Seen People say Essendon have had a easy draw but we played 7 of last Year's Top 8 in the first 9 games and had 4 Interstate games in the first 8 Games yes we have only beaten 1 current Top 8 GWS but we also played Sydney in Sydney, St.kilda, Port Adelaide in Adelaide, Adelaide in Adelaide, Bulldogs, Collingwood, GWS who all were in the 8 Last Year also West Coast in Perth, Hawthorn and North Melbourne and while i understand people saying but this year lot of those aren,t dosen't mean they are bad either
Why doesn't sydney Swans play a home game in newcastle? I live in newcastle there would be about 5,000 people from newcastle that would go to the game plus 5,000 from Sydney would come up. Newcastle number 1 sports ground just had an eight million dollar redovelopment and can host afl match's.
Because the AFL signed a 30 Year Deal with the SCG to play 11 matches/year. The Swans have no say in this deal. They did have a say in the Stadium Australia deal when the government wanted to turn it into an oblong. Because they complained to the AFL that Swans fans did not want to go to Stadium Australia, This was of course before the Newcastle development & there was not a ground big enough to host AFL Footy. I can't see why the reserves can't play in Newcastle though. It would be good for Newcastle & good for the players.
@@aussieblackwell That's good to hear. Its got the location, it already has the Knights stadium and the Knights center of excellence nearby, and Broadmeadow station is nearby as well. Great spot for a sports precinct.
@B-tr9kz oh absolutely perfect spot for those living in Newcastle and easy to make the trip up from Sydney, also have Newcastle Airport not that far for interstate players/fans
Suns and Lions need to play home and away matches at Darwin Cairns and Alice. If home and away then it doesn't disadvantage the Victorian clubs. GC vs Melb (H/A) GC vs North (H/A) Brisb vs Hawks (H/A) Brisb vs Bulldogs (H/A)... Straight away that is 8 matches. It gives Darwin great access to multiple footy teams. The AFL just has to commit to it, so fans can get engaged in supporting teams and taking up memberships... In reality GC could play 4 matches at Darwin. In fact if you have North Melb too playing Brisb and GC at Darwin then they could play 3 to 4 matches at Darwin. If a total commitment by North then they will get more fans and members.
Look at the amount of money and facilities that Fremantle got from City of Cockburn. They left Freo and moved 12km down the road. Brand new facility, with rec centre, gym, pool, waterside park etc... Freo became the main tenant. Anything in place at Fremantle oval and within Fremantle just couldn't compete. North should do likewise.
@@tubester4567 Moving for Freo meant that got top facilities basically free of charge. Based around a new Community hub its a huge advantage in set up and going forward, especially with costs etc. North never should have re-established Arden St. Essendon has moved. Hawks have moved twice... all about getting good facilities. In North's case they would get a huge benefit from the local government sector and pick up fans and corporate support. If they miss that opportunity, you'll only get clubs like Collingwood developing a strong presence in the area and working with communities etc. They won't play hard to get. They'll run programs and develop community centres in those outer suburbs and North will miss out again.
@@tubester4567 I'm not sure why you think moving would help Freo's performance, apart from better training facilities. Some players do like good facilities, but for many its not a big deal. Its well known that West Coast have the best training facilities in Australia. But Dockers is still excellent. Freo has moved into Cockburn and many Fremantle fans already live south of the river. In the case, of North they would be moving into an area that either don't know about footy or where they have 1/10th of any footy fans... probably less.
@@BDub2024 Well Eddie and others are saying North should move, to make them more successful/viable/popular otherwise whats the point of moving?. This can work in some cases but mostly fails. Hawthorn moved to VFL park in 2006 and were told they will get new fans in the highly populated South East, from Dandenong-Pakenham and sponsors from the huge industrial base there . After over a decade none of that happened and Hawks spent millions to build a new base in Dingley which still isnt finished due to costs and covid. StKilda spent a fortune to build a new base at Seaford signing lease agreements until 2060.....with the same promises of growing support from Frankston and down the Mornington peninsular. Saints started training there in 2010. Players and staff hated it, almost immediately and by 2018 they were back at Moorabbin ,after spending more millions to re-develop it. Its kind of funny people like Eddy push for clubs to move out of inner Melbourne to the outskirts but I remember when VFL park Waverley was closed and the main reason given it was "too far" to travel for most supporters, sponsors and the inner city AFL/media elite From memory Eddie was one of the biggest supporters of closing VFL park and building Marvel/Docklands in the city centre. Freo moving training grounds 10 minutes away works fine in a 2 team town, and your home stadium is still in the city centre. North has around 51,000 members last few years even while getting hammered every week by 10+ goals. Thats In a city with 9 teams. Freo has around 56.000 members in a 2 team town. Lack of supporters or facilities is not North's problem. .
@@tubester4567 coincidentally just read an old article from Caro Wilson expressing concern about Hawks leaving their heartland for Dingley... I'll answer your rest of your message in a sec. I did notice that Essendon moved 8.5km down the road to the airport for new training facilities.
Reduce numbers may help fill teams in over saturated areas in Victoria but has the opposite effect in alot of areas too. I coach a women's team in the Pilbara in North WA and our team and every other team in our comp has about 40 girls ranging from 15-40+ years old. We don't have enough players to have Seniors and Reserves but still have to drop 10+ players per week depending on availability. Our comp is 4 seasons old and reducing players on the field reduces participation which will affect the development of the game at grass roots level. All of our junior clubs are full and turning kids away. How does reducing the amount of kids able to participate benefit them? I understand the visual aspect of it looking better on TV at elite level but it's not the same for grass roots footy.
Bartel says go to where the population is, the problem is that with all of these new sprawling suburbs barely anyone lives there. A few high rises in the cbd has more people than entire suburbs on the urban fringe. One of the side effects of building only houses for as far as the eye can see. Kalkallo has a population of less than 6,000, it doesn't have a train station and is remote to the nearest sprawling suburb which also doesn't have a train station. Even with the mayor being a supporter it wouldn't be appealing for fans or players. You are essentially moving to the country. From southern cross to commute to Kalkallo by public transport it takes 2 hours, twice as long as it takes to get to Geelong from Southern cross. Keep in mind North Melbourne has a population of over 14,000 so they would be significantly reducing the population of the suburb they are situated in if they move. Surely it would be far more advantageous to move to Canberra which has a population of over 395,000 people or Newcastle which has a population of over 322,000. Important to keep in mind that fans in Melbourne in particular don't have a geographic connection with the team they support so the whole idea of moving to another part of Melbourne to increase support lacks validity. At the end of the day there is a big drop off from the big 3 Melbourne sides in terms of support and there is a significant drop off in support from the other Melbourne teams to North Melbourne. Moving to a tiny remote suburb isn't going to change that, need to either relegate them to the VFL or have them relocate.
I completely agree with everything you have said with one exception. The belt from kalallo through Donnybrook to Wollert is the fastest growing region anywhere in Australia and I think would also be right up there with anywhere in the developed world. Expected population increase of 350k in 5 years, with quite literally 1000’s of homes being built every month. Will become a new sub city in Melbourne over the next decade. Although I agree it is basically regional Victoria and a terrible place to build a training base.
Its a smart thing to move North into a northern suburb that is set to explode in numbers. You'll get the council throwing in support. A whole new group of immigrants will learn about AFL as the team will visit the kids. Have displays at shopping centres. Or even have big billboards around the suburb with North boys on it. The home ground then includes a community rec centre with pool and gyms etc. Create business opportunities for the players so they get involved in the community too. North could even get involved with a few shires up there. They're being propped up by AFL so they should give some back. Its a no brainer. I believe they should leave Arden St, but Eddie says stay. Bendigo is another issue. But the model is set up that North will ultimately fold. The big clubs in Melbourne are getting all the sponsorship coverage and money. Sooner or later they'll pressure the AFL as they will want to use their millions to win premierships. Then North will fold. So North need to do something to boost their money now.
When are the Perth teams getting fairness with travel. I reckon its been unfair for 35 years. But now that we also have Gatherround its a slap n the face. How can Eagles and Dockers possibly be given another weekend of travelling. Its a joke. Eagles and Dockers should play a derby in Perth that weekend.
Eagles and Dockers have had to play at 12 and 12.30 this year respectively (Melb time). Remembering that Perth is two hours behind, it means that the Eagles are playing at 10am and are waking up and having their carbs at 6am in the morning. Ridiculous. AFL need to be better.
Why do Sydney need an academy anymore? They’ve literally been in or around the top 8 for the past 20 years. Don’t other clubs like North Melbourne or Tasmania need those players?
Eddie always thinking about how to grow, while way too many in the AFL stuck on 'tradition'. North made a terrible decision redeveloping Arden Street facilities a few years back. Its a small inner city suburb only a few miles from numerous other teams facilities, no room for growth and no where near where their brand needs to be. Their brand has the sprawling and booming northern suburbs yet they ignored it because of narrow, 'traditional' thinking. This might cost the team for good. Let's hope this conversation inspired some power brokers there to think big and put the team's future, and not the past, first.
North must go north. Pull their weight. Grow the game. But most importantly grow their supporter base. Currently they're a quarter of Collingwood for example... Without getting coverage and without success this will continue to deteriorate. North has to think creatively to get a big fan base of new people to the game. They must get new facilities from a local govt, community centre, promote the club at shopping centres, billboards in the area... AFL can really work it hard and in 4 years time North will start getting real success and they'll bring new people to the game. Council can contribute free tickets... I think its vitally important. Then even consider games in Bendigo or play Sydney and GWS in Canberra... and get a sponsorship. But its absolutely basic commonsense about northern Melbourne. If they were still playing at local grounds then I would still be urging them to play in the outer suburbs.
Why does eddie keep shilling footy in the outer northern suburbs from his ivory tower in the east? It's not the same suburb he grew up in! The new people who live there do not care about AFL footy
That's actually the whole point. The northern suburbs are growth potential and many don't have a team and if you get there first and put your brand in that space (which North should do) you make money.
Let’s move Eddie to Kalkallo.
Right. Moving them isnt going to change anything. Their location or facilities isnt the problem.
Seen People say Essendon have had a easy draw but we played 7 of last Year's Top 8 in the first 9 games and had 4 Interstate games in the first 8 Games yes we have only beaten 1 current Top 8 GWS but we also played Sydney in Sydney, St.kilda, Port Adelaide in Adelaide, Adelaide in Adelaide, Bulldogs, Collingwood, GWS who all were in the 8 Last Year also West Coast in Perth, Hawthorn and North Melbourne and while i understand people saying but this year lot of those aren,t dosen't mean they are bad either
Why doesn't sydney Swans play a home game in newcastle? I live in newcastle there would be about 5,000 people from newcastle that would go to the game plus 5,000 from Sydney would come up. Newcastle number 1 sports ground just had an eight million dollar redovelopment and can host afl match's.
They should turn the race track next to McDonald Jones Stadium into a 10-15,000 seat oval stadium. Would turn the place into a awesome sports precinct
@@B-tr9kzThere's been talk about cricket buying the race track and building a stadium there, which would suit both cricket and AFL
Because the AFL signed a 30 Year Deal with the SCG to play 11 matches/year. The Swans have no say in this deal. They did have a say in the Stadium Australia deal when the government wanted to turn it into an oblong. Because they complained to the AFL that Swans fans did not want to go to Stadium Australia, This was of course before the Newcastle development & there was not a ground big enough to host AFL Footy.
I can't see why the reserves can't play in Newcastle though. It would be good for Newcastle & good for the players.
@@aussieblackwell That's good to hear. Its got the location, it already has the Knights stadium and the Knights center of excellence nearby, and Broadmeadow station is nearby as well. Great spot for a sports precinct.
@B-tr9kz oh absolutely perfect spot for those living in Newcastle and easy to make the trip up from Sydney, also have Newcastle Airport not that far for interstate players/fans
North Should Try Ballarat Again.
Suns and Lions need to play home and away matches at Darwin Cairns and Alice. If home and away then it doesn't disadvantage the Victorian clubs. GC vs Melb (H/A) GC vs North (H/A) Brisb vs Hawks (H/A) Brisb vs Bulldogs (H/A)... Straight away that is 8 matches. It gives Darwin great access to multiple footy teams. The AFL just has to commit to it, so fans can get engaged in supporting teams and taking up memberships... In reality GC could play 4 matches at Darwin. In fact if you have North Melb too playing Brisb and GC at Darwin then they could play 3 to 4 matches at Darwin. If a total commitment by North then they will get more fans and members.
But Carlton had the hardest run to R10 so it makes sense to have an easier run home.
Best not try and talk sense, some people dont appreciate it anymore.
Look at the amount of money and facilities that Fremantle got from City of Cockburn. They left Freo and moved 12km down the road. Brand new facility, with rec centre, gym, pool, waterside park etc... Freo became the main tenant. Anything in place at Fremantle oval and within Fremantle just couldn't compete. North should do likewise.
Moving didnt improve freo's performance, players or attract thousands of new fans. Norths problems are not caused by location or facilities.
@@tubester4567 Moving for Freo meant that got top facilities basically free of charge. Based around a new Community hub its a huge advantage in set up and going forward, especially with costs etc. North never should have re-established Arden St. Essendon has moved. Hawks have moved twice... all about getting good facilities. In North's case they would get a huge benefit from the local government sector and pick up fans and corporate support. If they miss that opportunity, you'll only get clubs like Collingwood developing a strong presence in the area and working with communities etc. They won't play hard to get. They'll run programs and develop community centres in those outer suburbs and North will miss out again.
@@tubester4567 I'm not sure why you think moving would help Freo's performance, apart from better training facilities. Some players do like good facilities, but for many its not a big deal. Its well known that West Coast have the best training facilities in Australia. But Dockers is still excellent. Freo has moved into Cockburn and many Fremantle fans already live south of the river. In the case, of North they would be moving into an area that either don't know about footy or where they have 1/10th of any footy fans... probably less.
@@BDub2024 Well Eddie and others are saying North should move, to make them more successful/viable/popular otherwise whats the point of moving?. This can work in some cases but mostly fails. Hawthorn moved to VFL park in 2006 and were told they will get new fans in the highly populated South East, from Dandenong-Pakenham and sponsors from the huge industrial base there . After over a decade none of that happened and Hawks spent millions to build a new base in Dingley which still isnt finished due to costs and covid.
StKilda spent a fortune to build a new base at Seaford signing lease agreements until 2060.....with the same promises of growing support from Frankston and down the Mornington peninsular. Saints started training there in 2010. Players and staff hated it, almost immediately and by 2018 they were back at Moorabbin ,after spending more millions to re-develop it.
Its kind of funny people like Eddy push for clubs to move out of inner Melbourne to the outskirts but I remember when VFL park Waverley was closed and the main reason given it was "too far" to travel for most supporters, sponsors and the inner city AFL/media elite
From memory Eddie was one of the biggest supporters of closing VFL park and building Marvel/Docklands in the city centre.
Freo moving training grounds 10 minutes away works fine in a 2 team town, and your home stadium is still in the city centre.
North has around 51,000 members last few years even while getting hammered every week by 10+ goals. Thats In a city with 9 teams. Freo has around 56.000 members in a 2 team town.
Lack of supporters or facilities is not North's problem.
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@@tubester4567 coincidentally just read an old article from Caro Wilson expressing concern about Hawks leaving their heartland for Dingley... I'll answer your rest of your message in a sec. I did notice that Essendon moved 8.5km down the road to the airport for new training facilities.
Reduce numbers may help fill teams in over saturated areas in Victoria but has the opposite effect in alot of areas too.
I coach a women's team in the Pilbara in North WA and our team and every other team in our comp has about 40 girls ranging from 15-40+ years old. We don't have enough players to have Seniors and Reserves but still have to drop 10+ players per week depending on availability.
Our comp is 4 seasons old and reducing players on the field reduces participation which will affect the development of the game at grass roots level.
All of our junior clubs are full and turning kids away. How does reducing the amount of kids able to participate benefit them?
I understand the visual aspect of it looking better on TV at elite level but it's not the same for grass roots footy.
Bartel says go to where the population is, the problem is that with all of these new sprawling suburbs barely anyone lives there. A few high rises in the cbd has more people than entire suburbs on the urban fringe. One of the side effects of building only houses for as far as the eye can see. Kalkallo has a population of less than 6,000, it doesn't have a train station and is remote to the nearest sprawling suburb which also doesn't have a train station. Even with the mayor being a supporter it wouldn't be appealing for fans or players. You are essentially moving to the country. From southern cross to commute to Kalkallo by public transport it takes 2 hours, twice as long as it takes to get to Geelong from Southern cross. Keep in mind North Melbourne has a population of over 14,000 so they would be significantly reducing the population of the suburb they are situated in if they move. Surely it would be far more advantageous to move to Canberra which has a population of over 395,000 people or Newcastle which has a population of over 322,000. Important to keep in mind that fans in Melbourne in particular don't have a geographic connection with the team they support so the whole idea of moving to another part of Melbourne to increase support lacks validity. At the end of the day there is a big drop off from the big 3 Melbourne sides in terms of support and there is a significant drop off in support from the other Melbourne teams to North Melbourne. Moving to a tiny remote suburb isn't going to change that, need to either relegate them to the VFL or have them relocate.
haha mate I take the train from Kalkallo to southern cross every weekend for footy and its only 30 minutes. Not 2 hours like you said
I completely agree with everything you have said with one exception. The belt from kalallo through Donnybrook to Wollert is the fastest growing region anywhere in Australia and I think would also be right up there with anywhere in the developed world. Expected population increase of 350k in 5 years, with quite literally 1000’s of homes being built every month. Will become a new sub city in Melbourne over the next decade. Although I agree it is basically regional Victoria and a terrible place to build a training base.
North Melbourne might have a population of 14,000 but how many of them participate in Aussie Rules footy? About 1,000? The rest play soccer
and of that population, many could not care less about afl footy and never will
Its a smart thing to move North into a northern suburb that is set to explode in numbers. You'll get the council throwing in support. A whole new group of immigrants will learn about AFL as the team will visit the kids. Have displays at shopping centres. Or even have big billboards around the suburb with North boys on it. The home ground then includes a community rec centre with pool and gyms etc. Create business opportunities for the players so they get involved in the community too. North could even get involved with a few shires up there. They're being propped up by AFL so they should give some back. Its a no brainer. I believe they should leave Arden St, but Eddie says stay. Bendigo is another issue. But the model is set up that North will ultimately fold. The big clubs in Melbourne are getting all the sponsorship coverage and money. Sooner or later they'll pressure the AFL as they will want to use their millions to win premierships. Then North will fold. So North need to do something to boost their money now.
imagine if all of eddies rule changes had been implemented
When are the Perth teams getting fairness with travel. I reckon its been unfair for 35 years. But now that we also have Gatherround its a slap n the face. How can Eagles and Dockers possibly be given another weekend of travelling. Its a joke. Eagles and Dockers should play a derby in Perth that weekend.
Eagles and Dockers have had to play at 12 and 12.30 this year respectively (Melb time). Remembering that Perth is two hours behind, it means that the Eagles are playing at 10am and are waking up and having their carbs at 6am in the morning. Ridiculous. AFL need to be better.
Why did Collingwood remove the Australian flag from their emblem ??
Have to make room for the rainbow flag.
Simple. Aussie flag is cringe.
New logo looks way better. Even people who hate Collingwood acknowledge that the new logo is really good.
Collingwood went woke when Eddie left. They'd rather have the Torres Island flag than an Australian flag.
Because they became radical woke activists and they all think the Australian flag is racist for some reason.
Why do Sydney need an academy anymore? They’ve literally been in or around the top 8 for the past 20 years. Don’t other clubs like North Melbourne or Tasmania need those players?
Because the point is to develop talent in NSW. And it doesn't work unless it is aligned with a club.
Retro round. No centre square. Mud everywhere...
Hardly normal....flog
Why Do We Have An NGA Academy But! No One Uses It To Draft Players.
Of course it makes sense to have 16 players, but AFL fans are a conservative mob and not having 18 players may be a step too far.
Even if the Indians don't play footy much, they'll become familiar with it and follow a team. And then maybe their kids or grandkids will play footy.
Not sure, recon there's Gunna be a lot of Indian cricket players coming through over the next 4 or 5 years ..
Eddie always thinking about how to grow, while way too many in the AFL stuck on 'tradition'.
North made a terrible decision redeveloping Arden Street facilities a few years back.
Its a small inner city suburb only a few miles from numerous other teams facilities, no room for growth and no where near where their brand needs to be.
Their brand has the sprawling and booming northern suburbs yet they ignored it because of narrow, 'traditional' thinking.
This might cost the team for good.
Let's hope this conversation inspired some power brokers there to think big and put the team's future, and not the past, first.
Eddie was a private school boy, ask any of the boys from around Coolaroo. He tells a lot of fibs.
He was a scholarship boy to Christian Bros College St Kilda. His uncle was a journalist & helped him get a cadetship
@@wolftone57 Yep, and CBC st kilda was hardly 'elite', it was middle of the road Catholic school.
@@AZ2PM Yes I know. I lived in St Kilda
Your joking. That place was like a prison. I WAS AN INMATE.
@@AZ2PM Still a Christian Brothers private school, I mean its not Broady Tech is it?
I love Eddie but surely he has enough money to fix the gap in his teeth. The hissing is unbearable
North must go north. Pull their weight. Grow the game. But most importantly grow their supporter base. Currently they're a quarter of Collingwood for example... Without getting coverage and without success this will continue to deteriorate. North has to think creatively to get a big fan base of new people to the game. They must get new facilities from a local govt, community centre, promote the club at shopping centres, billboards in the area... AFL can really work it hard and in 4 years time North will start getting real success and they'll bring new people to the game. Council can contribute free tickets... I think its vitally important. Then even consider games in Bendigo or play Sydney and GWS in Canberra... and get a sponsorship. But its absolutely basic commonsense about northern Melbourne. If they were still playing at local grounds then I would still be urging them to play in the outer suburbs.
Why does eddie keep shilling footy in the outer northern suburbs from his ivory tower in the east? It's not the same suburb he grew up in! The new people who live there do not care about AFL footy
Narcissism, he is so wrapt up in trying to create something that people can thank him for. Tosser of the highest order
Football is rigged. It’s all about who your dad knows and whose palms you can grease. Rich, private school kids will always get priority.
@@australian2 To a certain extent that is true.
@@australian2 Clubs do look at your pedigree when they consider recruiting you. In that sense you are correct.
That's actually the whole point.
The northern suburbs are growth potential and many don't have a team and if you get there first and put your brand in that space (which North should do) you make money.