This was extremely detailed! cool. Im doing one where i kill dark summoners in scholo atm. Its challenging at time but also makes it quite fun! And yeah this run looks to be quite high risk for high reward
Make sure you get Outfitter mod. It makes this much less painful. I have an outfit for the first pull, which is just boots and carrot. (Even if they enrage I just have the one boot to repair.) Then the birthday outfit for sneaking around in case I get caught. Then a 3k health outfit with green stamina gear which includes carrot for the second pass... The second pass I use a normal Nature Protection Potion (not greater) a few minutes earlier so my health pot is ready in case I take too much poison damage past the bugs. I also created a macro that casts Evasion and the Purple Skeletal Warhorse with the same click, and sticking to the left wall and making a sharp turn into the bug hall does the trick rather than the peasant caller. When I die, which happens about half the time, the res is a minute away and I damage minimal gear. I only ever equip the Normal set when I know i'm safe to fight slugs. Couple additional notes: the range of the slug cloud is pretty small, and is not a poison dot, just take a couple steps away and you'll be safe. The corner in Ayaniss' room where you can't see anything, you may have trouble looting the bugs because you're clicking the weird mask of the terrain. You have to zoom all the way in so you're in first person and get pretty close to the slug to loot in this case. Hope any of this info helps you guys too.
I don't get the 11:20 pull. I've done frame by frame the exact sequence and died about 9 times in a row. The first gladiator gets to and one shots the barovs before I'm even close to the doorway, then they turn aggro on me really quickly. Any tips?
After bitching at him that this doesnt, work...i stand corrected it does. Once I did it once, doing it again was super easy. The 2nd method works best to pull them in a circle, the Barov seems to work ok, just take it slow. Cleared my 1st full run. 6 Larval Acid, 2 Bone Scarabs, 1 Gold Scarab and 2 BOE Greens. Tip. You can also kill the beetles in the earlier part of the run after the 1st skip. They drop keys to the scarab caches, even though they are not on the loot table on wowhead.
There just seems to be so much RNG on getting past the Gladiators. You pull them and they immediately enrage. Dead. I've gone 100% out of LoS and behind the same spot he vanishes on the first skip, I remain in combat and they walk around the block to kill me. Try doing the long pull around the edges (with mount speeds) and once one enrages, they run faster and you're dead. Still have yet to get a successful vanish after the 2nd skip using Barov. Been able to get the first skip consistent now, but second having so much bad luck.
I used Ancient Cornerstone Grimoire to pull the Gladiators and it does work but you have to do a lot of foot work just like you mentioned if the barovs dont aggro initially. Gonna get barov trinket and try to do this more quickly with vanish cd reduction spec like u mentioned again. Thank for the video, definitely took me quite a few tries.
Btw, depending on your race, you might not need the jump, and simply pass through the space between the two walls on the left. Works as UD, guess human, gnomes and dwarfs fit as well.
Not usually one to comment but this video is super helpful. I've honestly spent the better part of 3 hours practicing the pulls and spots and coming back to the video to see where I'm going wrong. I've died probably around 30 times. Don't expect this to be super easy and nail it every time or first time. Make sure you take off your gear until you reach the grubs and just keep trying and have some patience you will get it down eventually :) Good luck on drops!
@@Zatar Its all good, it was my first time so just had to learn the pulls, I might just be terrible! Once I got to the grubs it was plain sailing. Your video was really helpful to go back through each section and try and find what I was doing wrong. Hardest part for me was the Gladiators, especially the second pull, been hit out of vanish a few times but just RNG I suppose. I have way more success with the 2nd strat of the first pull also. Thanks for the vid man
If you get behind line of sight, they should never hit you out of vanish. If the timing lines up the barovs should expire as you are rounding the corner. The main thing to worry about is the gladiators chasing the barovs and seeing you with their stealth detection.
is there a way to get to a blind spot on the 2nd bit as i do not have the trinket yet-like does jumping down to the egg boss work as a los and a vanish?
For the second skip you don't need to unstealth/use mount. Just use sprint and you can make the jump. Depending on your spec it will be off CD before/at the same time as vanish anyway. Saves having to worry too much about the patrol. The second skip is always more problematic for me. They ALWAYS come for me after vanishing/sprinting away.
Found a safe spot that you can use if you get in trouble. Ayamiss' room, as soon as you walk in, turn immediately left and walk up the ledge into a triangular hole. (Sidenote) I've had more success with a nature potion and jumping off the pipe. You also do not need vanish once you hit the water. Stay underwater, wait to drop combat and reset.
If one of the first 2 mobs enrage, you cannot do the skip (save your vanish cd) and you can try to run out of the instance, but you will most likely die. This is why I wear few armor pieces to avoid durability damage. Go sub to Drast. He made a video fo this farm back on the ptr and told me about the first room loop strategy: th-cam.com/channels/UrWoDxHYmDzsl_c49R-drw.html
On the second skip with the peasant caller skip, I do everything you do but when the peasants agro the mob, it stops me from mounting up. Any ideas on why this is happening?
You are too close, and you are pulling before you have time to mount up. This can happen though, and you can still make it. Just make sure the second Gladiator puls before sprinting past and vanishing
Just watched this and got stoked to try it out on my druid - then saw that larval acid on skeram is only 2.5g...... rip hopes and dreams. Great video though! informative and well structured.
Being now onto it for ~10hours. Got my barovs, enchanted the items, and safe to say: up to 2nd skip/3rd gate there is almost no way of dieing, but as soon as i try to do your 2nd skip, it gets extremely inconsistent. I stay exactly like you, but the vanish behind the gate doesnt drop aggro - out of 10 cases i'd say it doesnt drop 9 times, any idea?
@@Zatar Ah fuck i just deleted my message.. Short form again: I tried to copy your movements exactly, i find the correct spot so the barovs pull the gladiator, then the 2nd. The basic problem is, that the gladiator seems being to close to me when i vanish behind the wall - he either chases me or a barov and i simply can't loss on a consistent basis. I will test it today again - i have already 6-7 hours spent on that gate, learned all the patrols and whatnot. My thought process on the gates is as following: 1. When the first gladiator gets pulled AND i wait on spot, not moting, then i have a longer way to the gate. As soon as the 2nd gladiator gets chainpulled, i run to the gate, jump, demount in the air and vanish los as soon as i hit ground. Problem: It seems that after the first gladiator kills a barov peasnt, the 2nd gladiator readjusts his target, and chooses me most of the time - why does he do that? either it is random, or it is because i am the closest target he can pick. --> solution: after the first gladiator gets pulled, i either go closer, so that when the 2nd gets pulled i am closer to the gate and have a better vanish. OR: i wait a little bit longer, so when the first barov is dead, both gladiators take a new barov in target instead of me, leaving me enough room/time to get to the gate properly. Usually 1-2 barovs follow me pretty quickly and i can't manage to get soloely behind the door. 2. female orc? is it maybe a hitbox thing like with mage jumps? had no time yesterday but am gonna for a longer training session again today, trying to record and capture the learning process/mistakes that can happen cheers
Breesty I’m right there with ya some mornings I’ll make it to the farm 3/3 feeling cocky I’ll go live on stream and boom can’t seem to pass the barov skip lol I have noticed it is vital that you sorta jump the corner to los as doing such causes the barov if still alive to sorta of run to catch up with you but as you said it seems that one of them choose the barov while the other chooses me as next target causing them to be just a little bit passed the LOS wall and the catch me only fix to this I have found is if your engineer I’m using my battle chicken as well to buy myself alittle more time but this obviously requires engineering ( can prob use target dummies I just didn’t have any) and doing such if you fail with chicken it’s 30 min CD but yeah so far on my server acids vary in price and some idols are still worth 100g so it’s been worth it regardless of the deaths! Practice makes perfect right?
yo guys, as soon as I do the first skip and pull the gladiators, I pop my vanish at the same spot as Zatar does, but it doesnt work and the see me after vanish... do I need sub spec in order to do this??
Thanks for the guide ! Just for clarification, since it's not a dungeon, once you're done with the grubs, do you go out and ...what ? It's a 20man raid, so you can't reset the instance. Do the grubs respawn ?
this is one of those farms that can get you alot of gold if you get the right drops, also its just some change to the usual farming, i like to mix it up a bit.
Really struggling finding the sweet spot on the 2nd pull where Barov's pulls after I mount. They either don't pull at all or pull before I can mount :(
@@Zatar i think theres a easy way. get into the corner evasion + barov and mount.. then back to the wall original position and the peasents will move aswell and agro them.. super easier! just try and tell me if it works for u
@@EvaaaaxESDRM I kept failing and read your comment and got it 1st try and havent failed since using this method. Also seemed to help by jumping on your mount like zatar around the corner and dismount+vanish at the apex of the jump to kind of wrap yourself around the corner and break LOS so they dont attack through vanish. Thanks!
I am having a bunch of trouble getting my barov peasants to aggro the second gladiator pack, i either stand too far out and aggro them myself or too far to the wall and dont aggro at all, i just cant find the sweet spot. Tried alligning the shoulderpad with the wall as you did in the video. I am lost
Hitbox might be slightly different for non orcs. Try being further away rather than too close. Once on your Mount you can try strafing back and forward to get the barovs to move, only do this if the Gladiators have not aggroed after ~ 10 seconds.
Well I don't know what's going on, but usually what goes wrong is the barroth either pull the Gladiators too fast, in which case you need to back up before summoning them next time. If the gladiators aren't pulling it all, you need to move closer. I really recommend memorizing landmarks to make sure you stand in exactly the same spot every time once you get it. Different races have different hitboxes, so the lineup might not be the exact same that I showed here.
Do you think this would be doable as druid? Replacing the vanish with greater invis pots? Seems like we'd be able to get away with all the stealthy parts of the farm.
So dumb question, how do you reset this farm? If you go in and kill these are you raid ID locked for raid night? If you go in and kill them, how do you respawn the mobs you killed, do they respawn after X minutes, or after you exit and enter again, or once they're gone theyre gone?
after running past the first two mobs and vanishing behind the rock, it never drops combat and they keep following and kill me through stealth. am i doing something wrong? happen to anyone else?
it works just takes a lot of practice i mean its a raid so it will not be a walk in the park is it worth it? depends on the loot drop but a amzing guide tho :)
On which server are you doing this ? I just tried on Amnennar (EU) and it doesn't work. Doing the exact move with my rogue and it do not reset the 2 firsts guards.
On the 1st pull the Gladiators completely ignore my Vanish - Theyll keep chasing me in stealth even though Ive got a sizeable distance lead on them. Am i missing something?
Just found out (by accident) that at the barov skip, there is a reset spot if you go left around the gate and straight into the corner. don't need to use vanish. Just make sure that the flesh hunter is on his way out to the right when you start the pull.
@@EvaaaaxESDRM Not a lie. You do a U-turn around the arch and into the corner, instead of running straight up like in the vid. This corner: imgur.com/a/IgB18U9 Obviously, if you're too slow the mobs will still be in melee range to hit you even when in the corner. You must get there in time so they can't hit you. They'll just stand and watch you untill resetting.
New skip available instead of the jump if you are an undead female you can backpedal into the small gap and then you just walk straight up without unstealthing
Wanted to give an update that worked for me for 2nd Skip. This is info is based on what I read on the WoW Classic Rogue discord but essentially once you get to the 2nd skip spot, if you pop evasion followed by Barov trinket and you see the furthest gladiator start charging you, you can LIP and then sprint. You want to sprint to the mid-way of the gate and pop vanish and get behind the pillar on the other side and this works. Thank you so much Zatar, I really learned a lot from your video as well as @Drast's. I think I died about 27 times before I got the hang of the pathways of the mobs, and how to effectively figure out the 1st and 2nd skip. Will come back here if I run into any other issues!
@@seredas right. So you want to do how Zatar did it. You want to pop evasion then barov and once the furthest glad pulls aggro and starts running at you, you want to pop LIP then sprint. Once you at the midway of the gate pop vanish and get to the other side. That worked for me.
Every time I vanish, it says leaving combat, and a second or two later they're still running me down and kill me. I think this was patched or something.
They will continue chasing in the same direction they have been running for an extra second or so and if they happen to see you that's what goes wrong. That's why you need to change directions as your Vanishing and get behind Los. If something is going wrong you need to be Vanishing sooner than you currently are
So I can now do the 1st skip and the jump in a good fashion. I am trying to master the 2nd skip, I got my barov trinket. I align myself exactly like you do, mount up see I am good, de mount. The issue is I pop evasion then I pop Barov but it instantly pulls aggro before I can mount up and do the run. I am a Night Elf rogue. What could be going wrong here?
You can try and back up so the barov doesn't immediately pool. If the bear off does pool too early you still can make it, just make sure the second Gladiator pulls before you try sprinting past and Vanishing.
@@Zatar thank you- I will try that. for some reason the 1st skip is still hitting me behind the rock when I de mount and pop vanish so I'm trying to fix that as well.
Nr gear is not really going to help, I would just be tanky enough to take one hit from the big guys if you run through and then use your DPS gear when killing the Slugs.
And what do you do about the first mobs enrage? pray? they keep instant enraging on me at least one. Edit: I admit that sounded kinda passive agressive, sorry. I wanna thank you for the video a bunch.
If they enrage you die, you won't be able to ride out of the instance before dying. Just take off most of your gear, don't use your vanish accept the death and come right back and try again.
@@alduinisfakenews2955 Also sometimes when I do the 2nd vanish skip with barov, I do exactly like in the vid, but sometimes (maybe 50% of the time?) they keep chasing the last barov guy who runs after me and then gets me in combat again. Any tips for that?
AQ just opened on my server, this farm is fucking d a n k, thanks for sharing. I do wanna know, do these mobs respawn if you wait long enough, or do you HAVE to reset?
@@Zatar Just got around to checking myself, the oozes and feeders respawn (only takes 1 hour!), importantly the gladiators and wasps DON'T respawn, making this a ludicrously easy farm if you've got a cleared instance.
@@thanks1obama780 he doesnt mention this on purpose to get some quick views with an obvious scuffed farming spot. Cause with bad RNG you just gonna lock yourself out instantly to fish for non vengeance casting gladiators.
This is the enrage I referred to in the video. This is why I get naked, is maybe one in 10 pulls, on the first pack. That is what I'm talking about when I say there's a chance you die on the first pack, but the run back is only 1 minute.
@BananaBread you do not have to reset. The enrage duration will end, and next pull the mob will not be enraged, unless you get really unlucky. Small chance every pull it averages, but no reset is needed if it happens. Go again in 1 minute.
Can sometimes get past the first 2 guards.....making it really hard for some reason. and cant get past the 2nd pack. barov is not agroing them. or if it does, I doint have time to mount, or when im ridding by. mobs turn and smack me. getting frustrating lol
If you're having trouble with the second pack, you can use a limited invulnerability potion to get the Gladiators to attack the barovs instead of you. I don't ever do this, the Strat I showed works for me but that is another option. For the first pack, you just have to practice kiting then in a circle. Once you get it down your 100% you're going to get past them unless one enrages.
@@Zatar Thanks dude. I finally made it past for the first time and got to farming. got a decent amount of stuff but miss pulled in boss room and died. RIP. now is just learning to do it clean. thanks for vid
@@Zatar got the same problem, the 2nd pack sometimes dont aggro barov peasant, or they did, but they still folow me when i vanish, even if i did it correctly (i guess) How do you manage this pull with LIP ? Barov + LIP + Mount ? sprint ? vanish same spot ?
ewww coffer runs D: what professions do you have man? i did coffer runs for ages before i found out about the dme herbalism/chest farm. edit: dme coffer runs arent so bad since you can take a break after 5 so you dont have to run it constantly i guess
I am too lazy to farm (anything) on a regular basis. But I like to try out all kinds of solo farm methods, i would try this just to have a new experience. If I succeed I would probably never do it again. Same with 5 man dungeon solo farming. As a result I am not very rich in game, but I am not doing hardcore raiding so that's no problem.
Rofl look at these salty, triggered people who obviously can't do what zatar is doing. I love all the "this is impossible" when the man is in the video clearly doing what he says. Also all the "thanks for wasting my time" lol I didnt know he was forcing you to try this. Needed to get my daily dose of comedy, the comments section provided that thanks
@@verifonfx4458 can you comment briefly on what portion they fixed it? I'm stuck on the 2nd skip. Got barov and I just got some LIP's. My 22nd try I was able to pop barov and mount but barov vanished and then I got aggro, ran past by and still got hit on vanish. Is there a way to accurately gauge the sight the gladiator's have on me when I run by to the spot to vanish?
You can skip this pack without barrows it's just less consistent and you'll have to use more consumes. Check the TH-cam video Drast made (I pinned his channel in the comments)
You can't make it past if they enrage, but that does not happen too often. If running straight through them is not working for you, try looping in the starting room like I showed for the second strategy. You also need to vanish exactly how I do, the earlier you do it usually the better.
@@Zatar I make it past the first guards very easily now. But I am having trouble with the second guards. I don't know how you're able to mount and peasant caller without canceling your mount. Every time I use my peasant caller It pulls aggro and cancels my mount.
This must have been patched, the gladiators on the first skip have bad RNG.. attempting this today and I've gotten by them twice... they have like a sprint ability and sometimes enrage off the bat and 1 shot you ez. Probably not worth the gold/hr with the major rng now.. guess it's back to DME. Also, if you do get past the first skip, the second skip just isn't working at all.. as soon as the gladiators aggro barovs it will interrupt your mounting.
Probably not. If they didn't patch ZG they won't patch this. You just have to make as much distance as you possibly can so that you're LoSing them when you turn around the cube, then vanish asap. Macro /dismount onto your vanish and spam the button hard right after you turn the corner. Stealth doesn't work on these guys so it will still count as them seeing you if they're too close when you vanish.
I can’t get past the second skip. By the time the second mob aggros the first has killed the peasants and the second switches to me and I can’t safely vanish since he’s on my ass. Tried 15 times.
I died like 9 or 10 times on the first guard cause vanish just don't work on them, and i have darkmantle boots on me. Either this guide is trash, or i'm doing something wrong.
6:30 I found a reset point left of this position. You can jump in the corner with the mount and reset the 2 guards from the beginning there by just running through. This saves vanish and I don't have to wait for the vanish CD for the 2nd. Pull. This saves time and I found it much more reliable that vanishing behind the corner. And if this pull fails when trying to vanish, you also need to wait 5 minutes again to try again. It really saves a lot of time especially if you have problems when doing it first. The only thing you have to keep an eye out is the pats that run on the left side. If its clear it's a cake walk. I made it 100% of the time if I don't die to the first hit of the guards, but having t2 gloves with riding speed is enough stamina to survive one hit with my current naked gear. 7:40 This jump is also possible to do with sprint. It's harder, but you can stay in stealth if you are too afraid of the patrol. But you might not have your sprint ready to make the 2nd pull a little saver.
I'm pretty sure they made some changes to the gladiators.. I vanish, they untarget me, then target me again. Very strange. I didn't try this farm until today.
Can't wait to try this when my gates open. Nice vid man, glad I subscribed 👍🏿
Damn Zatar! You showed up in my recommended dude!!! Grats! NETHERWIND BLOWIN UP!! Gotta advertise my flasks next stream!!!
I love these 1-man raid farm setups.
Good video man, very insightful. Keep up the good work.
now after watching your stream and this vid i have the whole picture thanks man
Good video bro. Nicely explained. Concise and clear. Good job.
This was extremely detailed! cool. Im doing one where i kill dark summoners in scholo atm. Its challenging at time but also makes it quite fun! And yeah this run looks to be quite high risk for high reward
Thank you for this guide!
Make sure you get Outfitter mod. It makes this much less painful. I have an outfit for the first pull, which is just boots and carrot. (Even if they enrage I just have the one boot to repair.) Then the birthday outfit for sneaking around in case I get caught. Then a 3k health outfit with green stamina gear which includes carrot for the second pass... The second pass I use a normal Nature Protection Potion (not greater) a few minutes earlier so my health pot is ready in case I take too much poison damage past the bugs. I also created a macro that casts Evasion and the Purple Skeletal Warhorse with the same click, and sticking to the left wall and making a sharp turn into the bug hall does the trick rather than the peasant caller. When I die, which happens about half the time, the res is a minute away and I damage minimal gear. I only ever equip the Normal set when I know i'm safe to fight slugs. Couple additional notes: the range of the slug cloud is pretty small, and is not a poison dot, just take a couple steps away and you'll be safe. The corner in Ayaniss' room where you can't see anything, you may have trouble looting the bugs because you're clicking the weird mask of the terrain. You have to zoom all the way in so you're in first person and get pretty close to the slug to loot in this case.
Hope any of this info helps you guys too.
I don't get the 11:20 pull. I've done frame by frame the exact sequence and died about 9 times in a row. The first gladiator gets to and one shots the barovs before I'm even close to the doorway, then they turn aggro on me really quickly. Any tips?
After bitching at him that this doesnt, work...i stand corrected it does. Once I did it once, doing it again was super easy. The 2nd method works best to pull them in a circle, the Barov seems to work ok, just take it slow. Cleared my 1st full run. 6 Larval Acid, 2 Bone Scarabs, 1 Gold Scarab and 2 BOE Greens. Tip. You can also kill the beetles in the earlier part of the run after the 1st skip. They drop keys to the scarab caches, even though they are not on the loot table on wowhead.
Of course it works haha we just watched a video of him doing it.
How did you get the Barov vanish to work?
@@TraderSumo You have to go behind line of sight of the enemy then vanish.
@@step2058 Tried that for 8hrs, only got it to work twice.
There just seems to be so much RNG on getting past the Gladiators. You pull them and they immediately enrage. Dead. I've gone 100% out of LoS and behind the same spot he vanishes on the first skip, I remain in combat and they walk around the block to kill me. Try doing the long pull around the edges (with mount speeds) and once one enrages, they run faster and you're dead. Still have yet to get a successful vanish after the 2nd skip using Barov. Been able to get the first skip consistent now, but second having so much bad luck.
I used Ancient Cornerstone Grimoire to pull the Gladiators and it does work but you have to do a lot of foot work just like you mentioned if the barovs dont aggro initially. Gonna get barov trinket and try to do this more quickly with vanish cd reduction spec like u mentioned again. Thank for the video, definitely took me quite a few tries.
awesome video man! thanks
Btw, depending on your race, you might not need the jump, and simply pass through the space between the two walls on the left. Works as UD, guess human, gnomes and dwarfs fit as well.
Not usually one to comment but this video is super helpful. I've honestly spent the better part of 3 hours practicing the pulls and spots and coming back to the video to see where I'm going wrong. I've died probably around 30 times. Don't expect this to be super easy and nail it every time or first time. Make sure you take off your gear until you reach the grubs and just keep trying and have some patience you will get it down eventually :) Good luck on drops!
Sorry to here there was such a learning curve. What is giving you trouble?
@@Zatar Its all good, it was my first time so just had to learn the pulls, I might just be terrible! Once I got to the grubs it was plain sailing. Your video was really helpful to go back through each section and try and find what I was doing wrong. Hardest part for me was the Gladiators, especially the second pull, been hit out of vanish a few times but just RNG I suppose. I have way more success with the 2nd strat of the first pull also. Thanks for the vid man
If you get behind line of sight, they should never hit you out of vanish. If the timing lines up the barovs should expire as you are rounding the corner. The main thing to worry about is the gladiators chasing the barovs and seeing you with their stealth detection.
@@Zatar Nice, I'll keep that in mind tomorrow. Cheers mate!
is there a way to get to a blind spot on the 2nd bit as i do not have the trinket yet-like does jumping down to the egg boss work as a los and a vanish?
For the second skip you don't need to unstealth/use mount. Just use sprint and you can make the jump. Depending on your spec it will be off CD before/at the same time as vanish anyway. Saves having to worry too much about the patrol. The second skip is always more problematic for me. They ALWAYS come for me after vanishing/sprinting away.
20:05 For whenever you cannot move away from a spot, make sure to have at least half of your health bar filled before the mob dies.
Found a safe spot that you can use if you get in trouble. Ayamiss' room, as soon as you walk in, turn immediately left and walk up the ledge into a triangular hole. (Sidenote) I've had more success with a nature potion and jumping off the pipe. You also do not need vanish once you hit the water. Stay underwater, wait to drop combat and reset.
If one of the first 2 mobs enrage, you cannot do the skip (save your vanish cd) and you can try to run out of the instance, but you will most likely die. This is why I wear few armor pieces to avoid durability damage.
Go sub to Drast. He made a video fo this farm back on the ptr and told me about the first room loop strategy: th-cam.com/channels/UrWoDxHYmDzsl_c49R-drw.html
About time.
Sooo...this is ruined now im assuming? Just seem to get smashed as soon as i run over them...without fail every time?
On the second skip with the peasant caller skip, I do everything you do but when the peasants agro the mob, it stops me from mounting up. Any ideas on why this is happening?
You are too close, and you are pulling before you have time to mount up. This can happen though, and you can still make it. Just make sure the second Gladiator puls before sprinting past and vanishing
Just watched this and got stoked to try it out on my druid - then saw that larval acid on skeram is only 2.5g...... rip hopes and dreams. Great video though! informative and well structured.
hey man i cant get passed the second skip. need some help
I saw you passed by some coffers, can i open them for some extra scarabs and idols?
Being now onto it for ~10hours. Got my barovs, enchanted the items, and safe to say: up to 2nd skip/3rd gate there is almost no way of dieing, but as soon as i try to do your 2nd skip, it gets extremely inconsistent. I stay exactly like you, but the vanish behind the gate doesnt drop aggro - out of 10 cases i'd say it doesnt drop 9 times, any idea?
Are the barovs pulling as expected? Are you waiting for the second gladiator to pull before running in? Are you vanishing in Los?
@@Zatar Ah fuck i just deleted my message..
Short form again:
I tried to copy your movements exactly, i find the correct spot so the barovs pull the gladiator, then the 2nd. The basic problem is, that the gladiator seems being to close to me when i vanish behind the wall - he either chases me or a barov and i simply can't loss on a consistent basis.
I will test it today again - i have already 6-7 hours spent on that gate, learned all the patrols and whatnot. My thought process on the gates is as following:
1. When the first gladiator gets pulled AND i wait on spot, not moting, then i have a longer way to the gate. As soon as the 2nd gladiator gets chainpulled, i run to the gate, jump, demount in the air and vanish los as soon as i hit ground.
Problem: It seems that after the first gladiator kills a barov peasnt, the 2nd gladiator readjusts his target, and chooses me most of the time - why does he do that? either it is random, or it is because i am the closest target he can pick.
--> solution: after the first gladiator gets pulled, i either go closer, so that when the 2nd gets pulled i am closer to the gate and have a better vanish.
OR: i wait a little bit longer, so when the first barov is dead, both gladiators take a new barov in target instead of me, leaving me enough room/time to get to the gate properly.
Usually 1-2 barovs follow me pretty quickly and i can't manage to get soloely behind the door.
2. female orc? is it maybe a hitbox thing like with mage jumps?
had no time yesterday but am gonna for a longer training session again today, trying to record and capture the learning process/mistakes that can happen
cheers
Breesty I’m right there with ya some mornings I’ll make it to the farm 3/3 feeling cocky I’ll go live on stream and boom can’t seem to pass the barov skip lol I have noticed it is vital that you sorta jump the corner to los as doing such causes the barov if still alive to sorta of run to catch up with you but as you said it seems that one of them choose the barov while the other chooses me as next target causing them to be just a little bit passed the LOS wall and the catch me only fix to this I have found is if your engineer I’m using my battle chicken as well to buy myself alittle more time but this obviously requires engineering ( can prob use target dummies I just didn’t have any) and doing such if you fail with chicken it’s 30 min CD but yeah so far on my server acids vary in price and some idols are still worth 100g so it’s been worth it regardless of the deaths! Practice makes perfect right?
yo guys, as soon as I do the first skip and pull the gladiators, I pop my vanish at the same spot as Zatar does, but it doesnt work and the see me after vanish... do I need sub spec in order to do this??
Did they enrage? As long as they don't, you should be able to ditch them
Thanks for the guide !
Just for clarification, since it's not a dungeon, once you're done with the grubs, do you go out and ...what ? It's a 20man raid, so you can't reset the instance.
Do the grubs respawn ?
You can reset the instance as long as you haven't killed ayamiss
@@Zatar oh cool thanks
fun fact with mobs with stealth detect it turns from 360 to direction they face when you use distract
Is the pull with the Barov trinket still possible without it? I got rid of my trinket a while back so hoping theres another way to do it?
You will have to use limited invulnerability potions and potentially nature protection potion to run past them.
this is one of those farms that can get you alot of gold if you get the right drops, also its just some change to the usual farming, i like to mix it up a bit.
Whats to the right of your camera?
Really struggling finding the sweet spot on the 2nd pull where Barov's pulls after I mount. They either don't pull at all or pull before I can mount :(
If you pool before you mount, you can still do the skip with Sprint, you just need to wait for the second mob to Agro before sprinting by.
@@Zatar i think theres a easy way. get into the corner evasion + barov and mount.. then back to the wall original position and the peasents will move aswell and agro them.. super easier! just try and tell me if it works for u
@@EvaaaaxESDRM I kept failing and read your comment and got it 1st try and havent failed since using this method. Also seemed to help by jumping on your mount like zatar around the corner and dismount+vanish at the apex of the jump to kind of wrap yourself around the corner and break LOS so they dont attack through vanish. Thanks!
I am having a bunch of trouble getting my barov peasants to aggro the second gladiator pack, i either stand too far out and aggro them myself or too far to the wall and dont aggro at all, i just cant find the sweet spot. Tried alligning the shoulderpad with the wall as you did in the video. I am lost
Hitbox might be slightly different for non orcs. Try being further away rather than too close. Once on your Mount you can try strafing back and forward to get the barovs to move, only do this if the Gladiators have not aggroed after ~ 10 seconds.
@@Zatar i am gnome and will try this, do you reckon it would be useful to bring deviate fish if i have too much trouble?
Usually those do not help, at least they did not work for angerforge.
it is a bit expensive but u can pop a LIP mount and run past them, saw a guy from salad bakers doing it
any tips for the second skip i've done it few time but sometimes i fine i get stuck there?
Well I don't know what's going on, but usually what goes wrong is the barroth either pull the Gladiators too fast, in which case you need to back up before summoning them next time.
If the gladiators aren't pulling it all, you need to move closer.
I really recommend memorizing landmarks to make sure you stand in exactly the same spot every time once you get it. Different races have different hitboxes, so the lineup might not be the exact same that I showed here.
Do you think this would be doable as druid? Replacing the vanish with greater invis pots? Seems like we'd be able to get away with all the stealthy parts of the farm.
No, they see through stealth. you need vanish
So dumb question, how do you reset this farm?
If you go in and kill these are you raid ID locked for raid night?
If you go in and kill them, how do you respawn the mobs you killed, do they respawn after X minutes, or after you exit and enter again, or once they're gone theyre gone?
You can reset it like a normal dungeon, but you can't be saved to the instance to do the farm
Do the larvae pull the bugs and scorpions around them? Some of them are all bunched up.
They don't, just make sure not to face pull any scorpions
after running past the first two mobs and vanishing behind the rock, it never drops combat and they keep following and kill me through stealth. am i doing something wrong? happen to anyone else?
You need to vanish behind a rock like I do in the video. These guys can see through stealth do you have to los them
it works just takes a lot of practice i mean its a raid so it will not be a walk in the park is it worth it? depends on the loot drop but a amzing guide tho :)
On which server are you doing this ? I just tried on Amnennar (EU) and it doesn't work. Doing the exact move with my rogue and it do not reset the 2 firsts guards.
You have to vanish behind line of sight like I do.
@@Zatar Tried again. It work.
I gave up on this farm a while ago because of my inability to reach the farm
Is that second skip possible without barov?
Any1 care to share the target and marking macros?
On the 1st pull the Gladiators completely ignore my Vanish - Theyll keep chasing me in stealth even though Ive got a sizeable distance lead on them. Am i missing something?
You need to get behind line of sight. They can see stealth.
You have to get out of LoS of them around the rock. If you're LoS when you vanish they reset, if they can still see you they'll see through vanish.
can you do the second skip with masterwork target dummy instead of barov bell?
or normal target dummy
Just found out (by accident) that at the barov skip, there is a reset spot if you go left around the gate and straight into the corner. don't need to use vanish. Just make sure that the flesh hunter is on his way out to the right when you start the pull.
can anyone else confirm that?
just try it and its a lie
@@EvaaaaxESDRM Not a lie. You do a U-turn around the arch and into the corner, instead of running straight up like in the vid.
This corner: imgur.com/a/IgB18U9
Obviously, if you're too slow the mobs will still be in melee range to hit you even when in the corner. You must get there in time so they can't hit you. They'll just stand and watch you untill resetting.
New skip available instead of the jump if you are an undead female you can backpedal into the small gap and then you just walk straight up without unstealthing
Wanted to give an update that worked for me for 2nd Skip. This is info is based on what I read on the WoW Classic Rogue discord but essentially once you get to the 2nd skip spot, if you pop evasion followed by Barov trinket and you see the furthest gladiator start charging you, you can LIP and then sprint. You want to sprint to the mid-way of the gate and pop vanish and get behind the pillar on the other side and this works. Thank you so much Zatar, I really learned a lot from your video as well as @Drast's. I think I died about 27 times before I got the hang of the pathways of the mobs, and how to effectively figure out the 1st and 2nd skip. Will come back here if I run into any other issues!
which side of the gate? left or right? on the right side (like zatar in the video) they detect me in stealth slmost instantly
@@seredas right. So you want to do how Zatar did it. You want to pop evasion then barov and once the furthest glad pulls aggro and starts running at you, you want to pop LIP then sprint. Once you at the midway of the gate pop vanish and get to the other side. That worked for me.
does it have to be a peasant caller i have the grimoire from ony will that work as well?
Peasant collar is better because it has three bodies and they do move around more helping you aggro
I dont get how you get past the first 2 mobs, everytime, I'm just 1 shot by them - evasion or not.
Every time I vanish, it says leaving combat, and a second or two later they're still running me down and kill me. I think this was patched or something.
You have to vanish behind Los.
To avoid first 2 I showed 2 methods, but if they enrage you can still die.
@@Zatar I did it exactly like you did a dozen times. Leaving combat, then entering combat, im sprinting even, they run me down.
They will continue chasing in the same direction they have been running for an extra second or so and if they happen to see you that's what goes wrong. That's why you need to change directions as your Vanishing and get behind Los. If something is going wrong you need to be Vanishing sooner than you currently are
So I can now do the 1st skip and the jump in a good fashion. I am trying to master the 2nd skip, I got my barov trinket. I align myself exactly like you do, mount up see I am good, de mount. The issue is I pop evasion then I pop Barov but it instantly pulls aggro before I can mount up and do the run. I am a Night Elf rogue. What could be going wrong here?
You can try and back up so the barov doesn't immediately pool. If the bear off does pool too early you still can make it, just make sure the second Gladiator pulls before you try sprinting past and Vanishing.
@@Zatar thank you- I will try that. for some reason the 1st skip is still hitting me behind the rock when I de mount and pop vanish so I'm trying to fix that as well.
larval acid is 14 to 20gold in my server, this farm is amazing dude, please upload more rogue gold farm
How are you getting the vanish to work properly on the last skip?
larval acid? they dropped exclusively idols/scarabs or nothing for me. maybe i did something wrong with loot rules
do the grubs respawn?
would it be helpful to wear nature resist/T1 gear for this + stealth boots
Nr gear is not really going to help, I would just be tanky enough to take one hit from the big guys if you run through and then use your DPS gear when killing the Slugs.
@@Zatar kk is this still a viable farm today? My server is selling them 15g each but there are not much in the AH
Larval acid can still sell but everything else is worthless. Larval acid usually sells pretty slow too. I would not recommend it anymore.
Pro tip: wear darkmantle boots and if you have movement speed incrase on them like me you will be harder to see in stealth and move a little faster.
And what do you do about the first mobs enrage? pray? they keep instant enraging on me at least one.
Edit: I admit that sounded kinda passive agressive, sorry. I wanna thank you for the video a bunch.
If they enrage you die, you won't be able to ride out of the instance before dying. Just take off most of your gear, don't use your vanish accept the death and come right back and try again.
just make smart use of corners u can still outrun enraged ones
@@alduinisfakenews2955 Also sometimes when I do the 2nd vanish skip with barov, I do exactly like in the vid, but sometimes (maybe 50% of the time?) they keep chasing the last barov guy who runs after me and then gets me in combat again. Any tips for that?
Did it first try without wipes thx )
any tips on second skip without peasant caller? keep dying after i vanish
Having the exact same problem.
what about larva's respawn time? can any1 tell me? i just did an aq20 am still inside cleared all larvas
If you killed ayamiss, you can't do this farm
this was good info :>
does this still work?
If i'm a herbalist and alchemist how much gold am I losing out on for not being an enchanter.
Literally nothing. Nothing is bind on pickup, so you can disenchant items on another character if you want.
tbh i get instakilled everytime if i try to run straigth through . i think i got 30-40 attempts and get just 1 time lucky with evasion
AQ just opened on my server, this farm is fucking d a n k, thanks for sharing.
I do wanna know, do these mobs respawn if you wait long enough, or do you HAVE to reset?
I think you have to reset, not certain
@@Zatar Just got around to checking myself, the oozes and feeders respawn (only takes 1 hour!), importantly the gladiators and wasps DON'T respawn, making this a ludicrously easy farm if you've got a cleared instance.
Does it give you rep for cenario?
No
hmm, when i tryed to do this, guards instantly use enrage and kill in both variants of first skip, what am i doing wrong :D
There's a there's a low chance the mob enrages. Just have to try again can't get past them if they enrage
@@Zatar yes ,i tryed a lot,ty.
my success become with circle run tactic , now i,m learning second skip
every time I try to do 2nd skip, gladiators kill me after barovs, even when I vanish and sprint just like you... RIP, guess im done
can the jump at 7:45 be done by a gnome?
Should be able to, it's a really easy jump to hit, but I have no way of testing myself.
sorry, one more question: do the feeders respawn in a cleared instance?
mobs in my ID instantly cast vengeance increasing their size + speed. how come yours at first skip dont.
Ya, mine are fucked too
@@thanks1obama780 he doesnt mention this on purpose to get some quick views with an obvious scuffed farming spot. Cause with bad RNG you just gonna lock yourself out instantly to fish for non vengeance casting gladiators.
This is the enrage I referred to in the video. This is why I get naked, is maybe one in 10 pulls, on the first pack. That is what I'm talking about when I say there's a chance you die on the first pack, but the run back is only 1 minute.
@BananaBread you do not have to reset. The enrage duration will end, and next pull the mob will not be enraged, unless you get really unlucky.
Small chance every pull it averages, but no reset is needed if it happens. Go again in 1 minute.
yep same problem
Got wrecked by first mobs that "arent supposed to hit you" my ass, this shit got patched, they hit immediately.
do they respawn after killing them? I killed them all but they didnt respawn after 10 minuts of waiting.
You have to reset
Someone told me the mobs respawn after 1 hour if ayamiss is alive
Zatar oke thank you i will try that 💪. Great guide buy the way! Thank you.
Can sometimes get past the first 2 guards.....making it really hard for some reason. and cant get past the 2nd pack. barov is not agroing them. or if it does, I doint have time to mount, or when im ridding by. mobs turn and smack me. getting frustrating lol
If you're having trouble with the second pack, you can use a limited invulnerability potion to get the Gladiators to attack the barovs instead of you. I don't ever do this, the Strat I showed works for me but that is another option.
For the first pack, you just have to practice kiting then in a circle. Once you get it down your 100% you're going to get past them unless one enrages.
@@Zatar Thanks dude. I finally made it past for the first time and got to farming. got a decent amount of stuff but miss pulled in boss room and died. RIP. now is just learning to do it clean. thanks for vid
@@Zatar got the same problem, the 2nd pack sometimes dont aggro barov peasant, or they did, but they still folow me when i vanish, even if i did it correctly (i guess)
How do you manage this pull with LIP ? Barov + LIP + Mount ? sprint ? vanish same spot ?
Wanted to try this but the guys at the first door enraged on me 5 times in a row. Guess I'm sticking to BRD coffer runs.
ewww coffer runs D: what professions do you have man? i did coffer runs for ages before i found out about the dme herbalism/chest farm. edit: dme coffer runs arent so bad since you can take a break after 5 so you dont have to run it constantly i guess
did they patch this?
I hate gimmicky farms. If you don’t do it perfectly you waste your time. I’ll stick to my mindless no risk 70 gold per hour farm. Thanks for posting.
I am too lazy to farm (anything) on a regular basis. But I like to try out all kinds of solo farm methods, i would try this just to have a new experience. If I succeed I would probably never do it again. Same with 5 man dungeon solo farming. As a result I am not very rich in game, but I am not doing hardcore raiding so that's no problem.
do you get rep for kill them?
No
Might i be able to do this without an epic mount? I'm fresh 60 :X
Actually tried, you can't
@@Zatar damn, well thanks for the answer :
Do the grubs give CC rep?
No
Rofl look at these salty, triggered people who obviously can't do what zatar is doing.
I love all the "this is impossible" when the man is in the video clearly doing what he says. Also all the "thanks for wasting my time" lol I didnt know he was forcing you to try this.
Needed to get my daily dose of comedy, the comments section provided that thanks
but they are right, they fixed it ..
@@verifonfx4458 can you comment briefly on what portion they fixed it? I'm stuck on the 2nd skip. Got barov and I just got some LIP's. My 22nd try I was able to pop barov and mount but barov vanished and then I got aggro, ran past by and still got hit on vanish. Is there a way to accurately gauge the sight the gladiator's have on me when I run by to the spot to vanish?
Sold my barovs a long time ago. Am I screwed for this farm
You can skip this pack without barrows it's just less consistent and you'll have to use more consumes. Check the TH-cam video Drast made (I pinned his channel in the comments)
why the hell would you sell barov of all. I did sell my carrot on a stick tho :P
Guys Great tip here:
- : Always keep Darkmoon card: Twisting Nether equiped: gives wearer a 10% chance to resurrect
not too sure if i wanna perma lock myself out of 1 trinket for a 1/10 chance of skipping repair bills and corpse run lmao
Just for walking you are absolutely right you can save so much time
@@Frog89mad you don't, you just use it when you're running there. What other trinket would you be running? Stopwatch and ?
@@Shirahoshan oh yeah, i was just reading/commenting on the run. didint really think it deeper :D
im on incendius and i cant get past the first room
Did you try both strategies I showed in the video? Do you have a 100% speed mount?
You can't make it past if they enrage, but that does not happen too often. If running straight through them is not working for you, try looping in the starting room like I showed for the second strategy. You also need to vanish exactly how I do, the earlier you do it usually the better.
Except for enrage, I can skip this pack 100% of the time with practice.
First Kag
is this fixed? when i vanish they still chase me :O
Same here!! I’ve died like 5 times now
Have to vanish behind the rock like I do, so they don't chase and see you. Vanish behind Los
@@Zatar thank you
Can you do this if youre locked already?
No
How do you vanish a mob with truesight?
You must run behind line of sight
@@crimsonautumnsun They are gouge immume.... and blind immume. so please dont spread misinformation
Rogue bis:)
Possible with 58 to Farm and level?
Farm is not nearly as valuable going into tbc. I would not recommend it.
@@Zatar thanks mate!
over on my server the alliance are only like 50% done on the War effort and horde is like 85%
are you on Grobbulus?
@@step2058 nah Yojamba OCE haha
@@Super_Burrito Our servers need to hurry the fuck up. We have Sweaty Lords colluding and delaying the opening.
Stefan Sample apparently the alliance on my server are just being dicks and refusing to do it
Is this patched? How come I don't see any bugs whenever I reset?
You cannot do this on a cleared ID
@@Zatar I make it past the first guards very easily now. But I am having trouble with the second guards. I don't know how you're able to mount and peasant caller without canceling your mount. Every time I use my peasant caller It pulls aggro and cancels my mount.
This must have been patched, the gladiators on the first skip have bad RNG.. attempting this today and I've gotten by them twice... they have like a sprint ability and sometimes enrage off the bat and 1 shot you ez. Probably not worth the gold/hr with the major rng now.. guess it's back to DME.
Also, if you do get past the first skip, the second skip just isn't working at all.. as soon as the gladiators aggro barovs it will interrupt your mounting.
Was this patched? Been trying to get past the first gladiators for about 45minutes now and they chase me through everything
Probably not. If they didn't patch ZG they won't patch this. You just have to make as much distance as you possibly can so that you're LoSing them when you turn around the cube, then vanish asap. Macro /dismount onto your vanish and spam the button hard right after you turn the corner. Stealth doesn't work on these guys so it will still count as them seeing you if they're too close when you vanish.
I can’t get past the second skip. By the time the second mob aggros the first has killed the peasants and the second switches to me and I can’t safely vanish since he’s on my ass. Tried 15 times.
if you get behind Los you can vanish even with the second one chasing you
@@Zatar he’s right on me the whole time
I died like 9 or 10 times on the first guard cause vanish just don't work on them, and i have darkmantle boots on me. Either this guide is trash, or i'm doing something wrong.
You have to vanish behind Los.
Can it be done in cleared ID?
No, Ayamiss must be alive
@@Zatar Awww, shit, thanks for the answer good guide keep it up!
6:30 I found a reset point left of this position. You can jump in the corner with the mount and reset the 2 guards from the beginning there by just running through. This saves vanish and I don't have to wait for the vanish CD for the 2nd. Pull. This saves time and I found it much more reliable that vanishing behind the corner. And if this pull fails when trying to vanish, you also need to wait 5 minutes again to try again. It really saves a lot of time especially if you have problems when doing it first.
The only thing you have to keep an eye out is the pats that run on the left side. If its clear it's a cake walk. I made it 100% of the time if I don't die to the first hit of the guards, but having t2 gloves with riding speed is enough stamina to survive one hit with my current naked gear.
7:40 This jump is also possible to do with sprint. It's harder, but you can stay in stealth if you are too afraid of the patrol. But you might not have your sprint ready to make the 2nd pull a little saver.
Damn Larval Acid on my server is 25g a piece but our gates aren't open yet
You can get larval acid from groubs in eastern plaguelands
@@gautiz268 yup, I farm them while I wait for ppl to show up for strat runs lol
I'm pretty sure they made some changes to the gladiators.. I vanish, they untarget me, then target me again. Very strange. I didn't try this farm until today.
You have to vanish behind line of sight like I do in the video. Vanish behind the rock.
Zatar thanks! Got the same tip on discord, too. Must have missed that detail in your video.
@@Zatar Yup! It worked :)