When I think of elegance and grace, I think of my Great Uncle. He carried himself with such dignity. He was courteous and kind. Always wore a suit to church, and a hat when he was out on the street, which he removed immediately upon entering a building. He was a man of humble means, but his presence was unmistakable. He was well respected in his community, because he was unmistakably a man of character. His wardrobe was small, but what he had was well maintained, of good quality and fit perfectly. Always appropriately dressed for every occasion, understated elegance. Class has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with character, manner and wisdom. There are rich people with little class, and poor people with plenty of class.
Well stated. As a freshman in college, I asked my father to send me his old, well worn rain coat when he finally purchased a new one. A dorm-mate of mine was with me when I opened it and remarked, "Nice, a Burberry trench with a zip in liner. You'er ready for anything." I told him it was my dad's hand-me-down, and he said , "Even better." We were fast friends.
I have so enjoyed this and many of your other ytube videos. I was taught the top class way of looking at life but never had a name for it. I was always a little different than my friend now I know why. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
My aunt use to work for a super rich family. They gave her several bespoke suits to give me. I had had them tailored and wear them in my rotation. These suits led me down the Sartorial rabbit hole. I have commissioned some of my own suits. How you show up makes a big difference. Thank for these videos.
Hugo and I laughed when you mentioned going down the Sartorial rabbit hole. This behavior of passing on bespoke suits to others is just incredible. Thank you for writing your story here. ~Sonya
Do you mind me asking what super rich means in this context? I quite like setting financial goals for myself and the ability to commission multiple bespoke suits is one of them.
merci ! thankyou ! Sonya,,when i ,lived in an ashram in India , there was a sign above the shoes racks ,, (no shoes inside of temples or any indoor buildings) "LEAVE YOUR EGO WITH YOUR SHOES" a feeling of modest equality was part of becoming a stronger less clunky human. Having met several top class wonderful people , they seem to glow with "less is more" discreet , gentle, ease its a significant pleasure to be around such people , makes the world more beautiful .
Beautifully said....I met a top class person..he was a gentleman...a supporter of many good causes...for example at the high school where I work as a teacher this person paid for a special project that the school needed...his name was never announced...a very discreet person...please continue to let us hear your wonderful words..be safe..stay safe...be blessed
This just got deep and philosophical. You speak of the modest rich being genuine in character. I've met a few but more experience with the opposite I have: An admittedly penniless snake bragging about their designer items, bragging about their hair and makeup and clothes acting like an entitled princess when in fact they are the poorest 1 in the room.
These are the stories I appreciate knowing. I can visualize the scenario of "the top class gone bad". I'm glad you took the time to write, thanks! ~Sonya
A friend of mine who flew for various saudi royal families told me exactly the same . The "less important "families would wear all the labels and flashy things on display etc , whereas the "highest up" would dress so casual you would never think they were extremely wealthy or important.
I was a private banker many years ago and my clients came from new money (upper class) and old money (top class) and your description of their respective style is pretty spot on. I remember the first time I met an elderly client (old money) for lunch...he bicycled from his West Village condo to Gotham Bar and Grill dressed in ratty clothing. There was nothing in his appearance that would've indicated that he was a member of the 'ultra high net worth' clique. However, that wasn't true for British old money...they flew in from UK and the gents and ladies always dressed impeccably, but it wasn't affectation it was their day to day style.
Discretion, good manners, a slightly self-deprecating sense of humour and an understated but pleasing personal style all help to build self-confidence and put others at their ease. Thank you for making this video.
Sonya & Hugo are awesome. They are focusing on clothes & fashion to make society a little bit better. We need more people like them. I love the way they talk, what they talk about and their attitude to life. Thank you to both of them.
When hearing what you said, I'm reminded of the classic idea of the gentleman in a Jane Austen novel. I'm also reminded of several things that have nothing to do with money. In the US, we tend to associate class with economic statue, and I think that's most unfortunate. I think true class and elegance rise above money. I like to think that elegance is a kind of maturity that expresses who our best self is. That should vary from individual to individual. I can so relate to your Timex story. I always fly with a cheap but functional Timex precisely because it can light up to show me what time it is when i sleep. In so doing, I wouldn't have to turn the light on to disturb any of my neighbors in the same cabin. I personally think that we can all be classy, rich, poor or middle class.
I could not have summarized your point any better in regard to how elegance relates to maturity, and how money, to some degree, is not always relevant. Thanks for your comment, ~Sonya
I completely agree. Of course financial means allow access to education (please don t confuse this with higher level instruction), books, travel, experiences. But only class makes the intangible valuable in my opinion: the company, the harmony and completeness of the moment, sensibility. Now more than ever there is no excuse to try and better yourself. I ve been following the channel for a while now and really enjoy the content. Take care, Dieter.
Of all of the videos I've watched on your channel, I enjoyed this one most. I would appreciate more similar content (elegance, manners/etiquette, behavior, etc.).
Such a powerful discourse, being discrete brings distinction to know and be known for that whereas elegance sets you apart from the crowd by giving one the freedom to be themselves and demonstrate that
My mother grew up in an old money family based between New Jersey and Maryland, though she did not carry that wealth on herself. When I was growing up she spoke often about the differences between old money people and those of new money, whom she said were called "codfish." Where this relates to your video is that she mentioned some of her more admired aunts who behaved precisely as you describe. Their cars were nondescript, their clothes were excellent quality, but subdued on appearance, they treated everyone with equal courtesy and consideration, and they never presented or displayed their wealth. Of course I have no money to speak of, and without a high perch I couldn't look down on many if I wanted to; but I do reflect on the lessons that my mother passed to me from her, as you say, discreet, family.
As sales assistant I confirm what she said, I worked for British ladies wear, old money always buy quality well made and tailored cloth,,, new money would skip our shop to designer more exciting bright stuff,,, manners also we're different.
Thank you for your speech, it was very interesting. It reminded me of what a professe of mine once said: Ethics show we respect ourselves, and manners show we respect others.
It is the unfortunate greenery of new money that we have such misconceptions about the rich. The poor are to be uplifted and the rich are never to be envied. Old money, aristocrats who gained their riches through meaningful acts, virtue and chivalry wanted not for it. Ofcourse one can find examples of greed in any strata of society or stage of life. But people who surrounded noble circles drawing their traditions from ancient nobles like King Arthur, were men of virtue. The women in their company were supposed to be some of the best of women. It is confidence and respect with good manners and good company of people we should all seek. Great vid Sonya! Thank you Sartorial Talks!
Absolutely brilliant!!! All of the money and pedigree in the world can’t buy “true” class and elegance! I adore and appreciate you and Hugo so very much! Thank you!!!!
It seems as if she is talking about the difference between old money and new money. I was once a member of the Kansas City Club the oldest Gentlemans Club in Missouri. This was before women were allowed. I solved a problem for the Club and I got in on an Mgrs. invitation. The difference between old and new money is very striking and on two completely different social levels. Old money would drive something like a 4 yr old Buick, usually something big and dark. The new money had the latest model Cadillac. I learned that quality is much preferred over quantity. Most of my clothing is bespoke, some of it I have had for years. My watches tend tobe 50s tank watches. I still wear a fedora. Straw for summer, fur felt for winter. Old money tends to be very reserved and anonymous. The lessons I learned there, by being quiet and listening (Being on an mgr invitation, I knew my place) on style, etiquette, and the mannerisms were worth as much as my education. The contacts are still friends nearly 60 years later. I learned how the world actually worked watching the very wealthy interact. It's a shame more people cannot have that experience.
Many thanks Sonya for touching upon this fondly appreciated and very important aspect of the sartorial talks. Rules, codes, traditions, philosophy and even ethics as well as the contrary of all these topics are of upmost importance to not only comprehending but also fully embrace the required sartorial behaviour. We need more of this type of content. Kudos.
In Milan we call it "understated." Yes, blending in the crowd according to the conformity of style as my observant eyes learned too after having lived in Milan, for decades. Every season, weather, venue, event, and even which day of the sunny days or rainy days are the combination of colours should be put together as an outfit. I talk about this but people don't understand.
ABSOLUTELY. I have been to Italy twice, and, as I told my nephew, one right of passage is for him to go there and discover the essence of style. How will I know, when I have found it, he asks. Look for an elderly man, with a grey beard. You will know it when you see him!
“You don’t have to be a natural born beauty to have a sense of style.” Spoken by an attractive lady. No I’m not flirting, just speaking the truth. 😎 Hope that makes your day! 🙂
Sonya, I was raised very much this way. It goes back to an old money perspective, often clothes have an emotional life of their own, by wearing a certain garment one is reliving the experience. There is a graciousness to this way too, conversations are not petty and one does not dwell on topics that would make others feel uncomfortable. For example, no conversations on one's wealth or lack there of, religion, and politics. Having a genuine concern for others and their well being is central.
I am so happy to be able to hear talks like this ! thank you Sonya- I look forward to more talks from you that dig deep into the roots of style among different class groups. I enjoy your sense of compassion
@@SARTORIALTALKS For perspective, among the possible sections or chapters for your book. I urge you to look at the success that Robert Greene's 48 laws book had. It seems like an associated topic to style and how to behave.
I couldn’t be able to take on a lot of my father’s clothing, because he was built a lot different than I am. However, there were a few things he had I do quite enjoy. Many of his ties looked terrific, even though he didn’t wear all of them. His collection of them surpassed over 100 easily. I was able to select a few that I like, and I still have. Another wasn’t clothing, but it’s fragrance. He was a big admirer of Aramis aftershave. He wore it every day before he went to work. Before his passing, he still had about 75% of it left. To keep it going, I decided to have that Aramis and wear it now and again. I’ll make sure to use it well, and in some way, carry his spirit.
Sonya, this was so informative and agreed. In my profession I've noticed this. There is a distinction between rich and wealthy; the "wealthy" would generally be considered "top class". Thank you for these videos, a wealth of information - pun intended. :)
Love the information. Good things to know. Especially in my position as a Bartender, where the practice of discretion and observation is of utmost importance. Thank you, Sonya ! (-:
Thank you for this Sonya! Could I make a request of you and/or Hugo? Could you explain clothing care, particularly with dress shirts and suits (esp. if they are staying hung up while working at home)? I learned a disappointing lesson leaving my collar stays in my shirts when dropping them off at the dry cleaners. However, also reading advice to not use dry cleaners so often in general. I know shoe care pretty well and have the brushes, polishes, and renovators that I need which has exposed how little I know how to care for the rest of my wardrobe. For reference, I just graduated college and starting a job in a law firm (well at home for the time being). Always deeply appreciate your content; thank you!
I definetly find that class may be connected to class, but not everywhere in europe. Its more complicated and both british and italian has there "essentials" not connected to any class equals style discussion or old money vs new money. Keeping it low-key as a philosophy of not showing wealth is not always simply being humble it is even a strategy of "warfare", being visible when necessary, but invisible for any other and being able to rattle youre jeweleries when necessary can be stylish just as being able to use one sartorial suit or garment with different situations although being with less, but both the british "keep calm and carry on" and the italian "sprezzatura" are both emotional states and these are in my opinion detached from any class-perspective its like any personal trait far more personal than the context u were born into. Its how to find youre own inner estetics and expressing yourself.
Excellent topic and discussion! I think the main takeaway from the talk is that class transcends money. We should be kind and respectful to everyone regardless of their race, gender, "social status", job, etc. Money doesn't make the person, their mannerism does. And I think style is a good way to tell others of what kind of person you are, though of course looks can always be deceiving. - Han
Sonja, it sounds like Zurich! Except for the young with supercars, the top is very discreet here. They are not flashy, but what they do have is of high quality. For example, they are less likely to have a gold Rolex with diamonds than a slim simple Patek Philippe, even though the Patek costs more. Also, spot on with toasting. If one doesn't look the other in the eye when toasting, it is basically being rude.
Sonya I know this is a men's/gentlemen's channel but please, please can you show us something about your wardrobe, your style etc.? I am a woman who is quite inspired by menswear and sartorial pieces and seeing you and your husband and friends talking about these things is amazing to me. It's so precious because channels like this are soo rare on YT. Thank you for all your work!
Apropos of nothing in particular, having been an article contributor to one of the best known James Bond lifestyle sites for ten years, I offer the following: Hugo would be an excellent Bond Villain, with his class, charisma and touch of mystery; Casino Royale would have been all the better had Monsieur Jacomet been cast in the role of Le Chiffre. On another note, Madame Jacomet is the type of woman I am happy to say is a very rare jewel; had every man had such a wife, I would have starved to death as a Divorce Attorney for all the years I practiced that particular dark art. Now, after offering the above amuse bouche, as an entreé the only other dish to serve, is a full plate of BRAVISSIMO! If your channel was an American shoe, it would have a width of Triple E.--Elegant, Exquisite, and Edifying with respect to the heights of men’s style.
Regarding the interests of the top-class in their surroundings: I believe it is not as a sign of disgust to the high-class/nouveaux-riches, but rather a sign of how well-educated they are. To seek knowledge/learnings from others is one of life's 101. Never be contemptuous onto others, you can always gain something from a conversation -with enough introspection and reflecting at hand. Everyone can teach you something. As the adage goes: "Sharing is caring". Share your knowledge and bliss.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you've said Sonya. There are a lot of nouveau riche in my country, India, and it's easy to see the difference in their behaviour as against someone who has had money in the family for generations.
Hello and thank you for asking. As interest seems to be growing, I believe it is time to review my wardrobe. I received word today of a project with Edward Sexton, so maybe after this suit, the time should be right to move forward. Again, thanks! ~Sonya
I agree! I would love to hear about your wardrobe. I find it very intriguing that you have adapted or modified a lot of the classic menswear to fit a more feminine style. You are always stunning with your choices!
The most importante its the color and the style with love in the suit,the shoes, the ties.I am very very passionate with love for the elegance and the stylishness😊
Good one, such an excellent talk. Style, design, the power of observation. All these factors can kick anyone's act upstairs. Thinking of people's paths about which I've read, they all have one thing in common: style. They were either born with it or learned by watching others. Very carefully. A Charvet cuff, a note writtten with a sterling silver Cross Townsend pen, a kind word. One does not learn these things in the classroom. The lessons are everywhere for the taking (as you just demonstrated). These philosophical themes are so terrific on your channel. Along with the clothing talks, of course. Wonderful!
I enjoyed your response and am inspired to push further on the topic of style and other musings, thanks to comments such as yours. Much appreciation ! ~Sonya
Found out about this video of your channel that I was already following , this is adsolutely recognizable, in my family although in this aerea in Belgium both wars took a lot of ‘effort’ (have no other word) in family’s wealth, as did the ‘Babyboom’ too. So in time no real wealth is left only a bit household and furniture. But I can say that indeed there are other things in life that count for me. As you say treating other peaple the right way and so on….your video does a good job already. I was immediatly thinking of my father that still says ‘ His father (1950’s) always said class has nothing to do with money ‘ . I am so lucky to have a restaurant and can recognize things you mention in some peaple too, I also use my values amongst peaple. That’s a good life, even with not that manny money because that becomes irrelevant at some point. ( and of course with age, I am 51 now) . Cheers and enjoy what there is when you can.
Agree with your observations Sonya. On top of that (pun intended) top class never speaks about money. And when it comes to shoes the top class excel with very high quality shoes (in case of men, simple cuts, leather soles, understated but many times very high end workmanship)... Thanks for your video, top video!
Well, it proves once again that an image is a tool. Those extremely rich are trying to fulfil the lack of being normal, not being perceived as just a concentration of money but as a personality. So, such an understated image is an extreme measure. It has nothing to do with elegance. Timex watch is neither an element of discerning taste nor is it a piece of elegance, it’s just a way to blend in. Most certainly, we shouldn’t consider such an approach as something proper, elegant or discerning in any way. It’s just a tool for certain kind of people.
As someone who enjoys works of Fantasy and how it works believably, I have also noticed that one things writers often keep in mind is how power struggles often shape how people conduct themselves. So for example, a royal who's family has been in power for generation, but could easily be deposed, makes a point to treat their subjects better than one who is not accustomed to the responsibility. I have also read similar things within the works of Machiavelli. So it's very interesting to hear you comment on how people of old money and new money sort of mirrors this.
Thoroughly enjoyed your insight, I work within the luxury jewellery industry where our discretion is key not only for decorum but for security of these exquisite pieces we sell to our clients.
Man, this is a vivid video, and really goes with my understanding of style (the reasons why, etc.) . Great video front to back; I will watch it again. I was reminded of some early Medici**, the one who made them big-time, something about how even after becoming rich he still wore his hunting jacket and cap every day and would personally ride out to check on his fields and personally speak to the workers on his estates, instead of hiring managers and go-betweens so he could live a life of leisure. Seems he was equivalent of the Top Class but in his day. Anyone remember his name? I want to say Giacopo..but I don't know.
I also read this book years ago and was struck by some of the author’s concepts like the « top out of sight class » which I still refer to today. Wonderful video. Thank you.
Class has nothing to do with wealth, either new or old. In fact, for a truly classy person, things like wealth, clothing and other possessions don't even register on their consciousness. It's more to do with a well-rounded education, solid core values, simplicity and directness of expression and when communicating with others, personal integrity and above all kindness to all, friends and strangers alike. Style is primarily an external display which may or may not correspond to someone's true class, and so can be a misleading indicator. Just my two cents worth, others I'm sure will have equally strongly held opinions.
Actually this video is great for those who are embarking on their sartorial journey. Helps people to understand, the things they should consider before picking their style. The joy is truly in the codes.
Good evening Sonya and Hugo, it’s always a true pleasure of mine to receive a notification that there is a new video to watch, always fantastic content and always full of fascinating information and knowledge, thank you so much your friend and kind regards Ryan.
A great point regarding discretion would be related to how it is more important that the person is noticed first and not the clothes. The clothes are meant to channel the attention to the person and they should be a material extension of the personality and not the material extension of the material. It's a great way to know whether we're doing it right with our clothes. Are people noticing us first or the clothes first? The clothes should quietly sit in the background, sending off subconscious signals of refinement and taste. It is the smile, speech and mannerism that makes the ultimate difference. The clothes and the material style should only discreetely narrate the story and adventures experienced by the person. An example would be the Boutonniere mentioned by Mrs. Jacomet here. I firmly believe that any form of effort is always rewarded in one manner or the other. So that's why putting efforts into one's appearance in a humble, discreet, yet truthful manner is what I believe, sets some apart from the rest. A.A
Most of the modern rules of social etiquette and discretion of the social elites and the Nobility, in Europe and America, comes from Florence, during the height of the Italian Renaissance. There are actual Tomes written about the subject, such as eating from your own plate and sitting on chairs and not stools which was a sign of a lower class station. Just some food🍲 for thought💡. I enjoyed the vid. My compliments to you and your husband. I enjoy watching your vids. Thanks for sharing.
I hope I can explain this good. When it comes to wearing suits, nice shoes, and watches, my dad would tell me how to wear these things correctly but not in a direct verbal manner. He would give me these strange discreet indicators and would expect me to figure it out myself. Sometimes it would take me like 5 years to figure out what his secret codes meant and I never realized at first that they were actually secret codes in the first place.
This topic is so misunderstood by the majority of people. For example, most people think elegance is a solid gold watch, that looks expensive. Instead of making people feel at ease in your presence.
VERY interesting my dear Sonya, its always a joy to see your videos))))) as i enjoy your knowledge, voice with body language, and the touch of elegance with your scarfs ))), stay save, love to you and Hugo from Cairo.
As someone who is in the UHNW bracket I value freedom more than anything else. Freedom to say and do whatever you want is the true luxury. Period. You can be a president of a country but if you're tied to rules and having to say the right things all the time and not the truth then you're not living a luxurious life. The true wealthy and I mean the top 100 in the country are very unassuming.
Good evening sir, and thank you for sharing your thoughts. We agree with you about the fact that freedom is the true luxury in life (together with time). As for the "rules" I believe Sonya was speaking about what we can call "rules of civility". It means, putting others at ease in your company and not looking down on anyone no matter their social class. Warm regards, Hugo
I'm struggling with the upper and top class distinction, as it seems to me there is an other distinction that is easier to make i.e the one between new wealth, which is predominantly heard, and matured (or old) wealth, which is felt. It needs to be stressed that wealth does not equal riches. That distinction seems to tie in better with the arguments Sonya made just before mentioning the book about how to behave and the need to hone style. New wealth is just the means without the style: only loud at best and downright obnoxious at worst.
Wealth does not equal riches---I suppose money cannot buy things like knowing how to behave, and knowing where the line that separates elegance from vulgarity exists. Yes you're right, Top Class is the equivalent of old wealth in this literary reference. Thank you for clarifying/commenting. ~Sonya
How interesting, whilst discretion is everything, if you look at the sartorial tastes of the male British Royals, they are often seen sporting lapel badges & boutonnieres & pocket squares (often altogether). Prince Charles in particular, so I was a little surprised to hear that they shun accessories but the Sonya's observations seem pretty spot-on.
@@Kodansha_k No I did not. I commented on the video with Greg with encouraging words. Here I am expressing my hope to see more videos with that knowledgable, young gentleman. Sorry for any (if any) confusion. Cheers.
We go with us wherever we go...best bring the best form of us with us and focus on our outlook. Not just in the "material" (suits, shoes, accessories) but grace, compassion, kindness and a smile.
As the population of the world explodes, it seems these lessons and knowledge are slowly being diluted from our now, less polite societies. I do hope your 93,000 odd subscribers take these observations and so subtlely spread the word. Well done.
In a recent instagram post, Alexander Kraft wrote and I paraphrase "A well thought out outfit has the power to elevate someone's mood and make them feel in complete harmony with their surroundings (dressing seasonally, I think he means) and well as one's self. I can attest to the spirit of Mr. Kraft's observation as I feel transformed when I put together a great outfit that not only effects my nervous system in a positive way, but everyone's else's with whom I come in contact.
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When I think of elegance and grace, I think of my Great Uncle. He carried himself with such dignity. He was courteous and kind.
Always wore a suit to church, and a hat when he was out on the street, which he removed immediately upon entering a building.
He was a man of humble means, but his presence was unmistakable. He was well respected in his community, because he was unmistakably a man of character. His wardrobe was small, but what he had was well maintained, of good quality and fit perfectly.
Always appropriately dressed for every occasion, understated elegance.
Class has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with character, manner and wisdom.
There are rich people with little class, and poor people with plenty of class.
Well said.
What a beautiful post, Dave! 😊🌹
thank you for sharing your story
A first-class opinion, good sir. First-class.
Verry thue sir. I could have shared a simulator story you are right.
Well stated. As a freshman in college, I asked my father to send me his old, well worn rain coat when he finally purchased a new one. A dorm-mate of mine was with me when I opened it and remarked, "Nice, a Burberry trench with a zip in liner. You'er ready for anything." I told him it was my dad's hand-me-down, and he said , "Even better." We were fast friends.
Such a great story and I can't think of anyone who would not be pleased with the experience you describe. Cheers! ~Sonya
Yea, the older "Raglan" sleeve ones just look a lot better, as well.
I have so enjoyed this and many of your other ytube videos. I was taught the top class way of looking at life but never had a name for it. I was always a little different than my friend now I know why. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
My aunt use to work for a super rich family. They gave her several bespoke suits to give me. I had had them tailored and wear them in my rotation. These suits led me down the Sartorial rabbit hole. I have commissioned some of my own suits. How you show up makes a big difference. Thank for these videos.
Hugo and I laughed when you mentioned going down the Sartorial rabbit hole. This behavior of passing on bespoke suits to others is just incredible. Thank you for writing your story here. ~Sonya
Do you mind me asking what super rich means in this context? I quite like setting financial goals for myself and the ability to commission multiple bespoke suits is one of them.
merci ! thankyou ! Sonya,,when i ,lived in an ashram in India , there was a sign above the shoes racks ,, (no shoes inside of temples or any indoor buildings) "LEAVE YOUR EGO WITH YOUR SHOES" a feeling of modest equality was part of becoming a stronger less clunky human. Having met several top class wonderful people , they seem to glow with "less is more" discreet , gentle, ease its a significant pleasure to be around such people , makes the world more beautiful .
Beautifully said....I met a top class person..he was a gentleman...a supporter of many good causes...for example at the high school where I work as a teacher this person paid for a special project that the school needed...his name was never announced...a very discreet person...please continue to let us hear your wonderful words..be safe..stay safe...be blessed
This just got deep and philosophical.
You speak of the modest rich being genuine in character.
I've met a few but more experience with the opposite I have:
An admittedly penniless snake bragging about their designer items, bragging about their hair and makeup and clothes acting like an entitled princess when in fact they are the poorest 1 in the room.
These are the stories I appreciate knowing. I can visualize the scenario of "the top class gone bad". I'm glad you took the time to write, thanks! ~Sonya
A friend of mine who flew for various saudi royal families told me exactly the same . The "less important "families would wear all the labels and flashy things on display etc , whereas the "highest up" would dress so casual you would never think they were extremely wealthy or important.
I was a private banker many years ago and my clients came from new money (upper class) and old money (top class) and your description of their respective style is pretty spot on. I remember the first time I met an elderly client (old money) for lunch...he bicycled from his West Village condo to Gotham Bar and Grill dressed in ratty clothing. There was nothing in his appearance that would've indicated that he was a member of the 'ultra high net worth' clique. However, that wasn't true for British old money...they flew in from UK and the gents and ladies always dressed impeccably, but it wasn't affectation it was their day to day style.
Someone once told me that wealth was the power of selection as opposed to display, accumulation or austentation. The idea stuck.
Now I have something to ponder for a few days, thanks ! ~Sonya
Discretion, good manners, a slightly self-deprecating sense of humour and an understated but pleasing personal style all help to build self-confidence and put others at their ease. Thank you for making this video.
Sonya & Hugo are awesome. They are focusing on clothes & fashion to make society a little bit better. We need more people like them. I love the way they talk, what they talk about and their attitude to life. Thank you to both of them.
When hearing what you said, I'm reminded of the classic idea of the gentleman in a Jane Austen novel. I'm also reminded of several things that have nothing to do with money. In the US, we tend to associate class with economic statue, and I think that's most unfortunate. I think true class and elegance rise above money. I like to think that elegance is a kind of maturity that expresses who our best self is. That should vary from individual to individual. I can so relate to your Timex story. I always fly with a cheap but functional Timex precisely because it can light up to show me what time it is when i sleep. In so doing, I wouldn't have to turn the light on to disturb any of my neighbors in the same cabin. I personally think that we can all be classy, rich, poor or middle class.
I could not have summarized your point any better in regard to how elegance relates to maturity, and how money, to some degree, is not always relevant. Thanks for your comment, ~Sonya
I completely agree. Of course financial means allow access to education (please don t confuse this with higher level instruction), books, travel, experiences. But only class makes the intangible valuable in my opinion: the company, the harmony and completeness of the moment, sensibility.
Now more than ever there is no excuse to try and better yourself.
I ve been following the channel for a while now and really enjoy the content.
Take care, Dieter.
Not really,if you're living hand to mouth, style and class is pretty much the last thing on your mind
@@jeremyemilio9378 true words
Of all of the videos I've watched on your channel, I enjoyed this one most. I would appreciate more similar content (elegance, manners/etiquette, behavior, etc.).
Hello ND, This means so much, thank you for taking the time to write! ~Sonya
Such a powerful discourse, being discrete brings distinction to know and be known for that whereas elegance sets you apart from the crowd by giving one the freedom to be themselves and demonstrate that
Loved this topic! Very well said, Sonya. We couldn’t agree more. Keep up the great work.
Woah its Trenton & Heath!!!
She nails it every single time. Hope you all of you guys safe
My mother grew up in an old money family based between New Jersey and Maryland, though she did not carry that wealth on herself. When I was growing up she spoke often about the differences between old money people and those of new money, whom she said were called "codfish." Where this relates to your video is that she mentioned some of her more admired aunts who behaved precisely as you describe. Their cars were nondescript, their clothes were excellent quality, but subdued on appearance, they treated everyone with equal courtesy and consideration, and they never presented or displayed their wealth. Of course I have no money to speak of, and without a high perch I couldn't look down on many if I wanted to; but I do reflect on the lessons that my mother passed to me from her, as you say, discreet, family.
As sales assistant I confirm what she said, I worked for British ladies wear, old money always buy quality well made and tailored cloth,,, new money would skip our shop to designer more exciting bright stuff,,, manners also we're different.
Thank you for your speech, it was very interesting. It reminded me of what a professe of mine once said: Ethics show we respect ourselves, and manners show we respect others.
It is the unfortunate greenery of new money that we have such misconceptions about the rich. The poor are to be uplifted and the rich are never to be envied.
Old money, aristocrats who gained their riches through meaningful acts, virtue and chivalry wanted not for it.
Ofcourse one can find examples of greed in any strata of society or stage of life.
But people who surrounded noble circles drawing their traditions from ancient nobles like King Arthur, were men of virtue. The women in their company were supposed to be some of the best of women.
It is confidence and respect with good manners and good company of people we should all seek.
Great vid Sonya! Thank you Sartorial Talks!
Absolutely brilliant!!! All of the money and pedigree in the world can’t buy “true” class and elegance! I adore and appreciate you and Hugo so very much! Thank you!!!!
It seems as if she is talking about the difference between old money and new money.
I was once a member of the Kansas City Club the oldest Gentlemans Club in Missouri. This was before women were allowed.
I solved a problem for the Club and I got in on an Mgrs. invitation. The difference between old and new money is very striking and on two completely different social levels.
Old money would drive something like a 4 yr old Buick, usually something big and dark. The new money had the latest model Cadillac. I learned that quality is much preferred over quantity.
Most of my clothing is bespoke, some of it I have had for years. My watches tend tobe 50s tank watches. I still wear a fedora. Straw for summer, fur felt for winter.
Old money tends to be very reserved and anonymous. The lessons I learned there, by being quiet and listening (Being on an mgr invitation, I knew my place) on style, etiquette, and the mannerisms were worth as much as my education. The contacts are still friends nearly 60 years later. I learned how the world actually worked watching the very wealthy interact.
It's a shame more people cannot have that experience.
Hey nice avatar. I love it! :)
Many thanks Sonya for touching upon this fondly appreciated and very important aspect of the sartorial talks. Rules, codes, traditions, philosophy and even ethics as well as the contrary of all these topics are of upmost importance to not only comprehending but also fully embrace the required sartorial behaviour. We need more of this type of content. Kudos.
In Milan we call it "understated." Yes, blending in the crowd according to the conformity of style as my observant eyes learned too after having lived in Milan, for decades. Every season, weather, venue, event, and even which day of the sunny days or rainy days are the combination of colours should be put together as an outfit. I talk about this but people don't understand.
ABSOLUTELY.
I have been to Italy twice, and, as I told my nephew, one right of passage is for him to go there and discover the essence of style.
How will I know, when I have found it, he asks.
Look for an elderly man, with a grey beard. You will know it when you see him!
“You don’t have to be a natural born beauty to have a sense of style.” Spoken by an attractive lady. No I’m not flirting, just speaking the truth. 😎 Hope that makes your day! 🙂
Well it didn't hurt my day, ha. Cheers, ~Sonya
Sonya, I was raised very much this way. It goes back to an old money perspective, often clothes have an emotional life of their own, by wearing a certain garment one is reliving the experience. There is a graciousness to this way too, conversations are not petty and one does not dwell on topics that would make others feel uncomfortable. For example, no conversations on one's wealth or lack there of, religion, and politics. Having a genuine concern for others and their well being is central.
I am so happy to be able to hear talks like this ! thank you Sonya- I look forward to more talks from you that dig deep into the roots of style among different class groups. I enjoy your sense of compassion
I always press the like button before I watch #SartorialTalk #🇬🇭
What a great topic to finally watch someone talk about, I really enjoy this channel and help me always educate myself in this topics!
"You don't have to be a natural born beauty to have style"
- Sonya, a stylish natural born beauty.
Talking of books, I would love to see you write a book, giving you own take on menswear! :-)
I feel like the time could be right, at last. Your confidence is (highly) appreciated. ~Sonya
I completely agree.
@@SARTORIALTALKS For perspective, among the possible sections or chapters for your book. I urge you to look at the success that Robert Greene's 48 laws book had. It seems like an associated topic to style and how to behave.
@@peaceonearth8693 Huge appreciation for the reference! ~Sonya
I couldn’t be able to take on a lot of my father’s clothing, because he was built a lot different than I am. However, there were a few things he had I do quite enjoy. Many of his ties looked terrific, even though he didn’t wear all of them. His collection of them surpassed over 100 easily. I was able to select a few that I like, and I still have. Another wasn’t clothing, but it’s fragrance. He was a big admirer of Aramis aftershave. He wore it every day before he went to work. Before his passing, he still had about 75% of it left. To keep it going, I decided to have that Aramis and wear it now and again. I’ll make sure to use it well, and in some way, carry his spirit.
Sonya, this was so informative and agreed. In my profession I've noticed this. There is a distinction between rich and wealthy; the "wealthy" would generally be considered "top class". Thank you for these videos, a wealth of information - pun intended. :)
Oh thank you once again Sonya, I just love learning new and old thoughts on being. Love and Light.✨✨✨
Welcome and glad you're here! ~S
Very interesting teachings! Thank you! You and Hugo are just simply beautiful people! Thank you for all that you do for us.
Hi and thank you for this positive response. Cheers! ~Sonya
I could quite easily listen to you and hugo talk all day
Love the information. Good things to know. Especially in my position as a Bartender, where the practice of discretion and observation is of utmost importance. Thank you, Sonya ! (-:
Thank you for this Sonya! Could I make a request of you and/or Hugo? Could you explain clothing care, particularly with dress shirts and suits (esp. if they are staying hung up while working at home)? I learned a disappointing lesson leaving my collar stays in my shirts when dropping them off at the dry cleaners. However, also reading advice to not use dry cleaners so often in general. I know shoe care pretty well and have the brushes, polishes, and renovators that I need which has exposed how little I know how to care for the rest of my wardrobe. For reference, I just graduated college and starting a job in a law firm (well at home for the time being). Always deeply appreciate your content; thank you!
I definetly find that class may be connected to class, but not everywhere in europe. Its more complicated and both british and italian has there "essentials" not connected to any class equals style discussion or old money vs new money. Keeping it low-key as a philosophy of not showing wealth is not always simply being humble it is even a strategy of "warfare", being visible when necessary, but invisible for any other and being able to rattle youre jeweleries when necessary can be stylish just as being able to use one sartorial suit or garment with different situations although being with less, but both the british "keep calm and carry on" and the italian "sprezzatura" are both emotional states and these are in my opinion detached from any class-perspective its like any personal trait far more personal than the context u were born into. Its how to find youre own inner estetics and expressing yourself.
Excellent topic and discussion! I think the main takeaway from the talk is that class transcends money. We should be kind and respectful to everyone regardless of their race, gender, "social status", job, etc.
Money doesn't make the person, their mannerism does. And I think style is a good way to tell others of what kind of person you are, though of course looks can always be deceiving. - Han
Thank you Sonya for such eloquent, cultural/behaviorial dissection on the well concealed top class. Please do more videos on this subject.
Jesus was top class
Sonja, it sounds like Zurich! Except for the young with supercars, the top is very discreet here. They are not flashy, but what they do have is of high quality. For example, they are less likely to have a gold Rolex with diamonds than a slim simple Patek Philippe, even though the Patek costs more. Also, spot on with toasting. If one doesn't look the other in the eye when toasting, it is basically being rude.
Sonya I know this is a men's/gentlemen's channel but please, please can you show us something about your wardrobe, your style etc.? I am a woman who is quite inspired by menswear and sartorial pieces and seeing you and your husband and friends talking about these things is amazing to me. It's so precious because channels like this are soo rare on YT. Thank you for all your work!
Apropos of nothing in particular, having been an article contributor to one of the best known James Bond lifestyle sites for ten years, I offer the following: Hugo would be an excellent Bond Villain, with his class, charisma and touch of mystery; Casino Royale would have been all the better had Monsieur Jacomet been cast in the role of Le Chiffre.
On another note, Madame Jacomet is the type of woman I am happy to say is a very rare jewel; had every man had such a wife, I would have starved to death as a Divorce Attorney for all the years I practiced that particular dark art.
Now, after offering the above amuse bouche, as an entreé the only other dish to serve, is a full plate of BRAVISSIMO! If your channel was an American shoe, it would have a width of Triple E.--Elegant, Exquisite, and Edifying with respect to the heights of men’s style.
Regarding the interests of the top-class in their surroundings: I believe it is not as a sign of disgust to the high-class/nouveaux-riches, but rather a sign of how well-educated they are. To seek knowledge/learnings from others is one of life's 101. Never be contemptuous onto others, you can always gain something from a conversation -with enough introspection and reflecting at hand. Everyone can teach you something. As the adage goes: "Sharing is caring". Share your knowledge and bliss.
kshiftkometh Patience is one of the hardest yet most useful qualities in life. It makes you humble and tolerant as well.
This is such a timeless presentation. 👍🏻
I wholeheartedly agree with what you've said Sonya. There are a lot of nouveau riche in my country, India, and it's easy to see the difference in their behaviour as against someone who has had money in the family for generations.
The content you present is going beyond style. It's evolving as an attitude.... a way of life.
I love this channel.
Thank you
Dear Shivang, Your reaction is what we hope for, whenever we produce. A big thank you for your message. ~Sonya
Sonya, did you do a talk about your own wardrobe? As a woman I'm super interested in what's in your closet. Thank you.
Hello and thank you for asking. As interest seems to be growing, I believe it is time to review my wardrobe. I received word today of a project with Edward Sexton, so maybe after this suit, the time should be right to move forward. Again, thanks! ~Sonya
@@SARTORIALTALKS I would love to hear about your wardrobe too! You have such a wonderful sense of timeless style..
I agree! I would love to hear about your wardrobe. I find it very intriguing that you have adapted or modified a lot of the classic menswear to fit a more feminine style. You are always stunning with your choices!
@@brycemandrake Sonya is eligant would be more appropriate I feel.
brycemandrake Indeed. A very poised and sexy woman.
Similar to your quote about “family,” a cab driver once told me “every _fortune_ has a story.” 😎 Cheers.
What a beautiful video, I’d say I you are top class...thank you for the content all done in elegance 🙏🏽👆🏽👌🏽
Fantastic content.
Similar to wearing a Nomos, Patek, or A. Lange & Sohn instead of a Rolex.
What an interesting post....thank you!
Your content is pure gold , I am not rich , but I have deep respect for people having old money.
The most importante its the color and the style with love in the suit,the shoes, the ties.I am very very passionate with love for the elegance and the stylishness😊
Great video. Good to have you guys back. Interesting topic and a perfect fit for the sartorial style. Goes hand in hand.
I really enjoyed this video Sonya! I would love to hear more stories from the book!
You always do such an amazing job!!
Good one, such an excellent talk. Style, design, the power of observation. All these factors can kick anyone's act upstairs. Thinking of people's paths about which I've read, they all have one thing in common: style. They were either born with it or learned by watching others. Very carefully. A Charvet cuff, a note writtten with a sterling silver Cross Townsend pen, a kind word. One does not learn these things in the classroom. The lessons are everywhere for the taking (as you just demonstrated). These philosophical themes are so terrific on your channel. Along with the clothing talks, of course. Wonderful!
I enjoyed your response and am inspired to push further on the topic of style and other musings, thanks to comments such as yours. Much appreciation ! ~Sonya
Found out about this video of your channel that I was already following , this is adsolutely recognizable, in my family although in this aerea in Belgium both wars took a lot of ‘effort’ (have no other word) in family’s wealth, as did the ‘Babyboom’ too. So in time no real wealth is left only a bit household and furniture. But I can say that indeed there are other things in life that count for me. As you say treating other peaple the right way and so on….your video does a good job already. I was immediatly thinking of my father that still says ‘ His father (1950’s) always said class has nothing to do with money ‘ . I am so lucky to have a restaurant and can recognize things you mention in some peaple too, I also use my values amongst peaple. That’s a good life, even with not that manny money because that becomes irrelevant at some point. ( and of course with age, I am 51 now) .
Cheers and enjoy what there is when you can.
Awesome video!
So lovely! Elegance and kindness are timeless!!!
Indeed and cheers to you ! ~Sonya
Thanks Sonya, for the nice video!
Agree with your observations Sonya. On top of that (pun intended) top class never speaks about money. And when it comes to shoes the top class excel with very high quality shoes (in case of men, simple cuts, leather soles, understated but many times very high end workmanship)... Thanks for your video, top video!
Nice point in regard to shoes, thank you. I'll take 'top video', aha. Cheers to you, ~Sonya
Well, it proves once again that an image is a tool. Those extremely rich are trying to fulfil the lack of being normal, not being perceived as just a concentration of money but as a personality. So, such an understated image is an extreme measure. It has nothing to do with elegance. Timex watch is neither an element of discerning taste nor is it a piece of elegance, it’s just a way to blend in.
Most certainly, we shouldn’t consider such an approach as something proper, elegant or discerning in any way. It’s just a tool for certain kind of people.
As someone who enjoys works of Fantasy and how it works believably, I have also noticed that one things writers often keep in mind is how power struggles often shape how people conduct themselves.
So for example, a royal who's family has been in power for generation, but could easily be deposed, makes a point to treat their subjects better than one who is not accustomed to the responsibility.
I have also read similar things within the works of Machiavelli. So it's very interesting to hear you comment on how people of old money and new money sort of mirrors this.
Your intj is showing. ;-)
This was refreshing. I learned A lot Ms Sonya.
A big thank you! ~Sonya
Hear, hear!
Thank you Sonya for such a beautiful program!
Thoroughly enjoyed your insight, I work within the luxury jewellery industry where our discretion is key not only for decorum but for security of these exquisite pieces we sell to our clients.
Man, this is a vivid video, and really goes with my understanding of style (the reasons why, etc.) . Great video front to back; I will watch it again.
I was reminded of some early Medici**, the one who made them big-time, something about how even after becoming rich he still wore his hunting jacket and cap every day and would personally ride out to check on his fields and personally speak to the workers on his estates, instead of hiring managers and go-betweens so he could live a life of leisure. Seems he was equivalent of the Top Class but in his day.
Anyone remember his name? I want to say Giacopo..but I don't know.
I also read this book years ago and was struck by some of the author’s concepts like the « top out of sight class » which I still refer to today. Wonderful video. Thank you.
Diamonds and Rubies and Emeralds!! This video is filled with Gems. Love this
Thank u so much... again
You are generous and too kind to me. Thank you so much, Sonya
Your take pretty much hits the mark Sonya, as always a great talk with substance, chapeau! 🎩
Thank you, John Flynn! ~Sonya
Thank You Sonya I Didn’t Know Some Of The Codes You Pointed Out 😀😊
Class has nothing to do with wealth, either new or old. In fact, for a truly classy person, things like wealth, clothing and other possessions don't even register on their consciousness. It's more to do with a well-rounded education, solid core values, simplicity and directness of expression and when communicating with others, personal integrity and above all kindness to all, friends and strangers alike. Style is primarily an external display which may or may not correspond to someone's true class, and so can be a misleading indicator. Just my two cents worth, others I'm sure will have equally strongly held opinions.
money do not make you. you make the money.. this thought run through my mind
How can you be stylishly discret in an envoirement that doesn't dress well?
Would love to hear more from sonya , I really like your fashion attire.
Actually this video is great for those who are embarking on their sartorial journey. Helps people to understand, the things they should consider before picking their style. The joy is truly in the codes.
Thank you for this interesting point if view. I would say, the joy is to understand the codes and being able to play with them. Best regards, Sonya
Good evening Sonya and Hugo, it’s always a true pleasure of mine to receive a notification that there is a new video to watch, always fantastic content and always full of fascinating information and knowledge, thank you so much your friend and kind regards Ryan.
Always a pleasure to hear from you Ryan. Thanks from the heart, ~Sonya
SARTORIAL TALKS the pleasure is mine.
thanks my Lady.... I needed to hear that
Fussell's book "Class" is awesome...a really funny read.
A great point regarding discretion would be related to how it is more important that the person is noticed first and not the clothes. The clothes are meant to channel the attention to the person and they should be a material extension of the personality and not the material extension of the material.
It's a great way to know whether we're doing it right with our clothes. Are people noticing us first or the clothes first?
The clothes should quietly sit in the background, sending off subconscious signals of refinement and taste. It is the smile, speech and mannerism that makes the ultimate difference. The clothes and the material style should only discreetely narrate the story and adventures experienced by the person. An example would be the Boutonniere mentioned by Mrs. Jacomet here.
I firmly believe that any form of effort is always rewarded in one manner or the other. So that's why putting efforts into one's appearance in a humble, discreet, yet truthful manner is what I believe, sets some apart from the rest.
A.A
@@tangodovecamelliasinensis.8235 Thank you, and nice to hear from you again, Ms. Ali....
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Most of the modern rules of social etiquette and discretion of the social elites and the Nobility, in Europe and America, comes from Florence, during the height of the Italian Renaissance. There are actual Tomes written about the subject, such as eating from your own plate and sitting on chairs and not stools which was a sign of a lower class station. Just some food🍲 for thought💡. I enjoyed the vid. My compliments to you and your husband. I enjoy watching your vids. Thanks for sharing.
I hope I can explain this good. When it comes to wearing suits, nice shoes, and watches, my dad would tell me how to wear these things correctly but not in a direct verbal manner. He would give me these strange discreet indicators and would expect me to figure it out myself. Sometimes it would take me like 5 years to figure out what his secret codes meant and I never realized at first that they were actually secret codes in the first place.
This topic is so misunderstood by the majority of people. For example, most people think elegance is a solid gold watch, that looks expensive. Instead of making people feel at ease in your presence.
VERY interesting my dear Sonya, its always a joy to see your videos))))) as i enjoy your knowledge, voice with body language, and the touch of elegance with your scarfs ))), stay save, love to you and Hugo from Cairo.
Hello again! You are a source of encouragement, whom I appreciate very much. I hope you stay well, Sonya
@@SARTORIALTALKS Your appreciation means a lot to me really dear Sonay, Thank you so much.
As someone who is in the UHNW bracket I value freedom more than anything else. Freedom to say and do whatever you want is the true luxury. Period. You can be a president of a country but if you're tied to rules and having to say the right things all the time and not the truth then you're not living a luxurious life. The true wealthy and I mean the top 100 in the country are very unassuming.
Good evening sir, and thank you for sharing your thoughts. We agree with you about the fact that freedom is the true luxury in life (together with time). As for the "rules" I believe Sonya was speaking about what we can call "rules of civility". It means, putting others at ease in your company and not looking down on anyone no matter their social class. Warm regards, Hugo
I'm struggling with the upper and top class distinction, as it seems to me there is an other distinction that is easier to make i.e the one between new wealth, which is predominantly heard, and matured (or old) wealth, which is felt. It needs to be stressed that wealth does not equal riches.
That distinction seems to tie in better with the arguments Sonya made just before mentioning the book about how to behave and the need to hone style. New wealth is just the means without the style: only loud at best and downright obnoxious at worst.
Wealth does not equal riches---I suppose money cannot buy things like knowing how to behave, and knowing where the line that separates elegance from vulgarity exists.
Yes you're right, Top Class is the equivalent of old wealth in this literary reference. Thank you for clarifying/commenting. ~Sonya
How interesting, whilst discretion is everything, if you look at the sartorial tastes of the male British Royals, they are often seen sporting lapel badges & boutonnieres & pocket squares (often altogether). Prince Charles in particular, so I was a little surprised to hear that they shun accessories but the Sonya's observations seem pretty spot-on.
Excellent observation Ali. However they are royalties (unlike all of us). So they have to wear some accessories for official reasons. Cheers, Hugo
I loved the video with Greg. He is very knowledgable about fragrances and a great presenter. He gets that from his parents, I guess :)
I think you may have commented on the wrong video.
Yes, we hope to see more from Greg! ~Sonya
@@Kodansha_k No I did not. I commented on the video with Greg with encouraging words. Here I am expressing my hope to see more videos with that knowledgable, young gentleman.
Sorry for any (if any) confusion.
Cheers.
We go with us wherever we go...best bring the best form of us with us and focus on our outlook. Not just in the "material" (suits, shoes, accessories) but grace, compassion, kindness and a smile.
Thank you Abdul and we would do well to remember these qualities of grace and compassion. Thanks for the reminder. ~Sonya
@@SARTORIALTALKS actually, YOU both reminded ME. so all thanks to your beautiful couple. Stay blessed. Aameen. Insha'Allah.
@@abdulahadshabbir2618 Haha bravo to us both then ! And greetings from Bourgogne!
@@SARTORIALTALKS bravo indeed. Stay blessed.
I love these philosophical videos.
We are very glad to have the feedback. Thank you, ~Sonya
Excellent thank you! Top class people never rush; no matter the situation. Talleyrand would actually slow down when running late.
I didn't know that, glad you shared it! ~Sonya
Well done! These observations are spot on.
Many thanks to you! ~Sonya
Beautifully done, as always dear! ❤️
Much appreciated & cheers! Sonya
Yes. It’s about character and aspiring to be the best person you can be.
Agreed! ~S
As the population of the world explodes, it seems these lessons and knowledge are slowly being diluted from our now, less polite societies. I do hope your 93,000 odd subscribers take these observations and so subtlely spread the word. Well done.
In a recent instagram post, Alexander Kraft wrote and I paraphrase "A well thought out outfit has the power to elevate someone's mood and make them feel in complete harmony with their surroundings (dressing seasonally, I think he means) and well as one's self. I can attest to the spirit of Mr. Kraft's observation as I feel transformed when I put together a great outfit that not only effects my nervous system in a positive way, but everyone's else's with whom I come in contact.
Simply lovely, thank you for paraphrasing here, and your words resonate (especially the part about the nervous system :). Take good care, ~Sonya
Love the string instruments motive, reminds me of a childhood game called Arcanum, love it!