Will A.I Replace Car Designers?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 พ.ย. 2024
- World renowned car designer, Frank Stephenson, makes a comprehensive account of what the introduction of Artificial Intelligence will mean for the future of the automotive industry.
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Hey all, for this episode I'm looking at the implications of AI & Text-to-image generators like MidJourney and Dall-E will have on the automotive industry.
This is a very interested topic so I'm extremely interested to read your comments below.
As always, thanks so much!
Frank
#FrankStephenson #AI #CarDesign
I absolutely love that Frank's take on this is optimistic, forward-looking, and grounded in decades of trying to make the aesthetic design process more efficient. I've heard enough doom and gloom.
Well said!
I was told in school 40 years ago that computers would replace humans in the workplace, remember that at the time they were the size of rooms. I have had a 30 year career in IT and watched those old machines reduce in size over time to now be held in people hands. I don't think we are being replaced any time soon. Life will just get even faster.
People already have been replaced. Now even ART is AI generated
Assembly lines are full of machines that require less and less human intervention. Now robots are gaining space even in the services sector.
@@caralho5237 more oppertunities are oppening up too. the world iss ever changing
@@aggrontube2345 Yes but not for the better.
It’s too fast at the moment or a lot of people are over stimulated with technology
@@aggrontube2345 it depends where you live. Im unemployed currently and where i worked before if they could work me to death they would. Im sure they will use robots and the minimum of team they can as soon as they can lol.
But yeah just ranting endlessly about this doesnt change the fact that indeed, just like the advent of internet and social medias opened a whole new world of things we can do and even make money with, AI will certainly do the same, and we should be educating ourselves about it and eventually learning about how we can adopt them to be able to experience first hand this new wave of job markets that will appear (and the many waves to come after it..)
I'm studying Auto Mechanics/ Mechanical Engineering to work in the car industry, I hope AI will be used just as another tool not to replace a human doing the creative work.
Great Video!! Loved the plot twist at the end. You are in my top ten designers off all time, up there with Giugiaro
Wow, thanks George!
I don't think AIs or any other image generators like Bluewillow for example would replace artists. Maybe in the far future, but not anytime soon. AIs nowadays are not sentient and their responses are still based on human input and sources. Your craft is also your identity and we thank you for your art and contributions!
I think it will happen within 10 years. Nobody should study design today unless they are genius talents.
@@jimj2683 so what to study now? Journalism ?😂
Proof the world has gone nuts. Cutting corners using technology instead of humans to come up with ideas and designs. Its happening in all aspects of life. If they can find a loop hole they will use it.
Great video. 👍
Love my 03 X5 4.4 sport pkg, still going strong, over 220k miles.
Driven primarily in Florida and Texas USA.
You knock it out of the park, the design has aged beautifully. 👍
really interesting subject to dive into, as always i appreciate your thoughts and input on it.
I'm studying car design, I use ai for time saving and will get it to do the storyboard or benchmark/research the stuff that doesn't require taste or skill
I created so many cars with Stable diffusion, historical versions of modern cars, modern versions of historical cars, awesome mashups with the Delorean, Viper, Ferrari, etc. Regarding its use for car design all of the limitations Frank mentioned are spot on, it's an amazing tool to explore nascent ideas, concepts and variations but not yet very good at representing an exact vision, sometimes you can't even guide it properly. I've made mashups with the Dodge Viper and often the viper influence was much too strong for the vision I had. I had a difficult time reducing that to the amount I wanted without losing it completely. As an amateur, it's all fun.
Not yet, that s the problem. What if in 10 yrs it ll be perfect? That s Scary
@@Hadri_ART Yes I know it will improve and it can be scary, but if you think it through it shouldn't be, at least for car design. In the olden days an engineer or 2, a coach builder or an enthusiast could practically design the whole car, but complexity due to more advanced technologies and new regulations grew and grew reaching the point where only very big corporations with big teams of people with a lead designer could design a new car, often in 3 to 5 years. Car design aided by AI can in time bring back the ability of one person or a small team to design a new and completely modern car in a short time. The people could either focus on the aesthetics and let the AI do the engineering or viceversa or it can do both but guided by a humans to focus on their preferences. It could finally bring back local brands when coupled with 3d printing.
I am not that surprised or negative of such technological developments, I am more scared of the people than of the technology. I've been a fan of Star Trek since I was a child so I've always hoped to live to see Holodecks, human like AIs, etc. The hardest thing to believe in Star Trek wasn't the technology, but that humanity managed to get over its differences on a both planetary and personal level to unite and become truly civilized.
When I asked Chat gpt to list world's most influenced car designers , you were there
this was an awesome video Frank. What a twist at the end. I think it's commendable that you're open minded to trying new stuff.
That's a great conclusion! With the tools updated with more AI functionalities, the process would first be more and more management involvement in the design in the industry. It could be both ways, Design leaders also need to take responsibility in marketing and more management or both. Or management has a deeper hands-on part in the design process. As other facilities grow such as 3D printing or milling, chassis design, etc progress, the automotive industry can be much more decentralized, Individuals may make the design both styling and engineering based on open source AI system and get registered within a particular legal system, then send the commission to wherever the factory is. Fuuny to think about these could be a few decades from now?
Hi Frank ,Both worlds will compliment each other hopefully nothing replaces the human touch in my opinion.
the grey mclaren concept at 3:21 is one of my fave designs of all time.
Interesting that you did an episode about AI back in a real world setting. I was not a fan of the virtual studio you had been using. I always enjoy the content though.
Are you certain that Frank was not in front of a green screen with a generated background?
I made no mention of a green screen... Regardless of method, the setting is that of a common office. As opposed to some pseudo futuristic geodesic structure. Are you certain your question was relevant?
I have been exposed to art from an early age. I'm a student who is currently aiming to become a car designer, but I'm honestly annoyed by the popularity of AI these days. AI is nothing more than a database and has no creativity. On the contrary, it ignores copyright infringement and is just like a thief. To put it bluntly, I think it should be regulated. I am about to get a job in the future, but I have no intention of using such a criminal tool. Because I think that person is disqualified as a creator when he uses this.
Mee too
Technologies like AI should be used as a tool to aid people in doing their jobs, not as a replacement for human capabilities. I've worked my entire life in IT and too often I've seen people lack fundamental skills because they rely on technology to do it for them. That's what scares me about AI...if you thought a person's inability to add two simple numbers together without a calculator was bad, imagine what something as powerful as AI will do to them.
And as for that list of top 10 car designers, I'm guessing Exner, Earl, maybe Teague...and the rest are Italians 😆
Exactly! Mind you, the term 'A.I.' is being applied too easily. As it is, it's nothing more than fast existing computer tech, able to process algorithms sequentially with rather limited parallel processing capabilities. This not intelligent nor is it artificial. It's speedy crawling data within references to construct combinations of elements already existing. Such is 'constructing', not 'creating' anything.
Silicon transistors are close to their smallest possible molecular size, whilst quantum computing isn’t the answer either for many reason going too far to elaborate on in here. Hence, this is why advancements in computer technology have slowed down significantly in the last 10 years.
But even quantum computing is nothing more than speeding up algorithms.
The human brain is a fast changing / adapting cognitive mega complex organ, constantly able to process a mega bulk of signals parallel and flexible, come up with entirely new concepts, constructing new bio pathways and connecting synapses; finding new ways out of the box. Computer technology simply can’t offer this, nor will it be able to within the evident physics limitations given.
Good to see this video! I am very scared my dream job of car designing would we snatched away by AI.
Hi Frank, thanks for having presented this new technology. As a designer I'm kind of concerned by this but I trust my brain to be more creative than a machine.
Hi Frank. I absolutely love the content and appreciate your effort in educating the younger generations of designers. I'm studying industrial design and is transitioning into the field of automotive design. I learned a lot from your videos. Even just a few words from a experienced professional can go a long way in inspiring people. I do have one suggestion for the color correction & grading of the videos. It appears that the footages from your camera have a green & yellow tint. I suggest your camera man to use a grey card to calibrate the white balance before each filming. It's a simple thing to do and save you a lot of hassle in color correction.
Thanks Mk and thanks also for the great tip! 👍
you are definitely on the top 10 list just by sharing your knowledge.
Problem with AI and art is not at the end of what is absolutely possible for us to achieve, in that regard it supercharges anyone who does design. Problem is how it it destroys paths towards an art job as only someone who's already extremely proficient can provide added value to what the AI delivers.
I'd be very worried if it wasn't for the fact that a majority of people are threatened by machine learning, not just artists. The language models taking white collar jobs away is a major threat to the whole economy and society will have to pivot as a result, less the consumer base will be destroyed and we'll all be living in our local version of Detroit soon.
this will lead to yet another shift of wealth from the many to the few.
Hello Frank sir, I am one of the fans of your iconic car designs especially the mclaren p1 and my question is if any car company wants to work with u, will u be joining them?
Thanks! Not ANY company, only if I like them.
Greetings from Spain. A video explaining in depth what your personal style is and how to discover it in your past, present and future designs would be great. And your favorite designers with their best design in your opinion. Thank you
Muy buena surgerencia Rober. 👍
i mosly use it for quick album art as i make music and post it for people to lease and make songs with. it is a great tool for all kinds of artists, even chat gpt can be used to give artists ideas, and then use those ideas on stable diffusion to make a reference piece. and refine it with your own skill
As someone getting my master's in transportation design at one of the top universities for the discipline in the US (not the one Frank Stephenson attended; the other one), my honest opinion is that car designers by and large lack the critical thinking to effectively use AI tools while avoiding their pitfalls. Look to Robert Miles, an PhD AI safety researcher who publishes youtube videos on the subject, to understand just how complex building effective AI can be. I will end with a quote from the great Chris Bangle, the only notable car designer who can really critically think about design at a high level:
“[T]his is what really bothers me about car design is that for too long they've taken ideas like research and completely doped them into the corporate communication process so that all we get is some rehash of where they're going to go anyway”
Agreed, unless much more intellectual rigor is exercised in the car design profession, we will eventually fall by the wayside.
A wise old owl sat on an oak; The more he saw the less he spoke; The less he spoke the more he heard; Why aren't we like that wise old bird? - Traditional Nursery Rhyme
The A.I is just another tool that a designer can use to shape and refine their vision. Even with all the new and emerging technology, car companies still to this day commit time, people and money to building full-scale models in clay, for example. The creative (read 'human') element will never be supplanted, only supported.
clay models will die as first, can be done much precise and much more cheaper by 3D printer ;)
Great video. The editing and quality is outstandin. Thank you!
Much appreciated!
AI should only be used to help us, not replace us.
It is unlikely that Bluewillow, or any other AI-powered platform, will completely replace artists. While Bluewillow is capable of generating unique images using GAN algorithms, it is not capable of replicating the creativity and skill of a human artist.
Yo pienso que tanto la Inteligencia Artificial como las diversas tecnologías que se van desarrollando a pasos agigantados, pueden ser un complemento a la creatividad humana y además está seguirá ejerciendo en mayor o menor medida, el principio rector de los procesos creativos, entre ellos, el diseño automovilístico. Un saludo Curro.
Isn’t design at the moment already to dystopian? Don’t need AI to make it colder
Thanks for your vision.
Subjective! I love the new BMW grilles, especially on the 4 series.
Sorry Robert but bad design is not subjective.
brillant
I assume AI will replace some 'traditional' car design roles. Not dissimilar to 3D modelling reducing the need for clay modelling, or virtual crash testing. AI isn't able to replace all of these yet.
Amazing episode like always, thank you for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it! 👍
Saturated Ai design will flood social media and young designers will get the wrong impression on what makes good design.
"A picture is worth a thousand words Frank, so now you need a thousand words to describe the picture... 😳
I AM FIRST
I very much doubt that artificial intelligence is capable of creating something like BMW Z8, McLaren F1, Pagani Huayra, GMA T.50, RIMAC NEVERA
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Definitely a thought provoking video.
here's what I think.
AI car design is not going to replace car designers. Reason being; AI cannot create anything from scratch. its very existence is dependent upon pre-existing designs that it compiles into its database. As a tool for reorganizing what we have created into a new interpretation? it's undeniable. But thankfully for car designers, we can create something completely new. Something which the AI cannot.
I asked chatgpt "top 10 car designers" and you came up 10th.
Hi Frank, I really hope A.I doesn't take over artists and designers!!!!
Wonder how current supercars will age with time. So many of them are ridiculously similar. Genuinely think the last truly beautiful Ferrari is 458 and that's like 12 years old already.
Most of the AI-generated McLaren SUVs just look like Lamborghini Uruses
A.I. may be to clinical cool to make much required mistakes the best teacher.
Damn frank you might be the greatest of all time
Excellent Video Frank! Really enjoyed the insights!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow, Frank. What an eyeopening and yet disappointing feature. This video was one of your best, even though somewhat disturbing. I can see the benefits, as you mentioned, but I got a sinking feeling listening and watching this.
My favorite part was you sharing that you weren't on the top 10 designers list. Haha!
Thanx!
Designers could sketch to ai image generation for different variations of the original design
Frank,i'd love to hear your thoughts on new Maserati Granturismo,i think they made terrific job since the previous model is one of my all time favorite cars
I love that you used t to I for all the retrospective images, lol. Probably your editor? There's always an uncanny valleyness to the images, lol. I didn't realize you have seven fingers?!?
And 12 toes.
_They won't replace car designers, they will assist and inspire car designers._ That's my final answer.
The good ending.
not yet
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That’s how it should be going forward.
The main and only correct answer for everything related with AI.
There's a few interesting tools. In particular you can draw an image and put it into context in NVIdia AI and in Stable Diffusion. They will then incorporate your existing drawing into their hallucination. I don't think a random hallucination (this word is most similar to how AI art comes about) will ever be as good as one guided by purposeful thoughtful designer, and I don't think the mere textual description is sufficient.
Artificial intelligence should be used in automobile companies to make the vehicles more safe so that they don't crash into each other and have other new safety features, also the company should be responsible for the crashes at this point and drivers should no longer have to pay for automobile insurance, they could also use artificial intelligence to create the vehicles. The money saved could easily be used for a warranty on each vehicle and pay for any malfunctions or damage to the vehicle in the event that a crash still occurs, and the money saved also could cover any liabilities for any injuries to humans. Although some computer flaws are expected to occur in the beginning humans make much more mistakes and more often The kinks in programming it could be worked out later
MR FRANK................MUCH LOVE AND RESPECT 💚💚💚 A.I WILL NEVER REPLACE HUMANS EMOTIONS ......................CARS ARE STUNNING LOVE AND CULTURE CREATION.............SO NOTHING CAN REPLACE THE POWER OF //HUMAN LOVE//............I THINK.
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Maybe Frank , someday we will have the technology to upload your consciousness , a unique A.I. specifically tailored to your design wisdom . You could be used at universities , colleges or at home in the form of a 3d hologram for anyone who wants to become a car designer (my tailored A.I. design teacher will be there when i need it to aid me).
No way , consiouness connot be uploaded. No matter how much you advance. Conciousness is connected with supreme supersoul and only he can can control it
The Ferrari FF is pretty much a hatchback tho :)
Wich AI website did you use @Frank?
You,so right,Sir.
A fascinating subject. I would like to see some AI examples surrounding the more common EV alternatives. While EV in itself is a great step forward; I feel that we are still designing cars in a very 20th century way/ideal. I don't find them efficient enough, neither in design or manufacture, and the answer to this, so far, is to use bigger batteries. Well this is just going down the same route with petrol over 100yrs ago, isn't it?
With EV, I feel we need an entirely new design and manufacturing culture. A 4ton Hummer EV, as an example, is just a ridiculous current solution imho...
Not on the list?! WHAT?!
Nice vid, and totally agree with the final conclusion! haha!
i think ai would be perfect for beamNG automation
Very interesting take!
There is a big difference between AIRCRAFT design and car design - the eVTOL 'designs' alluded to and the brief snapshot of AI generated ones only go to show that GIGO still applies and where a multi constrained and or multi functional design result has to be achieved the chances of simultaneously satisfying a myriad of engineering,physical and -lastly, aesthetic requirements by some pre programmed software -even self learning/genetic based ones, is not yet clear (some design problems are still too complex for human designers to solve - eg the viable flying car (of which eVTOLS are but a poor reflection despite being often misnamed AS 'flying cars' --for "n" variables there are n! (N factorial = NxN-1 x N-2 etc ) possible combinations with more permutations and not allowing repeats --but when specifying a desired end result each new crtieria rules out an entire crop of combinations reducing rapidly the potential solutions . for example , needing to be road legal AND fly eliminates ALL eVTOLS but also rules 'in' the possible use for thousands of times more people and uses "Taxis' are a poor substitute for a personal vehicle and adding 'air' to the description does not chage that.
That said I must investigate what AI has to show when given the task and specified criteria (we had a 'mix and match' computer 'game' at Melbourne's 'scienceworks' museum some time ago that let (mostly children) select features from a menu and see what the combination looked like - just like mythological combinations of horse and man (centaur) or horse and bird (pegasus) and so on have done in history -- unanticipated permutations might arise in something like classical evolutionary theory . Mostly though design competitions or group efforts fail to produce anything worthwhile - the recent Boeing sponsored GoFly contest ended in fiasco despite 600 teams entering , others similarly.
In aircraft design the role of designER is still critical and design by committee is still seen as likely to be mediocre at best -- is AI design by groupthink ?
Those McLaren 'concepts' look like they have taken their Extreme E car as a basis. I doubt AI could totally replace human ideas as all they really just regurgitate existing ideas rather than truly coming up with anything novel.
Atm, I wouldn't consider any of these ai image generators to be creative tools at all (apart from maybe Vizcom). In the Renault Twingo AI 'design' competition being held on IG right now. Most of the submissions all have exactly the same front graphic on them. I think that's all the proof you need really. When Midjourney first launched in June it was remarkably interesting (except for the problems of them trying to sneakily commercialise use of the Laion 5B data set images) due to the generations being very rough and diverse. Now with the addition of Stable Diffusion to that tool what you now get is a much narrower set of generations that look more polished and when I say polished I mean polished turds because as soon as you look for more than half a second you'll always see the ai has screwed up something major on the image or you can even identify bits that it just plucked from one of its dataset images and slapped on the generated image. I don't see the fidelity as the way forward with these programs in the slightest
I once asked for a prompt "on a gray city background" and it literally sent me a square non-generated image with a 3d gray background
Midjourney does look more polished but yeah its polished turd. v2 sometimes made much more interesting and artistic stuff.
I'm still waiting for some schmuck to make a 3D procedural land vehicle generator so I can finally start looking at actually unique designs.
Can you review Split/Second cars ?
Therapist: "Don't worry, AI generated Frank Stephenson doesn't exist, he can't hurt you."
Ai generated Frank Stephenson: 1:18
Instead of complaining, people should ask AIs to follow a reasonable list of requirements and create the best design possible out of it. If the result is amazing and better than anything anyone could do, then people should take note and learn from it, study what's the thing AI figured out and humans overlooked. After all, the rules are the same for both AIs and human designers.
I remember a time when people were raving that crypto currency will replace real cash currency and yet here we are.
Crypto:::::: NFTs:::::::AI Art 🤷♂
What a fantastic and insightful video Frank. The first car I drove was a Ginetta G26 kit car (look it up it actually looks pretty smart) and as such I have always been fond of Kit Car designs and processes. Like you say, I can see this technology being revolutionary, democratising creativity and showing people that they can design things. Of course, everyone has the capacity to design, but people often don't think they have it in them until something like this tech, or this channel, comes along and opens their world. And this confidence could then grow and allow them to develop the skills such as sketching, driven by the desire to have something designed purely by their own hand. Yes, this technology could threaten design jobs in big automotive, but if they are employing the exact same tech that anyone in the street can use to design their cars, their products are going to lose all exclusivity and so having designers' names could become real selling points like they used to be in the 50s 60s and 70s. Think how they did partnerships that became famous in their own right, such as Triumph and Michelotti being synonymous. I think it is pertinent to think of this technology as "training wheels" for designers: It makes the idea possible in your mind, shows you that it can be done, after which human creativity can take it further.
Great explanation! That’s a unique way to look at it and one I hadn’t thought of yet. I feel this new method for ‘imagining’ ideas quicker will allow for more time in developing designs further.
The aspect Frank mentioned of taste will be especially important along with how you described designers being used as selling points for the cars.
Great comments Ben!
2:39 LMAOOOOO
Great video Frank!
Thanks!
you are the one of the best top 10 car designers
The problem I can see with ai is that it generally takes what cars had been in the past and mixes them up. No real innovation. Ai has a hard time creating new ideas but instead uses old ones and combines. It is possible a feedback loop may occur where the ai repeatedly produces cars that are similar to those that have been used in the past, and on seeing the positive impact of those cars creates another tired design. Possibly
What's impressive to me is how they are getting relatively good, consistent symmetry with perspective applied.
AI will replace designers, artists in many different areas and even programmers. It won`t replace 100% of the jobs but many of them and only few certain specialized places will be left for people, who will then use the AI to do these jobs.
Are you from the future sebas? Asking for a friend.
@@FrankStephensondesign It already happens, chatgpt can already write pretty decent programs and the recent controversy and capability about AI art is something you should have heard of if you haven`t lived under a rock. So you don`t have to come from the future to ascertain the present.
The ai’s impression of of a Mclaren SUV looks more like a heavily modified off-road Lamborghini Urus. Almost like a SEMA build lol.
That’s literally the best take on AI’s impact on the industry, not biased and pointed out everything there’s about it… also, ChatGPT is super biased, ask it about some of the historical events and you’ll be surprised how much code has been put into to it, to give a completely left wing opinion… that’s shameful.
Thank You,Sir.
There is this huge misunderstanding that AI as we have it today can create. It can't. It just recombines existing things it has been trained with in new ways. Looking at the outputs may inspire a human to create something innovative so there can be some actual progress.
When AI creates a Roma, I'll be impressed. Art is not soulless.
You can ask it for Basquiat, but you'll never get Basquiat.
06:19 that's some fingers there chief.
Very interesting, but having had a deep course of AI at MIT, I have concluded that AI has been highly exaggerated / hyped do drive commerce.
Silicon transistors are close to their smallest possible molecular size, whilst quantum computing isn’t the answer either for many reasons going too far to elaborate on here.
This is why progress of computer technology has slowed down significantly. Atm, I’m typing this on a 10 year old computer with ease and full compatibility with everything around me, which was unheard of in the earlier stages of computer advancement.
AI in all its essence is nothing more than fast connected algorithms. As with each algorithm, it produces what is put in. I agree that complexity adds speed and can extract from wider references, but it remains... uncreative. And be reminded that the first ever tiny chess programme was called AI as well...
Drawing ever more from automation has proven to reduce human creativity significantly, and I do see this confirmed with younger generations who have set themselves up to depend too much on it. They can even panic in situations they can’t solve by some simple creative thinking.
Computers (and AI) help with routine work indeed, but not replace human creativity. The human brain is a fast changing / adapting cognitive mega complex organ, constantly able to process a mega bulk of signals parallel and flexible, come up with entirely new concepts, constructing new bio pathways and connecting synapses; finding new ways out of the box. Computer technology simply can’t offer this, nor will it be able to within the evident physics limitations given.
Interesting subject nonetheless.
Great feedback Linda, thanks! 👍
As someone who is currently getting into Industrial Design, these tools have great potential much like many others in the digital space such as photoshop or the internet to aid us in creating more.
I’ve already tested a few AI tools to better understand them with an open mind and it showed me new workflows which were not possible before hand, it also gave me more time to focus on developing areas of a design which are usually rushed because I was able to spend less time on traditional ideation. Again, it is just a tool, don’t see it as a human replacement, these innovations are actually more like an assistant to help augment our current workflows.
What AI did you use for the images in the video @Frank
Hey Frank, Please Design a BMW X5 that will last a Million Miles.😆
Considering the way modern cars look, I'm sure AI can do better.
A.I. and robots will take at the bare minimum, 50% of jobs in due time.
What's the name of the tool Frank is using in this episode to generate pictures?
Dall-E
@@FrankStephensondesign Thank you
i do find Ai EXCITING
The holy grail will be when they can simulate trillions of human brains and use AI to test the brains reaction to trillions of different design iterations/combinations. That could unlock the ultimate in design. The design would invoke the maximum pleasure in the the human brain possible.
absolutely mindblowing video.
On the topic of "Which McLaren SUV concept excites you most?" - NONE! I say we have more than enough SUVs to choose from. Give us more fun cars from other categories!