One who does not know God cannot teach anyone about God. God IS LOVE! Not JW's self righteous punishment of public humiliation. Galatians 6:1: "If a man be overtaken in a fault, you who are spiritual, restore such a in the spirit of humble meekness." And if he has committed a sin, it will be forgiven." James 5:16. Get out of Her my people!!!
Imagine letting 8, err 9, I mean 11 narcissist men in their designer suits and ties sitting around a boardroom overlooking a pristine lake in upstate NY, mandating what type of relationship 8 million people all around the world can have with their very own flesh and blood. You can’t make this sh*t up.
What's worse, they call it a "loving arrangement from God," but anyone who has gone through it can attest that it is the opposite of love. It is cruel and a violation of our rights as a human. It's like growing up in an alcoholic family and being told that your parent is NOT an alcoholic, he just likes to get drunk. It undermines your sense of reality.
We were never disfellowshipped. We are inactive and still got the thorough punishment as if disfellowshipped. So "removed", "disfellowshipped" or "inactive"? It all boils down to semantics and BS at the end of the day.
Same here! Never disfellowshipped, just faded slowly. Still live a clean moral life. But shunned to the fullest extent! It’s been over 30 years of absolutely nothing. I just googled my sisters name & it popped up DECEASED 😢 Such an EVIL religion ‼️
Yep. I was technically removed since I was never baptized but it’s all the same treatment. It’s pretty irritating when people who weren’t ‘in’ try to argue the semantics of it to me. You’re worse than dead to them regardless which term you use
This religion destroyed my entire family of 8, my fathers family and my mother's family. Disfellowshipping was the cruelest thing they could ever inflict on anyhuman being!!! This hurt stays with you for generations. When I finally realized this was a cult a made the decision to leave that decision impacted my 3 children and ruined my marriage too. I believe this religious corporation and it's principles are so culpable and deserve the worst punishment possible.
What's really ridiculous is that, they're more than happy to shun anyone who dares not to simply blindly follow their ridiculous practices. And yet, they will go out of their way to protect scumbags who commit "child mistreatment" of the worst kind. Honestly, until they actually do something about protecting children they deserve whatever legal consequences come their way.
Then we better speak up loud and clear about this issue because behind the scenes they are already brainwashing the government officials, judges and others into having them continue as a religion when they are a cult, a deadly cult.
A friend of mine who became a friend because she was door to door ministering she told me her father was disfellowshipped and he couldn’t walk her down the isle at her wedding, but Jehovah gave her spiritual fathers to do it instead. It’s so sad, and I am so glad I am not considering any longer to join them.
I couldn't walk my daughter down the aisle either. I had to sit and watch as a 'brother' walked her down. It turned out this wonderful, clean, spiritual brother was secretly screwing someone in the congregation 😂
I’m not even disfellowshipped but I’m being shunned by my witness family. Especially disheartening is the fact that my daughter, who lives close by doesn’t talk, text or communicate with me at all for over two years now because I questioned the organization and I talk my disfellowshipped son. All of this happened after they lost their father, my husband three years ago. Five months after he was gone my son-in-law who’s an elder and married to my daughter thought it best to shun me…because, as he said, I’m not being obedient to Jehovah’s representatives. Twice there was an emergency with me and I was just ignored. This organization, I believe the devil is behind now. They follow the same characteristics of Satan the devil. They cause division, there’s no love, they make rules on top of rules…I could go on.
The Witnesses are told that they do not want to be like Kora and the apostates who went against God's chosen leader Moses, it is just that Moses did everything that he said he was going to do, and he did state that God had chosen him, also to the Pharaoh and the people outside of the Hebrew community. The Watchtower leaders on the other hand, say that they are not chosen by God, that it would be "presumptuous" to even claim so to the outside world, and none of their prophesies have come to fruition. How then can the story of Kora and Moses apply to the Watchtower organisation's leaders and the people who oppose them or just stop believing in them?
@@truelove11.11 Mosie, demanded that that foreign women, who are virgin to be kept as sex slaves, kill their father, brothers, and mothers! Is this the same Man that they compare to the Kora vs Moses story?? 18:37 😮😢Such “Righteousness.” 19:28
I knew that girl, she was in my neighboring hall. So surreal that she is like the posterchild for shunning because of Watchtower. I often wonder how she would feel about her face being shown in those TH-cam thumbnails and videos, court cases, news clips, etc... If she knows about it at all. Really wild, man.
@@morningglory9288 actors. a couple wih NO kids. so they could act natural in this case: unloving becauset hey unable to imagine how a real parent feels if this happen
It's a popular tactic for any individual or organization to do, when they're trying to pretend that something didn't happen, or a video didn't exist. Nothing screams "guilty on all charges", like trying to bury the evidence & pretend that those things never existed.
@Ladybhive71 lol if they didn't think that maybe they went too far/too explicit with this one, they'd leave it to show their "correct" attitude towards sinners (us🤣). I guess now they'll keep on saying shunning is an individual choice, and everyone will just agree......
I was speaking to an EX-JW. And they go 'yeah I was in the truth for 12 years'. Without even realizing it they still called it the truth. Despite both of us knowing it was never the truth. A clever psychological mind trick by the Watchtower Society.
Not just JW, Christadelphians use exactly the same term ‘The Truth’. If you’re in, you’re in the Truth and if you’re out youre on the Outside’ (major cringe) 😬
The day after they told witnesses to reach out to invite old disfellowshipped friends to the memorial, someone I had viewed as a friend reached out. When I confronted her about only reaching out because she got permission from the cult leaders, she told me that she has never shunned her df’d sister and told me ‘I’m sorry that you felt like you ever had to cut off contact with your sister, watchtower never said to do that.’ I told her she was lying and every article would say she was being “disloyal” to Jehovah. Eventually I told her how evil it was for her to open old wounds just to invite me to a meeting and then lie so disgustingly. It’s one thing to lie to the public/never witnesses… but really? Gonna lie to an ex witness who has been shunned by you personally for years??? She lied some more and said she had NOT been shunning me, that life had just got busy and it was her choice to reach out that week. Hahahah.
Omg. Yes! I wonder why in the world JWs refuse to watch their court appearances which are recorded and accessible. I honestly can’t even think of an argument that would justify not watching them. How is it partaking in apostate teachings to watch the leaders present facts of the practices of JWs in a court of law?? How?
Allowing people to leave without recourse would reveal who wants to genuinely be in the cult still, rather than members staying PIMO for fear of losing family etc...They claim God wants those who worship him out of genuine love, but don't allow the freedom to leave without there being some serious recourse. All this does is keep people who don't want to be there in limbo
I wanted to share my journey of growing up as a Jehovah's Witness. This might be long, but I hope it helps someone understand where I'm coming from. This religion has made me feel incredibly low and severely depressed. Throughout my life, I've faced a lot of mistreatment from other Witnesses. I've been bullied, excluded, made fun of in public and told that leaving would mean I'd be lost forever or living in sin. As a child, I went through a lot, especially with my mom being constantly sick and in and out of hospitals, including mental health facilities. Many of the brothers and sisters, even the elders, turned a blind eye because they listened to my moms mom about how awful we are and how we're shitty people. Instead of offering support, they often made us feel like we were the ones in the wrong. Growing up, I never had true friends. Making "worldly" (i hate that word) friends has brought me more genuine happiness than any friendship within the JW community. I eventually got a girlfriend who loves me for who I am, and her mom has been a wonderful source of support, accepting me no matter what. This is something I never felt within the JW community because I was always judged every single time. When I finally told my mom I wanted to leave because the constant meetings and field service filled me with deep anxiety, she didn’t support my decision, but she said she still loves me and she'll help me through life. That means everything to me. I want to experience life fully, to celebrate my first birthday, my first Christmas, my first Halloween. I want the freedom to explore happiness in a way I’ve never been allowed. It hurts that this was taken from me by a faith I didn’t choose and never wanted to be in, even when I was a child. Hell, my father has forgotten my birthday and my age because we never celebrate it. Being born into this religion placed a heavy weight on my shoulders; from a young age, I was told I had to make Jehovah happy, or I wouldn’t be part of the “new system.” This pressure has left a mark on my mental health, and now I’m dealing with issues that stem from these teachings, especially PTSD and heavy religious trauma. At the same time, stepping into a world outside of JW is frightening because it’s all I’ve known. But I want freedom. I want to find people who care about me genuinely. Whether I’m shunned or not doesn’t even matter to me now; all I want is the chance to build a life of real happiness. I started realizing how horrible this religion was for me when I began watching the Sofia and Caleb animations and the other videos on how people had to basically drop their dreams just to serve in the religion. I apologize if this was so long but I never get to share how this religion screwed me up. I'm happy that I'm not alone in this because this religion sure does make you feel guilty and alone.
Happy Halloween! The night before Halloween is Gate Night; on Gate Night some people soap windows (rubbing a bar of soap on a window, which actually half washes it) .
You’re not alone I’m a born in JW too and I’m sure there’s many of us who believe the same way as you… stay strong and always be True to yourself !!! 😊
Thanks for sharing Wally! Its just ridiculous that they just keep trying to quietly delete stuff instead of actually making changes that will help Jws. Also love the cheeto fingers illustration😂 Totally fits.
Being disfellowshipped is a constant trauma, horrific. It's excruciating knowing i have parents and family that consciously choose to behave as if i am dead.
Wow. Im not one to comment. I "survived" this org. I watch all your videos. This was one of your best well spoken videos especially towards the end. U really hit the nail on the head. Thank you
Thankfully exjw sites have downloaded the two major shunning videos, and all the clips Wally shows here! And links WILL continue to be sent to Courts & Governments worldwide. ⚖️🗽💕
This is Sam. Herd, Thank you sir for bringing that 2nd video to our attention, we will speedily delete that one as well. Continue the good work at letting us know what we need to do so we can bring in my weak people into our cult I mean into the truth.
I’ve seen some of the children’s cartoons and they’re horrible! Ask, as a parent, “Is this what I want for my children?” Be outcasts at school? Can’t participate in normal society? No holidays, no kick-back weekends, no birthday parties, no ritual or routine to life, ever! People supervising you 24/7/365? Family split up? Too risky to have friends, even among the JW’s lest they be disfellowshipped? “Thousands disfellowshipped every year.” Sounds great! Where do I sign up? Something’s wrong with an organization that tosses out but continues to punish ex-members! Even a crappy employer doesn’t do that. If an employee gets fired or quits, do they continue to control and harass them? If so, it’s illegal!
I hate all three of those videos. The second one Elsa is picking out a whole new family while ignoring her mother’s calls. Disgusting 🤮. Unless her mother did something horrific to her there is no reason to go looking for that anywhere else. Free Elsa’s mom.
Craziness. 😑😑😑 Apparently, I became an aunt…. 28 years ago. And now… I am a great aunt as well. Will I ever meet my niece, or my great niece? Who knows. But at this point, I may have finally grown apathetic to the whole situation. It seems unlikely that my family would ever “come to their senses“, and if they did, I genuinely don’t know how I would even respond to that now that nearly 30 YEARS have passed. 😳😑🤷🏻♀️
Wow. Powerful video. Thank you for this. I've worked as a therapist with people who were injured by religious cults and always appreciate videos like this one - even in retirement. This sort of video helps therapists as well as people in recovery to get a better understanding of how these high control groups/cults function, how they hijack brains of very smart people, and the incredible harm they do. You're helping more people than you could ever know. These high control groups foment and nurture grave psychological self-harm in their victims and their employment of fear is extremely powerful. We are social creatures - our brains are literally "wired" for the safety of the group. We're terrible at running, worse at swimming, and we can't fly. And claws and fangs? Our blunt teeth and wee fingernails are useless for defense. We are a vulnerable species that evolved under dangerous circumstances with predators that can easily best us - we need the group. And our brains know it. High control groups use that natural part of our psyche that is woven into our DNA - to "brainwash" us and keep us in the group. So when we're fully ousted, we torment ourselves with our own thoughts and feelings... those 3am wake-up fears... what if they're right? What if God is going to destroy me? Or Jehova. Or the Leaf Monster. Whatever version of a deity we are taught to fear can be plugged in. Being ousted from the cloister of the family/friend group is incredibly harmful and it takes a strength that I have so much admiration and respect for that I cannot put it to words. When I see someone who has left... WOW. I think, "Now THERE goes a person with a lot more strength than almost ANYONE. Including me." It has to feel like stepping off the planet, shoving oneself away from the pull of its gravity, and floating around in space, an untethered satellite just drifting away from everything that is safe and secure. When a person decides to do that, they have absolutely had their FULL limit. The pain and fear, the hours of terror, the self-doubt, second guessing, and rethinking a ZILLION times - ALL of it is less painful than staying in the group. Wow. Now THAT is impressive. There are 4,200 religions today. But MINE is the only truth, right? ** Side-eye in my mirror - at 70, shouldn't I be watching videos on flower arranging or something?
Amazing. I was really lucky my jw family didn't shun me when I left. My dad was about to be a CO when Mom got pregnant with me. What a weird experience the whole JW thing is.
I started having questions at 18, was told i was having an 'effect' on my sister. Kicked out as an innocent Jehovah loving teen. Sad fact, our father was then able to have his 'effect' on my now unprotected sister i had to leave behind. So much trauma 😢
If the governing body totally do away with the shunning, they would lose at least half of their members. Everyone who now only is held in for fear of losing their family would stop going to the meetings.
You may be right, as I didn't consider al the PIMO's. The Watchtower Witnesses did shun unbaptized publishers up until the late 1980's though. The Watchtower congregation members received a public announcement from the Kingdom Hall platform in the late 1980's that they no longer needed to shun the unbaptized publishers who had been thrown out of the congregation and shunned. The Witnesses back then saw this announcement as "new light", and were happily running around to all the shunned unbaptized publishers, telling them that they no longer needed to shun them. The ones who had been shunned unnecessarily for so many years though, were the ones holding a grudge. I think that history will repeat itself if the Watchtower leaders announce 'New Light' on no-more shunning. The PIMI's will be so happy that they are allowed to talk to their loved ones again without the burden of the notion that they are somehow going against God, and the former shunned ones and the PIMO's are the ones who will bare a grudge.
Talk about twisting Scripture, the Watchtower Society is one of the world's worst at misinterpreting the Holy Bible. The reason that they will not change their shunning policy all at once is that they not only want to maintain control over their congregations, but they are also too cowardly to admit that this policy is not Biblical, and they don't want to deal with the severe backlash of anger from their congregations who were lied and indoctrinated into shunning their family and friends who no longer want to be part of the Watchtower Society. Thank you for continuing to expose the lies, cowardice, and hypocrisy of this cult.
Yeah, JWs aren't even truly Christian, it's an entirely separate religion. JW theology literally has more in common with Islamic theology than orthodox, mainline Christian theology. They deny the divinity of Jesus and arbitrarily reject the cross and claim Jesus died tied to a post instead, literally just to stand apart. Seems like the founders of the Bible Students were contrarians that just wanted to make their religion as little like High Church Christianity as possible. It's hilarious how the most innovative, heterodox sect that purports to be Christian claims to somehow be identical to Apostolic Christianity. They believe the gates of Hell did prevail against the Church almost immediately after Pentecost in the 1st century, believing that the only good, "true" Christians that ever existed prior to Charles Taze Russel's ministry were the Jewish Christians in the Levant, and that by the time the faith had spread to Europe, it had become corrupted already. I even looked up what they say in regards to this pronouncement in Matthew 16:18, and the JW website article I found indeed did stand by their belief that Christians vanished from the face of the Earth for 1800+ years between the late 1st century and late 19th century. They performed the mental acrobatics necessary to maintain these contradictory beliefs by saying that "the gates of Hell" just means death, and thus that it means Christianity will not be wiped out PERMANENTLY, not that the Church is constant and has existed in an unbroken chain of faithful believers for the past two millennia, as the verse has been interpreted by all the Church Fathers and Christian theologians that ever existed. JWs are literally the worst schismatics in the history of Christendom. The sheer arrogance of believing they have reconstructed Apostolic Christianity by adopting a distinctly Americanized, Burned Over District-style Second Great Awakening theology. The JWs, the Pentecostals, the Mormons, the Christian Scientists, the Seventh Day Adventists...they're all heretical churches which share little in common with the historical faith. Same thing with newer movements like the New Apostolic Reformation and Word of Faith, those Charismatics that promote "health and wealth" theology, obsessing over signs and wonders and promoting an inverted gospel of greed and selfishness, spewing blasphemy constantly. I don't consider any of those groups genuinely Christian.
i really appreciate your videos so much info, empathy, laughter, love, hard work, but i can never finish this daughter one, when she says “i’m not taking into consideration there feelings” when there throwing her out!! 🤬
I am someone who avoided disfellowshipping my entire adult life and am kind of POed because I had to walk on eggshells around my family to keep a relationship with them. My sacrifices were great even though I moved far way from the congregation that I grew up in. I hope it does change for the sake of the new generation.
It was also in the interactive bible study course, lesson 57. So all those hard copies of the book "Enjoy Life Forever" still have the thumbnail for the shunning video. Online, however, they've changed that section of the lesson completely. But evidence remains in the hard copies. I wonder if they will take them off the literature carts and dispose of them now.
As sickening as these videos are I love how they backfired so hard. Watchtower was hoping it would make the faith stronger but really it shows everything how disgusting the organization is and how it hurts its members more then helps them.
Hey, so I am an American who now lives in Russia and also I have extended family members who are JWs. Anyhow, from what I understand is that JWs don't join the conscription service, the obligatory year in the army (which doesn't really evolves doing army man stuff.. well for most people it is just being the logistics of painting buildings and keeping facilities clean, etc) so that is kinda like "strike one" but, to be fair, there are many people who dodge the conscription for things like just paying a doctor to day that you have a skin disease or whatever. But yeah, from what I understand, it was the blood thing that what finally closed the book on them here. The Russian government is very pro-family. Pro-children, or whatever... so when you make a decision to not to have a blood transfusion, ok, that is ok if you are an adult... but if you make this decision for a child and the child could die with the blood, that was one of major points. It should also be noted the Scientology is banned here but also some weird Russian born cults that had their own communes in the forest. I should also point out that believing in the JW doctrine of the Scientologist doctrine is not illegal, but the organizations that sell things or buy buildings so that the can sell them in the real estate market, that is what was shut down. Like sanctions. So you can practice this religion, but it is the organization, especially the money making part, that is cancelled. So, I just thought I would give you a bit of an insider's look on the Russian take, keep up the good work.
I think banning those cults is pretty reasonable. Don't agree with the Russian government on much these days, but I have no qualms about that particular course of action.
The parents will sit there and take it like a a badge. Then get the hugs. They love the hugs lol But seriously.. the parents will sit and face it like it’s a test of faith.
Not me, but I heard from a friend (who got disfellowshipped the year after me), that the elder announcing I had disassociated, held a talk called “Don’t experiment with having an Independent mind” 😂 Out now for 40 years. Still an Independent thinker and soul 😜👏🏼
I have an older woman in my life, I guess I could say shes my girlfriend, and shes a disfellowshipped JW. Shes still half brainwashed... Shes not totally honest with herself and cant admit its a cult, but the the things shes told me.... WOW! The psychological damage they caused. Her own adult children have not contacted her in over 7 years! Her crime was that she went through a divorce and met another man years ago, who she eventually married, though not straight away... All that, somehow justified the complete ruination of her life... I remember she snitched on herself and told the elders about her relationship with me.... I was so angry that she did that! Its like she is still controlled. She even blabbermouthed about her relationship with me to the one unbaptised JW who still spoke to her, then even they shunned her.
Maybe the lightbulb in her head hasnt truly been turned ON yet. She hasnt realized all the things that she thinks make this organization the truth are fraudulent. The chains start to fall off when whatever it is that keeps her under control, falls like a deck of cards. For me it was being told god chose this group over all other groups and the JWs lying or not including information about why they were the chosen ones. It all fell like a house of cards and the fear went away.
I explained to my brother once that being disfellowshipped felt like being out in a snow storm naked and freezing while you can see your family through a window inside a warm home happily eating dinner together and not even glancing out the window at you. He told me it was a great example and asked if he could use the analogy in a public talk…They use shunned people’s pain as “encouraging” stories to tell other witnesses to keep them in line and it’s disgusting.
Especially when the analogies are BRUTAL. One time a brother said that being disfellowshipped is like a hook being removed from your eye. It’s painful and might make you blind but it’s “for the best.” Wtf???
I honestly disagree with the idea that if they changed the disfellowshipping rules the members would get angry. I feel like most hardcore witnesses will say what they've always been saying about every change and see it as "A blessing from Jehovah, look how kind Jehovah is to allow us to talked to df'd people now." Ofc there will be a minority who would see this and then get angry, but the level of indoctrination that these people have is terrifying.
I agree! The Watchtower Witnesses did shun unbaptized publishers up until the late 1980's, until the Watchtower congregation members received a public announcement from the Kingdom Hall platform in the late 1980's that they no longer needed to shun the unbaptized publishers who had been thrown out of the congregation. The Witnesses back then saw this announcement as "new light", and were happily running around to all the shunned unbaptized publishers, telling them that they no longer needed to shun them. The ones who had been shunned unnecessarily for so many years though, were the ones holding a grudge. I think that history will repeat itself if the Watchtower leaders announce 'New Light' on no-more shunning. The brainwashed Witnesses will be so happy that they are allowed to talk to their loved ones again without the burden of the notion that they are somehow going against God, and the former shunned ones are the ones who will bare a grudge.
You’re right and just like that it can be reversed anytime with New light… WT organization is Wishy Washy or is it Jehovah who can’t make his mind up on Shunning….🤔
I met a Russian guy recently. He was not thrilled with most of his country's policies but said that Russia actually recognizes quite a few smaller religions, but the JWs started becoming well-known for causing divisions among families and hurting children. Families are super important in that culture and they value family connections
Shunning is hardly a "loving" provision from god. When my brother was disfellowshipped for making a mistake, I could see how upset he felt about losing his family. Well, I wasn't going to let that happen. I baked him muffins and cookies, taking them over to his house. One time as I set out, I had the feeling I was being followed. I'm sure that my parents knew where I was going and called an elder. It looked like his car in the rear view mirror. Thankfully my city has a lot of one-way streets and I was able to loose him. I would never let anyone come between my brother and me.
I agree. Shunning is neither a "loving discipline", nor is it Biblical. If some people think shunning is an act of "love", I "have a bridge to sell to them". 🤣
Everything is conditional nothing is genuine. You start asking questions and you get disfellowshipped and ripped apart from your family and fake friends. Your community is destroyed, but this is supposed to be the truth and loving OK whatever you say.
It’s such a fake love. Love should not be conditional. I am sorry for anyone that has gone through this. I love you freely. You are my brother or sister and you deserve love and care. This shunning is disgusting and needs to stop.
Hi Wally, I agree with ever word you said. But did you ever thought about that maybe something happened I always thinking of seeing more and more of their (JW.borg) videos?! "What if some of their main characters in those "DRAMATIZATIONS" (and that's it what it is, just fake religious idealized fantasy-world Soap-operas) woke up recently? Just remember, uncle Toni just stepped back or was removed from his position or what ever, all his morning worship videos got erased! What if maybe this Sonya Erickson, or one of their obviously fake parent actors, woke up now and suing the .borg now for removal of that video?! Keep up your excellent work. You are needed.
When I was told I need to leave my church that I was baptized at, by a written letter, that church never shunned me or publicly humiliated me for removing myself from their church BUT JW , I want to personally leave, they will publicly announce that your dis fellowshipped and it doesn’t matter I want to leave, you are publicly shamed and shunned, the gossip begins without knowing why someone wants to leave.
The last time they knocked on my door, I thanked them for their time but said I was an athiest. The look of shock and horror on their face as they literally jogged away, lol.
What actually happen is that at her new job where she met Erick, she actually fell in love with him and the announcement got around about her getting disfellowshipped, the organization deleted the video..
I really have so many thoughts… the mental manipulation they trained into our parents is sick. Mind you, mine had a solid foundation of their own. But I remember being 4-8 when I realized they were talking out both sides of their ‘bible’… I would get beat for saying ‘why’d you let me get baptized @8 but then @13 I’m “too immature to know my mind.” I finally bolted @15. I’m glad they disfellowshipped me. If I hadn’t been cut off I know I would have been sucked back in by my ‘friends”
Just say we have new light, we were wrong Jesus says to love one another. The most important saying of his is love your God, Love your neighbor as yourself. Unfortunately JWs don't know how to love themselves at all. How could you love yourself by shaming someone. Thanks Wally for this video
I'm also interested in how this Organization is going explain away all those who committed suicide because of this "loving provision (sarcasm intended)".
@michael: it’s been my experience that the Witnesses have ready answers for this tragedy…. “it’s the person’s own guilty conscience, they were always mentally unstable, they were hiding something anyway… etc etc”. Witnesses NEVER allow their beloved org to take responsibility for any of the negative things that happen within or outside of the org. They have ready excuses for everything that goes on. We had an extremely corrupt elder presiding for decades over my last KH. He covered up wife swapping, grand theft, extortion and god knows what else because his adult children were involved in all of it! Other elders and ministerial servants went right along with it because they too were guilty of something or other. When I talked with a friend from those days she agreed this elder was a scumbag and in the next breath actually defended him as doing much good for the congregation!! Can’t make this stuff up!
I’ll say it till I am blue in the face… once you post something on the internet! YOU CANT BLEEPING ERASE IT!!!! It’s so stupid! And criminalize themselves even more!
That is right. I made the same comment on one ex-Jehovah's Witness video. Once you post something on the Internet you can't retract it. Like a genie let out of the bottle.
My mother shunned me the last 8 years she was alive. I’m so glad I left! I can’t believe I fell for their lies for 42 years!!!! I think their next change is going to be birthdays!!! What do you think is next???🤷🏻♀️
Yasssss, I have family that are JWs and I noticed I posted about a birthday and they liked it. They have never done that. Also one of my family members posted a almost birthday post. Everything was there except the words happy Birthday. They had never done that for their child before. They always ease into the change I notice. But if they will be able to celebrate birthdays will that mean Christmas will be celebrated ? Maybe no tree or lights. Hmmmmm.
@ I think birthday’s will be the next “new light” after that, I think holidays will be next. They know the old people will freak out & may not accept it. That’s why they are trying so hard to get the young to go to bethel & making very young boy’s ministerial servants & elders. They need to keep all the born ins, there’s no other growth!🤔
Shunning a shunning video is so deliciously meta, but unfortunately (for the church) really seems to highlight exactly what they are trying to downplay.
Thanks for another good ass video wally ...you nailed it mate as always..!!..keep up the great work your doing cus u really are making an impact on this toxic cult
5:30 it's sick how they demonize genuine human connection like this 😩 they teach you not to trust your own feelings. Not just with romantic feelings, but they teach you not to trust all your feelings that don't align with the tRuTh.
✔Its sickening & gut wrenching watching these shunning video's again - but DETETE all you want watchtower, we've all got them recorded for posterity. Maybe the young woman who played Sonia in the first video has left the building.
Cowardly move on their part!!! They are so conniving and I'm so glad you and so many others openly talk about all of the shady stuff WT does. There are so many red flags and im so grateful to be out!
This type of situation can make someone su*cidal - I know it would make me, which is why I never told anyone about how I truly feel about the watchtower. What if she was feeling that way and tried to talk to someone but they all shunned her? What if she committed the act? Would they still believe the extreme shunning was the right thing?
@@BlackKittyCat99 I believe so too. I can imagine them saying "if she never left, she would've still been here, but her actions led her down that path." Insanity.
This pisses me off. How are they going to explain to the parents who lost their disfellowshipped children and never got to say goodbye or (in some cases) weren't allowed to attend their funerals? What are they going to tell the parents whose kids killed themselves because their parents kicked them to the streets and refused to talk to them? Can you imagine being one of those parents who, let's face it, feel the guilt of their child's death every day, can you imagine being in the Kingdom Hall the day the governing body pulls "new light" out of their ass and say if you family get disfellowshipped it's business as usual for y'all? Let's not forget that JWs believe when someone takes their own life that's it, there's no comie backies. One more thing that has been bugging me is I have seen a few videos on the new rules of disfellowshipping, and so far all I have seen is the name of it is the biggest change, and a pile of crap by any other name still smells like shit.
It seems that this organisation spends more time and resources on fighting court cases and apostates than actually teaching the members about God
Which would also be a pointless endeavor... Persuing court cases are at least a real and present danger for them. Unlike god.
One who does not know God cannot teach anyone about God. God IS LOVE! Not JW's self righteous punishment of public humiliation. Galatians 6:1: "If a man be overtaken in a fault, you who are spiritual, restore such a in the spirit of humble meekness." And if he has committed a sin, it will be forgiven." James 5:16. Get out of Her my people!!!
Isaiah 8:10, 2thimoty 3:7-9, 2Peter 2:1-3.
@@mamajan99That's circular logic at its finest.
Jehovah witness are erasing the shunning videos because of lawsuits and ban in Norway Australia and Russia
Imagine letting 8, err 9, I mean 11 narcissist men in their designer suits and ties sitting around a boardroom overlooking a pristine lake in upstate NY, mandating what type of relationship 8 million people all around the world can have with their very own flesh and blood. You can’t make this sh*t up.
Someone should make a movie of them😅
They're fussing with those numbers, trying to form a coven, without notice.
Exactly 🤦🏻♀️
@olivesheridan1175 ever watchwd ' Everyone else burns' comedy series based loosely on jws, Mormons with a slattering of elusive brethren. 😅
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽💯💯💯
What's worse, they call it a "loving arrangement from God," but anyone who has gone through it can attest that it is the opposite of love. It is cruel and a violation of our rights as a human. It's like growing up in an alcoholic family and being told that your parent is NOT an alcoholic, he just likes to get drunk. It undermines your sense of reality.
No wonder so many people end up hating God when they leave 😢
We were never disfellowshipped. We are inactive and still got the thorough punishment as if disfellowshipped. So "removed", "disfellowshipped" or "inactive"? It all boils down to semantics and BS at the end of the day.
Same here! Never disfellowshipped, just faded slowly. Still live a clean moral life. But shunned to the fullest extent! It’s been over 30 years of absolutely nothing. I just googled my sisters name & it popped up DECEASED 😢 Such an EVIL religion ‼️
@@thrivingexjw2061 😢 ❤ sorry for your loss..
Same here. Only inactive but every friend and family member has cut us off.
Inactive and my mom said she didn't wanna have to stop having a relationship with me if I didn't come back 😢 ..
Yep. I was technically removed since I was never baptized but it’s all the same treatment.
It’s pretty irritating when people who weren’t ‘in’ try to argue the semantics of it to me. You’re worse than dead to them regardless which term you use
This religion destroyed my entire family of 8, my fathers family and my mother's family. Disfellowshipping was the cruelest thing they could ever inflict on anyhuman being!!! This hurt stays with you for generations. When I finally realized this was a cult a made the decision to leave that decision impacted my 3 children and ruined my marriage too. I believe this religious corporation and it's principles are so culpable and deserve the worst punishment possible.
I'm so sorry.
Nothing is more valueable than true freedom. You did the right thing. Im really sorry this has happened to you.
No sex trafficking is worst then disfellowshipping
@lovelysosweet8386
Both are terrible and disgusting.
Watchtower is prolific in both.
@@lovelysosweet8386both are bad
What's really ridiculous is that, they're more than happy to shun anyone who dares not to simply blindly follow their ridiculous practices. And yet, they will go out of their way to protect scumbags who commit "child mistreatment" of the worst kind. Honestly, until they actually do something about protecting children they deserve whatever legal consequences come their way.
So agree with this comment 😢
Then we better speak up loud and clear about this issue because behind the scenes they are already brainwashing the government officials, judges and others into having them continue as a religion when they are a cult, a deadly cult.
“Precious gifts to God our children are, to grow up will require all our skill”
Until the CSA is addressed, this “religion” is THE DEVIL’S WORK
A friend of mine who became a friend because she was door to door ministering she told me her father was disfellowshipped and he couldn’t walk her down the isle at her wedding, but Jehovah gave her spiritual fathers to do it instead. It’s so sad, and I am so glad I am not considering any longer to join them.
Aisle***
I couldn't walk my daughter down the aisle either. I had to sit and watch as a 'brother' walked her down. It turned out this wonderful, clean, spiritual brother was secretly screwing someone in the congregation 😂
I’m not even disfellowshipped but I’m being shunned by my witness family. Especially disheartening is the fact that my daughter, who lives close by doesn’t talk, text or communicate with me at all for over two years now because I questioned the organization and I talk my disfellowshipped son. All of this happened after they lost their father, my husband three years ago.
Five months after he was gone my son-in-law who’s an elder and married to my daughter thought it best to shun me…because, as he said, I’m not being obedient to Jehovah’s representatives.
Twice there was an emergency with me and I was just ignored.
This organization, I believe the devil is behind now. They follow the same characteristics of Satan the devil.
They cause division, there’s no love, they make rules on top of rules…I could go on.
Its because Jehovah/Yahweh IS the devil. Most Christians don't realize that, but it's a fact.
It's because Jehovah/Yahweh is the devil.
The Witnesses are told that they do not want to be like Kora and the apostates who went against God's chosen leader Moses, it is just that Moses did everything that he said he was going to do, and he did state that God had chosen him, also to the Pharaoh and the people outside of the Hebrew community.
The Watchtower leaders on the other hand, say that they are not chosen by God, that it would be "presumptuous" to even claim so to the outside world, and none of their prophesies have come to fruition. How then can the story of Kora and Moses apply to the Watchtower organisation's leaders and the people who oppose them or just stop believing in them?
@@ms_ladyblue2887 ughhh. I’m sorry what you’ve gone through. 😔
@@truelove11.11 Mosie, demanded that that foreign women, who are virgin to be kept as sex slaves, kill their father, brothers, and mothers! Is this the same Man that they compare to the Kora vs Moses story?? 18:37 😮😢Such “Righteousness.” 19:28
I knew that girl, she was in my neighboring hall. So surreal that she is like the posterchild for shunning because of Watchtower. I often wonder how she would feel about her face being shown in those TH-cam thumbnails and videos, court cases, news clips, etc... If she knows about it at all. Really wild, man.
Was her name really Sonya Ericson or a made up name to protect her identity? And were they her true parents or actors?
@@morningglory9288 Fake name. IDK about the parents as I usually saw her at teen hangouts
@@morningglory9288 actors. a couple wih NO kids. so they could act natural in this case: unloving becauset hey unable to imagine how a real parent feels if this happen
@shiftyourmindset2 makes sense. I know how painful it is to lose my children to the cult whom I'd never shun, but sadly are doing it to me.
Isn't it worse for them to remove the video now that everyone already watched it? I mean, it shows they know there's something wrong about the video
you think?😂
It's a popular tactic for any individual or organization to do, when they're trying to pretend that something didn't happen, or a video didn't exist. Nothing screams "guilty on all charges", like trying to bury the evidence & pretend that those things never existed.
@Ladybhive71 lol if they didn't think that maybe they went too far/too explicit with this one, they'd leave it to show their "correct" attitude towards sinners (us🤣). I guess now they'll keep on saying shunning is an individual choice, and everyone will just agree......
@@dartz005 my thoughts exactly! Easy, since pimis tend to forget anything they did for ages as soon as there's a new light
Yes I agree.
Thank you, Wally!
The more this gets exposed, the better!
Our memories weren't deleted....
Calling the jehovah witnesses the truth. That always makes me feel a bit ill.
I was speaking to an EX-JW. And they go 'yeah I was in the truth for 12 years'. Without even realizing it they still called it the truth. Despite both of us knowing it was never the truth. A clever psychological mind trick by the Watchtower Society.
Not just JW, Christadelphians use exactly the same term ‘The Truth’. If you’re in, you’re in the Truth and if you’re out youre on the Outside’ (major cringe) 😬
Jesus is the truth. He is the way, truth and the light
@@robynw8223you sound just like the JWs do with that statement
The day after they told witnesses to reach out to invite old disfellowshipped friends to the memorial, someone I had viewed as a friend reached out. When I confronted her about only reaching out because she got permission from the cult leaders, she told me that she has never shunned her df’d sister and told me ‘I’m sorry that you felt like you ever had to cut off contact with your sister, watchtower never said to do that.’
I told her she was lying and every article would say she was being “disloyal” to Jehovah. Eventually I told her how evil it was for her to open old wounds just to invite me to a meeting and then lie so disgustingly. It’s one thing to lie to the public/never witnesses… but really? Gonna lie to an ex witness who has been shunned by you personally for years???
She lied some more and said she had NOT been shunning me, that life had just got busy and it was her choice to reach out that week. Hahahah.
They lie like their idol leaders. By doing this she was also gaslighting you…like their leaders. Unbelievable!
My jaw just dropped reading your comment. WOW 😮
That is emotional and mental manipulation- gaslighting at its core.
Wooow!!! But I'm not surprised by the lies and gadlighting..
I notice my mom lies and she's a JW. Something I hate to do is lie.
It's absolutely appalling how much the watchtower lies in court !!!
Omg. Yes! I wonder why in the world JWs refuse to watch their court appearances which are recorded and accessible. I honestly can’t even think of an argument that would justify not watching them. How is it partaking in apostate teachings to watch the leaders present facts of the practices of JWs in a court of law?? How?
Allowing people to leave without recourse would reveal who wants to genuinely be in the cult still, rather than members staying PIMO for fear of losing family etc...They claim God wants those who worship him out of genuine love, but don't allow the freedom to leave without there being some serious recourse. All this does is keep people who don't want to be there in limbo
I wanted to share my journey of growing up as a Jehovah's Witness. This might be long, but I hope it helps someone understand where I'm coming from.
This religion has made me feel incredibly low and severely depressed. Throughout my life, I've faced a lot of mistreatment from other Witnesses. I've been bullied, excluded, made fun of in public and told that leaving would mean I'd be lost forever or living in sin. As a child, I went through a lot, especially with my mom being constantly sick and in and out of hospitals, including mental health facilities. Many of the brothers and sisters, even the elders, turned a blind eye because they listened to my moms mom about how awful we are and how we're shitty people. Instead of offering support, they often made us feel like we were the ones in the wrong.
Growing up, I never had true friends. Making "worldly" (i hate that word) friends has brought me more genuine happiness than any friendship within the JW community. I eventually got a girlfriend who loves me for who I am, and her mom has been a wonderful source of support, accepting me no matter what. This is something I never felt within the JW community because I was always judged every single time.
When I finally told my mom I wanted to leave because the constant meetings and field service filled me with deep anxiety, she didn’t support my decision, but she said she still loves me and she'll help me through life. That means everything to me. I want to experience life fully, to celebrate my first birthday, my first Christmas, my first Halloween. I want the freedom to explore happiness in a way I’ve never been allowed. It hurts that this was taken from me by a faith I didn’t choose and never wanted to be in, even when I was a child. Hell, my father has forgotten my birthday and my age because we never celebrate it.
Being born into this religion placed a heavy weight on my shoulders; from a young age, I was told I had to make Jehovah happy, or I wouldn’t be part of the “new system.” This pressure has left a mark on my mental health, and now I’m dealing with issues that stem from these teachings, especially PTSD and heavy religious trauma. At the same time, stepping into a world outside of JW is frightening because it’s all I’ve known. But I want freedom. I want to find people who care about me genuinely. Whether I’m shunned or not doesn’t even matter to me now; all I want is the chance to build a life of real happiness.
I started realizing how horrible this religion was for me when I began watching the Sofia and Caleb animations and the other videos on how people had to basically drop their dreams just to serve in the religion. I apologize if this was so long but I never get to share how this religion screwed me up. I'm happy that I'm not alone in this because this religion sure does make you feel guilty and alone.
Happy Halloween! The night before Halloween is Gate Night; on Gate Night some people soap windows (rubbing a bar of soap on a window, which actually half washes it) .
You’re not alone I’m a born in JW too and I’m sure there’s many of us who believe the same way as you… stay strong and always be True to yourself !!! 😊
What a destructive cult.
If your family ‘misses’ you after kicking you out for having a ‘worldly’ boyfriend, it sounds like a ‘them’ not a ‘you’ problem.
Thanks for sharing Wally! Its just ridiculous that they just keep trying to quietly delete stuff instead of actually making changes that will help Jws. Also love the cheeto fingers illustration😂 Totally fits.
Being disfellowshipped is a constant trauma, horrific. It's excruciating knowing i have parents and family that consciously choose to behave as if i am dead.
Wow. Im not one to comment. I "survived" this org. I watch all your videos. This was one of your best well spoken videos especially towards the end. U really hit the nail on the head. Thank you
They are preparing for the court case in Norway in February. It will not help! 🙃
@Anita-Noruega yup. Video evidence still there, members even know it , even if deleted. They'll soon catch up and see they are being scammed
Thankfully exjw sites have downloaded the two major shunning videos, and all the clips Wally shows here! And links WILL continue to be sent to Courts & Governments worldwide. ⚖️🗽💕
This is Sam. Herd,
Thank you sir for bringing that 2nd video to our attention, we will speedily delete that one as well.
Continue the good work at letting us know what we need to do so we can bring in my weak people into our cult I mean into the truth.
This video has nailed it. Excellent work - thank-you.
Spot on Wally..... First class presentation on a very serious subject.... Well done sir...
I’ve seen some of the children’s cartoons and they’re horrible! Ask, as a parent, “Is this what I want for my children?” Be outcasts at school? Can’t participate in normal society? No holidays, no kick-back weekends, no birthday parties, no ritual or routine to life, ever! People supervising you 24/7/365? Family split up? Too risky to have friends, even among the JW’s lest they be disfellowshipped?
“Thousands disfellowshipped every year.”
Sounds great! Where do I sign up?
Something’s wrong with an organization that tosses out but continues to punish ex-members!
Even a crappy employer doesn’t do that. If an employee gets fired or quits, do they continue to control and harass them? If so, it’s illegal!
I hate all three of those videos. The second one Elsa is picking out a whole new family while ignoring her mother’s calls. Disgusting 🤮. Unless her mother did something horrific to her there is no reason to go looking for that anywhere else. Free Elsa’s mom.
Craziness. 😑😑😑 Apparently, I became an aunt…. 28 years ago. And now… I am a great aunt as well. Will I ever meet my niece, or my great niece? Who knows. But at this point, I may have finally grown apathetic to the whole situation. It seems unlikely that my family would ever “come to their senses“, and if they did, I genuinely don’t know how I would even respond to that now that nearly 30 YEARS have passed. 😳😑🤷🏻♀️
Hope that you do meet them, then, you have the opportunity to spoil them (as an aunt should) .
@@BullShark-i2z awww thank you! ☺️🙏🏻
Wow. Powerful video. Thank you for this.
I've worked as a therapist with people who were injured by religious cults and always appreciate videos like this one - even in retirement. This sort of video helps therapists as well as people in recovery to get a better understanding of how these high control groups/cults function, how they hijack brains of very smart people, and the incredible harm they do. You're helping more people than you could ever know. These high control groups foment and nurture grave psychological self-harm in their victims and their employment of fear is extremely powerful. We are social creatures - our brains are literally "wired" for the safety of the group. We're terrible at running, worse at swimming, and we can't fly. And claws and fangs? Our blunt teeth and wee fingernails are useless for defense. We are a vulnerable species that evolved under dangerous circumstances with predators that can easily best us - we need the group. And our brains know it.
High control groups use that natural part of our psyche that is woven into our DNA - to "brainwash" us and keep us in the group. So when we're fully ousted, we torment ourselves with our own thoughts and feelings... those 3am wake-up fears... what if they're right? What if God is going to destroy me? Or Jehova. Or the Leaf Monster. Whatever version of a deity we are taught to fear can be plugged in. Being ousted from the cloister of the family/friend group is incredibly harmful and it takes a strength that I have so much admiration and respect for that I cannot put it to words. When I see someone who has left... WOW. I think, "Now THERE goes a person with a lot more strength than almost ANYONE. Including me."
It has to feel like stepping off the planet, shoving oneself away from the pull of its gravity, and floating around in space, an untethered satellite just drifting away from everything that is safe and secure. When a person decides to do that, they have absolutely had their FULL limit. The pain and fear, the hours of terror, the self-doubt, second guessing, and rethinking a ZILLION times - ALL of it is less painful than staying in the group. Wow. Now THAT is impressive.
There are 4,200 religions today. But MINE is the only truth, right?
** Side-eye in my mirror - at 70, shouldn't I be watching videos on flower arranging or something?
My goodness, I need you as my therapist. You made me feel so much better saying all that. Thank you.
Great Job Thanks
Amazing. I was really lucky my jw family didn't shun me when I left. My dad was about to be a CO when Mom got pregnant with me. What a weird experience the whole JW thing is.
Lucky for your dad he didn't become a co. What a thankless job.
All your comments spot on!
I started having questions at 18, was told i was having an 'effect' on my sister. Kicked out as an innocent Jehovah loving teen. Sad fact, our father was then able to have his 'effect' on my now unprotected sister i had to leave behind. So much trauma 😢
Removed sounds way worse than disfellowshipped
So true. It sounds more physical and rough.
Yeah, sounds like they merced them
Left at my own accord. Saw a witness while shopping. The first time not even a smile, second time put her head up in the air. How unloving .
Watchtower = 1984 by George Orwell ..Ministry of Truth😀😀
Is it going to be 1975 part 2? "We never said to shun, people misunderstood or chose to do it."
Let’s hope so!! 😂 People left in loads back then. My parents lost most of their friends and 1/4 of congr. left.
If the governing body totally do away with the shunning, they would lose at least half of their members. Everyone who now only is held in for fear of losing their family would stop going to the meetings.
You may be right, as I didn't consider al the PIMO's. The Watchtower Witnesses did shun unbaptized publishers up until the late 1980's though. The Watchtower congregation members received a public announcement from the Kingdom Hall platform in the late 1980's that they no longer needed to shun the unbaptized publishers who had been thrown out of the congregation and shunned. The Witnesses back then saw this announcement as "new light", and were happily running around to all the shunned unbaptized publishers, telling them that they no longer needed to shun them. The ones who had been shunned unnecessarily for so many years though, were the ones holding a grudge.
I think that history will repeat itself if the Watchtower leaders announce 'New Light' on no-more shunning. The PIMI's will be so happy that they are allowed to talk to their loved ones again without the burden of the notion that they are somehow going against God, and the former shunned ones and the PIMO's are the ones who will bare a grudge.
It's TRUE!
So that video struck me like it did a million other people, i knew immediately which video it was...it's. just so sad
Talk about twisting Scripture, the Watchtower Society is one of the world's worst at misinterpreting the Holy Bible. The reason that they will not change their shunning policy all at once is that they not only want to maintain control over their congregations, but they are also too cowardly to admit that this policy is not Biblical, and they don't want to deal with the severe backlash of anger from their congregations who were lied and indoctrinated into shunning their family and friends who no longer want to be part of the Watchtower Society. Thank you for continuing to expose the lies, cowardice, and hypocrisy of this cult.
Yes! And for what they are ,Wolves in sheep’s covering.
Yeah, JWs aren't even truly Christian, it's an entirely separate religion. JW theology literally has more in common with Islamic theology than orthodox, mainline Christian theology. They deny the divinity of Jesus and arbitrarily reject the cross and claim Jesus died tied to a post instead, literally just to stand apart. Seems like the founders of the Bible Students were contrarians that just wanted to make their religion as little like High Church Christianity as possible. It's hilarious how the most innovative, heterodox sect that purports to be Christian claims to somehow be identical to Apostolic Christianity. They believe the gates of Hell did prevail against the Church almost immediately after Pentecost in the 1st century, believing that the only good, "true" Christians that ever existed prior to Charles Taze Russel's ministry were the Jewish Christians in the Levant, and that by the time the faith had spread to Europe, it had become corrupted already. I even looked up what they say in regards to this pronouncement in Matthew 16:18, and the JW website article I found indeed did stand by their belief that Christians vanished from the face of the Earth for 1800+ years between the late 1st century and late 19th century. They performed the mental acrobatics necessary to maintain these contradictory beliefs by saying that "the gates of Hell" just means death, and thus that it means Christianity will not be wiped out PERMANENTLY, not that the Church is constant and has existed in an unbroken chain of faithful believers for the past two millennia, as the verse has been interpreted by all the Church Fathers and Christian theologians that ever existed. JWs are literally the worst schismatics in the history of Christendom. The sheer arrogance of believing they have reconstructed Apostolic Christianity by adopting a distinctly Americanized, Burned Over District-style Second Great Awakening theology. The JWs, the Pentecostals, the Mormons, the Christian Scientists, the Seventh Day Adventists...they're all heretical churches which share little in common with the historical faith. Same thing with newer movements like the New Apostolic Reformation and Word of Faith, those Charismatics that promote "health and wealth" theology, obsessing over signs and wonders and promoting an inverted gospel of greed and selfishness, spewing blasphemy constantly. I don't consider any of those groups genuinely Christian.
It’s not about sin, it’s about narcissistic control!
i really appreciate your videos so much info, empathy, laughter, love, hard work, but i can never finish this daughter one, when she says “i’m not taking into consideration there feelings” when there throwing her out!! 🤬
Agreed, most feel horrible about perceived "hurt to family & friends" and carry that guilt for years.
They can delete, deny, and lie all they want. The internet never forgets. Neither do we.
I was WAITING for you to cover this. Honestly, it blew my mind.
I am someone who avoided disfellowshipping my entire adult life and am kind of POed because I had to walk on eggshells around my family to keep a relationship with them. My sacrifices were great even though I moved far way from the congregation that I grew up in. I hope it does change for the sake of the new generation.
I had no idea it was still up. I thought they had deleted it a long time ago. Wow. Bold.
It was also in the interactive bible study course, lesson 57. So all those hard copies of the book "Enjoy Life Forever" still have the thumbnail for the shunning video. Online, however, they've changed that section of the lesson completely. But evidence remains in the hard copies. I wonder if they will take them off the literature carts and dispose of them now.
As sickening as these videos are I love how they backfired so hard. Watchtower was hoping it would make the faith stronger but really it shows everything how disgusting the organization is and how it hurts its members more then helps them.
Hey, so I am an American who now lives in Russia and also I have extended family members who are JWs. Anyhow, from what I understand is that JWs don't join the conscription service, the obligatory year in the army (which doesn't really evolves doing army man stuff.. well for most people it is just being the logistics of painting buildings and keeping facilities clean, etc) so that is kinda like "strike one" but, to be fair, there are many people who dodge the conscription for things like just paying a doctor to day that you have a skin disease or whatever. But yeah, from what I understand, it was the blood thing that what finally closed the book on them here. The Russian government is very pro-family. Pro-children, or whatever... so when you make a decision to not to have a blood transfusion, ok, that is ok if you are an adult... but if you make this decision for a child and the child could die with the blood, that was one of major points. It should also be noted the Scientology is banned here but also some weird Russian born cults that had their own communes in the forest. I should also point out that believing in the JW doctrine of the Scientologist doctrine is not illegal, but the organizations that sell things or buy buildings so that the can sell them in the real estate market, that is what was shut down. Like sanctions. So you can practice this religion, but it is the organization, especially the money making part, that is cancelled. So, I just thought I would give you a bit of an insider's look on the Russian take, keep up the good work.
I think banning those cults is pretty reasonable. Don't agree with the Russian government on much these days, but I have no qualms about that particular course of action.
Well done Wally, this I think is one of your best videos yet!
God is exposing evil cults.
Yes He is.
Who has the truth?
TRUE!!!
I give the credit to people like Wally.
@@vladig7006 Holy Spirit through Christ Jesus has the Truth
"These guys got no rizz" pissed myself, thank you wally
These JW videos make me sick 🤢 The blood guilt is unreal. How many have lost their lives to shunning? 😭
Amazing Wally thank you for all your hard work
Have anyone ever been sitting in the Kingdom Hall during their own disfellowshipping "ceremony"?
No not me… I NEVER went back to the KH. I went through enough hell to say the least.. I knew I was DONE. Why go back??
If I were a jw and I were being disfellowshipped no way would I sit in the kh. That would be way too much.
The parents will sit there and take it like a a badge. Then get the hugs. They love the hugs lol
But seriously.. the parents will sit and face it like it’s a test of faith.
Not me, but I heard from a friend (who got disfellowshipped the year after me), that the elder announcing I had disassociated, held a talk called “Don’t experiment with having an Independent mind” 😂 Out now for 40 years. Still an Independent thinker and soul 😜👏🏼
@@susanneh.7652 wow 😮
It's terrible to make a person isolated
I have an older woman in my life, I guess I could say shes my girlfriend, and shes a disfellowshipped JW. Shes still half brainwashed... Shes not totally honest with herself and cant admit its a cult, but the the things shes told me.... WOW! The psychological damage they caused. Her own adult children have not contacted her in over 7 years! Her crime was that she went through a divorce and met another man years ago, who she eventually married, though not straight away... All that, somehow justified the complete ruination of her life... I remember she snitched on herself and told the elders about her relationship with me.... I was so angry that she did that! Its like she is still controlled. She even blabbermouthed about her relationship with me to the one unbaptised JW who still spoke to her, then even they shunned her.
Maybe the lightbulb in her head hasnt truly been turned ON yet. She hasnt realized all the things that she thinks make this organization the truth are fraudulent. The chains start to fall off when whatever it is that keeps her under control, falls like a deck of cards. For me it was being told god chose this group over all other groups and the JWs lying or not including information about why they were the chosen ones. It all fell like a house of cards and the fear went away.
I explained to my brother once that being disfellowshipped felt like being out in a snow storm naked and freezing while you can see your family through a window inside a warm home happily eating dinner together and not even glancing out the window at you. He told me it was a great example and asked if he could use the analogy in a public talk…They use shunned people’s pain as “encouraging” stories to tell other witnesses to keep them in line and it’s disgusting.
Especially when the analogies are BRUTAL. One time a brother said that being disfellowshipped is like a hook being removed from your eye. It’s painful and might make you blind but it’s “for the best.”
Wtf???
I honestly disagree with the idea that if they changed the disfellowshipping rules the members would get angry. I feel like most hardcore witnesses will say what they've always been saying about every change and see it as "A blessing from Jehovah, look how kind Jehovah is to allow us to talked to df'd people now." Ofc there will be a minority who would see this and then get angry, but the level of indoctrination that these people have is terrifying.
I agree! The Watchtower Witnesses did shun unbaptized publishers up until the late 1980's, until the Watchtower congregation members received a public announcement from the Kingdom Hall platform in the late 1980's that they no longer needed to shun the unbaptized publishers who had been thrown out of the congregation. The Witnesses back then saw this announcement as "new light", and were happily running around to all the shunned unbaptized publishers, telling them that they no longer needed to shun them. The ones who had been shunned unnecessarily for so many years though, were the ones holding a grudge.
I think that history will repeat itself if the Watchtower leaders announce 'New Light' on no-more shunning. The brainwashed Witnesses will be so happy that they are allowed to talk to their loved ones again without the burden of the notion that they are somehow going against God, and the former shunned ones are the ones who will bare a grudge.
You’re right and just like that it can be reversed anytime with New light… WT organization is Wishy Washy or is it Jehovah who can’t make his mind up on Shunning….🤔
Yay, great to see ya! ❤
I met a Russian guy recently. He was not thrilled with most of his country's policies but said that Russia actually recognizes quite a few smaller religions, but the JWs started becoming well-known for causing divisions among families and hurting children. Families are super important in that culture and they value family connections
Thank you, Wally, and have a good 🎉 day!
Great video Wally!
Shunning is hardly a "loving" provision from god. When my brother was disfellowshipped for making a mistake, I could see how upset he felt about losing his family. Well, I wasn't going to let that happen. I baked him muffins and cookies, taking them over to his house. One time as I set out, I had the feeling I was being followed. I'm sure that my parents knew where I was going and called an elder. It looked like his car in the rear view mirror. Thankfully my city has a lot of one-way streets and I was able to loose him. I would never let anyone come between my brother and me.
Awesome!
The kingdom hall elders could learn from you.
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I agree. Shunning is neither a "loving discipline", nor is it Biblical. If some people think shunning is an act of "love", I "have a bridge to sell to them". 🤣
"Disfellowshipped," "removed" - a rose by any other name would smell as sweet! 😣
Oh no!! Speculation!! Don't you know that's not allowed in the exjw community, Wally? Kidding, awesome video again.
Everything is conditional nothing is genuine. You start asking questions and you get disfellowshipped and ripped apart from your family and fake friends. Your community is destroyed, but this is supposed to be the truth and loving OK whatever you say.
Ditto happened to me
It’s such a fake love. Love should not be conditional. I am sorry for anyone that has gone through this. I love you freely. You are my brother or sister and you deserve love and care. This shunning is disgusting and needs to stop.
There is no love in that religion 😢 its just a matter of being higher and higher in the congregation....😢
Do they still not understand why people leave? It’s suffocating and like being in a pressure cooker! Let people choose what they want, stop shunning!!
Hi Wally, I agree with ever word you said. But did you ever thought about that maybe something happened I always thinking of seeing more and more of their (JW.borg) videos?! "What if some of their main characters in those "DRAMATIZATIONS" (and that's it what it is, just fake religious idealized fantasy-world Soap-operas) woke up recently? Just remember, uncle Toni just stepped back or was removed from his position or what ever, all his morning worship videos got erased! What if maybe this Sonya Erickson, or one of their obviously fake parent actors, woke up now and suing the .borg now for removal of that video?!
Keep up your excellent work. You are needed.
Interesting thought but I bet the "actors" all sign some sort of legal document to cover that. The lawyerese is strong in the "Organization".
Awesome job on this video Wally!
When I was told I need to leave my church that I was baptized at, by a written letter, that church never shunned me or publicly humiliated me for removing myself from their church BUT JW , I want to personally leave, they will publicly announce that your dis fellowshipped and it doesn’t matter I want to leave, you are publicly shamed and shunned, the gossip begins without knowing why someone wants to leave.
They used to knock on my door. You showed me what evil they are.
The last time they knocked on my door, I thanked them for their time but said I was an athiest. The look of shock and horror on their face as they literally jogged away, lol.
Awwww, don't worry watchtower, the apostates have copies of that video you misplaced 😉
Man you cooked on this one. Great take💯🔥👨🏿🍳
What actually happen is that at her new job where she met Erick, she actually fell in love with him and the announcement got around about her getting disfellowshipped, the organization deleted the video..
Holy triggering… I haven’t been there in 40 years and that video sent me right back…🤢
I really have so many thoughts… the mental manipulation they trained into our parents is sick. Mind you, mine had a solid foundation of their own. But I remember being 4-8 when I realized they were talking out both sides of their ‘bible’… I would get beat for saying ‘why’d you let me get baptized @8 but then @13 I’m “too immature to know my mind.” I finally bolted @15. I’m glad they disfellowshipped me. If I hadn’t been cut off I know I would have been sucked back in by my ‘friends”
6:04 oh boy, he showed her his aquarium 💀
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Aquarium is the new rack. "Nice aquarium you got there"
Just say we have new light, we were wrong Jesus says to love one another. The most important saying of his is love your God, Love your neighbor as yourself. Unfortunately JWs don't know how to love themselves at all. How could you love yourself by shaming someone. Thanks Wally for this video
I'm also interested in how this Organization is going explain away all those who committed suicide because of this "loving provision (sarcasm intended)".
@michael: it’s been my experience that the Witnesses have ready answers for this tragedy…. “it’s the person’s own guilty conscience, they were always mentally unstable, they were hiding something anyway… etc etc”. Witnesses NEVER allow their beloved org to take responsibility for any of the negative things that happen within or outside of the org. They have ready excuses for everything that goes on.
We had an extremely corrupt elder presiding for decades over my last KH. He covered up wife swapping, grand theft, extortion and god knows what else because his adult children were involved in all of it! Other elders and ministerial servants went right along with it because they too were guilty of something or other.
When I talked with a friend from those days she agreed this elder was a scumbag and in the next breath actually defended him as doing much good for the congregation!! Can’t make this stuff up!
And yet you’d wonder when you’re been told to make Jehovah Happy to see Good Work in the KH 🤔🤣😆
Soon there will be jehovah's witnesses who will refuse to believe that this video never existed.
The internet is forever..too late Watchtower
Did anyone get “a silver mount zion” feel of the music to the one part of the video about Levi and then korah’s sons? Or is it just me?
Thanks Wally! Very accurate information for sure.
I’ll say it till I am blue in the face… once you post something on the internet! YOU CANT BLEEPING ERASE IT!!!!
It’s so stupid! And criminalize themselves even more!
That is right. I made the same comment on one ex-Jehovah's Witness video. Once you post something on the Internet you can't retract it. Like a genie let out of the bottle.
🔥🔥Way to go Wally, you really bought it to life ! so on point, this one woke a lot of ppl up 💕💕💕
I am shunned over 50 years.
You dodged z bullet. Shun them and thank God.
@@timothydavis7927 😖😖😖
My mother shunned me the last 8 years she was alive. I’m so glad I left! I can’t believe I fell for their lies for 42 years!!!!
I think their next change is going to be birthdays!!! What do you think is next???🤷🏻♀️
Yasssss, I have family that are JWs and I noticed I posted about a birthday and they liked it. They have never done that. Also one of my family members posted a almost birthday post. Everything was there except the words happy Birthday. They had never done that for their child before. They always ease into the change I notice. But if they will be able to celebrate birthdays will that mean Christmas will be celebrated ? Maybe no tree or lights. Hmmmmm.
The new light will shine on Christmas
@ I think birthday’s will be the next “new light” after that, I think holidays will be next. They know the old people will freak out & may not accept it. That’s why they are trying so hard to get the young to go to bethel & making very young boy’s ministerial servants & elders. They need to keep all the born ins, there’s no other growth!🤔
Birthdays 🎂 will be next for sure 👍🏽.
Yes glad the newest video showed up in my Yt feed
Shunning a shunning video is so deliciously meta, but unfortunately (for the church) really seems to highlight exactly what they are trying to downplay.
Thanks for another good ass video wally ...you nailed it mate as always..!!..keep up the great work your doing cus u really are making an impact on this toxic cult
5:30 it's sick how they demonize genuine human connection like this 😩 they teach you not to trust your own feelings. Not just with romantic feelings, but they teach you not to trust all your feelings that don't align with the tRuTh.
If they change their stand then it will prove they are not Gods mouthpiece!
What a good thing to hear. They’re exposed as false prophets.
✔Its sickening & gut wrenching watching these shunning video's again - but DETETE all you want watchtower, we've all got them recorded for posterity. Maybe the young woman who played Sonia in the first video has left the building.
Thank you for this video!!
Excellent video, Wally. 👍✊
Cowardly move on their part!!! They are so conniving and I'm so glad you and so many others openly talk about all of the shady stuff WT does. There are so many red flags and im so grateful to be out!
She’s describing a trauma bond… with the Watchtower.
This type of situation can make someone su*cidal - I know it would make me, which is why I never told anyone about how I truly feel about the watchtower. What if she was feeling that way and tried to talk to someone but they all shunned her? What if she committed the act? Would they still believe the extreme shunning was the right thing?
@@RebecaAiimee Yes they would and they would blame her because they’re heartless.
@@BlackKittyCat99 I believe so too. I can imagine them saying "if she never left, she would've still been here, but her actions led her down that path." Insanity.
Love your videos Wally! I have lived their Cheeto video
This pisses me off. How are they going to explain to the parents who lost their disfellowshipped children and never got to say goodbye or (in some cases) weren't allowed to attend their funerals? What are they going to tell the parents whose kids killed themselves because their parents kicked them to the streets and refused to talk to them? Can you imagine being one of those parents who, let's face it, feel the guilt of their child's death every day, can you imagine being in the Kingdom Hall the day the governing body pulls "new light" out of their ass and say if you family get disfellowshipped it's business as usual for y'all? Let's not forget that JWs believe when someone takes their own life that's it, there's no comie backies.
One more thing that has been bugging me is I have seen a few videos on the new rules of disfellowshipping, and so far all I have seen is the name of it is the biggest change, and a pile of crap by any other name still smells like shit.
It's clever. The (printed) watchtower saved everyone and can't be changed anymore. Disappeared videos can't be retrieved. So, evidence gone!
Oh but people have saved them so it’s never truly gone. The internet never truly forgets.