when it's off sometimes, granted that might be an MSI issue. Also check your settings to see if you can still put it on power efficient mode. Lunar Lake SHOULD be better with this as it's E cores are MUCH much stronger than I believe even Meteor Lake's previous P cores. I'd wait till benchmarks are out though
@@PixelatedWolf2077 I mostly use it in power efficiency mode but no use. It still doesn’t last more than 5 hours. 😐 It's frustrating cause I had to pay $1850 to buy this from where I live. Imagine you pay that sum and don't even get the half of what is promised.
Also depends on manufacturer, like for example xith the X Elite chips the laptops all had more or less the same capacity (exept the smaller xps 13 that still had decent battery with the lcd). The Samsung had the lowest performance (even with the hogher SKU) AND half the battery life or the surface laptop
I literally purchased yesterday the HP Spector x360 Ultra 7… if I’m spending £1800, would you suggest holding off for 2 months till the updated laptops come out?
TSMC gave AMD such a huge advantage, and Intel stuck on their own nodes had to innovate. Right now Intel is ahead architecturally and bridged the manufacturing gap by jumping to TSMC themselves. AMD is way behind architecturally. 12th gen was a full 3 years ago on big.litte, performance.efficiency core architecture.
Wrong, mister, AMD zen5 CPU is on 4nm not 3nm, with 7500 MT/S, not 8533 MT/S, it is MUCH faster on multicore workloads, and Intel benchmarked games against the very worst Ryzen 9 laptop with a 15% performance disadvantage compared to ALL OTHER HX 370 CPUs ! You must be one of those easily fooled Intel fanboys?
TSMC N3B gives much much more efficiency than their 4nm (and even N3E even if they are both 3nm processes) AMD still use 4nm. So we don't know if the architechture is actually better. Meanwhile Apple M4 is coming out soon on laptops
@@MainInternetUser Intel has lower idle power draw on Intel 7 13th gen vs Ryzen 7000 on 5nm. It's the architecture. Intel was just always way behind on load power because of the worse node.
All the E cores and LP-E cores were always the same thing. It's just that LP-E cores are on the "low power island." With Lunar Lake, all the E cores are on the low power island, so all of them are technically LP-E cores.
Ultra 5 might be it. Brands like Asus, hp, dell, acer, etc might bring up these ultra 5 chips at quite reasonable pricing, while ofcourse price cutting on other aspects.
Finally, something exciting and a true competition among several players. Qualcomm tried to take market share into computers from intel but, at this pace of innovation and improvement it would be nice to see if Intel turns the tables completely and comes up with mobile chips as well. Waiting for the latops to be available with series 2.
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Still people say that you need dedicated Graphics card for video editing - which kills the power efficiency of the CPU. Apple silicon can edit videos with their graphics, is this going to be really working only with the integrated graphics?
Okay guys help me out with this.. I'm considering buying a Legion 7i with the 14th gen intel core processors.. should I be waiting for the arrow lake (15th gen)?? I do need the laptop soon.. can wait a bit but not too long.
Qualcomm x elite is still 4nm chip. There is significant performance boost and battery efficiency with TSMC 3 nm tech. So I think Qualcomm is still in the game. Both Apple m3, m4 and latest intel , and amd chips are already on 3 nm
I'd always cheer up hoping for new chips to be good as more competition means faster tech advancement and ultimately benefitting for all of us, take zen5 for example, pure bad news, if intel can't hit hard this time with lunarlake then theres a high chance amd will be the next intel for the next decade :(
Damn it's x86 with that level of power draw / battery life with near Radeon 780M performance in GPU? I CANNOT wait for this to get into handhelds. Imagine an ROG ALLY 30W performance profile but only on 10ish watts or something. That's be like a full day battery life.
I know. For example yoga is missing headphone jack and hdmi. Asus bad aspect ratio, weak battery, weird keyboard. Acer missing hdmi has only 16gb and has only xPlus. Also OLED screens are not option because of burn in. So on.
hey, pretty sure the V suffix denotes that these intel core ultra CPUs are the laptop versions. the 200 series desktop versions are due to come out sometime this year and I don't believe they will have the V suffix
ARM will play a big role for our future, especially as Apple progresses with their M chips and things get more optimized for that architecture and everyone else scrambles with their pants down trying to play catchup. But hopefully Intel can pull this off and AMD as well, to keep competition alive, we all need that, otherwise we're all fckd as we go towards a monopoly.. we have too many of those already in different sectors.
It sucks to be a tech enthusiast in India. We always get products too late. And to add salt to injury it's expensive here. This chip might arrive in India about March next year.
Sure, decent battery life is good, but with the advent of power banks - ever lighter, faster, more capacity - isn't battery life starting to get less important?
That’s awesome that intel didn’t give in to ARM architecture. I also like their transparency with consumers now displaying live numbers it’s an uphill battle for them but we love a Rocky style comeback 🎉
While so mush praise about the Lunar Lake Soc, one has to admit that the 3 generation old M1 based Macbook is still a solid machine even in late 2024. So what will happen with the poor retailers who still have Meteor Lake based laptops in store?
ofc it's an improvement they are using tsmc (same as amd) it's just the matter of microstructure and power management plus it's newer so obviously it's going to be good and competitive with Ryzen
@@sasha_chudesnov No they didn't? I have the marketing slides opened right now and there's nothing showing that they used XESS performance for LNL and native for MTL.
What is it with the new style of showing the actual chip in a case…. I don’t even know what a good chip looks like aesthetically 🤣. Other than that, good content as always. Thank you!
Sept 24th is the release for all the models on pre-order, I see 19 different models available, although I think I want to get the Lenovo Yoga 7i aura as it has USBC (TB4) ports on either side of the laptop so any docking solution works without having to change orientation. My only complaint is no OLED available for that one till 2025. Otherwise the zenbook is my 2nd pick.
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Hey Chaps! Would you buy a Lunar Lake laptop??
Pretty much yes, but I'll wait until I see your reviews on offerings from Asus, Acer, Dell et al first
Over the last few years the 14” gaming laptop has become a reality with thermal solutions able to tame a dGPU & high power CPU in a compact form factor. Now it sounds like it could finally be the turn of thin and light laptops to get the Apple Silicon efficiency rivalling CPU & iGPU x86 solution that we have been waiting years for.
I just feel sorry for the poor Dell customers that bought XPS Plus laptops using prior generation CPUs. They’ve just been unpaid development mules for Dell!
What will be really interesting when you get to test actual laptops is not only real world battery life but also performance drop on battery vs plugged in. I’m hoping we’ll see an improvement on Meteor Lake here as well.
I might, actually, but price is the big thing not mentioned yet, the price has to be good for the laptops to be worthwhile. Will Intel (and by extension, the laptop vendors) make the same mistake that Qualcomm has, by charging a ton of money for these? I suppose we'll see in a few weeks.
No ryzen better
Let's hope they are affordable.
Man I hope these numbers are proven to be right because consumers totally need the competition.
This is exactly what the market needs, strong competition to keep them constantly innovating.
Funny that snapdragon needed to come into the ring to push intel and amd further
It does seem that way, although these designs and road maps are made years in advance. But certainly there’s a lot of great options now
It was more likely the M1 chip that caused the development of these chips.
It started much before that, probably at the time Apple was working on their M1 or soon after launch. It takes years to make a CPU.
You think ARM is pushing intel and AMD 🤣🤣🤣 hahahaha bro Google what is RISC and what is CISC
AMD had good 7840u chip before and qualcom is not close to apple silicon at all
One of the Intel laptops was a Zenbook S 16, so Asus will again ship both AMD and Intel versions, which will allow a perfect comparison between the two. Can’t wait to see that.
I think the s 16 is AMD, and the new s 14 is Intel lunar - so yes pretty close for comparison
@@Thetechchap Indeed. I noticed afterwards that the Intel was 14". Would love to see both chips compared on an exact same frame.... I need to buy one of these two.
From what I noticed; the CPU performance is barely above Intel 13th gen P series CPUs. However, the battery life and iGPU performance were massive jumps in performance. Keep in mind, Lunar Lake is for laptops. Not for desktops.
I love how ARM revolutionized the efficiency and battery life and now every company has to follow/compete. WIN WIN situation for us consumers!
it was not arm as much as it was node size.
It was Apple's M1 eating everyone's lunch for free even 3 years after it was released.
Huh kinda like the original iPhone launch.
@@SamFigueroaapple’s M1 is ARM revolutionizing efficiency and battery life. these chips are planned and designed well before the snapdragon chips launched…
LOL... arm revolutionised nothing, ARM chips have always benefited from the absolute latest chip nodes like the recent 3nm.
Glad to see that there's going to be true competition for AMDs Ryzen AI chips for those of us who don't want to jump ship to ARM. It really has been an exciting year for laptops. I just bought my first ever AMD laptop recently after using Intel exclusively for the past 15 years, but really glad to see Intel is keeping up and will be an option again in the future.
good video! the only thing i don't agree with is at 8:12 where you mention having an NPU right now is for future proofing. i'd reckon that by the time we do get usefull software for it and everyday apps get use out of it these NPU's. the current ones will be outdated and not up to spec. especially since the performance increases we are seeing year over year. anyway video is a thumbs up for me as always!
Windows Studio Effects was working with just 9 TOPS NPU in the Snapdragon 8CX Gen 2 SOC. The current crop all have over 40 TOPS in their NPUs, so there is quite a bit of headroom.
That’s fair
thanks for quick report - exciting to see the progress!!!
Just looking forward to having a new work laptop that: 1) lasts longer than 1.5 hours unplugged, and 2) doesn't have constant fan noise in the background!
This! Is it too much to ask for? 😆
Although with that power draw, I doubt the fans will stay silent. If you want x86 with near silent fans, get a laptop with 7840u or 8840u. The ones on the EliteBooks are super silent. Fan barely kicks in and low when it does. The battery life is just average though.
And especially, If you aren't doing demanding stuff and the fan still kicks on, that's Windows for you, went on a debloating toar with my 8th gen i5 laptop and haven't heard the fan since, battery life is much better and it so much more snappy, probably one of the snappiest Windows machines in my lectures, at least on battery power, but 8th gen intel vs M2 and M3, well yeah...
Windows need some fanless laptops
Switch to Mac and you can have that today
I am loving the competition between these companies as years goes on. Every company want to offer their very best as they are in competition with other companies and also themselves by making better iterations of previous chips.
Although I am going to give the edge to Intel right now with their integrated RAM. That will help a lot with efficiency and integration. Performance will be a lot better and seamless.
Me too! Been a wild year for laptops
@@Thetechchap absolutely! 💯
@@Thetechchap Hi, I am looking for a good Laptop to start my coding career. Java Script. May you please do a video with suggestions of the best 5 laptops for coding? My budget is $2,500 USD.
and ya that ram is 2*mac
@@benito91kumbirai26 You definitely don't need a $2500 laptop to code JavaScript. Save $1500 and get good dual monitors and a sit/stand desk and a great keyboard.
I just payed off my Surface Pro 9 (1255U w/16 GB). It's a sweet little machine. I'm getting a taste of the newer thin and light machines that are hitting the market. I'm fully in the X86 camp because of my profession and so I care a lot about what Intel does. So far, things are looking really good for my particular niche.
The Dell XPS 13 becoming a possible gaming laptop is insane
I game on and asus with this an ultra 5 it's nice
Great review! The only thing is at 4:47 you are saying "Fastest processor", which is incorrect. Intel claims the fastest single-core performance (see 1T/1-copy on the chart) and not overall CPU performance. Lunar Lake won't have the best multi-core performance, it's not designed to deliver it.
Cannot wait for these to come to the Framework laptop. It’ll be right in line with my current Thinkpad losing Windows security updates
2:18 i had to rewind that like 3 times just to make sure i wasn't hearing things
Haha oh god you’re right!
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Looks pretty good, hope the standby time is good
Oh snap....This is gonna make ALOT of things really interesting for the thin/light crowd as well as handheld crowd. Good. More competition is needed, and looks to be on it's way. Consumers win with competition. AMD has been ruling it for 5-6 years now in the laptop space.
First, thank you for the introduction of the Intel Core Ultra Series 2. Ever since I heard of the Intel Lunar Lake next generation of processors, I have been waiting for the actual product to appear. And now that it is here, I am so excited to hear about all the improvements and enhancements it will bring to Windows PC brands. I understand that what we will see and hear will be from Intel, but if this turns out to be as good as sounds, Wow. It is a wonderful time to buy a computer.
One of my big questions is how does it manage power efficiency while asleep and how quickly does it wake? Will I close my laptop and come back 3 days later to find it has lost 25% battery?
Big advantage to ARM on this.
The OS is a big part of that and Linux and Windows were not very good at that in the past. I think we'll see big changes as now both Intel and AMD are finally pushing in that direction.
Of course, it's still x86. Pretty much what I expect.
@@ContraVsGigiit really isn’t the OS at all, which the Snapdragon chips showed. It is just Intel and AMDs poor architecture
Great question! I’ll def be testing battery and standby life
Man, is those numbers are even close to reality, we have a winner. Too bad my laptop is only 2 years old, I cannot change it yet. Even the onboard graphics seem to be on par with AMD which is great. On the other hand, I would wait for this technology to mature and see Intel 20a and 18a in play (this SoC is still made by TSMC, but the next gen will be built by Intel as they are almost production ready on that much better node).
I trust TSMC way more than Intel. TSMC have shown they are the best in the industry time and time again for the last decade whilst Intel's manufacturing has floundered
The thing is Intel is using it's fancy FOVEROS packaging now, even with TSMC which is helping with their efficiency stuff, so they'll probably keep using that once they go to Intel 18A @@JoeNokers
Seems like we're gonna get a great competition race
We need more benchmark of xe2 igpu vs 890m
They used the very worst AMD HX 370 laptop which is gimped by 15% because of thermals and power limits...
@@systemBuilder Nope. Worse would be the 365.
@@systemBuilderah look another AMD fanboy 😂
If those numbers are real, Intel needs to get machines with these chips into the hands of reviewers ASAP. _This_ is the performance leading Intel I remember. Not the losing half our share value and firing 15% of our staff Intel that we've been dealing with so far this year.
edit: Re. the point you made about all the NPU numbers being for "future proofing", how much do you think it's actually going to matter though? All the most performant AI models are currently proprietary, and the most performant _open source_ models require hundreds of GBs of ram to load. It's not (or at least not only) the TOPs that are the bottleneck here, and as you say, _these_ thin and lights are never going to have more than 32GB of ram. Sure, there are smaller models made to run locally, but in 2 or 3 years are people even going to be interested in running those models?
I just wish it integrated Thunderbolt 5 and it would be great for gaming on the go as well as on the desk via a Thunderbolt 5 eGPU.
Dell XPS still doesn't have a function key row 😂 When will they learn
The day Dell finally reaches 2018 and realizes what Apple has done.
Function keys are now fully AI. Just shout at your laptop.
When will you use a question mark? 😂
Would love to see both Zenbook S 16 compared. The Lunar Lake and the Strix Point ones. This will be an unique opportunity for a direct face off. Apparently the Lunar Lake version will not be available in the US, so it leaves you Anton with the lead. 🙏
Why are the Intel laptops on laptop stands, while the AMD and snap dragon laptops are chocking sitting flat on the bench?
God, that OLED screen on the XPS looks amazing
Thanks, Tom for the first look at Lunar Lake. Hopefully the OEM'S can figure out how to keep this chip cool, because Intel has an issue with overheating. I have been watching the coverage from IFA, very interesting.
Any information on heat generation i.e. how hot the laptops get? I had an Intel I7 and I9 laptops (Dell) and they got extremely hot.
It'll vary based on each laptops cooling system - but i'll defintiely test!
They didn't say anything directly but considering that the overall power consumption is significantly lower one would expect less heat.
Intel coming back like Undertaker😂
Great you get to experience all these tech events!
Really impressive! Great that Intel seems to have cought up with the competition. Snapdragon X doesn't look at all superior anymore.
finally im excited for windows handheld gaming for the first time
Intel Lunar Lake is a game changer chip but it sad to see apple, amd and qualcomm fanboy don't want to admit their favorite chip got destroyed by Intel Lunar Lake.
Can't blame people. For years, Intel laptops would just create fan noise upon opening terminal and updating my repo. Stupid trash.
They have been saying the same since every launch from 12th gen, that too with a lot of PR initially, and every time, they failed miserably, including the core ultra series launch.
Now , they need to bring laptops that can show they are good in regular user tested environments before they are taken seriously 😂
Intel cooked 🔥 🗣️🗣️🗣️
What do you mean core ultra failed? Salty AMD fanboys. @@SreejithKSGupta
@@infinitemagnet1210 after all the fuzz they made, it still ended up much less efficient than they claimed, and lower than last gen AMD.
HOW ON EARTH AM I AN AMD FAN BOY IF I TELL A TRUTH? 🤣🤣🤣.
You hear something you don't like, and jump to the conclusion that I must be a fanboy for AMD?
Are these the successor to the H variants of the metro lake or will there be more coming and these are like successor to the U series of last gen ?
I was planning to buy a 9 185H but decided to wait for the next gen which would have more optimised and powerful architecture as per my expectations
R.I.P ARM on PC
Again??
🤣
Why? The Surface Laptop 7 is insanely good and a success. Not everyone plays bloody games 🙄. Intel battery life has never been trusted.
@@bradavon Success. ;))))
10x more problems for 10% more battery life. I mean, good deals I guess when prices drop
It took Qualcomm to run laps on Intel's battery life for them to release this?
My Snapdragon T14s last 3x longer than my 155H X13. It's ridiculous.
But they were building this already for quite some time, after all they probably started building this just before Meteor Lake launched.
Just recently, the Core Ultra series was released, and now Series 2 is coming out so quickly! 😅
They've been rolling out new generations of chips once a year for quite a while now. Nothing new about that.
Show me at least one thin and light laptop running Windows 11 without a fan. This is the synergy needed between software and hardware in this marketed next-gen PC era.
I'm happy for a fan to be in there, but only spin up when I really need it.
Agreed. At least one like MacBook Air
@@bradavon Macbook air doesn't have a fan
Yeah it seems to be a gap. There are some that run older chips but no modern chips.
Hopefully will change with PC chips actually being power efficient. Though I personally have never been bothered by a laptop with a fan
The Ultra 5 can be as low as 9 watts. So it’s possible
Loved the wobbly table. Made me giggle
why the tech chap is the only major youtuber covering this launch.?
So it's like a more expensive 7840H or HS but with 2-3x the battery life due to low power draw and similar GPU performance But also all the AI NPU stuff....impressive...very impressive....I'm glad I don't have to switch to ARM for a full day laptop
Intel 200v laptops doesn't have 2-3x more battery life than amd chips watch dave2d's video
Why no CAMM2? Why are we going down the unupgradable RAM route? That's not good
I think their explanation was about energy saving and bandwidth. With this chip Intel tried to do a lot of what Apple did to obtain that crazy efficiency. It is probably a bit also about money, as they control more of the chain in this way.
Its made for laptop, no one really do anything serious on it that requires more than 32gb ram. I would have personally prefer to see some form of hbm memory used instead but whatever i guess.
the thinkpad p1 gen 7 has camm ram
@@exsinnerspeak for yourself, I need 64gb
@@ContraVsGigi CAMM2 does all those things, it's about money
Great video, thank you! I would really like to buy one of the Lunar lake laptops but I don't have the budget for them. I have a question for you. It's not really about these new chips but what are your recommendations for laptops at the price range of about 750 euros? The inspiron 16 looked very nice with an amd 7 8840u processor. Do you also think there will be any discounts on maybe the intel chips with lunar lake chips releasing now? I just want a laptop for study and maybe some light gaming like minecraft. I would like to keep it for a few years and for it to be a bit future proof. So maybe the AI of the inspiron 16 would be usefull. I'd like to have your opinion. Do you have a good recommendation or do you maybe recommend to wait for something else? I'd like your opinion! Great video's! Thank you for them!
Honestly I also have the same needs but I am willing to wait a couple of years for better tech since we have peak tech period right now.
@@M.K__ Good choice, but I think I would like to get a laptop like now.
Intel vs Snapdragon is going to shape the market in 2024/25! As someone who has used (forced?) mostly Intel, I want to try Snapdragon laptops as well! And now given the competitive prices, I may just get one of them for my next buy.
agreed!
Don’t disregard AMD
2025 is going to be an interesting year.. Especially when Apple launches their M4..
I just got a 12th gen intel laptop with nvidia dGPU.. Why? Just cause they are cheaper now.. And I may need to update in the next 3-4 years..
I believe by then, the AI NPU chips, cpu efficiency across all providers especially Qualcomm and Intel will be much more stable.
So yeah, excited and can't wait for all of these to be much more established, well defined and stable.
The hx370 and hx365 chips are shipping (not just a paper launch). If you know Intel you will recognize a paper launch. Prepared to be surprised at the cost of these laptops since they are in the N3 node and require advanced packaging to connect the RAM to the CPU ....
Ryzen wins
This type of tech demo where the figures are there on screen are the way that tech demos SHOULD be presented. I noticed that Intel don't pretend that Lunar Lake is faster, better, more efficient etc under every condition but it's back where it should be.
What type of display that xps 13 has ? Are they finally offering OLED panels with 120hz ?
Hey Chap, did you use a teleprompter for that cafe shot or just winged it? Big fan here!
Winged it! Thanks man
I don't trust Intel for the last a couple of years, but good to see the competition. That's what we need.
I hope that the competition will force Apple to alter the prices of their MacBooks or at least keep them where they are for years to come.
Because I'm really looking to buy a MacBook, but the options for SSD and RAM are ridiculously expensive...
Why not consider a windows laptop if they’re getting good?
It won’t affect Apple’s pricing because Apple doesn’t give a toss about prices of Windows laptops and that, in turn, is because Apple users don’t give a toss about Windows.
@@marcochow4753 Yeah... I just like MacOS I guess. Windows is good, just MacOS because of stability, durability en longevity/lifespan.
@@little_fluffy_clouds Why not? They all compete in same segment/category, you never know. At least not increasing the price is already a big deal imo, considering the fact how Apple loves to do that...
Your reasoning is exactly why they won't bring their prices down.
Got my SL7 with X elite. The snappiness is just something that I have never seen ever on any other windows laptop. To mention, my primary laptop is a MSI 12700H (the worst battery life ever) with 32GB ram, but the Qualcomm version is definitely way snappier. I would pin my hopes on Qualcomm for future. But nevertheless nice improvements.
This! Absolutely incredible.
who cares😂, Qualcomm X elite can't play games😢
@@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 I care of course. Intel sucks in efficiency and history is the best example for that. If Intel improves in terms of efficiency it is good, but until then no Intel for me on my work laptop.
@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 so you'd buy a laptop if you are into playing computer games? OK, fair enough, except that some of us use laptops mainly for productivity purposes and battery life, low heat, responsiveness and performance are important considerations.
@@okradokrad sorry bro, I ain't buying a 1000$ laptop that can't run on league of legends
will the new chip intel core ultra perform well in 3d modelling and 3d rendering? And will these chips be available in most laptops or
the slim versions of a laptop only?
Would like to see the Surface with these chips.
Maybe the surface laptop studio 3
I bought the first gen (CU7 155h with ZenBook 14 [UX3405MA]) expecting it to be what they advertised on the page. The most promising and attractive part was that eCores are so many and yet battery lasts even less than 6 hrs which they advertised to be 15+ hours. Even if you use a browser and 1/2 apps on the side with 20/30% battery on power efficiency mode, it won't last more than 6hrs. I'm not sure if it is ASUS or the chip that doesn't keep the word real.
Now, let's see what the new lies are from intel in this series. I hope they make it what they are claiming it to be.
I own a Meteor Lake processor handheld and it's very sketchy with battery life when it's off sometimes, granted that might be an MSI issue. Also check your settings to see if you can still put it on power efficient mode.
Lunar Lake SHOULD be better with this as it's E cores are MUCH much stronger than I believe even Meteor Lake's previous P cores. I'd wait till benchmarks are out though
@@PixelatedWolf2077
I mostly use it in power efficiency mode but no use. It still doesn’t last more than 5 hours. 😐
It's frustrating cause I had to pay $1850 to buy this from where I live. Imagine you pay that sum and don't even get the half of what is promised.
Also depends on manufacturer, like for example xith the X Elite chips the laptops all had more or less the same capacity (exept the smaller xps 13 that still had decent battery with the lcd). The Samsung had the lowest performance (even with the hogher SKU) AND half the battery life or the surface laptop
@@adnanamin3666 Yea, I get home you feel. Sorry you gotta deal with that. At least it's an improvement over the Iris equipped Intel processors 😅
I literally purchased yesterday the HP Spector x360 Ultra 7… if I’m spending £1800, would you suggest holding off for 2 months till the updated laptops come out?
LOOKING AT BUYING SAME MACHINE HOW IS IT SO FAR
@@timothylock2043I’m not sure. I didn’t open it yet, trying to work out if I should return it and get the new ASUS Zenbook S14! 😅
TSMC gave AMD such a huge advantage, and Intel stuck on their own nodes had to innovate. Right now Intel is ahead architecturally and bridged the manufacturing gap by jumping to TSMC themselves. AMD is way behind architecturally. 12th gen was a full 3 years ago on big.litte, performance.efficiency core architecture.
what a load of bollocks 😂
Wrong, mister, AMD zen5 CPU is on 4nm not 3nm, with 7500 MT/S, not 8533 MT/S, it is MUCH faster on multicore workloads, and Intel benchmarked games against the very worst Ryzen 9 laptop with a 15% performance disadvantage compared to ALL OTHER HX 370 CPUs ! You must be one of those easily fooled Intel fanboys?
@@zack88005 He's right.
TSMC N3B gives much much more efficiency than their 4nm (and even N3E even if they are both 3nm processes) AMD still use 4nm. So we don't know if the architechture is actually better. Meanwhile Apple M4 is coming out soon on laptops
@@MainInternetUser Intel has lower idle power draw on Intel 7 13th gen vs Ryzen 7000 on 5nm. It's the architecture. Intel was just always way behind on load power because of the worse node.
A good use case for NPU perhaps to summarize long rambling videos uploaded by some youtubers. But there would mean less revenue stream?
Let's hold our opinion after the actual claims being proven because sometimes the theory is good enough to be true
So they removed efficiency cores completely? In chart it said it has LPE cores and not E cores.. that's weird
Low power island and E cores have merged. So 4 P and 4 E cores
All the E cores and LP-E cores were always the same thing. It's just that LP-E cores are on the "low power island." With Lunar Lake, all the E cores are on the low power island, so all of them are technically LP-E cores.
I see! 🤔
As always dope PC content
So sad to see no Ultra 3. Ultra 3 could be the perfect device for students. Rather affordable, power efficient and quiet, quick enough for some games.
Ultra 5 might be it. Brands like Asus, hp, dell, acer, etc might bring up these ultra 5 chips at quite reasonable pricing, while ofcourse price cutting on other aspects.
😊😊😊😊😊
Could this mean we'll finally be getting gaming laptops with long battery life?
Not until discrete mobile GPUs realise similar power efficiency
@@little_fluffy_clouds The 40 series mobile GPUs are extremely efficient already. Imagine what the 50 series + Lunar Lake will be capable of.
Finally, something exciting and a true competition among several players. Qualcomm tried to take market share into computers from intel but, at this pace of innovation and improvement it would be nice to see if Intel turns the tables completely and comes up with mobile chips as well. Waiting for the latops to be available with series 2.
Still people say that you need dedicated Graphics card for video editing - which kills the power efficiency of the CPU. Apple silicon can edit videos with their graphics, is this going to be really working only with the integrated graphics?
Thanks. Great video
When are desktop Intel Ultra 200 CPUs will be available? Octover, november? What about the power consumption and heat, will it improve?
I can’t say yet
Whats the difference between 7 series top sku and series 9. Apparently only power consumption looks different
Okay guys help me out with this.. I'm considering buying a Legion 7i with the 14th gen intel core processors.. should I be waiting for the arrow lake (15th gen)?? I do need the laptop soon.. can wait a bit but not too long.
Bro. please just go live with the laptop's reviews or testing, I cannot wait!!
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Qualcomm x elite is still 4nm chip. There is significant performance boost and battery efficiency with TSMC 3 nm tech. So I think Qualcomm is still in the game. Both Apple m3, m4 and latest intel , and amd chips are already on 3 nm
I'd always cheer up hoping for new chips to be good as more competition means faster tech advancement and ultimately benefitting for all of us, take zen5 for example, pure bad news, if intel can't hit hard this time with lunarlake then theres a high chance amd will be the next intel for the next decade :(
Tech Chap what are ur thoughts on S16 vs S14 zenbooks. Does the bigger 16in panel feel nicer despite using amd? :p
Damn it's x86 with that level of power draw / battery life with near Radeon 780M performance in GPU? I CANNOT wait for this to get into handhelds. Imagine an ROG ALLY 30W performance profile but only on 10ish watts or something. That's be like a full day battery life.
seems waiting paid off - happy that I didn't get underbaked Qualcomm laptop without hdmi, headphone jack, weak GPU and broken x86 emulation
and no Linux and no bios
You know the Surface wasn’t the only X Elite laptop 😂
I know. For example yoga is missing headphone jack and hdmi. Asus bad aspect ratio, weak battery, weird keyboard. Acer missing hdmi has only 16gb and has only xPlus. Also OLED screens are not option because of burn in. So on.
@@zachb1706 x elite is overrated just buy a x plus if you want a surface or any other arm laptop
The stupid table
Made me ring the bill😂😂
hey, pretty sure the V suffix denotes that these intel core ultra CPUs are the laptop versions. the 200 series desktop versions are due to come out sometime this year and I don't believe they will have the V suffix
I think you might be right actually
apart from the price this is a absolute win situation for end consumers with the efficiency and performance from all compititions
If I may ask Sir, may I know which smartphone was used for those event clips?
I used a combination of Sony ZV-E1, and iPhone 15 Pro Max
Thank you
ARM will play a big role for our future, especially as Apple progresses with their M chips and things get more optimized for that architecture and everyone else scrambles with their pants down trying to play catchup. But hopefully Intel can pull this off and AMD as well, to keep competition alive, we all need that, otherwise we're all fckd as we go towards a monopoly.. we have too many of those already in different sectors.
It sucks to be a tech enthusiast in India. We always get products too late. And to add salt to injury it's expensive here. This chip might arrive in India about March next year.
Sure, decent battery life is good, but with the advent of power banks - ever lighter, faster, more capacity - isn't battery life starting to get less important?
That’s awesome that intel didn’t give in to ARM architecture. I also like their transparency with consumers now displaying live numbers it’s an uphill battle for them but we love a Rocky style comeback 🎉
when & which brand for laptops will using this newer versions of intel core ultra series 2 ?
What is version the Graphic Card in this new Dell with Lunar Lake? Is the Intel Arc A770M Graphics?
While so mush praise about the Lunar Lake Soc, one has to admit that the 3 generation old M1 based Macbook is still a solid machine even in late 2024.
So what will happen with the poor retailers who still have Meteor Lake based laptops in store?
Can you suggest me Should i buy AMD RYzen 9AI HX 370 laptop or should i wait for lunar lake???
Did x86 just need to hit those nm marks like ARM?
The truth is that the instruction set never mattered to begin with.
0:16 It’s a frog! 🐸
ofc it's an improvement they are using tsmc (same as amd) it's just the matter of microstructure and power management plus it's newer so obviously it's going to be good and competitive with Ryzen
HX 370 also new.
When will reviews start?
Mid sept probs
Hope fully seeing tsmc 3 nm cpu in both amd and intel laptop
Looking forward to your Galaxy book 5 pro review
Would we get any AI software for free after buying these machines?
Not "1080p" - they used 1080p performance mode xess, which starts from under 540p
They used NATIVE for the 50 game benchmark slide.
@@Yahfzbut then still claimed 30 to 60% increase in performance based on comparing their old native numbers with 2.3x scaling on the new chips
@@sasha_chudesnov No they didn't? I have the marketing slides opened right now and there's nothing showing that they used XESS performance for LNL and native for MTL.
But xess on Intel hardware is way better than and fsr
@@HareeshkarRavi first version of Xe cores could use XeSS too, the 30%+ gen on gen performance claim still makes no sense.
What is it with the new style of showing the actual chip in a case…. I don’t even know what a good chip looks like aesthetically 🤣.
Other than that, good content as always. Thank you!
When can we expect these to hit the market, im in nedd of a laptop now can i wait for this new series
Sept 24th is the release for all the models on pre-order, I see 19 different models available, although I think I want to get the Lenovo Yoga 7i aura as it has USBC (TB4) ports on either side of the laptop so any docking solution works without having to change orientation. My only complaint is no OLED available for that one till 2025. Otherwise the zenbook is my 2nd pick.