I think other than Acheron, the Black swan Kafka duo is probably the strongest team in the game it’s basically just “the enemy is already dead before it’s even their turn” and I love it lol😭
my headphone jack is busted so i have to usually adjust the wire to make sure the sound is coming out right and when he started speaking i tried fixing my shit and ended up messing it up lol. then i was confused af because i didn't know if the issue was on my end or not.
@@anapple6912 nah dont plan on investing in FUA team (I know he is still good in other teams) and I have the mono quantum core although its not as powerful of a team nowadays (Silverwolf,sparkle,e6 qq). I know I wont have enough for both so I am sticking with saving for fu xuan
Ruan Mei was the unit for me who quite literally changed everything. It's thanks to her that DoT now has a support because of how universal her buffs are and now I'm a DoT enjoyer with my Kafka + Black Swan + Ruan Mei team. Other than DoT, she's just the BEST support ever, I was very lucky to get her at early pity. I love Ruan Mei so much. EDIT: Queen is Top 1, absolutely deserved!
Ruan Mei definitely deserved that spot. She's as future proof as Acheron because we don't even have her best possible teammates yet. Any future dps releases focusing on break are going to be absolutely absurd when paired with her.
Boothill is going to be insane from the leaks I have saw, really surprised they made him that strong, especially with ruan mei, but if we ever get an aoe break character going to be even more insane.
I really feel like Acheron is one of the best to pull for dps, Ruan Mei for support and Huo Huo for sustain. All of them have their unbeatable uses and can last for years to come.
@@crusty_twig It very much depends on characters and account but go for Huo Huo and/or Aventurine with at least 1 premium healer and sheilder be built, otherwise go for Jingliu if you don't have premium damage and Ruan Mei if you don't have her already.
@@zaetorian But if you haven't anything of what you supposed, just only acheron, what's your advice ? Aventurine or huohuo or ruan mey ? I want a DoT team (waiting rerun Kafka/BS) beside my acheron team, then who you think is good between all of them ? Have just 130 pulls, i'm on 50/50, just start the game and have only acheron in 5*
@@mickaelb3382 get huo huo as her ultimate provides the Dot team with more value compared to aventurine. if ruan mei reruns first then get her and then get huo huo or vice versa if you are struggling hard to survive then get aventurine (we still dont know when huo huo and ruan mei are gonna rerun but i assume ruan mei is going to be on 2.2) 130 pulls is enough if you are lucky, not to mention the extra 10 pull we are gonna get on 26th of april, the 300 jades from the livestream and other events where you can get jades like the one going on right now.
Even once he comes out you won't regret. He is BIS on follow up attack teams and in Sim Uni but Fu Xuan's crit makes team building easier which is under-rated outside of DoT (where Huo Huo is queen) and he sustain will still be top tier outside of the few odd occasions where a shield is better than her mechanics (Monkey boss or big enough nukes to kill her with redirected damage)
Kafka is easily the character I regret pulling the least. She opens up an entirely new style that takes little effort to get into since you don’t need to rely on good Crit stats, and just get attack and speed
I know Blade is outdated but he saved my asş bro. I literally might be the luckiest casual players. When I get enough pulls for a character it was Blade/ruan mei banner and since my dps was Trailblazer at that time I know I needed to chose blade (plus everthing about him is so cool dude) but I if I didnt had Bailu I would still be cooked(I wanted welt when I first started but ınstead of what I want I got what I need, and I am thankfull lol), now my the team I am using most is Blade, Dr Ratio, Sparkle and Loucha
I wouldn't say Blade is outdated, just that he hasn't gotten a buffer that works for his niche. He is currently the only character that has split scaling with HP. If we get a buffer for him he'll be in a better position. People thought Jing Yuan would remain mid but it seems like he keeps getting shadow buffed (Sparkle, Topaz, Follow up dps set) Not to mention Blade makes for a solid sub dps due to his sp neutrality. He's my favorite character, pulled him and his light cone on his release and then his e1 on rerun.
If the criteria of the list is high investment. Then, I would replace Jingliu for DHIL as he is the best dps for MoC. DHIL's main problem is he needs high investment. Sparkle pushes DHIL above Jingliu and Acheron in terms of damage against 1-3 enemies. I would also replace Kafka with Silverwolf, if you view Kafka as a pseudo-support (DoT enabler). DoT is niche, so someone could get more general value out of silverwolf than kafka. I agree with the rest of the list. My personal order would be: 1. Ruan Mei 2. Sparkle 3. Acheron 4. Fu Xuan 5. Huo Huo 6. Dan Heng IL 7. Black Swan 8. Pela 9. Silverwolf 10. Tingyun
Watch other content creators he does not out damage acheron at all. Plus acheron still doesnt have her dedicated support unlike DHIL who has sparkle already.
@@ngm6541 You are free to believe whatever, you want. From my personal experience DHIL does more damage than Acheron if they are hitting the SAME AMOUNT of enemies. Also, that's exactly right, DHIL has Sparkle, which is the main reason he competes with Acheron. Without Sparkle, DHIL is very limited because of skill point consumption, but this list is based on high investment, so I believe he should be on it.
Stop coping man, DHIL in current MoC12 with imaginary weakness w/sparkle and tingyun 1 cycle most at E0S1. Now heres the thing, Jingliu can 1cycle brute force it even with no ice element with just bronya and pela. Smh😂😂😂
@@reedsad4652 Watch this video if you want. It's a damage showcase of Acheron, Jingliu, and DHIL. th-cam.com/video/JUha0dLsVDU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=apWIJDt7u9LUDSbU
Seeing both enablers kafka and Blackswan. It's weird for me not to see topaz on the list given how she strongly enables the whole FUA archetype.. Good video as always moon! 🎉
But of course Jingliu is there lol the most boring dps with no future value who's already been powercrept by Acheron. And don't get me started on the DHIL hate like he's nowhere to be seen even in the honourable mentions
I definitely don’t hate DHIL lol. He can be in a person’s top 10, but I’m not going to make a bunch of notable mentions since that would make the list incredibly long, so I had to limit it. I said twice within the video, if a character isn’t in this video doesn’t mean they’re bad. He is a good DPS, nobody is saying he’s not.
@@Moonnversebut by saying all of these characters are better is very much you calling him relatively bad. He is objectively better than jingliu if you have sparkle.
@@t0q14s9 that’s..not what that means at all. Where are you getting that if he’s not on this list he’s bad? I tried to include supports, dps, and sustain. It’s not all DPS characters otherwise this would be a DPS top 10. If you think he’s better than Jingliu then that is fine, on your own list they would be swapped out, nothing is wrong with that. Nowhere did I call him bad, nor does him not being on the list mean all these characters are above him. That’s very account case-by-case, such as how you mentioned if you have sparkle.
Imo it's Jing Yuan ironically and debatably. Had countless f2p light cones to choose from when I first started. Carried me early game in calx farming, simulated universe, swarm disaster, gold and gears, moc and pure fiction. Even against the big bug boss and against pre nerf aventurine boss. He's pretty universal for the amount of investment he needs. Not to mention, he gets indirectly buffed every patch. Sometimes, I don't even know his actual path because you technically want his lightening lord to NOT attack swarms but 1-2 enemies and instead use his skill and ult to finish up swarms. He's quite the jack of all trades icing destruction, hunt and erudition path. If you want a do it all character. Hopefully there would be a support that advances summon speed in the future since there is already a blessing like that in SU.
@@Weji514 she sucks against single target. I actually built serval because people like you were recommending her. From personal experience, she’s just cope JY. Sure I can make her work in pure fiction(still worse than JY due to lower base attack) but moc is another story.
@@Moonnverse My fav team to run is Blade/Luocha/Sampo/Welt! I do swap around Welt or Sampo depending on what coverage I need, and recently I've been playing with a follow up team with Dr. Ratio/Luocha/Jing Yuan/whoever I can shove in that has follow up or debuffs. If I can get Aventurine I'll make it Aventurine/Dr. Ratio/Jing Yuan/maybe Luocha? maybe Sampo? I just wish that HSR would give more variety in types/classes in male units. I missed Argenti and Luka keeps dodging me so I have no physical coverage, and there just aren't any male harmony or quantum units in the game yet...gah. But if you need mono-imaginary...I have it...ha...
I guess silver wolf should be included ( weakness manipulation and single target defence shred) not to mention with acherons release her value just keeps increasing
Ruan Mei(support unit) and Acheron(DPS) are two characters who I dare say won't be able to power crept anytime in the near future unless they want to absolutely break the game. That's how much broken the two of them are.
this list was pretty expected on alot of these. DHIL not in this list is interesting but since the other two 5 star dpses don't care as much about who are they with(Acheron doesn't care about any specific Nihility units, and Jingliu can be slot in whatever harmony or whatever unit you have even though DHIL can dish out higher damage at high investment.). i guess it makes sense
Dhil can’t keep up with the powerhouses of Jing liu and Acheron. He is still decent and should pull for him if you like him but at e0 he simply is not anywhere near top 10 pull recommendation
@@Tam-lv1mp hmm... isn't Jl's Damage ceiling lower than DanIL. but even so i guess maybe you're right especially with how SP dependant he is... compares to Jl and Acheron.
Having 7 out of the top 10 units (I don't have Jingliu, Huohuo, Qingque I do have but she's not built and I'm not using her so I'm not counting her) makes me pretty happy because this means my account might be safe from future challenges or at least be able to clear future content without struggling extremely hard xD
Where's DHIL? He's more powerful then Jingliu, Especially with the release of Sparkle. I easily clear all content with him regardless of elemental type. It's a shame he doesn't get the respect he clearly deserves. The only dps more powerful then DHIL is Acheron. 💯
Respectfully no. Fu Xuan is two behind Ruan Mei. Fu was a mistake from the devs because she has effect res damage mitigation and is so easy a child can use her. Look at what feels 99% of MOC clears and you will see her. She is One or Two because you can't clear end game with a dead team. Fu literally provides all the sustain and crit rate buffs. She is the best sustain in the game and has been since her release. So again respectfully hard disagree with this.
I'll take RM glazing any day of the week. She's just a cheat code for the game (especially at e1). You slap her with any DPS and they become gods (except maybe arlan lol). You could've added PF units to the notable mentions list (Herta/Himeko/Argenti), but like PF is such piss easy that it honestly doesnt matter.
IMO, the top 10 Pull/Build Value Characters (in no particular order) consist of 1. Ruan Mei 2. Huo huo 3. Sparkle 4. Acheron 5. Jing Liu 6. Fu Xuan 7. Silver Wolf 8. Tingyun 9. Pela and 10. Bronya. I always encourage people to prioritise two sustains and Fu Xuan/Huo Huo are the best in the game (Aventurine could shake this up). Support Characters always get the most usage out of your account and last FAR longer compared to DPS characters. As for DPS because they are the most prone to "power-creep" and i chose only two, Acheron & Jing Liu as they are by a solid margin not only the strongest, but the easiest to work around which is crucial for newer players. I didn't include DOT or FUA archetypes as those are vertical investments and typically for newer players, having a wide roster is better than having a specific one for coverage, that said those vertical investments are more 'protected' as Kafka/Topaz will only get stronger with new characters compared to conventional hyper carries who easily phase in and out of use.
Good job getting Mr. Pokke to call in from a 1990's payphone while he's on vacation! 😂 I think I can cosign this list for the most part, the only things I reacted to were Black Swan and Kafka being so far from each other (I'd prob put them at 4 and 5 or something), and honestly I might have to give #1 to Acheron, but I can definitely also see Ruan Mei at the top. Maybe I'd call it a tie.
@@reedsad4652 I'd be inclined to agree before, but after seeing Black Swan holding her own even without Kafka I feel like they're a little closer to each other.
11:25 what do you mean alot of players didn't pulls for her?!? Her kit is broken. The only character I was willing to lose a 50/50 for as a f2p other than upcoming SAM banner. Huohuo being partial harmony makes her so strong compared to other healers.
As A Day 1 F2p Player I Approve Of This Video Not that it matters but I'm not a paid chatter 😂 All characters just in case; 1. Ruan Mei 2. Acheron 3. Kafka 4.Sparkle 5.Jingliu 6. Huo huo 7.Fu Xuan 8. Black Swan 9. Tingyun 10. Pela As a Nihility Enjoyer im eating good ngl 😅
I see, the dot comp is queen. I'll definitely save for the Kafka + Black Swan duo with Huo Huo and hopefully any other units to compliment them in the future.
Nice to see i invested on good characters in both my accounts, my main is DoT whit Kafka,blackswan,Ruan Mei and huohuo and my 2nd have Ruan Mei and E6S1 Acheron
I think I only disagree with Jingliu. I'm not downplaying her strength, but she's "just" a normal crit DPS (and her strength isn't unmatched). I actually think Topaz would fit that position more if we're considering long-term value, because she enables FUA teams and her value will only grow with time (I don't have her but FUA comps have promise). The reason I'm not knocking down Acheron is because she's kind of a rainbow DPS, so that adds to her value.
You can go FUA and do crazy dmg even without topaz. Shes mid af, while jingliu easy to build and can brute force MoC even without ice weakness. Can your topaz do that? No at max she deals 30k without fire weakness 😅😅😅
@@reedsad4652 I don't have Topaz - I don't like her, I just think her kit is interesting. I think you're underestimating her though, her value doesn't lie in being a solo carry. She's a buffer for FUA teams, which is a particular niche that I'm sure will only shine more as time goes on. As fun as he is, chances are Ratio will be powercrept at some point. Topaz will last as long as her specific niche isn't replaced. Which will take more time compared to just a stronger DPS. That being said, she's not as valuable/irreplaceable as a Kafka who truly is the core of DOT teams, that goes without saying. Also, every limited 5* DPS can bruteforce. The incentive to fight "on element" isn't that strong (whether it's a good or a bad thing). The difference between being on and off element is just 1 cycle in MoC, so that's not really a great argument. Jingliu's advantage is that she's easy to build, no doubt. But she'll be powercrept at some point, that's what I mean.
@@Tam-lv1mp Wild to prioritize a random DPS who's tied for 2nd best over a specialist unit... You think she's "mid" because you don't understand how she works. She's not a hypercarry. Topaz is an enabler, she scales with her team. Her uniqueness is her strength - and this is coming from someone who dislikes Topaz. If say, the upcoming Jade does the same kind of thing, it'll naturally change my mind but right now, her kit is unique, which makes her more valuable.
as someone who does have e0s1 DHIL and a sparkle, i do have to say, he definitely belongs in the top 10 for sure, for me personally even above jingliu. i don't have her sigLC, nor do i have bronya built (yet), i just got her from the 300 selector. also, pela will be in my acheron team at all times, so i can't even make use of her ice res down and penacony set. i just never use jingliu nowadays cause her damage is just so low without her best team, sigLC and good relics
You can’t compare a dhil with a five star support to just a Jing liu with her best support either. If you did so JL would have him beat. Dhil is mid without sparkle and with her he is top 15 maybe but queen liu is probably too 5
@@Tam-lv1mp i would disagree with that. before the release of sparkle, yes, jingliu was stronger. but after sparkle came out, dhil was at the top of all tierlists, right next to jingliu. they are both very good, but arguably dhil is even a bit better than jingliu, because of sparkle. it's close though. what i mean is that although in earlier patches jingliu was better than dhil, now they are pretty much on the same level (if i had to rank them, they would both share second place, just under acheron of course). but of course that's just from what i've read and also my personal experience with both those units.
1). Ruan Mei 2). Fu Xuan 3). Kafka 4). Huohuo 5). Acheron 6). Jingliu 7). Sparkle 8). Silver Wolf 9). Black Swan 10). Blade (He’s the only good wind dps outside of DOT)
@@MoonnverseI forgor cuz she was so low on the list 🥲 still don’t think Black Swan deserves top 10 with how Kafka reliant she is. Inbibitor Lunae in Black Swan’s place.
I think Bronya could potentially share a slot with Sparkle as they do have semi-similar perks (except extra SP like Sparkle), it depends on the person's playstyle/account :)
@@Moonnverse oh totally. Like for me personally I have a pretty follow up heavy account, so sparkle was a no brainier for me with her 2 turn buff to actually help LL unlike Bronya
You brought old memories back with mentioning aromages. I use to be aromage player in yugioh duel links when it was meta. I even went on to have 13 streak in kaiba corp tournament. My other deck was blackwing Oh man golden days for duel links
My list would be e2 rm e2 sparkle and e2 s1 Acheron instead of 10 different characters and save the rest if I still have left over to go hard for a future dps.
looks like its Sparkle that i didnt roll, can't be blame, i'm just a F2p pleb, i got Black Swan last time and didnt roll for Sparkle since Acheron is next, and luckily somehow got Acheron on E0S1 (and the rest of my limited characters just E0S0 lols), and Pela, demn, since she's always popping out when i roll on both standard banner and limited banner, she's the first that is E6 to me lols
Silver wolf is very much worthwhile, I did have some others give feedback on this particular list before I fully released this video. Would you swap someone out for her, or add her as a very nice notable mention?
I don't think you need to add 2 crit dps in this list acheron alone should be enough as she is literally the best dps and you can easily swap silverwolf with Jingliu as she provides more utility and after sparkle release mono quantum is one of the most comfortable team to run and she is also very good with acheron. Can also consider topaz because of her synergies with other follow of characters
Silverwolf is a really interesting character because she destroys single target and enables mono quantum. But other than that pela usually performs better. So she’s like a… 9.2 🤷♂️ or a 10 shared with pela
Amazing DPS in every RPG always captivates me, thus being number one in my heart. Supporting characters, however good they are, are just secondary to me because they just "support"; they are not the main stars of the show. Using the Oscar terms, Acheron will receive the Best Actress award, while Ruan Mei will get the Best Supporting award.
I feel like black swan and pela(E6) should be a bit higher ranked especially with the current team comps going on now ruan mei rank is perfect but u missed imbabitor lunae (and you still have the most relaxing voice 🌹)
I stopped playing HSR for a short while last year and i missed out on The High Cloud Quintet and Kafka and only got back into it when Huohuo/Huehhueh was running. The period that i was gone was enough to generate enough pulls that i managed to get her to E1 which was nuts. I'm waiting for Kafka & Blade next rerun cos they came at a time i wasn't prepared/planning for pulling.
This makes me sad that not a single male character made it on this list. I guess the male characters in this game are really bad in comparison to the female characters
I have all the characters that are listed but mostly only the 5 stars built. (besides pela) I will be rolling for robin next since I have a good 2 to 3 dps teams for different content.
A question: I have just started Honkai star rail 2 weeks ago, How will I able to get old character likte seele, Acheron e.tc I currently have firefly avalible in Wrap store and Have unlocked boothill.
Let me know which characters you consider worthy of Top 10/Best :D!
#1 is arlan
@@ACorpseOnMQ omg lol
As the number one alarn main you can’t say he ain’t 😡 grrrrrr
@@ACorpseOnMQ i still want to build him to see his full potential
@@Moonnverse Pull Blade's LC for him 🤣
I think other than Acheron, the Black swan Kafka duo is probably the strongest team in the game it’s basically just “the enemy is already dead before it’s even their turn” and I love it lol😭
Omae wa mō shindeiru
@@lazyjeff28 nani?!
Dhil sparkle is probably stronger we also haven't had an moc without dot buff yet since the duo came out
@@a.r5235 dhil ? Who's that ?
@@mickaelb3382 Dan Heng Imbibitor Lunae
Mr.Pokke respectfully whispering dirty words right in my left ear:
Haha did notice it only came in on left side. 😃
Genuinely
Saw this comment before I got to pokkes part and I was very confused
my headphone jack is busted so i have to usually adjust the wire to make sure the sound is coming out right and when he started speaking i tried fixing my shit and ended up messing it up lol. then i was confused af because i didn't know if the issue was on my end or not.
@@winterycold hey i came to that part and the video went silent, do you please know whats the problem?
Kafka and ruan mei easily are the best pulls I ever made. (Waiting patiently to pick fu xuan on rerun to be my first limited sustain)
Amazing picks for sure! They've both been amazing for me when it comes to clearing content.
i got kafka ruanmei and acheron but i didnt manage to get blackswan... my to pull list goes blackswan boothill fuxuan or huo huo
so you wont go for aventurine?
@@anapple6912 nah dont plan on investing in FUA team (I know he is still good in other teams) and I have the mono quantum core although its not as powerful of a team nowadays (Silverwolf,sparkle,e6 qq).
I know I wont have enough for both so I am sticking with saving for fu xuan
Ruan Mei was the unit for me who quite literally changed everything. It's thanks to her that DoT now has a support because of how universal her buffs are and now I'm a DoT enjoyer with my Kafka + Black Swan + Ruan Mei team. Other than DoT, she's just the BEST support ever, I was very lucky to get her at early pity. I love Ruan Mei so much.
EDIT: Queen is Top 1, absolutely deserved!
I keep seing the word "DoT" everywhere, what does it mean?
@@abbeyfre Damage Over Time
Ruan Mei definitely deserved that spot. She's as future proof as Acheron because we don't even have her best possible teammates yet. Any future dps releases focusing on break are going to be absolutely absurd when paired with her.
Boothill is going to be insane from the leaks I have saw, really surprised they made him that strong, especially with ruan mei, but if we ever get an aoe break character going to be even more insane.
im also excited for a 5 star version of pela. Imagine a nihility unit who is pseudo-harmony
yeah like boothill
@@tweezy5804Breaker Team☠️
@@ngm6541 yeahh wait for yaoqiu
I really feel like Acheron is one of the best to pull for dps, Ruan Mei for support and Huo Huo for sustain. All of them have their unbeatable uses and can last for years to come.
Should I pull for huo huo if I have bailu or save for someone else? (Aventurine, jingliu, Mei, etc)
@@crusty_twig It very much depends on characters and account but go for Huo Huo and/or Aventurine with at least 1 premium healer and sheilder be built, otherwise go for Jingliu if you don't have premium damage and Ruan Mei if you don't have her already.
@@zaetorian
But if you haven't anything of what you supposed, just only acheron, what's your advice ?
Aventurine or huohuo or ruan mey ?
I want a DoT team (waiting rerun Kafka/BS) beside my acheron team, then who you think is good between all of them ?
Have just 130 pulls, i'm on 50/50, just start the game and have only acheron in 5*
@@mickaelb3382 get huo huo as her ultimate provides the Dot team with more value compared to aventurine. if ruan mei reruns first then get her and then get huo huo or vice versa if you are struggling hard to survive then get aventurine (we still dont know when huo huo and ruan mei are gonna rerun but i assume ruan mei is going to be on 2.2)
130 pulls is enough if you are lucky, not to mention the extra 10 pull we are gonna get on 26th of april, the 300 jades from the livestream and other events where you can get jades like the one going on right now.
@@anapple6912
Thx bro' ! ;)
Before the release of Adventurine, Fu Xuan is one of the characters I didn't regret pulling. She makes most content trivial.✌️😁
Fu Xuan is amazing! Such a great sustainer :)
Il pull jingliu and wait for her.
Even once he comes out you won't regret. He is BIS on follow up attack teams and in Sim Uni but Fu Xuan's crit makes team building easier which is under-rated outside of DoT (where Huo Huo is queen) and he sustain will still be top tier outside of the few odd occasions where a shield is better than her mechanics (Monkey boss or big enough nukes to kill her with redirected damage)
dawg it’s aventurine not adventurine
@@SirMitsuruji5 do you have Acheron?
Kafka is easily the character I regret pulling the least. She opens up an entirely new style that takes little effort to get into since you don’t need to rely on good Crit stats, and just get attack and speed
Dot relic is the most hardest relics to maximize.
It’s hard to get atk and speed
8:10 Mr. Chokee yapping from underground 💀💀
Love it when content creators get together. Nice list keep up the good work
Holy shit that "Hello Internet" is like a jumpscare lmao, hello goddoggos
HELLO INTERNET
@@Moonnverse WELCOME TO GAME THEORY
Ruan mei and black swan and kafka carried me more than anything and i cleard the su with nihility path with for star relx
the healing when enemies are dmged by dot nihility buff is op
@@ngm6541 am still surprised that it’s a 1 star card and not 3 star card
Really liked that all your cc friends came to explain these characters kit.. Loved that!!
Acheron will just improve again if they're ever release a new 5s nihility or debuffer sustainer
Foreshadowing 👀
@harshpandya7834 did i say something wrong?
ooh i heard aventurine could be her shield sustain unit since the only debuff sustainer is a 4 star in gallagheer
Jiaoqui is this btw. Search it up.
Jiaoqui as 5*fire nihility be like🗿🗿🗿
Acheron is the entire top 10 for me, she can ult basically every turn
Acheron Supremacy.
yas
Comment boost.
MY top 10 -- Acheron, DHIL, Sparkle, Fu Xuan, Ruan Mei, Aventurine, Jing Liu, Kafka, Jing Yuan, Tingyuan.
I know Blade is outdated but he saved my asş bro. I literally might be the luckiest casual players. When I get enough pulls for a character it was Blade/ruan mei banner and since my dps was Trailblazer at that time I know I needed to chose blade (plus everthing about him is so cool dude) but I if I didnt had Bailu I would still be cooked(I wanted welt when I first started but ınstead of what I want I got what I need, and I am thankfull lol), now my the team I am using most is Blade, Dr Ratio, Sparkle and Loucha
I wouldn't say Blade is outdated, just that he hasn't gotten a buffer that works for his niche. He is currently the only character that has split scaling with HP. If we get a buffer for him he'll be in a better position. People thought Jing Yuan would remain mid but it seems like he keeps getting shadow buffed (Sparkle, Topaz, Follow up dps set) Not to mention Blade makes for a solid sub dps due to his sp neutrality. He's my favorite character, pulled him and his light cone on his release and then his e1 on rerun.
Aventurine gonna be up there once he releases, mhm.
If the criteria of the list is high investment. Then, I would replace Jingliu for DHIL as he is the best dps for MoC. DHIL's main problem is he needs high investment. Sparkle pushes DHIL above Jingliu and Acheron in terms of damage against 1-3 enemies.
I would also replace Kafka with Silverwolf, if you view Kafka as a pseudo-support (DoT enabler). DoT is niche, so someone could get more general value out of silverwolf than kafka.
I agree with the rest of the list. My personal order would be:
1. Ruan Mei
2. Sparkle
3. Acheron
4. Fu Xuan
5. Huo Huo
6. Dan Heng IL
7. Black Swan
8. Pela
9. Silverwolf
10. Tingyun
Watch other content creators he does not out damage acheron at all. Plus acheron still doesnt have her dedicated support unlike DHIL who has sparkle already.
@@ngm6541 You are free to believe whatever, you want. From my personal experience DHIL does more damage than Acheron if they are hitting the SAME AMOUNT of enemies.
Also, that's exactly right, DHIL has Sparkle, which is the main reason he competes with Acheron. Without Sparkle, DHIL is very limited because of skill point consumption, but this list is based on high investment, so I believe he should be on it.
Stop coping man, DHIL in current MoC12 with imaginary weakness w/sparkle and tingyun 1 cycle most at E0S1. Now heres the thing, Jingliu can 1cycle brute force it even with no ice element with just bronya and pela. Smh😂😂😂
@@reedsad4652
Watch this video if you want. It's a damage showcase of Acheron, Jingliu, and DHIL.
th-cam.com/video/JUha0dLsVDU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=apWIJDt7u9LUDSbU
*Me when I spread misinformation on the internet*
Seeing both enablers kafka and Blackswan. It's weird for me not to see topaz on the list given how she strongly enables the whole FUA archetype..
Good video as always moon! 🎉
But of course Jingliu is there lol the most boring dps with no future value who's already been powercrept by Acheron. And don't get me started on the DHIL hate like he's nowhere to be seen even in the honourable mentions
I definitely don’t hate DHIL lol.
He can be in a person’s top 10, but I’m not going to make a bunch of notable mentions since that would make the list incredibly long, so I had to limit it.
I said twice within the video, if a character isn’t in this video doesn’t mean they’re bad. He is a good DPS, nobody is saying he’s not.
@@Moonnversebut by saying all of these characters are better is very much you calling him relatively bad. He is objectively better than jingliu if you have sparkle.
@@t0q14s9 that’s..not what that means at all. Where are you getting that if he’s not on this list he’s bad?
I tried to include supports, dps, and sustain. It’s not all DPS characters otherwise this would be a DPS top 10. If you think he’s better than Jingliu then that is fine, on your own list they would be swapped out, nothing is wrong with that. Nowhere did I call him bad, nor does him not being on the list mean all these characters are above him. That’s very account case-by-case, such as how you mentioned if you have sparkle.
Ruan mei is like Ecstacy, Once you tried her its not the same. When ruan mei is not on my main team its just not the same haha
I acidently got jing liu and she became my main😅 same with acherani
Sampo hypercarry goes hard ngl
If you got that 25% damage bonus all the time instead of just on the enemy turn that would make black swan easy s+
I hope to get Ruan Mei on her next rerun 😁
Imo it's Jing Yuan ironically and debatably. Had countless f2p light cones to choose from when I first started. Carried me early game in calx farming, simulated universe, swarm disaster, gold and gears, moc and pure fiction. Even against the big bug boss and against pre nerf aventurine boss. He's pretty universal for the amount of investment he needs. Not to mention, he gets indirectly buffed every patch.
Sometimes, I don't even know his actual path because you technically want his lightening lord to NOT attack swarms but 1-2 enemies and instead use his skill and ult to finish up swarms. He's quite the jack of all trades icing destruction, hunt and erudition path. If you want a do it all character. Hopefully there would be a support that advances summon speed in the future since there is already a blessing like that in SU.
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Until u notice serval can do the same.
@@Weji514 until it’s just a game
destruction how?
@@Weji514 she sucks against single target. I actually built serval because people like you were recommending her. From personal experience, she’s just cope JY. Sure I can make her work in pure fiction(still worse than JY due to lower base attack) but moc is another story.
Omg I love your avatar so much. Its already cute af but all the new outfits you have been showing off look so good!
Thank you :)
Glad I pulled Sparkle, Archeon whom carried me a lot of Contents.
Argenti, I love him with a passion, i went from struggling beating STORY BOSSES, to sweeping them like nothing
Bah, the only male on the list was an honorable mention of Aventurine at the end. Alas, I only use male units.
At the end of the day playing who’s fun/enjoyable to you is the best way to play :). (I love playing Serval lol), what’s your team?
@@Moonnverse My fav team to run is Blade/Luocha/Sampo/Welt! I do swap around Welt or Sampo depending on what coverage I need, and recently I've been playing with a follow up team with Dr. Ratio/Luocha/Jing Yuan/whoever I can shove in that has follow up or debuffs. If I can get Aventurine I'll make it Aventurine/Dr. Ratio/Jing Yuan/maybe Luocha? maybe Sampo?
I just wish that HSR would give more variety in types/classes in male units. I missed Argenti and Luka keeps dodging me so I have no physical coverage, and there just aren't any male harmony or quantum units in the game yet...gah. But if you need mono-imaginary...I have it...ha...
I guess silver wolf should be included ( weakness manipulation and single target defence shred) not to mention with acherons release her value just keeps increasing
Until new dps can add their own elemental weakness to enemy
Like boothil
Ruan Mei about to drop down the list when the Harmony Trailblazer comes out 😅
They both work well together tho? Harmony tb need enemy to break and ruan mei madenit easier + buff break dmg
Ruan Mei(support unit) and Acheron(DPS) are two characters who I dare say won't be able to power crept anytime in the near future unless they want to absolutely break the game. That's how much broken the two of them are.
this list was pretty expected on alot of these. DHIL not in this list is interesting but since the other two 5 star dpses don't care as much about who are they with(Acheron doesn't care about any specific Nihility units, and Jingliu can be slot in whatever harmony or whatever unit you have even though DHIL can dish out higher damage at high investment.). i guess it makes sense
Dhil can’t keep up with the powerhouses of Jing liu and Acheron. He is still decent and should pull for him if you like him but at e0 he simply is not anywhere near top 10 pull recommendation
@@Tam-lv1mp hmm... isn't Jl's Damage ceiling lower than DanIL. but even so i guess maybe you're right especially with how SP dependant he is... compares to Jl and Acheron.
Having 7 out of the top 10 units (I don't have Jingliu, Huohuo, Qingque I do have but she's not built and I'm not using her so I'm not counting her) makes me pretty happy because this means my account might be safe from future challenges or at least be able to clear future content without struggling extremely hard xD
“Ruan mei!! 🤗🥰😝‼️”…. Robin grinning widely in the background
Where's DHIL? He's more powerful then Jingliu, Especially with the release of Sparkle. I easily clear all content with him regardless of elemental type. It's a shame he doesn't get the respect he clearly deserves. The only dps more powerful then DHIL is Acheron. 💯
Dhil are so delusional. Queen liu and Acheron are just leagues ahead of dhil on all criteria.
Acheron and ruan mei are pretty interchangeable to me. If you have both you probably have both sides of moc taken care of.
Respectfully no. Fu Xuan is two behind Ruan Mei. Fu was a mistake from the devs because she has effect res damage mitigation and is so easy a child can use her.
Look at what feels 99% of MOC clears and you will see her. She is One or Two because you can't clear end game with a dead team. Fu literally provides all the sustain and crit rate buffs. She is the best sustain in the game and has been since her release.
So again respectfully hard disagree with this.
I'll take RM glazing any day of the week. She's just a cheat code for the game (especially at e1). You slap her with any DPS and they become gods (except maybe arlan lol). You could've added PF units to the notable mentions list (Herta/Himeko/Argenti), but like PF is such piss easy that it honestly doesnt matter.
I was considering adding PF units too but I felt like the video would’ve been very long haha! I might eventually make a PF list
IMO, the top 10 Pull/Build Value Characters (in no particular order) consist of 1. Ruan Mei 2. Huo huo 3. Sparkle 4. Acheron 5. Jing Liu 6. Fu Xuan 7. Silver Wolf 8. Tingyun 9. Pela and 10. Bronya. I always encourage people to prioritise two sustains and Fu Xuan/Huo Huo are the best in the game (Aventurine could shake this up). Support Characters always get the most usage out of your account and last FAR longer compared to DPS characters. As for DPS because they are the most prone to "power-creep" and i chose only two, Acheron & Jing Liu as they are by a solid margin not only the strongest, but the easiest to work around which is crucial for newer players. I didn't include DOT or FUA archetypes as those are vertical investments and typically for newer players, having a wide roster is better than having a specific one for coverage, that said those vertical investments are more 'protected' as Kafka/Topaz will only get stronger with new characters compared to conventional hyper carries who easily phase in and out of use.
Bronya no banner 😅
@@reedsad4652 everyone can get her for free eventually through the selector or simply just pull better 💀
@@blazeyprime4470in high investment JingLiu is below DHIL. She's only good if u hate minmaxing character
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When you have none of the 5 star characters on this list
Ruan mei supremacy!!! I’ve never regret one bit of pulling her and she’s my first 5 star that i started the game with. Shes amazing.
Himeko is the best because she Himeko enough said. Thank you for your time.
Since the day i "accidently" pulled Ruan Mei, shes always in any of my teams. She doesnt leave. The best "accident" EVER.
Ruan Mei supremacy.
something small but convenient that i dont see many people talk about is how nice huohuo is for activating abundance blessings in simu
Good job getting Mr. Pokke to call in from a 1990's payphone while he's on vacation! 😂 I think I can cosign this list for the most part, the only things I reacted to were Black Swan and Kafka being so far from each other (I'd prob put them at 4 and 5 or something), and honestly I might have to give #1 to Acheron, but I can definitely also see Ruan Mei at the top. Maybe I'd call it a tie.
LOL he recorded it with his phone and I think it’s hilarious
You can replace swan with sampo and its just 20 to 30% dmg diff. But replace kafka and its not the same
@@reedsad4652 I'd be inclined to agree before, but after seeing Black Swan holding her own even without Kafka I feel like they're a little closer to each other.
@@Moonnverse 😂 absolute cinema
11:25 what do you mean alot of players didn't pulls for her?!? Her kit is broken. The only character I was willing to lose a 50/50 for as a f2p other than upcoming SAM banner. Huohuo being partial harmony makes her so strong compared to other healers.
I think one of the best pulls I've made in this game is definitely Ruan Mei. I bring her everywhere and she does her job exceptionally well 🎉
As A Day 1 F2p Player I Approve Of This Video
Not that it matters but I'm not a paid chatter 😂
All characters just in case;
1. Ruan Mei
2. Acheron
3. Kafka
4.Sparkle
5.Jingliu
6. Huo huo
7.Fu Xuan
8. Black Swan
9. Tingyun
10. Pela
As a Nihility Enjoyer im eating good ngl 😅
Notable Mentions: Aventurine and Black Swan
#10 Topaz
#9 Silver Wolf
#8 Fu Xuan/Bronya
#6 Feixiao
#5 Jiaoqiu
#4 Sparkle
#3 Jade
#2 Acheron
#1 Ruan Mei
for me:
1. acheron
2. fu xuan
3. huo huo
4. ruan mei
5. dan heng il
6. sparkle
7. silver wolf
8. kafka
9. Black Swan
10. Jingliu
I see, the dot comp is queen. I'll definitely save for the Kafka + Black Swan duo with Huo Huo and hopefully any other units to compliment them in the future.
I standby this, Fu Xuan to me is the best character in game (completely unbiased BTW) LUL
Nice to see i invested on good characters in both my accounts, my main is DoT whit Kafka,blackswan,Ruan Mei and huohuo and my 2nd have Ruan Mei and E6S1 Acheron
Wow, E6 Archeon. 😯 Good tolerance!
Why DHIL not in the list ?
With Sparkle, he’s now stronger and easier to use so he deserves to be in this list
I think I only disagree with Jingliu. I'm not downplaying her strength, but she's "just" a normal crit DPS (and her strength isn't unmatched). I actually think Topaz would fit that position more if we're considering long-term value, because she enables FUA teams and her value will only grow with time (I don't have her but FUA comps have promise).
The reason I'm not knocking down Acheron is because she's kind of a rainbow DPS, so that adds to her value.
You can go FUA and do crazy dmg even without topaz. Shes mid af, while jingliu easy to build and can brute force MoC even without ice weakness. Can your topaz do that? No at max she deals 30k without fire weakness 😅😅😅
@@reedsad4652 I don't have Topaz - I don't like her, I just think her kit is interesting. I think you're underestimating her though, her value doesn't lie in being a solo carry. She's a buffer for FUA teams, which is a particular niche that I'm sure will only shine more as time goes on. As fun as he is, chances are Ratio will be powercrept at some point. Topaz will last as long as her specific niche isn't replaced. Which will take more time compared to just a stronger DPS. That being said, she's not as valuable/irreplaceable as a Kafka who truly is the core of DOT teams, that goes without saying.
Also, every limited 5* DPS can bruteforce. The incentive to fight "on element" isn't that strong (whether it's a good or a bad thing). The difference between being on and off element is just 1 cycle in MoC, so that's not really a great argument.
Jingliu's advantage is that she's easy to build, no doubt. But she'll be powercrept at some point, that's what I mean.
@@reedsad4652topaz has way more value in her kit than a sex appealing yanqing.
Topaz over JL is insane. JL is easily the second best dps in the game. Topaz is mid
@@Tam-lv1mp Wild to prioritize a random DPS who's tied for 2nd best over a specialist unit...
You think she's "mid" because you don't understand how she works. She's not a hypercarry. Topaz is an enabler, she scales with her team. Her uniqueness is her strength - and this is coming from someone who dislikes Topaz.
If say, the upcoming Jade does the same kind of thing, it'll naturally change my mind but right now, her kit is unique, which makes her more valuable.
Yeah i got ruan mei and her light cone and shes never left my team since, absolutely busted
as someone who does have e0s1 DHIL and a sparkle, i do have to say, he definitely belongs in the top 10 for sure, for me personally even above jingliu. i don't have her sigLC, nor do i have bronya built (yet), i just got her from the 300 selector. also, pela will be in my acheron team at all times, so i can't even make use of her ice res down and penacony set. i just never use jingliu nowadays cause her damage is just so low without her best team, sigLC and good relics
You can’t compare a dhil with a five star support to just a Jing liu with her best support either. If you did so JL would have him beat. Dhil is mid without sparkle and with her he is top 15 maybe but queen liu is probably too 5
@@Tam-lv1mp i would disagree with that. before the release of sparkle, yes, jingliu was stronger. but after sparkle came out, dhil was at the top of all tierlists, right next to jingliu. they are both very good, but arguably dhil is even a bit better than jingliu, because of sparkle.
it's close though.
what i mean is that although in earlier patches jingliu was better than dhil, now they are pretty much on the same level
(if i had to rank them, they would both share second place, just under acheron of course).
but of course that's just from what i've read and also my personal experience with both those units.
1). Ruan Mei
2). Fu Xuan
3). Kafka
4). Huohuo
5). Acheron
6). Jingliu
7). Sparkle
8). Silver Wolf
9). Black Swan
10). Blade (He’s the only good wind dps outside of DOT)
Having Black Swan on here but not Tingyun is kinda crazy lol. Especially since Black Swan is reliant on Kafka.
? Tingyun is on the list
@@MoonnverseI forgor cuz she was so low on the list 🥲 still don’t think Black Swan deserves top 10 with how Kafka reliant she is. Inbibitor Lunae in Black Swan’s place.
It’s gonna be strange now not seeing Bronya in peoples top 10’s anymore.
I think Bronya could potentially share a slot with Sparkle as they do have semi-similar perks (except extra SP like Sparkle), it depends on the person's playstyle/account :)
@@Moonnverse oh totally. Like for me personally I have a pretty follow up heavy account, so sparkle was a no brainier for me with her 2 turn buff to actually help LL unlike Bronya
Maybe because she is SP negative.
Not putting Dan Heng IL on the list is wild
i pulled jingliu and i regret nothing
I miss only Huohuo in this list since I was saving for Ruan Mei. But I'll get her on her rerun.
finally someone agrees with me about black swan suiting yu-gi-oh, she would probably play aromage or ghostrick!
You brought old memories back with mentioning aromages.
I use to be aromage player in yugioh duel links when it was meta.
I even went on to have 13 streak in kaiba corp tournament.
My other deck was blackwing
Oh man golden days for duel links
Moon are you pulling Aventurine
Yes I will be :)
Good Top.. for me 1. Acheron 2. Ruan Mei 3. Kafka 4. Huohio 5. Black Swan
Had to post before aventurine came out cause Aventurine would solo
Genuinely, why was that one guy doing left ear ASMR!! Respectfully uncalled for
mr Pokke on vacation
My clutch team lately has been Acheron, Adventurine, Pelangi, and (weird enough) Sampo lol at first it was Gallagher but, I E6 Sampo and ots been fun.
My list would be e2 rm e2 sparkle and e2 s1 Acheron instead of 10 different characters and save the rest if I still have left over to go hard for a future dps.
looks like its Sparkle that i didnt roll, can't be blame, i'm just a F2p pleb, i got Black Swan last time and didnt roll for Sparkle since Acheron is next, and luckily somehow got Acheron on E0S1 (and the rest of my limited characters just E0S0 lols), and Pela, demn, since she's always popping out when i roll on both standard banner and limited banner, she's the first that is E6 to me lols
Like i didn't understand why any dps enabler silverwolf is not even in the list.
Silver wolf is very much worthwhile, I did have some others give feedback on this particular list before I fully released this video. Would you swap someone out for her, or add her as a very nice notable mention?
I don't think you need to add 2 crit dps in this list acheron alone should be enough as she is literally the best dps and you can easily swap silverwolf with Jingliu as she provides more utility and after sparkle release mono quantum is one of the most comfortable team to run and she is also very good with acheron. Can also consider topaz because of her synergies with other follow of characters
Silverwolf is a really interesting character because she destroys single target and enables mono quantum. But other than that pela usually performs better. So she’s like a… 9.2 🤷♂️ or a 10 shared with pela
Adventurine outfit fits sooo well too!!!♠
Agree! It’s Aventurine tho
@isky6541 oh you're right my bad!
@@iDrKx no biggie! Used to call him that too
2:07 I got excited for my boy Jing Yuan 😭
Silver wolf and Aventurine change my mind
Not me thinking Acheron was gonna be Number 1 again 😭
Amazing DPS in every RPG always captivates me, thus being number one in my heart. Supporting characters, however good they are, are just secondary to me because they just "support"; they are not the main stars of the show. Using the Oscar terms, Acheron will receive the Best Actress award, while Ruan Mei will get the Best Supporting award.
#1 Ruan Mei feels correct 🤩🥰😌
Came back to game after first Jing Liu banner and dang I missed the Acheron banner
I feel like black swan and pela(E6) should be a bit higher ranked especially with the current team comps going on now ruan mei rank is perfect but u missed imbabitor lunae (and you still have the most relaxing voice 🌹)
All my 5 stars mostly e0 but yeah lovin my acheron,kafka,black swan and ruan mei! Missed out on my sparkle 😢
I stopped playing HSR for a short while last year and i missed out on The High Cloud Quintet and Kafka and only got back into it when Huohuo/Huehhueh was running. The period that i was gone was enough to generate enough pulls that i managed to get her to E1 which was nuts.
I'm waiting for Kafka & Blade next rerun cos they came at a time i wasn't prepared/planning for pulling.
I’m also in the same boat, except that I stopped HSR after Sliver wolf’s release and just rejoined the game on Acheron’s banner.
The pixel art is so cool/cute
Hmm top 10 uh no particular order. Acheron, ruan mei, sparkle, brokya, jing Liu, huo huo, fu xuan, pela, kafka, black swan/silver wolf
This makes me sad that not a single male character made it on this list. I guess the male characters in this game are really bad in comparison to the female characters
That's just how gacha games go. Everybody glazes the female's.
Whomp whomp. Cry about it
Pokke with Hwe hwe over e2dhil proves the point that Ourchron has Powercrept.
!e2dhil
I have all the characters that are listed but mostly only the 5 stars built. (besides pela) I will be rolling for robin next since I have a good 2 to 3 dps teams for different content.
Bro I had by left headphone ear off and could barely hear the huo huo part and was so confused why it was so quiet
i was just hearing music and thought why is no one talking xd
Fu xuan not being 1st is crazy to me
Top 10: 10/Pela 9/Tingyun 8/Black Swan 7/ Fu Xuan 6/Huohuo 5/Jingliu 4/Sparkle 3/Kafka 2/Acheron 1/Ruan Mei
I completely agree with this
Love the aventurine drip at the beginning
Thank you!
A question: I have just started Honkai star rail 2 weeks ago, How will I able to get old character likte seele, Acheron e.tc I currently have firefly avalible in Wrap store and Have unlocked boothill.
Same bro 😁
great list but i think it would be better if you replaced the entire list with argenti
Pokke not saying: Respedpulley coming in is just rude 😤
No Dan Heng IL 💀
Oh so dot is dammage overtime
The only weakness of ruan mei is she is only one so you cant use her for both phase in MoC