I AGREE.......FUCK GE........."I WANT MY EMD"...........43 YEARS JUST RETIRED.......MISS THOSE SD45'S, SD40'S GP40'S AND GP35'S.......THE GE'S????, MADE ME ALOT OF OVERTIME$$$$$ BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS BREAK DOWN....I GUESS YOU COULD SAY?, ITS ABOUT LIKE HAVING A STRIPPER FOR A GIRL FRIEND BUT HAVING TO PUT UP WITH THE CRABS........HERE WE GO------------------>*............
I think I would have to disagree with Gringo4x4do. GE's are to quiet anymore. Because of the 4 stroke diesels, they sound like they are not working very hard. Even in notch 8. The EMD 645's are a 2 stroke diesel, making them wrap out faster in full throttle. And there is just something about those 2 stroke diesels with the turbos screaming that sends chills down my spine. To me that is just raw, unadulterated horsepower. Now don't get me wrong! I love the sound of a very throaty GE. Cheers!
@AliceInChains243, I agree....the PRR was a great railroad, hate to see the old PRR stuff disappearing. I wish I'd been around in the days when PRR SD40's and SD45's ruled this line.
The whirring noise that you hear at the end is the FRED. They allow a small amount of train air pressure to continue to pass through, which spins a small generator to keep FRED's battery charged. You're hearing the generator spinning...
@AliceInChains243, I agree with you completely. I wish NS would paint up a PRR locomotive, the way they did with that Southern unit (GP60 I think it was?), for historical purposes. Unlike the UP historical units, the NS railroads had simple paint schemes for the most part, and would be easy to paint.
This was shot at "McGarvey's", 3 miles west of Altoona and 3 miles east of Horseshoe Curve. I you want directions on how to get there send me a message, and I'll be more than happy to give you the low-down.
I agree with you 100%. I just wish I had the pair of studio headphones while I was editing this vid together, it would have made the audio experience THAT much better.
Wowzaa AWESOME VID! way to capture those engines thrashing Like that. So where exactly is that ? Last time I was home I noticed they were putting a new signal on the lower end of the Horseshoe curve. My stomping grounds are from the East portal of the tunnel to MG. Benny being my fav. This vid provides an excellent vantage point. 5* Also on a side note, from your name I ask do you like Alice in Chains the band ? :P
Great one! I love the sound of SD40-2s in Run-8. Been to Horseshoe Curve before and I know you can hear trains coming from a long way off. Yeah --- BIG difference from what we're accustomed to down here in Florida. Awesome video. ;-) Five stars and Fav'd.
Trash train from HELL! The sound it going up a ridiculously steep grade is SPOOKY! Oh and 3:14 sounds like alarm bells, making it even more spooky. 4:39 sounds really freaky too. Really cool vid, 5*.
To my knowledge, 65J still goes up the hill with it's Jersey trash loads almost daily, not sure of what time it gets by. Traditionally it's always went up in the early morning, but running as required, it can really get to Altoona any time I guess. Definitely the train to see, it almost always has power like that on the headpin.
Imagine this same scene with PRR 6-axle EMD's, GE's, and even Alco's climbing this grade right before PRR bit the dust in 1968....sadly, an era not many of us got to see. The PRR was once mighty, but died a horrible death in the end.
Did I ever get back to you about the directions on getting here?? A lot of people have been asking me that same question, not sure if you're one of the ones that I got back to about it or not.
And who EVER would have thought that SD40-2's would become a "dying breed" on the mountain? The new SD40-E's they're putting in helper service aren't bad by any means...they just don't compare to their 35+ year old counterparts. I agree, it would have most certainly SOUNDED like something else back in PRR/PC days...
Thanks! It's been years since I initially documented this, but it's still to this day one of my more memorable moments trackside, even though this train sang like that just about every day whenever it ran, which was often. The business got sold to CSX, but now has recently returned to this routing, though I doubt in the same quantities or with the same near-gauranteed power as before.
@meccaturbo And it was making a lot more noise than my buddy next to me would admit. My on-board shotgun mic actually picked up the Catfish a little bit better than it did the SD40-2's ahead of the train, which to me is no surprise considering the difference in decibels between the two models when fully notched.
@DarkHorseLeather Just because something is a 2-stroke, it doesn't "wrap out faster". In fact, a 2 stroke produces power every revolution of the crank whereas a 4 stroke does so every 2nd revolution, so in theory they should be working less hard to put out the same hp as a 4-stroke.
Yea, just the sounds of one of the best trains that runs up this side of the mountain. 3:14 is the wheels squealing through McGarvey curve, and 4:39 is a sound that has something to do with the FRED on the last trash car to my understanding/
SP was a great railroad. Nothing quite like SP SD40T-2's going over Donner Pass on the original line through the summit tunnel. Nothing else like it in America. NS is a great railroad too...they are extremely well run.
@DarthDemaric Those must have been some great times, too bad they won't sound like that by the time I have a kid that can listen to the railroad! Oh well, times have to change at some point.
NS is the best possible successor that the once mighty Pennsylvania Railroad could ever have....ironic as well given that PRR once owned 1/3 of NS predecessor Norfolk & Western Railway.
+Carl Covington On some occasions, it was actually. None that I ever got to witness personally, but it did happen every now and again given that the train originated in North Jersey.
christopher coleman Oh believe me, it did. Watching this go by during the Winter months was fine (and ideal), but watching it slowly claw it's way uphill during a hot sunny day in the middle of July was everything but. Great sound, but that was about it!
christopher coleman Like you wouldn't believe. Watching one slowly make it uphill one afternoon 7 miles west of here up on the rocks at Bennington a year prior that Summer was especially brutal lol. Even worse were the poor bastards in the manned helpers on the tail end that had been shoving since Altoona! For their sake, I hope gas masks were applied.
I've been listening to the west slope feed alot here home in CT, and that badass little 65J has been rolling through Cresson at 7AM on the dot...so if this trend continues and Jersey keeps generating that much trash as always, you gotta get out on the east slope by at least 6AM to grab this thing. Just my guess.
No the engineer did not run through a red signal,look closely and you can see the signal change,the only time a train can continue through a stop signal is when a sign with the letter "G" is below the signal light, G being Grade,on very steep grades if a train without helpers stopped for red it would have problems starting and risking breaking the train in two so as long as the letter is below the signal it can proceed through,when i approached these type of signals the conductor and I will concur as well as calling the dispatcher to confirm.
You're absolutely right - the angle did weird things to the signal color but you showed the centre-green right at the start, and you can see the position switch from top (green) to red (bottom). I thought dispatch might have given him permission to proceed - I've actually seen that (malfunctioning block signal). But you're right and it was my bad - sorry about that! (There are a few of us at least that try to be civil even here on TH-cam!)
You've way more experience then I do. I'm just a scientist that also happens to be a railfan (had an engineer in my extended family). The only reason I could tell what was going on with that one 'turn absolute into permissive' red was I was listening on a hand scanner. Dispatch was running everyone through that red at restricted while they had a maintenance crew en route (which sadly I couldn't hang around long enough to see). It made for great trainspotting but it was a giant four-chime pain in the pazotz for the poor crews all stuck in a traffic jam at that one jammed signal. What railroad did you used to drive for?
I'll also add in the cab some locomotives have cab signals in the cab, the conductor calls out the types of lights displayed track side and the engineer concurs (agree) the crew must log it on a paper trip form of sorts,both the crew must know the different types of signals displayed and their meanings.
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Greatest sound ever👍👍👍👍👍
You managed to capture 2 of the greatest sounds in railroading history
Wow those EMD Locomotives sound's amazing
GM engines never get tired,I know,I ran a lot of them in 36 years as an engineer.Nothing beats the sound of EMD's in run 8.
I AGREE.......FUCK GE........."I WANT MY EMD"...........43 YEARS JUST RETIRED.......MISS THOSE SD45'S, SD40'S GP40'S AND GP35'S.......THE GE'S????, MADE ME ALOT OF OVERTIME$$$$$ BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS BREAK DOWN....I GUESS YOU COULD SAY?, ITS ABOUT LIKE HAVING A STRIPPER FOR A GIRL FRIEND BUT HAVING TO PUT UP WITH THE CRABS........HERE WE GO------------------>*............
Have had that privilege at one time, just not nearly as long as you. Gotta agree, definitely a power rush hearing 'em notched out.
Awesome sound!
Runnin' wide open, thrilling!
I think I would have to disagree with Gringo4x4do. GE's are to quiet anymore. Because of the 4 stroke diesels, they sound like they are not working very hard. Even in notch 8. The EMD 645's are a 2 stroke diesel, making them wrap out faster in full throttle. And there is just something about those 2 stroke diesels with the turbos screaming that sends chills down my spine. To me that is just raw, unadulterated horsepower. Now don't get me wrong! I love the sound of a very throaty GE.
Cheers!
Ahhhh no shit!! Which one were you? I was up at the all nighter, short dude with the big camera, that was me.
@AliceInChains243, I agree....the PRR was a great railroad, hate to see the old PRR stuff disappearing. I wish I'd been around in the days when PRR SD40's and SD45's ruled this line.
thats what i wanted to see there this weekend
The title lives to its name! Even with the end of the train rounding the curve, you can still hear the 645's working hard!
Thanks man, its one of my favorite spots on this side of the hill.
Haha not a problem, just glad you enjoyed the vid. Yeah its not Florida by any means...but it's LOUD up there in the mountain of central PA!
notched-8 SD-40-2 are to me like the Supremes' Hit of the 60's! I HEAR A SYMPHONY!
Fuck... great comment
The whirring noise that you hear at the end is the FRED. They allow a small amount of train air pressure to continue to pass through, which spins a small generator to keep FRED's battery charged. You're hearing the generator spinning...
That Dash 9 sounded pretty good too!
@AliceInChains243, I agree with you completely. I wish NS would paint up a PRR locomotive, the way they did with that Southern unit (GP60 I think it was?), for historical purposes. Unlike the UP historical units, the NS railroads had simple paint schemes for the most part, and would be easy to paint.
Ns has a prr unit
At the beggining it look like they was throttling down the grade.
This was shot at "McGarvey's", 3 miles west of Altoona and 3 miles east of Horseshoe Curve. I you want directions on how to get there send me a message, and I'll be more than happy to give you the low-down.
I miss the good old days back when SD and gp used to be popular
Retired SD-40/45 driver, still miss those wonderful locomotives,always dependable work horses.
No you weren't mate. There aren't drivers that operate them.
Not sure, all I care about was the fact that the car count was enough to make those EMD's sound the way they should...
Sounds brilliant with headphones on :) thanks for posting
we saw him along RT220 he was an eastbound and it was around 3:30 Pm
I agree with you 100%. I just wish I had the pair of studio headphones while I was editing this vid together, it would have made the audio experience THAT much better.
Wowzaa AWESOME VID! way to capture those engines thrashing Like that. So where exactly is that ? Last time I was home I noticed they were putting a new signal on the lower end of the Horseshoe curve. My stomping grounds are from the East portal of the tunnel to MG. Benny being my fav. This vid provides an excellent vantage point. 5* Also on a side note, from your name I ask do you like Alice in Chains the band ? :P
@AliceInChains243 there's a GE unit in there as well...
Great one! I love the sound of SD40-2s in Run-8. Been to Horseshoe Curve before and I know you can hear trains coming from a long way off. Yeah --- BIG difference from what we're accustomed to down here in Florida. Awesome video. ;-) Five stars and Fav'd.
Fantastic Video!!! Love the sound of those SD40-2's in Notch 8
Yeah, UNFORTUNATELY you can say THAT again...
That's actually an impeller that you hear turning which turns an armature within the generator assembly. Good try, Jim.
Excellent sound and flatspots too considering continuous rail👍👍
Trash train from HELL! The sound it going up a ridiculously steep grade is SPOOKY! Oh and 3:14 sounds like alarm bells, making it even more spooky. 4:39 sounds really freaky too. Really cool vid, 5*.
I am really beginning to agree. SP was and will always be best for me, but NS like this can definitely challenge for that spot.
To my knowledge, 65J still goes up the hill with it's Jersey trash loads almost daily, not sure of what time it gets by. Traditionally it's always went up in the early morning, but running as required, it can really get to Altoona any time I guess.
Definitely the train to see, it almost always has power like that on the headpin.
Imagine this same scene with PRR 6-axle EMD's, GE's, and even Alco's climbing this grade right before PRR bit the dust in 1968....sadly, an era not many of us got to see. The PRR was once mighty, but died a horrible death in the end.
That's because the prr was misdmanage since apx 1946
wow trash on whells must be havy
Did I ever get back to you about the directions on getting here?? A lot of people have been asking me that same question, not sure if you're one of the ones that I got back to about it or not.
Love the sound of those EMDs. Wish they were still on helper service!
They are
Listen to that howl!!!!!!!
Nice never seen a trash train up there
nice location!
And who EVER would have thought that SD40-2's would become a "dying breed" on the mountain? The new SD40-E's they're putting in helper service aren't bad by any means...they just don't compare to their 35+ year old counterparts.
I agree, it would have most certainly SOUNDED like something else back in PRR/PC days...
YEA! I love it!!!!!!!
i wish they still had 40-2 helpers!
They do
DAmn how many cras?
Never mind. I should have read your info first: "The East Slope of the Pittsburgh Line over Horseshoe Curve and the Alleghenies"
What year was it filmed?
I would not wan't to run afoul of that train. Excellent capture.
Beautiful sound in Notch 8 the cars had some serious flat spots But all n all great catch
Thanks! It's been years since I initially documented this, but it's still to this day one of my more memorable moments trackside, even though this train sang like that just about every day whenever it ran, which was often. The business got sold to CSX, but now has recently returned to this routing, though I doubt in the same quantities or with the same near-gauranteed power as before.
You bet. It recently got a new paint job a few months ago.
the louder the better >:)!!!!
For the benefit of us flatlanders down here in Palm country, where is this place and what line is it on?
Thanks!
DH
Tampa
I imagine spongebob saying as the train passes by "Takin' out the trash. Takin' out the trash".
@meccaturbo And it was making a lot more noise than my buddy next to me would admit. My on-board shotgun mic actually picked up the Catfish a little bit better than it did the SD40-2's ahead of the train, which to me is no surprise considering the difference in decibels between the two models when fully notched.
It just passess through PA, they take it out to Mingo, OH. From there I have no idea what they do with it.
@DarkHorseLeather Just because something is a 2-stroke, it doesn't "wrap out faster". In fact, a 2 stroke produces power every revolution of the crank whereas a 4 stroke does so every 2nd revolution, so in theory they should be working less hard to put out the same hp as a 4-stroke.
Yea, just the sounds of one of the best trains that runs up this side of the mountain. 3:14 is the wheels squealing through McGarvey curve, and 4:39 is a sound that has something to do with the FRED on the last trash car to my understanding/
Is alto still in service?
@trainiax Haha yup, EMD's for life man, not much sounds better than what my mic was able to pick up in this video.
NS....best class 1 railroad in the USA, hands down.
You can have your EMDs ! I will take the sound of a GE ANY DAY !
Turbo 645s at work, awesome!
looks so un-PRR with the position light signals gone...
Thank the fed gov
SP was a great railroad. Nothing quite like SP SD40T-2's going over Donner Pass on the original line through the summit tunnel. Nothing else like it in America. NS is a great railroad too...they are extremely well run.
The GE seems like a lost step child.
@DarthDemaric Those must have been some great times, too bad they won't sound like that by the time I have a kid that can listen to the railroad! Oh well, times have to change at some point.
Interesting running the 40's + a D9 THIS hard while having been in Notch 8 THIS long, in THIS cold of weather, almost no smoke visible at all.
Sound's great
NS is the best possible successor that the once mighty Pennsylvania Railroad could ever have....ironic as well given that PRR once owned 1/3 of NS predecessor Norfolk & Western Railway.
Any thing in run 8 sounds good to me
Looks nothing like the ex PRR, with these modern signals. Another bit of history bites the dust.
You can thank the fed gov for that
Had this in my faves for a while, still sounds fuckin awsome!!!
That thumping sound you hear is a flat spot on some(or one) of the wheels
With that logo up front i would painted them red.
Would have been nice if all the power were SD-45's
+Carl Covington On some occasions, it was actually. None that I ever got to witness personally, but it did happen every now and again given that the train originated in North Jersey.
+AliceInChains243 a train full of trash now that stinks lol 😄😄😄😄
christopher coleman Oh believe me, it did. Watching this go by during the Winter months was fine (and ideal), but watching it slowly claw it's way uphill during a hot sunny day in the middle of July was everything but. Great sound, but that was about it!
AliceInChains243 yeah I can imagine the smell during summer pu city
christopher coleman Like you wouldn't believe. Watching one slowly make it uphill one afternoon 7 miles west of here up on the rocks at Bennington a year prior that Summer was especially brutal lol. Even worse were the poor bastards in the manned helpers on the tail end that had been shoving since Altoona! For their sake, I hope gas masks were applied.
I've been listening to the west slope feed alot here home in CT, and that badass little 65J has been rolling through Cresson at 7AM on the dot...so if this trend continues and Jersey keeps generating that much trash as always, you gotta get out on the east slope by at least 6AM to grab this thing. Just my guess.
Did he actually go through a red (with permission)? Center signal was red when he passed it; note green stays green even as the train passes it.
No the engineer did not run through a red signal,look closely and you can see the signal change,the only time a train can continue through a stop signal is when a sign with the letter "G" is below the signal light, G being Grade,on very steep grades if a train without helpers stopped for red it would have problems starting and risking breaking the train in two so as long as the letter is below the signal it can proceed through,when i approached these type of signals the conductor and I will concur as well as calling the dispatcher to confirm.
You're absolutely right - the angle did weird things to the signal color but you showed the centre-green right at the start, and you can see the position switch from top (green) to red (bottom). I thought dispatch might have given him permission to proceed - I've actually seen that (malfunctioning block signal). But you're right and it was my bad - sorry about that!
(There are a few of us at least that try to be civil even here on TH-cam!)
You've way more experience then I do. I'm just a scientist that also happens to be a railfan (had an engineer in my extended family). The only reason I could tell what was going on with that one 'turn absolute into permissive' red was I was listening on a hand scanner. Dispatch was running everyone through that red at restricted while they had a maintenance crew en route (which sadly I couldn't hang around long enough to see). It made for great trainspotting but it was a giant four-chime pain in the pazotz for the poor crews all stuck in a traffic jam at that one jammed signal.
What railroad did you used to drive for?
I'll also add in the cab some locomotives have cab signals in the cab, the conductor calls out the types of lights displayed track side and the engineer concurs (agree) the crew must log it on a paper trip form of sorts,both the crew must know the different types of signals displayed and their meanings.
Hahaha well beLIEVE me...they didn't!!!
They just had to throw that GE in there!!!!! Ruined such a great sound of EMDS pulling in notch 8!!
Like your name! Trains and Alice in Chains!
GE loco's are alive and well[sp-patches] pushing real of trains [kcks]-uncle-p's
older than 1983?
@gringo4x4do Sounds like you and me have got a deal!
EMD Rules xD!
Can u see this yes who's is it?
Shit 9 GE locomotive junk lol
Needed more GEs they have 1400hp over those tired 645s
Get are crap hint not many he get rebuilt
Eeeesh, are you a troll or what!?