I have a head cannon that in season 2 she had never been in a mental hospital but the new past that the monks made when they made dawn included a bit where dawn is the reason her parents found out and put buffy in the hospital. It makes more sense if it was the monks that retconned it
Surely, Buffy was just remembering the events that had led to alternate-reality Buffy being sectioned?- Her memories were muddied from being pulled, back and forth, between the two realities. She had swapped between the two lives several times at that point in the episode and was at breaking point. Unsure of what was real. Open to the idea that everyone in our-Buffy’s universe was the lie. I don’t trust that “I was sectioned” story any more than I trust the idea that she wanted all of her friends (plus Dawn) dead and gone.
To be fair spike did film her in the halloween episode, made a Buffy shrine when Drusilla came back, stole her underwear in season t and watched her and riley from the window, and built a buffy sex robot so had Buffy never got xlose to him in this way I think its entirely plausible that he could use hidden cameras.
I think this makes sense as to why Xander would believe this, because he is still viewing Spike as that same person and not the one the currently was in a relationship with Buffy. It makes little sense for Buffy to think this.
30:00 I think with Xander, he wanted to marry Anya but he doesn't want to have a marriage like his parents have and he's terrified of becoming like them.
Unfortunately, that's what happens in this world. A couple marries, but their differences catch up with them, they begin arguing and hating each other. Xander clearly had a neglectful and alcoholic father and did not want to end up like him.
Entropy is a great name for the episode here. We can see the Season collapsing into complete randomness and disorder created by past events. The Anya/Xander meeting is so awkward, when she asks him again about getting married, he still can't commit, and Anya continues the pressure, this looks like the final straw, he keeps telling her he loves her but this isn't enough. Interesting comedy bits when Anya approaches Willow, Tara, Buffy and Dawn about hating men, and she says to Tara and Willow 'what kind of lesbians are you'. She realises that the Scoobies will never turn against Xander. A great dramatic conversation with Spike and Buffy when he tells her to 'get out' he says it with such venom we just know things have now changed. Halfrek of course obviously a bad influence on Anya who thinks Spike could be an ally. Once Spike and Anya get drunk, we inevitably see what is going to happen ( a true life reflection again, as many times this randomly happens once alcohol is involved ). Willow of course is trying to find the source of the cameras, but boy are they in for a surprise. Strangely we can see Buffy is actually hurt watching Spike have sex with Anya, he has kept her secret up until now, but as he has now totally rejected Buffy lets it out to Xander and Anya. Xander just cannot believe this is happening all at once, but that is the Entropy. Now the whole 'can of worms' has been opened, and the Entropy that is Pandora's Box' cannot be closed.
You know, I always felt it was a weird way to end the show but it makes sense in a kind of way; this series is classic because it did everything different.
This episode is SO FRIGGING GOOD. Jesus, like a kick in the gut. Fan-frigging-tastic. This season in general is just absolutely great. Every time I think about it, I'm leaning more and more towards six being my favorite season.
IMO the "normal" episode is very important to the series structure. As for Joyce seemingly having complete amnesia about that, the ability for ordinary people, especially Joyce, to forget and ignore what is really going on has been established over and over right from the pilot episode... and is also a very important theme of the show and the underlying metaphor. Has it really been eight months?
When it comes to Buffy's emotions for Spike, I think that you are trying to figure out which of two things are true when they both can be simultaneously true. Does Buffy have a real attraction to Spike, along with some jealously of her sexual partner being with other people? Yes. Was Buffy just using Spike to get through a truly dark period of depression and does she see Spike as an unlovable monster that she could never have a real relationship with? Also yes. Spike has shown his good side, and it's incredibly easy to see how someone could have a strong attraction to him. He also has a monstrous side that makes him a terrible romantic prospect. Buffy is bouncing between those two sides of Spike, but as she got better mentally, the benefits of her situationship with him ceased to outweigh the harm. As a stupid analogy: I'm lactose intolerant. I love the taste of a lot of dairy products, but at a certain point I had to accept that the happiness I can derive from dairy products does not outweigh the pain they will cause me later.
All of Buffy and the Scoobies' past pre season 5 was altered by the Monks in order to account for Dawn so any perceived continuity issues from the last episode can be easily explained away
Don't know why this video never showed up in my notifications. Perhaps TH-cam's algorithm doesn't like it when updates are so far apart because I watch (and react to new) BtVS reactions practically every day.
Sadly, if Xander had just listened to what Anya said when he proposed he would still be dating her. He wasn't ready and she knew it, but he convinced her he was and then got cold feet and expected things to go back to them being fine when he didn't talk to her after leaving her at the alter. How hew acts at the end of this episode makes me feel more bad for the other three (Buffy, Spike, and Anya). His issue in this episode is the same as Willow had towards him in _Innocence_ when she discovered he was with Cordelia. What I mean by that is if Xander and Willow in _Innocence_ and this episode want to feel hurt, they have that right, but Willow taking it out on Xander when she heard him say he was never interested in her, and after Xander left Anya at the alter show anything, it is that others (in this case Anya and in _Innocence's_ case Xander) have a right to move on or be with someone who isn't the hurt individual. Xander taking it out on Spike because he's angry at Anya is not OK. I like how prefer the way Buffy handled it (who's shown to be doing better since Riley came to town). She told Spike it hurt her to see him with Anya without getting angry. The tone was a little negative, but it wasn't portraying anger. Anya telling Spike not to wish (which he wasn't thinking about on word choice) makes her the better person in dealing with her issues over Xander who still isn't. Spike is still soulless, and he wasn't entirely being with Anya to move on from Buffy. Despite not knowing he and Anya had been watched he wasn't sad or upset it happened and welcomed Buffy knowing, even if she reacted as she did. That's his soullessness, which says a lot about everyone else this season, also,. All four characters still have a lot of potential healing ahead of them, but this episode felt like the &#@! hit a doylist climactic fan and now things can move forward with those characters stories.
She definitely gained self confidence. It was a shame to see her go back to Willow. That was a step back for the character, but she is definitely the most mature of the lot.
It isnt necessarily a retcon about Buffy being institutionalised by Joyce and it not affecting her reaction to finding out Buffy is the Slayer in season 2. In season 2 - there is a big difference - Dawn doesnt exist. A Joyce worried about her younger daughter also may make a different decision - this can be a memory from the retcon by the monks!
there's also a little hint about it in the s2 finale when Joyce mentioned that Buffy should take to someone after telling her about being the slayer and Buffy delivers a very pointed "i'm not crazy" almost as if this isnt the first time her mother has become aware of her slayer powers.
I came here out of curiosity just to see if I did the right thing in unsubscribing when she disappeared the first time around. Two months since the last episode. Yep.
If she’d said something the first time around (not even going into detail, just saying “Hey, I’m going to be taking a break and don’t know when I’ll be back”), I don’t think everybody would be as frustrated with her but it’s really disrespectful just to ghost the TH-cam followers and update Patreon only. Edit: I’m not defending her, I’m only saying
Yup, exactly. While he's done plenty of evolving as a person, he still hasn't fully outgrown his particular version of toxic masculinity, and it jumps out in stressful moments like this.
He's a flawed guy. Some of that is intentional, some is maybe unintentional Joss Whedon projection.. But like, the result is a realistic, compelling character imo.
Xander, to me, very much feels like a character who was almost at his best due to the life or death situation he was dropped into starting in season 1. Every bad quality he has would also be bad in a normal, non-supernatural, life. Mainly it's his issues with possessiveness and entitlement towards women, as well as having trouble seeing things from other people's perspectives. On the flip side, he is very loyal to his friends and is absolutely ride or die in the most dangerous of situations. The best side of Xander comes out in those life or death scenarios that he's dropped into in this show. Almost everything wrong with Xander comes down to his romantic life, and those he views as potential romantic partners (and the feeling of entitlement that accompanies that).
I find it intriguing that people view Buffy as having feelings FOR Spike. I always read it as Buffy needing to find something that would make her feel ANYTHING, and she chose Spike because he's the one person she knows who has also died and fought their way out of a grave
I think there is more to it than that. Buffy does have feelings for Spike, but she also recognises what he is, so she has that accompanying disgust. It's like in real life, sometimes we feel attraction to someone that we know sucks, and if we are smart, we ignore those feelings because otherwise we can end up in super toxic situations. Buffy's initial attraction to Spike wasn't a problem, but because she was so depressed and desperately searching for some sort of feeling, she allowed herself to get entangled with Spike, and something deeper than a base crush developed. But deep down, she still understood that he is, at his core, a soulless monster, and incapable of healthy love. So once her mental state stabilised, she was able to let go of the crutch. You could kinda envision the depression as a cancer and Spike as chemotherapy. Chemo is literally poison, but it's better than dying of cancer. But once that cancer is gone, continuing with chemo would just be self-harm.
If you want a show where it's season 4 and yes they did just have a payoff for a tiny thing planted in season 1 and yes it was actually planned... It exists and it's called Babylon 5 :) (I'd love your analysis of that show)
I know I forget about these reactors when there is this much of a gap in posting! Not to throw shade.... I love Ally.... but more frequent posts would be appreciated! I get life gets in the way but I really am forgetting she's even doing reactions! Maybe she's more active on patreon?
You missed the part where Buffy said that her parents forget that they put her in the mental institutuion just like people tend to do with supernatural occurances.. These writers were too good.
"I am so nervous that something is going to happen with Willow and Tara is going to get hurt again." O_O * * * * Joss Whedon wouldn't do anything like that. At all.
Marriage used to be a bigger change, and a more attractive one, when people weren't having sex with and moving in with their BF or GF because the social more was that that is wrong. The currency has been devalued by the casualization of sex. The old premarital withholding would have concentrated Xander's mind about, and motivated him to think through the issues which leave him unready to marry in his early 20s. The old saying was, when divorce was also stigmatised, "marry in haste, repent at leisure." It's not good to be stuck with the wrong person, and people should take their time to decide. So he's not entirely wrong, it's just that because their relationship began with Anya seducing him, it's proceeded in the wrong order, without him doing the homework before the morning it was due, and having to ask for an extension. The episode is one of the soapiest in BTVS. Very little happening except relationship chats, and the defining soap element of exactly the wrong people finding out about a transgression almost immediately. There's room for soapiness, but it's not the original premise and draw of the show.
Marriage is a completely out of date concept. There is literally no point to its existence today, unless you want a tax break or something. Also, you're wrong. The old "premarital withholding" would have deranged Xander and made him DESPERATE to get married. The lack of withholding precisely takes away desperation and allows a decision to be made with a clear and focused mind, at least for those who still believe in antiquated rituals like marriage. You want a man like Xander to "take his time to decide" while physically desperate? Yeah, good luck with that!
@@davidmeadows5627 No, the switchover took place during the 1980s, marked by the show Friends. The conflict between mores is zero sum, because in each, whatever isn't stigmatised is validated and vice versa, whatever isn't punished is rewarded and vice versa, and whatever isn't normalised is abnormalised and vice versa. The result of the switchover of mores is that what was virtuous is villified by those of your opinion, and what was dubious and improper is now the requirement, in terms of shagging vs waiting and planning for marriage. But it's just consumerism applied to the personal, bourgeois ideology in the bedroom, in place of morality. I don't buy into the bigotry of present conventionalism against all previous generations. It's childish and ignorant. The conventional in every period is questionable because its based on wanting to fit in rather than on thinking things through properly. Our ancestors were just as intelligent as us. Paleolithic humans had larger braincases than post-agricultural humans. What is good and true remains good and true regardless of the mere passage of time, especially on matters of how to live, because the essentials of human character don't change. Truth is always true by definition, otherwise there is no such thing as truth, and the belief that there is no truth is self-negating and anti-scientific. Marriage is a higher standard of commitment. It is supposed to be an unconditional commitment, and for that reason it is also a higher standard of romance. It therefore deserves much more careful consideration before hand.
Some rough stuff, but at least all that Tara/Willow angst is finally behind us... right, bestie? On an unrelated note, it's so weird how the whole series just got abruptly canceled after this episode. I guess we'll never find out what petty, pointless final scheme the Trio were going to come up with, or how the writers would try to somehow frame it as a Big Bad level threat for the season.
Wait what does Alley mean in Supernatural "John wasn't a hunter?" In the very first episode of Supernatural Dean goes to Sam at college and tells him their father went missing while "hunting."
@@basharic3162 Right...which means that John was a hunter. I stopped watching Supernatural after season 10. Season 9 really; I felt like I "had to" watch S10 but it was a hassle & a pain, and I wasn't really into it anymore. I couldn't follow the storyline because I didn't feel the desire to devote enough brainpower to remember from episode to episode what was going on.
@@basharic3162 in the spin-off Dean (from the future) meddles, which leads John to finding out about his dad, Henry, being a men of letters before ever having met Mary. This causes John to become a hunter sooner than he did in the original series. So essentially Dean either managed to alter history, or he meddled in one of the alternate universes; I’m not sure since I only managed to watch the first 3 episodes.
@@jb888888888 Alley meant that the point in time where the spin-off begins John would not have been a hunter yet. Despite that, John is a hunter in the Spin-off before he would be a hunter in the original timeline. Dean (from the future) meddled which changed how John and Mary met, so he knows she is a hunter from the beginning and starts hunting too.
@@NyxSylvestris”The Winchesters” is pretty terrible, so you’re to be commended for watching even three of them. I have no idea how Jensen Ackles convinced himself, or the studio, that it was good. Also not a fan of shows that pull a “it was all a dream” scenario at the end (even if it has a supernatural explanation), pretty much negating everything that you just watched.
Like post something on your community saying you're taking a break. This is so annoying and disrespectful to your followers. You don't have to get into detail. It's none of people's business to question, but at least don't ghost people into thinking about your return.
Partly in her defense TH-cam only lets you show so much in a reaction video and it may take a few tries to edit before they allow it. However, I do agree that it’s getting frustrating
Well, if you listened, she would be finishing angel s3 before coming back to buffy, so it will have been a few weeks at least before we saw the next episode.
I personally lean toward Normal Again being the base reality just from some things in the series that line up, including how sneaky JW likes to be with the number 17 and important things in this show
Oh, piss off. It's a TV show. Half the good guys are literal murderers. Let people ship whomever they want. I say this as someone who never ships anyone. Get a life.
Just FYI she has had all of these posted on her patreon for months but could not be bothered with youtube anymore as its free. She does not care about her fans she cares about making money (from watching TV lol). I'm personally disinterested in her channel anymore, and I hope everyone who feels the same bows out of subscribing to and watching her. Very sad.
All reactors finishing on patreon first. She also uploaded an angel episode on YT before this and a comic con video before that. But her community page says she had been looking for an editor and had warned us she was taking a break. She doesn't owe us anything, especially since it's take hours of work to give back to a community of people that don't pay, meanwhile she has her own life and probably helping out with childcare and post college commitments (again if you read her community page.....)
@@samanthas8340 Never said she owed anyone anyway but if she had time to watch all of Buffy on patron then I di see why she couldn't upload the rest of Buffy on TH-cam, It's all good though thanks for letting me know what's going on with her.
@samanthas8340 ps. Many other reactors that started watching Buffy long after her have been able to finish the entire series on TH-cam within a year or two.
Yo!! AlleyBox coming in with a Buffy reaction after 8 months. Yes, please!
I know you've finished the series months ago on Patreon, but it's always a pleasure to watch your Buffy reactions again.
Thank you for coming back to Buffy again! Love your reactions.
Same.
It's been 84 years 🥲
I have a head cannon that in season 2 she had never been in a mental hospital but the new past that the monks made when they made dawn included a bit where dawn is the reason her parents found out and put buffy in the hospital. It makes more sense if it was the monks that retconned it
I did the same kind of thing for why Buffy's Dad stopped being involved.
@@pixy-onewing same, my head canon is the monks didn't want the dad around so they turned him into a deadbeat when they retconned the universe...
Surely, Buffy was just remembering the events that had led to alternate-reality Buffy being sectioned?- Her memories were muddied from being pulled, back and forth, between the two realities.
She had swapped between the two lives several times at that point in the episode and was at breaking point. Unsure of what was real. Open to the idea that everyone in our-Buffy’s universe was the lie.
I don’t trust that “I was sectioned” story any more than I trust the idea that she wanted all of her friends (plus Dawn) dead and gone.
Famous last words: “at least one couple is happy”
😭
@ I know
My heart is squeezing... 😢
Amzing how long it takes people to realize that's not what this show is about.
@@Dunybrook The couples or this couple?
Nice to see that you’re still reacting to this show. It’s been forever.
To be fair spike did film her in the halloween episode, made a Buffy shrine when Drusilla came back, stole her underwear in season t and watched her and riley from the window, and built a buffy sex robot so had Buffy never got xlose to him in this way I think its entirely plausible that he could use hidden cameras.
I think this makes sense as to why Xander would believe this, because he is still viewing Spike as that same person and not the one the currently was in a relationship with Buffy. It makes little sense for Buffy to think this.
30:00 I think with Xander, he wanted to marry Anya but he doesn't want to have a marriage like his parents have and he's terrified of becoming like them.
Unfortunately, that's what happens in this world. A couple marries, but their differences catch up with them, they begin arguing and hating each other. Xander clearly had a neglectful and alcoholic father and did not want to end up like him.
Entropy is a great name for the episode here. We can see the Season collapsing into complete randomness and disorder created by past events. The Anya/Xander meeting is so awkward, when she asks him again about getting married, he still can't commit, and Anya continues the pressure, this looks like the final straw, he keeps telling her he loves her but this isn't enough. Interesting comedy bits when Anya approaches Willow, Tara, Buffy and Dawn about hating men, and she says to Tara and Willow 'what kind of lesbians are you'. She realises that the Scoobies will never turn against Xander. A great dramatic conversation with Spike and Buffy when he tells her to 'get out' he says it with such venom we just know things have now changed. Halfrek of course obviously a bad influence on Anya who thinks Spike could be an ally. Once Spike and Anya get drunk, we inevitably see what is going to happen ( a true life reflection again, as many times this randomly happens once alcohol is involved ). Willow of course is trying to find the source of the cameras, but boy are they in for a surprise. Strangely we can see Buffy is actually hurt watching Spike have sex with Anya, he has kept her secret up until now, but as he has now totally rejected Buffy lets it out to Xander and Anya. Xander just cannot believe this is happening all at once, but that is the Entropy. Now the whole 'can of worms' has been opened, and the Entropy that is Pandora's Box' cannot be closed.
So good to see you back Alley for the rest of Buffy.
I didn't think anything could make me smile this morning, but you did it. Thank you.
And that's The End! There were no more Buffy episodes after that!
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yeah right...😬
I'm so glad this is the way the series ended and that they didn't do any more episodes
@@Dilzik What are you talking about? There's one more episode. Only weird thing is it ends a few minutes earlier than usual for this show.
You know, I always felt it was a weird way to end the show but it makes sense in a kind of way; this series is classic because it did everything different.
This episode is SO FRIGGING GOOD. Jesus, like a kick in the gut. Fan-frigging-tastic.
This season in general is just absolutely great. Every time I think about it, I'm leaning more and more towards six being my favorite season.
She's back!
WHAT! OMG! SHE'S BACK!
Alley: 'I wish they'd gone with a more serious tone'. Anya/Halfreck: 'Wish Granted!'
IMO the "normal" episode is very important to the series structure. As for Joyce seemingly having complete amnesia about that, the ability for ordinary people, especially Joyce, to forget and ignore what is really going on has been established over and over right from the pilot episode... and is also a very important theme of the show and the underlying metaphor.
Has it really been eight months?
The upcoming last few episodes are a WILD RIDE. I can’t wait to see your reaction I’ve been waiting for you to get to this point..
When it comes to Buffy's emotions for Spike, I think that you are trying to figure out which of two things are true when they both can be simultaneously true.
Does Buffy have a real attraction to Spike, along with some jealously of her sexual partner being with other people? Yes.
Was Buffy just using Spike to get through a truly dark period of depression and does she see Spike as an unlovable monster that she could never have a real relationship with? Also yes.
Spike has shown his good side, and it's incredibly easy to see how someone could have a strong attraction to him. He also has a monstrous side that makes him a terrible romantic prospect. Buffy is bouncing between those two sides of Spike, but as she got better mentally, the benefits of her situationship with him ceased to outweigh the harm.
As a stupid analogy: I'm lactose intolerant. I love the taste of a lot of dairy products, but at a certain point I had to accept that the happiness I can derive from dairy products does not outweigh the pain they will cause me later.
All of Buffy and the Scoobies' past pre season 5 was altered by the Monks in order to account for Dawn so any perceived continuity issues from the last episode can be easily explained away
Another episode already!? It's only been 11 months WOW!
I've missed your reactions glad you're back!
25:34 - 25:38 "At least ONE couple's happy...!😊💞"
Don't know why this video never showed up in my notifications. Perhaps TH-cam's algorithm doesn't like it when updates are so far apart because I watch (and react to new) BtVS reactions practically every day.
Spike would never spy on Buffy. Well, not with a hidden cam. He prefers to steal her clothes anyway
Sadly, if Xander had just listened to what Anya said when he proposed he would still be dating her. He wasn't ready and she knew it, but he convinced her he was and then got cold feet and expected things to go back to them being fine when he didn't talk to her after leaving her at the alter. How hew acts at the end of this episode makes me feel more bad for the other three (Buffy, Spike, and Anya).
His issue in this episode is the same as Willow had towards him in _Innocence_ when she discovered he was with Cordelia. What I mean by that is if Xander and Willow in _Innocence_ and this episode want to feel hurt, they have that right, but Willow taking it out on Xander when she heard him say he was never interested in her, and after Xander left Anya at the alter show anything, it is that others (in this case Anya and in _Innocence's_ case Xander) have a right to move on or be with someone who isn't the hurt individual. Xander taking it out on Spike because he's angry at Anya is not OK. I like how prefer the way Buffy handled it (who's shown to be doing better since Riley came to town). She told Spike it hurt her to see him with Anya without getting angry. The tone was a little negative, but it wasn't portraying anger. Anya telling Spike not to wish (which he wasn't thinking about on word choice) makes her the better person in dealing with her issues over Xander who still isn't. Spike is still soulless, and he wasn't entirely being with Anya to move on from Buffy. Despite not knowing he and Anya had been watched he wasn't sad or upset it happened and welcomed Buffy knowing, even if she reacted as she did. That's his soullessness, which says a lot about everyone else this season, also,. All four characters still have a lot of potential healing ahead of them, but this episode felt like the &#@! hit a doylist climactic fan and now things can move forward with those characters stories.
I feel like Tara really grew into her personality this season ❤️
She definitely gained self confidence. It was a shame to see her go back to Willow. That was a step back for the character, but she is definitely the most mature of the lot.
It isnt necessarily a retcon about Buffy being institutionalised by Joyce and it not affecting her reaction to finding out Buffy is the Slayer in season 2. In season 2 - there is a big difference - Dawn doesnt exist. A Joyce worried about her younger daughter also may make a different decision - this can be a memory from the retcon by the monks!
there's also a little hint about it in the s2 finale when Joyce mentioned that Buffy should take to someone after telling her about being the slayer and Buffy delivers a very pointed "i'm not crazy" almost as if this isnt the first time her mother has become aware of her slayer powers.
Omg welcome back! 😀❤️
thank you for coming back
I came here out of curiosity just to see if I did the right thing in unsubscribing when she disappeared the first time around. Two months since the last episode. Yep.
If she’d said something the first time around (not even going into detail, just saying “Hey, I’m going to be taking a break and don’t know when I’ll be back”), I don’t think everybody would be as frustrated with her but it’s really disrespectful just to ghost the TH-cam followers and update Patreon only.
Edit: I’m not defending her, I’m only saying
Im so happy you are back to youtube 💜
Yo. Just one more step... You can do it.
I'll be here....
Welcome back Alley!!!
39:28 👏🏽 violence and the truth, I love it
Also, Ally coming back with Buffy on my B-day 🎂 best present ever !!
This episode has Xander at arguably his worst. Self righteousness, slut shaming, making everything about him. God he pisses me off.
Yep. Hat's off to the actor. I remember hating Xander during this season
And THAT is why he said he wasn't ready to get married. Aren't you glad he made the right choice.
Yup, exactly. While he's done plenty of evolving as a person, he still hasn't fully outgrown his particular version of toxic masculinity, and it jumps out in stressful moments like this.
He's a flawed guy. Some of that is intentional, some is maybe unintentional Joss Whedon projection.. But like, the result is a realistic, compelling character imo.
Xander, to me, very much feels like a character who was almost at his best due to the life or death situation he was dropped into starting in season 1. Every bad quality he has would also be bad in a normal, non-supernatural, life. Mainly it's his issues with possessiveness and entitlement towards women, as well as having trouble seeing things from other people's perspectives.
On the flip side, he is very loyal to his friends and is absolutely ride or die in the most dangerous of situations. The best side of Xander comes out in those life or death scenarios that he's dropped into in this show.
Almost everything wrong with Xander comes down to his romantic life, and those he views as potential romantic partners (and the feeling of entitlement that accompanies that).
You can tell that Anya is back in full demon mode - she thinks that Spike smells good
And they all lived happily ever after... Right? Right?! 😂
16:20 Secretly recording Buffy was one of the first things we saw Spike do. Back in season 2 he sent a vampire with a camera to record her.
very different context tho. we're talking about doing reconnaissance on an enemy.
Really great last episodes
Wow she’s back omg
I find it intriguing that people view Buffy as having feelings FOR Spike. I always read it as Buffy needing to find something that would make her feel ANYTHING, and she chose Spike because he's the one person she knows who has also died and fought their way out of a grave
I think there is more to it than that. Buffy does have feelings for Spike, but she also recognises what he is, so she has that accompanying disgust.
It's like in real life, sometimes we feel attraction to someone that we know sucks, and if we are smart, we ignore those feelings because otherwise we can end up in super toxic situations.
Buffy's initial attraction to Spike wasn't a problem, but because she was so depressed and desperately searching for some sort of feeling, she allowed herself to get entangled with Spike, and something deeper than a base crush developed. But deep down, she still understood that he is, at his core, a soulless monster, and incapable of healthy love.
So once her mental state stabilised, she was able to let go of the crutch. You could kinda envision the depression as a cancer and Spike as chemotherapy. Chemo is literally poison, but it's better than dying of cancer. But once that cancer is gone, continuing with chemo would just be self-harm.
Exactly.
Yeah, as long as we have Twillow everything is alright,
Ending that sentence with a comma instead of a period shook me to my core.
Anyway, I think "Tallow" has a better flow than "Twillow".
@@mikkoviinikka1148 Tallow is a form of animal fat.
The ship name is just Tillow 😭🙏
Watching you watch this season for the first time is honestly 😬 I'M very interested to see your thoughts on the coming events
Here's marriage summed up: I love you so much I'm gonna get the government involved so you can't leave.
If you want a show where it's season 4 and yes they did just have a payoff for a tiny thing planted in season 1 and yes it was actually planned... It exists and it's called Babylon 5 :) (I'd love your analysis of that show)
Where u at?
I know I forget about these reactors when there is this much of a gap in posting! Not to throw shade.... I love Ally.... but more frequent posts would be appreciated! I get life gets in the way but I really am forgetting she's even doing reactions! Maybe she's more active on patreon?
NOOOO!!! RUN TARA, RUN!!!!
Either that of just suggest that Willow come see you at the dorm for a little something occasionally. Only disaster can come to this address!
We need the next episode now
Or this could be the final episode. FOREVER.
Good to see you!
*Dawn of Final day*
You missed the part where Buffy said that her parents forget that they put her in the mental institutuion just like people tend to do with supernatural occurances.. These writers were too good.
whoa... an Alley Box Buffy reaction? what year is it?
"I am so nervous that something is going to happen with Willow and Tara is going to get hurt again." O_O
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Joss Whedon wouldn't do anything like that.
At all.
welcome back
Marriage used to be a bigger change, and a more attractive one, when people weren't having sex with and moving in with their BF or GF because the social more was that that is wrong. The currency has been devalued by the casualization of sex. The old premarital withholding would have concentrated Xander's mind about, and motivated him to think through the issues which leave him unready to marry in his early 20s. The old saying was, when divorce was also stigmatised, "marry in haste, repent at leisure." It's not good to be stuck with the wrong person, and people should take their time to decide. So he's not entirely wrong, it's just that because their relationship began with Anya seducing him, it's proceeded in the wrong order, without him doing the homework before the morning it was due, and having to ask for an extension.
The episode is one of the soapiest in BTVS. Very little happening except relationship chats, and the defining soap element of exactly the wrong people finding out about a transgression almost immediately. There's room for soapiness, but it's not the original premise and draw of the show.
Marriage is a completely out of date concept. There is literally no point to its existence today, unless you want a tax break or something. Also, you're wrong. The old "premarital withholding" would have deranged Xander and made him DESPERATE to get married. The lack of withholding precisely takes away desperation and allows a decision to be made with a clear and focused mind, at least for those who still believe in antiquated rituals like marriage. You want a man like Xander to "take his time to decide" while physically desperate? Yeah, good luck with that!
@@davidmeadows5627 That's the conventional, normie view.
@@patrickholt2270 And yours is the 17th century view. What's your point? How is it wrong?
@@davidmeadows5627 No, the switchover took place during the 1980s, marked by the show Friends. The conflict between mores is zero sum, because in each, whatever isn't stigmatised is validated and vice versa, whatever isn't punished is rewarded and vice versa, and whatever isn't normalised is abnormalised and vice versa.
The result of the switchover of mores is that what was virtuous is villified by those of your opinion, and what was dubious and improper is now the requirement, in terms of shagging vs waiting and planning for marriage. But it's just consumerism applied to the personal, bourgeois ideology in the bedroom, in place of morality.
I don't buy into the bigotry of present conventionalism against all previous generations. It's childish and ignorant. The conventional in every period is questionable because its based on wanting to fit in rather than on thinking things through properly. Our ancestors were just as intelligent as us. Paleolithic humans had larger braincases than post-agricultural humans. What is good and true remains good and true regardless of the mere passage of time, especially on matters of how to live, because the essentials of human character don't change. Truth is always true by definition, otherwise there is no such thing as truth, and the belief that there is no truth is self-negating and anti-scientific.
Marriage is a higher standard of commitment. It is supposed to be an unconditional commitment, and for that reason it is also a higher standard of romance. It therefore deserves much more careful consideration before hand.
More Buffyverse please.
These idiots are the villians of the season😂
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Some rough stuff, but at least all that Tara/Willow angst is finally behind us... right, bestie? On an unrelated note, it's so weird how the whole series just got abruptly canceled after this episode. I guess we'll never find out what petty, pointless final scheme the Trio were going to come up with, or how the writers would try to somehow frame it as a Big Bad level threat for the season.
Wait what does Alley mean in Supernatural "John wasn't a hunter?" In the very first episode of Supernatural Dean goes to Sam at college and tells him their father went missing while "hunting."
In Supernatural, John didn't learn hunting until after Mary's death.
I dunno about the spinoff series. I refuse to watch it.
@@basharic3162 Right...which means that John was a hunter.
I stopped watching Supernatural after season 10. Season 9 really; I felt like I "had to" watch S10 but it was a hassle & a pain, and I wasn't really into it anymore. I couldn't follow the storyline because I didn't feel the desire to devote enough brainpower to remember from episode to episode what was going on.
@@basharic3162 in the spin-off Dean (from the future) meddles, which leads John to finding out about his dad, Henry, being a men of letters before ever having met Mary. This causes John to become a hunter sooner than he did in the original series. So essentially Dean either managed to alter history, or he meddled in one of the alternate universes; I’m not sure since I only managed to watch the first 3 episodes.
@@jb888888888 Alley meant that the point in time where the spin-off begins John would not have been a hunter yet. Despite that, John is a hunter in the Spin-off before he would be a hunter in the original timeline. Dean (from the future) meddled which changed how John and Mary met, so he knows she is a hunter from the beginning and starts hunting too.
@@NyxSylvestris”The Winchesters” is pretty terrible, so you’re to be commended for watching even three of them. I have no idea how Jensen Ackles convinced himself, or the studio, that it was good. Also not a fan of shows that pull a “it was all a dream” scenario at the end (even if it has a supernatural explanation), pretty much negating everything that you just watched.
Nervous? Not nearly nervous enough...
35:00 *DON'T SAY THE **_W_** WORD!!!!!*
Like post something on your community saying you're taking a break. This is so annoying and disrespectful to your followers. You don't have to get into detail. It's none of people's business to question, but at least don't ghost people into thinking about your return.
This. So much this.
wow you are still alive?
Do the episode lady, jeez!
FINALLY!!! :-O
AOC literally said that "no does not mean no" and to not accept no as an answer. You should really pick one or the other, Alley.
How did you stop here again? For seriously! Just put out one more episode and then quit again for a year. Please and thanks
Partly in her defense TH-cam only lets you show so much in a reaction video and it may take a few tries to edit before they allow it. However, I do agree that it’s getting frustrating
Well, if you listened, she would be finishing angel s3 before coming back to buffy, so it will have been a few weeks at least before we saw the next episode.
the spike rapes buffy epp is'nt getting posted on youtube weirdo
@Heldemon that's just dumb to do it that way- there's an order to watch these shows
@ Ya, and she's following a watch order last I checked.
I personally lean toward Normal Again being the base reality just from some things in the series that line up, including how sneaky JW likes to be with the number 17 and important things in this show
Nooo
I wonder if you ever have watched Charmed before. The original series, I mean.
Buffy cut him off
This is the most "Dawson's Creek"-esque episode of Buffy. No monster. just interpersonal drama. Seeing Red should be fun...
Please stop wanting people to get back into a relationship with their abuser.
Oh, piss off. It's a TV show. Half the good guys are literal murderers. Let people ship whomever they want. I say this as someone who never ships anyone. Get a life.
It HAS been a while but my god is this entire video really quiet. That's the most annoying thing.
Just FYI she has had all of these posted on her patreon for months but could not be bothered with youtube anymore as its free. She does not care about her fans she cares about making money (from watching TV lol). I'm personally disinterested in her channel anymore, and I hope everyone who feels the same bows out of subscribing to and watching her. Very sad.
You have to edit for TH-cam.
She also had a bit of a rough time over the months of gap at times.
Imagine having a sense of entitlement over free content.
Alley doesn't owe you anything. I'm just glad she's posting again.
Your still watching buffy? You started this series 4 years ago and you still cant finish it, Thats un heard off.
Maybe you should have kept up with her community tab or followed her on pateron where she's probably been done with the series for AWHILE.
@samanthas8340 That's even worst why not finish up on TH-cam since that's were you started instead of expecting ppl to pay to see her reactions?
All reactors finishing on patreon first. She also uploaded an angel episode on YT before this and a comic con video before that. But her community page says she had been looking for an editor and had warned us she was taking a break. She doesn't owe us anything, especially since it's take hours of work to give back to a community of people that don't pay, meanwhile she has her own life and probably helping out with childcare and post college commitments (again if you read her community page.....)
@@samanthas8340 Never said she owed anyone anyway but if she had time to watch all of Buffy on patron then I di see why she couldn't upload the rest of Buffy on TH-cam, It's all good though thanks for letting me know what's going on with her.
@samanthas8340 ps. Many other reactors that started watching Buffy long after her have been able to finish the entire series on TH-cam within a year or two.
You have NO FUCKING CLUE HIW MUCH I NEEDED TO SEE YOU RIGHT NOW!