Starfield - 8 Things You NEED To Know Before Playing Stealth
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- Our Starfield review covered many things but STEALTH was not one of them. Today we cover 8 things you need to know to play stealth in the best way and have FUN with your stealth build, be it a sniper build or an operative! This tips and tricks Starfield guide is free of spoilers (besides the last thing which has a spoiler warning) & full of excitement as always! Bethesda Game Studios has made a sensational game and we are so PUMPED to be covering it!
STARFIELD GUIDE TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:03 - Starfield Stealth is NOT like Skyrim (or Fallout)
2:46 - Suppressor ON, Spacesuit OFF (beginners guide)
5:51 - Stealth Sniper Build OR Operative? Decide EARLY
13:47 - Stealth Melee will be a problem for most
17:01 - How to Rank Stealth & Concealment Skills
20:43 - Sneak Attack Multiplier (not straightforward)
23:50 - Bonus Tips (Operative Suit, Character Creation & More)
25:22 - Secret SPOILERS Tips for Stealth
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While I think there is some weird jank with the instances AI detect you, I really love the fact that they'll shoot at the spot your shots are coming from, even if they can't see you. How enemies react in general is spot on.
It's equal in Fallout 4 man, nothing new!
@@74153080 I don't know, I played quite a bit of Fallout 4 and I never noticed enemies firing until I was 100% detected. Like yeah, stealth in Starfield is much much closer to Fallout to the extent that I don't even know why anyone is bringing up Skyrim here, but there are some changes I noticed.
@@74153080literally not true but chat shit my dude
@@74153080 did anyone say it was?
They have been doing that since FO3 but AI then was dumber than dirt and they may not fire at you if they could see you. Not many gun users in Skyrim so less notable but in FO4 and FO76 they are all over the place shooting in your sneaky general direction.
In Skyrim, it was never my intention to even go for a stealth build really. But naturally I would sneak around quite a lot, because of how useful it is. Which would result in my stealth attribute levelling up. Which made it even easier... so I did it even more...
I kinda miss skills leveling through use
@@MrScrawnjuan Yeah that's one of my favourite things about Skyrim.
@@MrScrawnjuan I mean the starfield system is essentially a play on that. For instance my next sniper certification rank cost one point. I have the point. But it’s locked until I get 150 scoped weapon kills. It’s essentially a play on the same mechanic. You can’t just spec any skill you have points for. You have to learn them basically
Bethesda robbed us melee stealth build players of a stealth kill animation. I would have been fine with the same stealth kill animation from Skyrim. Even if stealth is more difficult it would be all the more satisfying
Agreed, I don't know how they forgot to add them
I've been thinking they will have a paid mod for it. That would be shady.
I don’t mind stealth being more difficult but melee is just so stupid in this game and I love this game. Give us some melee finisher animations stealth takedown animations for gods sake. Skyrim had like 50+ animations when you killed someone.
Actually I was always turning off all kill animations and all slow motion kill animations in Skyrim and Fallouts xD
Yup. This is a perfect assessment of the stealth build. Exactly correct - especially melee stealth to get concealment is criminally, badly designed.
Melee in general
Nah, its just less specialized. In Skyrim, an assassin who gets detected is most likely just dead. In Starfield, an assassin who gets detected will pull out a gun and continue the fight.
Skyrim punishes assassins for not doing assassin things. Starfield doesn't. Not good/bad game design, just preference.
I’m pretty sure stealth is bugged in a certain way in this game. I’m gonna use an example I discovered. I had one mission that had “kill all enemies without being detected” as an optional objective. I go to the place and spot 5 enemies + another “entity”. I see one enemy go into an isolated corner, easy kill. Then I spot 2 enemies that are far from the other enemies and no one is looking at them. I try sniping those 2 enemies but somehow the enemies keep getting alerted of those kills even though they shouldn’t. After trying for a long time I noticed that there was something that had eyes on those enemies. It was the “entity” I mentioned previously. Even though it was unrelated to the enemies, anything it saw was relayed to the enemies like it was part of the enemies. That basically made the objective impossible to do since not killing that entity was why the objective existed in the first place. Fortunately it was an optional objective so I didn’t fail the quest for that. But we basically have a new version of the “chicken reporting crimes” in Skyrim bug. Different types of unrelated creatures can alert each other of your presence or kills which makes no sense at all. I also noticed this in places where there were human enemies and worms moving around. If you killed a human enemy in front of a worm the other human enemies would be alerted if the kill even if they weren’t remotely close.
For stealth, there’s armor you can get that gives you a 25% buff to being harder to detected, there’s a companion who can boost it
Yeah, but the biggest problem with the armor is the mission you get it from is after a bunch of stealth missions
@@DrunkenPirate83reconstim and 1 point in stealth did them all easy…
I haven’t even taken but the 3 points of the tier 1 stealth, and use reconstim sparingly, and have almost no issue using a suppressed revolver, only the enemies that require more than 2 shots give me trouble.
Quest name please that starts it all?
@@Haldane1988Go to Neon and look for a job with Ryujin Industries.
Chameleon makes it difficult to use iron sights because it makes your gun invisible so sniping without a scope becomes very frustrating if you have chameleon.
I've been looking for mods that un-chameleon your gun but no luck so far
Try playing 3rd person. You get a closer dot instead of seeing the gun.
In a full sniper stealth build you do way more damage using scopes anyway
@@matthew8720why is this?
Dont you mean chameleon?
Love your videos on Starfield. I usually play stealth rp but for my first playthrough I went space scoundrel with emphasis on persuasion. I crouch near enemies but they see me from a mile away lol. Good to know these tips for my next playthrough!
Good to know my sniper bounty hunter who is all about his gear makes a good approach just leveling up stealth without going for concealment. I'm currently working my way through weapon mods, piloting, and starship design before going back to combat to add rifle skills.
What cracks me up with a lot of the negativity around Starfield is people are everything isn't just handed to you. You want to use stealth you need to start putting points in it, weird I know. You want to use the boost packs you need to start investing in it.
Not enough hand holding😂
So not enough railroading. Honestly, I’m content with working for my perks.
I'm doing a stealth backstabbing smooth talker build. I use diplomat to pacify enemies. Then go in for easy backstabs. It's glorious. So leveling melee stealth is super easy.
Wanted to get into an assassin build, where did you get a good melee weapon?
@@isaacnelson813i have yet to find any real decent melee weapons, however you can get i think a va ruun blade that does decent dmg from a special vendor in the crimson fleet. you dont have to truely join them to have access, you can do an undercover mission to get in.
@@isaacnelson813 just found a few legendary ones. the weapons I found were honestly meh. But diplomat skill makes it easy and is OP when it works (60% chance). So I just take my mediocre weapon and keep stabbing if my stealth atk doesn't one-shot. I can be a lot stronger but branched more into tech.
I love that i learned the hard way about stealth and space suits. Very important tip worth mentioning.
Played a new game from a fresh start with nothing using all of these tips and by level 24 i was a stealth bad ase...at least in my head. I also went my own way and followed the story mission until i was about 3 quarters through and then had the void and sense star stuff power. I had 3 pieces of chameleon gear and didnt notice a significant dip when i got concealment level 3 (although there was a small amount...but you could still have them walking straight by you without seeing you). Had an absolute blast and really enjoy the stealth, both melee with a sword and with the old earth hunting rifke and a99 (stealth archer style). So i recommend getting full concealment if you love stealth. Great fun
Im finally playing starfield again after my SSD spontanously died the day after I hosted a launch party for my friends, and those guides are super useful for planning my playtrough, also thanks for keeping the anti spoiler warnings
If anyone is struggling with concealment challenges, as mentioned in the video you can abuse the crimson fleet pirates if you join them. Another option that worked well for me is hunting aliens. Particularly the small helpless kind. Find a planet and search around for some really small aliens. They might be the same size as a small resource node, they often move slowly and aren't exactly winning at evolution. You can just walk up behind them, crouch and a second or two later they will have forgot all about you. It gets easier after the first 10. If you're still struggling, wait until night as light has a huge impact on detection.
Even easier to get an EM weapon, go to a science outpost and trap one inside with you. Stun crouch punch twice, stun again. Rinse and repeat
Great video, Michael, very informative. I'm dipping out for the spoilers section. This game keeps drawing me away from the main quest to do some random thing.
Thank you for this! Thought it was just me with concealment…what a drag to level.
Damage Counter, Not sure if you know but in esc menu Accessibility there is an option to turn on Damage Values!
I'm playing on v.hard and stealth sniper route. I'm level 35ish and didn't realise stealth was an issue for people until watching this video. I have prioritised weapon modding over concealment (no concealment yet), and I do just fine.
Going for a stealth commando character. This video gave me a few things to think about. Thanks!
Stealth in this game is weird man. Do it the "right way" (not much cargo, companion stealth perk, etc) and you'll be seen/heard a mile away.
But wear a chameleon space suit/helmet, sit down and shoot them with an unsilenced weapon and they just wander around finding you while they die one by one, its hilarious lol
I love that the enemies are aware. I'm a Big Id and Machine Games, CoD and Halo type of player and the gun fights in the game are Chef's Kiss.
Amazing video. Thank you!
Sounds like your eventual beast hunter build would be up my alley for an stealth build; looking forward to it.
Stealth, Gunplay, getting good at dialogue (all 18 options not just Persuasion), Outpost building, becoming tough and survivable, Space combat, exploration and scanning, and ship building.
FINALLY...Bethesda doesn't just hand you stuff. You have to work at it and earn it like a real RPG. And boy does it feel GOOD when you finally start owning ships when they've been kicking your butt for 50 hours on Very Hard. You KNOW where you were (you sucked) and you know that they they all should now fear you.
But gone are the days of easy/peasy/lemon/squeezy. And I love everything about it.
They they dialed it up to 11 then squared it with New Game +.
This game is incredible and 100% worth the extra two years that they put into development.
Great video, one of the best. Chameleon armour stacks, so getting all 3 (spacesuit, helmet, pack) will be a nice alternative to the concealment perk, or something to use while grinding up concealment. The void power and sense star stuff are amazing, wish you could get em early. You have to be patient and plan. I wish they allowed you to shoot light sources to create safe shadowed places, like splinter cell. Wish i had this video when i played starfield at launch, it was a frustrating ride from a stealth perspective. For new game plus the slow time feature is nice when in trouble. I miss VATS.
...I don't remember John Wick ever being stealthy. Most of the fights are "you can't stop my advance" and "oho, so you thought you had the drop on me!"
I love the stealth in this game. I have not yet completed a stealth build but it's generally part of my normal play style. I love how intuitive the ai are now because I can use their new found intelligence against them. Since fallout I've always been a stealth sniper. But for indoor close quarters I use mines to maintain my distance and simply lure them to their demise, also investing in demolition. Outdoors is where it gets fun. Start out by commandeering all their defense systems then taking out a couple guys. It typically lures the majority into one direction with a couple stragglers looking the other way while I circle their base of operations, picking them off, constantly pulling them into all directions. If the ai has an imagination, they're living their worst nightmare with me at the helm.😂
Discovered totally by accident: you can get a stealth kill (as in it counts toward your stealth level up kill count) with a grenade. As long as you're in "hidden" or "caution" when you throw the grenade, and provided it insta-kills the enemy, it counts as a stealth kill. Hilarious and illogical but I found it fun.
Hi, Your knowledge is amazing. I am not that good at fitting all these pieces of knowledge together, so if you slowed down and showed me how these various pieces are acquired and fit together, that would be very helpful. I felt overwhelmed with all the info. But thank you for producing this piece.
I use the Razorback as my stealth weapon of choice. 1 with a recon scope for distant targets and 1 with a reflex sight for closer targets. Not many survive more than 1 shot from that baby after sneak attack damage is dealt.
I've been using a magshot pistol and a razorback as my main weapons. Have you had any trouble getting ammo for your razorback? I always find myself low on its ammo and have to use it pretty sparingly.
@@paulcashion8049whenever you go to sell always buy the ammo you need. You can sell more at a time and you quickly have 2-3k of said ammo type
@@paulcashion8049 Nope. Just be sure to check vendors every time you're in town and buy some. Before I completed my initial playthrough, I kept over 2000 rounds on me. So you can build it up to copious numbers over time since 99% of enemies die in 1 shot
I've got a bunch of Legendary and Epic Shotty's; after seeing this I may start using them more!
Couple other things worth it in my testing:
Spacesuit engineering 3 lets you craft a stealth modifier onto your suit and helmet, as well as letting you reduce the overall weight, which does affect stealth. This lets you get away with better stealth shenanigans in hostile environments while still being prepared for open conflict. This also means you can use random affixes like damage bonuses and carrying capacity. The stealth mod in particular seems to allow more sneak attack triggers even when cautious enemies are shooting in my direction. Pirate Sniper suit is the best weight-to-fashion choice.
Chems are great. Frostwolf in particular gives you movement speed increase, noise reduction, and damage boost. Not sure if you can craft it, but you can mix and match drugs for similar effect.
Ryujin questline gives an apparal piece with a decent stealth bonus.
Gymnastics is fun, if not useful. You can stealth jump to get sneak attacks off over cover, or just get into a better position. Combine with amp and low g planets and I've bounded on top of an enemy installation and turned their defense against them.
Concealment isnt really necessary on a normal difficulty if you'd rather go into the easier research route like i did, but you already want Stealth, probably Weight Lifting since you are better off solo, and Gymnastics is fun. Thats all you need to access Concealment.
I'm playing on hard with no points invested in Concealment or Combat (invested a lot of points into ship building) and it's pretty smooth still.
I havent yet tested heavy weapon/grenade/mine stealth, or stuff like Manipulation and Diplomacy. Manipulating people into mines sounds funny tho
Mines are just heavy frisbee's, I've literally only used them as short range grenades as they explode on impact.
@@mickieg1994 That's been my experience. I've tried making kill boxes but any enemy that isn't hardwired to charge into melee won't come anywhere near a mine.
Wish the social manipulation skills were easier to access and generally more powerful. Might add an interesting dynamic to melee / nonlethal sneaking. Oh well
Predictably because stealth sniper is my favourite in every game I am doing my first play through as this and it is harder than previous Bethesda games but in general far from impossible, and still quite op when you get skilled up.
Hey Michael!
Thanks for uploading this video! I rushed to play Starfield, not really knowing what I wanted to do. Once I figured out that I did want to gain some Stealth Skill I went to Google to find a good primer.
Yours wasn't the first in the list, but it was the one I first chose and I am not disappointed.
Far more info here than I was expecting to find and you certainly covered what my questions were. I wasn't even aware that some of the stuff I want to do has issues prior to any update. The "John Wick" approach sounds like the way I want to go and by your description this is not a simple path. That's ok, I have the required patience, so I'm actually looking forward to the challenge.
Overall, I'm very happy to have found your video. Thank you again for all your work. If there was any critical feedback I have it's to take a breath :-) I know there was a lot to cover and that makes for a long video. And perhaps that was just a result of the edit. But I did wonder during the watch if you were gonna be ok. Really hope all is well and again you are so much appreciated!
18:58 See class? This is the example of a perfect analogy. He’s used something that almost everyone understands and has had as life experience. Or is having. Constantly. _cries_
Buying gear early is a good recommendation. I remember in Fallout 4, Trudy always had a suppressed bolt action pipe pistol that was great for early game stealth play minus the rarity and cost of ammunition.
I always bum rushed to deliverer 😂
getting in the top of a mountain with my jetpack and taking out a camp with a sniper rifle will always be fun in any game
Stealth for me was great it’s really easy to get into. I’d say Starfields stealth is very similar to Cyberpunks, throw on a suppressor, an optic and stay hidden to get those stealth bonuses. I only maxed stealth skill and never even touched Concealment but was able to play stealthy 70% of the game. All i did was either keep a distance or stay close and watch out where enemies are cos i was able to stand right next to an enemy and not get spotted.
This is great!
Now being a ghost is something you earn, instead of basically starting out that way like in Skyrim ^^
The environment is also key. There's usually explosive barrels strewn about with some toxic barrels as well. Some poisonous, some corrosive. Combine any land mine with a few explosive barrels which you can move freely and well... HAPPY NEW YEAR!🎉 🎇 🎇 🎆
Woow I didn't know that.... Thanks
Thank you
Addoring fan as a companion gives you the first level of concelment sneek damage multipker bonus right from the start
I really wished gun sights stayed visible while chameleon is on. It such a hassle early on to get a properly scoped and silenced weapom
Good to know, I think I was going to make a stealth character next
I really think you guys missed an opportunity a bit with the melee stealth build. If you’re going melee stealth, you can take diplomacy and pacify enemies long before you get in detectable range. What I do is pacify the enemies I can, then start assassinating the ones I couldn’t. Sometimes I’ll instigate enemies too. The thing about melee is that you don’t need 12 points in the combat tree you can just take dueling along with an instigating weapon and you’re oneshotting even without concealment. Imo the reason you use melee is to save on points for an Uber stealth build that dips in charisma too
Do not take your spacesuit off if ur at midgame or so, wear a light one with only the mods u need (there's one that helps with steatlh) and then it will actually improve stealth(i tested this with turrets and it was better than just the operative suit). Also stack one chameleon with the one from concealment. Use titanium build weapons like Sarah's gun and some good hard target/beoworlf/razorback, even some shotguns work. Get the Operative suit, use the scanner ability to make pple do whatever u want. By now stealth would still be kinda hit or miss if ur close to enemies but when you Also got void form and can slow down time it gets really OP. Void form with that kind of gear, makes you even able to melee in stealth but you gotta manage its cooldown and it won't really go off with chameleon so you gotta stand up ,activate it, then crouch :P. So now stealth is useful from the start but to min max it u gotta replay the game till u get that thing to rank 10 .
While it’s true that being stealthy in Starfield is harder than in Skyrim the fun is in the challenge. Also are some great weapons like the Hard Target sniper rifle which can still help you get those satisfying headshots on your enemies.
would love to see a skyrim style video like you guys do, but on the Starborn.
Was going to edit my original post, but it was long already. The modder that made the Skill Fixes mod went into detail how the chameleon trait on equipment interacts with concealment rank 3. Quote from his posts. "The chameleon effect from armor is specifically coded to be less effective after you get the rank 3 Concealment skill. It gives 50 points of camouflage if you don't have the perk, and 20 points if you do. Concealment gives 50 points as well. 2 stacks of Chameleon without the perk would put you at 100 points, which is presumably total invisibility. 2 stacks with the perk would only put you at 90. " With this math I went back and tested concealment rank three with three pieces of chameleon armor and confirmed that it does indeed give you back your total invisibility.
Easy way to level up your stealth skills that require pickpocket and sneak melee hits:
Hit any job board and find a fleet bounty.
Board the last enemy ship.
Use a novalight or any emp weapon and emp all enemies until they are stunned that have noticed you.
Crouch and themn wait for danger to go to caution and do the thing needed.
If it is the successful melee attacks one use a weak weapon. Hit. Stun. Repeat. For easy multiple successful hits.
My biggest difficulty with stealth is that enemies can see you through tiny gaps and are _always patrolling._ I've maxed out stealth, and have chameleon armor. I do get detected _less,_ but companions for some reason just LOVE to fuck around and find out whenever you're in Caution.
Also, 20 levels in, I just don't have _any_ weapons that can one hit kill from stealth with a headshot.
The enemies have better detection than toph from avatar the last airbender
lmfao why is this accurate af
Another tip for PC players is you can walk while sneaking. Console players can just adjust how much they're pressing down the walk button but on PC the default is caps lock. Walking while sneaking makes you much harder to detect and would've made my early game much easier
I acutally found the stealth mechanic more realistic in Starfield. It has helped me enjoy the game more
Being a Stealth gunner with an Explosives back-up plan is usually my go-to, and i think i would do that again.
I think i would use the Wall-hacks power because of my time playing Widowmaker.
Question about enemy health. At 22:47 the enemy has a white bar and a red bar above their head. The red bar is divided into 3 sections, and the white bar refills every time a red section is gone. If the white bar supposed to be armor? If so, why does it refill every time you deplete a section of health?
I wonder if the stealth lasers work the exact same as suppressors for laser weapons. specifically for the sneak based % damage for suppressed weapons
Since they’re basically suppressors for laser weapons, I can only assume they have the same sneak attack bonus as ballistic weapons.
It's a shame that melee still sucks. For some reason, Bethesda capped the melee hits combo to 3... meaning your character will stop attacking after the 3rd swing. All melee weapons have the same attack speed too and you can't 2-hand larger weapons like swords.
Hey @fudgemuppet team, love you guys! I would really be interested in a Rick Sanchez build guid.
I think my character is going to slowly morph into Rick Sanchez after learning about the end game loop. Let’s just say I consider the light team like the council of ricks while the dark team I consider like the real Rick.
This comparison helped me make my decisions on the route I wanted to go, and i can see my self playing and morphing into Rick as I continue on through new game plus. Even slightly aging my character as we go on, maybe build a ship similar to his, laser pistol etc.
Anyway love the content, my favorite bethesda channel.
With the new game+ mechanic in this game, and the implications that exploring the multiverse holds, most people nerdy enough to watch this are going to max every skill. I'm 80% of the way there myself at just under 200 hours.
If you press the toggle walk button (caps lock on pc i believe) you actually move quieter with your spacesuit on but you move even slower.
A few things. Chameleon/Concealment rank 3 is bugged. If you have more than one piece of chameleon armor equipped you will be able to see an improvement in function. Not sure if it stacks to three or not, but two defiantly has an enhanced effect. The instant you take concealment 3 you are locked to one rank of chameleon and it overrides the armor effects. I saw this first hand in my initial play through as the mantis armor rolled 2 pieces with chameleon. I could crouch right in front of alerted enemies and they would lose me. I got concealment rank 3, and all of a sudden they could see me no matter what. The chameleon effect itself also prevents the use of iron and laser sites as it turns them invisible, though thankfully scopes still work. Another thing is that I would recommend not taking the fitness skill to get down to concealment. I know that it is a popular choice and that we do a lot of running, but there are some things that make it redundant. In early game, if you take Alien DNA, Tera Firma, and Introvert/Extrovert, you will have as much O2 as you will ever need. It only drains fast on really high gravity planets. Armor mods further enhance this. Then in mid/late game you gain a power that completely negates O2 consumption. I recommend taking the Pain Tolerance skill instead for a flat 15% physical damage reduction and a chance to receive no damage at low health. Last is an important tip for your space suits. If you get space suit design rank 3, you can put a mod on your helmet and suit called Gravitic Composites that "Reduces detection from enemies". As far as I know, no one has exact numbers on this traits performance, but it is noticeable in game and you are able to get it fairly early on.
Edit - The 25% head shot crit chance from Sniper Certification does not seem to work. When doing the challenge for Sharpshooting i found it almost impossible without first putting points into the Marksmanship talent. No matter how many head shots I performed, only the standard crit rate seemed to apply. No one online seems to be mentioning this so I'm wondering if anyone else has encountered this or if everyone is using pistols for easy crits.
Why do people call a stealth pistol character a "John Wick'? In every movie he is literally in hand to hand combat with no suppressors firing fully auto rifles with everyone knowing right where he is, most of the time beating the hell out of him.
I did stealth melee... honestly it wasn't bad, but I did need to save scum a lot to get those first few stealth kills.
Once you get void form though it's pretty OP. You can actually run up to most enemies in void form, start sneaking, and get a stealth attack. I'm working on NG+10 now and I can basically just spam void form, run around with the Syndicate Enforcer (very easy to steal almost immediately, highly recommended) and stab things in the head.
Gotta say, I really like the jet pack malfunction enemy death animations.
The ironic thing is that sneaking isn't always needed to remain undetected. Light and line of sight matters so much. I've had times where I walk into a room and say hi to the enemy because I don't know if they are hostile or not and they took a long time to notice me. What I would like to see is sneak attacks applying even when standing, just make it so that detection is what matters. Melee sneak attacks would be viable if you could weave around the environment faster and would feel pretty epic. You are naturally more detectable when standing and jogging around, but if the enemy hasn't detected you then it should still count as a stealth attack. There could even be an in between, say you get only half the sneak attack bonus. But ideally I think it should just lean in to the system that is in place. Crouching makes you harder to detect but it's not night and day like past games. The same factors matter to detection whether you are standing or not and a sneak attack should only be dependent on whether that enemy is aware of you not also that you are crouching.
Try luring an enemy from afar to run down a corridor with you behind the corner. It counts as a stealth attack if you swing right as they walk past the corner. It takes a short duration for them to detect you and if they die instantly to melee stealth damage, you are safe and other enemies may notice and come over too.
I mean then what would be the difference between what you are saying and regular straight up melee combat? The whole point of a stealth build is to methodically sneak around and pick off enemies one by one either with melee sneak attacks or at range with suppressed weapons. That is the fantasy of the assassin, operative, ninja, sniper, etc.
If there is no reason to crouch and go slowly, why even bother with it? Just go straight melee and run around and kill. It's faster and more effective. I want to be able to role play the assassin and this game makes it significantly more difficult to get going than previous games by Bethesda.
@oni1608 The difference is that in past games, everyone would just spot you instantly if you were standing. While you were practically invisible when crouching. In this game, you can make effective use of cover and weave around objects yet remain undetected, while crouching does not guarantee anything. So the difference between what I am saying and regular melee combat is that you would still have to maneuver around the environment carefully to avoid detection if you want the bonus damage. You just wouldn't have to be crouching when you make the attacks.
The number one thing i want from stealth right now is no sound detection in no atmosphere environments. Or almost no sound. Like only hearing your own gun fire or when you get hit. I understand why they make sounds in space games and movies. But i think it should be a option. I know it will be a mod as soon as the Creation Kit comes out. It would make attacking a moon base with no atmosphere at night easy. Like being the Predator from the Predator movies. I think it would be super fun and completely different to how you would attack the base on a normal earth like planet. Also no sound from outside your space suit would mean enemies could sneak up on you too. They could leave in the COMs chatter. When the NPC's are talking with space suits on. It would make sense that the space suits just broadcast coms all the time unless you specifically set up a secure channel. In my mind anyway.
I want gravity to effect your carry weight also.
I hadn't planned on playing a stealth character, but after finding Ryujin, I made a new character for that, with the thought of joining Crimson Fleet later. I got an early Epic drop of a Beowulf with Instigating and Corrosive, Instigating on a sniper rifle is almost a must, imho. One of the stealth things that bothers, is the damn xenogrubs. I can be far away from any human, but one of those things will break my stealth every time.
I haven't got Starfield yet but these videos make me want to purchase it. I'm just very afraid my pc isn't strong enough though...
I have been really enjoying the stealth so far actually, and I'm not even a stealth character lol. Made it most of the way through the neon section of the Crimson Fleet storyline without being caught, only had to use an EM weapon on like 3 guards. And even without suppressors or stealth lasers, my Equenox has been slaying at range in stealth. I think laser weapons are the way to go for certain.
I have barely touched melee in the game, but I am patient so I'd probably enjoy that anyway. I just enjoy how it's *actually somewhat realistic* for a change.
Also probably dont bring a companion if your doing it indoors. Even the stealth one i forget her name starts with an A. I have snuck past enemies into a vent and had her lose pathing and run back out into the room to try and get to the other side of the vent by running past enemies alerting them. Doesnt detect you if theyre detected but it certainly can be frustrating
I like the Stealth the way it is, I hope they dont dumb it down 🙂
my upgraded scanner has really helped me to see enemies before I unlocked the top menue..
i loovveee the difficulty for stealth
The only reason I didn’t go stealth in my first playthrough is that the trailers mostly showed off a run and gun playstyle and i figured thats what the game was more geared towards
The the detection in this game is far more realistic compared to previous titles. If you're visible you're caught. Movement is extremely noticeable and partial coverage works for concealment such as computer monitors or desk top supplies in general
Nah. A guy hears you with no line of sight (and despite having concealment R2) and everyone in a 200 yard radius instantly knows exactly where you are.
@Fishster hearing doesn't require line of sight. The scanner isn't the only tech that can have an active radar, and tagging is a skill. Don't forget military forces probably have active coms.
@@craigcrawford3368 however you justify it, it needs tweaks. Leaving aside whether the whole base immediately knowing exactly where you are after taking a single step with maxed stealth and +stealth items is realistic or not, it makes for frustrating gameplay. I stuck with stealth for my whole first play through but there is lots that is borked.
I'd love to see a space trucker build and a HP lovecraft inspired professor build that is looking into the snake cult!
It's Bethesda, leave your companion at home😂
See, in earlier games I always kept them around as a pack mule, but with how freely credits come in this game, I'm finding I don't need to loot as much. Hard habit to break, though.
Guys that guides are 🔥 but after 20 mins of fast talking I get confused… can you put up more diagrams and stats like in fallout builds?
Some places with no atmospheric pressure should make no noise without suppressor without removing any space suit etc
One thing that makes stealth hard is unless your companion is trained in stealth they march through bases like they are elephants. Making enough noise to alert everything in 20 miles.
Don't have to buy a suppresed gun theres one from a quest in Akila city that starts by listening to a conversation in the ally between the weapon vendor shop and the build to the right of then talking to Keoni Alpin and doing the quest chain from there all the way to the end, its a named old earth sniper rifle
I'm not running a complete stealth build but I certainly utilize it. I wear the tactical suit (can't remember the exact name) you get from the Ryujin questline along with my mantis pack that rolled the chameleon trait so if I'm crouching and still I'm invisible so long as the enemy isn't right on top of me. Works great!
Not my experience - especially with the final Ryujin quest (in fact all that quest line). Yes, I did take off my space suit - which makes a huge diffference. Stealth was completely broken. Same problem with heist part of the main quest line. I would be crouched still with maximum stealth, chameleon, operator suit and the guards would see me and start firing from 20 feet away.
@@tacitus7797 If you're talking about the "heist part" where you have to steal an artifact, that mission is scripted so that picking up the artifact automatically aggroes any guards in the zone that are alive. As mentioned briefly in this video, there is a bit of wonky behavior with how enemies act once they've aggroed on you - it doesn't just affect your ability to get sneak attacks after becoming undetected again, it seems to affect the algorithm that decides whether or not they can see you (like the effective range of their sight cones for example).
PS: I might have passed by the artifact, stealth assassinated everyone between me and the exit, then went back for the artifact and my waiting companion...
@@tacitus7797 This seems to be a recurring theme across multiple aspects of the game; vastly different experiences from player to player.
@@pscully608 Yes ... but I was getting detected in a dark cooridor - with chameleon, stealth 4, operator suit, no spacesuit 20 feet away BEFORE I grabbed the artifact. And that mission is a classic example of not stealth fun - lets make it impossible to avoid hostile guards on the way out.
@@tacitus7797 There's also an issue with chameleon that if it takes affect while you're under caution and in an enemy's sight line (even if you aren't actively being seen) that enemy instant-aggroes.
I >think< it has to do with the way the AI is coded to prevent chameleon from being an "I-win" button in a shootout, but instead of doing the normal "we know the general area you are but are shooting blindly in that direction", it treats it like full detection.
And there's also a separate issue that has to do with "restricted areas" (which the area leading up to the vault is unless you ask for a tour) where guards sometimes see you passing into the area when it is clearly out of their sight line - I'm guessing that one is a bug in the AI coding that has NPCs follow you around when you're in an area they are guarding. It seems to work fine in areas where they just say "You shouldn't be here." but causes issues when they are scripted to be hostile if they find you in that area.
BTW: you can stun someone, pickpocket them, then punch them a few times... rinse and repeat until they are gone... you level up theft with the pickpocketing (stun them if they wake during the attempt)... and as long as you are back in a state where they don't know where you are, your punches level concealment.
doing this in any repeatable location (think Nova star yards) lets you take theft and concealment to MAX level quickly.
oh... and you don't risk being caught pickpocketing civilians... or arrested for punching that NA doc over and over
Me: Minding my own business.
Michael: WHAT’S GOING ON?!
Me: Man, I’m just making some coffee.
Different feel from Skyrim but I am stealth, and it was great for me. only one quest would not let me sneak and I had to kill them all but otherwise tons of sneak attacks :)
Which stuffed animal is that on the console in the ship at the start. I'm collecting them and I NEED IT!!!
Ranking up Concealment is actually easy. Get an EM weapon. Knock the target out with the EM weapon. Then get close, sneak to hide and melee them to death.
It seems to be that the sneak bonus is applied when attacking someone whom has not detected you, even while in caution or danger from a closer enemy. I got a sneak bonus on a pirate across a ridge crouched while in caution from a alien creature stalking me.
i want a lever action magazine fed crossbow all jeorgsprave style to be chewdixon darbacaly
Stealth is balanced around how laughable Skyrim's was and Void Form -- actually feels like thought was put into it for once
Stealth melee works with void form
Been playing a stealth character for a while now, opted out of Rank 4 sneak for other stuff, but guessing that is the next thing i get, and also haven't gotten any combat skills yet, so guessing that's also something to consider, only lvl 16 so far so should be able to get some good stuff by 25.
If you have the Boost assault perk rank 4 u can hover in stealth if u just jump and aim.
i’ll wait for updates, i heard the’ll add vehicles you can drive and mechs and stuff
Use a Novablast disruptor or any EM damage weapon then hit the enemies with a melee a few seconds after they fall asleep for a quick level up on concealment.
I did say this :)
Rather like them shooting in my general direction - makes sense. What I don't like is even with chameleon, stealth 4, operator suit, no spacesuit - the Ryujin quests are just not fun; especailly the last one where I was been spotted a long distance away and even when moving slowly or even still alarms were going off.
Been ranking up my stealth as a melee build and been successful very slowly but thankfully it kinda hits my splinter cell itch, kinda..
Splinter Skyrim in space I guess