There are a few calibers that were made with speed in mind for varmint hunting, break 4000 fps and have been commercially available for a while, though non are very popular: 17 Remington (it's a 223 Remington case necked down to accept a .17 cal bullet), 204 Ruger (a 222 Rem Mag necked down to accept a .20 cal bullet), 220 Swift (a 6mm Lee Navy case necked down to accept a .22 cal bullet), 22-250 (a 250-3000 Savage case necked down to accept a .22 cal bullet), 6mm Remington (a 7x57 Mauser case necked down to accept a .24 cal bullet). A couple better known cartridges that can go just bellow the 4000fps mark are 243 Winchester (a 308 case necked down for a .24 cal bullet) and 25-06 Remington (a 30-06 case necked down for a 25 cal bullet). All the 4000fps+ cartridges I mentioned above were created for varmint hunting - they are very flat shooting at closer ranges but the light-for-caliber, low BC bullets shed energy very fast, they make a small entry hole, but essentially explode inside the animal.
Light rounds are worthless for distance, velocity and distance drop very quickly, as none of the idiot noobs seem to notice, no long shot demo. Just a car salesman video.
Thanks for that, I knew a few. I remember when 17 fireball was almost a thing and I invested quite a bit into building a good varmit rifle, did a bunch of my own loads (that was and I believe still is the only way to get this round/cartridge), but it got to be to much work and costly for me. and the fact it never truly hit commercial market. I kinda lost interest. I still have my rifle and probably a little over 100 rounds, but I haven't shot it in over 10 years 😢. But this video has sparked my interest in these oddball high speed rounds. Idk I might get my press and dies out and try to revive an old passion. Hell I've been thinking for years about what new cartridge I could make that the gun community would just absolutely love and want. Big dreams I guess lol
I’ve had this for well over a year now, however their first release they only offered the 18” and I’m getting 4200 w the 20grn. Awesome round! KAK is a great and greatly underrated company!
5200 fps is wild! I don't even know what i'd do with that rifle but I NEED IT. Also, this is the first time Ive heard about the Garmin chronograph, it seems way more reliable than the beam break style you have to shoot through.
.220 Swift has always been over 4,000 f/s; out of a Ruger 77, my handloads (which are really the same as a wildcat) hit, with 40 grain Sierras in front of 43 grains of 4064, 4,434 f/s. 40 grain bullets pack a MUCH harder wallop than 15 grain, of course, so I'd say the most important aspect of this wildcat is that it is AR-compatible (length, etc.). That's not a small issue, given the popularity and versatility of the platform. If you can drop a wildcat upper on your existing lower at a cost of a few hundred dollars, that's pretty interesting.
I used to load 40gr SP in my 22-250 using the same powder load for my 53 Gr BTHP @4300 fps with my 50 pwr scope I would see them start to tumble at around 600 yds and sometimes I would watch them just disintegrate the farther out they got. I never calculated the Speed those 40 gr were traveling but the same load as the 53 gr going 4300fps I'm sure they were close to 5000 fps
I'm going to tell you something. Years ago I had a Marine friend. Big into guns and reloading , who would guess? He asked me for some of my 762 rounds. He wanted to reload them with .22 caliber . The load and math said 8k fps . A week later he handed me the rounds. I loaded them into my SK. Wow, crazy, almost silent, Like a weak firecracker , no recoil. The bolt never moved but 100 yards down that 22 caliber cut clean through a 1/4 inch steel plate. Like you drilled a hole in it . Next was a windscreen from a fighter jet. about 2 1/2 inches. Like butter, clean through. Something the standard 7.62 could not do at 100 yards. Crazy crazy fast 29 grain fmj 22. RIP Jeff, he died in a car wreck 15 years ago.
@@WestlehSeyweld Sabot rounds. The round (bullet) is first installed in a sleeve that has the same diameter as the caliber. In this case a 7.62. When fired the Sabot carries the round down the barrel. When it exits the barrel the sabot expands and drops away, the round continues on to the target. I used them in 50cal black powder guns. The military uses them in all kinds of weapons
@@chasemudd9040 It was crazy. He said he was scared because the powder load filled the casing. But the cup pressure was lower than a standard 7.62 based on the calculations. The first round we fired from a gun vise, just in case things went boom
I had a special built rifle years ago, built by a German gunsmith from Wisconsin. It was a 50 BMG necked down to .375. It shot a solid bronze projectile (285 gr) at 5600 fps. Claus called it the Mach5
we need Ballistic High Speed on it, they can calculate the velocity of a bullet by measuring the shock cone angle, i'd love to see comparison between this, and a .45 bullet
Not quite. The original .22 Eargersplitten Loundenboomer was a .378 Weatherby case necked down to take a 50 grain, .22 caliber projectile. The company that made the gun (as a custom job for a Guns and Ammo writer) got the same velocities as .17-5.56 but with triple the weight. They also stated they expected the customer to get even higher velocities. I wonder if he broke 5000 fps.
The 17/223 dates back pretty much the introduction of the 223, as soon as wildcatters got their hands on the cases. It was around long enough that PO Ackley included it in his Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders. Remington legitimized it decades ago as the 17 Remington, and it's one of my bucket list ARs to build.
This has a pretty significantly different chamber compared to 17-223, some of the tweaks we made reduce the infamous .17 cal fouling issue along with other throat tweaks to get rid of issues people had with the previous design.
@@kak_industry What's the expected barrel life for that AR? Been a minute since I've messed with 17 Rem, but I have a 700 BDL chambered in it and it's definitely a barrel burner.
@@52Ford At this point in time we can confirm it's better than 17 rem, our original prototype barrel has 2k+ hot rounds through it, it was also used for all pressure testing which was alot. It'll shoot 10 shot sub .5" groups still, that barrel has been abused pretty horrible and cleaned 2 times ever.
.220 swift / .22 earsplitter (a 22 bullet loaded into a 30/06 case.) 22-250 all hit or pass 4500 fps. The first 2 can hit or approach 5000fps with a lighter round and hand loading.
I was honestly half expecting Matt to pull out a 22 eargesplitten loudenboomer, which is a 378 Weatherby necked down to 22 made by P. O. Ackley, one of the big wildcat cartridge developers. But 17-556 is still cool.
@@tomhonda8025 22 eargesplitten loudenboomer at least tested by Ackley was a 50gr projectile and his goal was to go over 5000fps but he only managed about 4600 fps. That seemed to be the limit for the round.
@@HailKosm i seem to recall Roy Weatherby was able to get to 5100fps with a 30 grain copper bullet during some tests for the military using the slowest non canister they had at the time. P.O. used canister to get to 4600. Hutton's loads i have never come across
.219 zipper which is a 30-30 case necked down to .219 will shoot 5,000 fps with a fully jacketed bullet. It takes extra heavy jacketed bullet due to the bullet will designate in the barrel
I was somewhat disappointed with the ping, but I realized that more than 80% of the time is just the sound coming back, since it leaves at mach 4+ and returns at mach 1
I know they mightn't have the mass or kick but smaller bullets are super fun, it's the same with cars you don't need hundreds of hp, that's cool and all don't get me wrong but even a light car with under 200 hp can be great fun. Such a shame ppl overlook things like this cause they're cheap, easy to run, always bring a smile to your face and are so easy to mange and use to a high proficiency.
@@OneCanisLupus usa sees you as the joke according to the popular vote. You know, that democracy you claim to love only when it turns out in your favor?
In the late 60's, my dad worked with a rifle smith on several "wildcat cartridges" and rifles to use them in. 4,400 fps out of a .223 necked down to .177. 5k fps is AWESOME. Tough on barrels, though. Thank goodness for hand loading! Love your videos!!! 😎
If you go frame by frame @ 11:47 you can see the small explosion as the ballistic gel implodes again. Pretty cool! But, I also think you should collab with some slomo/high speed guys.
I did some clever pausing, and that watermelon you shot with the brass 5200fps round was exploding before the brass casing even left the ejection port. Thats insane. Very interesting round. I do have to wonder why it exists tho, because no one ever shot a squirrel with .17HMR and was like "damn, that squirrel needed to die faster"
I've been on to this since the 70's when I was a kid. I had an old break barrel pellet gun (I think it was German made I got it for 10 bucks in a garage sale) .22 cal I also had a .177 crossman pistol. Well one day I wondered what would happen if I flaired out the back and nosed the head of the .177 to fit the .22. Now how fast would it travel. So I took my empty soda cans to the woods to find out. The .177 went so fast that I thought I missed the can.... I had to see just what happened.. So down I went to the spot (About 15 yards) And it clean bored the can and never moved it. Thanks Matt for this video. I also miss my M16 that I carried in my service years too. BEST WEAPON ever made!!
At about 11:35 mat after shooting the ballistics gel and say “ I got about 8 inches of penetration” me not thinking as my 9 year old is watching with me I blurt out to my wife “hey so do I”. My sons “huh” was the most priceless reaction of something going over someone’s head 😂
I absolutely love this fat electrician and demo ranch collab. My 2 absolutely favorite creators. Its gold every time. Have we witnessed a best friendship develope? ❤❤❤
I literally look forward to watching the beginning of your videos to see what kind of skit you’re doing. Hands down my favorite part of the videos💯 . Don’t ever stop…or else..
4:10 AND; Since this is an Educational Channel, we're happy to mention that the kinetic energy increases with the Square of the velocity, not just on a one-to-one basis...🤓🐕🐕
The kinetic energy should remain the same though (ignoring drag due to air resistance, which also increases with the square of velocity) because no matter the mass of the bullet, the energy source is the same, the gun powder in the cartridge. And if you want to go even deeper into it, you can mention that the faster round will probably have less kinetic energy because it leaves the barrel sooner meaning less efficiency of turning the chemical energy of the gun powder into kinetic energy.
With that velocity I would start to worry about the friction of the bullet in the barrel getting so hot that the jacket may begin to melt. The ballistic hi-speed guys need to be called to see if this is going on. Plus they can get some epic footage of impacts!! Love you and your channel Matt!
Rather, the bullet jacket will be torn off the rifling, simply cutting off the outer part like a file, friction will do its job, rather in that it will also reduce the diameter of the bullet. All this will lead to the breakthrough of gases in front of the bullet and its deceleration/non-acceleration. In order to be faster, you need other rifling parameters, most likely progressive rifling, it is possible to be necessary to change the alloy of the jacket. And also the barrel coating is likely to quickly become unusable due to abrasion. I'm not sure if this will happen in this particular case, but it will all happen at some point if you accelerate the bullet more and more
Have a friend that has a .177 made by Remington, a centerfire, reloadable it is over 16 years old! Remington Premier Accutip .17 20 Grain AccuTip-V Centerfire … Caliber: .17 Remington, Number of Rounds: 20, Bullet Type: Spitzer Boat Tail (SBT), Bullet Weight: 20 grain, Cartridge Case Material: Brass, Muzzle Velocity: 4250 ft/s, Muzzle Energy: 802 ft-lbs, …
No joke. Guy is so loaded from all his fans buying his merchandise he doesn't have to be an entertainer anymore. Just another celebrity selling garbage to idiots. It's s shame.
Been a fan of the 204 for years just because of the reasons you showed on the speed/energy dumped. Some great videos out there of like 400yds on a coyote cold w/ wind. Looking forward to more on this one at greater distance & varied weather conditions
I'm sure this is addressed somewhere in the 4500+ comments but this is simple physics: KE (kinetic energy) is directly proportional to the mass and also proportional to the square of the velocity. So tacking on another 1500 fps (50%) to the velocity is an exponential gain for the KE. The small reduction in KE from the reduced (bullet) mass is negligible compared to the massive gain in KE from the increase in velocity. KE=1/2mv^2
I have to say you have gone from what I found your lack of knowledge and experience to painful to watch to actually accomplishing a consistent bullet speed I didn't expect anyone could achieve. Very impressive. I am now in awe of what you have done. I'm feeling silly for underestimating you so badly. Thank you for showing your tremendous achievement
A while back I was reading about wildcat rounds, and apparently there was a guy back in the 60s trying to make a .22 round that could hit 5000fps. The cartridge was a .378 Weatherby necked down to .22. He managed to get it as fast as 4600fps, but my favorite part is that he called this round the 22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer. lol
Matt, have you forgotten about the 220 Swift or the .17 Remington? Both are (or were) commercially available factory loads over 4000 fps. .17 Remington IS based on a necked down 223 Rem and factory loads are around 4200 fps. Reload dies and data available for each. Whatever you do, don't try to fire any 220 Swift reloaded with gas-checked cast .22 bullets. 8-) The bullets won't reach a target at 50 yards. The gas check might, but melted lead will be generously splattered on the ground. And barrel leading is extreme. Back in the early '70's I met a cartridge collector that had a (novelty) .50 BMG case necked down to .22 caliber. Had it mounted on a display with a .221 Fireball, a .223 Rem, a 22-250, and a 220 Swift. The big one he labeled .22-5000.
Makes me wonder what the upper limit for velocity of a bullet is. My guess is you would eventually reach a point where the bullet just melts before exiting the barrel. Or if not using lead projectiles, maybe it just Burns up in the air similar to a meteor entering the atmosphere?😅 Either way that would be awesome! Matt, maybe a new series for Demo Ranch?
I believe this is about the limit, the powder can only burn so fast and push gas so fast, using a faster burning powder could lead to a detonation like Scott had with his 50 slap rounds. So this is about as fast as you can push a bullet with modern propelents, and not risk blowing up the gun.
That’s actually a pretty significant problem with Rail Guns like what the Navy is testing. They can launch a projectile so fast it literally catches on fire from atmospheric resistance it looks like the rail gun is shooting lava. Material penetration is absolutely insane though, easily going through multiple walls set up like ship hulls.
There is a theoretical upper limit on velocity, based on the molecular mass of the combustion product gases, and the temperature of those combustion gases. Even if you fire no projectile at all, the gases will not leave the barrel faster than the upper limit related to the molecular mass and temperature of those gases. In practice, for nitrocellulose based gunpowder, the upper practical projectile velocity limit is roughly 5200 feet per second, as demonstrated in this video. Slightly higher may be possible, but with very severely diminishing returns that make higher velocities very impractical. Even that value (5200 feet per second) is well beyond the optimum "sweet spot" that balances propulsion efficiency with desire for high velocity. A lighter molecular mass gas propellant, such as pure hydrogen gas at high temperature, has substantially higher velocity potential compared to nitrocellulose gunpowder. A hot hydrogen gun could theoretically fire projectiles at more than 3x the velocity of nitrocellulose gunpowder, and since kinetic energy goes up with the square of velocity (ex: KE = 0.5m(v^2)), such a projectile could achieve upwards of 10x or more kinetic energy density, compared to conventionally designed firearms. Such a device could theoretically enable a single infantryman portable weapon to fire projectiles fast enough to penetrate modern tank armor. One way to build such a device, might be to take an electric motorcycle, and then mount a large capacitor bank and high voltage power supply on it (that charges the capacitor bank from the electric motorcycle's traction battery). From the capacitor bank mounted on the motorcycle body, one could run two (flexible) wires to a gun barrel, which uses a powerful electric arc discharge (from the capacitor bank) to vaporize a propellant block made of lithium hydride (LiH). When heated sufficiently by the electric arc, the LiH would decompose into hot hydrogen gas and lithium metal vapor. The resulting gases would have much lower molecular mass compared to nitrocellulose gunpowder, resulting in much higher maximum potential projectile velocity. However, such a device would have problems with barrel fouling, due to buildup of lithium metal (which would want to oxidize and absorb water from the atmosphere to make lithium hydroxide. To prevent excessive barrel fouling, the user may need to run a solvent (such as ordinary water) through the barrel between every few shots, to remove the lithium metal/lithium oxide/lithium hydroxide buildup. Additionally, the user would likely want to wear protective eyewear and a respirator, as lithium hydride, lithium oxide, and lithium hydroxide are all unpleasant and harmful to the wet mucus membranes of human eyes, nose, and lungs. Such device, if built large enough and powerfully enough, would however likely have some military utility as an infantry weapon, as it could potentially destroy modern tanks, APCs, and attack helicopters.
Not sure where you searched for rounds close to 4500, but the 220 swift and the 22-250 are both over 4000 from factory, handloads closer to 4400. That's from a 1935 round, so not exactly new. I've shot from both decades ago and they are fast. The 220 swift iirc we handloaded to about 4600 or 4700 fps using AR powders from ADI. Been so long I'm struggling to remember. Maybe your internet search or handloader books have the same problem as me and forgot about these two rounds... ;) Then there's also the .17 Rem and some others...
Well fella i dont think your aware of all the ballistics for the 204R. The 24gn NTX hangs with that thing all day long at 4400 fps...& thats factory loads. But that little thing is sweet to dont get me wrong. I was wondering when they were gonna neck the 223/556 down to .17 call cuz its such an efficient case.
Check out the 17 Remington made in 1980. It was a .223 with the case necked down to .17 with a velocity of 4000+ fps. They just recreated a 44 year old Remington round. Living in El Paso then it was popular for hunting coyotes.
This bullet brings us back to hitscan velocity. As god intended.
Hitscan was real, but do you remember XSilverrookX?
It's not a laser.
Omg hi
Hell yeah hitscan irl🤣
Big fan Drewski watching you for long time 🔥
Call in the Ballistic High Speed boys to do some side-by-sides and show how fast this thing really is
This!! 👍
Or The Slow Mo Guys.
Yeah yeah yeah yeah I want to see that
please this I love their channel
That would be awesome.
THE EARGESPLITTEN LOUDENBOOMER
Mk2
Came here to make that comment. Not that this isn't interesting but ackley went faster in the 60's
YES!
@@gsh122382 Same, lol! That guy knew how to name a wildcat.
IT LIVES!
16:50 "Not as crazy as I thought it might be"
*Slow motion shot literally shatters entire skull*
There are a few calibers that were made with speed in mind for varmint hunting, break 4000 fps and have been commercially available for a while, though non are very popular: 17 Remington (it's a 223 Remington case necked down to accept a .17 cal bullet), 204 Ruger (a 222 Rem Mag necked down to accept a .20 cal bullet), 220 Swift (a 6mm Lee Navy case necked down to accept a .22 cal bullet), 22-250 (a 250-3000 Savage case necked down to accept a .22 cal bullet), 6mm Remington (a 7x57 Mauser case necked down to accept a .24 cal bullet). A couple better known cartridges that can go just bellow the 4000fps mark are 243 Winchester (a 308 case necked down for a .24 cal bullet) and 25-06 Remington (a 30-06 case necked down for a 25 cal bullet). All the 4000fps+ cartridges I mentioned above were created for varmint hunting - they are very flat shooting at closer ranges but the light-for-caliber, low BC bullets shed energy very fast, they make a small entry hole, but essentially explode inside the animal.
Light rounds are worthless for distance, velocity and distance drop very quickly, as none of the idiot noobs seem to notice, no long shot demo. Just a car salesman video.
204 ruger still has my heart for honestly no other reason than i love it
Thanks for that, I knew a few. I remember when 17 fireball was almost a thing and I invested quite a bit into building a good varmit rifle, did a bunch of my own loads (that was and I believe still is the only way to get this round/cartridge), but it got to be to much work and costly for me. and the fact it never truly hit commercial market. I kinda lost interest. I still have my rifle and probably a little over 100 rounds, but I haven't shot it in over 10 years 😢. But this video has sparked my interest in these oddball high speed rounds. Idk I might get my press and dies out and try to revive an old passion. Hell I've been thinking for years about what new cartridge I could make that the gun community would just absolutely love and want. Big dreams I guess lol
I was thinking all these as well.
@@LAWLESSXX8830-06 necked up to just shy of a straight casing could be interesting
I think this is the first time we have seen Matt play with his KAK
lool
lol, beat me to it.
personally, I'm a big fan of his KAK, and also my own KAK
@you two should meet up and play with each others KAKS.
@@Steve8624Only if they record it and we all get to watch it right? "Wink wink. Nudge nudge."
KAK is a swear word in South Africa... Similar to "shit", which is making this video absolutely beautiful to watch.
Was about to comment the same thing. Imagine telling your friends about your new kak rifle.
dutchie here, i had a giggle about it.
In Dutch too, but that seems to be happening a lot with Afrikaans
Elon Musk is the greatest African-American ever!
Heidenroosjes, poep in je hoofd
I’ve had this for well over a year now, however their first release they only offered the 18” and I’m getting 4200 w the 20grn. Awesome round! KAK is a great and greatly underrated company!
Cool round. Anything faster than a .22 250 is crazy. Borderline Laser
5200 fps is wild! I don't even know what i'd do with that rifle but I NEED IT.
Also, this is the first time Ive heard about the Garmin chronograph, it seems way more reliable than the beam break style you have to shoot through.
i believe you would 'boop' with giggles
Crazy how some people you can just hear their voice in the way the type.
You NEED that, that round is faster than most tank rounds.
I'm holding out for the 300 WinMag necked down to .17
What you would do? You would replace barrels often. Fast bullets love to eat riflings.
.220 Swift has always been over 4,000 f/s; out of a Ruger 77, my handloads (which are really the same as a wildcat) hit, with 40 grain Sierras in front of 43 grains of 4064, 4,434 f/s. 40 grain bullets pack a MUCH harder wallop than 15 grain, of course, so I'd say the most important aspect of this wildcat is that it is AR-compatible (length, etc.). That's not a small issue, given the popularity and versatility of the platform. If you can drop a wildcat upper on your existing lower at a cost of a few hundred dollars, that's pretty interesting.
Love love the 220
My Ruger 77 has the 26" bull barrel. And yes mid 4400's fps are easy.
I’ve gotten 4400 out my two 220 Swifts.
4126 out of my 6mm-284 and I know a 22-284 with a 15gr is above 5000.
I used to load 40gr SP in my 22-250 using the same powder load for my 53 Gr BTHP @4300 fps with my 50 pwr scope I would see them start to tumble at around 600 yds and sometimes I would watch them just disintegrate the farther out they got. I never calculated the Speed those 40 gr were traveling but the same load as the 53 gr going 4300fps I'm sure they were close to 5000 fps
I'm going to tell you something. Years ago I had a Marine friend. Big into guns and reloading , who would guess? He asked me for some of my 762 rounds. He wanted to reload them with .22 caliber . The load and math said 8k fps . A week later he handed me the rounds. I loaded them into my SK. Wow, crazy, almost silent, Like a weak firecracker , no recoil. The bolt never moved but 100 yards down that 22 caliber cut clean through a 1/4 inch steel plate. Like you drilled a hole in it . Next was a windscreen from a fighter jet. about 2 1/2 inches. Like butter, clean through. Something the standard 7.62 could not do at 100 yards. Crazy crazy fast 29 grain fmj 22. RIP Jeff, he died in a car wreck 15 years ago.
This sounds like something you should invent !!! Dang crazy story and RIP to Jeff
How could a .22 be shot out of a 7.62 barrel?
Buddy.... I hate to tell you..
@@WestlehSeyweld Sabot rounds. The round (bullet) is first installed in a sleeve that has the same diameter as the caliber. In this case a 7.62. When fired the Sabot carries the round down the barrel. When it exits the barrel the sabot expands and drops away, the round continues on to the target. I used them in 50cal black powder guns. The military uses them in all kinds of weapons
@@chasemudd9040 It was crazy. He said he was scared because the powder load filled the casing. But the cup pressure was lower than a standard 7.62 based on the calculations. The first round we fired from a gun vise, just in case things went boom
I had a special built rifle years ago, built by a German gunsmith from Wisconsin. It was a 50 BMG necked down to .375. It shot a solid bronze projectile (285 gr) at 5600 fps. Claus called it the Mach5
Holy shit
I looked this up on a forum. Klaus of state arms. Sadly passed away in car accident.
That’s insane.😳
I'm just curious here. What were you hunting with that kind of velocity?
@michaelbotha8660 big fucuking ants from Starship Troopers
4:04 next they need to neck down a .50 BMG to a .177 cal bullet, like how fast would that be going??? Lol 🤣🤣🤣
Look up the. 17 incinerator
@@neb_setabedfinally, hypersonic Barett
It might break the simulation
22 loudenboomer eargesplitten. and you won't really get past ~5000ft/sec.
@@texasranger24are you challenging me
We had anti-tank bullets of this type in Poland during World War II. The maximum velocity was 4183.02 fps. From an anti-tank rifle wz.35 UR.
So the goal was just get small rounds through thick armor? That’s sounds cool.
That's pretty metal.
@thebadlander3608 yea "small" it's still a anti tank round and they did work till armor got to thick for anti tank rifles.
The Germans also had something like that with their Panzerbüchse series rifles.
I think those AT rounds bounce around inside that metal box once inside I believe until they’ve expended all their energy.
Watching the round travel that distance that fast on camera is actually noticeably different than normal. Should do slow mo shots with it!
It's like a movie
I was thinking the same thing! I know it's probably just in my head but the time between the shot and hit seems noticeably quicker than usual.
Its absolutely a noticeable difference, no placebo there!@@shaunradomski8625
@@boburanus69 yeah, I noticed that, too. That sh^t was nuts!
we need Ballistic High Speed on it, they can calculate the velocity of a bullet by measuring the shock cone angle, i'd love to see comparison between this, and a .45 bullet
17:11 the head just imploded and leaked out! 😂😂😂
Glad Matt is trying the eargesplitten loudenboomer
That's what I thought...
@@johnreese3176 I was at work (still am) and commented that knowing I can't watch the video until later today, just thought I'd do a funni
17x50BMG...LOL
Not quite. The original .22 Eargersplitten Loundenboomer was a .378 Weatherby case necked down to take a 50 grain, .22 caliber projectile. The company that made the gun (as a custom job for a Guns and Ammo writer) got the same velocities as .17-5.56 but with triple the weight. They also stated they expected the customer to get even higher velocities. I wonder if he broke 5000 fps.
@@darthhodgesthey almost definitely broke 5k
The 17/223 dates back pretty much the introduction of the 223, as soon as wildcatters got their hands on the cases. It was around long enough that PO Ackley included it in his Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders. Remington legitimized it decades ago as the 17 Remington, and it's one of my bucket list ARs to build.
This has a pretty significantly different chamber compared to 17-223, some of the tweaks we made reduce the infamous .17 cal fouling issue along with other throat tweaks to get rid of issues people had with the previous design.
@@kak_industry What's the expected barrel life for that AR? Been a minute since I've messed with 17 Rem, but I have a 700 BDL chambered in it and it's definitely a barrel burner.
@@52Ford At this point in time we can confirm it's better than 17 rem, our original prototype barrel has 2k+ hot rounds through it, it was also used for all pressure testing which was alot. It'll shoot 10 shot sub .5" groups still, that barrel has been abused pretty horrible and cleaned 2 times ever.
Was it around nov 22 1963?
@@52Fordnot long! 😂 2 mag dumps!
Nice to see my home-made rocket launcher explosion made it into your outro! Thanks for having me out for range day!
Hello there Black Gryph0n
Love your stuff! Helped me have fun with singing and actually improve since I was younger!
Absolutely one of your best videos of the year
.220 swift / .22 earsplitter (a 22 bullet loaded into a 30/06 case.) 22-250 all hit or pass 4500 fps. The first 2 can hit or approach 5000fps with a lighter round and hand loading.
The 30.06 accelerator with a hot load will hit them high fps. Now accuracy on the other hand may potentially be less efficient.
22-250 can get smoking fast for a 22cal
is this the eargensplittenloudenboomer?
@@tysonfromm5397nope. The eargesplitten loudenboomer is a 378 weatherby case necked down to take a 50 grain 22 caliber bullet.
243 short mag, 223 short mag, 204 and there’s a few more that hit well over 4000fps
I was honestly half expecting Matt to pull out a 22 eargesplitten loudenboomer, which is a 378 Weatherby necked down to 22 made by P. O. Ackley, one of the big wildcat cartridge developers. But 17-556 is still cool.
They tried making some really heavy for caliber bulllets
Parker Otto was the MAN!
What grain weight and what was the FPS please
@@tomhonda8025 22 eargesplitten loudenboomer at least tested by Ackley was a 50gr projectile and his goal was to go over 5000fps but he only managed about 4600 fps. That seemed to be the limit for the round.
@@HailKosm i seem to recall Roy Weatherby was able to get to 5100fps with a 30 grain copper bullet during some tests for the military using the slowest non canister they had at the time. P.O. used canister to get to 4600. Hutton's loads i have never come across
0:59 the oval office but it’s a triangle when you get in there 😂😂😂😂
Movable walls! People come in, when they go for a pee break, change the setup!
A square is a start ig lol.
@ 😂
Impeached because americans cant take a joke
Stick a cigar in it.
.219 zipper which is a 30-30 case necked down to .219 will shoot 5,000 fps with a fully jacketed bullet. It takes extra heavy jacketed bullet due to the bullet will designate in the barrel
You can hear the difference in the pings, it is substantially different its almost instantaneous after the shot, bloody amazing mate 👌
The 12grain on the watermelon, the melon was gone long before the brass cleared the screen lol
I was somewhat disappointed with the ping, but I realized that more than 80% of the time is just the sound coming back, since it leaves at mach 4+ and returns at mach 1
17 Remington is my favorite cartridge. So glad you're looking at it
It does look like an Ackley Improved version of the .17 Remington
My papa's too
Basically what it is. But the 17 rem would have a little less case capacity.
I know they mightn't have the mass or kick but smaller bullets are super fun, it's the same with cars you don't need hundreds of hp, that's cool and all don't get me wrong but even a light car with under 200 hp can be great fun. Such a shame ppl overlook things like this cause they're cheap, easy to run, always bring a smile to your face and are so easy to mange and use to a high proficiency.
@@t3h51d3w1nd3rcheap?
1:05 “Freaking nation can’t even take a joke…” 😂
We have a joke as the president elect.😅😂😅😂
@@OneCanisLupuscan you give me proof?
@@OneCanisLupus usa sees you as the joke according to the popular vote. You know, that democracy you claim to love only when it turns out in your favor?
@@Dibs-v1nhere we go 🍿
But no, he can’t.
@@OneCanisLupus womp womp
i have a new favorite round now XD
i hope this can become a standard production round sometime soon, that would be awesome!!!
In the late 60's, my dad worked with a rifle smith on several "wildcat cartridges" and rifles to use them in. 4,400 fps out of a .223 necked down to .177. 5k fps is AWESOME. Tough on barrels, though. Thank goodness for hand loading! Love your videos!!! 😎
Glad you are back with content Matt !
yeah
I bought a 2024 honda trail 125. Im gonna mount a gun on the luggage rack
I really appreciated the test against armor, as it demonstrated the oversimplification of the statement "you beat armor with speed".
Impressive velocity for sure the 220 Swift is very fast as well.....great vids
We need Matt to get his hands on the fabled .17 Incinerator.
And then compare that to the .50 Whisper.
That edit of the rifle assembling on the table was sick 😤
damn straight. That be gangsta fly dope edit mix from the 2023 remix album called "nobodygivesashit"
Probably my favorite opening skit on this channel
That cartridge is sick! Made me think of how twisters will stick straw into fence posts.
Have a look at the 220 swift. It was the world's fastest factory cartridge to the best of my knowledge
As far as I know it still is
17 fireball 4k
17 hornet is like 3600
204 ruger is right up there, 4200+ fps depending on the grain of the bullet
The good ol barrel burners
220 Swift is still the fastest production round.
The fastest wildcat round is 22-284 at 6585 FPS.
"Why does the Secret Service wear camo everywhere now Mr President?"
-'Because it's freaking awesome that's why...next question!' 😂
This is America isn't it? Then I don't have to answer stupid questions in my own office. 😂
Matt for President!
No
Respectfully no
Brandon Herrera for president
Matt for VP
Yes@@0mniVerse777
@@pitbullgamer8116 why not?
If you go frame by frame @ 11:47 you can see the small explosion as the ballistic gel implodes again. Pretty cool!
But, I also think you should collab with some slomo/high speed guys.
Had a "varmint" load for my 22-250 with a 34 grain "Barnes Varmint Grenade" bullet that went around 4200 at the muzzle
What’s the application of this velocity on such a small round
I tried them in my .220 Swift. Never could get them to group well, but like the 250, it created a black hole over the chronograph. 🤣
My reloader book doesn't have that one.
40 grain varget can go up to 4135 velocity.
That 34 grain would be cooking for sure!
@@Icantfixmevarmints
@@canadianbaconman I'd have to look to see what book it was in. It's been probably ten years since I messed with Varmint Grenades.
204 Ruger been running those fps for years with factory ammo.
Yep. No issue with 4000 to 4400fps.
4574fps outta mine
Came here to say this, but I was beaten to it. Love my 204 Ruger that's good for 4225fps.
Yep 204 own her. Hand loads and factory over 4200.
i was just reading an article and there are dudes out there putting a 55 grain 556 and placing that in a sabot in a 300 wsm. reported over 5k fps.
5:29 shine bright like a diamond 🗣🔥
His aura 💥
I did some clever pausing, and that watermelon you shot with the brass 5200fps round was exploding before the brass casing even left the ejection port. Thats insane.
Very interesting round. I do have to wonder why it exists tho, because no one ever shot a squirrel with .17HMR and was like "damn, that squirrel needed to die faster"
I've been on to this since the 70's when I was a kid. I had an old break barrel pellet gun (I think it was German made I got it for 10 bucks in a garage sale) .22 cal I also had a .177 crossman pistol. Well one day I wondered what would happen if I flaired out the back and nosed the head of the .177 to fit the .22. Now how fast would it travel. So I took my empty soda cans to the woods to find out. The .177 went so fast that I thought I missed the can.... I had to see just what happened.. So down I went to the spot (About 15 yards) And it clean bored the can and never moved it. Thanks Matt for this video. I also miss my M16 that I carried in my service years too. BEST WEAPON ever made!!
11:22 Matt, chillllll 🤣
At about 11:35 mat after shooting the ballistics gel and say “ I got about 8 inches of penetration” me not thinking as my 9 year old is watching with me I blurt out to my wife “hey so do I”. My sons “huh” was the most priceless reaction of something going over someone’s head 😂
When your son realizes u wanna see it😂 gonna Be one prizeless Life moments😊
17:00 it fractured the skull to make it appear it had a perfect lineup 😂😂
Right 😅
.17 Remington .220 Swift comes to mind 👍👍
is .220swift still made? I´m very hesitant to use any of my 200 rounds I got... never seen any ever since in switzerland
@@Hunne2303 220 swift is sill made. i got 2 new hornady 55 grain boxes
I shot my 220 swift 4220FPS. at that time it was the fastest round. 1980's
204 Ruger can achieve 4450 with 24 grain bullet. Pretty much the same idea, 20 caliber with a necked down 222 case (which is practically same as 223)
When we needed Matt most, they took him away from us
I think this new caliber is going to be best checked out on a sunny day with ballistic high speed 😎 awesome idea for a collaboration video
Haven’t seen you in a while old man!! glad to see I’m not the only one going gray..😀
16:53 "Not as crazy as i thought it was gonna be"
Cut to: man's skull fracturing in 10 places
Good Job Mr Precident
I absolutely love this fat electrician and demo ranch collab. My 2 absolutely favorite creators. Its gold every time. Have we witnessed a best friendship develope? ❤❤❤
i bet barrel manufacturers would love to have that round go mainstream !
I literally look forward to watching the beginning of your videos to see what kind of skit you’re doing. Hands down my favorite part of the videos💯 . Don’t ever stop…or else..
Or else we are going to have some words😂
You literally look forwards? Well, you wouldn't be looking backwards, so yeah. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@YFZriderdude15you’re not tapping
That thing reminds me of the Eargesplitten Loudenboomer.
It booms LOUD.
17 incinerator
this actually goes faster then that round.
the maxed out at 4600ft/s
4:28 i was not ready for that hard ass edit
KAK again showing that they're easily one of the coolest and most based gun companies out there. God bless KAK.
You've got the coolest job in the whole fuckin world bro. Thanks for letting me watch.
i don't think the veterinary is the best job in the world, but ok
It’s free to watch if you don’t count the price of the phone/device, the internet service, electricity…🙄
4:10 AND; Since this is an Educational Channel, we're happy to mention that the kinetic energy increases with the Square of the velocity, not just on a one-to-one basis...🤓🐕🐕
Gotta love physics
And is why tanks now fling tungsten at each other at mach fuck
@yaboiminecraff lol...that's pretty fast
@@jmanj3917 approximately 4 holy shits fast
The kinetic energy should remain the same though (ignoring drag due to air resistance, which also increases with the square of velocity) because no matter the mass of the bullet, the energy source is the same, the gun powder in the cartridge. And if you want to go even deeper into it, you can mention that the faster round will probably have less kinetic energy because it leaves the barrel sooner meaning less efficiency of turning the chemical energy of the gun powder into kinetic energy.
the M829A1 120mm APFSDS penetrator from an M1 Abrams has a muzzle velocity of around 5200 foot per second .
Note that this is a sabot round, and the Abrams has a smoothbore. That kid of velocity would melt the rifling of a typical rifle in only a few rounds.
17 Remington. (Do you boys think nothing happened before your birthdays?
Ah, youth.) Keep up the fun work! :)
Eargesplitten Loudenboomer?
Even better .17 vs .22
This is eargensplitten loudenboomer. It boomer louden und splitten eargen :)
It’s a good day when demo ranch post
X2
Matt's just planting the seeds for his eventual run. MAMA. Make America Matt Again.
Awesome video as all ways Matt! Loved the Tyler line at 14:38 51-50, I'M OFF THE HEEZY! 🤣
at 12:05 the ballistics gel turns into a glowing cube which is a nice effect
A 50 grain .243 is in the 4000 fps. Loved the video.
With that velocity I would start to worry about the friction of the bullet in the barrel getting so hot that the jacket may begin to melt.
The ballistic hi-speed guys need to be called to see if this is going on.
Plus they can get some epic footage of impacts!!
Love you and your channel Matt!
The barrel won't last for long, that's for sure. Simple physics
Rather, the bullet jacket will be torn off the rifling, simply cutting off the outer part like a file, friction will do its job, rather in that it will also reduce the diameter of the bullet. All this will lead to the breakthrough of gases in front of the bullet and its deceleration/non-acceleration. In order to be faster, you need other rifling parameters, most likely progressive rifling, it is possible to be necessary to change the alloy of the jacket. And also the barrel coating is likely to quickly become unusable due to abrasion. I'm not sure if this will happen in this particular case, but it will all happen at some point if you accelerate the bullet more and more
Have a friend that has a .177 made by Remington, a centerfire, reloadable it is over 16 years old!
Remington Premier Accutip .17 20 Grain AccuTip-V Centerfire …
Caliber: .17 Remington, Number of Rounds: 20, Bullet Type: Spitzer Boat Tail (SBT), Bullet Weight: 20 grain, Cartridge Case Material: Brass, Muzzle Velocity: 4250 ft/s, Muzzle Energy: 802 ft-lbs, …
that was an impressive throw at the end
Thank you Kak for bringing us the first real episode of demolition ranch in a decade
No joke. Guy is so loaded from all his fans buying his merchandise he doesn't have to be an entertainer anymore. Just another celebrity selling garbage to idiots. It's s shame.
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Pretty similar to a .17 remington fireball just hopped up a little
One mile per second....thats insane speed from a bullet. Great show....very interesting.
14:57 wind resistance has entered the chat
video starts a 3:00
Thanks genius
Goated
You da real mvp
Been a fan of the 204 for years just because of the reasons you showed on the speed/energy dumped. Some great videos out there of like 400yds on a coyote cold w/ wind. Looking forward to more on this one at greater distance & varied weather conditions
Dang, you got me.
I would have not thought. Great show
I CAN NOT believe you missed the opportunity to call it the Tri-Oval office. Rookie moves here, Matt.
Lol
Barrel life. 1 magazine
Hell yeah brother!!
Painting the White House multi-cam black.. honestly needs to be accomplished 🤘🏼
That rifle would sell exceptionally well in South Africa 😂 ek soek ‘n kak geweer
Go figure, matt would spend all day playing with KAK
@Jarrod-jb85 kak snaaks
'playing with shit' is the translation btw
Don't worry, Matt. I too, believe that the Triangular Office would be funny.
Idea here ! Make body armor with multiple construction metal rods some in vertical some horizontal maybe it’s strong enough for some ammo!?
I'm sure this is addressed somewhere in the 4500+ comments but this is simple physics: KE (kinetic energy) is directly proportional to the mass and also proportional to the square of the velocity. So tacking on another 1500 fps (50%) to the velocity is an exponential gain for the KE. The small reduction in KE from the reduced (bullet) mass is negligible compared to the massive gain in KE from the increase in velocity. KE=1/2mv^2
But does it retain that energy? More mass means more inertia means better range. This thing can go super duper fast but it also get super duper slow.
The gun is definitely hot. ;) 18:10
My gran was brutally sucker punched in Austria last week.
@@AITCHESSPEEoh wow. Is the suspects hand ok?
I have to say you have gone from what I found your lack of knowledge and experience to painful to watch to actually accomplishing a consistent bullet speed I didn't expect anyone could achieve. Very impressive. I am now in awe of what you have done. I'm feeling silly for underestimating you so badly. Thank you for showing your tremendous achievement
A while back I was reading about wildcat rounds, and apparently there was a guy back in the 60s trying to make a .22 round that could hit 5000fps. The cartridge was a .378 Weatherby necked down to .22. He managed to get it as fast as 4600fps, but my favorite part is that he called this round the 22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer. lol
Matt, have you forgotten about the 220 Swift or the .17 Remington? Both are (or were) commercially available factory loads over 4000 fps. .17 Remington IS based on a necked down 223 Rem and factory loads are around 4200 fps. Reload dies and data available for each.
Whatever you do, don't try to fire any 220 Swift reloaded with gas-checked cast .22 bullets. 8-) The bullets won't reach a target at 50 yards. The gas check might, but melted lead will be generously splattered on the ground. And barrel leading is extreme.
Back in the early '70's I met a cartridge collector that had a (novelty) .50 BMG case necked down to .22 caliber. Had it mounted on a display with a .221 Fireball, a .223 Rem, a 22-250, and a 220 Swift. The big one he labeled .22-5000.
Came to the comment section to post about .220 Swift. Dad had one in the '80s, it would absolutely detonate birds into a rain of feathers.
Makes me wonder what the upper limit for velocity of a bullet is. My guess is you would eventually reach a point where the bullet just melts before exiting the barrel. Or if not using lead projectiles, maybe it just Burns up in the air similar to a meteor entering the atmosphere?😅
Either way that would be awesome! Matt, maybe a new series for Demo Ranch?
I believe this is about the limit, the powder can only burn so fast and push gas so fast, using a faster burning powder could lead to a detonation like Scott had with his 50 slap rounds. So this is about as fast as you can push a bullet with modern propelents, and not risk blowing up the gun.
That’s actually a pretty significant problem with Rail Guns like what the Navy is testing. They can launch a projectile so fast it literally catches on fire from atmospheric resistance it looks like the rail gun is shooting lava. Material penetration is absolutely insane though, easily going through multiple walls set up like ship hulls.
There is a theoretical upper limit on velocity, based on the molecular mass of the combustion product gases, and the temperature of those combustion gases. Even if you fire no projectile at all, the gases will not leave the barrel faster than the upper limit related to the molecular mass and temperature of those gases.
In practice, for nitrocellulose based gunpowder, the upper practical projectile velocity limit is roughly 5200 feet per second, as demonstrated in this video. Slightly higher may be possible, but with very severely diminishing returns that make higher velocities very impractical. Even that value (5200 feet per second) is well beyond the optimum "sweet spot" that balances propulsion efficiency with desire for high velocity.
A lighter molecular mass gas propellant, such as pure hydrogen gas at high temperature, has substantially higher velocity potential compared to nitrocellulose gunpowder. A hot hydrogen gun could theoretically fire projectiles at more than 3x the velocity of nitrocellulose gunpowder, and since kinetic energy goes up with the square of velocity (ex: KE = 0.5m(v^2)), such a projectile could achieve upwards of 10x or more kinetic energy density, compared to conventionally designed firearms. Such a device could theoretically enable a single infantryman portable weapon to fire projectiles fast enough to penetrate modern tank armor.
One way to build such a device, might be to take an electric motorcycle, and then mount a large capacitor bank and high voltage power supply on it (that charges the capacitor bank from the electric motorcycle's traction battery). From the capacitor bank mounted on the motorcycle body, one could run two (flexible) wires to a gun barrel, which uses a powerful electric arc discharge (from the capacitor bank) to vaporize a propellant block made of lithium hydride (LiH). When heated sufficiently by the electric arc, the LiH would decompose into hot hydrogen gas and lithium metal vapor. The resulting gases would have much lower molecular mass compared to nitrocellulose gunpowder, resulting in much higher maximum potential projectile velocity.
However, such a device would have problems with barrel fouling, due to buildup of lithium metal (which would want to oxidize and absorb water from the atmosphere to make lithium hydroxide. To prevent excessive barrel fouling, the user may need to run a solvent (such as ordinary water) through the barrel between every few shots, to remove the lithium metal/lithium oxide/lithium hydroxide buildup. Additionally, the user would likely want to wear protective eyewear and a respirator, as lithium hydride, lithium oxide, and lithium hydroxide are all unpleasant and harmful to the wet mucus membranes of human eyes, nose, and lungs. Such device, if built large enough and powerfully enough, would however likely have some military utility as an infantry weapon, as it could potentially destroy modern tanks, APCs, and attack helicopters.
Notably fast! Put some tungsten tips in the casing.
Heck yea
Beautiful! Now can we see a .17 HMR x 6.5 Creed fusion haha
15:19 Small game you say? I hope you like ground rabbit meat that takes an hour to collect! 😂
Yep. For exterminating pests, not for eating!
More like for making prairie dog mist which is def fun to do
@ryanphillips8834 OK Dahmer!!
Put it in a 50 bmg case next
Now we're talkin! The round would probably disintegrate before exiting the barrel though. Would be cool as hell to test regardless
Not sure where you searched for rounds close to 4500, but the 220 swift and the 22-250 are both over 4000 from factory, handloads closer to 4400. That's from a 1935 round, so not exactly new. I've shot from both decades ago and they are fast. The 220 swift iirc we handloaded to about 4600 or 4700 fps using AR powders from ADI. Been so long I'm struggling to remember. Maybe your internet search or handloader books have the same problem as me and forgot about these two rounds... ;) Then there's also the .17 Rem and some others...
Also a newer hot round is the Ruger 204 running over 4k the .222 Remington Magnum was not quite at 4K but close.
Well fella i dont think your aware of all the ballistics for the 204R. The 24gn NTX hangs with that thing all day long at 4400 fps...& thats factory loads.
But that little thing is sweet to dont get me wrong. I was wondering when they were gonna neck the 223/556 down to .17 call cuz its such an efficient case.
.220 swifts been doing well over 4000 fps for 70+ years or so.
Check out the 17 Remington made in 1980. It was a .223 with the case necked down to .17 with a velocity of 4000+ fps. They just recreated a 44 year old Remington round. Living in El Paso then it was popular for hunting coyotes.