My brother was a Cadet during a good medal year, and it was probably the happiest time of his life. He's no longer here and watching The Cadets always comforts his memory for me. I'll miss the shows and that connection.
Thank you for making this video, Eric. It's such a shame; a legacy, the oldest drum corp in the world, has been brought to an end. Rest easy, Cadets. 1934-2024, 90 Years. FHNSAB
@tapisbadatgames Yes and No The majority of Corps folded due to Financial Reasons. The budget to run these modern Drum Corps are astronomical where this law suit pushed it to an area of no recovery. Most likely the hardest decision it's board had to make Devastating Really!
Cadets 2000 was the first DCI show I ever saw and their quad feature that year inspired me to work my ass off to be a quad drummer in a DCI corps. I never marched the corps but they will always hold a special place in my heart for that.
My first ever live DCI show was watching the Zone a week before finals. I have been reading all about the situation, but seeing this video is the first time I teared up about it. It’s so sad that so much bad was allowed to happen, and that it’s ruined something so great.
Back in the bad old days some staff would take advantage of students due to their power over them. DCI has now recognized the problem and there is much more oversight of the individual corps staff and marching members, and policies are in place to address the problems. Unfortunately it doesn't change the past.
I can bet on all that is holy no corps wil lEVER attempt a costly, intricate, demanding drill setup of that type ever again.. two sets of uniforms, and manpower hours to design, teach, practice, and execute the drill, while offsetting the colored uniforms? NOPE one of a kind, never to be seen again.. I got to see it live in Salt Lake in 2011....for my firsts DCI show in nearly 30 years.
Hopkins really hurt DCI and The Cadets, it's a shame they couldn't catch back up. DCI really needs to be focus on lowering the cost and focusing on local shows and corps. More corps will go under as the country gets worse.
@@insertchannelnamehere632 They might have been able to handle this situation if they weren't still dealing with the last one. They had some good shows but the organization was never the same.
@@drummersnare6276 What makes you think it's false? It's not a stretch to think Hopkins was apart of something larger or that others have been abused. DCI is lucky it's just one corps with how many creeps end up teaching.
@@Surelockohms Because most of the time it is false and they just want free money. Also the man is innocent until proven guilty, you can’t default to it being true and then have to prove that its false
Thanks for this video. Very sad situation not just for the members who were abused, but for all the fans of DCI who will be deprived of future performances of this unique and storied drum corps. As a member of the Garfield Cadets in the 1989s, the death of the Cadets is like a funeral I can’t even attend, and your last video clip of the corps nearly brought be to tears. How great they were, and my memories as a member will never die. FHNSAB!
sadly not surprised. heard rumors the past couple years that it was the most expensive tuition by far out of the entirety of DCI (or somethin close) screamed a bunch of red flags.
Good breakdown of the situation. Being from the Erie area it excited me that a big-name corps would be coming to that area. RIP Cadets, thank you for your contributions to the marching community 💛❤️
I am from Erie as well and it was exciting to hear a world class corps was going to be housed in our town. I can only wonder if they had taken 2023 off to work on their finances, perhaps they could have weathered the storm.
I'm actually shook. Never thought that this could happen to a corps of Cadets' caliber. Will never forget their show from 2000 when I marched Spirit of Atlanta that year. Strange enough, two guys I knew of back then that went to JSU where Spirit held camps and all-days at. Two members of that university's drumline marched with Cadets and Cavaliers in 2000. I think the guy's name that marched Cavies was Josh and he marched bass 3. The guy that marched Cadets, I can't remember his first name but I think his nickname was Crouton.
In no way am I condoning what happened back then, but filing for bankruptcy wouldn't have happened if New Jersey hadn't passed a law in 2019 extending the statute of limitations and providing a two-year window for civil actions and past abuse claims.
I tried out for Spirit the year you guys did the Brian Setzer show. I ended up backing out but I finally marched Boston in 2002. I actually loved going to the camps at JSU. One of my students years later attended JSU for a semester, and she really enjoyed the experience. There was this one cymbal guy, I wish I could remember his name. He was legit. Good memories.
@@JustinBerke yeah it was. Devs tho I was surprised by them it didn't look right seeing battery playing on Dynasty's instead of Yamaha. I think I remember some kind of drama going on from within
@@josiahkrammes2185Yeah I hear you. One thing I do kinda worry from all of this is the possibility of some people out there victim blaming. I wasn't aware of the statute being extended and that brings up if someone out there that's angry about this and throw a tantrum and get all spiteful and say that the victims are only taking advantage of an extension of SoL. I myself am hoping the victims receive the closure they deserve and heal from what happened.
So sad. My favorite Corp that originally got me totally invested into Drumline. I was a freshman snare at a competitive HS in which the instructor was very intense and high standards, and I imagine hugely influenced by the Cadets as well. He and our Band Instructor even showed us the 2000’s Disney show that year to hype us up towards the end of the season to show us what is possible with dedication and hard work. That’s when I was totally hooked. I continued this tradition for many years, showing the younger and new kids the same show yearly, even when I was the instructor at that very same HS for years. Sad, but at least we have many videos online of several great years of performances. Too bad there isn’t a higher quality version of 2000. RIP Cadets😢
Hopkins was one of the major movers to the changes in Drum Corps that has caused so many old time Drum Corps fans to leave. He helped kill our beloved activity.
wow this is probably some of the most unfortunate news for anyone in the world of DCI. Especially those who are apart of CAE, have marched, or do currently.
I marched with Alliance a DCA corps and our brass tech was a guy from the Cadets and man he was awesome. I've met a few other members and have seen a lot of their shows, this is crazy that I'll never get to see them again.
Dude, 05 Cadets was also a formative memory for me. I did see it live in Allentown that year. As soon as they were done, I went to sign up for the 06 season but of course the costs kept me from doing it as I was going off to college. This should be a cautionary tale for the entire activity to watch member and operating costs, vet your staff and do everything to protect your organization and most importantly, your members.
Wow! I don't normally feel shock or sadness at such news but this is big for me. I feel tears in my eyes. "12.25" and "Angels and Demons" stick in my memory but the Cadets have done so many amazing shows and it is sad for the whole movement that they have gone. Thanks for the update Eric.
Omg I was your first dci show you saw! I always tell any ‘92 Cavalier that they were the first dci show I ever saw. It was on PBS. I was 7 and I knew what I wanted to do with my life at that very moment.
The future of DCI, I think, is uncertain. It doesn’t make sense financially. Students have to pay thousands to perform for not a lot of people. The culture seems to want to be like a sport when it’s not. DCI is “major league” when it’s not. I think marching bands need to figure out what they are. Are they entertainment or competitive? Unlike sports, not every school can field a band.
At the risk of sounding like one of those old “get off my lawn” guys…I think DCI could save a lot of lot of money if they cut out the unnecessary props, electronics, and new uniforms every year. The 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s had so many memorable shows that we still love today, and they didn’t have any of that extra stuff. It’s time to dial things back and return to the essence of drum corps. It can’t be a broadway musical, interpretive dance, a sporting event, and a musical performance all at the same time. Let’s get back to drum corps, the way it used to be. Oh and also maybe shorten up the tour too. We don’t have canvas the entire country every single year. Back in the day we used to have championships on the east coast one year and west coast the next. Maybe we get back to that model and shorten the tour, alternating between different parts of the country.
@@andrewfilmsdrums Although I kinda agree with your first paragraph, the actual issue is transportation. Thats what over half of those fees go to. As much as I'd love to go across the country next summer, every summer can't be like that. 5k+ is too much for so many people. I'm just praying that I won't get priced out of ever marching but i genuinely don't know that. side thing,as a front ensemble person I can't imagine that its necessary for world class fronts to get new instruments every year. You can argue, " oh over the summer they go through so much damage." if these marimbas were unusable then why the hell does every corps resell them when the season is over? just do work on them over the year.
@@SWilla00946 Agree 100%, including your transportation comment. Like I said, shorten the tour, and alternate between different parts of the country. A lot of east coast corps will not come out every year to the west coast shows. Like I remember Phantom Regiment coming out west in 2015. The Bluecoats came out in 2009. Phantom also came out in 2008. But they don't come out here EVERY year. But the West Coast corps DO go east every year, since they moved the Championships to Indy, which is just not fair for Blue Devils, SCV, Cascades, Academy, etc. I think they need to return to the model of alternating the World Championships between West and East. I went to the last time they had it out West in 2007, at the Rose Bowl. But I haven't been since. Get back to that model of alternating the location--the US is just too big geographically. And if it's your year as a drum corps to travel far for the championships (like if it's in California and you're an East-coast corps), then you just have to shorten up your tour that year. Don't go backwards to places like Atlanta, just start going in the direction of Championships. And if you're Carolina Crown for example, yeah you might have to spend a lot of money traveling all the way across the country, but guess what, you'll save a ton of money next year when the championships can move out east by you...maybe to Atlanta for example. There are for sure better ways to set up the tour than making every corps travel across the entire country every year.
My fear is that The Cadets organization may not be alone. I think nearly everyone has stories of behavior that is simply not tolerated today. I recall being screamed at over a megaphone in front of the entire corps. That probably wouldn't fly today...
It’s good that standards of acceptable behavior are finally changing in DCI, these kids shouldn’t spend thousands of dollars just to be abused. First with Spirit, now with the Cadets, I hope this is a wake-up call to any corps that still conduct themselves like that.
My experience as a fan going to field rehearsals of many of the tops corps in the last decade is that staff members are totally professional. No yelling, no lecturing, just good instructions with mutual respect all around. Back in the 70's, some staff members in some corps were not so great.
@@skraegorn7317This is exactly why the Blue Devils and the Bluecoats are the top 2 corps in DCI, and Blue Devils are at the top. BD and Bloo take very good care of their members, which leads to better performance on the field (it's easier to perform when you're well rested and not burnt out) and higher vet retention. My indoor group's vis tech marched four years with the Blue Devils ('19 or '20 ageout i think) because he loved it so much, so clearly they're doing something right
How the heck is that the same thing. Shame on you for even comparing that. What are they suppose to do, write you a note and pass it down? stop being so soft.
Cadets was one of the best corps in DCI. Next to the Blue Devils, they won quite a few championships. It's surreal to hear that they're folding after all of their success!
I aged out a Cadet, FHNSAB means a lot to me. I put FHNSAB and 34 on all of my sports jerseys I own. I have a hole in my heart right now. I knew this was going to be the end result, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt, a lot. I’m so pissed and betrayed by Hop, I looked up to him.
Good video that. Thank you. Being in the UK an and so a very distance fan of the Cadets I’m removed from the news stories about what went on so this is really useful. The thought of Cadets being gone forever is still hard to believe, so fingers crossed this situation gets resolved and many more young people can benefit from the cadets experience in the future.
My band director is one of the visual coordinators for the cadets, and he’s been talking about it for the past couple of months. He’s had a lot of bankruptcy scares over the past year, especially with the jazz clubs that he ran nearly getting closed, and he was devastated when he learned that they were officially filing for bankruptcy. Poor guy loves the cadets.
This is quite a shame. The Cadets were always an inspiration to me when I was a young aspiring DCI drummer. I never did make the cut for that corps, but it sounds like we might have been at one of the same audition camps. Small world and pretty cool to think about. You're one of my favorite drummers so it's fun that we both auditioned in front of Tom Aungst during his prime.
I am a 93 & 94 Cadet Mellophone player. I have enough sense & class to maintain my prior testimonies that George Hopkins and the Cadets staff & family deserve credit for creating hardworking, motivated, innovative, human beings grown to push themselves toward their goals & success. I used & passed along George Hopkins quotes to teach my own classes of students when I was a high school band director; built amazing programs & minds over the years, including myself & my own family. Having been in the Cadets taught me to live an always striving lifestyle and to not accept mediocrity from myself. Despite all your crucifixions of George; I will not see my history, nor the Cadets be tarnished by 80s bullshit when I was in the 2nd grade when I clearly remember teachers able to grab a child by the neck and paddle the shit out of them in front of the enter class while the kid cried. 80s were different and to come back after all these years to see my Holy Name tribe crucifying our leader in my mind is bullshit. WTF happened to my drum corps? FHNSAB ???
Holy shit!!! I marched Madison Scouts in '91 (I'm the soprano soloist/duet guy in the ballad), and it cost me MAYBE $550??? $600??? And that included crappy apartments, many bottles of Milwaukee's Beast...like, an absurd amount of it...and a crap load of Subway during pre season! Can't believe how expensive it's all gotten! Sucks.
Things have gotten so out of hand. I mean, when I marched in the stone age, my fee for a top four D.C.I. World Class Corps with Hall of Fame Member Tom Float as our drum instructor and Hall of Fame Brass Instructor Jim Ott was....................... $500. What? Yes, $500. Now we didn't eat all that well and our buses were crappy, but even so- we toughed it out and tied for the Sanford Award that year and placed second only to Blue Devils in horns. I am thankful that I came along when I did and didn't have to face all of the mess that is around now. Someday we will no doubt say R.I.P. D.C.I.
"The Mess" is sexual assault which has been happening in the activity since the 80s. And probably long before. "The Mess" has always plagued the activity, its only now that the people are finally being held accountable.
This sort of thing always happens when competition and prestige are on the line: it becomes and arms race which means more and more money being spent. That and inflation just drive price up; ain't capitalism grand?
Staff buy outs are a thing as well. In 2017 Boston apparently outbid Carolina Crown and Poached their Colorguard staff. I wonder how much of the extra costs like this are passed down to the members
I gave the video a thumbs up because it was informative but this story breaks my heart. The Cadets were my favorite corps over the past 40+ years. Tragic. I feel worst for those women who were abused.
Though I have not attended a DCI show since 2005 and don't really follow the activity any longer, this is absolutely heartbreaking. I marched with Spirit of Atlanta 1979-1984 in the hornline and my wife marched with the 27th Lancers 1978-1983 in the color guard. We live in the Charlotte area. The Garfield Cadets/Cadets are probably the most influential drum corps from the 1950's-present, with the Cavaliers close behind. I have never been a fan of George Hopkins for many reasons. With the sexual assault being the reason they're folding and George being one of the perpetrators, this is just crushing to me and makes me angry. God bless everyone affected by this huge, unthinkable loss. I am happy we have decades worth of videos to enjoy reliving their excellence.
The 27th Lancers in those days were my favorite corps. They were incredible in '80-'81!!! And Spirit of Atlanta wasn't far behind. I was a young boy in Boston in those days and remember you guys at the Manning Bowl in Lynn, Massachusetts. Thanks for those memories.
This activity is dying and it’s crushing my soul to sit back and watch. Less and less shows, less people attending shows, less corps putting together shows. It’s seems like only the elite colts are going to be able to survive.
Hi-Joe Gannon here. I marched snare with St.Pat’s Cadets from Jersey City,NJ. I marched from 1956-1966. I can’t remember how many times that I competed against Holy Name/Garfield. This is sad on so many levels. The kids that bust their asses every day,do not deserve this. My corps disbanded for different financial reasons,and it hurts every day- to this day.
Wha.....no way. Oh my God. This was the first corps I ever saw live. Good friend of mine in high school inspired me to join DCI. He made lead bass in 2000 for Cadets. I can't....wow.
I was at the 1987 finals in Madison. They were amazing. I knew some of the members from the late 80s and early 90s. Most of them were extremely humble, friendly, and awesome. It's sad the corps has to fold because of some horrible staff. Thanks for the memories, Garfield Cadets (that is what I knew them as).
2018 member here. Was definitely a surreal experience since Hopkins was there for the first auditions and camps. Eventually it moved to Scott but everything still had a stain on it.
There is a larger financial beast at play here. Back in the day the cost of living was cheaper. Most people gave thier time for free or very little outside of the initial show writing. Now anyone involved has to get paid as everyone's personal costs have gone up and someone has to pay for it. Add to that over the last 20 years " Others" outside the organisation looked in and said these corps have got money so lets get a slice. Constant uniform changes insurance, accommodation, insrument supply. Gone are the days a kid could just turn up, have a talent, march and age out with the abilities to think of maybe turning pro with thier skills. Being a music graduate has narrowed the talent pool and now the feeder corps system is dying because even small corps struggle. Dci is a slow moving car crash now and losing the Cadets is a gateway much more like this. Thanks for the memories and tremendous performances.
So sad to see this happen. This is a sport that I still love, cherish and follow after all these years (95/98 Crown). Had friends who marched Cadets. I Remember the first time I saw them in 95 when a Mello (alto back then) fell down and basically was trampled by the horn line. I remember saying to myself they move so so fast, no way she can catch up but popped up and found a way back into the line. it was impressive to watch. That sums up Drum Corps for me, excellent performance at all cost. Let's hope someone can revive this organization one day.
Is there video of that? There's footage (on youtube at that) of a similar thing happening at some show of us in 97. right before "the toilet bowl" at the end of the show before the Z-pull (the toilet bowl also occurred in 98 AND 99 in the opener,) and like 6 people go down, as the person that went down was behind everyone else who was marching back, right into/over them. It's almost painful to see, but by the end, everyone was back in the line (even if a few plumes were missing and one or two people might have somehow been in the wrong 'place' in the line. I think the footage might be on one of the Cadets Superfan vids from 97.
@@highstimulation2497 maybe it was 98, but im fairly certain I remember it being 95. but its been a minute since then haha. either way, it was fast, and pretty violent. but the recovery was amazing.
Eric did his research and the video is accurate from everything I've read. The assault from 1982 and lawsuit was addressed in the video, and that surprised me. I feel like we got the story with all it's ugly truth. I have nothing but respect for Eric for showing us the good, the bad and the ugly.
I went to BOA this year and just shook my head. High school marching band teams putting on performances with dci caliber level shows. Everyone needs to dial it back just a bit to help make doing these shows financially viable. As DCI gets more expensive and elaborate shows so goes high school shows.
I paid $2500 in 2006 for my cadets tour fees. Plus what I lost in being able to work, plus luggage/gear/miscellaneous, my parents traveling to see me in indi. I’d put it as a great expense to be in a corps these days. As it was a huge expense for me and my family back then. It’s gonna be tough not to root for the home team as the activity moves on. Breaks my heart. Marching arts changed my life for the better. I’m a teacher, tech for marching bands, and have much more “umph” in my resume when applying for jobs. My memories and experience were incredible and I never felt unsafe…just really REALLY tired for 90 days 😂
The whole activity is going down the toilet. Theres no reason for these shows to be so expensive. If i was a member i wouldn't want to be prancing around in strange costumes in shows full of electronics and special effects. Marching and playing is the core of the activity and its being superceded by superficial things. The shows objectivly just aren't as good as they used to be. And the cost is huge.
Note that the 2020 suit is civil, not criminal, and names The Cadets (CAE) and almost all past and future manifestations as defendants. It is not a criminal case against Vogt, which the video seems to imply. All details are available on the Bergen County NJ Superior court Web site, in the public domain.
On the one hand, it’s a massive shame and really sucks. The Cadets are one of, if not my favorite, corps. So many legendary shows. On the other hand, it seems like it was a very toxic organization. Not for everyone in the corps, of course, but clearly for some. The chickens always come home to roost eventually.
I am truly shocked and dismayed. I have known the Cadets since the 1970's. I started marching with a corps known as the "Brookhaven Crusaders" from Brookhaven, PA. I marched with them when they won the PA State Championship. Shortly after there were a few of the members that had a falling out with the head of the corps and quit. I was one of them and found another corps in the Bromall area of Philidelphia. They were known as the "Keystone Regiment" and marched with them until 1974. That year the "Crossmen" were born. This was a joining of two smaller corps, the 'Keystone Regiment' and the '507 Hornets". I aged out in 1975. The Cadets at that time were based in the town of Garfield, NJ. AKA the "Garfield Cadets". I watched the Cadets grow and was always impressed with what they could come up with. I am truly sadden and feel as though I have lost a member of my own family. Rest easy guys. You did good.
The (Garfield) Cadets was also my first favorite corps, because I was 12-14 years old during their three-peat. A few years later, I would end up marching Cavaliers and enjoying a healthy rivalry with The Cadets. But I am very sorry to see them go. George Hopkins can kiss my ass, though. Thanks for your thorough analysis.
This a shame, and the way DCI (Drum Corps) in general has been moving for sometime now. Maybe it is the economy, the cost of things, or maybe it is people like Hopkins that have assisted in shrinking the activity into extinction.
Thank you for “going down the George Hopkins rabbit-hole”. Fuck that guy. Cadets was a truly awesome and awe inspiring drumcorps, my first exposure was as a band member of a CMBC group in the 90’s. So many great shows, staffers, and members through the many years. Rest easy C1 😢
Dang... Didn't march with Cadets, but GH worked on my high school marching bands shows back in the late 90s early 00s. Didn't know about all this SA stuff, holy wow....
As a 2005 drumline member, love seeing that our show inspired you to pursue drum corps further. I cant help but point out the irony of how FHNSAB really didnt turn out to be as true as we thought it would be.
It was exciting that the Cadets seemed to come out of the dark cloud of GH and had an amazing 2023 season and now this. You kinda know it might happen but when it was announced they are done....it's a big hit to take.
No more Z-pulls. Sad. I remember watching the 83 and especially the 84 show and thinking "this is the future of drill design". Zingali was the father of modern drill design. Even today, his concepts, particularly for brass staging, are the basis of drill design.
Thanks, George Hopkins. The fruits of your... um... let's call it, _labors._ Edit: Oh good. Thankfully (maybe I shouldn't use such a positive word) this comment isn't out of context. Makes me wonder how Pioneer is doing with all their allegations. I knew a guy who toured with their front ensemble around one of those times. Not only was it Hopkins-esque, but they did things like make a low brass member march with a dislocated shoulder and one-hand a baritone (if i remember right) during a competitive performance. DCI, be better. For real.
I love the Cadets and truly feel for all Cadets alumni who've done nothing but make the corps great, but the activity has harbored sexual predators for decades many of whom are blacklisted from teaching in academia because of their criminal records. Karma is settling in, and just because Mr. Bad Touch is your buddy and good at fixing drill doesn't mean its a wise idea to let him around half naked members 24/7. People knew about George. People know about the many others as bad or worse than him. Its all going to come out eventually.
FHNSAB
Hi emc!FHNSAB!
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@@gothard5 For holy name shall always be
FHNSAB
RIP Cadets
In their honor, i look forward to seeing you recreate the entire 2005 show, playing and marching it in your backyard. FHNSAB
YES!!!
Especially the vocal break!
That would be epic, maybe a lot with only emcs being techs and emcs playing
Pardon my ignorance but what does FHNSAB mean?
Never mind 💀
So George Hopkins is to the Cadets what Dan Schneider was to Nickelodeon.
Pretty much...
I dont think the lawsuit even involved him
@@matthewegeler You would be correct
Except Nickelodeon didn't collapse and end
@@matthewegeler this is called a comparison…
Crazy how Hopkins' fine was the same amount as world class tuition.
I sure hope he's proud of himself now...
My brother was a Cadet during a good medal year, and it was probably the happiest time of his life. He's no longer here and watching The Cadets always comforts his memory for me. I'll miss the shows and that connection.
Which show
@@theangrycows 2000 "We are the future" he was on timpani
@@Eyedoc81 very cool
Thank you for making this video, Eric. It's such a shame; a legacy, the oldest drum corp in the world, has been brought to an end. Rest easy, Cadets. 1934-2024, 90 Years. FHNSAB
Wow that’s insane! I cannot believe after all this time on watching their dci shows they are filing for bankruptcy! Thanks for sharing
@JPDrums1990it’s because of the legal issues caused by George Hopkins being a sexual predator.
@JPDrums1990 that’s not why they folded.
@@brianjungen4059it’s part of it, but yeah there’s a much bigger issue
@JPDrums1990 the truth is that they folded over the lawsuit, not over the cost to run a corps
@tapisbadatgames Yes and No
The majority of Corps folded due to Financial Reasons. The budget to run these modern Drum Corps are astronomical where this law suit pushed it to an area of no recovery. Most likely the hardest decision it's board had to make
Devastating Really!
Wow... this is sad. - Lee Rudnicki, 1986 Garfield Cadets snare line
Lee! Is it time for the return? The legos are ready! #7 #loudisgood
@@tonyt913 Genkus
@@tonyt913The Cadet name can no longer be used.
Immensely sad to see this happen. The Cadet's will not be forgotten in addition to their 90 years of amazing shows
Cadets 2000 was the first DCI show I ever saw and their quad feature that year inspired me to work my ass off to be a quad drummer in a DCI corps. I never marched the corps but they will always hold a special place in my heart for that.
I love you
Definitely my favorite show of all time.
I think that was my only time seeing them IRL. That whole last section was pretty creative and the crowd loved it.
One of the corniest shows of all time but...a real guilty pleasure, I must admit. I would rather get caught 🍌ing than watching Cadets 2000.
@@paulblichmann2791 Corny? Disney? Nahhhhhhh
this is sad. I remember painting my room in their colors back in 2006. 06 got me into my love for DCI
My first ever live DCI show was watching the Zone a week before finals.
I have been reading all about the situation, but seeing this video is the first time I teared up about it.
It’s so sad that so much bad was allowed to happen, and that it’s ruined something so great.
Back in the bad old days some staff would take advantage of students due to their power over them. DCI has now recognized the problem and there is much more oversight of the individual corps staff and marching members, and policies are in place to address the problems. Unfortunately it doesn't change the past.
Wow I loved their angels and demons show. Probably one of my favorite shows of all time!
The first DCI show I ever watched in my first year of matching band
@@terrance7300 DITTO, but 2nd for me!
I can bet on all that is holy no corps wil lEVER attempt a costly, intricate, demanding drill setup of that type ever again.. two sets of uniforms, and manpower hours to design, teach, practice, and execute the drill, while offsetting the colored uniforms? NOPE one of a kind, never to be seen again.. I got to see it live in Salt Lake in 2011....for my firsts DCI show in nearly 30 years.
Rest In Peace to the Cadets; *For Holy Name Shall Always Be.*
Hopkins really hurt DCI and The Cadets, it's a shame they couldn't catch back up. DCI really needs to be focus on lowering the cost and focusing on local shows and corps. More corps will go under as the country gets worse.
It wasn't hopkins, it was someone else. But you're right
@@insertchannelnamehere632 They might have been able to handle this situation if they weren't still dealing with the last one. They had some good shows but the organization was never the same.
All because of some false allegations by some women who wanted money. Sad
@@drummersnare6276 What makes you think it's false? It's not a stretch to think Hopkins was apart of something larger or that others have been abused. DCI is lucky it's just one corps with how many creeps end up teaching.
@@Surelockohms Because most of the time it is false and they just want free money. Also the man is innocent until proven guilty, you can’t default to it being true and then have to prove that its false
Thanks for this video. Very sad situation not just for the members who were abused, but for all the fans of DCI who will be deprived of future performances of this unique and storied drum corps. As a member of the Garfield Cadets in the 1989s, the death of the Cadets is like a funeral I can’t even attend, and your last video clip of the corps nearly brought be to tears. How great they were, and my memories as a member will never die. FHNSAB!
sadly not surprised. heard rumors the past couple years that it was the most expensive tuition by far out of the entirety of DCI (or somethin close) screamed a bunch of red flags.
Boston crusaders pay 8000
bluecoats paid 5900 last year and they're prob the most stable organization. I know them, boston and blue stars are actually 6k now
$5500 in 2022 and $5750 in 2023. Don't recall it being at the top but it was most definitely up there.
Good breakdown of the situation. Being from the Erie area it excited me that a big-name corps would be coming to that area. RIP Cadets, thank you for your contributions to the marching community 💛❤️
I am from Erie as well and it was exciting to hear a world class corps was going to be housed in our town. I can only wonder if they had taken 2023 off to work on their finances, perhaps they could have weathered the storm.
@@joesensor4508 it’s because of lawsuits, not DCI touring.
imagine being Allentown - first abandoned by the Crossmen, then by the Cadets... I blame Billy Joel.
I paid $350 in 1988 for a lower tier open class corps (23rd) - $920 todays dollars.
So did I.
I'm actually shook. Never thought that this could happen to a corps of Cadets' caliber. Will never forget their show from 2000 when I marched Spirit of Atlanta that year. Strange enough, two guys I knew of back then that went to JSU where Spirit held camps and all-days at. Two members of that university's drumline marched with Cadets and Cavaliers in 2000. I think the guy's name that marched Cavies was Josh and he marched bass 3. The guy that marched Cadets, I can't remember his first name but I think his nickname was Crouton.
2000 was fire across the board. 💪
In no way am I condoning what happened back then, but filing for bankruptcy wouldn't have happened if New Jersey hadn't passed a law in 2019 extending the statute of limitations and providing a two-year window for civil actions and past abuse claims.
I tried out for Spirit the year you guys did the Brian Setzer show. I ended up backing out but I finally marched Boston in 2002. I actually loved going to the camps at JSU. One of my students years later attended JSU for a semester, and she really enjoyed the experience. There was this one cymbal guy, I wish I could remember his name. He was legit. Good memories.
@@JustinBerke yeah it was. Devs tho I was surprised by them it didn't look right seeing battery playing on Dynasty's instead of Yamaha. I think I remember some kind of drama going on from within
@@josiahkrammes2185Yeah I hear you. One thing I do kinda worry from all of this is the possibility of some people out there victim blaming. I wasn't aware of the statute being extended and that brings up if someone out there that's angry about this and throw a tantrum and get all spiteful and say that the victims are only taking advantage of an extension of SoL. I myself am hoping the victims receive the closure they deserve and heal from what happened.
So sad. My favorite Corp that originally got me totally invested into Drumline. I was a freshman snare at a competitive HS in which the instructor was very intense and high standards, and I imagine hugely influenced by the Cadets as well. He and our Band Instructor even showed us the 2000’s Disney show that year to hype us up towards the end of the season to show us what is possible with dedication and hard work. That’s when I was totally hooked. I continued this tradition for many years, showing the younger and new kids the same show yearly, even when I was the instructor at that very same HS for years. Sad, but at least we have many videos online of several great years of performances. Too bad there isn’t a higher quality version of 2000. RIP Cadets😢
There is a higher-quality version. If I find it, I'll post the link.
Hopkins was one of the major movers to the changes in Drum Corps that has caused so many old time Drum Corps fans to leave. He helped kill our beloved activity.
Booting him over some dumb he-said-she-said from a zillion years ago didn't help anything.
@@paulblichmann2791 Did you watch the video? Also, as someone pretty involved, the things GH was charged over were not the entire issue.
Agree
wow this is probably some of the most unfortunate news for anyone in the world of DCI. Especially those who are apart of CAE, have marched, or do currently.
i was with the cadets last year and i’m gonna miss everyone who made my experience amazing😢
I marched with Alliance a DCA corps and our brass tech was a guy from the Cadets and man he was awesome. I've met a few other members and have seen a lot of their shows, this is crazy that I'll never get to see them again.
Dude, 05 Cadets was also a formative memory for me. I did see it live in Allentown that year. As soon as they were done, I went to sign up for the 06 season but of course the costs kept me from doing it as I was going off to college. This should be a cautionary tale for the entire activity to watch member and operating costs, vet your staff and do everything to protect your organization and most importantly, your members.
Definitely not gonna be forgotten, gotta be one of the best of all tome
Thank you for this video, it means a lot - a 2023 Cadet
Wow! I don't normally feel shock or sadness at such news but this is big for me. I feel tears in my eyes. "12.25" and "Angels and Demons" stick in my memory but the Cadets have done so many amazing shows and it is sad for the whole movement that they have gone. Thanks for the update Eric.
Omg I was your first dci show you saw! I always tell any ‘92 Cavalier that they were the first dci show I ever saw. It was on PBS. I was 7 and I knew what I wanted to do with my life at that very moment.
The future of DCI, I think, is uncertain. It doesn’t make sense financially. Students have to pay thousands to perform for not a lot of people. The culture seems to want to be like a sport when it’s not. DCI is “major league” when it’s not. I think marching bands need to figure out what they are. Are they entertainment or competitive? Unlike sports, not every school can field a band.
At the risk of sounding like one of those old “get off my lawn” guys…I think DCI could save a lot of lot of money if they cut out the unnecessary props, electronics, and new uniforms every year. The 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s had so many memorable shows that we still love today, and they didn’t have any of that extra stuff. It’s time to dial things back and return to the essence of drum corps. It can’t be a broadway musical, interpretive dance, a sporting event, and a musical performance all at the same time. Let’s get back to drum corps, the way it used to be.
Oh and also maybe shorten up the tour too. We don’t have canvas the entire country every single year. Back in the day we used to have championships on the east coast one year and west coast the next. Maybe we get back to that model and shorten the tour, alternating between different parts of the country.
@@andrewfilmsdrums Although I kinda agree with your first paragraph, the actual issue is transportation. Thats what over half of those fees go to. As much as I'd love to go across the country next summer, every summer can't be like that. 5k+ is too much for so many people. I'm just praying that I won't get priced out of ever marching but i genuinely don't know that.
side thing,as a front ensemble person I can't imagine that its necessary for world class fronts to get new instruments every year. You can argue, " oh over the summer they go through so much damage." if these marimbas were unusable then why the hell does every corps resell them when the season is over? just do work on them over the year.
@@SWilla00946 Agree 100%, including your transportation comment. Like I said, shorten the tour, and alternate between different parts of the country. A lot of east coast corps will not come out every year to the west coast shows. Like I remember Phantom Regiment coming out west in 2015. The Bluecoats came out in 2009. Phantom also came out in 2008. But they don't come out here EVERY year. But the West Coast corps DO go east every year, since they moved the Championships to Indy, which is just not fair for Blue Devils, SCV, Cascades, Academy, etc. I think they need to return to the model of alternating the World Championships between West and East. I went to the last time they had it out West in 2007, at the Rose Bowl. But I haven't been since. Get back to that model of alternating the location--the US is just too big geographically. And if it's your year as a drum corps to travel far for the championships (like if it's in California and you're an East-coast corps), then you just have to shorten up your tour that year. Don't go backwards to places like Atlanta, just start going in the direction of Championships. And if you're Carolina Crown for example, yeah you might have to spend a lot of money traveling all the way across the country, but guess what, you'll save a ton of money next year when the championships can move out east by you...maybe to Atlanta for example. There are for sure better ways to set up the tour than making every corps travel across the entire country every year.
My fear is that The Cadets organization may not be alone. I think nearly everyone has stories of behavior that is simply not tolerated today. I recall being screamed at over a megaphone in front of the entire corps. That probably wouldn't fly today...
It’s good that standards of acceptable behavior are finally changing in DCI, these kids shouldn’t spend thousands of dollars just to be abused. First with Spirit, now with the Cadets, I hope this is a wake-up call to any corps that still conduct themselves like that.
My experience as a fan going to field rehearsals of many of the tops corps in the last decade is that staff members are totally professional. No yelling, no lecturing, just good instructions with mutual respect all around.
Back in the 70's, some staff members in some corps were not so great.
@@skraegorn7317This is exactly why the Blue Devils and the Bluecoats are the top 2 corps in DCI, and Blue Devils are at the top. BD and Bloo take very good care of their members, which leads to better performance on the field (it's easier to perform when you're well rested and not burnt out) and higher vet retention. My indoor group's vis tech marched four years with the Blue Devils ('19 or '20 ageout i think) because he loved it so much, so clearly they're doing something right
How the heck is that the same thing. Shame on you for even comparing that. What are they suppose to do, write you a note and pass it down? stop being so soft.
That’s part of it. I got called out via megaphone a couple times and it did what it was supposed to. Scared the shit outta me and I fixed my mistakes!
Santa Clara vanguard almost did the same thing last year
Legal issues seem to be the main problem for The Cadets.
They also had a predator as their director for a time.
Cadets was one of the best corps in DCI. Next to the Blue Devils, they won quite a few championships. It's surreal to hear that they're folding after all of their success!
I aged out a Cadet, FHNSAB means a lot to me. I put FHNSAB and 34 on all of my sports jerseys I own. I have a hole in my heart right now. I knew this was going to be the end result, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt, a lot. I’m so pissed and betrayed by Hop, I looked up to him.
Good video that. Thank you. Being in the UK an and so a very distance fan of the Cadets I’m removed from the news stories about what went on so this is really useful. The thought of Cadets being gone forever is still hard to believe, so fingers crossed this situation gets resolved and many more young people can benefit from the cadets experience in the future.
I was in the Cadets program in 2007. Very sad news. I am rooting for you, youtube!
My band director is one of the visual coordinators for the cadets, and he’s been talking about it for the past couple of months. He’s had a lot of bankruptcy scares over the past year, especially with the jazz clubs that he ran nearly getting closed, and he was devastated when he learned that they were officially filing for bankruptcy. Poor guy loves the cadets.
So sad, my favorite drum corp. I remember seeing them way back around 2000.
I remember seeing them way back in 1982, the year when the magic was a kindling before their first championship in 1983. My heart is broken.
This is quite a shame. The Cadets were always an inspiration to me when I was a young aspiring DCI drummer. I never did make the cut for that corps, but it sounds like we might have been at one of the same audition camps. Small world and pretty cool to think about. You're one of my favorite drummers so it's fun that we both auditioned in front of Tom Aungst during his prime.
I love their 2005 show and also angels and demons. It's always sad to see drum corp struggled financially, but the reason is just horrible.
I am a 93 & 94 Cadet Mellophone player. I have enough sense & class to maintain my prior testimonies that George Hopkins and the Cadets staff & family deserve credit for creating hardworking, motivated, innovative, human beings grown to push themselves toward their goals & success. I used & passed along George Hopkins quotes to teach my own classes of students when I was a high school band director; built amazing programs & minds over the years, including myself & my own family. Having been in the Cadets taught me to live an always striving lifestyle and to not accept mediocrity from myself. Despite all your crucifixions of George; I will not see my history, nor the Cadets be tarnished by 80s bullshit when I was in the 2nd grade when I clearly remember teachers able to grab a child by the neck and paddle the shit out of them in front of the enter class while the kid cried. 80s were different and to come back after all these years to see my Holy Name tribe crucifying our leader in my mind is bullshit. WTF happened to my drum corps? FHNSAB ???
Holy shit!!!
I marched Madison Scouts in '91 (I'm the soprano soloist/duet guy in the ballad), and it cost me MAYBE $550??? $600??? And that included crappy apartments, many bottles of Milwaukee's Beast...like, an absurd amount of it...and a crap load of Subway during pre season!
Can't believe how expensive it's all gotten!
Sucks.
Yep this is awful 😭
Things have gotten so out of hand. I mean, when I marched in the stone age, my fee for a top four D.C.I. World Class Corps
with Hall of Fame Member Tom Float as our drum instructor and Hall of Fame Brass Instructor Jim Ott was.......................
$500. What? Yes, $500. Now we didn't eat all that well and our buses were crappy, but even so- we toughed it out
and tied for the Sanford Award that year and placed second only to Blue Devils in horns. I am thankful that I came along
when I did and didn't have to face all of the mess that is around now. Someday we will no doubt say R.I.P. D.C.I.
"The Mess" is sexual assault which has been happening in the activity since the 80s. And probably long before. "The Mess" has always plagued the activity, its only now that the people are finally being held accountable.
When I marched in the 90's Phantom was one of the more expensive corps to march and IIRC they were a whopping $650 or something.
This sort of thing always happens when competition and prestige are on the line: it becomes and arms race which means more and more money being spent. That and inflation just drive price up; ain't capitalism grand?
Staff buy outs are a thing as well. In 2017 Boston apparently outbid Carolina Crown and Poached their Colorguard staff.
I wonder how much of the extra costs like this are passed down to the members
I was the ‘22 mello soloist. Absolutely heartbroken past few days
I gave the video a thumbs up because it was informative but this story breaks my heart.
The Cadets were my favorite corps over the past 40+ years.
Tragic. I feel worst for those women who were abused.
Though I have not attended a DCI show since 2005 and don't really follow the activity any longer, this is absolutely heartbreaking. I marched with Spirit of Atlanta 1979-1984 in the hornline and my wife marched with the 27th Lancers 1978-1983 in the color guard. We live in the Charlotte area. The Garfield Cadets/Cadets are probably the most influential drum corps from the 1950's-present, with the Cavaliers close behind. I have never been a fan of George Hopkins for many reasons. With the sexual assault being the reason they're folding and George being one of the perpetrators, this is just crushing to me and makes me angry. God bless everyone affected by this huge, unthinkable loss. I am happy we have decades worth of videos to enjoy reliving their excellence.
The 27th Lancers in those days were my favorite corps. They were incredible in '80-'81!!! And Spirit of Atlanta wasn't far behind. I was a young boy in Boston in those days and remember you guys at the Manning Bowl in Lynn, Massachusetts. Thanks for those memories.
This activity is dying and it’s crushing my soul to sit back and watch. Less and less shows, less people attending shows, less corps putting together shows. It’s seems like only the elite colts are going to be able to survive.
Hopefully it's just changing.
@@highstimulation2497 Keep telling yourself that.
Hi-Joe Gannon here. I marched snare with St.Pat’s Cadets from Jersey City,NJ. I marched from 1956-1966. I can’t remember how many times that I competed against Holy Name/Garfield. This is sad on so many levels. The kids that bust their asses every day,do not deserve this. My corps disbanded for different financial reasons,and it hurts every day- to this day.
Wha.....no way. Oh my God. This was the first corps I ever saw live. Good friend of mine in high school inspired me to join DCI. He made lead bass in 2000 for Cadets. I can't....wow.
I was at the 1987 finals in Madison. They were amazing. I knew some of the members from the late 80s and early 90s. Most of them were extremely humble, friendly, and awesome. It's sad the corps has to fold because of some horrible staff. Thanks for the memories, Garfield Cadets (that is what I knew them as).
I don’t know much abt dci and pwi as I march in an hbcu show style band but this is sad to hear.
2018 member here. Was definitely a surreal experience since Hopkins was there for the first auditions and camps. Eventually it moved to Scott but everything still had a stain on it.
This is super sad. On many, many levels.
Lawsuit over something that happened 42 years ago. Ridiculous.
There is a larger financial beast at play here. Back in the day the cost of living was cheaper. Most people gave thier time for free or very little outside of the initial show writing. Now anyone involved has to get paid as everyone's personal costs have gone up and someone has to pay for it. Add to that over the last 20 years " Others" outside the organisation looked in and said these corps have got money so lets get a slice. Constant uniform changes insurance, accommodation, insrument supply. Gone are the days a kid could just turn up, have a talent, march and age out with the abilities to think of maybe turning pro with thier skills. Being a music graduate has narrowed the talent pool and now the feeder corps system is dying because even small corps struggle. Dci is a slow moving car crash now and losing the Cadets is a gateway much more like this.
Thanks for the memories and tremendous performances.
exact same! Ripped from limewire on dial up!
So sad to see this happen. This is a sport that I still love, cherish and follow after all these years (95/98 Crown). Had friends who marched Cadets. I Remember the first time I saw them in 95 when a Mello (alto back then) fell down and basically was trampled by the horn line. I remember saying to myself they move so so fast, no way she can catch up but popped up and found a way back into the line. it was impressive to watch. That sums up Drum Corps for me, excellent performance at all cost. Let's hope someone can revive this organization one day.
Is there video of that? There's footage (on youtube at that) of a similar thing happening at some show of us in 97. right before "the toilet bowl" at the end of the show before the Z-pull (the toilet bowl also occurred in 98 AND 99 in the opener,) and like 6 people go down, as the person that went down was behind everyone else who was marching back, right into/over them. It's almost painful to see, but by the end, everyone was back in the line (even if a few plumes were missing and one or two people might have somehow been in the wrong 'place' in the line. I think the footage might be on one of the Cadets Superfan vids from 97.
@@highstimulation2497 maybe it was 98, but im fairly certain I remember it being 95. but its been a minute since then haha. either way, it was fast, and pretty violent. but the recovery was amazing.
I'm not surprised to see this video. 😢
My surprise is the whole shebang isn’t shutting down, I expected it years ago.
Eric did his research and the video is accurate from everything I've read. The assault from 1982 and lawsuit was addressed in the video, and that surprised me. I feel like we got the story with all it's ugly truth. I have nothing but respect for Eric for showing us the good, the bad and the ugly.
I went to BOA this year and just shook my head. High school marching band teams putting on performances with dci caliber level shows. Everyone needs to dial it back just a bit to help make doing these shows financially viable. As DCI gets more expensive and elaborate shows so goes high school shows.
I paid $2500 in 2006 for my cadets tour fees. Plus what I lost in being able to work, plus luggage/gear/miscellaneous, my parents traveling to see me in indi. I’d put it as a great expense to be in a corps these days. As it was a huge expense for me and my family back then.
It’s gonna be tough not to root for the home team as the activity moves on. Breaks my heart.
Marching arts changed my life for the better. I’m a teacher, tech for marching bands, and have much more “umph” in my resume when applying for jobs.
My memories and experience were incredible and I never felt unsafe…just really REALLY tired for 90 days 😂
The whole activity is going down the toilet. Theres no reason for these shows to be so expensive. If i was a member i wouldn't want to be prancing around in strange costumes in shows full of electronics and special effects. Marching and playing is the core of the activity and its being superceded by superficial things. The shows objectivly just aren't as good as they used to be. And the cost is huge.
DC has been hijacked by the woke alphabet mob from college.
Im so proud to have marched there
The movements of the choreography is amazing.
Yeah, I saw that yesterday. It really is sad
Happy to have experienced drum corps as a Cadet, but this just makes it even more painful to see my home disappear all of a sudden
FHNSAB
Sad 1971, 1972 Garfield alumnus here. 🥁
Note that the 2020 suit is civil, not criminal, and names The Cadets (CAE) and almost all past and future manifestations as defendants. It is not a criminal case against Vogt, which the video seems to imply. All details are available on the Bergen County NJ Superior court Web site, in the public domain.
My buddy and I were also there in the ‘07 audition camp! That weirdly large high school gym is real
Good reporting. Consider a life of journalism for the Marching Arts.
Damn, that ending had me tearing up
Very very sad
On the one hand, it’s a massive shame and really sucks. The Cadets are one of, if not my favorite, corps. So many legendary shows. On the other hand, it seems like it was a very toxic organization. Not for everyone in the corps, of course, but clearly for some. The chickens always come home to roost eventually.
I cried when i saw the post they made
First comment! Sad to see cadets going away, they were one of my favorites.😢
Idk if it's too late but this would be a prefect time for the Community to help
Very Sad. I marched 85 Cadets. I never liked Hopkins. I knew there was something wrong with him. You could just feel it. RIP Garfield!
1:20 relatable. To scared lol, every camp I’ve gone to I’ve gone to I couldn’t shower for my life lol
I am truly shocked and dismayed. I have known the Cadets since the 1970's. I started marching with a corps known as the "Brookhaven Crusaders" from Brookhaven, PA. I marched with them when they won the PA State Championship. Shortly after there were a few of the members that had a falling out with the head of the corps and quit. I was one of them and found another corps in the Bromall area of Philidelphia. They were known as the "Keystone Regiment" and marched with them until 1974. That year the "Crossmen" were born. This was a joining of two smaller corps, the 'Keystone Regiment' and the '507 Hornets". I aged out in 1975. The Cadets at that time were based in the town of Garfield, NJ. AKA the "Garfield Cadets". I watched the Cadets grow and was always impressed with what they could come up with. I am truly sadden and feel as though I have lost a member of my own family. Rest easy guys. You did good.
The (Garfield) Cadets was also my first favorite corps, because I was 12-14 years old during their three-peat. A few years later, I would end up marching Cavaliers and enjoying a healthy rivalry with The Cadets. But I am very sorry to see them go. George Hopkins can kiss my ass, though. Thanks for your thorough analysis.
Isn't there a 5-year statute of limitations? How can they sue for something that happened 38 years ago?
No. Every state is different. New Jersey changed their laws regarding sexual assaults.
Most sex crimes don't have limitations thankfully
I see. Thank you for explaining!
This a shame, and the way DCI (Drum Corps) in general has been moving for sometime now. Maybe it is the economy, the cost of things, or maybe it is people like Hopkins that have assisted in shrinking the activity into extinction.
This was just a series of many unfortunate events that proved too much to handle for the Cadets in the end. FHNSAB 🎺🎺🎺🥁🥁🥁🏳🏳🏳
Thank you for “going down the George Hopkins rabbit-hole”.
Fuck that guy.
Cadets was a truly awesome and awe inspiring drumcorps, my first exposure was as a band member of a CMBC group in the 90’s.
So many great shows, staffers, and members through the many years. Rest easy C1 😢
Oh wow. I honestly didn’t know this could happen
What's this? I live in Erie, PA. Never heard anything about the article at 2:48. Sad
Dang... Didn't march with Cadets, but GH worked on my high school marching bands shows back in the late 90s early 00s. Didn't know about all this SA stuff, holy wow....
RIP, to the Drumcore that changes lives
we all knew this update was coming after the post came 😢out
death of a legend, sad to watch them go.
As a 2005 drumline member, love seeing that our show inspired you to pursue drum corps further. I cant help but point out the irony of how FHNSAB really didnt turn out to be as true as we thought it would be.
It was exciting that the Cadets seemed to come out of the dark cloud of GH and had an amazing 2023 season and now this. You kinda know it might happen but when it was announced they are done....it's a big hit to take.
❤FOR HOLY NAME SHALL ALWAYS BE💛
rip cadets, had a friend who marched cadets in 23 for their last year marching.. sad to see.
No more Z-pulls. Sad. I remember watching the 83 and especially the 84 show and thinking "this is the future of drill design". Zingali was the father of modern drill design. Even today, his concepts, particularly for brass staging, are the basis of drill design.
Thanks, George Hopkins.
The fruits of your... um...
let's call it,
_labors._
Edit: Oh good. Thankfully (maybe I shouldn't use such a positive word) this comment isn't out of context.
Makes me wonder how Pioneer is doing with all their allegations. I knew a guy who toured with their front ensemble around one of those times.
Not only was it Hopkins-esque, but they did things like make a low brass member march with a dislocated shoulder and one-hand a baritone (if i remember right) during a competitive performance.
DCI, be better.
For real.
Heartbroken
I love the Cadets and truly feel for all Cadets alumni who've done nothing but make the corps great, but the activity has harbored sexual predators for decades many of whom are blacklisted from teaching in academia because of their criminal records. Karma is settling in, and just because Mr. Bad Touch is your buddy and good at fixing drill doesn't mean its a wise idea to let him around half naked members 24/7. People knew about George. People know about the many others as bad or worse than him. Its all going to come out eventually.
Sickening. I'm very sad about this. The Cadets will be missed and their absence will leave a huge hole that will fundamentally damage the activity.