I think it makes the story more enjoyable. If you, a writer, have to create conflict with a toxic relationship to make your story interesting you might just not be that good of a writer...
I may sound disgusting... But naive girls and boys saying such scenes are "cute". They pray such things doesn't happen to them. Because when it's happening, there isn't any comedic sound effects playing in any background to "ease" the trauma.
I think this may sound weird but I'm so afraid of that happening to me that I try to romanticise it so I get over my fear. Like, I try to make it less scary in my head. It's disgusting and I hate it but I can't change to like it. I honestly don't know what's wrong with me.
@@A_swarm_of_bees_ Don't try to romanticise it no matter what. You may find someone with similar characteristics and you have convinced yourself that it is normal but actually it is harming your mental health. So try as much as possible to fight it. You can do it. I know you can
This reminds me of a time when a BL manga that I previously read was made into a live action movie. There was one sexual assault scene that was tolerable for the manga but once the scene came up in the live action I felt so uncomfortable that I couldn't finish it.
@@A_swarm_of_bees_ Although it's scary thinking about that type of situation happening to you, it's scary for a reason. It's like your flight or fight response to that situation, it's your mind telling you that something like that isn't right. I know you are trying to get over that fear but having some type of fear towards that situation is probably for the best, this allows your body and mind to be ready if anything like that sort of situation ever happens then your body knows what to do. Romanticizing that type of situation is probably not the best and it's not healthy, you shouldn't allow your mind to get accustomed to thinking that a scary situation like that is okay, instead, it could just lower your alertness if you ever face that type of situation.
when sexual assault is framed as 'gay panic' or funny it really makes me consider not want to watch bl as much that's why i really love TOSSARA, because of the consensual conversation before they had sex, making sure they were both okay with going on.
@@jaydenv8557 it's part of a three part series: En of Love, so there's TOSSARA, Love Mechanics, and This is Love Story (the last one is not out yet). Each have four episodes and four parts but the stories somehow correlate. I am yet to watch Love Mechanics but TOSSARA is really good even though its short :)
@@jaydenv8557 You can watch it off the Wasbi Sabi Official TH-cam channel or off of Line TV (I recommend Line TV cause the first episodes English captions are kinda wonky) you can find the links in these links: En of Love: mydramalist.com/discussions/en-of-love/47031-official-en-of-love-the-series-episode-links Love Mechanics: mydramalist.com/discussions/en-of-love-love-mechanics/47651-en-of-love-love-mechanics-line-tv-links
@@yoonieslilmeowmeow8547 saaaame.I dropped that show in the first episode ..I don't understand it either,That main character assaulted the other multiple times and it was just brushed off...seriously,what it up with these writers and fans who don't see a problem with that ????
@@blessing9326 i know what the character did was wrong BUT, what makes TharnType so good is that from that point throughout the whole show, we did really see how Tharn's character development evolve into something more lovable. srsly friend, I think you should give the show another shot. PS. Tharn did call himself out for doing those things to type (I forgot the episode. I think it's ep 4).
@@reysterlightwood4127 actually I read the tharn type translated novel and found the same scene in it many novelist have written such things In novel too
As a rape survivor I was firstly in shock when a friend had me watch The Effect with him & in his defense he didn't know about it until I was in tears & shacking from that scene. But I was very impressed with how they showed the very realistic aftermath of what happens to some people.
Hello, guys! Just a quick note, Thai fans have said that the scenes I mentioned are far more explicit than the translations I was able to find. With Mame currently translating the novel into English, a lot of the fan translated versions of the story have been taken down. My point still stands about framing a scene, but keep this information in mind! 😊
the thing that pisses me off is that when they add like happy or playful music after because for me it distracts me from the actions and then after, platforms such as tik tok expose me to the actions and make me think about them twice
I honestly think “the effect “ BL series did a good job of not romanticizing what happened to the character They make “the scene” almost feel like your watching a horror movie and that’s exactly how it feels I’ve been in similar situations and it’s extremely terrifying and in that series they captured the reality of it well Thx for bringing attention to this ❤️
So glad you mentioned how the framing and score can actually diminish sexual assault. It’s similar to people laughing it off. Great discussion. Thanks for the video.
YES! THIS! This phenomenon is very much present in the first two examples, both Techno and Type wake up the morning after, sexually assaulted and harassed respectively, and five seconds later comes this jolly-happy comedic music. What the fuck?
I've notice that the issue of how Asian cultures depict sexual assault and rape is deeply rooted in the notion of consent. Unlike western countries where all sexual act requires consent, Asian cultures however always look at the relationship between the people involved and many times I see people assume certain relationships equate consent. Just like the issue last year on one of the Korean talk show where people bring issues to ask for advice, a father clearly sexually abused his 5 years old son and the mother found it problematic so she brought the issue to the show but the hosts and celebrities make light of it and laugh at the issue causing a lot of outrage among international viewers. These Asian cultures need to open up to the idea of consent first before we can expect changes in films and novels.
I'm from Indonesia, bcs of the culture here the younger me, like the thai people in the video didn't know that rape is about lack of consent. I didn't know that rape could even happen between married couple, I grew up being told that one of the wife's duties is to serve their husband, I remember hearing adults talked about first night said "whether you want it or not you have to do it in the end", people says it's because of love so there's no way you'd hate it and I believed it just bcs the married status, I didn't know that consent existed. Reading fictions and social media helped me a lot to recognize the issue.
But we can use our media to change society. Just like @Raisha sad. Movies and Literature can help us to learn. So using those media to change or influence society in a good way is what they are supposed to do. Why do you think it is so important for the LGBT+ community to be represented in the TV? To be heard and made aware of. Their experiences are portrayed and it is shown how you (should) handle that problem. It is a foundation on which people can discuss.
I agree with most of what you said. However, whilst western laws and the more enlightened members of western society promote consent, the reality is often no different from what we see in Asian dramas.
Truly, as european viewier/reader/listener raised on mostly european and american pop culture I don't have too much praise for western popculture either, if we talk about depicting consent in relationships. It's better than it was 30, 20, 10 years ago, but still if we understand the consent so well, how the heck shit like "50 shades of gray" (stalker alert!) or "365 days" (which depicting literal kidnapping as a love story) are still getting so popular? We all have a long way to go.
thank you! i wasn’t able to finish tharntype because of the sexual assault at the beginning, and i’ve gotten into so many arguments with people because i claimed that the beginning of their relationship was toxic and rape. it’s relieving to see someone fully discuss this topic
With tharntype .. at the scene where tharn gave type the hickey was assault .. he might have not meant it in a sexual way but rather a prank but still ..even thou he didn’t know types background at the time...it’s the only reason why I continued watching because I realized that it wasn’t romanticed or seen as a sexual scene
@@shaveciacole4941 either way the way tharn treated type at the beginning made me feel incredibly gross and uncomfortable, and frankly made tharn seem like a predator. that’s why i only watch mewgulf moments as opposed to tharntype
@@shaveciacole4941 I'm in the midst of watching Tharntype and the only reason I'm still continuing is to see if there's a good development..... So far I've been yelling at my computer with each episode
Literally 90% of the manwha comics I watch... with girl love movies and comments there’s always consent, why can’t they keep the same energy for boy love movies, shows, and comics? Rape should never be normalized no matter what gender!
I agree, I personally watch/read a bl series called given, it’s an anime/manga and it very clearly showed that when Akihiko sexually assaulted Haruki, a lot of trust between them was lost because of that, and yes, they were both slightly drunk and Akihiko apologised as soon as he realised what he was doing but, I love how they didn’t romanticise it and they showed that it was wrong and terrifying for Haruki.
@@RedBanana_ I forgot about a series I heard about I think it's called killing stalking. Where it is a horror "bl" I guess where it's an abusive possessive relationship and it's not romanticized it's been put in the bad light and as a horrible thing but people keep making it out to be a romance when it's not. Literally the abuser broke his bfs knees with a bat...
@@Syphrilyn I’ve heard about Killing Stalking and it’s disturbing to think that anyone seriously ships them (and I know for a *fact* that people do) and while I haven’t read it (and definitely don’t plan on reading it or at least not any time soon) I have heard a lot about it and people don’t seem to realise that the ‘kindness’ that Sangwoo was showing to Yoonbum wasn’t kindness but manipulation, as you can’t manipulate someone without seeming at least somewhat nice to them.
As someone who was sexually assaulted as a child, It took me 20 years to get over my fears and control my panic attacks whenever a man was present in the room. So seeing this in BL always pisses me off and makes me so uncomfortable. I try hard to not let it ruin the entire series for me
Honestly my biggest fear for TharnType season 2 is that they're gonna try & force a Lhong redemption story especially when he faced no consequences to his actions & that they're gonna try to force us the audience to care about Techno & Kengkla in Love By Chance season 2, In all honesty Mame is such a problematic writer when it comes to this subject matter
This is so true! What she has written on her books cannot be undone, but to translate her stories into modern times should apply modern views on justice.
I keep saying she has some sort of sick pervy rape fantasies. And unfortunately we all have supported her pushing this narrative honestly I have no pakns to WATCH Tharntyoe season 2 the redemption arc for Llhong seriously bothered me I cried too much in the end. But LBC I really want to see a season 2 but I really dont wnat to support her and her twisted mind.
This was such a well thought-out video! I really appreciate knowing I'm not the only person who found Kengla and Techno's "relationship" icky and did not like the way LLong was handled in TharnType. I was ranting to my husband for days about both those situations (the poor man has never watched a bl in his life, but he'll listen to me rant, bless his heart lol) I can still watch and enjoy BLs that have these kinds of relationships (I have tons of issues with TharnType, but it's still one of my favorite BL series) but I would LOVE to see this trope handled with more care.
@@abutarique3150 I think they mean the special episode. Where they try to get you to sympathize with Lhong by showing you his tragic backstory and showing him sobbing in his sister’s arms and bla bla bla. They kind of seemed like they were giving him a (completely undeserved and unnecessary) redemption arc.
It can be classified as sexual assault BUT rape is about power not about sex... Often the rapist isnt even that into the sexual act but do it to impose power over the victim...
do you even hear yourself? rape IS about sex. that's like the whole point. "Rape is defined as sexual intercourse, or other forms of sexual penetration, committed by a perpetrator against a victim without their consent."
@@edenn1278 LOL No it almost always is NOT... You are looking at the action and ignoring the cause... There have been many different researchers looking into the causes... You are looking at the surface clinical meaning of rape as a word and not looking deeper Good read www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/health/men-rape-sexual-assault.html "As these once-unpopular, often narcissistic men become more successful, he suspects that 'getting back at these women, having power over them, seems to have become a source of arousal.' "
@@edenn1278 "or other forms of sexual penetration" You said it yourself. The fact is, many rapists who perform such acts do not ejaculate or even get aroused. Such attacks are therefore clearly about power and the hurt and humiliation of the victim, not about the perpetrator's sexual pleasure. By extension, just because rape often involves the perpetrator's arousal, does not mean it is done for sexual pleasure. It is a well documented fact that some people become aroused by power or another person's pain or humiliation. Rape is frequently a tool to such people rather than a source of sexual pleasure. For example Llong. He participated in the act of rape by arranging for it to happen. He never touched his victim and presumably gained no sexual pleasure from the act. It was not about sex, it was about destroying another person and gaining power over him. Just because the definition and laws have not caught up with reality, doesn't make it any less true.
This was really well done. I would recommend this video for teenagers who are watching BLs because it not only touches on sexual violence but Gay stereotypes of Gay men being predators while REAL LIFE statistics prove that most rapes are actually done by straight men . I think this video is a good educational tool
I think the use of rape as a plot device stems from a lack of imagination on the part of the writers in depicting what passion could look like. I don't know if screenwriting is a thing in Thailand, but the shows I have watched are written very poorly compared to stuff in the USA. Most of your examples came from the writer Mame, and she must have no clue what love and desire looks like in real life. I also think that some of the issue comes from the idea that men can't get raped. Ultimately, the problem lies with adoring fangirls who don't care what happens on the way, as long as their Ship ends up together. It's just another aspect of BL that I don't get.
Firstly, I absolutely love Tharntype, but it always disturbs me the fact that Llong didn't go to prison. In fact, the scene where Llong attacks Type , I thought they were going to call the police and report him for the plotting(? Of the rape of Tar. Honestly, I just can stand that a perpretator is out there free as if nothing happened. He committed a CRIME. I think their only thoughts to justify his acts were "Llong is a cute pipipopo hihi". And lastly, I absolutely couldn't belive Tharn's brother, Thorn, forgives Llong, what the hell. Mame I love your books and stories, but this is just messed up. Trying to justify here and there(for example, the feelings of Type towards liking sex with Tharn), is not enough.
They didn’t punished him bc they didn’t have any proves Against him.This happened a long time ago there was no medical report also tar wasn’t ready fir this.
@I'm Trying to figure out Not really, liking a series doesn't mean you are blind to their flaws but maybe you prefer to focus on the positive stuff than the negative.
I must admit I agree with your views on this. When I first saw TharnType , the initial bedroom scenes and the shower scene really bothered me. Similar to you, I started to love the series afterwards once, Tharn backed off and started courting Type the “proper” way...but the fact that nothing happened to Llong and Tar was so traumatized he left the country still upsets me. Thank you for making such a video, as BL fan, I am often conflicted as well with all these issues are portrayed. I feel that some are getting better, but maybe not fast enough considering how fast the industry is growing. I hope that they are listening, and they take into consideration a bit more when adapting novels and creating the shows....
I just stumbled upon this video and I must say it's really well done. I have been watching BLs specifically since 2022 and ever since this particular subject has stuck with me because of how many times I have seen it in BLs and how casually SA, and r*pe are handled by these dramas without an ounce of dignity. honestly, I am not as understanding as you are because I refuse to acknowledge it as an ignorance on the writers' part. I think when you are writing something that is going to be broadcast to such a huge audience, especially one that includes a lot of young people, you have the responsibility to learn yourself before you spread your ignorance. I also assume a lot of the times it has to do with the writers assuming that what they are doing with these scenes to create CPs or use it to create "hot" NC scenes (read: non-consensual sexual advances) are what sub-dom verse is about. so, it is their responsibility to clear it up by themselves and use constructive criticism to improve their work. another thing I would like to add is while TT or Love by Chance is talked about when it comes to this topic (although less LBC and more TT), a lot of people I have talked to refuse to acknowledge that LITA (love in the air) also falls into this category. like you said for TT that afterwards they had character development but it's okay if I still blame it and don't accept it because I am that person. being from India, where marrying a r*pe victim off to their r*pists used to and may still be an acceptable action, I refuse to accept that a loving relationship can be formed when you start it with SA or r*pe. even if someone like Sky-Pai relationship to death, I still hope people acknowledges the fact that it started with Pai coercing Sky and thus it constitutes as r*pe. and this caused his trauma to resurface and after that we all know the story. it's also concerning that dramas like city of stars is not well-liked by people because it's boring whereas this drama shows consent and a healthy relationship. makes me think people only want to see a CP and hype it when it involves some form of sexual assault or violence. anyway, thank you for this well-made video. ❤
I hate how many people love Tharntype, like they don't understand that at the beginning Tharn sexually assaulted Type so many times. Type had internalised homophobia from being assaulted in the past and Tharn still tries to get with him, like you wouldn't get with a homophobic person, why him? I get that Tharn helped him but when watching this series I only saw a r*per and his victim at the beginning as their relationship was developed by assault
I feel like these female writers don't get enough backlash for the harm they cause with all the misinformation and absurd content they put out. I personally decided to avoid anything Mame is involved in.
Didn’t Tharn experience sexual abuse or something by his older brother’s friend at a young age like middle school and my only problem with TharnType is Lhong didn’t get punish for the crime he did to Tar and another thing Tharn’s older brother is too forgiving like he forgive lhong and his best friend Edit: I love the video and The message behind it I think it’s getting better I remember seeing an interview with the cast and crew of TharnType they know what people are saying about consent and sexual abuse
yes he did have sexual intercourse with his senior/thorns friend P'San and its was sexual abuse because San did do something to convince Tharn to sleep with him also I'm also angry that Lhong didn't get punished
@@nibbajoon8684 No, San didn't abuse Tharn. Tharn was consent. But he was 14 y.o. That's why Thorn was angry. San was in love and wanted a loving relationship with Tharn, it was his first love. But Tharn did this out of curiosity and wondered about his sexuality.
@@allons-yalonzo3793 "There was consent, but he was 14 y.o" Yeah, idk about that. While I think that P'san's role in the plot, helping Type realize he needs to stop being selfish and think about Tharn's feelings, was generally quite alright, I don't think P'san gets a pass on his behavior. Even though he was only a couple years older than Tharn at that time, (I believe 16-17?) he still knew what he was doing by asking him to meet him in an empty room and egging him on like that, he was still trying to take advantage of a younger mind and body. Just because a much more naive and 14 y.o Tharn said a "yeah I guess?" out of curiosity, doesn't suddenly make what he did okay. I think the fact that the situation was so traumatizing to Tharn, that he literally doesn't ever want to partake in a sexual role related to what happened at that time, says quite enough about how he feels towards the experience as a whole.
It wasn’t even Tharns older brothers issue to even forgive 👏🏽 What is there for him to forgive? “I forgive you for taking advantage of my little brother” ??? Huh?? No it should have been Tharn deciding whether or not the friend should have been forgiven...i will never forgive the writers for that lmao and it’s crazy how that’s not the only issue in the series 🤦🏾♀️
I stopped the video to rant at least ten times. I love that people are talking about this issue and thank you so much for making this video. One thing that bothers me the most about the romanticization of rape and sexual assault is that the main audience of bl dramas are young girls so when they see scenes like those they're gonna think when their boyfriends goes too far its not rape its just love.
+ most comments on the video of lhong’s actor singing the tharntype ost are about how he’s ‘too cute to be a villain’ and that they ‘can’t hate him for what he did bc he’s cute’; which is just... scary to read
@@Anneceline123 I'm sure they're talking about Kaownah (tge actor),not literary Lhong. Because it's not Lhong who sang the ost. It's Kaownah, "he's too cute to be act as a villain"
They were talking about the actor. They don't want the actor to get hate for playing a horrible person so they're nice about the actor. I haven't seen anything nice about lhong.
Tbh it's really damn triggering. If you think he's cute, go watch another show where he plays a good character and stan THAT one. Not continue to admire an evil character who traumatised someone
Thanks for the points about the use of music and sound effects in scenes. I still have plans to watch The Effect but including it here really is such a stark contrast and was really needed for this subject. There should never be a point in time where we all stop evolving and it will always be sad to see people reject that fact.
Thank you Kayla for always using your platform to discuss topics that are very sensitive. You always push yourself not only to make fun and engaging content but some that are so insightful and starts a conversation within the community at hand. You’re amazing at what you do not only do I believe in you but everyone else. Thank you for always working so hard to give us the viewers your best. Sending you love as always. 😊❤️
This video is simply amazing. As a writer myself (Please, don't judge my writing through my English skills. It's not my native language), i feel really bothered and frustrated when i see those issues being treated with such carelessness. That's exactly why i like "The Effect" so much, even though it was difficult for me to watch it. It's basically the same thing about media related to psychological diseases: most of the time, they're simply trivialized and quickly solved. For real, your channel is one of my favorites, if not the favorite one, on TH-cam.
FINALLY somebody talked about TT! Everytime someone tackles this issue here on youtube they fear to say the true about Tharn harassing and abusing Type cause the show's crazy stans can't accept this.
Starting to realise that I've kinda become desensitised to this. I'm so used to ignoring it cause so many bls have problems with consent and physical violence.
I myself am a sexual assault survivor and that BL dramas and series don't look closely about sexual assault or rape , suicide,etc and I really hope that they understand more about these struggles that sadly happens in real life and I hope that future dramas and series donate or show a message about these struggles. And I just want to say I am a big fan of u😊😊 and you always show light on things u stand by.💕❤️
I know a lot of people have addressed some things that happen in TharnType but let’s not forget what happened between Tharn and Type, as someone who was assaulted and then proceeded to be pressured into a relationship with the person who assaulted me it makes me so incredibly uncomfortable to see people say “it’s bad at first but after a few episodes they’re really cute”. I went through something similar as portrayed and i have dealt with years of trauma because of it, to this day it’s hard to feel as if i have the right to consent in a relationship because of the manipulation i went through. Mew and Gulf’s chemistry is insane and they’re amazing actors but i wish people wouldn’t overlook or brush off what happened because of that. Looking past dubious consent or full out assault in a series between a couple because they have a cute relationship afterwards does nothing to help the issue or actual victims. My relationship wasn’t all assault, my abuser took care of me and did many things normal partners do, but all of that can be twisted when you’re in an abusive relationship. Most of my insecurities in relationships and such actually come from the fact that they were caring as well. Also the trope of being confused about your sexuality or feelings for a person (usually as a means to justify what happens) irks me so much as it’s an actual tactic abusers use to excuse their behavior and/or abuse their victims.
Ok so I’m the scene where tharn gave type the hickey was assault however it wasn’t meant to be romanticized it was protracted to be a prank for type not saying it is right just saying it was in no way sexual ... that’s basically the only thing I have seen them done wrong in their relationship at the starting .. a lot of person had a problem when type was having nightmares and tharn cane over to help him by hugging him and I Th ink kissing him on his forehead to calm him down which is really stupid and the scene was made so he could calm type down. Also I have seen them have problem with the shower scene .. like u don’t understand how
Seriously, thank you so much for mentioning the ominous TharnType scene from the first episode ❤️ Every time I talked about that with someone, they literally NEVER thought that was sexual harassment and that Type not consenting is a bad thing (some even laughed and thought "well, the douchebag deserved it" because of Type's homophobia), but as a recipient of such shit in a past relationship, that fucking hurt. It felt reassuring and kind of you to use that scene as an example ❤️ again, thank you for recognizing the weight of such actions and being an intelligent, sensible human ❤️❤️❤️ love your videos btw
I’m glad you’ve talked about this topic bc it irks me whenever some people try to justify why it’s ok to ship no offense to anyone techno/kengkla or they say it’s just fiction you’re overreacting bc it’s kinda a slap to the face bc I’ve experienced sexual assault before at my school once by a fellow student so I know how that is. Even if it’s fiction those scenes apply to real life situations and I hope they stop using that trope in bls or any show in general. The only time sexual assault should’ve been brought up is to spread the awareness of its negative affects not to romanticize it.
Tbh a lot of people overlook that rain (Lita) was r@ped by phayu ex: bathroom scene in 2nd or 3rd ep and 1st or 2nd ep at phayus house after his car broke down. People also overlook other characters like: Porsche (kp), Pete (kp), babe (pitbabe), Charlie (Heartstopper), yoon seoheon (jazz for two) and many more
As someone new to BL, I just finished TharnType The Series this past weekend. This video articulates everything that was going on in my mind from the series' 1st episode to its last. Thank you for creating this video.
Thank you for this video! It’s so disturbing to see ppl try and defend someone forcing themselves onto someone else. A common comment I see in defense of Tharn or even Kengkla is, “oh well in the novel type actually already likes tharn from the moment they met” or, “techno likes kengkla and is thinking about him the whole time.” Like no honey that’s not an excuse. Unless either one of them gave their full on verbal consent then it’s not ok. I know a lot of the times the novel differs from the show but a lot of ppl don’t read the novels so we have no idea what they’re internally thinking. All we see is them resisting or being uncomfortable. It’s their job to make to characters feeling and emotions translate from the novel to the show. Sometimes I feel like they want to have characters that are more tsundere and for some awful reason their best idea to get that character together with the other one is by force. Like can’t we see them just warm up to other naturally and you can still have these cute moments in between where the character is still shy or “hot and cold.” I still watch bl’s though because I feel like I’m starting to see progression in a lot these series. A lot things we have issues within the bl world seem to be disappearing and I hope that they always make progress in consent being shown in all series.
This is why I didn't finish tharntype because imagine if ur asleep and ur roommate opens ur shirt and starts kissing u like just because the music makes it seem romantic does not mean it is not sexual assault
Tharntype portrays so many issues in a comic way that it breaks my heart.. I get it.. the couple is cute and they are hot together.. But the series seems so toxic.. I really liked Mew and Gulf.. But I just won't be able to watch it again.. I hope people understand how much impact such shows have on young minds..😭😔 PS: I loved your video.. I literally got goosebumps towards the end.
Basically all the novels that I read which were chinese have sexual abuse, in Counterattack I couldn't even read until the end simply by the fact that the victim acts as if is something that he, as a man has to endure and follow his live. There's many examples of sexual abuse in chineses novels and they make me more horrified because of how is described. Sorry for my bad english, lots of love from Brazil❤️
Well in the novel Type basically sets up Fiat to be raped by Leo so its not like he isn't guilty of terrible actions too. Doesn't excuse Tharn, but Type's behavior isn't excusable either.
That is what we all have been saying about the first 2 to 3 episodes of tharntype the series. But just getting shunned by the shippers, who are asking us to not watch the series; as type is not sure about his feelings or something. It's not the problem of watching or not. By not watching, it doesn't make a problematic scene any less problematic. There are good thing about the series, but whenever I try and watch again, those episodes literally just trigger me. That is where uwma and why are u did a phenomenal job. NO means NO. There is no but and if.
I just HATE how little people talk about this. Yaoi, BL, yara yara, people are genuinely excusing horrible abuse for the sake of their own desires and entertainment
Very interesting video. I agree about literally everything. That's also the reason why I watched only 3 BL series and stopped now. I hate the violence and the abusive relationships that they love to show. Even in sane relationships like the one between Tutor and Fighter they had to ruin it with a violent scene at some point, it didn't even fit the character of Fighter. They want to please the Yaoi fetichists and that's why it's messy. It's honestly very bad and I don't know if people will still like it if the writers don't understand that it's awful and impossible to watch for sane people. It's so bad, they should stop. It's so clear they want to portray action and strong scenes with this but they choose the easiest way somehow : the way of violence and abuse. Very bad. I'm not sure if I will keep watching Thai BL series after that, for now I stopped at least, Tharntype was too much for me. Thank you for the video, it was very interesting and you always have good ideas and points.
I also agree with you. Tutor and fighter had such a healthy relationship until that scene although fighter stopped I was nit happy with that scene at all. In tharntype I couldn't handle the first season it was just too much although the second season was an improvement
Girl this video was amazing! You put all of my thoughts into words and explained everything in such a concise way. This was basically a video essay and I absolutely love it! All your videos are really inspiring to me and make me want to start making my own videos bc good lord there's too many things I want to discuss
This is so well thought out and expressed. I can't thank you enough about not only highlighting the romanticism of something quite terrifying but how framing a scene, music and cultural codes all play parts to downplay the seriousness of the topic.
As a gay man, looking for a good bara manga is always a challenge. You finally find one that has great art and then BAM! a sexual assault scene. Like could they not have consensual sex?? Not only is it a turn off, its concerning that its so prevalent in most of the medium.
The effect actually made me want to research about the consequences of r@pe and the side affects of it happening to you. It educated me a bit more about the subject. It made me realise that it is more that just scary but it’s actually probably very traumatising to be in the victims position. And the way they made it very clear that it was not a joke and how they made him feel nauseous when encountering him. It’s sad how people find r@pe attractive
Weather its bl or gl or straight or any type of relationship just ask a fu*king consent... It's not that hard to control yourself.... As an audience it's our responsibility too to criticise the scenes which are wrongly depicted...
You never disappoint with your videos. There a few horrible offenders of this trope 1. Tharntype- at least three of the characters had been raped/sexual assaulted and there was forgiveness of the one of the perpetrators I will never get over how Llhong was reedeemed 2. LBC- the rape of Techno came out of nowhere and the victim was blamed thereafter. 3. En of Love novel the first encounter Mark has with Vee is one of degradation and humiliation and truly I have no words for how awful their first time was. It is even compounded by the fact that Mark doesnt even see what Vee did as wrong makes.me question whether or not it eas intended to be seen as rape or just forceful sex 4. Dark Blue Kiss- Mork first time with Sun was so aggressive though I wouldn't consider it rap it was unnecessarily forceful. The other series such as Waterboy where Earth character tried to force himself on Newwwie's character there was a clear distinction that was wrong. It wasn't romanticized same with KornKnock in TWM. I think really there is a difference between forced sex in these series and aggressivness there is something lost in translation where they may say no but are actually meaning yes just there is a shame and stigma attached to homosexual relationships so that is a built in trope that the "uke" character is ashamed of what society thinks but he wants to be with his "seme". But in the end of these writers definitely have kinks, there some sort of excitement received my seeing these characters shamed degraded and humiliated in sexual situations. It is really disturbing when it's clear that's all they want to convey instead of having meaningful dialogue about issues that many in the lgbt community face. I applaud Directors that make better decisions when they adapt these stories like the director of DBK that showed Sun and Mork having a loving and happy first time with each other. But this is the most we can expect from bls some may be wise and deal with real issues but most are the fantasies of young girls and these narratives would never continue if they weren't actually popular. Just think of the immense popularity of Tharntype people are quietly enjoying these problematic storylines.
Tharntype was one of my first Bl's, and I was disgusted with everything. First: Thor simply thought that his best friend having sex with his younger, underage brother was a "breach of trust" and not a crime? And San remained in the family not only as a personal friend, but even having the power to convince Tharn's parents to let him attend the college he wanted. He was loved and respected within the family of the boy he abused. Tharn as you said in the first few episodes was abusive and predatory towards Type, and after they start getting together Type is shown to be toxic, possessive, jealous, abusive and violent. He attacks Tharn not only physically, but emotionally and mentally. And I'm from Brazil and Type is one of the favorite characters here, precisely because he's what we call "surtado" he's the type of person who when dating, anything can be a reason for a fight with physical aggression having "love" as a reason . The situation of Techno and Tap is horrible, and the casualty as "we have a problem but we can solve it" just blow my mind. Techno suffered a rape and besides Tar having suffered a violent rape that left him traumatized, the involvement with his brother is simply a big no! Type saw the video and still didn't think for a moment that it was a crime. In Season 2 we have Type drugging Fiat with the permission of Leo, the guy who "loved" Fiat, so that Type could teach him a lesson for causing a problem in his relationship with Tharn. And unfortunately it has even more problems but Tharntype It's still one of many people's favorite Bl.
I saw that byulsarang made a video abt consent. I'm very happy you made a video abt sexual assault as well. I feel like videos abt the topic is important so people can see how horrible this is normalized. I hate that r*pe is so common in bl series and most of the time the characters end up dating. (I'm happy the yyy series said something abt sexual assault especially bc the 3 characters in the scene are drunk)
Thank you!!! I’m so disappointed that more people haven’t about this because it’s so important, and it’s really annoying when shows just brush past sexual assaults or treat it as a joke. The abusive relationships and assault have literally made BL unwatchable to me. An example of a movie that doesn’t romanticize assault is Night Flight. It’s a pretty sad movie but I really recommend it because it truly shows how difficult it can be to be gay in a society that doesn’t accept it. The director has made several LGBT+ themed movies and he’s pretty good.
Thank you for this video. I have been a victim of it multiple times and to be honest, it was quite triggering. I had to pause multiple times before finishing the video. I have never watched BL but as I was searching videos on the romanticization of abuse in kdrama, I found this video. The way you talked about this topic is more than awesome, so much so that I clicked 'subscribe'!
I think it's important to read the novel about Techno and Kengkla because in the book it's pointed out that what Kengkla did is completely wrong and no one should do what he did. I think ending LBC with this scene was so wrong because people would think this behavior as completely fine.
The effect is the most honest portrayal of sexual abuse in a bl I've ever seen. The scene where when he sees his assaulted and he pukes it's just so terrifyingly honest.
The effect has to be my most favorite “bl” and i hope more bl’s create more just like it to raise awareness for male victims to sexual abuse/rape or manipulation...😫Asian countries need to be more aware of these things and i don’t like that non-consensual scenes are so common and normal🤦🏾♀️ I don’t like that these bl’s are basically romanticizing sexual assault and abusive relationships...
I feel like the difficulty also lies in the humanization of certain characters. There's a joke in learning Psychology where it is both a blessing and a curse. As much as we learn to understand others, we often excuse bad behavior because we can figure out or explain their context. I am absolutely disgusted by non-con plotlines and this video is really well-done.
Praise to you. You covered series or certain storyline’s that I was uncomfortable with. Tharn and type was a disturbing series - psychopathic jealousy that type and tharn had, the rape and assaults you covered and the whole nasty Lhong storyline. I was surprised that this series was well received.
What I like the most about THE EFFECT is how it was clearly described how Keng has his own mental problems, how he kept everything he feels from inside, how he misunderstood adoration and respect from Shin to love. How he developed his obsession towards him, leading him to go out of the line; It was by raping him and physically assaulting him. How the actions from Keng that he misunderstood, how he absorbed Shin's warm feeling that he thought that he likes him, and how he burst from the feelings he has been hiding. If any noticed it, him being the role model, being top, being the smart kid, the rich kid was a pressure to him because everyone including his parents was expecting many things from him. And when Shin entered his life, he thought that someone already understood him. That's the seed of his obsession with Shin. Keng was a bomb-ticking because anytime he can burst and hurt others. Just like how he did in many scenes in THE EFFECT What I like also is how Shin was clear from what he was only feeling for his senior. He respected him. He was pure to think that Keng also has normal problems that a students experience. He was clear from the beginning that he look up to him as only that. He was by his side as a supporter, as a friend, as someone who respects him, who understands him. He was only that. And Shin made that clear from the beginning. And what I love about THE EFFECT is they didn't sexualize and romanize the rape scene. On contrary, they made the raping scene have more feelings, how the deep feeling both characters wanted to say something but couldn't because both were on that theme. How just by feeling the scene can make you cry before even watching the whole thing. The whole story, the whole THE EFFECT was a society's problem that was the main point. Cyberbullying, rape, homophobic, fake friends, false rumor spreading, assault, anxieties, biased POVs, biased voices, etc. THE EFFECT was the most realistic example of victims of what the characters in the series portrayed.
When I saw the title I just knew Tharntype would be in it. I tried to watch the series but couldn't go past the third episode because of the repeted sexual assault and how it was portrayed. I think we should discuss theses topics more as a community because rape and sexual assault are often diminished when the victim is a man (and there's the whole hypersexualisation issue). What I liked about the shower scene is that it shows that physical strenght doesn't always matter in theses situations and people who could "defend" themselves can also be victims of assault
i’ve recently finished Tharntype and i genuinely liked the plot BUT i cant put this on the top of my BL list. Type is literally abusive and Tharn Sexually assaulted type more than once. I absolutely hated those parts. The show was so good and made me cry and smile so much but their relationship is so abusive. I get it makes the story “interesting” to fans but please god stop romanticizing it. As a SA victim it’s literally disgusting to romanticize this.
Thank you for another great video. This is such an important topic and I think what your your videos are doing a great job of raising awareness of how across cultures we do a poor job of discussing abuse and rape. Additionally, and I think as important, you are helping viewers become more critical and thoughtful consumers not only of BL but of media in general. Please keep doing these videos and I look forward to what you will do next!
Thank you so much for making content like this; for taking time to create healthy, objective, and necessary critique of content we all adore but that equally needs to be tempered in consumption. This is so important.
@@gmmtvactorsmybias.billkinp5963 I loved sotus too! Just one annoying thing is Arthit's lack of character development with regards to their relationship. Still I loved it nonetheless. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@ash4486 all time favorite 😭😭😭😭 IDK what's with UWMA! if given the chance I want to forget the series then rewatch it again like 10 times. I loved how the story unfolded. ❤️
2022 and we have to get back to this topic thanks to Ki**Pors*** fans dealing with this subject in a totally irresponsable and romanticized matter. Your video is a masterpiece by the way. ❤❤❤
Rape and abuse are not problems only to the bl series. Until 5 or 6 years ago, in 9 of 10 thai lacorns haved rape scene. Some of them even more then 1 scene. I didn't liked Long be not punished for his actions. The effect probably was the most realistic happening in this situation - pain, suicide, fear.
Such a great discussion on this topic. One of your prior videos mentioned Addicted and I watched it, then found out it was cancelled and I started reading the novel. While I like the story the depiction of rape and kidnapping is problematic and gratuitous. I also feel it’s lazy writing to use rape as a tool to add tension but then ignore the actual fall out and have these characters have loving relationships like the assault never happened. Thank you so much. And I agree we need to hold these authors accountable. Normalization of rape is unacceptable!
The problem is most of the BL authors have fetish these kind of plots/scenes. Some touch these subject lightly and others blatantly write pages and pages of these scenes The actual books are much worse than series. Its more worrisome that same young fans of series go read the full book. Some strongly defend it as romantic.
I have been through sexual asulte it is the most horrible thing. I maybe a girl but I know some of the pain. I am not afraid to open up about it ever. The thing that upsets me the most is hearing rape and abuse happen to others everyday.
i don't understand how is this get so normalize even romanticization about it especially in the au or fan fiction, it's not like putting something non consensual, abuse, or even rape as a "bad or dark side of the world" in a story but it truly being treat like something interesting, sexy, and hot. i have a big respect to a lot author out there cause they are so talented and generous as well to gave their stories for free, but it's truly made me sad why a lot of them still has that mindset like that thing was not a nightmare.
Thank you for bringing this to us. The world of BL is still young.. hopefully the BL scene will start to seriously consider this issue and redefine healthy relationships.
tbh I almost stopped watching TharnType because of the sexual assaults (I'm done with it). Like, couldn't they make some random dude try to rape type (to which he either manages to escape or Tharn helps him by fighting the rapist), then have Tharn help him recover from his trauma? It only takes a couple of scenes from the first two episodes to change that whole narrative and make it "healthier" without compromising their relationship. And don't get me started with the Lhong bullshit... Tharn was raped by his older brother's friend, they know how damaging it is, why forgive Lhong? (but again, they forgave the "friend", I don't remember his name). IDK those things kinda ruined the series for me.
Tharn was never raped by San. San proposed and Tharn accepted, out of curiosity and realized that he didn't like being a bottom. Thorn was angry with San because Tharn was only 14 years old. San was in love with Tharn but for Tharn it was just a sexual experience. Tharn does not forgive Lhong, but the best punishment for Lhong is that the object of his obsession no longer wants him. In the novel, Type uses Tharn to recover from his trauma, that's why he asked Tarn to sleep with him. He never told his friends, Techno or Kom, about his rape. Even if it appeared in the media.
@@allons-yalonzo3793 Tharn was 14 he could have never consented to having sex with that guy that in my country is called statutory rape. She made Tharn a victim without the character even knowing he was thats why this series is so sick to me it's like abuse is its main plot. When Type said to Tharn when recalling his trauma "you made me come right" and then goes to explain how he was abused it was so sickening it's like his rape was mirrored in Tharn's actions. Thats why he started getting nightmares. And it almost seemed as Tharn learned about grooming from his first bf, he slowly picked on Type until he started to feel he couldn't be without him, from kissing him, forcing the bj and then comforting him whe he had his nightmares he slowly made Type open to the idea of being with a man and to needing him in the process. I just know I truly know that there would be a young people who but into this type of romance and will end up getting hurt becaus of it.
THANK YOU thank you thank you for pointing out that drunk scene in Tharntype. I keep commenting on youtube videos of that scene saying how uncomfortable that scene was bc Type was passed out and was not able to consent to what Tharn was doing. I also found it creepy how Tharn would touch Type in his sleep as well. I love Mewgulf so much but the show has some issues I can’t just ignore
Also I didn’t like that in Tharntype, it felt like they just pushed the sexual assault victim’s story under the rug. Either way I kept trying to find TH-cam videos addressing the uncomfortable and not ok scenes of Tharntype and i’m glad I finally found this video. In the comments of that episode I was in shock bc I didn’t see anyone talking about how wrong those scenes were
I don't have anything to really add, and I'm sure you've heard enough from me about this specific topic both here and on twitter, so instead I just want to thank you for the video and how thoughtful and thorough you are, both in this in all of your other videos. I'm so glad the fandom(? community?) has your voice out here, being reasonable and empathetic. I really do appreciate your work.
Actually thank you so much for making this video. I understand that BL series have so much to portray beyond romance and cute stuff. And this video clearly explains everything. I really appreciate the way you conveyed the message calmly with analysis and references. Good Job
I just want to scream to the whole bl industry: WE STAN CONSENT AND HEALTHY SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS
Say it louder for the people in Thailand
Period!!
Philippines BL Series heard you! Lot of people with power over media we're doing protest by making BLs. Please do try Gameboys or Gaya sa Pelikula.
but then you all go and ship characters thart hate each other. Ok.
This is why het pairings are better, there is basically never something like that
I think it makes the story more enjoyable. If you, a writer, have to create conflict with a toxic relationship to make your story interesting you might just not be that good of a writer...
I may sound disgusting...
But naive girls and boys saying such scenes are "cute". They pray such things doesn't happen to them. Because when it's happening, there isn't any comedic sound effects playing in any background to "ease" the trauma.
I agree
I think this may sound weird but I'm so afraid of that happening to me that I try to romanticise it so I get over my fear. Like, I try to make it less scary in my head. It's disgusting and I hate it but I can't change to like it. I honestly don't know what's wrong with me.
@@A_swarm_of_bees_ Don't try to romanticise it no matter what. You may find someone with similar characteristics and you have convinced yourself that it is normal but actually it is harming your mental health. So try as much as possible to fight it. You can do it. I know you can
This reminds me of a time when a BL manga that I previously read was made into a live action movie. There was one sexual assault scene that was tolerable for the manga but once the scene came up in the live action I felt so uncomfortable that I couldn't finish it.
@@A_swarm_of_bees_ Although it's scary thinking about that type of situation happening to you, it's scary for a reason. It's like your flight or fight response to that situation, it's your mind telling you that something like that isn't right. I know you are trying to get over that fear but having some type of fear towards that situation is probably for the best, this allows your body and mind to be ready if anything like that sort of situation ever happens then your body knows what to do. Romanticizing that type of situation is probably not the best and it's not healthy, you shouldn't allow your mind to get accustomed to thinking that a scary situation like that is okay, instead, it could just lower your alertness if you ever face that type of situation.
when sexual assault is framed as 'gay panic' or funny it really makes me consider not want to watch bl as much
that's why i really love TOSSARA, because of the consensual conversation before they had sex, making sure they were both okay with going on.
May I ask what tossara is? Cause uh a show with actual conversations about consent? Sign me up
@@jaydenv8557 it's part of a three part series: En of Love, so there's TOSSARA, Love Mechanics, and This is Love Story (the last one is not out yet). Each have four episodes and four parts but the stories somehow correlate. I am yet to watch Love Mechanics but TOSSARA is really good even though its short :)
@@jaydenv8557 You can watch it off the Wasbi Sabi Official TH-cam channel or off of Line TV (I recommend Line TV cause the first episodes English captions are kinda wonky)
you can find the links in these links:
En of Love: mydramalist.com/discussions/en-of-love/47031-official-en-of-love-the-series-episode-links
Love Mechanics:
mydramalist.com/discussions/en-of-love-love-mechanics/47651-en-of-love-love-mechanics-line-tv-links
We Fugly ʕʘ‿ʘʔ a fellow step chicken 🐔 well hello there
@@trystinroberts368 why hello, mama chick would be proud :')
7:09 I hate how in “TharnType” Tharn inappropriately touches Type when he’s ASLEEP! Type is ASLEEP. Type can NOT consent because he’s ASLEEP!
I completely Agree.... I seriously don't understand why ppl like that drama. It was really triggering for me
@@yoonieslilmeowmeow8547 saaaame.I dropped that show in the first episode ..I don't understand it either,That main character assaulted the other multiple times and it was just brushed off...seriously,what it up with these writers and fans who don't see a problem with that ????
@@blessing9326 exactly!!!
@@blessing9326 i know what the character did was wrong BUT, what makes TharnType so good is that from that point throughout the whole show, we did really see how Tharn's character development evolve into something more lovable. srsly friend, I think you should give the show another shot.
PS. Tharn did call himself out for doing those things to type (I forgot the episode. I think it's ep 4).
@@reysterlightwood4127 actually I read the tharn type translated novel and found the same scene in it many novelist have written such things In novel too
BL watchers should know that fiction has power to change reality.
You are so right
Thanks ❤
As a rape survivor I was firstly in shock when a friend had me watch The Effect with him & in his defense he didn't know about it until I was in tears & shacking from that scene.
But I was very impressed with how they showed the very realistic aftermath of what happens to some people.
I'm so sorry you've been through that❤️ stay strong
We're sorry to heard about that, please be strong and Be safe from any kind of danger with your love ones 👍💞
Keep fighting ❤
Hello, guys! Just a quick note, Thai fans have said that the scenes I mentioned are far more explicit than the translations I was able to find. With Mame currently translating the novel into English, a lot of the fan translated versions of the story have been taken down. My point still stands about framing a scene, but keep this information in mind! 😊
the thing that pisses me off is that when they add like happy or playful music after because for me it distracts me from the actions and then after, platforms such as tik tok expose me to the actions and make me think about them twice
I honestly think “the effect “ BL series did a good job of not romanticizing what happened to the character
They make “the scene” almost feel like your watching a horror movie and that’s exactly how it feels I’ve been in similar situations and it’s extremely terrifying and in that series they captured the reality of it well
Thx for bringing attention to this ❤️
I'm agree
I agree those scenes are horrible to read you can feel the horror but at the end they still end together smh.
Fuck you Juju Romantica.
@@randyranda8881 No they didn’t
@@randyranda8881 no they didn’t
Praying for you 🙏
So glad you mentioned how the framing and score can actually diminish sexual assault. It’s similar to people laughing it off. Great discussion. Thanks for the video.
YES! THIS!
This phenomenon is very much present in the first two examples, both Techno and Type wake up the morning after, sexually assaulted and harassed respectively, and five seconds later comes this jolly-happy comedic music.
What the fuck?
I've notice that the issue of how Asian cultures depict sexual assault and rape is deeply rooted in the notion of consent. Unlike western countries where all sexual act requires consent, Asian cultures however always look at the relationship between the people involved and many times I see people assume certain relationships equate consent. Just like the issue last year on one of the Korean talk show where people bring issues to ask for advice, a father clearly sexually abused his 5 years old son and the mother found it problematic so she brought the issue to the show but the hosts and celebrities make light of it and laugh at the issue causing a lot of outrage among international viewers. These Asian cultures need to open up to the idea of consent first before we can expect changes in films and novels.
I'm from Indonesia, bcs of the culture here the younger me, like the thai people in the video didn't know that rape is about lack of consent. I didn't know that rape could even happen between married couple, I grew up being told that one of the wife's duties is to serve their husband, I remember hearing adults talked about first night said "whether you want it or not you have to do it in the end", people says it's because of love so there's no way you'd hate it and I believed it just bcs the married status, I didn't know that consent existed. Reading fictions and social media helped me a lot to recognize the issue.
But we can use our media to change society. Just like @Raisha sad. Movies and Literature can help us to learn. So using those media to change or influence society in a good way is what they are supposed to do. Why do you think it is so important for the LGBT+ community to be represented in the TV? To be heard and made aware of. Their experiences are portrayed and it is shown how you (should) handle that problem. It is a foundation on which people can discuss.
I agree with most of what you said. However, whilst western laws and the more enlightened members of western society promote consent, the reality is often no different from what we see in Asian dramas.
Fibi Enn I wouldn't generalise asian dramas I have seen quite a few Korean Dramas who handle such topics quite good, but I get what you mean.
Truly, as european viewier/reader/listener raised on mostly european and american pop culture I don't have too much praise for western popculture either, if we talk about depicting consent in relationships. It's better than it was 30, 20, 10 years ago, but still if we understand the consent so well, how the heck shit like "50 shades of gray" (stalker alert!) or "365 days" (which depicting literal kidnapping as a love story) are still getting so popular? We all have a long way to go.
thank you! i wasn’t able to finish tharntype because of the sexual assault at the beginning, and i’ve gotten into so many arguments with people because i claimed that the beginning of their relationship was toxic and rape. it’s relieving to see someone fully discuss this topic
With tharntype .. at the scene where tharn gave type the hickey was assault .. he might have not meant it in a sexual way but rather a prank but still ..even thou he didn’t know types background at the time...it’s the only reason why I continued watching because I realized that it wasn’t romanticed or seen as a sexual scene
@@shaveciacole4941 either way the way tharn treated type at the beginning made me feel incredibly gross and uncomfortable, and frankly made tharn seem like a predator. that’s why i only watch mewgulf moments as opposed to tharntype
@@aapplesauce yes I was grossed out too ..I still watch tharntype and liked the series bug a lot of flaws
@@shaveciacole4941 I'm in the midst of watching Tharntype and the only reason I'm still continuing is to see if there's a good development..... So far I've been yelling at my computer with each episode
2gether the series is still the best. No rape bull@#$&!!!
Literally 90% of the manwha comics I watch... with girl love movies and comments there’s always consent, why can’t they keep the same energy for boy love movies, shows, and comics? Rape should never be normalized no matter what gender!
I agree, I personally watch/read a bl series called given, it’s an anime/manga and it very clearly showed that when Akihiko sexually assaulted Haruki, a lot of trust between them was lost because of that, and yes, they were both slightly drunk and Akihiko apologised as soon as he realised what he was doing but, I love how they didn’t romanticise it and they showed that it was wrong and terrifying for Haruki.
@@RedBanana_ I forgot about a series I heard about I think it's called killing stalking. Where it is a horror "bl" I guess where it's an abusive possessive relationship and it's not romanticized it's been put in the bad light and as a horrible thing but people keep making it out to be a romance when it's not. Literally the abuser broke his bfs knees with a bat...
@@Syphrilyn I’ve heard about Killing Stalking and it’s disturbing to think that anyone seriously ships them (and I know for a *fact* that people do) and while I haven’t read it (and definitely don’t plan on reading it or at least not any time soon) I have heard a lot about it and people don’t seem to realise that the ‘kindness’ that Sangwoo was showing to Yoonbum wasn’t kindness but manipulation, as you can’t manipulate someone without seeming at least somewhat nice to them.
As someone who was sexually assaulted as a child, It took me 20 years to get over my fears and control my panic attacks whenever a man was present in the room. So seeing this in BL always pisses me off and makes me so uncomfortable. I try hard to not let it ruin the entire series for me
May God helps u😥😥😥.I will pray for u.
We will pray for you, and hope you're doing well
Im sorry
i’m so sorry you went through that thats disgusting you are so strong
Honestly my biggest fear for TharnType season 2 is that they're gonna try & force a Lhong redemption story especially when he faced no consequences to his actions & that they're gonna try to force us the audience to care about Techno & Kengkla in Love By Chance season 2, In all honesty Mame is such a problematic writer when it comes to this subject matter
She's insane LMAO
This is so true! What she has written on her books cannot be undone, but to translate her stories into modern times should apply modern views on justice.
@@Sarah-ml7sz She has to be at this point lol
@@kimmiefonze7700 I don't know what she was thinking by having not 1 but 2 books were sexual assault is the catalyst to starting a relationship
I keep saying she has some sort of sick pervy rape fantasies. And unfortunately we all have supported her pushing this narrative honestly I have no pakns to WATCH Tharntyoe season 2 the redemption arc for Llhong seriously bothered me I cried too much in the end. But LBC I really want to see a season 2 but I really dont wnat to support her and her twisted mind.
This was such a well thought-out video! I really appreciate knowing I'm not the only person who found Kengla and Techno's "relationship" icky and did not like the way LLong was handled in TharnType. I was ranting to my husband for days about both those situations (the poor man has never watched a bl in his life, but he'll listen to me rant, bless his heart lol) I can still watch and enjoy BLs that have these kinds of relationships (I have tons of issues with TharnType, but it's still one of my favorite BL series) but I would LOVE to see this trope handled with more care.
They didn’t have any prove Against Lhong it happened a long time ago also there was no medical report also tar wasn’t ready fir this.
@@abutarique3150 I think they mean the special episode. Where they try to get you to sympathize with Lhong by showing you his tragic backstory and showing him sobbing in his sister’s arms and bla bla bla. They kind of seemed like they were giving him a (completely undeserved and unnecessary) redemption arc.
Nice husband lol
I'm so excited to watch this video! People need to talk about this issue more
It can be classified as sexual assault BUT rape is about power not about sex... Often the rapist isnt even that into the sexual act but do it to impose power over the victim...
do you even hear yourself? rape IS about sex. that's like the whole point. "Rape is defined as sexual intercourse, or other forms of sexual penetration, committed by a perpetrator against a victim without their consent."
@@edenn1278 LOL No it almost always is NOT... You are looking at the action and ignoring the cause... There have been many different researchers looking into the causes... You are looking at the surface clinical meaning of rape as a word and not looking deeper
Good read
www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/health/men-rape-sexual-assault.html
"As these once-unpopular, often narcissistic men become more successful, he suspects that 'getting back at these women, having power over them, seems to have become a source of arousal.' "
@@edenn1278 "or other forms of sexual penetration" You said it yourself. The fact is, many rapists who perform such acts do not ejaculate or even get aroused. Such attacks are therefore clearly about power and the hurt and humiliation of the victim, not about the perpetrator's sexual pleasure. By extension, just because rape often involves the perpetrator's arousal, does not mean it is done for sexual pleasure. It is a well documented fact that some people become aroused by power or another person's pain or humiliation. Rape is frequently a tool to such people rather than a source of sexual pleasure. For example Llong. He participated in the act of rape by arranging for it to happen. He never touched his victim and presumably gained no sexual pleasure from the act. It was not about sex, it was about destroying another person and gaining power over him. Just because the definition and laws have not caught up with reality, doesn't make it any less true.
@@edenn1278 there is several reason to rape it can be power or sexual desire,depends on the situation
Don't generalize
This was really well done. I would recommend this video for teenagers who are watching BLs because it not only touches on sexual violence but Gay stereotypes of Gay men being predators while REAL LIFE statistics prove that most rapes are actually done by straight men . I think this video is a good educational tool
I think the use of rape as a plot device stems from a lack of imagination on the part of the writers in depicting what passion could look like. I don't know if screenwriting is a thing in Thailand, but the shows I have watched are written very poorly compared to stuff in the USA. Most of your examples came from the writer Mame, and she must have no clue what love and desire looks like in real life. I also think that some of the issue comes from the idea that men can't get raped. Ultimately, the problem lies with adoring fangirls who don't care what happens on the way, as long as their Ship ends up together. It's just another aspect of BL that I don't get.
Firstly, I absolutely love Tharntype, but it always disturbs me the fact that Llong didn't go to prison. In fact, the scene where Llong attacks Type , I thought they were going to call the police and report him for the plotting(? Of the rape of Tar. Honestly, I just can stand that a perpretator is out there free as if nothing happened. He committed a CRIME. I think their only thoughts to justify his acts were "Llong is a cute pipipopo hihi". And lastly, I absolutely couldn't belive Tharn's brother, Thorn, forgives Llong, what the hell. Mame I love your books and stories, but this is just messed up. Trying to justify here and there(for example, the feelings of Type towards liking sex with Tharn), is not enough.
Mm...Lhong sorry guys
Fr they just....forgot about Tar🥴 They used him to get information on Llong but what about him? That’s what bothered me...
They didn’t punished him bc they didn’t have any proves Against him.This happened a long time ago there was no medical report also tar wasn’t ready fir this.
@I'm Trying to figure out Not really, liking a series doesn't mean you are blind to their flaws but maybe you prefer to focus on the positive stuff than the negative.
This is a good topic that needs to be addressed. Well researched girl! Thanks for always giving us a good discussion. xoxo
I must admit I agree with your views on this. When I first saw TharnType , the initial bedroom scenes and the shower scene really bothered me. Similar to you, I started to love the series afterwards once, Tharn backed off and started courting Type the “proper” way...but the fact that nothing happened to Llong and Tar was so traumatized he left the country still upsets me. Thank you for making such a video, as BL fan, I am often conflicted as well with all these issues are portrayed. I feel that some are getting better, but maybe not fast enough considering how fast the industry is growing. I hope that they are listening, and they take into consideration a bit more when adapting novels and creating the shows....
I just stumbled upon this video and I must say it's really well done. I have been watching BLs specifically since 2022 and ever since this particular subject has stuck with me because of how many times I have seen it in BLs and how casually SA, and r*pe are handled by these dramas without an ounce of dignity. honestly, I am not as understanding as you are because I refuse to acknowledge it as an ignorance on the writers' part. I think when you are writing something that is going to be broadcast to such a huge audience, especially one that includes a lot of young people, you have the responsibility to learn yourself before you spread your ignorance. I also assume a lot of the times it has to do with the writers assuming that what they are doing with these scenes to create CPs or use it to create "hot" NC scenes (read: non-consensual sexual advances) are what sub-dom verse is about. so, it is their responsibility to clear it up by themselves and use constructive criticism to improve their work.
another thing I would like to add is while TT or Love by Chance is talked about when it comes to this topic (although less LBC and more TT), a lot of people I have talked to refuse to acknowledge that LITA (love in the air) also falls into this category. like you said for TT that afterwards they had character development but it's okay if I still blame it and don't accept it because I am that person. being from India, where marrying a r*pe victim off to their r*pists used to and may still be an acceptable action, I refuse to accept that a loving relationship can be formed when you start it with SA or r*pe. even if someone like Sky-Pai relationship to death, I still hope people acknowledges the fact that it started with Pai coercing Sky and thus it constitutes as r*pe. and this caused his trauma to resurface and after that we all know the story. it's also concerning that dramas like city of stars is not well-liked by people because it's boring whereas this drama shows consent and a healthy relationship. makes me think people only want to see a CP and hype it when it involves some form of sexual assault or violence.
anyway, thank you for this well-made video. ❤
I hate how many people love Tharntype, like they don't understand that at the beginning Tharn sexually assaulted Type so many times. Type had internalised homophobia from being assaulted in the past and Tharn still tries to get with him, like you wouldn't get with a homophobic person, why him? I get that Tharn helped him but when watching this series I only saw a r*per and his victim at the beginning as their relationship was developed by assault
I feel like these female writers don't get enough backlash for the harm they cause with all the misinformation and absurd content they put out. I personally decided to avoid anything Mame is involved in.
Didn’t Tharn experience sexual abuse or something by his older brother’s friend at a young age like middle school and my only problem with TharnType is Lhong didn’t get punish for the crime he did to Tar and another thing Tharn’s older brother is too forgiving like he forgive lhong and his best friend Edit: I love the video and The message behind it I think it’s getting better I remember seeing an interview with the cast and crew of TharnType they know what people are saying about consent and sexual abuse
yes he did have sexual intercourse with his senior/thorns friend P'San and its was sexual abuse because San did do something to convince Tharn to sleep with him also I'm also angry that Lhong didn't get punished
@@nibbajoon8684 No, San didn't abuse Tharn. Tharn was consent. But he was 14 y.o. That's why Thorn was angry. San was in love and wanted a loving relationship with Tharn, it was his first love. But Tharn did this out of curiosity and wondered about his sexuality.
@@allons-yalonzo3793 "There was consent, but he was 14 y.o" Yeah, idk about that.
While I think that P'san's role in the plot, helping Type realize he needs to stop being selfish and think about Tharn's feelings, was generally quite alright, I don't think P'san gets a pass on his behavior. Even though he was only a couple years older than Tharn at that time, (I believe 16-17?) he still knew what he was doing by asking him to meet him in an empty room and egging him on like that, he was still trying to take advantage of a younger mind and body. Just because a much more naive and 14 y.o Tharn said a "yeah I guess?" out of curiosity, doesn't suddenly make what he did okay.
I think the fact that the situation was so traumatizing to Tharn, that he literally doesn't ever want to partake in a sexual role related to what happened at that time, says quite enough about how he feels towards the experience as a whole.
It wasn’t even Tharns older brothers issue to even forgive 👏🏽 What is there for him to forgive? “I forgive you for taking advantage of my little brother” ??? Huh?? No it should have been Tharn deciding whether or not the friend should have been forgiven...i will never forgive the writers for that lmao and it’s crazy how that’s not the only issue in the series 🤦🏾♀️
@@misoasoda340 exactly! thorn is way to forgiving and that's kinda what I hate and love about his character
I love how you speak about the topics and give criticisms so deeply and provide research. Feels like a discussion. We love to see it
I stopped the video to rant at least ten times. I love that people are talking about this issue and thank you so much for making this video. One thing that bothers me the most about the romanticization of rape and sexual assault is that the main audience of bl dramas are young girls so when they see scenes like those they're gonna think when their boyfriends goes too far its not rape its just love.
+ most comments on the video of lhong’s actor singing the tharntype ost are about how he’s ‘too cute to be a villain’ and that they ‘can’t hate him for what he did bc he’s cute’; which is just... scary to read
Yes that's make me freak out , because somehow some thinks that if the rapist is beautiful, it means that he can do whatever he wants😐.
Yeah ikr... scary
@@Anneceline123 I'm sure they're talking about Kaownah (tge actor),not literary Lhong. Because it's not Lhong who sang the ost. It's Kaownah, "he's too cute to be act as a villain"
They were talking about the actor. They don't want the actor to get hate for playing a horrible person so they're nice about the actor. I haven't seen anything nice about lhong.
Tbh it's really damn triggering. If you think he's cute, go watch another show where he plays a good character and stan THAT one. Not continue to admire an evil character who traumatised someone
Thanks for the points about the use of music and sound effects in scenes. I still have plans to watch The Effect but including it here really is such a stark contrast and was really needed for this subject. There should never be a point in time where we all stop evolving and it will always be sad to see people reject that fact.
Thank you Kayla for always using your platform to discuss topics that are very sensitive. You always push yourself not only to make fun and engaging content but some that are so insightful and starts a conversation within the community at hand. You’re amazing at what you do not only do I believe in you but everyone else. Thank you for always working so hard to give us the viewers your best. Sending you love as always. 😊❤️
The Rape to lovers trope is one of the things I HATE the most about the BL word. It's absolutely disgusting and ruined so many good stories.
This video is simply amazing. As a writer myself (Please, don't judge my writing through my English skills. It's not my native language), i feel really bothered and frustrated when i see those issues being treated with such carelessness. That's exactly why i like "The Effect" so much, even though it was difficult for me to watch it. It's basically the same thing about media related to psychological diseases: most of the time, they're simply trivialized and quickly solved. For real, your channel is one of my favorites, if not the favorite one, on TH-cam.
This is actually the reason why I am always thinking twice whenever I will watch bl series. It’s just so sad that they romanticized those.
I hope Mame sees this video and learns from it.
FINALLY somebody talked about TT! Everytime someone tackles this issue here on youtube they fear to say the true about Tharn harassing and abusing Type cause the show's crazy stans can't accept this.
This is so exhausting to watch😭, thank you for making this for us. Hope you're well and protecting your mental peace ❤️
Starting to realise that I've kinda become desensitised to this. I'm so used to ignoring it cause so many bls have problems with consent and physical violence.
I myself am a sexual assault survivor and that BL dramas and series don't look closely about sexual assault or rape , suicide,etc and I really hope that they understand more about these struggles that sadly happens in real life and I hope that future dramas and series donate or show a message about these struggles. And I just want to say I am a big fan of u😊😊 and you always show light on things u stand by.💕❤️
I know a lot of people have addressed some things that happen in TharnType but let’s not forget what happened between Tharn and Type, as someone who was assaulted and then proceeded to be pressured into a relationship with the person who assaulted me it makes me so incredibly uncomfortable to see people say “it’s bad at first but after a few episodes they’re really cute”. I went through something similar as portrayed and i have dealt with years of trauma because of it, to this day it’s hard to feel as if i have the right to consent in a relationship because of the manipulation i went through. Mew and Gulf’s chemistry is insane and they’re amazing actors but i wish people wouldn’t overlook or brush off what happened because of that. Looking past dubious consent or full out assault in a series between a couple because they have a cute relationship afterwards does nothing to help the issue or actual victims. My relationship wasn’t all assault, my abuser took care of me and did many things normal partners do, but all of that can be twisted when you’re in an abusive relationship. Most of my insecurities in relationships and such actually come from the fact that they were caring as well.
Also the trope of being confused about your sexuality or feelings for a person (usually as a means to justify what happens) irks me so much as it’s an actual tactic abusers use to excuse their behavior and/or abuse their victims.
Ok so I’m the scene where tharn gave type the hickey was assault however it wasn’t meant to be romanticized it was protracted to be a prank for type not saying it is right just saying it was in no way sexual ... that’s basically the only thing I have seen them done wrong in their relationship at the starting .. a lot of person had a problem when type was having nightmares and tharn cane over to help him by hugging him and I Th ink kissing him on his forehead to calm him down which is really stupid and the scene was made so he could calm type down. Also I have seen them have problem with the shower scene .. like u don’t understand how
Seriously, thank you so much for mentioning the ominous TharnType scene from the first episode ❤️
Every time I talked about that with someone, they literally NEVER thought that was sexual harassment and that Type not consenting is a bad thing (some even laughed and thought "well, the douchebag deserved it" because of Type's homophobia), but as a recipient of such shit in a past relationship, that fucking hurt.
It felt reassuring and kind of you to use that scene as an example ❤️ again, thank you for recognizing the weight of such actions and being an intelligent, sensible human ❤️❤️❤️ love your videos btw
I’m glad you’ve talked about this topic bc it irks me whenever some people try to justify why it’s ok to ship no offense to anyone techno/kengkla or they say it’s just fiction you’re overreacting bc it’s kinda a slap to the face bc I’ve experienced sexual assault before at my school once by a fellow student so I know how that is. Even if it’s fiction those scenes apply to real life situations and I hope they stop using that trope in bls or any show in general. The only time sexual assault should’ve been brought up is to spread the awareness of its negative affects not to romanticize it.
THANK 👏🏻 YOU 👏🏻 FOR 👏🏻 MAKING 👏🏻 THIS 👏🏻
Tbh a lot of people overlook that rain (Lita) was r@ped by phayu ex: bathroom scene in 2nd or 3rd ep and 1st or 2nd ep at phayus house after his car broke down. People also overlook other characters like: Porsche (kp), Pete (kp), babe (pitbabe), Charlie (Heartstopper), yoon seoheon (jazz for two) and many more
As someone new to BL, I just finished TharnType The Series this past weekend. This video articulates everything that was going on in my mind from the series' 1st episode to its last. Thank you for creating this video.
Thank you for this video!
It’s so disturbing to see ppl try and defend someone forcing themselves onto someone else. A common comment I see in defense of Tharn or even Kengkla is, “oh well in the novel type actually already likes tharn from the moment they met” or, “techno likes kengkla and is thinking about him the whole time.” Like no honey that’s not an excuse. Unless either one of them gave their full on verbal consent then it’s not ok. I know a lot of the times the novel differs from the show but a lot of ppl don’t read the novels so we have no idea what they’re internally thinking. All we see is them resisting or being uncomfortable. It’s their job to make to characters feeling and emotions translate from the novel to the show.
Sometimes I feel like they want to have characters that are more tsundere and for some awful reason their best idea to get that character together with the other one is by force. Like can’t we see them just warm up to other naturally and you can still have these cute moments in between where the character is still shy or “hot and cold.”
I still watch bl’s though because I feel like I’m starting to see progression in a lot these series. A lot things we have issues within the bl world seem to be disappearing and I hope that they always make progress in consent being shown in all series.
This is why I didn't finish tharntype because imagine if ur asleep and ur roommate opens ur shirt and starts kissing u like just because the music makes it seem romantic does not mean it is not sexual assault
Yeah I found a big problem with that scene
Tharntype portrays so many issues in a comic way that it breaks my heart.. I get it.. the couple is cute and they are hot together.. But the series seems so toxic.. I really liked Mew and Gulf.. But I just won't be able to watch it again.. I hope people understand how much impact such shows have on young minds..😭😔
PS: I loved your video.. I literally got goosebumps towards the end.
Basically all the novels that I read which were chinese have sexual abuse, in Counterattack I couldn't even read until the end simply by the fact that the victim acts as if is something that he, as a man has to endure and follow his live. There's many examples of sexual abuse in chineses novels and they make me more horrified because of how is described.
Sorry for my bad english, lots of love from Brazil❤️
i hate how in TharnType, Tharn assaulted Type so many times before they started dating and so many people still called Type the toxic one
Well in the novel Type basically sets up Fiat to be raped by Leo so its not like he isn't guilty of terrible actions too. Doesn't excuse Tharn, but Type's behavior isn't excusable either.
That is what we all have been saying about the first 2 to 3 episodes of tharntype the series. But just getting shunned by the shippers, who are asking us to not watch the series; as type is not sure about his feelings or something. It's not the problem of watching or not. By not watching, it doesn't make a problematic scene any less problematic. There are good thing about the series, but whenever I try and watch again, those episodes literally just trigger me. That is where uwma and why are u did a phenomenal job. NO means NO. There is no but and if.
twinkle sharma uwma really did so well!
I just HATE how little people talk about this. Yaoi, BL, yara yara, people are genuinely excusing horrible abuse for the sake of their own desires and entertainment
Very interesting video. I agree about literally everything. That's also the reason why I watched only 3 BL series and stopped now. I hate the violence and the abusive relationships that they love to show. Even in sane relationships like the one between Tutor and Fighter they had to ruin it with a violent scene at some point, it didn't even fit the character of Fighter. They want to please the Yaoi fetichists and that's why it's messy. It's honestly very bad and I don't know if people will still like it if the writers don't understand that it's awful and impossible to watch for sane people. It's so bad, they should stop. It's so clear they want to portray action and strong scenes with this but they choose the easiest way somehow : the way of violence and abuse. Very bad. I'm not sure if I will keep watching Thai BL series after that, for now I stopped at least, Tharntype was too much for me. Thank you for the video, it was very interesting and you always have good ideas and points.
I also agree with you. Tutor and fighter had such a healthy relationship until that scene although fighter stopped I was nit happy with that scene at all.
In tharntype I couldn't handle the first season it was just too much although the second season was an improvement
There are some good bl shows that deal with sexual assault like bed friend and love in the air
Girl this video was amazing! You put all of my thoughts into words and explained everything in such a concise way. This was basically a video essay and I absolutely love it! All your videos are really inspiring to me and make me want to start making my own videos bc good lord there's too many things I want to discuss
This is so well thought out and expressed. I can't thank you enough about not only highlighting the romanticism of something quite terrifying but how framing a scene, music and cultural codes all play parts to downplay the seriousness of the topic.
As a gay man, looking for a good bara manga is always a challenge. You finally find one that has great art and then BAM! a sexual assault scene. Like could they not have consensual sex?? Not only is it a turn off, its concerning that its so prevalent in most of the medium.
The effect actually made me want to research about the consequences of r@pe and the side affects of it happening to you. It educated me a bit more about the subject. It made me realise that it is more that just scary but it’s actually probably very traumatising to be in the victims position. And the way they made it very clear that it was not a joke and how they made him feel nauseous when encountering him. It’s sad how people find r@pe attractive
They don’t care about the fact that those of us who have been raped are triggered when they show it
Weather its bl or gl or straight or any type of relationship just ask a fu*king consent... It's not that hard to control yourself.... As an audience it's our responsibility too to criticise the scenes which are wrongly depicted...
You never disappoint with your videos. There a few horrible offenders of this trope
1. Tharntype- at least three of the characters had been raped/sexual assaulted and there was forgiveness of the one of the perpetrators I will never get over how Llhong was reedeemed
2. LBC- the rape of Techno came out of nowhere and the victim was blamed thereafter.
3. En of Love novel the first encounter Mark has with Vee is one of degradation and humiliation and truly I have no words for how awful their first time was. It is even compounded by the fact that Mark doesnt even see what Vee did as wrong makes.me question whether or not it eas intended to be seen as rape or just forceful sex
4. Dark Blue Kiss- Mork first time with Sun was so aggressive though I wouldn't consider it rap it was unnecessarily forceful.
The other series such as Waterboy where Earth character tried to force himself on Newwwie's character there was a clear distinction that was wrong. It wasn't romanticized same with KornKnock in TWM. I think really there is a difference between forced sex in these series and aggressivness there is something lost in translation where they may say no but are actually meaning yes just there is a shame and stigma attached to homosexual relationships so that is a built in trope that the "uke" character is ashamed of what society thinks but he wants to be with his "seme". But in the end of these writers definitely have kinks, there some sort of excitement received my seeing these characters shamed degraded and humiliated in sexual situations. It is really disturbing when it's clear that's all they want to convey instead of having meaningful dialogue about issues that many in the lgbt community face. I applaud Directors that make better decisions when they adapt these stories like the director of DBK that showed Sun and Mork having a loving and happy first time with each other. But this is the most we can expect from bls some may be wise and deal with real issues but most are the fantasies of young girls and these narratives would never continue if they weren't actually popular. Just think of the immense popularity of Tharntype people are quietly enjoying these problematic storylines.
That last one was so hard to watch (I’m still crying about it) but this video was needed. Thank you.
I watched the effect after this video and it was so feroce. I think this serie will live in my head for at least 5 years.
Tharntype was one of my first Bl's, and I was disgusted with everything. First: Thor simply thought that his best friend having sex with his younger, underage brother was a "breach of trust" and not a crime? And San remained in the family not only as a personal friend, but even having the power to convince Tharn's parents to let him attend the college he wanted. He was loved and respected within the family of the boy he abused. Tharn as you said in the first few episodes was abusive and predatory towards Type, and after they start getting together Type is shown to be toxic, possessive, jealous, abusive and violent. He attacks Tharn not only physically, but emotionally and mentally. And I'm from Brazil and Type is one of the favorite characters here, precisely because he's what we call "surtado" he's the type of person who when dating, anything can be a reason for a fight with physical aggression having "love" as a reason . The situation of Techno and Tap is horrible, and the casualty as "we have a problem but we can solve it" just blow my mind. Techno suffered a rape and besides Tar having suffered a violent rape that left him traumatized, the involvement with his brother is simply a big no! Type saw the video and still didn't think for a moment that it was a crime. In Season 2 we have Type drugging Fiat with the permission of Leo, the guy who "loved" Fiat, so that Type could teach him a lesson for causing a problem in his relationship with Tharn. And unfortunately it has even more problems but Tharntype It's still one of many people's favorite Bl.
I saw that byulsarang made a video abt consent. I'm very happy you made a video abt sexual assault as well. I feel like videos abt the topic is important so people can see how horrible this is normalized. I hate that r*pe is so common in bl series and most of the time the characters end up dating.
(I'm happy the yyy series said something abt sexual assault especially bc the 3 characters in the scene are drunk)
Thank you!!! I’m so disappointed that more people haven’t about this because it’s so important, and it’s really annoying when shows just brush past sexual assaults or treat it as a joke. The abusive relationships and assault have literally made BL unwatchable to me.
An example of a movie that doesn’t romanticize assault is Night Flight. It’s a pretty sad movie but I really recommend it because it truly shows how difficult it can be to be gay in a society that doesn’t accept it. The director has made several LGBT+ themed movies and he’s pretty good.
Thank you for this video. I have been a victim of it multiple times and to be honest, it was quite triggering. I had to pause multiple times before finishing the video. I have never watched BL but as I was searching videos on the romanticization of abuse in kdrama, I found this video. The way you talked about this topic is more than awesome, so much so that I clicked 'subscribe'!
I think it's important to read the novel about Techno and Kengkla because in the book it's pointed out that what Kengkla did is completely wrong and no one should do what he did. I think ending LBC with this scene was so wrong because people would think this behavior as completely fine.
It's honestly fucking disgusting how they try to make the bad things look good. Just because it's fictional, doesn't mean it's okay.
I loved when you said just because something is cultural doesn't make it right. i agree 100 percent
i want to express everything i feel especially for the series of “the effect” but i can’t because of the limited typing i can do
The effect is the most honest portrayal of sexual abuse in a bl I've ever seen. The scene where when he sees his assaulted and he pukes it's just so terrifyingly honest.
The effect has to be my most favorite “bl” and i hope more bl’s create more just like it to raise awareness for male victims to sexual abuse/rape or manipulation...😫Asian countries need to be more aware of these things and i don’t like that non-consensual scenes are so common and normal🤦🏾♀️ I don’t like that these bl’s are basically romanticizing sexual assault and abusive relationships...
I feel like the difficulty also lies in the humanization of certain characters. There's a joke in learning Psychology where it is both a blessing and a curse. As much as we learn to understand others, we often excuse bad behavior because we can figure out or explain their context. I am absolutely disgusted by non-con plotlines and this video is really well-done.
Praise to you.
You covered series or certain storyline’s that I was uncomfortable with.
Tharn and type was a disturbing series - psychopathic jealousy that type and tharn had, the rape and assaults you covered and the whole nasty Lhong storyline.
I was surprised that this series was well received.
Lovely writer , the thai bl , is a powerful slap to the whole bl industry. It shows wht true consent is 😌😎👍
What I like the most about THE EFFECT is how it was clearly described how Keng has his own mental problems, how he kept everything he feels from inside, how he misunderstood adoration and respect from Shin to love. How he developed his obsession towards him, leading him to go out of the line; It was by raping him and physically assaulting him. How the actions from Keng that he misunderstood, how he absorbed Shin's warm feeling that he thought that he likes him, and how he burst from the feelings he has been hiding. If any noticed it, him being the role model, being top, being the smart kid, the rich kid was a pressure to him because everyone including his parents was expecting many things from him. And when Shin entered his life, he thought that someone already understood him. That's the seed of his obsession with Shin. Keng was a bomb-ticking because anytime he can burst and hurt others. Just like how he did in many scenes in THE EFFECT
What I like also is how Shin was clear from what he was only feeling for his senior. He respected him. He was pure to think that Keng also has normal problems that a students experience. He was clear from the beginning that he look up to him as only that. He was by his side as a supporter, as a friend, as someone who respects him, who understands him. He was only that. And Shin made that clear from the beginning.
And what I love about THE EFFECT is they didn't sexualize and romanize the rape scene. On contrary, they made the raping scene have more feelings, how the deep feeling both characters wanted to say something but couldn't because both were on that theme. How just by feeling the scene can make you cry before even watching the whole thing.
The whole story, the whole THE EFFECT was a society's problem that was the main point.
Cyberbullying, rape, homophobic, fake friends, false rumor spreading, assault, anxieties, biased POVs, biased voices, etc.
THE EFFECT was the most realistic example of victims of what the characters in the series portrayed.
I’m really glad you took your time to make this video you did an exceptional job of explaining this topic in great depth and the receipts are amazing
When I saw the title I just knew Tharntype would be in it. I tried to watch the series but couldn't go past the third episode because of the repeted sexual assault and how it was portrayed. I think we should discuss theses topics more as a community because rape and sexual assault are often diminished when the victim is a man (and there's the whole hypersexualisation issue). What I liked about the shower scene is that it shows that physical strenght doesn't always matter in theses situations and people who could "defend" themselves can also be victims of assault
i’ve recently finished Tharntype and i genuinely liked the plot BUT i cant put this on the top of my BL list. Type is literally abusive and Tharn Sexually assaulted type more than once. I absolutely hated those parts. The show was so good and made me cry and smile so much but their relationship is so abusive. I get it makes the story “interesting” to fans but please god stop romanticizing it. As a SA victim it’s literally disgusting to romanticize this.
Thank you for another great video. This is such an important topic and I think what your your videos are doing a great job of raising awareness of how across cultures we do a poor job of discussing abuse and rape. Additionally, and I think as important, you are helping viewers become more critical and thoughtful consumers not only of BL but of media in general. Please keep doing these videos and I look forward to what you will do next!
Thank you so much for making content like this; for taking time to create healthy, objective, and necessary critique of content we all adore but that equally needs to be tempered in consumption. This is so important.
Yassss! I can only name a few BL series with non toxic relationship and little to non romanticization of abuse and rape.
SOTUS is my favorite period
@@gmmtvactorsmybias.billkinp5963 I loved sotus too! Just one annoying thing is Arthit's lack of character development with regards to their relationship. Still I loved it nonetheless. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
UWMA
@@ash4486 all time favorite 😭😭😭😭 IDK what's with UWMA! if given the chance I want to forget the series then rewatch it again like 10 times. I loved how the story unfolded. ❤️
2022 and we have to get back to this topic thanks to Ki**Pors*** fans dealing with this subject in a totally irresponsable and romanticized matter. Your video is a masterpiece by the way. ❤❤❤
Rape and abuse are not problems only to the bl series. Until 5 or 6 years ago, in 9 of 10 thai lacorns haved rape scene. Some of them even more then 1 scene.
I didn't liked Long be not punished for his actions.
The effect probably was the most realistic happening in this situation - pain, suicide, fear.
As someone who reads and enjoys BL, I've been trying to tell people these tropes are a damn issue. Thank you for making this video.
Such a great discussion on this topic. One of your prior videos mentioned Addicted and I watched it, then found out it was cancelled and I started reading the novel. While I like the story the depiction of rape and kidnapping is problematic and gratuitous. I also feel it’s lazy writing to use rape as a tool to add tension but then ignore the actual fall out and have these characters have loving relationships like the assault never happened.
Thank you so much. And I agree we need to hold these authors accountable. Normalization of rape is unacceptable!
Watching this for the second time after a while and i still cannot get over how good you explained it.
The effect actually made me have nightmares days DAYS
The problem is most of the BL authors have fetish these kind of plots/scenes. Some touch these subject lightly and others blatantly write pages and pages of these scenes
The actual books are much worse than series. Its more worrisome that same young fans of series go read the full book. Some strongly defend it as romantic.
We love that this abouslte QUEEN is talking about this serious thing and I'm glad shes talking about cause its needs to STOP
P.s. Love you queen 😋😘
one thing i like about bounprem new series is that, THERE'S CONSENT. FINALLY IT EXISTS!!!
I agree I wish it would be more recognized and change someways they make bl series
I have been through sexual asulte it is the most horrible thing. I maybe a girl but I know some of the pain. I am not afraid to open up about it ever. The thing that upsets me the most is hearing rape and abuse happen to others everyday.
i don't understand how is this get so normalize even romanticization about it especially in the au or fan fiction, it's not like putting something non consensual, abuse, or even rape as a "bad or dark side of the world" in a story but it truly being treat like something interesting, sexy, and hot. i have a big respect to a lot author out there cause they are so talented and generous as well to gave their stories for free, but it's truly made me sad why a lot of them still has that mindset like that thing was not a nightmare.
Thank you for bringing this to us. The world of BL is still young.. hopefully the BL scene will start to seriously consider this issue and redefine healthy relationships.
tbh I almost stopped watching TharnType because of the sexual assaults (I'm done with it). Like, couldn't they make some random dude try to rape type (to which he either manages to escape or Tharn helps him by fighting the rapist), then have Tharn help him recover from his trauma? It only takes a couple of scenes from the first two episodes to change that whole narrative and make it "healthier" without compromising their relationship. And don't get me started with the Lhong bullshit... Tharn was raped by his older brother's friend, they know how damaging it is, why forgive Lhong? (but again, they forgave the "friend", I don't remember his name). IDK those things kinda ruined the series for me.
Tharn was never raped by San. San proposed and Tharn accepted, out of curiosity and realized that he didn't like being a bottom. Thorn was angry with San because Tharn was only 14 years old. San was in love with Tharn but for Tharn it was just a sexual experience.
Tharn does not forgive Lhong, but the best punishment for Lhong is that the object of his obsession no longer wants him.
In the novel, Type uses Tharn to recover from his trauma, that's why he asked Tarn to sleep with him. He never told his friends, Techno or Kom, about his rape. Even if it appeared in the media.
@@allons-yalonzo3793 Tharn was 14 he could have never consented to having sex with that guy that in my country is called statutory rape. She made Tharn a victim without the character even knowing he was thats why this series is so sick to me it's like abuse is its main plot. When Type said to Tharn when recalling his trauma "you made me come right" and then goes to explain how he was abused it was so sickening it's like his rape was mirrored in Tharn's actions. Thats why he started getting nightmares. And it almost seemed as Tharn learned about grooming from his first bf, he slowly picked on Type until he started to feel he couldn't be without him, from kissing him, forcing the bj and then comforting him whe he had his nightmares he slowly made Type open to the idea of being with a man and to needing him in the process. I just know I truly know that there would be a young people who but into this type of romance and will end up getting hurt becaus of it.
THANK YOU thank you thank you for pointing out that drunk scene in Tharntype. I keep commenting on youtube videos of that scene saying how uncomfortable that scene was bc Type was passed out and was not able to consent to what Tharn was doing. I also found it creepy how Tharn would touch Type in his sleep as well. I love Mewgulf so much but the show has some issues I can’t just ignore
Also I didn’t like that in Tharntype, it felt like they just pushed the sexual assault victim’s story under the rug.
Either way I kept trying to find TH-cam videos addressing the uncomfortable and not ok scenes of Tharntype and i’m glad I finally found this video. In the comments of that episode I was in shock bc I didn’t see anyone talking about how wrong those scenes were
I love how you analyze and explain things, especially how framing works 👏
I don't have anything to really add, and I'm sure you've heard enough from me about this specific topic both here and on twitter, so instead I just want to thank you for the video and how thoughtful and thorough you are, both in this in all of your other videos. I'm so glad the fandom(? community?) has your voice out here, being reasonable and empathetic. I really do appreciate your work.
This video is a blessing to the Bl community and you explained everything perfectly!
Actually thank you so much for making this video. I understand that BL series have so much to portray beyond romance and cute stuff. And this video clearly explains everything. I really appreciate the way you conveyed the message calmly with analysis and references. Good Job
thank youuuu!
we need to talk about this issue more! 😭