$2000 worth of gauges and tools. Uses two quarters to check a gas key clearance. Finally, a gauge I actually have! This is why I'm a fan. 👍 Always learning something new.
Add a quarter to make it work. This is genuinely a real method for balancing your buffer and real armourers as well as race gunners use it. Great if you have a specific ammo you always use but not so much if you shoot different ammo. (We, the royal we that is) use this method to soften recoil by adding coins, (always a quarter on each end) until the gun barely works to “game” the gun for function/recoil managment.
@@racp9mm419 you drop the coin(s) in the bottom of your buffer tube to increase the load on your buffer spring. Once you get your buffer balanced you can buy a new spring with greater tension to swap it or just run it with the coin(s).
Im fairly new to building, only done 7. And never thought to of checked that before. I'll be checking that out on each of them tho. I've definitely learned alot from watching him. He was recently recommend by a man I spoke with over the phone from Vltor.
There are Anderson haters out there, but having been a 2111 in the Marine Corps, I see nothing wrong with the ones I have used in the civilian market. The ones I’ve had come across my bench have all been well made examples. Semper Fidelis🇺🇸
Same. I have 3 assembled on Anderson lowers and my dad has 2. Zero issues. Half the people whining about them being junk probably own a gun with a lower built by them just engraved differently.
Exactly why I made Anderson my 1st Ar after hours of reading reviews and specs. I don't need to go completely into my reasons for limited income but suffice it to say I could only afford to buy 1 go / home defensive and occasional plinking 5.56 16" platform. This company was one of only maybe 3 I narrowed down to my price range and quality expectations ( not always even 2 things that can go together) but in the end there was 1 clear winner and offering a metal lower at that... Anderson manufacturing am15 for the win made in Hebron Kentucky USA, no brainer in my book and experience. GOD bless America🇺🇸 Thank you Anderson manufacturing.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and another great video. I don't know why some try to knock Anderson manufacturing. I have never had an issue with them. Like yourself, I mic the trigger pocket walls on every lower prior to building, and Andersons have been dead even every time.
i know this is an old video, but thank you so much for all the informational content you put out. Your video with the rear takedown pin trick saved me so much hassle, and i went through my lower as you went through this one in the video just to make sure mine was exactly the same results as yours! Thank you so much for being so informative and down to earth!
Lol, i love when ar snobs bash on "the poors" for Anderson lowers. Its just a box to put stuff in. If you put good stuff in the box, it works great. I think Anderson had some QC issues, but they seem to have improved.
@@sooneradmirer4382 Yep. There's no qualifications test for knowledge/skill/experience before posting a comment on the internet. "Keyboard warriors" can type whatever they like and unfortunately, innocent people can be fooled by a bunch of know-nothing typists... or uncritical fawning fans of a brand... or mere trolls looking to stir up trouble.
Was suggested in a fb group to check your vids out and I’m hooked… fairly new to firearms and just watching your vids on the insides of these firearms especially cuz I have an Anderson has really given me confidence to not be afraid of disassembling my rifle and learning more about em, thank you!!
Anderson lowers are the best bang for the buck. I prefer the Aero Precision parts because of the adjustment screw to match up to the upper, but the Anderson lowers are extremely well made. They have their manufacturing process well dialed in.
@@corbinleiby7461 LOL - Looks like they stole a page from Aero Precision. Kudos to Anderson. You have me thinking. Is Aero Precision making the lowers for Anderson? I know that AP makes OEM parts for other companies, but they keep it a secret.
On one of my Aero M4E1 lowers, the pivot pin is tight. Tried a couple different pins and samething. It works just tight. Have to use a bullet or whatever to get it out when breaking down. All other Aero lowers I have no issue. But so far my favorite lower is my newest addition is the SOLGW angry patriot. A buddy has a few anderson lowers and they run perfectly.
I have a brand new Anderson upper and where the upper meet the lower you can see the edge of the upper has a slight “wave” to it. Doesn’t bother anything except my ocd.
@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Hard to find parts on some thing by using plain ole terms when searching. Noun nomenclature is a way of life in the military.
@@jeremyjeremy8795not true man. Many manufacturers are punching out of spec receiver. Just watch a few of this guys videos. He had a Knight Armament blem lower that was crazy bad.
@@six159nagito not necessarily. I'm sure he has the gucciest of gucci to the point he can't afford ammo bc he dumped $2,000 into a rifle, modified it, built a new one out of the parts he took out of his original one, etc. But there is a point of these really expensive lowers and uppers. They fit on tightly, really nice parts, they feel good to hold and even better to shoot. That's about it. Doesn't matter if it's a PSA or LWRC, if it's a functional rifle then it's a functional rifle.
Someone has surely caught it by now, but that mark on the receiver from the gas key is likely from the operator placing an upper on the lower without the buffer and spring by accident and charging the bcg to the rear. Seen that all the time in the army, when soldiers turn in their weapons after cleaning, and forget the buffer. Great video.
I've got an Anderson lower with ambidextrous safety selector, it was a complete lower from Anderson I got at a fantastic price and put my 10.5" Aero precision upper on it and the two fit very very well together. I am using an Aero BCG and it runs fantastic and I couldn't be happier!
Great video good sir. An 8-pound Mil trigger must feel like dragging a dead cow across a 4-lane highway. I would suggest he pick-up a LaRue Tactical MBT-2S, or MBT-2S-SB either of which is a 2-stage National Match which break clean at 3-to 3-1/2 pounds. They are on sale at this time for $80 for the hammer/trigger set with springs.
@@jonmeray713 Yeaaah no. ^_^ Why subject yourself to one when a far better system costing little more than a Mil-standard is available? o_0 Having pulled and tested ten's of thousands of M16 series triggers over a 25 year Army carrier starting as a 45-Bravo Small Arms Repairer and ending as a Senior Ordnance instructor. So for me, just no thank you. >_
Just my opinion. The majority of AR owners are putting maybe 150 rounds through their rifle every other year. In a stressed self defense situation a 3 1/2 pound match grade trigger is a poor choice for MOST people. On the other hand many standard Mil triggers are just awful until broken in but sadly most people will never fire enough rounds to do that. I always recommend an aftermarket trigger in the 4 1/2~5 1/2 pound range. Lately the Ruger Elite 452 trigger is where I try to steer people.
So far I say Anderson offers a good product for the money. As for any brand It is good to run a proper sized drill bit with your fingers in the roll pin holes to make sure the hard coat didn`t tighten up the holes and you will have no issue driving the roll pins in. Cudos to the School of the American Rifle.
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I have two poverty pony lowers, both purchased at the same time and place, that I had to drill the safety detent hole out. They were only partially drilled. They work fine now, but were defective from the factory. The next 5 poverty pony lowers I purchased, again all at one time and place, the grip screw holes weren't drilled and threaded deep enough to accept full length grip screws. I had to grind 1/4" off the end of every one of them to get them to tighten down properly. They work fine now, but were defective from the factory. I don't think using the shorter bolts for the grip will affect the strength to any appreciable degree, but you wouldn't be able to swap it out with a standard size one. My track record with Anderson lowers, as they come from the factory, is not very good.
Anderson sells blem lowers could have been the blem.I was told by a gunsmith friend who worked for a firearms company that Anderson makes lowers for several other companies
andrew slagle, Anderson does maks other companies lowers and they most likely have better QC with them. Ive seen andersons that didn’t have the mag pocket machined out. They have a bad reputation for a reason.
Video may be 3 years old, but as a horseman in real life, I always like to see a grass-fueled pony get through a checkup and be declared healthy. As a shooter, that goes just as true for the gunpowder fueled "Poverty Ponies" - Got a small herd of those along with the hayburners. Never have understood the grumbling about Anderson lowers. No blatantly obvious problems with any of mine so far. 👍 Nice presentation.
Bought an anderson lower once, and only once. Something with the safety detent hole was out of spec, as in the safety would barely engage. When the selector was moved to safe, it would barley engage. Just the slightest bump and the safety would switch to fire. Replaced spring, detent pin, same issue. Sent the lower back to anderson, second one had same issue. Ended up trading that lower off.
@@corbinleiby7461 Yes, I tried two or three safety selectors, and a couple of detent pins. Even ordered Colt parts from Brownells and they did not work either.
I've had my pins walk out (daniel defense parts kit) on my anderson lower, I assumed either one or the other was slightly out of spec. Installed some anti rotating pins as my hillbilly fix. I spent more $ on the lpk than I did on the lower.
I didn't know any of these tools existed, or things to check were actually things to check! man that was a impressive work bench! I have my mallet and a allen key
Now I need more tools...Brownell's magazine catch tool. Oh wait I don't have any of his gauges (but do have go and no-go gauges). Also watching these videos is like watching "Casablana", you know what's going to happen next and how it's going to end but you always get something different out of it every time.
I have 2 Anderson lowers. The first one seemed to have a little issue with getting the selector back in (too tight) with a drop in Timney. The second had no issues. Probably the selector itself on the second one is undersize. Overall I believe they are good middle range products Not “as good as the top tier” but “good enough for my use”
It’s true, but the odds of getting one that’s in spec even to the extent of this example seems fairly slim from the physicals I’ve seen of Anderson products.
@@froggerjohn427 never said anything different.. I personally use Aero receivers but have a guy who shoots with me that has one he uses and just shooting with me he's put put a ton of rounds through it in just the last year.. but yeah.. if you get one it needs checking period. But my comment still stands.. if it's in spec it's fine.
@@froggerjohn427 I’ve built over 30 lowers using mostly Anderson, and their LPK’s, I have never found anything out of spec, or a single issue to date. Fingers crossed.
I bought some 80% Anderson lowers a while back. First thing I noticed was the rear lug recess (presized and anodized ) on one of them was undersized. I haven’t checked all of them yet.
Ive assembled 3 Ar-15’s with Anderson lowers and I had clearence problems with all of them. I needed to dremel out the mag release button openings and the bolt release openings, plus they have a sloppy fit to the uppers. Other than that they are totally usable and work as good as my 2a and Aero receivers. For my budget builds I now use ATI forged lowers because its threaded to capture the rear take down pin detent spring and they have the threaded hole for the teflon tipped lower to upper tensioning screws. The ATI’s are cheaper where I live, and Ive had no problems with clearencing to install lower parts kits. And I use only quality lower parts kits.
Anderson provides the lowers for many high priced rifles. Anderson knows what they're doing and has been doing it for a long time. The price is not indicative of the quality. People will always pay for the most expensive things for the wrong reasons.
I got rid of my Anderson lowers I bought three at one time two of them would not except aftermarket magazines. One had a safety dent hole. It wasn’t drilled deep enough.
Poverty Pony FTW! :) And if anybody thinks I'm being snotty at Anderson lowers, think again - I'm a happy owner of 3 of 'em. Only problem I've had with any of them turned out not to be a problem with the lower, but the takedown pin that came with the LPK - it was just a titch fat, so it took some extra "oomph" to get it to either seat, or pop out. Not enough to put the rifle out of action, but enough to be annoying when trying to open or close it. Chucking up the pin in my drill-press, spinning it up to 540 or so and touching it lightly with emery cloth a few times cured that problem.
What is your profession opinion of the Anderson upper and lower 🤔. I used one in one of my builds and was very pleased with them. Fit and finish was nice with the 20 year old lower Delton parts set I found in some of my tucked away parts, lol
Sample of one. I've personally seen an Anderson lower where the bolt release was too far back to lock open any magazine and there is a video on here that shows an Anderson lower where the magwell wasn't machined out and could not accept any magazine what so ever. That seems like very poor qc
built 4 in the last year. not one issue. It’s a lower. if the holes are the right size and in the right place then the lower is absolutely indistinguishable from any other, except cosmetics and particular preferences.
I've got 2 different Anderson lowers, one of them is their ghost lower with no logo and I guarantee a lot of people wouldn't know it wasn't one of those high-dollar lowers. I've been very pleased with Anderson compared to other lowers I have that were twice the price.
If the buffer goes too far to the back and strikes the gas key and lower receiver a quick fix would be to add quarters at the back inside of the buffer tube before putting in the spring until you have the correct clearance of the gas key to receiver, it’s not a permanent fix but can get you out of a damaging jam!😉
I got 3 Anderson lowers a few years ago built my 300BLKOUT one for my son and this year one for my daughter, no complaints at all they work great. I built them using kits from Daytona Tactical, the uppers are a little sloppy mating to the lowers so I had to use those rubber bumpers. Otherwise they work good.
Ive noted all the go no go guages you use. It would be nice if you could publish a list of their spec. measurements. I mention this becouse for those of us who have full set of machinest pins could use those to spec out some of these holes. Mabey not all, but a few. I've used mine to check pivot and lock pins, and drill bit shanks measured with digital calipers to check trigger pin holes for size. We do what we must with what we have on hand. I'm sure thats not the preferred or sometimes most accurate way but it'll get a person by in a pinch. Mabey?
Man oh man they way you just popped them trigger housing pins in like it was nothing makes me hate myself it took me a long time maybe a hour and a half to get mine installed but for my own defense this was the vary first AR I put together. I also have a stripped Anderson lower.
It would have been nice to see a true mil spec selector in the safety hole, it could be the milspec hole gauge is on the large size (if the safety is milspec), it could be the safety in the lower is milspec... Regardless, it's good to see the Anderson lower pass the test.
Some of these other gun experts on You Tube have extra skill where they can evaluate these receivers and BCGs without needing any of these fancy gauges. They can just hold it up and look at it with their naked eye, and be like umhm yeah that is a great BCG, everything looks perfect or whatever. No gauges needed for these super pros, their eyeballs just know.
I have to know where you get these wonderful toys. You have gauges that check gauges. Where do I find these? Now that I see them, I have to have them.........
When you pulled the trigger the gage was at the top of the trigger. It takes a lot more pressure at the top of the trigger because of the lack of leverage. Honest test would be where your finger would be.
@@madeintexas1213 LOL guess you've not seen the forums dedicated to Anderson. They may be alright now, but they earned the stain on their reputation. And they're no longer the lowest priced, anyway. Cool logo, though.
Cheap, no, inexpensive yes. You do realize very well-known, hence more costly, lowers are manufactured by the highly regarded Northern Kentucky based manufacturer, Anderson! Right?
I have a trigger and some replacement parts from their AR Stoner line. I think their parts are not spectacular but pretty inline with quality for the price. Potterfield is a decent gunsmith and Midway has good customer service. I also dig Brownells and their 'Smyth Buster' series.
What about the known issue with some Anderson receivers- some BCG hold opens hang up on the rear of the magazine follower and the BCG closes on an empty chamber? A tolerance issue maybe!
BTW- no hate here for Anderson lowers they have worked for me just fine but if you are checking them maybe this potential issue should be part of that check.
Curious if you have done any checks on Odin Works Zulu 2.0 adjustable butt-stock? It has an additional, small spring in their receiver extension. I have one on my AR15 and it works great. It changed the felt recoil just enough to go from good to very good target reacquiring after firing and my ejection is about 3:30-4:00. I rechecked the BCG space as you had in this video just to make sure. Thanks!
I have 2 andersons. One is good dont know the specs but i have had no issues. The other i know for sure the buffer retaining pin hole is out of spec. That one will become BRN 180 host
Have you ever heard of an Anderson lower "breaking"? Ive only ever heard of them being out of spec, the ones that arent seem to last just as long as any other so basically forever...
Great video. After watching your video, I looked at my lower receiver and noticed that my buffer tube is slightly off. Clocked just a slight amount off, not bent or anything like that. I thought to adjust it, but its only slightly off and doesn't seem to actually matter functional speaking or otherwise. I can't really see why it being off slightly matters. How closely aligned does it have to be? It seems if it is off a little it wouldn't actually matter. Am I wrong? What would be within limits? I served in the Army, I wouldn't be surprised to find a few military rifles slightly off in that regard. Especially considering the way some of the dopes I served with handle things...
Impact mark on the back of the receiver looks like someone closed the upper on top of the lower without the BCG being fully seated in the upper. Looks more like a scrape than an impact mark from the gas key?
Peter Egger having done just that once or twice, I was thinking the same thing. That being said, I now have a new tolerance to check. Now if I can just find 2 quarters
Yep finding two quaters to rub together after paying for ammunition is going to be tough. Might have to use a couple of slugs. No seriously. There is a change shortage on man .
I notice you didn't check the buffer retainer hole for spec, most likely cause you did take off the buffer tube as per the owner's wishes. My Anderson lower was way off and chewed up my buffer. An Offset Buffer Retainer fixed it. Not sure if you have run into lots of those, but I do have one if you want pictures.
I realize this comment is a couple months old, but have you looked in to the captured-spring buffer systems? I use them on all my builds now, and many of the higher quality ones you don't need a buffer retainer at all, they are a drop in one-piece unit often with an O-ring to make contact with the BCG nice and tight and keep anything from having bounceback. Best part is if you want to try different buffer weight you can just slide them out and slide a different one in without worrying about a pin to bind up on the spring
I have a clone complete URG-I upper with the DD m12 gas block.It isn't pinned just dimpled,screwed and marked with paint.Would it be worth it to pin it also?
$2000 worth of gauges and tools. Uses two quarters to check a gas key clearance. Finally, a gauge I actually have! This is why I'm a fan. 👍 Always learning something new.
Add a quarter to make it work. This is genuinely a real method for balancing your buffer and real armourers as well as race gunners use it. Great if you have a specific ammo you always use but not so much if you shoot different ammo. (We, the royal we that is) use this method to soften recoil by adding coins, (always a quarter on each end) until the gun barely works to “game” the gun for function/recoil managment.
@@john-paulsilke893 hu? Lol
@@racp9mm419 you drop the coin(s) in the bottom of your buffer tube to increase the load on your buffer spring. Once you get your buffer balanced you can buy a new spring with greater tension to swap it or just run it with the coin(s).
@@john-paulsilke893 this is the reason why your government refused to fix the SA80.
@@Tyler-uc4ye eh. Without the shit version, it wouldn't have been what it became.
That slave pin for installation of the trigger is a awesome idea !!! Thank you for the tip !
Like how this did better than a few of the high end lowers you’ve looked over
Love my Anderson lower with my palmetto state armory upper. Shoots very accurate 👌
and today you could build that set up for as little as $400 on a blem build kit
I've been building and working with AR's for a few years now and I still learn so much from your videos. Would love to take a class sometime.
Had no idea that the gas key could impact the extension end of the receiver. Never thought about that.
Hammer drop lock tool is awesome. I just went to go see if my buffer tube had a gas key markings.....all good. Thanks for the great information.
Im fairly new to building, only done 7. And never thought to of checked that before. I'll be checking that out on each of them tho. I've definitely learned alot from watching him. He was recently recommend by a man I spoke with over the phone from Vltor.
I learn new stuff from every video.
The more you know, the more you realize how much you don't know.
I'd love to see you do a physical on an Aero M4E1 lower.
Yes please
I could offer one that has issues !
Aero lower and BCG
Yes definitely would love to see
@@aaa3d473 what issues are you having with an Aero lower?
There are Anderson haters out there, but having been a 2111 in the Marine Corps, I see nothing wrong with the ones I have used in the civilian market. The ones I’ve had come across my bench have all been well made examples. Semper Fidelis🇺🇸
Same. I have 3 assembled on Anderson lowers and my dad has 2. Zero issues. Half the people whining about them being junk probably own a gun with a lower built by them just engraved differently.
I have gleaned some great nuggets of information and tricks of the trade, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I feel like you've done this once or twice.
I've had nothing but praise for Anderson lowers. The several I own are excellent. As always, Thanks for the video!!
Exactly why I made Anderson my 1st Ar after hours of reading reviews and specs. I don't need to go completely into my reasons for limited income but suffice it to say I could only afford to buy 1 go / home defensive and occasional plinking 5.56 16" platform. This company was one of only maybe 3 I narrowed down to my price range and quality expectations ( not always even 2 things that can go together) but in the end there was 1 clear winner and offering a metal lower at that... Anderson manufacturing am15 for the win made in Hebron Kentucky USA, no brainer in my book and experience. GOD bless America🇺🇸 Thank you Anderson manufacturing.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and another great video. I don't know why some try to knock Anderson manufacturing. I have never had an issue with them. Like yourself, I mic the trigger pocket walls on every lower prior to building, and Andersons have been dead even every time.
i know this is an old video, but thank you so much for all the informational content you put out. Your video with the rear takedown pin trick saved me so much hassle, and i went through my lower as you went through this one in the video just to make sure mine was exactly the same results as yours! Thank you so much for being so informative and down to earth!
Thanks for using the quarters. It helps with folks that may not have the gauges.
Lol, i love when ar snobs bash on "the poors" for Anderson lowers. Its just a box to put stuff in. If you put good stuff in the box, it works great. I think Anderson had some QC issues, but they seem to have improved.
Been there too. Don't let "Keyboard warriors" get you down.
Nike/sketcher same thing some people just care about the brand
@@sooneradmirer4382 Yep. There's no qualifications test for knowledge/skill/experience before posting a comment on the internet. "Keyboard warriors" can type whatever they like and unfortunately, innocent people can be fooled by a bunch of know-nothing typists... or uncritical fawning fans of a brand... or mere trolls looking to stir up trouble.
Just tell them at least you either A. Actually own a gun and B. I actually use it.
I've gauged quite a few lowers, and Anderson tends to have nice and tight tolerances (often better than some higher end lowers). So why pay more?
Thank you for another lesson.
Your efforts on our behalf are appreciated.
Was suggested in a fb group to check your vids out and I’m hooked… fairly new to firearms and just watching your vids on the insides of these firearms especially cuz I have an Anderson has really given me confidence to not be afraid of disassembling my rifle and learning more about em, thank you!!
Built a grendel off an Anderson and enjoy it. Best value in a lower IMHO.
Anderson lowers are the best bang for the buck. I prefer the Aero Precision parts because of the adjustment screw to match up to the upper, but the Anderson lowers are extremely well made. They have their manufacturing process well dialed in.
I started getting newer Anderson’s that have that screw!
@@corbinleiby7461 LOL - Looks like they stole a page from Aero Precision. Kudos to Anderson. You have me thinking. Is Aero Precision making the lowers for Anderson? I know that AP makes OEM parts for other companies, but they keep it a secret.
@@Quality_GuruMy Savage MSR15 came with the tension screw long before AP made them.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge in these videos. You are doing folks a real service.
Any chance you can make a video on how you stake a castle nut the Colt way?
You hit it real hard.
Anderson is a very good value brand.
The only issue I've ever experienced is a very tight tolerance on the pivot pin holes.
On one of my Aero M4E1 lowers, the pivot pin is tight. Tried a couple different pins and samething. It works just tight. Have to use a bullet or whatever to get it out when breaking down. All other Aero lowers I have no issue. But so far my favorite lower is my newest addition is the SOLGW angry patriot. A buddy has a few anderson lowers and they run perfectly.
@@jameshill5304 SOLGW ftw
I have a brand new Anderson upper and where the upper meet the lower you can see the edge of the upper has a slight “wave” to it. Doesn’t bother anything except my ocd.
Kentucky represent. I've been telling y'all!
Amen, and thats coming from a Kentucky boy from down Route 15 towards Perry County. Proud of Anderson and I'm happy to support them.
I love these videos. I'm in the process of creating a SOTAR dictionary. So far I have:
Egged-out
Clocked
Three-Bore
Is it three-bore or free bore?
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 three bore. My apologies is I wasn't clear.
@ Cory Hobbs
I'm laughing at your dictionary. My wife said I use "nomenclature" a lot.
School of the American Rifle What does three bore mean then? Or why is it called three?
@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Hard to find parts on some thing by using plain ole terms when searching. Noun nomenclature is a way of life in the military.
Saving this to watch later.
The famous Reno may 🍻
I’m not famous lol
@@RenoMay famous enough
10:42 stops video and gets AR
Actually looking to build my first AR. Been looking at Anderson's on a few other videos. think you pushed me off the fence. Great job/video
I have a few Anderson lowers on guns and they run fine. Dunno if they would pass all the inspection this guy does but they never missed a beat.
the lower receiver itself is the most unimportant part of a build…it is as close to “they’re all the same” as anything can get
@@jeremyjeremy8795not true man. Many manufacturers are punching out of spec receiver. Just watch a few of this guys videos. He had a Knight Armament blem lower that was crazy bad.
Get that lower then but never buy their barrels
My god, this videos is going to break the internet...
No, you're still poor and copeposting.
@Ryan Casey I'm on M4C.
Yeah, there is a thread there with a bunch of dudes defending the $200 BCM stripped lower. Funny thread.
@DVCasey0311 G&R shit?
@@six159nagito not necessarily. I'm sure he has the gucciest of gucci to the point he can't afford ammo bc he dumped $2,000 into a rifle, modified it, built a new one out of the parts he took out of his original one, etc. But there is a point of these really expensive lowers and uppers. They fit on tightly, really nice parts, they feel good to hold and even better to shoot. That's about it. Doesn't matter if it's a PSA or LWRC, if it's a functional rifle then it's a functional rifle.
Please review LWRC. Fantastic channel
competence, efficiency, and speed are beautiful to watch
Someone has surely caught it by now, but that mark on the receiver from the gas key is likely from the operator placing an upper on the lower without the buffer and spring by accident and charging the bcg to the rear.
Seen that all the time in the army, when soldiers turn in their weapons after cleaning, and forget the buffer.
Great video.
Been waiting for the Anderson lower video!
I've got an Anderson lower with ambidextrous safety selector, it was a complete lower from Anderson I got at a fantastic price and put my 10.5" Aero precision upper on it and the two fit very very well together. I am using an Aero BCG and it runs fantastic and I couldn't be happier!
Great video good sir. An 8-pound Mil trigger must feel like dragging a dead cow across a 4-lane highway. I would suggest he pick-up a LaRue Tactical MBT-2S, or MBT-2S-SB either of which is a 2-stage National Match which break clean at 3-to 3-1/2 pounds. They are on sale at this time for $80 for the hammer/trigger set with springs.
@@ReptilianLepton I myself use Rock River Arms 2-stage national match triggers.
@@jonmeray713 Yeaaah no. ^_^ Why subject yourself to one when a far better system costing little more than a Mil-standard is available? o_0 Having pulled and tested ten's of thousands of M16 series triggers over a 25 year Army carrier starting as a 45-Bravo Small Arms Repairer and ending as a Senior Ordnance instructor. So for me, just no thank you. >_
Just my opinion. The majority of AR owners are putting maybe 150 rounds through their rifle every other year. In a stressed self defense situation a 3 1/2 pound match grade trigger is a poor choice for MOST people. On the other hand many standard Mil triggers are just awful until broken in but sadly most people will never fire enough rounds to do that. I always recommend an aftermarket trigger in the 4 1/2~5 1/2 pound range. Lately the Ruger Elite 452 trigger is where I try to steer people.
I've built about 10 AR's, two with Anderson Lowers, and the Anderson's have functioned flawlessly. Can you spend 2x more on a lower? Yeah, but why?
I’ll be honest, I didn’t expect it to do that well, but I was pleasantly surprised considering the price point of that lower.
They go on sale for $29. People spending $200 on a lower are nuts.
So far I say Anderson offers a good product for the money. As for any brand It is good to run a proper sized drill bit with your fingers in the roll pin holes to make sure the hard coat didn`t tighten up the holes and you will have no issue driving the roll pins in. Cudos to the School of the American Rifle.
I have two poverty pony lowers, both purchased at the same time and place, that I had to drill the safety detent hole out. They were only partially drilled.
They work fine now, but were defective from the factory.
The next 5 poverty pony lowers I purchased, again all at one time and place, the grip screw holes weren't drilled and threaded deep enough to accept full length grip screws. I had to grind 1/4" off the end of every one of them to get them to tighten down properly. They work fine now, but were defective from the factory. I don't think using the shorter bolts for the grip will affect the strength to any appreciable degree, but you wouldn't be able to swap it out with a standard size one.
My track record with Anderson lowers, as they come from the factory, is not very good.
Anderson sells blem lowers could have been the blem.I was told by a gunsmith friend who worked for a firearms company that Anderson makes lowers for several other companies
andrew slagle, Anderson does maks other companies lowers and they most likely have better QC with them. Ive seen andersons that didn’t have the mag pocket machined out. They have a bad reputation for a reason.
Video may be 3 years old, but as a horseman in real life, I always like to see a grass-fueled pony get through a checkup and be declared healthy. As a shooter, that goes just as true for the gunpowder fueled "Poverty Ponies" - Got a small herd of those along with the hayburners. Never have understood the grumbling about Anderson lowers. No blatantly obvious problems with any of mine so far. 👍 Nice presentation.
Bought an anderson lower once, and only once. Something with the safety detent hole was out of spec, as in the safety would barely engage. When the selector was moved to safe, it would barley engage. Just the slightest bump and the safety would switch to fire. Replaced spring, detent pin, same issue. Sent the lower back to anderson, second one had same issue. Ended up trading that lower off.
Did you replace the safety selector itself?
I’ve had this issue before and it was the selector!
@@corbinleiby7461 Yes, I tried two or three safety selectors, and a couple of detent pins. Even ordered Colt parts from Brownells and they did not work either.
I've had my pins walk out (daniel defense parts kit) on my anderson lower, I assumed either one or the other was slightly out of spec. Installed some anti rotating pins as my hillbilly fix. I spent more $ on the lpk than I did on the lower.
I didn't know any of these tools existed, or things to check were actually things to check! man that was a impressive work bench! I have my mallet and a allen key
Now I need more tools...Brownell's magazine catch tool. Oh wait I don't have any of his gauges (but do have go and no-go gauges).
Also watching these videos is like watching "Casablana", you know what's going to happen next and how it's going to end but you always get something different out of it every time.
I think he said that you can do the test with a 20 Rd GI mag.
Great video. I'm still trying to figure out why my VCR is still blinking 12:00
I have 2 Anderson lowers. The first one seemed to have a little issue with getting the selector back in (too tight) with a drop in Timney. The second had no issues. Probably the selector itself on the second one is undersize.
Overall I believe they are good middle range products
Not “as good as the top tier” but “good enough for my use”
Outstanding work you do here! Very educational👍 thank you for your worl
All lowers are not the same.. that being said an in spec Anderson is gonna run with the best..
It’s true, but the odds of getting one that’s in spec even to the extent of this example seems fairly slim from the physicals I’ve seen of Anderson products.
@@froggerjohn427 never said anything different.. I personally use Aero receivers but have a guy who shoots with me that has one he uses and just shooting with me he's put put a ton of rounds through it in just the last year.. but yeah.. if you get one it needs checking period. But my comment still stands.. if it's in spec it's fine.
@@froggerjohn427 I’ve built over 30 lowers using mostly Anderson, and their LPK’s, I have never found anything out of spec, or a single issue to date. Fingers crossed.
I bought some 80% Anderson lowers a while back. First thing I noticed was the rear lug recess (presized and anodized ) on one of them was undersized. I haven’t checked all of them yet.
Ive assembled 3 Ar-15’s with Anderson lowers and I had clearence problems with all of them. I needed to dremel out the mag release button openings and the bolt release openings, plus they have a sloppy fit to the uppers. Other than that they are totally usable and work as good as my 2a and Aero receivers. For my budget builds I now use ATI forged lowers because its threaded to capture the rear take down pin detent spring and they have the threaded hole for the teflon tipped lower to upper tensioning screws. The ATI’s are cheaper where I live, and Ive had no problems with clearencing to install lower parts kits. And I use only quality lower parts kits.
Anderson provides the lowers for many high priced rifles. Anderson knows what they're doing and has been doing it for a long time. The price is not indicative of the quality. People will always pay for the most expensive things for the wrong reasons.
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I got rid of my Anderson lowers I bought three at one time two of them would not except aftermarket magazines. One had a safety dent hole. It wasn’t drilled deep enough.
Poverty Pony FTW! :) And if anybody thinks I'm being snotty at Anderson lowers, think again - I'm a happy owner of 3 of 'em. Only problem I've had with any of them turned out not to be a problem with the lower, but the takedown pin that came with the LPK - it was just a titch fat, so it took some extra "oomph" to get it to either seat, or pop out. Not enough to put the rifle out of action, but enough to be annoying when trying to open or close it. Chucking up the pin in my drill-press, spinning it up to 540 or so and touching it lightly with emery cloth a few times cured that problem.
A true Guru AR 15s very impressive I use a wood block that I made for my trigger drop test
Damn that is some gorgeous staking
What is your profession opinion of the Anderson upper and lower 🤔. I used one in one of my builds and was very pleased with them. Fit and finish was nice with the 20 year old lower Delton parts set I found in some of my tucked away parts, lol
What a awesome video! Where did you get all your precision equipment?!?
Let the fuds who say Anderson lowers are out of spec watch this video
Sample of one. I've personally seen an Anderson lower where the bolt release was too far back to lock open any magazine and there is a video on here that shows an Anderson lower where the magwell wasn't machined out and could not accept any magazine what so ever. That seems like very poor qc
@@lioncelica5170 sample of two.... Versus 800k a year
built 4 in the last year. not one issue. It’s a lower. if the holes are the right size and in the right place then the lower is absolutely indistinguishable from any other, except cosmetics and particular preferences.
I've got 2 different Anderson lowers, one of them is their ghost lower with no logo and I guarantee a lot of people wouldn't know it wasn't one of those high-dollar lowers. I've been very pleased with Anderson compared to other lowers I have that were twice the price.
If the buffer goes too far to the back and strikes the gas key and lower receiver a quick fix would be to add quarters at the back inside of the buffer tube before putting in the spring until you have the correct clearance of the gas key to receiver, it’s not a permanent fix but can get you out of a damaging jam!😉
Also a rubber pad to do similar plus reduce strike vibration.
I got 3 Anderson lowers a few years ago built my 300BLKOUT one for my son and this year one for my daughter, no complaints at all they work great. I built them using kits from Daytona Tactical, the uppers are a little sloppy mating to the lowers so I had to use those rubber bumpers. Otherwise they work good.
Can you do some other lowers BCM Aero thanks for all you do on the USE TUBE
An odd phenomenon is when the hammer pin in slightly pushed in an not fully seated the gun becomes full auto. That would be a good video explanation
This channel is going to grow big time.
Ive noted all the go no go guages you use. It would be nice if you could publish a list of their spec. measurements. I mention this becouse for those of us who have full set of machinest pins could use those to spec out some of these holes. Mabey not all, but a few. I've used mine to check pivot and lock pins, and drill bit shanks measured with digital calipers to check trigger pin holes for size. We do what we must with what we have on hand. I'm sure thats not the preferred or sometimes most accurate way but it'll get a person by in a pinch. Mabey?
My staking DOES NOT look like that hahaha! Love your videos.
Me neither, quite ugly but holds "just as good" :)
What brand lower should we stay away from. You mentioned you have seen many fail that magazine insert test.
Man oh man they way you just popped them trigger housing pins in like it was nothing makes me hate myself it took me a long time maybe a hour and a half to get mine installed but for my own defense this was the vary first AR I put together. I also have a stripped Anderson lower.
From the look of the pivot/takedown pins, it’s probably a CMMG lower parts kit. Just an educated guess, but I can be wrong about the individual parts.
I’ll be honest, it looks like the OG Anderson kit, which was just the “Unbranded” kit with enhanced springs.
What a great channel. Why am I just seeing this ?
It would have been nice to see a true mil spec selector in the safety hole, it could be the milspec hole gauge is on the large size (if the safety is milspec), it could be the safety in the lower is milspec... Regardless, it's good to see the Anderson lower pass the test.
Some of these other gun experts on You Tube have extra skill where they can evaluate these receivers and BCGs without needing any of these fancy gauges. They can just hold it up and look at it with their naked eye, and be like umhm yeah that is a great BCG, everything looks perfect or whatever. No gauges needed for these super pros, their eyeballs just know.
The impact mark on the lower receiver could be from the back of a 22lr bolt carrier.
You should do a Aero Precision Gen 2 lower.
I have to know where you get these wonderful toys. You have gauges that check gauges. Where do I find these? Now that I see them, I have to have them.........
Hey, I have one of those! Felt like a good budget option at the time. Sadly I don't have an upper on it yet. Soon ™
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Thank you for using an Anderson lower receiver for this video. Was that a forged or billet lower?
How many rounds has that receiver seen?
When you pulled the trigger the gage was at the top of the trigger. It takes a lot more pressure at the top of the trigger because of the lack of leverage. Honest test would be where your finger would be.
Surprised the poverty pony did so well, would have been curious to see you use some of the other gauges on the pin holes just to see how close it is
Are you sad you overpaid for your lower?
So now you want the professional to double check it lol.
@@madeintexas1213 LOL guess you've not seen the forums dedicated to Anderson. They may be alright now, but they earned the stain on their reputation. And they're no longer the lowest priced, anyway. Cool logo, though.
Most bestest informational AR-15 vids on TH-cam! Thank you for your efforts SOTAR!
So I take it you’re not a fan of grip screws with a set screw to take slack out of trigger? Interested to hear your thoughts.
Good info here. I have to check some things on my AR’s now.
I wish my G2S trigger install went that easily...
Thisnis the one i have been waiting for. These are the cheapest lowers, cant wait to see if it is a GO or NOGO.
Cheap, no, inexpensive yes. You do realize very well-known, hence more costly, lowers are manufactured by the highly regarded Northern Kentucky based manufacturer, Anderson! Right?
Heck yeah Bro. Great video. Wish everyone would see to these details. Carry on👍
Haters think it's at 1.5 speed, but it's actually at 0.75 speed so we mortals can process what Chad is doing.
Yes bro about time you do this one I would love if you could do one on MIDWAY USA complete upper
Yes, my thoughts as well.
I have a trigger and some replacement parts from their AR Stoner line. I think their parts are not spectacular but pretty inline with quality for the price. Potterfield is a decent gunsmith and Midway has good customer service. I also dig Brownells and their 'Smyth Buster' series.
What about the known issue with some Anderson receivers- some BCG hold opens hang up on the rear of the magazine follower and the BCG closes on an empty chamber? A tolerance issue maybe!
BTW- no hate here for Anderson lowers they have worked for me just fine but if you are checking them maybe this potential issue should be part of that check.
Curious if you have done any checks on Odin Works Zulu 2.0 adjustable butt-stock? It has an additional, small spring in their receiver extension. I have one on my AR15 and it works great. It changed the felt recoil just enough to go from good to very good target reacquiring after firing and my ejection is about 3:30-4:00. I rechecked the BCG space as you had in this video just to make sure. Thanks!
I have 2 andersons. One is good dont know the specs but i have had no issues. The other i know for sure the buffer retaining pin hole is out of spec. That one will become BRN 180 host
Where does one find that trigger slave pin? That seemed to make things go incredibly easy.
@@TexasLonghornRanch I think ALG Defense too. I have a CMC now; Those trigger cartridge packs make install soo nice :)
Since ALG is a sister company to Geissele that makes sense they both include them.
I made mine, just cut the center out of a “milspec” pin.
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@ 'vro just don't shoot it much and it won't break'
Have you ever heard of an Anderson lower "breaking"? Ive only ever heard of them being out of spec, the ones that arent seem to last just as long as any other so basically forever...
The Anderson BCG sucked 🤷♂️
Great video. After watching your video, I looked at my lower receiver and noticed that my buffer tube is slightly off. Clocked just a slight amount off, not bent or anything like that. I thought to adjust it, but its only slightly off and doesn't seem to actually matter functional speaking or otherwise. I can't really see why it being off slightly matters. How closely aligned does it have to be? It seems if it is off a little it wouldn't actually matter. Am I wrong? What would be within limits? I served in the Army, I wouldn't be surprised to find a few military rifles slightly off in that regard. Especially considering the way some of the dopes I served with handle things...
Impact mark on the back of the receiver looks like someone closed the upper on top of the lower without the BCG being fully seated in the upper. Looks more like a scrape than an impact mark from the gas key?
Peter Egger having done just that once or twice, I was thinking the same thing. That being said, I now have a new tolerance to check. Now if I can just find 2 quarters
Yep finding two quaters to rub together after paying for ammunition is going to be tough. Might have to use a couple of slugs. No seriously. There is a change shortage on man .
Great content man!!!!! You got a new subscriber. 👍
I notice you didn't check the buffer retainer hole for spec, most likely cause you did take off the buffer tube as per the owner's wishes. My Anderson lower was way off and chewed up my buffer. An Offset Buffer Retainer fixed it. Not sure if you have run into lots of those, but I do have one if you want pictures.
I realize this comment is a couple months old, but have you looked in to the captured-spring buffer systems? I use them on all my builds now, and many of the higher quality ones you don't need a buffer retainer at all, they are a drop in one-piece unit often with an O-ring to make contact with the BCG nice and tight and keep anything from having bounceback. Best part is if you want to try different buffer weight you can just slide them out and slide a different one in without worrying about a pin to bind up on the spring
good video thank you sir.
Or the owner forgot to put the buffer in and pulled the bolt to the rear. That will leave the same marks.
I have a clone complete URG-I upper with the DD m12 gas block.It isn't pinned just dimpled,screwed and marked with paint.Would it be worth it to pin it also?
how was that staking done?
what specific tool?
I have made my own to mimic that but....