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HW News - Noctua Responds, FTC Slaps Hardware Manfs, Another NVIDIA Anti-Trust Investigation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
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Hardware news for the past 2 weeks includes coverage of Noctua's updates to the NH-D15 G2 documentation following our review, the FTC slapping hardware companies for Magnuson-Moss warranty violations and other anti-consumer practices, an NVIDIA anti-trust investigation in France, and the Steam Deck showing up on Valve's controller usage count.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Recapping the Week
01:24 - GN Updates: Test Benches, Mega Charts
06:15 - FTC Puts ASRock, Gigabyte, Zotac on Notice
09:35 - Noctua Responds to NH-D15 G2 Review
13:31 - NVIDIA and Antitrust Charges in France
15:53 - Ryzen 9000X3D CPU Rumors
17:18 - Sony Ends Blu-Ray Production
18:30 - Controller Usage on Steam Triples & Deck
19:52 - New Internet Speed Record
20:52 - New Intel CPUs Vulnerable to Attack
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You can just unscrew the top piece of the Ilm, then put the Wassers under it and slightly screw it back in, and then unscrew the bottom piece.
And again: you put the backplate for the cooler upside down in the Review. There is one site that clearly says "this site MUST face the motherboard"
You look more like Jesus everyday.
Noc-Tua on that thang!
Hey, Steve! As a budget enthusiast, I'm asking you to reconsider phasing out the AM4 benchmarking.
Fact is, a gamer can pick up a second hand Zen 1 system for dirt cheap. Assuming the rest of the rig is solid and supported, in a couple of years they can do a major upgrade to an AM4 chip announced in 2024.
AM4 will be a viable upgrade path for lots of gamers for years to come, IMO.
Thanks, Steve! Rock on!
May the real Steve Shady please stand up
Cause it's so empty - without Steve!
THIS is Gold!
@@linos1085
Now this looks like a job for Steve
So everybody just follow Steve
Cause we need this Intel tested
Cause we gotta see if Zen will get bested
Two tower case grill go run the outside, run the outside, run the outside
that caught me off guard lol
slim Steve coming soon?
For ~$150 you'd think Noctua could include a few extra screws for user convenience
I'm might see them with rose colored glasses, but if you ask them, they'll probably send them.
@@zebobm They explicitly said that they would (10:45). If the screws don't fit, you must request it.
Surely it's cheaper to get longer screws as default rather than ship them when a user needs them?
@@ghjong001 Read that in the same cadence as the OJ trial statement with the gloves.
You would think humans would be smart enough to turn some screws
"So the FTC won't let me be
Or let me be me so let me see
They try to shut me down on Warranty.
But it feels so empty without me"
Every tech companies these days.
AMD came good for every user who experienced the dreaded X3D "explosion" on both the CPU and motherboard side, and then duked it out with the board partners behind closed doors. Let's see how Intel handles out of warranty 900k CPUs that dies....
@@andersjjensenand by board partners, ASUS. It was just ASUS.
@@robotsix6268 Nope. I saw an MSI board on Reddit with the same scorch mark and fried X3D chip. The fault was on AMD. It was an AGESA bug, and AMD handled it the way it should be handled when a bug causes hardware failure: Come good on anyone, regardless of warranty status.
I'm so happy that in Europe you don't deal with the manufacturer on warranty issues, but with the company you bought the product from*. Also warranty is only an extra service that companies can provide. As long as your own actions don't actively break the product they are responsible to repair, give a new product or give your money back for 2-5 years..even if warranty is void.
* With extended warranties, like when some PSUs had 10 year warranty, you might have to deal with the manufacturer if the product fails after being used for 5 years. In this kind of cases you have to care about the warranty rules set by the manufacturer.
Well.. THIS looks like a job for Steve, so everybody, let's follow Steve!
Watch the FTC "fine" these companies 0.02% of their net revenue again.
Steve said the fines were hefty for each and every instance of malfeasance.
@@christopherjames9843doesnt matter if its less than they gained from the crime lol
@@TH-camr69428 But if that language is included with each and every product they sell then they'd have to prove that the customer wasn't harmed. The only way I could think of that they could do that is contact each and every customer and find out if they didn't get warranty support because of that sticker. Long story short, fine should be $40k times the total number of products they've sold...
Not that I think the ineffective government will actually do that.
@@christopherjames9843he said up to $40k per occurance. Though it would never actually assign such a fine, now that corpos own them all.
The most important part is that these companies will stop doing it.
Yes it would be nice to also punish them so they start applying consumer protection laws sooner next time, but the main purpose of the law is to eliminate these "warranty void"-scams in the medium term. If it accomplishes that, then consumers will have won either way.
Ironically when Steve was talking about the high speed internet transmission, the video resolution dropped to 144p.
Thanks Steve
Back to you Steve
You posted the same comment twice.
Your welcome.
@@Rabbitlord108back to you steve!
No! Thanks MISTER Steve! C'mon show some respect!
>wake up
>start making morning hot chocolate
>hear that the green ghoul is suffering
>splendid
@@ahmedabdolghani8879 the green ghoul lmaooo
> grab a brush and put a little make up
People love to hate on NVIDIA but they have 88% market share, so some of you are either buying or still own their cards 😂
@@HenryThe12The hate is warranted in the fear of monopolization
@@HenryThe12please read what you just wrote and rethink again.
Whale gamers aside, if you buy Nvidia is because you MUST use Nvidia for whatever specific case you got.
I've personally been priced out of GPUs in general for years, some only stock Nvidias, and at work some managers, a few just doing their bad manager others out of legitimate informed concern why departments that need GPUs (art and engineering, the latter with Quadros) are using only Nvidia, and for those with informed concerns, we never have good news.
In our area if we can get Nvidias below 400% MSRP it is a steal.
Given what I currently pay for Internet, 400 terabits per second would only cost me about $10,000 per month.
@@lilblackduc7312so crazy that Hughes now actively screws over costumers with data limits for around the same
Cheap if your running a datacenter
And you'd probably reliably get about 1 terabit per second if you were lucky....
If Noctua knows that the screws are a bit on the short end, why not just send it out with the longer screws to begin with?
Probably not worth to repackage 100% of the coolers when only like 40% will have problems, cheaper for all
Shaving costs to please shareholders.
Right? This is very unlike noctua
A saving is a saving in the end.
A few years ago I asked about the copper mugs coming back. They finally came back after I stopped watching TH-cam. Now I come back to find that I completely missed them again. I swear, one day I will have those beautiful copper mugs. I have all the other cups, but I always miss out on these mugs and I'm slowly losing my mind over them.
Bro go outside for God's sake.
@@realWARPIG Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I guess we both need to get outside and stop commenting pointless stuff on TH-cam. I'll meet you there.
For what Noctua charges for this thing longer screws should be supplied, without customers having to go thru a CS call.
No way it saves money. The labor rate for CS and warehouse, plus packing, plus postage.
@@RipliWitaniyeah it was a mess up most likely. Newer production runs will have that fixed most likely
@@RipliWitani Were you born yesterday, homie? The statement was for customers that have already purchased a product/or end up purchasing a product of the old stock from a retailer. You really think they're not just gonna add the longer screws to the newer shipments? 🤣
Im terrified of buying a motherboard from any of these companies.
just to sum it up
dont go Asus (rog, tuf), because of warranty abuse and reliability issues
dong go Gigabyte (aorus), because of potential warranty abuses
dont go MSI, because of warranty uncareful publicity of private consumer personal informations
dont go Asrock, because of warranty potential issues, and lack of security support/update for some of their product lines
dont go Zotac, because of warranty potential issues AND uncareful publicity of private consumer personal informations
TDLR : dont go, because these are basically all of the consumer motherboard market manufacturers
@@s-x5373 So buy another Alienware because my 2018 Alienware that has been powered on for almost 6 1/2 years is still working. So I assume their motherboards are technically ok. Is that your advice ?
I’m being sarcastic, thx for the reply. I was afraid that was the case with all the MB companies having serious issues.
@@s-x5373 notice how the chinese companies aren't in talks? i guarantee they have just as many or more warranty issues. Interesting how it's basically Non-Chinese companies. To make it clear, I am saying it's economic warfare.
@@s-x5373 Asrock is the cheapest therefore the best brand.
@@s-x5373 imagine living in fear of "potential" warranty issues like just don't buy cheap quality motherboards
my Gigabyte X470 motherboard last me 6 years and the only reason it borked was because a fuse shorted from my own stupidity. I used my Gigabyte AM3+ motherboard from 2011 until I resoldered a new fuse on the X470.
I fear the rhyming may have overshadowed the line "like Houdini bitten by a radioactive spider"
Should it be Peter?
@@fajaradi1223 it's a reference to the recently released songs by Eminem, Houdini and Tobey.
@@fajaradi1223 r/Whoooosh!!!
🤣🤣🤣
We've known for years that those "void if removed" stickers were bogus and unenforceable.
But what can you do? You send the product in for RMA, they kick it back for that, you try to dispute it, they deny the RMA and you are stuck with a broken product.
Unless you're a future buyer trying to rma. Kingston, patriot will debt rma to foreign distribs just like that even when say a sticker peels off of the dram radiator (as they often do after a few years), scratches on pcb on the sides of dram modules (where they go in the mb, and since there's no traces there it can't possibly affect the product), superficial scratches on 2.5" SSD housing, etc.
This applies in the US but not every country. They do hold weight in some places.
@@SilverKnightPCs You file a complaint with the FTC and tell them that's what you're doing. More than likely they'll cave but if they don't, what's important is that people file complaints or nothing will ever change.
@@JJFX- already done that. 9 months later: nothing.
Intel: *We’ve investigated ourselves and found no issues*
How deep is uncle Sam's fingers In intel lol
@@easyhardenduro9847
We tried to kinda not really lulz*
6:22 How fitting to have an Eminem reference when his new album was released on Friday. Kudos to you, Steve.
Then he said Houdini right after, I hope that was intentional
@@WayStedYou Has to be, "bit by a radioactive spider" refers to Tobey
"Tobey Maguire got bit by a spider, me? Must've got bit by a goat (Yeah)"
Eminem is a gigantic dork though so who cares
@@user-ol9zd1zy4x _Steve_ cares, so that's at the very least one. I suspect there are more though.
@@Sun-ut9gr I guess I'll let the Justin Beiber fans alone then.
I work in warranty claims for another company and no, stickers don't matter, although some stickers still exist from the old days, those can just be ignored. You are free to disassemble, replace parts such as ssd's and ram, install a custom OS, as long as you do not physically damage the product, that's the only thing that voids your warranty and no, a small scratch on the outside of the case doesn't count... looking at you MSI!
I often use a controller on my gaming PC for console ports, as many times these games were designed to be played that way. Versatility of peripheral use is one of the best features of PC gaming.
Same. Mostly for game that doesn't require precision aiming like a FPS game but for game like Elden Ring is perfect to use a controller
@@floppydisk1137
What do you think about those fancy hall effects analogs? Have you tried them?
Everybody is hyping it up, and I'm kinda curious tho.
Still got 11ish year old ps3 controllers i use for yakuza, persona, final fantasy, some nfs games etc. Had to do that fix where you insert padding under the ribbon cable to fix ghost inputs though, but i am very glad theyve tolerated all the abuse over the years
@@floppydisk1137 The majority of FPS games these days will let you use a controller, some didn't use to let you use a controller for the PC version, even though there was a console version that did. Some have cross-platform, some where you can pick if you want to be paired with other keyboard+mouse players or controller players only, or both. Although that latter part is uncommon for now.
I've been using an Xbox controller ever since GTA 5 on the PC came out so it's been a long time by now. I play all games using a controller, even PvP games like the Division in the DZ or Destiny 2 where I am more than likely playing against K&M players most of the time and I do just fine putting up a good fight considering it can be slower to turn. Doesn't matter what the game is I'll never be using a K&M for gaming again as I prefer a controller and love my current Xbox Elite 2, I can either sit by the PC or sit way back and relax and still enjoy PC gaming from a distance if I want. Plus it's far more comfortable to play with.
For $150 they should include the screws by default.
Rest in peace Blu-ray. Hopefully this isn't the absolute end for physical media...
I'm really disliking this push.
It isn't. Look up Criterion Collection.
Pirate it onto an external drive. Bam. Physical media.
"You'll own nothing and like it."
I will condone piracy as long as companies have the right to take away your PURCHASED content. Go pirate.
I'm honestly surprised that Noctua didn't catch the problem with the screws, but I wasn't surprised that they immediately coughed it and offered a solution.
(I bought a second-hand D15 off eBay and contacted them to buy a second set of spring clips... they asked me for a picture of the cooler, and then just SENT them to me, free of charge.
_Incredible_ customer support.)
the eminem ref is crazy
Pure Gold. Clip Worthy
Steve droppin bars
was good bars heh. totally not ai
Rap Jesus?
While Linus is just droppin...
On the Steam controller usage: I've been gaming for 40 years. I don't consider myself casual by any stretch and I haven't owned a console since the Gamecube. But I still use controllers for games that are either built for them or where controller just makes more sense. I'm on my first playthrough of Dark Souls right now and am playing on controller because it just feels better than KBM. But for an FPS? I'd never even consider a controller even if it were a port of a console game. As long as the KBM implementation wasn't stupid, there's no question and controller isn't even an option. Just depends on the game itself and not whether it's a console port or not. I've played several console ports with KBM just because it felt better than a controller.
I just think modern games are getting better gamepad support than they've ever had, historically. That's just my opinion on it. Using controllers on a PC even 10 years ago was pretty janky. Very hit or miss and that's to say nothing of older PC gaming. PC gaming and controllers have had a contentious relationship, historically speaking. And since I'm not an elitist, I'm happy that that's changing. And not because I'd rather use a controller, but because more options is good. I'm a serious PC gamer, after all. More options is always better.
You're a casual don't kid yourself. There's nothing good about controllers getting pushed in PC gaming they are one of the reason why PC gaming is so dumbed down today. Devs nowadays develop their games to work with controllers first and after that's done port their piece of shit game to PC, and since controllers lack the complexity of movement and overall lack of buttons forces devs to make games not have any depth. It's a tragedy that casuals are fine with this BS....
@@DoomGuy148. I don't know how you did it, but I can smell your neckbeard through this comment.
@@DoomGuy148. I second the latter part.
Dude your Gandalf hairstyle is coming along good! Only a few years more and you can start wearing the hat. 😅
Steve definitely comes off as a wizard, and not the spell casting kind.
Big W for the removal of stickers!
Every GPU nowadays use shitty thermal pads and spread just to cut cost!
Intel: "This is Fine"
lol
Intel: "this is fine AND STOP PICKING ON US!!"
$150 Noctua cooler and they can't include proper length extra screws in the package for the washer setup.. wow..
still somehow better value than AIOs
@@klipk7296 there are coolers as good as noctua for way less money... keep throwing your money at greedy bastards...
@@Muspellheimrr never threw my money at them
@@klipk7296 good for you
@@klipk7296
Because that's rude and unnecessary. Especially when you can just transfer the money digitally. Assuming you have a bank account. Or any similar service.
The humour gets better with each episode! At this point we need the pixilated glasses meme at 8:11 and the "OOOOhHhhhhh" rapper guys meme at 6:30.
What an unfortunate typo
@@xYiazmatx Where!? Dyslexic by the way, in combination with English as a second language so not surprised. But where?
@@xYiazmatx Oh...I think I got it...I think.
@@kdee3492 It's fixed now 🙂
When i hear new speed record, i always remember when my grandfather told me how he read in 50s/60s that scientists first managed to transmit over a 10 m long fiber cable. Now there are ISPs which are providing 40Gb connections for residential customers…
Hey Steve, did you ever confront EK at Computex? I might have missed it. Looking forward for a follow-up! You guys do the investigative work no ones dares to. You inspire me. Thank you
No, they confronted asus.
yo seriously all these techtubers were like "yo EK don't go to computex fr" and NONE of them followed up with that
i'm willing to bet it wasn't interesting enough to make a video on so all these youtuber vultures flew away for the next drop of drama to oversensationalize
@@Robbie-mw5uu What did you expect them to do, show up at their booth and start knocking stuff over? EK didn't want to communicate, so they opted to not give them any coverage.
@@Robbie-mw5uu Yeah bro, GN, the people who make some of the driest tech content on TH-cam, thought their video confronting EK would be too boring so they scraped it in favor of memeing on ASUS some more. The most hilarious part is that the ASUS video is incredibly dry and boring filled with mostly listening to people try to corporate speak their way out of looking bad. It's only interesting when taken as a whole with the rest of the situation, but actually sitting through that video? Sleep inducing.🤣
I'm willing to bet the much more likely case is that EK's lawyers told them to, under no circumstances, talk to the media or any TH-camrs.
I think the consensus was to not give them attention. In all honesty that's what they're most afraid of.
GN confirmed Slim Shady fan. Respect
My Corsair CPU cooler fan has a "warranty void if removed" sticker wrapped on the literal cable wire. It does more to be a thing that could get stuck in a fan than prevent me from opening the wire...
I bought a noctua nhd 15g2 LBC for myself and i gotta say. My CPU hasnt gone above 65c even in 108degree weather. Not to mention how quiet it is. My only gripe is that the cooler is so big, ive been using my PC without the side panel. I dont think the performance is worth 150. But its sort of like an ease of mind tax. Also the cooler comes with a polymer solder guard so thats cool too!
Out of curiosity what cpu did you pair it with?
Love the mixed units. 'Merica.
@@owensparks5013 Best of both worlds. Most of us are comfortable with Metric or Imperial.
Sae and metric fasteners are different for a reason
My last build was all noctua, even the silicone mounts. My new build is all Artic and I saved about 40%
that 40% you saved will go into buying replacement parts while the Noctua would still be running in the next decade lol
First mistake was to replace Noctuas cooler. They are only expensive if you use their products like a throwaway one.
The Slim Shady line made my day
Me watching GN HW News, instantly Liking the video, then watching through the end to see if it will make me unlike it, never happened. Love the GN HW News videos...
Dang Steve, you're a ray of light in a dark world my friend. Love how you're our voice and do right by us!!!! Thank you so much
That Noctua $150 price is freaking ridicules ...I'll just stick to purchasing Thermalright Heatsink Coolers which are fantastic for the price.
After the US internet providers offered their best of 35Mb, they begged the government for funds to "upgrade" the infrastructure. Again. Which after receiving those funds it will not be used for upgrading anything and get "misplaced". Again.
I love supporting Noctua. They are WAY more expensive now, in Canada, but damn do they give a sh!t. It might just be that a lot of items have shipped, so adding them in right now might be impossible without a recall. So shipping a little packet of screws, if needed, makes a lot more sense. Glad they addressed it.
my Noctua DH-15 is the most quality, future-proof component in my system tbh
Seriously Noctua, buyer needs to contact you for proper screw AFTER they bought the 100$ cooler and wait a week or longer before they can mount thier heatsink properly?!
It's easier to put the blame on the consumer rather than take responsibility.
If the 9950X3D doesn't have v-cache on both ccds, I might skip this gen honestly
Tech Jeezus educates us with wisdom yet again. Thanks Steevus.
Please stop making great content, it almost always ends up being 2am here haha.
Good stuff GN.
I've been a Noctua user since they started, their support is simply the best.
I tough you are bot...
@@GameBacardi I mean Noctua is that good imo too. But still way overpriced. I'd rather get deepcool or id cooling now.
Which in the current context isn't saying much as their competitors offer pretty much similar support nowadays, at half, a third or even a quarter of the price.
They'd need to send me a LOT of free new socket support brackets to manage fill that empty void between 40-50$ and 150$.
@EbonKim with which other cooler makes have you been dealing a d what is the difference in their support?
with 150bucks they crossed a line... never again... greedy bastards
17:40 Well that's just lovely. Another backup disc supplier is history. The cost of doing regular backups is getting more and more expensive. _yay_ 🧡💛🧡
The horrible thing is his description of web browsing on a phone was often all to real. All the adds might be frustrating on a stationary, but they make some sites totally unusable on a phone. That's why I almost never browse the web on my phone.
Just install an ad blocker.
Firefox + ublock origin
Firefox + uBlock. Problem solved.
Maaaan, I bought a blu-ray burner just a few weeks ago!
And I was hoping that the 100GB discs might eventually get cheaper because they're somewhat expensive now, especially with the ~50% failure rate that I have. ☹️
They could potentially still as Sony's customers become customers with other companies. Though impossible to say. 50% failure rate, don't think i'll bother with them if they drop in price, that's insane.
@@eskimo4130 You probably didn't misunderstand it but for other people too: Failure during writing, not reading.
Those that I was able to write successfully verified fine. And obviously supposedly last until I'm dead. We'll see about that...
But yeah, I don't know whether I'll buy another 5-pack. Might just get another SSD instead, even though those allegedly aren't nearly as resilient.
@@notthere83 I'd use a HDD over SSD, but backed up twice, or RAID if you feel like it. Have a read up on bitrot, that will help you decide
The rhyming was fun. Please allow me to add another: The FTC's concern is something you'll learn, they are interested in money generation. So don't think for a moment, you'll get a financial bestowment. It's likely all US Treasury confiscation.
Spare me the US Treasury nonsense. Conspiracy theories don't deserve rhymes.
'“Some can impose civil penalties just through an administrative proceeding. Other agencies, like the Federal Trade Commission, [have] to go to court in order to impose a civil penalty,” explained David Vladeck, a professor at Georgetown University Law Center who served as the director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection from 2009 to 2012.
That means if the FTC wants to hit a company with a civil penalty, a judge has to determine what it should be, Vladeck added.
As for where that money goes: it depends, but generally it goes to the U.S. Treasury, Vladeck said.'
Props to Europe making companies take accountability and keeping them in check.
That 10% of revenue fine France is threatening Nvidia with is brutal! AND THAT IS GOOD.
Thin line between abuse of power and keeping in check. Some of the regulatory stuff is reasonable, but some is absurd, written by people not understating technology and seems more of a desperation because of inability to innovate that can actually hurt customers and gamers as much as these corporations. In the end government is another kind of corporation and EU already had a ton of corruption and abuse scandals with bribes etc. This may all look "fun" when it's a greedy corporation getting hit, but recently there was outrage also from GN when it was Steam, despite not knowing actual details (no sufficient transparency about the deals to make informed judgement, only tribalistic opinions on the internet) - funny how that works...
@@kazioo2 Government is NOT "another kind of corporation". Just because you have a rigid oversimple narrative that involves only corporations does not make everything a corporation. That's a bedtime story, not an description of reality.
Honestly, the biggest reason why I went with my 7800X3D in the first place was because it wasn’t power hungry yet still performed great. power efficiency and temperatures were a big deal to me, as I didn’t want to spend hundreds of dollars on a high end cooler to maintain high end gaming performance. 7800X3D achieved all that with record breaking out-of-the-box gaming benchmarks too. It was the perfect in-between for gamers and editors alike. I don’t want an X3D chip with a frickin TDP of 170W lmao
I have my 7800x3d set to 45w mode and it performance just a little less than auto. Big W
Steve should hit up Marshall asap and get that record deal.
white people humor is so cringe my god
5:37 *primal rage screams in the distance*
Wow I've been waiting for affordable Blu-Ray média and recorders for ages, guess that day won't arrive.
Looks like we have another thing in common, DVD old buddy. (We won't ever retire)
Aris of Hardware Busters found that the Noctua NH-D15 G2 was noisier than the G1 and seems to have a slight rattle when measured with the fans facing the mic. I was curious whether you can reproduce his results or otherwise have comments on them!
Ryzen 9000 coming out and I just bought a 7600X yesterday, amazing lol
don't worry, unless you want to play the latest games at max graphics that cpu will do fine for the following 5+ years
@@Suzumi-kun At lowest graphics the cpu gets used the most because of high framerates
Did the same. On purpose. Got mine for under 200€.
The 9600x will start at over 300€.
I doubt the IPC gains will be more than 50%, since the clock speeds apparently stay the same. So… not a bad deal.
@@buka9330 Yup, that CPU will cook your GPU if you play latest "indie" games @ uncapped framerate. :D
Well atleast you didn't spend more on a cpu. You could always sell your CPU when the 9800x3d comes out. That's what I plan on doing and why I bought a 7500f.
Bit misleading with the Sony Ends Blu-Ray Production, since it seems their only ending RECORDABLE Blu-Ray Production, normal Blu-Ray players* are still going to be produced.
*And Blu-Ray films/games/etc that aren't RECORDABLE.
That steve shady caught me off guard so much I have to pause a video to laugh XD
Do you guys use a 14900kf in the test bench even with all the stuff going on recently with Intel x900K's?
I wished ftc was concerned about me too :(
The FTC won't let you be, so just be more like ASUS technology.
@@epickh64
Cuz we need a little good warranty
I love that GN "News" actually start's with "GN News", and keeps us abreast (80085, lol) of what's going on with the world's most favorite AND important tech channel. Thanks, Team GN and Steve!
Noctua should totally just be including the longer screws out of the gate. I mean come on... But at least they're in touch with the issue and responding accordingly.
The NH-D15 G2 is the best aircooler on the market. But for $150 I can get a water-cooler (arctic liquid freezer 3) that will do better for the same price, with a six year warranty so...
But it's great for people that don't trust risking having water in their electronics, like me!
For $40 you can get any number of great air coolers from Thermalright
And then if you need new mounting hardware for a new socket, and for some reason Thermalright customer support won't send it, you can buy a new $40 cooler and still have $70 saved VS what you would have spent on an NH-D15 G2
I know Noctua needs to recoup all that R&D cost, but I dunno, at some point selling more coolers at a lower price will bring in more money than selling fewer coolers at a higher price.
@@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire If you want an air cooler instead of an AIO, there are also plenty of great and cheaper air coolers
The NH-D15 G2 simply makes no sense at $150.
If you can't fit a AIO in your case, then you need to consider the price of that on top.
I had to remove "stuff" to fit Liquid Freezer II 240mm into my old school case and the rad needs regular cleaning.
Air cooler is plug&play&forget and i will recommend that for novice users.
@@woldemunster9244 Air cooling all the way. AIO's will always be a gimmick.
Just now finding out about the cooler data on your site! Nice, dudes! Thanks!
Tragic to think we’re on the cusp of the end of film on physical media. Going backwards and home cinema buffs will lose access to so many films. :(
Steve isn’t just Tech Jesus but also a Rap God
less than a minute and the spam bots are here already :/
it started Jan 2024... they are usually only hours old... the Ai is getting them, as they are not smart enough to bypass the picture bans already set(they constantly use the same 3 or 4 pfp)
Oh.. and ThioJoe coded a botstopper.. like 15 months ago.. of course the offshore workers they hire dont know
Why even comment about them if you don't like them? Why care?
@@Kacper42PLbecause they're annoying? also helps the video, so eh might as well
What if the real spam bots were the friends we made along the way
20:49 I spilled my coffee, damn :D
I got my case badges in!
I forgot my case is aluminum lol
Good work lately and enjoying the constant enhancements to the test suites.
fridge magnets yaay
The FTC actually doing their job is one of the best reasons to never vote Republican
The FTC won’t let me be so let me be me and void your warranty 💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’m dying omg 😂😂😂
"Thanks Eminem"
We don't have Noctua coolers where I live. We have literally everything else, except them
That screw thing is called "timing" - I guess the lesson to always time your screws is a value-add that comes in-box with the cooler.
That could be considered a vital aspect. I remember timing your screws was always a consideration when dating in high school!!!
@6:25
I laughed, but maybe never do that again... 😂😂😂
We're gonna have a problem here
@@zivzulander watched it again... it's still funny 😂🤣
all of the Eminem references are well timed, hats off lol
sounds like; if the ftc is "concerned" what they actually mean, but can't legally say, is "the giant bull of the ftc is coming and youre about to get gored" because the 3 cases cited don't sound like dodgy workarounds of the ftc law but direct, explicit, contravention of the ftc law.
basically, they aren't saying "oh this thing fell off a truck" they are saying "this thing is stolen. we stole it and now we are selling it."
Noc Tua, spit on that thing you get me ?
I love you Pookie !
Please no
Can you guys review Ice giants thermosiphon when it comes out? they make some bold claims
A version 2? I thought it was 4 years old.
@@JosiahBradley I think they are calling it the titan its scheduled to release sometime this year for $350
6:26 gn just casually drop some 🔥🔥 and though we wouldn't notice
Noctua coolers, they last multiple socket generations because they offer brackets for future sockets when they come out. I've been using them for over a decade on 2 PCs. I don't think anyone else does this and makes them such incredible value for money over time. You really need to include that in your reviews.
oh lord the bots are here already. my condolences
hardware manfs… MANUFACTURERS okay it took a sec i was about to make a joke
What
@@holyjeweli thought manfs was a typo
@@Zapdos0145 oh lol, I didn’t even see the whole title - my bad :P
We all really need to take a moment to respect how big GN has gotten that companies like Noctua actually respond to them and take them seriously. I know its been said before.. but damn its still so impressive
I honestly believe you should keep the AM4 test bench. At least IMO, there are a fair amount of people who still are on AM4.
I mean, I agree but remember it's one more suite of benchmarks that his team have to di and they're already a super time-consuming thing. I say this as an AM4 person myself (B0 stepping 5800X toaster)
8:04 Steve got them west coast bars and bass
6:26 best part of this video :)
it sounds like what Noctua should do, just send them out with the larger screws. But Include a torque limited screw driver. You might think this is insanely expensive. But the machining and manufacturing industry use pre-set low cost torque limited drivers quite a bit. Most inserts for CNC's come with one included in the pack of inserts. Set the appropriate spec. So It seems like this could be something they leverage at a minimal cost. Considering they have included metal screwdriver's with some of their heatsinks in the past and it is really a premium heatsink. This shouldn't be outside of acceptable.
For the washer mod; just get longer screws. Do not risk it for $0.50 in screws.
Okay 1 last guess before you spoil the surprise: The 13900k and 14900k are having a problem due to their specific P-Core E-Core Architecture!
This wareanty stuff is interesting! I remember so many little stickers on all kinds of stuff (not just PC parts) that say "Warranty void if removed." I guess they are all invalid now due to that law.
It seems as though the "most recommended" use case for the NH-D15 G2 could be long-service life workstation PCs, ones that require high performance with limited noise emission.
Been running a Noctua NH15 on an overclocked i7-7700k since 2017, rock solid, never a single problem. Saw they dropped the G2 and didn't hesitate to upgrade my entire system and strap that bad boy down on top of a 14900k and just yolo my entire build. No regrets.
Oh man, the comment about having a die the size of the house had me rolling. It's really a shame how corporate greed is that we can definitely hit so much faster speeds, but they want to limit the hell out of us and make us pay so much money for internet. The isps in the United States are a complete joke
I pay $29.18 a month for 100mbit fiber.
A BigMac costs $4.67 for reference.
That the US government doesn't force telcos/ISPs to rent their networks to each other is why y'all are getting rectum reamed.
6:28 I was eating and damn near sprayed milk and cereal all over my monitor
Loving how Steve has been using rap references. The Snoop Dogg LBC & now slim shady 🔥 Steve’s a true man of culture 😂
you dont do that screws are made to hold a certain tension or weight now they no longer can sounds like a good way to void your warranty how hard is it really to drop 4 screws in a package
So you're predicting failures of these coolers?
6:21 I can't get over the Zotec Rap...🤣♥️👍