The Bottom Line Should be South Africans First in all Fields which Can be filled Locally. A Foreign National has The option of Going back to his Country.A South African has no where to go.
@ Lerumo Newman The South African during the struggle had an option of "coming back to South Africa" which the locals where we were in our huge numbers did not have. They had no where to go while we were in their countries with their Governments supporting our struggle at huge financial expense and in some cases loss of life
@Ezekiel Boikhutso It is not an issue of owing anyone anything. We just need to realise that the argument that we have no where else to go, though true, was also true of the people in the countries where we were during the struggle.
@@martinnyirenda2525 "we were" it wasn't even close to a hundred thousand south Africans in exile, why should we have millions of illegal immigrants with nothing to give?
@@nnn8502 You raise two matters and I will respond to both. First, how do you arrive at such numbers? There are no official stats available, at least i have not seen them, that tabulate how many went into exile. Wish the powers that be can publish such numbers officially. While some went to join the struggle as MK'S, there were others that went as "economic refugees", not necessarily to fight but also to seek greener pastures. There were a number of families in that state in the town we lived. Second, the numbers of illegal immigrants. This is also a difficult statistic. It is probably a number that includes legals as well as illegals. We will know, hopefully, after the current census the numbers of foreigners. Hope the Stats SA can publish the numbers of both legals and illegals separately. We are only going to resolve the illegal crisis if people in positions of authority stop looking for "skaftin". As long as we have such individuals who want to personally benefit from their positions, we will live with this problem for a very long time. So we need to have people who have a national interest in positions of power. Another thing we need to do is regulate certain sectors of the economy as "Citizens Only" sectors. All business opportunities that do not need a lot of capital to start- SPAZA, Hair Saloon, Barbe Shop, House Keepers, Pre-School Teachers, MUST be "Citizens Only". No Foreigner, Legal or Illegal, should be allowed to operate in these sectors. Foreign Business people MUST bring money to Invest so that employment can be created for Locals. All these foreigners running Spaza shops, if legally here, must be given an ultimatum to convert their licences into a General Dealer or a Mini Supermarket or whatever licence exists. If not converted, the licence must be cancelled and the traders deported if non compliant. We need our people in authority just to enforce the law and stop looking for "skaftin". The other challenge we will face will be the numbers of foreigners once the Africa Free Trade policy becomes fully operational. By the way, we have already signed it. They are just working out the logistics of how it will function to the benefit of ALL African countries. Last time i checked, of the 54 countries in Africa, 53 had agreed and signed. Only Eritrea was still to sign up. South Africa is also one of the countries that has ratified it. We have signed up and ratified it. This will allow Africans to live and work in any African Country. So we will have more fellow Africans in South Africa then. So we need to begin to make peace with the fact that Africans are OUR PEOPLE. We just need a proper policy on illegals, African or non African. Our systems are porous and need a complete overhaul.
South Africa has smart people that are capable of working anywhere around the world please stop this false narrative of saying South Africans have nowhere to go...it's very demeaning
@ Babalwa Ndamase Well, we have South Africans working in neighbouring countries as well especially in the mines. Should we bring them back so that their jobs can be taken up by locals in those countries? Will we be able to guarantee them a job once we bring them back?
@@xpressivemusic4578 Well you answered one question only.....Should we bring them back but you have not attempted to deal with the second question ......Can we guarantee them a job? On expertise, they are probably in other countries because their expertise are still needed
@@martinnyirenda2525 you are a fool those South African work for south African companies they already have jobs here they are sent out to start operations and transfer skills to the locals then they are back. I'm talking specifically about those operating on the continent
@@mannetjie3248 they are actually cheating the tax man. A business that employs illegal immigrants is unlikely to pay UIF contributions nor disclose its full staff compliment. I would even venture that a business willing to flout the law by employing illegal migrants is probably also under-declaring it’s taxable income or evading tax as a whole.
@ Katlego Mahlatse True. It should not exist within SA but unfortunately it does. The problem is ourselves. We love the Skaftin and the brown envelope. Our officials look the other side when they receive the "Skaftin"or a nice brown envelope.
lest we also forget that the undocumented immigrants in the country that have worked here for years were subjected to taxes at their places of employment that they failed to get UIF for. That money was pocketed by someone whom it was not due to but the immigrants did not protest and simply chose to carry on because of gratitude for having a job in the first place. Its a choice made to be overworked & underpaid
First of all they have violated SA laws by being there, by working there illegally, they have no legal recourse. Those officials who got them here illegally PLUS those employers must get heavy sentences, and a prison term
As long as Africa as a whole does not address the issue of cheap imports, jobs will diminish faster than we can imagine. Why do we now import almost everything?
I suspect the ANC thought they would destroy the 'white economy' by encouraging imports of everything...it turned out to be very shortsighted, I fear...
💯 agreed, the root cause is cheap a imports coming from China. The local business like furniture and textile business, and metals industry have cram led because of open border business from China.
@ Addington Mabuto Well we import everything because we do not have truly and practically skilled Engineers. Our Engineers are Theorists, very good at explaining it theoretically but no good at making it. Have you realised that we even import toothpicks? Where are our so called "Engineers" who cannot even manufacture a tea spoon.
It's not about skills! It's about pay cheap labour with no UIF or worries of CCMA. Businesses pocket big profits while many of our own is suffering, these foreigners is taking our money abroad and they lifestyle are that of a millionaire. No It's time to do something about this.
The government should rather limit issuing visas to Chinese who are taking over all the shops in South Africa and encourage locals to take over. The system of education whereby learners who hate schooling are pushed or force to go to school but failed in grade 12 becoming aimless on street. Instead could have encouraged to learn skills training and better their lives.
@ Teacher Fosu TV There is a stigma associated with Skills training in this country. If you DID NOT go to University, you are not as respected. That mindset has to change FIRST. Apart from that, are you aware that most courses in FET have become THEORY? Though there are existing workshops, learners rarely do any practicals at all. So what skills will they learn in a Theoretical course that is supposed to be practical? I would not be suprised if Lecturers use those workshops as Private Businesses over the weekends? Let us FIRST change what is Existing. Make Skills training in FET a PRACTICAL COURSE.
@@martinnyirenda2525 Thabo Mbeki is the one who abolished colleges where practicals and theory was taught throughout the course ... These institutions must come back...
@@Coco-kw3iv This MUST be priority number 1. It must happen immediately. It will solve a lot of skills problems. A lot of Zimbabweans do these skills either as jobs or backyard businesses while we are busy fighting for jobs in offices where we wear ties and get paid peanuts
@@martinnyirenda2525 that's true. I heard there is a proposal of reinstating but you know...we have to push this ourselves. It was the biggest blunder... The other "skilled" group must go home and operate there in the meanwhile...
#Put South Africans first Employ, Empower Strictly Citizens Critical skills to be considered by the high department of Education Let's fix the Damage Let's fix South Africa Thank you Herman Mashaba Action SA...
South Africans have always worked during apartheid without any help from foreigners, who are now claiming to be hard workers in SA. Work hard in your country. South Africa have survived before and will survive without lying lips of people who are full of envy for South Africa. South Africa needs to focus on refugees not on people leaving that country because of greed.
Do your research well as foreigners have build South Africa even during apartheid era mst mines workers were foreigners whose pensions which runs into Bilions of Rands which have not been claimed by unaware beneficiaries all those funds are developing South Africa. Lake of knowledge is a big problem most of those people on the forefront of fighting the so called illegal immigrants are dull criminals taking advantage of the situation by robbing and stealing from the same foreigners. To be honest with South Africa people what's happening to so called illegal immigrants will haunt the country of South Africa soon.
Botswana and Nigeria have made pronouncements unapologetically regarding immigrants in their country. They have put their citizens first and South Africa should take the lesson and move.
Which Nigeria and when? South Africans in Nigeria are living like citizens occupying high paying jobs without any disturbance from citizens or govt. Pls delete that statement its not true.
@@Eazi179 High paying jobs are due to scare skills labour like anywhere even in South Africa we have Medical researchers who come from different part of the continent, its the low paying jobs that are a bone of contention.
@@isoboy1000 scarce skills in Nigeria??? Lol...u r not serious. Our problem is not scarce skills but over qualified skills 👌 Bring one South African skilled with a degree on any top job I will give you 100 Nigerians with two two masters for that same job, Yet we allow them work as bosses over people who are better qualified than them. Don't even start pls! We ignore these things because we perfectly understand the South African situation.
I propose a private members/citizens bill that says in times of a developing crisis (eg Where unemployment reaches 35% or where debt to GDP reaches 20% or where an anomaly is detected eg the country's loan is raised by any dept other than Treasury as the Dept of Health has recently done) national elections must be held within 12 months of the submission of a private members/citizens bill/concern about any of aforementioned examples. I submit.
@@martinnyirenda2525 I recently learnt that it is available for parliamentarians, maybe a little research ...which I havent done yet can bring more clarity . I'd appreciate your findings should you decide to pursue this thanks.
@@thembantshingila2592 We need this to be available to ordinary citizens. These guys are no longer representing our views and we need to raise our own voices. i guess it is worth venturing into such a research
If it was not for organisations like Dudula standing up for poor unemployed people of SouthAfrica ,nothing at all would come out from labour department ,they acting now because they see they failed to do their job ,southafricans have suffered a lot where an employer tell you straight that southafricans are expensive to pay and foreigners are cheap so the expensive one who abides and paid according to labour rates must loose a job and some employers are foreigners but legally here and entertaining their friendship with their foreign fellows here in our country they hire them instead of SouthAfricans not only at restaurants check every where even in butcheries we see them ---concerned people on the ground ,l think labour department must work and work seriously not just talk and maybe talk act please it's been long ,and southafricans deserves all the jobs and critical ones ,they must be skilled to do the jobs
They mustn't be anybody talking about being refugees in Africa because there are no wars & if we do see people claiming that status we should send them packing
SALONS, CLOTHES MAKING, SPAZA SHOPS should be reserved for South africans stop toying with us those are not scarce skills .. to have thousands of foreign salon owners in the country is a joke really
When they opened these small scale biznesses where were South Africans?They arw even employing and teaching you guys,I m sure most will go and we will see how its gonna be
Here's the analogy which in my opinion describes the South African government's policy towards immigration in general. The government's policy has been to allow an influx of immigrants into South Africa through its legally designated entry points as well as its porous borders, much like a "Zola Budd" Taxi driver who for the sake of money decides to overload his Taxi. Then when the Taxi begins to strain in the middle of nowhere in the journey due to its load, the Taxi driver (knowing well, the consequences of his statement that they might start quarrels and fights from the passengers), decides to rudely inform his passengers to alight and choose between enduring the discomforts of the taxi ride for the rest of the journey or finding their way back to where he picked them from. That's unfortunately the headache that the proverbial Taxi driver is sitting with at the Union Buildings.
So the govt of thieves prioritises complying with international protocols over our constitution at the expense of South Africans...... fancy stealing our rights while stealing our money as well.
60%40% foreign to locals when countries unemployment is 35%. What is this government smoking?Therefore we have so many foreign SMMES and foreign recruitment. Fix the government, and this problem will be fixed.
The problem is millions of illegal foreigners. Any country would wobble under the strain. Why do you think the Americans are shouting at each other? Too much illegal border crossing over there as well.
My point bring back the old guard,our new b.e.e has destroyed this country,they wrapped in cotton wool,and freaking lazy,the foreigners are the true hard workers
Wich foreigners are you talking about? Chinises, Bangladesh, Pakistanes, Britain's, Americans etc... or your blacks Africans brothers. I"m sorry to tell you that you don't know what you are doing, You just want to pleasure your people by taking unnecessary steps. The big problemes first is corruption. A chinise with money if he come to South Africa today and by tomorrow is buying an South African Id then what are you saying about that. Take easy with your African brother than being arrogant
If South Africa was run well, we wouldn't need this Laws at all because there was going to be jobs everywhere especially in Infrastructure and Tourism, we need to build this Country but the money is being eaten by Corrupt ANC, Service delivery was going to be another thing to create jobs in this Country. That is why the DA is so quiet when it comes to all this Because they know the root of the problem
I fully agree with this man's observation! We must be like the USA under Trump which he was the best president that had stand for America first and that has work for 4 years. He brought back jobs from China and Mexico. People had jobs and illegal immigrants fled in 11 millions back to their countries making way for jobs to be opened and filled. I fully support this idea. Look at every provinces where our own has to beg on the streets. Government can't pay for SASSA if they bearly don't have money to give. Yes it's time to make South Africa first and with no violence. Give them 3 months to go back before army force them back by law and not violence.
We cannot be employing 40% of foreigners in a country where the is 1% of foreigners, it's clear the is no fairness, the limit should be 1% foreigners per company
I would have agreed with you but your logic is too dumb. If you paid a bit more attention in your math literacy class in school you would have been a little bit smarter today
This is the ANCs response to the rise of Action SA and it's loss of power in Tshwane and Joburg metros. Mashaba has been the biggest winner of elections. Now there are 4%of foreigners by population in SA according to Numsa and yet the unemployment rate is at 46%. Now even if every single foreigner was removed from SA the unemployment numbers would still be very high. Secondly , how is it that the jobs of locals are being taken when most foreigners at a low skill level as self employed or on short contracts e.g barber shops and hair dressers in JHB are doing it themselves, spaza owners are also self employed . If locals wanted to do this there is nothing that stops them because they have more local support in terms of financing than foreigners do. Thirdly the reason any foreigner will always do well is because they come with an unmatched level of ambition and work ethic that locals ado not possess. If even a poor South African found themselves in New York it would not come as a surprise to see them doing really well and cause a stir amongst a more complacent contingent of New Yorkers. It's just how it is when you are foreign, you see opportunities where others don't. This is what made America into the hard working country it is, it's because it's a nation if immigrants. Now the ANC unfortunately knows better and is seeking to do whatever it can to cling to power, is it not suspect that right after the election in November last year debate was being had about the Zim visa being issued?It's because they lost ground and Action SA became King maker. Whenever the ANC doesn't do well it seems to adopt the policies of other parties and make them their own like they did with the EFF on land....and failed. People must not be fooled. These are signs that the government knows that it cannot grow the economy and it is scapegoating foreign nationals. There is no doubt that some foreigners are engaged in crime and border jumping, but a functional government would easily deal with this by for example ensuring there is in fact a border fence ( but we know how the fence looks🤦🏾♂️) and border management. If SAPS were themselves doing their jobs and not extorting foreigners for money themselves and taking bribes maybe , just maybe the levels of crimes in some areas perpetrated by a few foreigners would be lower. The govt just needs to do its job. Give visas to high skilled people because it's the right thing and it will help the economy and yes , ensure strict border management and no border jumping as it is the lowest skilled workers who would do such and have nothing to lose even if they got a criminal record. The AnC is corrupt and failing to do its job of leading society and the conversation is being taken over by new parties. The ANC is refusing to reform itself and instead is attacking its own Constitution and the judiciary unfairly for its own failings to manage the country. Poor South Africans must also wake up to the idea of living in other countries like Zimbabwe, Angola, Zambia and even Ghana and it will give them a profound sense of hope as they will see opportunities in those countries and it may also inspire them to see that they have it pretty nice when compared to other African countries. Vuka uzenzele African child.
Yes, I cannot agree more! Blaming foreigners for the SA government's inability to do human resource development and creating conducive conditions for economic and employment growth is just so lazy! Labour market competition always boosts productivity and growth. Immigrant-friendly nations always prosper!
@@katlegomoatshe1312 I find it shocking that a South African would admit that competing in the informal sector, where one needs the minimum of skill, is also a bridge too far for South Africans, really now...
South Africans must leave and work in other African countries ???? Do you reason well or you are just typing??? South Africa is not like other countries in Africa and that you understand it very well that is why you yourself you can't go back to Zim and talk against Zim government you will be tracked and tortured but it is easy for you to talk about ANC cause you know nothing will happen. Look I'm giving you an advise as a South African mobilize all Zimbabweans to go back home and fight Zim government and leave South Africa for South Africans and by saying Foreigners are taking our jobs that won't change we are fixing the our country our own way we don't need Zim citizens intervention.
I think foreigners with papers is fine, but things have definitely changed, I was going for a job interview at a restaurant and this Chinese owner told me the law has changed since COVID. People not getting an hourly rate anymore. But 2% of they sales for the month…imagine. But then he asked me if I am a South - African I said yes. I have 11 years of experience plus management. He never phoned me back and I even lived 10 minutes away. I am sure he took a foreign person, because most of the time foreigners in restaurants will work more hours for less money. And I know the law working in the hospitality industry for so Long… I saw all this stuff happen. Most of the time the problem is with the owners of the shops as well, they want to see where they can save money.
@ Dikeledi Jane What is a scarce skill? I lived and worked in Botswana for about 10 years. It was a deliberate policy in Botswana that when a Foreigner is employed, a local is attached to the Foreigner as an understudy, almost like the Foreigner has to pass on the skills to the local. Maybe we need such a policy here. i know it may not work in all sectors but in practical fields, this is a necessity
😂 😂 😂 😂 Do we have labour inspector in South Africa, this country is a joke. 15years as a employee never I have heard abt labour inspectors, people are getting paid every month for doing nothing. This would have been stopped from the start
Keep saying that South Africans are hiring foreigners to pay them less, but you know the real reason why!!!!! Everyone that employs a foreigner knows why he has done so.
@@petebuttons210 that's exactly what foreigners are saying . U really do have a lot in common. How will yo team benefit this country ? Surely not the likes of the springbok winning team. A team up there asking SA to look at it & to emulate it to be a Blessing . But u still stuck on the standards will drop mantra instead.of pulling together collectively n win . U prefer to loose with the wrong team. Come on SAns.
The reason why people employ foreign nationals, it's because they work better, they are more skillful, and they can communicate better. Their attitude is better too.
@ Marinda de Gersigny WOW!! Malema a foreigner from Zimbabwe? Last time i checked, he is from Seshego Zone 1. Do you know where that is? It is a township in Polokwane, formerly Pietersburg
@@japrosper1258 You might have a point there. Just like Boers and Afrikaaners and the Dutch are in the same whats app group as well. One thing you seem to miss is that Zimbabweans are AFRICANS and the Dutch and their descendants were "Visitors"
Bcz he’s not affected by hunger Nd he wants to unite Africa in South Africa which is the problem. Nothing wrong having our sisters Nd brothers but this situation is out of control. They can’t even fix it coz it’s a mess already. All African countries have policies in place for foreign nationals except South Africa. Your Zimbabwe, your Botswana, your Zambia, your Kenya etc.......... all have systems in place to protect their citizens especially poor citizens, they only accept critical skills. Why is this an issue when it comes to SA looking out for it’s citizens?
The most amazing thing i have discovered is that he rallied unemployed South Africans to go to Restaurants to secure jobs for undocumented foreigners. 😂😂😂😂
We with scarce skills are leaving because BEE is another thing causing us to not get employment. Also private sector should do more to not exploit workers but challenge the government. Not make everyone wanting to be in government due to low salary outside government.
Remember migrants fled situations they could not change in their countries and this could also happen to South Africans too in a few years, the tables always turn the other way, history repeats itself.
We will cross that bridge when we come to it. We cannot allow lawlessness, chaos, blatant disregard of our laws and a systematic exclusion of SAns from opportunities in their country.....just bcz ppl ran away from problems in their country. SA is not a Messiah for dysfunctional countries
During the apartheid regime where there was political and financial discourse in SA. did South Africans not seek refuge in neighboring and other African countries? The tables have now turned and the route being chosen is to turn a blind eye on history. The beauty of history is it has a nack of repeating itself especially in African countries headed by outdated revolutionary parties. The economy itself cannot sustain the wages required by a SA citizen as it is sometimes ridiculous & unreasonable, hence an employer will employ a foreign national
I hear you but when South Africans were living in those countries they didn't cross the border illegally in uncontrollable numbers and were living in camp sites not roaming around the streets, meaning there were supplied with food and shelter to sustain them. But when a people come here illegally with no papers how do they sustain themselves without being involved in illegal activities? we don't even have refugee camps here where do those people go? 27% of car hijacked cars cross the border because our borders are porous. It might look ridiculous & unreasonable to you but we need to put pressure on the ANC to make policy changes that will assist the economy to do better, but their time is up we've heard enough.
As much as we went to other countries during apartheid....There is no country that can claim it had millions of south africans...and we stayed in designated areas...here in S.A we even have foreigners in rural places...
@@isoboy1000 In as much as you might want to mention the border jumping, do you think that the founding fathers of this great nation used passports when they sought political refuge in fellow SADC countries? Do you think the guerilla militia that led the revolutionaries had passports when they were trained in Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Tanzania etc So it's quite sad actually to see the divide & conquer mentality still quite existent in modern times We're basically all human and should not treat one another with hostility or brutality
@@sharonmanzi4681 The problem isn't the rural residing of foreigners. It's intolerance to what you do not know and an inability to comprehend it hence the derogatory words like "kwere kwere/kwara kwara" are used loosely to address a fellow human being. Understanding the reason behind someone leaving their place of origin is what SA citizens should be researching Staying away from your roots is never easy hence you see that at any given oportunity the immigrants jump those same borders to go to their homes. They need not be reminded harshly that this isn't their home for they are well aware of it
@@watsondennis7540 Yes most didn't have passports but were accounted for and it was arranged between our political movements and the governments and they stayed in camps even their movements were restricted. - Were our people in exile highjacking cars and robbing people? - Were they involved in illicit trade of cigarrete which affect our local industry? - With a hostile environment that was in SA most of us remained and faced the cruel government because we didn't have connections to cross the border, it was only few of people who went to exile that number didn't even make a million. With SA being the biggest population in SADEC our people were supposed to have been scattered all across the region in their millions but we remained here. - Now tell me how many illegal immigrants are in South Africa right now?
He represents the ruling party ANC ,but it's fine 2024 is around the corner ,we are going to fix our country without anc ,amagwegwe azo conda ,the ruling party is going to cry .
there should be no 40/60 there should be 100% citizens on those jobs for every foreigner that has a job in south Africa it is a south African out of work
Agree with this labour guy, but I think our government must built technical schools for that students didn't do well in martic they can go to these technical schools and learn, welding, plumbing, bricklayer,Electrical, carpentely, motor machanic, ect so that they can be self employed. These foreigners a doing that and we nid to teach our kids despline.
Its easy South African government benefits a lot with so cold foreigner’s if you check on contractions department every company has 1 or 2 locals those illegal immigrants have bult sandton and waterfall then now they are told 100% locals should be employed
@@michaeldickson2524 Technical Schools already exist. They are called FET Colleges. As an Old topie no longer able to compete with the "born Frees", I went to one wanting to do an Auto Electrical Course so I can resolve my own Electrical problems on my car. Though the course was in the prospectus, I was told it was only done Theoretically. No practicals were offered though I could see Workshops fully equipped. One Lecturer said it was policy not to give practicals. I cannot tell if it was country policy or it was only that college. No wonder we now have many Artisans training places
@@martinnyirenda2525 practical is the only way to go u need to work with yo hands like agriculture, building, carpentry, motor marchanic etc those college's who don't offer practical they a waiting our time and money. We need to send our kids to to technical schools if they can't qualify for university level .
And you also know one thing, Even foreigners stop doing this cheap labor you think the locals will manage. I don't think so, locals people like to stay in their location enjoying funny, beers, stories etc... They only realise late that they have to do any type of job when poor foreigners are busy carrying boxes for Chinese and etc...now you calling that a job, Before it was not a job. Sorry you just a big problem for your self
We managed just fine before your influx with yr low standards and stinky armpits. Human beings are allowed to take a break and enjoy life. Keep yr slavery mentality in yr country.
@@nonhlanhlah6854 I fell pity for your thought and imagination, For me to answer you better go and make moved to visit other countries in the world then you will understand what i'm talking despite your defend. You don't know what you are fighting for. For me no one can support illegal immigrants. Only you people must fight for one propose "reasons" No objects 💪
@ Mfundo Butshingi Unfortunately, It may not even be implemented. They have failed to implement existing legislation. This is just another exercise in futility. They have Inspectors who are supposed to be going around checking on employment matters in all sectors but the Inspectors are under staffed, probably, and ill equiipped, another possibility and just prefer spending time in the office, maybe drinking tea and doing whats app
No it does not if we have a problem with illegal immigration we do ! STOP trying to gaslight us with claims of xenophobia. I.e just last week I met this Zim who works for a white farmer for a mere R650 per month [that's not even the minimun rate ]. And this white people lie and say they are hard-working , if you love their work so much then why not pay them accordingly? !😂
The Bottom Line Should be South Africans First in all Fields which Can be filled Locally.
A Foreign National has The option of Going back to his Country.A South African has no where to go.
@ Lerumo Newman The South African during the struggle had an option of "coming back to South Africa" which the locals where we were in our huge numbers did not have. They had no where to go while we were in their countries with their Governments supporting our struggle at huge financial expense and in some cases loss of life
@Ezekiel Boikhutso It is not an issue of owing anyone anything. We just need to realise that the argument that we have no where else to go, though true, was also true of the people in the countries where we were during the struggle.
@@martinnyirenda2525 "we were" it wasn't even close to a hundred thousand south Africans in exile, why should we have millions of illegal immigrants with nothing to give?
@@nnn8502 You raise two matters and I will respond to both.
First, how do you arrive at such numbers? There are no official stats available, at least i have not seen them, that tabulate how many went into exile. Wish the powers that be can publish such numbers officially.
While some went to join the struggle as MK'S, there were others that went as "economic refugees", not necessarily to fight but also to seek greener pastures. There were a number of families in that state in the town we lived.
Second, the numbers of illegal immigrants. This is also a difficult statistic. It is probably a number that includes legals as well as illegals. We will know, hopefully, after the current census the numbers of foreigners. Hope the Stats SA can publish the numbers of both legals and illegals separately.
We are only going to resolve the illegal crisis if people in positions of authority stop looking for "skaftin". As long as we have such individuals who want to personally benefit from their positions, we will live with this problem for a very long time. So we need to have people who have a national interest in positions of power.
Another thing we need to do is regulate certain sectors of the economy as "Citizens Only" sectors. All business opportunities that do not need a lot of capital to start- SPAZA, Hair Saloon, Barbe Shop, House Keepers, Pre-School Teachers, MUST be "Citizens Only". No Foreigner, Legal or Illegal, should be allowed to operate in these sectors. Foreign Business people MUST bring money to Invest so that employment can be created for Locals. All these foreigners running Spaza shops, if legally here, must be given an ultimatum to convert their licences into a General Dealer or a Mini Supermarket or whatever licence exists. If not converted, the licence must be cancelled and the traders deported if non compliant. We need our people in authority just to enforce the law and stop looking for "skaftin".
The other challenge we will face will be the numbers of foreigners once the Africa Free Trade policy becomes fully operational. By the way, we have already signed it. They are just working out the logistics of how it will function to the benefit of ALL African countries. Last time i checked, of the 54 countries in Africa, 53 had agreed and signed. Only Eritrea was still to sign up. South Africa is also one of the countries that has ratified it. We have signed up and ratified it. This will allow Africans to live and work in any African Country. So we will have more fellow Africans in South Africa then. So we need to begin to make peace with the fact that Africans are OUR PEOPLE. We just need a proper policy on illegals, African or non African. Our systems are porous and need a complete overhaul.
South Africa has smart people that are capable of working anywhere around the world please stop this false narrative of saying South Africans have nowhere to go...it's very demeaning
African leaders must provide employment for their own people before they expect others to take care of their citizens
@ Babalwa Ndamase Well, we have South Africans working in neighbouring countries as well especially in the mines. Should we bring them back so that their jobs can be taken up by locals in those countries? Will we be able to guarantee them a job once we bring them back?
@@martinnyirenda2525 yes they should be brought back if that country does not need their experise
@@xpressivemusic4578 Well you answered one question only.....Should we bring them back but you have not attempted to deal with the second question ......Can we guarantee them a job?
On expertise, they are probably in other countries because their expertise are still needed
@@martinnyirenda2525 you are a fool those South African work for south African companies they already have jobs here they are sent out to start operations and transfer skills to the locals then they are back. I'm talking specifically about those operating on the continent
@@xpressivemusic4578 I am a fool? That is disrespectful. I cannot continue this debate as i do not engage in disrespectful conversations. Bon Voyage
If a business relies on cheap unregulated labour from illegal immigration in order to be profitable then surely it should not exist within SA?
The taxes that those businesses pay sustain the whole gov, and all the grants that South Africans love so much!
@@mannetjie3248 they are actually cheating the tax man. A business that employs illegal immigrants is unlikely to pay UIF contributions nor disclose its full staff compliment.
I would even venture that a business willing to flout the law by employing illegal migrants is probably also under-declaring it’s taxable income or evading tax as a whole.
@@donmeow Moletsi Mbeki said there is half a Trillion that circulates offshore probably a Trillion now from businesses not reinvesting.
@ Katlego Mahlatse True. It should not exist within SA but unfortunately it does. The problem is ourselves. We love the Skaftin and the brown envelope. Our officials look the other side when they receive the "Skaftin"or a nice brown envelope.
Other African countries have such laws as well.....why provide for your neighbors child when yours suffers......
lest we also forget that the undocumented immigrants in the country that have worked here for years were subjected to taxes at their places of employment that they failed to get UIF for. That money was pocketed by someone whom it was not due to but the immigrants did not protest and simply chose to carry on because of gratitude for having a job in the first place. Its a choice made to be overworked & underpaid
First of all they have violated SA laws by being there, by working there illegally, they have no legal recourse. Those officials who got them here illegally PLUS those employers must get heavy sentences, and a prison term
@@vuvufuzzy2594 so if the employers are sentenced who will employ you
You've nailed it. I need not say more.
Still under discussion untill when?.until there is total chaos
Vuvuuuuu 😂😂😂😘😘😂😂😂
As long as Africa as a whole does not address the issue of cheap imports, jobs will diminish faster than we can imagine. Why do we now import almost everything?
I suspect the ANC thought they would destroy the 'white economy' by encouraging imports of everything...it turned out to be very shortsighted, I fear...
💯 agreed, the root cause is cheap a imports coming from China. The local business like furniture and textile business, and metals industry have cram led because of open border business from China.
@ Addington Mabuto Well we import everything because we do not have truly and practically skilled Engineers. Our Engineers are Theorists, very good at explaining it theoretically but no good at making it. Have you realised that we even import toothpicks? Where are our so called "Engineers" who cannot even manufacture a tea spoon.
Don't forget skills development. Introduce more skills training centers which will put more emphasis on entrepreneurship
It's not about skills! It's about pay cheap labour with no UIF or worries of CCMA. Businesses pocket big profits while many of our own is suffering, these foreigners is taking our money abroad and they lifestyle are that of a millionaire. No It's time to do something about this.
@@jackierademeyer3670 Facts
The government should rather limit issuing visas to Chinese who are taking over all the shops in South Africa and encourage locals to take over. The system of education whereby learners who hate schooling are pushed or force to go to school but failed in grade 12 becoming aimless on street. Instead could have encouraged to learn skills training and better their lives.
@ Teacher Fosu TV There is a stigma associated with Skills training in this country. If you DID NOT go to University, you are not as respected. That mindset has to change FIRST.
Apart from that, are you aware that most courses in FET have become THEORY? Though there are existing workshops, learners rarely do any practicals at all. So what skills will they learn in a Theoretical course that is supposed to be practical? I would not be suprised if Lecturers use those workshops as Private Businesses over the weekends?
Let us FIRST change what is Existing. Make Skills training in FET a PRACTICAL COURSE.
I agree on limiting the Chinese but our government is aware Beijing has a big stick.
@@martinnyirenda2525 Thabo Mbeki is the one who abolished colleges where practicals and theory was taught throughout the course ... These institutions must come back...
@@Coco-kw3iv This MUST be priority number 1. It must happen immediately. It will solve a lot of skills problems. A lot of Zimbabweans do these skills either as jobs or backyard businesses while we are busy fighting for jobs in offices where we wear ties and get paid peanuts
@@martinnyirenda2525 that's true. I heard there is a proposal of reinstating but you know...we have to push this ourselves. It was the biggest blunder... The other "skilled" group must go home and operate there in the meanwhile...
#Put South Africans first
Employ, Empower Strictly Citizens
Critical skills to be considered by the high department of Education
Let's fix the Damage
Let's fix South Africa
Thank you
Herman Mashaba
Action SA...
Thank you labour of department.
Foreigners not the problem blame the right people ie ANC
Very true
SA not the problem blame the right people, corrupt african leaders
ANC and foreigners all to be blamed here. We sick Nd tired of anc coz it created all this mess now it’s out of control 🤷🏽♀️
@@IamBarati true
@@thembi9645 Exactly
South Africans have always worked during apartheid without any help from foreigners, who are now claiming to be hard workers in SA. Work hard in your country. South Africa have survived before and will survive without lying lips of people who are full of envy for South Africa. South Africa needs to focus on refugees not on people leaving that country because of greed.
Do your research well as foreigners have build South Africa even during apartheid era mst mines workers were foreigners whose pensions which runs into Bilions of Rands which have not been claimed by unaware beneficiaries all those funds are developing South Africa. Lake of knowledge is a big problem most of those people on the forefront of fighting the so called illegal immigrants are dull criminals taking advantage of the situation by robbing and stealing from the same foreigners. To be honest with South Africa people what's happening to so called illegal immigrants will haunt the country of South Africa soon.
Yes to quotas for legal, scare skills only, but illegal, unskilled and not scare skills... those must be deported., we have enough of our own
@ Vuvu Fuze Indeed we have our own unskilled and not scarce skills. Actually plenty of our own. But should we also deport them?
Botswana and Nigeria have made pronouncements unapologetically regarding immigrants in their country.
They have put their citizens first and South Africa should take the lesson and move.
Which Nigeria and when? South Africans in Nigeria are living like citizens occupying high paying jobs without any disturbance from citizens or govt. Pls delete that statement its not true.
@@Eazi179 High paying jobs are due to scare skills labour like anywhere even in South Africa we have Medical researchers who come from different part of the continent, its the low paying jobs that are a bone of contention.
@@isoboy1000 scarce skills in Nigeria??? Lol...u r not serious. Our problem is not scarce skills but over qualified skills 👌 Bring one South African skilled with a degree on any top job I will give you 100 Nigerians with two two masters for that same job, Yet we allow them work as bosses over people who are better qualified than them. Don't even start pls! We ignore these things because we perfectly understand the South African situation.
@@Eazi179 South African situation?? which one?
@@isoboy1000 Hello...I suppose you watched the Gayton's interview na...
Dat why ngyngaVoti sori 2say but foreigners are over populated
South Africa is not Father Christmas of the African Continent.
I propose a private members/citizens bill that says in times of a developing crisis (eg Where unemployment reaches 35% or where debt to GDP reaches 20% or where an anomaly is detected eg the country's loan is raised by any dept other than Treasury as the Dept of Health has recently done) national elections must be held within 12 months of the submission of a private members/citizens bill/concern about any of aforementioned examples.
I submit.
@@thembantshingila2592 Do we have provision for private members bills in South Africa?
@@martinnyirenda2525 I recently learnt that it is available for parliamentarians, maybe a little research ...which I havent done yet can bring more clarity . I'd appreciate your findings should you decide to pursue this thanks.
@@thembantshingila2592 We need this to be available to ordinary citizens. These guys are no longer representing our views and we need to raise our own voices.
i guess it is worth venturing into such a research
@@martinnyirenda2525 indeed...It's long overdue..load shedding and rolling state capture would have been arrested promptly.
If it was not for organisations like Dudula standing up for poor unemployed people of SouthAfrica ,nothing at all would come out from labour department ,they acting now because they see they failed to do their job ,southafricans have suffered a lot where an employer tell you straight that southafricans are expensive to pay and foreigners are cheap so the expensive one who abides and paid according to labour rates must loose a job and some employers are foreigners but legally here and entertaining their friendship with their foreign fellows here in our country they hire them instead of SouthAfricans not only at restaurants check every where even in butcheries we see them ---concerned people on the ground ,l think labour department must work and work seriously not just talk and maybe talk act please it's been long ,and southafricans deserves all the jobs and critical ones ,they must be skilled to do the jobs
True Patriot ✊ we must thank our #PutSouthAfricansFirst leaders like Kwena, Victoria and Mangalani #OperationDudula @OnsBaizaNie ✊💪🏾❤️
They mustn't be anybody talking about being refugees in Africa because there are no wars & if we do see people claiming that status we should send them packing
SALONS, CLOTHES MAKING, SPAZA SHOPS should be reserved for South africans stop toying with us those are not scarce skills .. to have thousands of foreign salon owners in the country is a joke really
Unfortunately few SA are good at these industries
When they opened these small scale biznesses where were South Africans?They arw even employing and teaching you guys,I m sure most will go and we will see how its gonna be
@@bushsutimeline766 stop lying and even
@@celianchitembo4924 i don't care if South africans were sleeping or watching but those sectors should be reserved for South africans thats that
@@ScissorN You personally dont care hahaha,you have a lot of work to do my dear
Here's the analogy which in my opinion describes the South African government's policy towards immigration in general. The government's policy has been to allow an influx of immigrants into South Africa through its legally designated entry points as well as its porous borders, much like a "Zola Budd" Taxi driver who for the sake of money decides to overload his Taxi. Then when the Taxi begins to strain in the middle of nowhere in the journey due to its load, the Taxi driver (knowing well, the consequences of his statement that they might start quarrels and fights from the passengers), decides to rudely inform his passengers to alight and choose between enduring the discomforts of the taxi ride for the rest of the journey or finding their way back to where he picked them from. That's unfortunately the headache that the proverbial Taxi driver is sitting with at the Union Buildings.
So the govt of thieves prioritises complying with international protocols over our constitution
at the expense of South Africans......
fancy stealing our rights while stealing our money as well.
60%40% foreign to locals when countries unemployment is 35%. What is this government smoking?Therefore we have so many foreign SMMES and foreign recruitment. Fix the government, and this problem will be fixed.
No to quatas 1000% SAns
The proplem is not foreign workers, but illegal foregiers.
The problem is the quota on skilled (scare skill) foreign workers, and illegal PLUS unskilled workers.. sorry we don't need the latter
The problem is millions of illegal foreigners. Any country would wobble under the strain. Why do you think the Americans are shouting at each other? Too much illegal border crossing over there as well.
Asking for 60% of people employed to be local. How is this triggering to any rational human being?
My point bring back the old guard,our new b.e.e has destroyed this country,they wrapped in cotton wool,and freaking lazy,the foreigners are the true hard workers
Wich foreigners are you talking about?
Chinises, Bangladesh, Pakistanes, Britain's, Americans etc... or your blacks Africans brothers.
I"m sorry to tell you that you don't know what you are doing,
You just want to pleasure your people by taking unnecessary steps.
The big problemes first is corruption.
A chinise with money if he come to South Africa today and by tomorrow is buying an South African Id then what are you saying about that.
Take easy with your African brother than being arrogant
If South Africa was run well, we wouldn't need this Laws at all because there was going to be jobs everywhere especially in Infrastructure and Tourism, we need to build this Country but the money is being eaten by Corrupt ANC, Service delivery was going to be another thing to create jobs in this Country. That is why the DA is so quiet when it comes to all this Because they know the root of the problem
The DA is quiet because its constituency and donors are the very interests that benefit the most from cheap labour.
@@wma5440 it is true ,the DA constituency ie beneficiaries of cheap labour
@@wma5440 the guy is saying the truth
I fully agree with this man's observation! We must be like the USA under Trump which he was the best president that had stand for America first and that has work for 4 years. He brought back jobs from China and Mexico. People had jobs and illegal immigrants fled in 11 millions back to their countries making way for jobs to be opened and filled. I fully support this idea. Look at every provinces where our own has to beg on the streets. Government can't pay for SASSA if they bearly don't have money to give. Yes it's time to make South Africa first and with no violence. Give them 3 months to go back before army force them back by law and not violence.
I agree with you completely. This isn't rocket science
Thrs no other unfortunately, they’ve created this now they must fix it
That is why Trump did not get a second term
Lol Donald trump failed big time ,he couldn’t even finish building the wall 🤣🤣what a joke
@@thabisankomo7597 Lowest black unemployment under him.
Though it too late.. but south africa must do something
Time To End the cheap eating of local food...! Ngozi
We cannot be employing 40% of foreigners in a country where the is 1% of foreigners, it's clear the is no fairness, the limit should be 1% foreigners per company
I would have agreed with you but your logic is too dumb. If you paid a bit more attention in your math literacy class in school you would have been a little bit smarter today
This is the ANCs response to the rise of Action SA and it's loss of power in Tshwane and Joburg metros. Mashaba has been the biggest winner of elections. Now there are 4%of foreigners by population in SA according to Numsa and yet the unemployment rate is at 46%. Now even if every single foreigner was removed from SA the unemployment numbers would still be very high. Secondly , how is it that the jobs of locals are being taken when most foreigners at a low skill level as self employed or on short contracts e.g barber shops and hair dressers in JHB are doing it themselves, spaza owners are also self employed . If locals wanted to do this there is nothing that stops them because they have more local support in terms of financing than foreigners do. Thirdly the reason any foreigner will always do well is because they come with an unmatched level of ambition and work ethic that locals ado not possess. If even a poor South African found themselves in New York it would not come as a surprise to see them doing really well and cause a stir amongst a more complacent contingent of New Yorkers. It's just how it is when you are foreign, you see opportunities where others don't. This is what made America into the hard working country it is, it's because it's a nation if immigrants. Now the ANC unfortunately knows better and is seeking to do whatever it can to cling to power, is it not suspect that right after the election in November last year debate was being had about the Zim visa being issued?It's because they lost ground and Action SA became King maker. Whenever the ANC doesn't do well it seems to adopt the policies of other parties and make them their own like they did with the EFF on land....and failed. People must not be fooled. These are signs that the government knows that it cannot grow the economy and it is scapegoating foreign nationals. There is no doubt that some foreigners are engaged in crime and border jumping, but a functional government would easily deal with this by for example ensuring there is in fact a border fence ( but we know how the fence looks🤦🏾♂️) and border management. If SAPS were themselves doing their jobs and not extorting foreigners for money themselves and taking bribes maybe , just maybe the levels of crimes in some areas perpetrated by a few foreigners would be lower. The govt just needs to do its job. Give visas to high skilled people because it's the right thing and it will help the economy and yes , ensure strict border management and no border jumping as it is the lowest skilled workers who would do such and have nothing to lose even if they got a criminal record. The AnC is corrupt and failing to do its job of leading society and the conversation is being taken over by new parties. The ANC is refusing to reform itself and instead is attacking its own Constitution and the judiciary unfairly for its own failings to manage the country. Poor South Africans must also wake up to the idea of living in other countries like Zimbabwe, Angola, Zambia and even Ghana and it will give them a profound sense of hope as they will see opportunities in those countries and it may also inspire them to see that they have it pretty nice when compared to other African countries. Vuka uzenzele African child.
Yes, I cannot agree more! Blaming foreigners for the SA government's inability to do human resource development and creating conducive conditions for economic and employment growth is just so lazy! Labour market competition always boosts productivity and growth. Immigrant-friendly nations always prosper!
Why do other African countries reserve their informal sector for their citizens?
@@katlegomoatshe1312 I find it shocking that a South African would admit that competing in the informal sector, where one needs the minimum of skill, is also a bridge too far for South Africans, really now...
So you want us to leave our country for u...?
South Africans must leave and work in other African countries ???? Do you reason well or you are just typing???
South Africa is not like other countries in Africa and that you understand it very well that is why you yourself you can't go back to Zim and talk against Zim government you will be tracked and tortured but it is easy for you to talk about ANC cause you know nothing will happen.
Look I'm giving you an advise as a South African mobilize all Zimbabweans to go back home and fight Zim government and leave South Africa for South Africans and by saying Foreigners are taking our jobs that won't change we are fixing the our country our own way we don't need Zim citizens intervention.
I think foreigners with papers is fine, but things have definitely changed, I was going for a job interview at a restaurant and this Chinese owner told me the law has changed since COVID. People not getting an hourly rate anymore. But 2% of they sales for the month…imagine. But then he asked me if I am a South - African I said yes. I have 11 years of experience plus management. He never phoned me back and I even lived 10 minutes away. I am sure he took a foreign person, because most of the time foreigners in restaurants will work more hours for less money. And I know the law working in the hospitality industry for so Long… I saw all this stuff happen. Most of the time the problem is with the owners of the shops as well, they want to see where they can save money.
Sad reality 😢
The policy is there for only scarce skills from other countries
@ Dikeledi Jane What is a scarce skill? I lived and worked in Botswana for about 10 years. It was a deliberate policy in Botswana that when a Foreigner is employed, a local is attached to the Foreigner as an understudy, almost like the Foreigner has to pass on the skills to the local. Maybe we need such a policy here. i know it may not work in all sectors but in practical fields, this is a necessity
The rest must be deported
😂 😂 😂 😂 Do we have labour inspector in South Africa, this country is a joke. 15years as a employee never I have heard abt labour inspectors, people are getting paid every month for doing nothing. This would have been stopped from the start
This is a joke the law says you must employ 100% locals
Keep saying that South Africans are hiring foreigners to pay them less, but you know the real reason why!!!!! Everyone that employs a foreigner knows why he has done so.
Please share with us.
We know. To exploit them and tell them they are hard workers. It's disgusting
Enlighten us please
To exploit them and tell them SAns are lazy hahaha
To keep the rest ,non white South Africans poor.
Every South African wants a job but no-one wants to work - who is going to do the work in this country?
The foreigners see opportunity and flock to South Africa because the locals are lazy or do not want to do the low paying jobs.
@@petebuttons210 that's exactly what foreigners are saying . U really do have a lot in common. How will yo team benefit this country ? Surely not the likes of the springbok winning team. A team up there asking SA to look at it & to emulate it to be a Blessing . But u still stuck on the standards will drop mantra instead.of pulling together collectively n win . U prefer to loose with the wrong team. Come on SAns.
Go back to your country even if we can be lazy it's our country
@@princectrixx9298 LOL
Save that fighting energy for ur Country.. Let us deal with our laziness it doesn't concern.. Mind ur business!
Viva actionSA viva viva patriotic alliance viva viva nhlanhla lux viva
Viva Z'yakhala manje #PutSouthAfricansFirst ✊
To be honest I don't think it won't make any difference in South Africa.
The reason why people employ foreign nationals, it's because they work better, they are more skillful, and they can communicate better. Their attitude is better too.
U forget to mention slave salary
Blah blah blah....
I think you are on point, but how about you apply that when serving ZANU PAF President in your own country
So what restrictions does the department suggest to impose on Malema who is a foreigner from Zimbabwe pretending to be a South African?
its ok to hate... but to lie.... disgusting!!!
@ Marinda de Gersigny WOW!! Malema a foreigner from Zimbabwe? Last time i checked, he is from Seshego Zone 1. Do you know where that is? It is a township in Polokwane, formerly Pietersburg
@@martinnyirenda2525 Whowu Limpopo and Zim , same WhatsApp group
@@japrosper1258 You might have a point there. Just like Boers and Afrikaaners and the Dutch are in the same whats app group as well. One thing you seem to miss is that Zimbabweans are AFRICANS and the Dutch and their descendants were "Visitors"
I hope this also includes soccer players in the clubs not in the field...
When the government is out of idea they look for scapegoat
As a foreigner ourseas u cant just come in and start working
Your julius invited all africans now you want them out
it's better they are Africans, you are not even one
Bcz he’s not affected by hunger Nd he wants to unite Africa in South Africa which is the problem. Nothing wrong having our sisters Nd brothers but this situation is out of control. They can’t even fix it coz it’s a mess already.
All African countries have policies in place for foreign nationals except South Africa. Your Zimbabwe, your Botswana, your Zambia, your Kenya etc.......... all have systems in place to protect their citizens especially poor citizens, they only accept critical skills.
Why is this an issue when it comes to SA looking out for it’s citizens?
@@lazlovicful These Neanderthals are using reverse psychology to keep Africans divided. Never mind them. Their tactics will never work.
The most amazing thing i have discovered is that he rallied unemployed South Africans to go to Restaurants to secure jobs for undocumented foreigners. 😂😂😂😂
@@wma5440 the truth is that is not South Africa’s responsibility. South Africa can help where it can, not inhererit Zimbabwe’s problems.
We with scarce skills are leaving because BEE is another thing causing us to not get employment. Also private sector should do more to not exploit workers but challenge the government. Not make everyone wanting to be in government due to low salary outside government.
Good job
Remember migrants fled situations they could not change in their countries and this could also happen to South Africans too in a few years, the tables always turn the other way, history repeats itself.
Like what? Unemployment? We too are battling to change the unemployment situation in this country. Let them do the same back home!
Most of illegal foreigners are doing crime in our country like being here it's a crime bcas they are illegal
We will cross that bridge when we come to it. We cannot allow lawlessness, chaos, blatant disregard of our laws and a systematic exclusion of SAns from opportunities in their country.....just bcz ppl ran away from problems in their country. SA is not a Messiah for dysfunctional countries
During the apartheid regime where there was political and financial discourse in SA. did South Africans not seek refuge in neighboring and other African countries? The tables have now turned and the route being chosen is to turn a blind eye on history. The beauty of history is it has a nack of repeating itself especially in African countries headed by outdated revolutionary parties. The economy itself cannot sustain the wages required by a SA citizen as it is sometimes ridiculous & unreasonable, hence an employer will employ a foreign national
I hear you but when South Africans were living in those countries they didn't cross the border illegally in uncontrollable numbers and were living in camp sites not roaming around the streets, meaning there were supplied with food and shelter to sustain them. But when a people come here illegally with no papers how do they sustain themselves without being involved in illegal activities? we don't even have refugee camps here where do those people go? 27% of car hijacked cars cross the border because our borders are porous.
It might look ridiculous & unreasonable to you but we need to put pressure on the ANC to make policy changes that will assist the economy to do better, but their time is up we've heard enough.
As much as we went to other countries during apartheid....There is no country that can claim it had millions of south africans...and we stayed in designated areas...here in S.A we even have foreigners in rural places...
@@isoboy1000 In as much as you might want to mention the border jumping, do you think that the founding fathers of this great nation used passports when they sought political refuge in fellow SADC countries? Do you think the guerilla militia that led the revolutionaries had passports when they were trained in Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Tanzania etc
So it's quite sad actually to see the divide & conquer mentality still quite existent in modern times
We're basically all human and should not treat one another with hostility or brutality
@@sharonmanzi4681 The problem isn't the rural residing of foreigners. It's intolerance to what you do not know and an inability to comprehend it hence the derogatory words like "kwere kwere/kwara kwara" are used loosely to address a fellow human being. Understanding the reason behind someone leaving their place of origin is what SA citizens should be researching
Staying away from your roots is never easy hence you see that at any given oportunity the immigrants jump those same borders to go to their homes. They need not be reminded harshly that this isn't their home for they are well aware of it
@@watsondennis7540 Yes most didn't have passports but were accounted for and it was arranged between our political movements and the governments and they stayed in camps even their movements were restricted.
- Were our people in exile highjacking cars and robbing people?
- Were they involved in illicit trade of cigarrete which affect our local industry?
- With a hostile environment that was in SA most of us remained and faced the cruel government because we didn't have connections
to cross the border, it was only few of people who went to exile that number didn't even make a million. With SA being the biggest
population in SADEC our people were supposed to have been scattered all across the region in their millions but we remained here.
- Now tell me how many illegal immigrants are in South Africa right now?
He represents the ruling party ANC ,but it's fine 2024 is around the corner ,we are going to fix our country without anc ,amagwegwe azo conda ,the ruling party is going to cry .
there should be no 40/60 there should be 100% citizens on those jobs for every foreigner that has a job in south Africa it is a south African out of work
Agree with this labour guy, but I think our government must built technical schools for that students didn't do well in martic they can go to these technical schools and learn, welding, plumbing, bricklayer,Electrical, carpentely, motor machanic, ect so that they can be self employed. These foreigners a doing that and we nid to teach our kids despline.
@@michaeldickson2524 100% agree with you
Its easy South African government benefits a lot with so cold foreigner’s if you check on contractions department every company has 1 or 2 locals those illegal immigrants have bult sandton and waterfall then now they are told 100% locals should be employed
@@michaeldickson2524 Technical Schools already exist. They are called FET Colleges. As an Old topie no longer able to compete with the "born Frees", I went to one wanting to do an Auto Electrical Course so I can resolve my own Electrical problems on my car. Though the course was in the prospectus, I was told it was only done Theoretically. No practicals were offered though I could see Workshops fully equipped. One Lecturer said it was policy not to give practicals. I cannot tell if it was country policy or it was only that college. No wonder we now have many Artisans training places
@@martinnyirenda2525 practical is the only way to go u need to work with yo hands like agriculture, building, carpentry, motor marchanic etc those college's who don't offer practical they a waiting our time and money. We need to send our kids to to technical schools if they can't qualify for university level .
Move the South Africans some were and keep foreigners so that you can enjoy more bribes/Tshotsho....
And you also know one thing,
Even foreigners stop doing this cheap labor you think the locals will manage.
I don't think so, locals people like to stay in their location enjoying funny, beers, stories etc... They only realise late that they have to do any type of job when poor foreigners are busy carrying boxes for Chinese and etc...now you calling that a job,
Before it was not a job. Sorry you just a big problem for your self
We managed just fine before your influx with yr low standards and stinky armpits.
Human beings are allowed to take a break and enjoy life. Keep yr slavery mentality in yr country.
@@nonhlanhlah6854
I fell pity for your thought and imagination,
For me to answer you better go and make moved to visit other countries in the world then you will understand what i'm talking despite your defend.
You don't know what you are fighting for. For me no one can support illegal immigrants. Only you people must fight for one propose "reasons"
No objects 💪
We spoke about immigrants taking ur job but they never listen
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Bold of you white lady to quickly jump on the "xenophobic" wagon nxx!
It will take years to implement. . .even though it should be treated as emergency...n
@ Mfundo Butshingi Unfortunately, It may not even be implemented. They have failed to implement existing legislation. This is just another exercise in futility. They have Inspectors who are supposed to be going around checking on employment matters in all sectors but the Inspectors are under staffed, probably, and ill equiipped, another possibility and just prefer spending time in the office, maybe drinking tea and doing whats app
Most foreigners are nolonger employed they are self sustaining through trading .
We will burn down those businesses ❤️
@@luluspele9486 I Am sure you will , but won’t get far with that mentality
Proposed law reflects xenophobia of black South Africans
Because a valid passport is required whenever you cross into another sovereign state, then all the countries who require this are xenophobic!
No it does not if we have a problem with illegal immigration we do ! STOP trying to gaslight us with claims of xenophobia.
I.e just last week I met this Zim who works for a white farmer for a mere R650 per month [that's not even the minimun rate ].
And this white people lie and say they are hard-working , if you love their work so much then why not pay them accordingly? !😂
@@lingibilliard4809 thats slavery right there