7MM Performance Part 1
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- Randy goes over a bit of progression of the 7MM and the different 7MM performances, how they relate to each other in performance and desirability for big game hunting. Are the new calibers better than the first 7MM’s?
Sir we need more Americans like you and this would be a better Country if we had more people like you who understood the true aspect of hunting and a reverence for the game that we are blessed to take
Mr. Selby knows more about gunsmithing than the internet does he is incredible
I appreciate your historical knowledge and that you actually knew so many of the legendary ammo designers and wildcat folks. I also enjoy your telling-it-like-it-is manner; you don’t hype anything, just straight shooting!
Another great video, thanks for posting!
Dear Sir, its a completely plesure to hear you everytime. I´m writing my self a hunting book speaking about the Spanish Game and you are always one of my favorite references. God Bless
a lot of hunters have forgotten the get closer part. I always thought the get closer part was hunting.
Randy,the more I listen to you,the MORE respect I have for your hunting ethics!!!!!!!! You did take the wind out of my sails when you discussed the 7mm mag. {my favorite) LOL Excellent info,KEEP THEM COMING!!!!!!!!!!!
Wind still pushes the old 7mm RM a bit faster(Don't fold your sails) Won't change mine, The 7mm Wapiti about 7mm RUM, BUT when as available as the 7 mm RM, might make the change, a 7mm on a 300 WM much likelly but still a wildcat, as well as a 7mm on a 300WBY.
The 7 mm RUM the only fact ammo/rifle that will make it to Randy's Wapiti
I use the 7mm Remington mag exclusively. It simply works. I don't shoot game at stupid distance. It groups under an inch with factory ammo. 7mm Rem mag is a good entry level elk cartridge especially if you do get lucky to hunt elk in Kentucky, Pennsylvania or Virginia. I think that's where it shines in woodland environments. Also if you are an inexperienced younger hunter and recoil from larger magnums is an issue. To me 7mm Rem mag's felt recoil isn't much more than 30-06. You keep your shots 400 and in you are golden. I also emphasize use the correct bullet as well. The Eld-x and SST is OK for deer, antelope and Varmints. Don't use said bullet on elk same with hogs and black bear. Since I hunt mainly in VA and PA our problem is coyotes. We contend with that every year. Here's something interesting, 7mm Rem mag can be loaded down safely to .280 Rem/.270 Win velocities for whitetail hunting. I like the 140gr Nosler partition, or accubond going around 2900fps. I like the 7mm Rem mag because of versatility, load it down for woodland deer, run normal Accubonds, and partitions in160gr and 175gr loads for hogs, black bear and elk. I don't like hail Mary shots. I prefer to shoot game no further and in inside, my rifles maximum point blank range. No farther than 400 tops. I agree that this elr (extreme long range) stuff should stay into the tactical and competition world. In my opinion this ELR junk has become popular because of the tactical and competition world. A lot of technologies the military uses has become affordable to civilians. Manufacturers need to sell their wares to civilians because the military doesn't need this stuff anymore. Gun writers get paid from said Manufacturers whether they like to admit to it or not. These Gun writers act as salesman for any Manufacturer. Often times they promote bad habits that are quite frankly unethical. In my neck of the woods these gun writers sell the lie and encourage folks to use 22 cal centerfires for deer! Ive seen and heard of stories of guys losing deer shot with .223's. People like shiny new things that's how they get you. People view what some of these gun writers have to say as Gospel. Gun Writers should focus on the Truth. High BC'S ,that only matters in tactical and competition applications. High BC'S only help with wind deflection. It's not by a significant margin like the salesman make it out to be. When you hunt at reasonable and ethical ranges for most people which is 200-300 yards high bc bullets don't really matter and it's a moot point. It's bullet construction. This is especially true if you hunt mainly in woodland environments. Well anyway, know that your videos and knowledge are appreciated. I wish more folks would listen to what you have to say and would quit drinking the proverbial coolaid.
Thats a stretch into conspiracy theory. According to your point of view there is someone with similar values, a shared love of hunting and shared enjoyment of firearms lying in wait to deceive you in every video or magazine article to make a commission that amounts to pennies. That is just non sense. Let people think for themselves. Yes people suck at this, but its not your place or my place to control them. I take ethical shots and teach my students to improve their skills and get closer rather than risk the animal. I never take a shot for which I have not proven the exact rifle, ammunition, scope, etc on paper targets at the exact range, grouped at that exact range, and done the calculations to determine sufficient energy and velocity is remaining for the bullet to perform. But expecting everyone else to do that just because we do it is an unreasonable expectation. We just need to coach and promote the best ways, stay upbeat, laugh at the sillyness. People will always be silly.
@@jackieonassis7438 well said.
@@jackieonassis7438I had a coach once tell me “If I expect 100 percent from you, I might get 90 percent .”
I think you need to redefine “unreasonable. “ And unethical behavior is never “silly. “
I have a 7mm that I have used for close to just a little over 10 years. Its a necked down 338 Lapua. I neck the brass down to 7mm-338 Lapua. Its excellent. I've had huge success with the rifle. I shoot two bullets out of it, 160 graiin accubond and just within the last 2 years the 175 long range Accubond. Its impressive with the 175's. Poweder I'm using is U869 filled almost to capacity. But not crushing Compress. 106.7 grains. My muzzle velocity is averaging 3575 FPS. @ the muzzle.
It’s an absolute pleasure to listen to your knowledge ! ( thank You ! 🇨🇦)
Thanks Randy, I like your stuff, don't always agree but cartridge talk is a matter of personal experience and hunting situations.
Keep going buddy.
How about doing a piece on the Cutting Edge Monolithic " bore rider" bullets. ( others are made in South Africa)
Spendy, cnc turned and by my experience they shoot well
Huge muzzle velocitiy and low pressures. In my case- .270 wcf, 130 gain CE mth @ 3250/ 24" tube/ Reloder 16.
It has a pinhole hollowpoint and must be careful chambering as it could bump and close the hollowpoint.
Sir, you have probably forgotten more than most of us will ever know. Thanks for the history lesson and for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. 👍
Randy, I truly admire and respect that you tell it like it is. Fact is that yes the whiz kids make false claims and a less than knowledgeable public that will ignorantly buy into the wrongfully promoted propaganda. Being done to promote sales with blatent disregard for honesty and respect for game and customers. Thank you sir
Watching listening learning and being mentored by you from down here in New Zealand...respect and appreciation in spades...Thank you Sir!
“Like hell it is!” 😂😂😂 love it!
I have seen a custom 280AI with 26in tubes run 175gr class bullets in the 2900+fps. Also a long throated 7Rem mag will sling same bullets at advertised 7prc velocitys.
I am a huge 7mm Rem Mag fan and I think Mr. Selby's dear friend, Mr. Bowman, got it right with what we need in a general big game round. A 160gr Nosler Accubond at 3100fps gives enough energy for elk and moose size game, enough velocity to expand the bullet properly and accuracy to as far as I need or want to shoot, around 600yds. And all with manageable and acceptable recoil. This is all done with around 65gr. powder, much more efficient than a 300 Win Mag shooting a 20gr heavier bullet with 10gr more powder to only get around 150 ft. lb. more energy at any given range with the same bullet design.
Love my Spanish mauser in 7x57 got a big boy yugo also 8x57 mauser to
I enjoy all your videos and appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
Mary Louise DeVito set the world record in September 1970 with a group of 7.687 inches it has since been passed. She was an original PA 1000 yd shooter. I believe it was a 7mm based of the 300 weatherby. Randy If you know more of this shooting etc please fill us in. Love your videos. Todays world is all about "new" and marketing and getting likes and views in social media. Its impossible to do today that hasn't already been done. Most guys would want their action 1/2" longer but when it comes to rifles shorter is better I guess. LOL😁
I absolutely made a mistake, I didn't take this man's word as advice. But after reloading for a 7 rem mag I'd do anything for a one on one conversation with this man. He knows his stuff. Maybe one day I'll be able to have him build me a rifle.
You are welcome to call, weekday mid-to late afternoons, or email. Information on the site.
Thanks!
If you want a 175-180grain bullet to do 3100 buy a 28 nosler. Bc doesn’t kill game, bullets impacting above minimum expansion velocity does.
Mr. Selby is a living legend among us, enjoy and learn from him. G.
Sage advice. 175g Sierra BTSP peforms similar to a 175g Nosler partition. Buy all you can get your hands on.
Having graduated HS, around 65-early66 I decided I needed a big game centerfire rifle. A sporting goods store in a nearby big city had a selection of used rifles on the wall, and that surplus 98 Mauser for $18, if I remember, became mine! I bought a box of surplus 8mm to go with it and headed out to the desert to try it out. Not one round out of 20 fired. I guess 20 years was past the shelf life of WWII German primers. I took the rifle back and paid the extra dollar or two to upgrade to the other 98 Mauser on the wall, a somewhat sporterized (stock shortened and varnished) which had been chambered to .30-06. It began life as a 1909 Argentine Mauser, and I've since learned many were later converted from 7.65 mauser to .30-06, even though the barrel's were in .311 caliber. I never new of this back in the 60's, and never shot it with anything but the stock military sights, so have no idea how it grouped. I ended up using the rifle to learn DIY gunsmithing, and I think the disassembled parts are still around here somewhere. In the early 70's I was thinking of rebarreling to 6.5-06, but soon lost the urge. I too used to oogle at the Herter's catalog, and do remember those U-9 Mauser actions. I did end up with one of their extra beefy "U" single stage presses, which I still have. And those fancy wood stock blanks in the catalog in full color sure looked nice, too!
The 7mm PRC is basically a modernized 7mm Rem Mag. Some people don't want a magnum length action.
#therealgunsmith thanks for sharing your knowledge and story’s. You upfront transparent and a realist, no bs and have real world experience. You ability to convey a informative message with great detail is second to none.
We all stand on your shoulders!
Should listen to Randy he's a damn smart old fella
Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.
Great video! As always love your stuff Randy. Can you maybe one day do a video on the 9.3x62 mm? This is one of my favorite cartridges, and loaded to modern levels around 60,000 psi it has been phenomenal for me. I know it’s not very popular round in the states, and I’ve only used mine on deer but I believe it would be a fantastic elk cartridge for the guys hunting in thicker country. Right now I’m running 250 grain nosler accubonds at 2620-2650 fps. Also running 286 grain bullets around 2520 fps. I believe a video by you would do great justice to this extremely great old round.
Thanks.
This is a very good round. You are doing well with it.
Thanks for watching.
good thing I can speed this up to 1.5x. Thank you for the share.
Thank you so much for your knowledge Sir.
I just inherited a 7mm STW built by Ray Perry and am looking to load for it. I appreciate your information.
The 3150 velocity is AT THE MUZZLE & probably drops down around 2980 at around the 100 yard distance
7 prc standard length action, no belt, ability to shoot heavier bullets in factory rifles, slightly better than a magnum length belted 7 mag so why wouldn’t it catch on?
It is not a long range elk cartridge, lacks past 400 yards on energy, it only starts are 2800 fps.
Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmith we could certainly debate that as well as bullet selection, but what there is no debate on is the fact that the 6.5 prc is selling like crazy and the 7 will do anything it will do farther
@@jerryhorton2899 Sales volume vs performance are not the same thing.
@@JEJAK5396 true, but sales volume has everything to do with whether it “flops” or not.
@@TheRealGunsmith so I just got my 7 prc with a 24 inch barrel. 66 grains of RL 23 and it launches 180’s at over 3040 fps which according to my app is just over 2000 ft lbs at 600 yards
😁👍 Beautiful Presentation! 👏👏👏
For low velocity at long range. A soft and accurate bullet is needed . The front half of a Nosler partition is soft. I have hand loaded a few Noser partitions but never got the accuracy out of them as I have had with Sierra and Nosler Ballistic tips. The greater the distances one shoots the greater the accuracy needed by the shooter and firearm. 400 yards is plenty far enough to shoot critters. I'd guess a minimum velocity of 1800 feet per second and minimum of 1800 ft pounds of energy for elk size game.
Great lesson on history of 7 mms specially the large ones please shed some light on 7x64 mm and 280 AI and 7mm mauser when you feel comfortable please stay blessed with your family
Great suggestion!
I would love Randy to do a video on those cartridges! I’ve loaded some for the standard 280 rem not a lot though, the 280 ackley has always caught my eye. I love the 7x57/275 rigby and used one a few years on deer. I have a soft spot for some of the older European cartridges and would love a video on the 7x64. I would like to own one of them to go along with my two 9.3x62 mm’s.
Brother… You keep telling so much truth that it makes my head hurt! This modern world ain’t good at truth! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
While a 175 grain 7mm bullet is an impressive looking pill, the average velocity of it out of stock 7mm Rem. Mag. rifles and factory loaded ammo is where it all goes sour. The potential is there, but rarely realized.
Very interesting! Regards from Sweden
I love a 162 gr Hornady A-max running 3050 in a Remington mag ,, well over 1000lbs of energy at 1000yds
The 7PRC will be popular with factory target shooters. It doesn't seem to be necessary for hunting. Seems to be some strange confusion between target and hunting cartridges. Different tools for different jobs.
The confusion isn't cartridge related but bullet related. You have target and hunting bullets. The cartrage is irrelevant. The 7PRC is going to be a great hunting round for a few reasons. Suppressors are becoming more popular and with that, shorter barrels. The 7PRC is getting a 175gr to go 2925 out a 20". Also, an 8 twist barrel will stabilize 195gr bullet. That until recently has been 30 cal territory. The perfect do all hunting cartridge if you really think about it. Cheers 🍻
@@kylemartin832Bullets are a good point. I'm not sure the 7PRC is going to do anything more for hunting than a 7RM with an appropriate length throat. As stated I can see 7PRC being great for long range target shooting but at any ethical hunting distance there are plenty of existing great options.
@@redrock425 Hey, remember the 260 Remington? It got taken out by a "target cartridge" 😂🤣😅 so, don't be so sure of your 7RMs survival in the next few decades ✌️
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your Randy...
Same to you!
Everyone talk about this caliber is better than that one and this one is faster this and that. Use what works and don’t worry about the other guy. I don’t care what the other people use because I use whatever works for me. A friend of mine uses a single shot 30-30 and she gets more deer than most
Point well taken about ethics and common sense… Even concerning bears finding the kill before you can recover it… I am with you on that…
But…
The number of elk in Wyoming has nearly doubled from approximately 65,000 in 1980 to just around 117,000 in 2021. There are currently 35 elk herds statewide with the largest being the Jackson herd. (Oct 13, 2022)
Wyoming is home to around 600 bears. Some of these bears live in Yellowstone National Park, which is largely located in Wyoming. The grizzly population of the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem has gone from 136 bears in 1975 to an estimated 730 bears today. (Nov 4, 2022)
That may be in OTHER Parts of the state and even here they say elk are at or above objectives. Sadly, their objectives have dwindled greatly. In areas 55 and 56, the two areas covering our valley, North Fork of the Shoshone, the # of elk is, compared to pre-wolf era, down 80-90%, depending on the year. We know, we live and cover the back country. Using their own data obtained a few years ago, from 1998, when #'s started dwindling, up to 3 years ago, we'd had over 6,000 cumulative elk draw tags taken out of these two areas alone! That is criminal. And we've lost more draw tags since.
And those griz, in YNP alone, by their observations, kill and eat up to over 90% of the elk calves in days.
Our elk herds in this area, while looking better than they have for a long time, are still not here during elk season. The #'s they use are from data collected in Jan and Feb, away past the hunting season.
But those elk, since they are migratory aren't here during the season.
We are WELL aware of the "stats" you posted, but our living, breathing and covering this country for my life time and our youngest son's, who covers even more ground than I do, proves their propoganda does not hold water in these two areas.
Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmithAs I have learned with most things in life, it’s very different when you live it. ✝️
Not at all the 7x57 is still the best 7mm in my opinion, but I'm not a professional hunter or gunsmith so take it with a grain of salt. I love the 7mm caliber and own a 7mm-08, 7mm RM, and 280 AI. I've shot several 7mmx57mm and always want to buy one but have not yet.
Love my 7mmstw with 175
Same thing I use. He finally admits it's the optimum performer. End of discussion.
Like the videos, but didn’t the Weatherby 7mm come out years before the 7mm rem and they are almost the same?
7 prc for the win. Awesome cartridge
I used WC 860 with my 7mm STW with great success.
Your assessment of the Hornady ELD-X bullet is quite true, as is your thoughts on the foolishness of extreme long range hunting practices. The rest, however, is much like the ramblings of Elmer Keith.
this is what the world is missing
knowledge by experience not
knowledge by internet
Videos like these, with true knowledge are unfortunately very rare!!! Telling the real truth! Congratulations!
Look guys let’s all just end all the debate buy us a 30-378😂. The ol 30 howitzer as I call it😂😂😂
🤠 Yes, this "Extreme Long Distance Shooting" at game animals shouldn't be going on AT ALL is correct! 🤢🤮
.....been shooting the 7MM RM since my late Father bought his first one in 1974,....shooting it out to 1200 yds. for the first time in 1978, & preferring it over the 300 WM then, not too mention, the seemingly superior performance, I have had many, & as of the past 10 years the 7MM RM has been my go-to out to 1400 yds. & I enjoy shooting it more than my .338 Lapuas that I have been shooting out to a mile & beyond since 1996 with my first Sako TRGS, then the Sako TRG42 in 2003, then some customs.....lol.....longrange target was no longer a hobby since 1975, it became a sickness......lol
I necked the 300 prc to 7mm it is running 180 gr at almost 3300 vel and 175 at over 3300 .
Just wondering !what would you think about a 505Gibbs necked down to .308 caliber with a certain shoulder angle and barrel twist ?
Very oversize case for .308 diameter.
Thanks for watching.
Archery is buy nature low on energy so u supplement with weight and wound channels so shooting 900 yards is like using light arrow with a field tip might kill but who knows
As to those four inch groups at 700 yards, was that a four inch group for each load, or all four of the loads in the same four inch group? This was not clear to me. I would load the Remington Core Lokt 175 grain spitzers with the WC 860 and three shots touching. A super deer load with my 28 inch barrel.
Watch, listen again. Four brands of bullets, 3 shots each for composite 12 shot group of 4".
Thanks for watching.
Which cartridge do you prefer 7mm rem mag or 28 nosler
28 Noslers, given the two options.
Thanks for watching.
vary interesting and informative ,,,,,,I would love to here all your thoughts on the 300 h/h magnum and its capabilities,,
I load my .300 H&H with IMR4831, 165-180 gr. Barnes XTX BT 3275-3150 fps. Nothing left wanting.
Thanks for watching.
Hello Sir!!! I hope you're having a blast with all you do. Question, if you have the opportunity: I'd like to know what you think of the Remington 7mm RM 150 grain core lokt tipped cartridges?
I believe the standard corelokt is better. Less violent expansion.
Thanks for watching.
Thank you for saying what needed said. Hornady makes crap hunting bullets. They are ok with varmint and target bullets, but they don't make hunting bullets. They do have a couple in their catalog, but they are not being made. BTW, Partition bullets are scarcer than teeth on a worm. Seems like the only good hunting bullet one can find around here is a TTSX. It seems like if one wants good hunting ammo, he has to make it himself.
Hornadys Outfitter CX all copper bullets are pretty good. The ELDX is junk for heavier game.
Randy, your 7mm/.300 Win Mag sounds almost exactly like the Mashburn. Why did no not simply go with the Mashburn?
I could not get Mashburn dimensions at the time, but they are very close.
Thanks for watching.
The 7 PRC , ( how stupid could they be ) !….. EXACTLY Watch the full video and you’ll learn something !
My 7mm is a mauser
I have shoot animals with high powered rifles from ten yards they. Still run but if I had softer bullet it might of had chance to expand
Sir..what is your honest opinion on the 7 STW
Loaded with 175 Hornady Interlocks, 175 Nosler Part or Nosler LR AB, it is great for harvesting game.
Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmith thank you very kindly..I greatly appreciate you answering my question
What are your thoughts on the Speer grand slam 175? Out of a 7 wby
Very good results.
Thanks for watching.
You said you purchased a Herters u9 FN barreled action made in Yugoslavia. I think you’re mixing manufacturers up. FN actions were always made in Belgium. Your U9 action was most likely a commercial Mauser action basically a copy of the fn made by Zastava factory in Yugoslavia same as the old interarms imported Mark X actions and rifles. They still make them to this day though they are no longer Yugoslavia.
I don't like to see Randy get so upset. Game reports don't account for all the missed and misplaced shots where the animal ran off and died days later. I think we must let people have the freedom to fail, but there is also a responsibility that comes along with freedom to be honest and do the right thing even if doing the right thing means you don't get sales. All we can do is lead and encourage others in the right direction, teach and model the best knowledge and methods.
A 7 mag in a 26” barrel with a 1:8.5 or faster can shoot a 195gn Berger over 2900fps
Except they are target bullets, not game bullets and the focus of my discussion if hunting game.
Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmith the 195gn bullet is a hunting bullet. It’s a Elite hunter bullet from Berger.
@@SpudOutdoors I could be wrong, but I think Mr. Selby's point is that the Berger Elite hunter is not a game bullet, no matter the name they give it. It's wideley accepted that the Bergers are all very thinly constructed and not designed for deep penetration, in fact they perform the opposite. Typically penetrating about 3" and then massive fragmentation. Yes, they kill under some circumstances, but not the best game bullet design.
@@johnfaulkner4067 3” gets its through the hide and bone then it’s implodes destroying all vitals. That is the point of the bullet and it’s design. Not all bullets have to kill the same way. The bullet does exactly as it is advertised to do so. And has excellent terminal performance. So yes it is a hunting bullet.
Say the elk your shooting at 800-1000 yds away takes a subtle side step and your Berger bullet enters back towards the hip area and some how by miracle this puts the angle of the shot to wear the exit would still be through the vitals and out the far front shoulder… will the Berger or eldx type of bullet penetrate three inches and hit any vitals? No is the true answer and now we have a bull who runs off then dies two weeks later. You can say all you want about how you would make sure it was broadside and perfect conditions and may say like the others “well it’s killing game all the time” but the problem is it doesn’t make it ethical or right and no one wants to talk about all the poor shots and the point behind the bullet construction argument the poor hits on the animals. It’s so simple to realize you need penetration and bullets with the constructial intregrety to drive through bone, hide and vitals because it’s hunting and hunting and there is never perfect conditions while hunting period. I’ve seen myself what those bullets do when they hit any bones or even just a rib cage at close and far range and they are not what you want or need in a hunting bullet. Well I take it back they are good on predators and ground squirrel. The best analogy I’ve heard lately with the long distance debate is watch a video of all these guys shooting at targets 1000yds away under controlled environmental conditions with out the adrenaline rush of a 380” bull on the other end of the barrel and see how many hit the 24x24 steel plate with a cold barrel and that should be evidence enough this bs is un ethical and unacceptable. But then again we’re all entitled to an apinion of or own thank goodness. Thanks to you Randy I understand and appreciate what your truly trying to accomplish with these videos. It’s not to point but to teach and I respect you for that reason!
Well it is ron shelby guys have to ask yall how many elk you killed vs mr. Shelby
another story thats out of control, is the supposed penetration ability of 6.5 bullets, not true at all, the 7mm prc is a stupid cartridge,, a man bun cartridge,,redundant ,like the 6.8 western,, take a 270 winchester,put a fast twist barrel on it, and it has the same velocity as the 6.8, and it feeds much better through the action,
As far as bullets that were made in the mid /late 90's are NOT as good as modern ammunition...There's a way better SEAL around the primer...the projectile... Therefore WAY BETTER VELOCITY along with Bullet Technology
Still hard to beat a 300 Holland and Holland or a 300 weatherby!
Especially the 300 WBY ! For hunting a 180 gr bullet at 3300 fps is hard to beat !……..
Amen!
I just STRONGLY URGE Hunters not to Buy the MORE EXPENSIVE Ammo.. Because if you have your SCOPE set ANY BULLET will work...I've done it for 20 years now!!! DON'T MAKE THE RICH RICHER... help the Small Guys out
Both is better
I'm waiting for a 7mm on the 378 Weatherby case 🤯 or should I just jump up to a CheyTac ??
Maybe I could call in an A10 with depleted uranium cartridges ???
Seriously, I understand delivering sufficient energy down range.
I don't believe that elk, or any game animal should be used/treated as a "target".
Yes (as another gentleman/commentor already stated), if the animal was wounded, you do what you must to put the animal down, but shooting at an unmolested elk at 700 plus yards is (IMO) unnecessary and irresponsible. The vast majority of people simply cannot shoot at those distances no matter what school they go to.
An old friend of mine, now passed, rip Tom, built a 7mm-378 wby some years ago now. It was based on the classic Mauser98 action with , if I remember correctly, a 30 or so inch barrel. This was built about 35 years ago(or more) and he was way ahead of the current fashion for long and heavy bullets. With the powders available at the time, he could not get the full potential from the cartridge. I used to tease him that he should grind up some charcoal briquettes for propellant. I would love to see what some of the newer powders could do with that cartridge.
100 lbs for 100$...goodness
If he only knew how many deer has been killed with a 22mag from about 100 yards lol five shots with a 7mm to just kill an elk is a little overwhelming
Randy, do you have kids and grandkids? If not I would love for you to adopt me!
Three kids, 8 grandkids, 1 great-grand and another on the way. Thanks for the great compliment, however!
This is going on in archery too light arrows with shit mechanical broadheads light energy u need heavy weight with a big wound channel
1200 ft lbs barely enough to kill a deer? Right...people have dropped deer with far less for decades. Just admit that Hornady is threatening your business model by designing superior cartridge and chamber dimensions for FACTORY rifles. This is undercutting your business as the average joe can buy a great factory rifle cheaper than a custom one and not need special dies to reload for it. I was skeptical of the new cartridges but I'm seeing more PRC stuff around than I anticipated. The future is now.
I already ha e my 7mm prc and its really fun testing it with my 28 nosler
What you don’t understand is a bullet won’t open below 1800 fps some 2000fps. At that point your shooting elk with a full metal jacket..Do you bow hunt with field tips too?
@Alex sounds like an argument against Nosler partitions and one for Hornady ELD-X for longer distances...didn't think that one through did you? You're right there is a minimum expansion velocity, and tougher the bullet the less likely it is expand at distance. But I agree with Randy's opinion, that we shouldn't be taking big game much beyond 500-600 yards. Too many variables. The ELD-X bashing is over the top though as plenty of people have taken large game with them. Sure at close range they're going to frag with high velocity, but it's about knowing your gear. There is no perfect solution in hunting unless you're setting up over a food plot at a known distance where you control the variables.
yet dudes kill elk at 800 yards with a .308 win
🙄 The difference at 500 yards, between the two cartridges (7mm Remington Magnum and 7mm prc) using the same 175 grain Nosler ABLR bullet is 3/4" difference in drop and, with a 10 mph cross wind, is 1/10" difference in wind drift! If you really think you can shoot that difference with any consistency, then you are totally delusional! But, if you could, it would make absolutely No Difference in the actual outcome for "hunting purposes"! This is ALL "Marketing Hype"! 🤮
There’s a reason your 60 year old wildcats never made it to saami acceptance. Hornady has done their homework on this line of cartridges and they’ll be around for awhile. You said the same thing about the 6.5cm and they’ve been flying off the shelf for 15 years.
Stick to 1960’s tech and watch the world evolve around you.
I call bull.Anybody that’s ever grouped rounds knows damn well you don’t take 8 rounds out of 4 boxes from 4 different manufacturers and shoot 41/2 inches at 700 yards. If this guy ever built one rifle that would do this every hunter in the world would be on his waiting list. And by the way when did you develop the Wapiti express again? In the 40’s? Cause you just said on video the STW came along 18 years later but some guy was shooting it in 1000 yards comps in 1962
Hornady bullets are high frangible junk!!!!!
Some might be but not the interlock. It’s a good bullet.
Getting closer is what hunting should be. Sometimes the closest you can get is 400 yards across a canyon, which means there’s a river or creek between you and the elk; I would have to pass that one up here in Western Oregon.
Always enjoy the discussions on here. Currently thinking about a 7mm-08 for my whitetail mule deer gun.
IMHO the 7mm08 is an unsung hero in the hunting world.. I haven't shot anything past 350 yards with mine yet(don't really plan to either). But everything I've shot with it; mule deer, and elk. Has been bang flops. Low recoil and plenty of energy to bust thru an elks shoulders.
You won't be disappointed. I have a 7-08 in a bergara b 14 and it shoots moa or less with all the factor loads I have shot in it. Works excellent on deer. Longest shot on a deer that I have made was a little over 300 yards. 139 gr hornady interlock through both lungs and out the other side.
I bought a Cooper firearms in a 28 nosler 4 years ago . Great gun for sitting on a hillside glasing and taking long shots " longest shot 525" but it's on the hevey side for hiking all day with. Last year I bought a Howa in a 7mm-08 nice light little gun I plan on buying some 308 brass and necking them down to 7mm-08 and loading them up with some 140 grain barns ttsx.
You not be disappointed. I own many and the 7mm-08 is the rifle I reach for most. Dispatches deer perfectly and doesn’t batter your shoulder
I understand every gun is different, just what I found with mine, I shot 140 nosler accubonds, and had a heck of a time drumming up a load with 140 grain ttsx that would pattern worth a dang. I ended up having to drop down to a 120 grain ttsx and throw a max charge at it as everything I read stated they thrived on speed. That being said it retains 98 percent weight, so it's still delivering the energy of a lead core bullet that typically retains 63 percent.. take it for what it's worth just my experience
Excellent story
Another great video. But I think I'll just stick with my 30-06 . As Randy said once. Right in the armpit folks. With my 30-06, 100% confidence, humane and 100% lethal at ethical shooting distances.
Dear Randy, The Whole BC controversy down the drain, Ha,Ha,Ha, There is nothing like your Experince to set Us Straight
Thankyou for educating us all.
Would that be the same action in the m48 that you had in the barreled action you bought?
I am unsure what you are referring to. Form your answer as a question so I will be sure to see it.
Thanks for watching.
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I have a Ruger 77 Hawkeye chambered in 7 mike mike Remington magnum. I wish it had a giant box mag like my 77/44 lol. I have it topped with a 4-12x Leopold scope with parallax adjustment. Worked up a medium heavy powder charge load with 175gr. Sierra SP bullet for future Elk work. Based on powder charge and accuracy it should be good out to 400. Time will tell.