Current generation of World Tour Pros. Of the last 25 TdF winners in Paris (before getting yellow taken away) only 3 riders have no record of banned PED use. Many legally used with a TUE. 1 of those winners had a teammate using banned PEDs and so benefited while not breaking any rules.
its phil the hypocrite because he says tom danielson a twice caught doper is a great guy but calls cancellara schlecks gilbert etc. dopers with unsubstantiated claims and calls them everything else
Chris Horner was probably OK in the earlier days...continental US teams, then he got involved with Armstrong and Radioshack and from there it was probably not good.
There's no cell reception so it wouldn't record until he gets off the mountain. He also wanted to screenshot it before anyone was notified they were beaten and removed it....
Strava live segments doesn't need cell reception. It just uses the pre synchronised GPS co-ordinates of the segment and the pacing at intervals along it.
A valiant effort Phil! Sounds like a rematch is in order plus it would be great to see you take on Montezuma's Highway out at Borrego Springs before the desert heat gets too intense.
Enjoy the idea but constructive feedback that will help future episodes; you're telling a story, so set the stage with some context. Where is Palomar? How long is it? Avg gradient? What makes it special/why is it hard/why is it the focus of the episode? I believe I read that you are doing these episodes to help with some future/regular job, so treat the viewer like a regular person who needs the table set before they can enjoy the meal you've made. I personally know how tough Palomar (and any of the other climbs in this series) is and how significant and amazing hitting that time is....so present it in a way that draws the non Strava/non-SoCal native viewer in.
that's very sensible advice, if you want to have a webseries that goes beyond the incrowd. I'd suggest adding a small animation that shows the climb would be awesome too. Some added features would take this series global, cycling community is huge.
Phil, loved your #1 book and love the worstretirementever for the same reason - honesty and bikes. You tell an honest story, with or without 8 seconds or $10 a day, and its about riding bikes. Riding bikes clean. We all get on the same bike and pedal - you tell us what it's like to be a regular guy in the world of elite riders. Thanks.
Oh Phil awesome job but a Garmin 510 or above has live segments and you can have a shadow pacer. Awesome job. I've been anxiously awaiting these videos. Looking forward to more
Don Walker use the fly over feature to see where Horner gained the seconds on you...then use your normal screen until the last mile and swipe to the ghost rider mentioned above...beat that target. This video could've been 15 minutes long with another successful attempt and we'd love it! looking forward to the next one
I think Phil does it only once on a set day .. otherwise there is no thrill .. he may have practised before but when going for the KOM, only 1 chance (for a year??)
Enjoying these videos so much, I bought a new bike and started going after KOM in my region. Addicted to Strava and bike races nowadays. inspirational keep at it!!
Been anxiously waiting for these shows, bummed you didn't KOM on your first one but I'll be keeping an eye out for the next episode and for rides on Strava. Keep that "worst retirement ever" going Phil.
AHHH the feels, haven't even watched the video yet. My dad and I used to camp there every summer, and we would hike to the observatory. We would also go on weekend trips while I was in school. We lived in Escondido so it was close and would be our destination when we weren't out jeeping in the desert. I live in Iowa now though so I don't get to see him much.
Good effort and outstanding that you are still attempting these while your fitness is at it's peak. Any chance that you could come back to the Pro Peloton??
Way to go Phil. Most of mere mortals / weekend warrior types rarely get any KOMs and when we come so close and just miss it, or have one of our few KOMs clipped by someone else ... well, let's just say we feel your pain. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to more videos from your g-d awful retirement.
Let us know when you're going back and we'll get some cheerleaders at the top to motivate you! Awesome effort, fun video, thanks for the inspiration....
Sam always does awesome camera work. This is great Phil. Really enjoyed the first few episodes. I felt the same way ("i'll probably never be as good at any else") when I retired from pro sport. You have to find new goals.
Yeah live segments are nice, although not always completely accurate. I have been "ahead" and then wound up actually slower. when I uploaded the ride. But it helps. And what is this plugged into a laptop deal- you don't have bluetooth and auto-uploading? Also, thorfinn keeps following me, then unfollowing me, then following me again on instagram. it's creeping me out.
Strava KOM tip: add your smart phone Strava device and app to your current Garmin (or whatever cycle-computer you use). The margin of error in the devices you use to track time is probably greater than 8 seconds over that time, and one of the devices may get you the KOM when the other doesn't. I don't think it's cheating, it's just a second sampling of the effort. I started doing this to avoid the dreaded KOM attempt that shows you in the woods next to the road when you know the effort would have gained you the KOM, but the segment didn't record.
gamin records at 1 second intervals with a power meter. can be set to record at 1 second intervals without. smart phone records every 3-6seconds. Thats how people get KOMs cause the recording fills in the blank and assumes you were somewhere when you may not have been. Only a garmin with a power meter is legit.
I think Strava live segments would help you with the pacing issue. You can totally overcome those last 8 seconds (as I'm sure you know). Great episode!
Damn, so close! I know the feeling, the closest i've come to a KOM i ended up with the exact same time as the previous one and of course didn't get the actual title.
cool episode, looking forward to the next ones....... one point of critique: whats up with the color combination? Red sleeves, limegreen vest and yellow helmet and shoes...... other than that cheers
If you can turn this video series into a cash cow, then this could be the Best retirement ever! It's better than 95% of the shit on network TV! Love, thanks for sharing your retirement with us!
Dude I fucking love this series. I live in LA and I've been riding for about 3 years now. My usual training ground is Griffith (basically in my backyard), but sometimes Mt. Wilson/ACH. Hopefully I'll see you out on the road sometime.
Palomar is a brute. I've only ridden up it as a race (time trial), and only the last 7-8 miles (the part with the switchbacks). I think it was 1985, and I was a junior. I do remember a fairly unknown (at the time) Mexican rider by the name of Raul Alcala flying by me not far from the top. He started 1:30 behind me.
Phil man you should have went to the drops the last alittle bit... more aero might have gotten the KOM.... oh shit wait you sawed them off lofl CLASSIC... looking forward to attempt number 2 I can see you breaking 51 minutes!
Great first episode! Sam Smith produces great videos and I miss BtB. It's good to see him back. I can't wait to see your next attempt. We're all pulling for you!
Wondering why your coach missed the part about charting out the course and setting some timing benchmarks, so you'd have known if you were on pace...., then again strava segments are always subject to GPS inaccuracies, a few meters on the wrong side of start and finish points can make a meaningful difference.
Impressed that your first effort was not successful and yet you still used it as an episode. Looking forward to the next episode of "cyclists on bikes getting cookies".
So will we get an episode at the end of the season of you trying this again? You can't just leave an 8 second difference, that is too close not to attempt again.
Wow! As a former Garmin-Sharp rider, I can't imagine Garmin are too happy with you right now... Why not reach out to them, get them to sponsor these videos and show you how to setup 'live' segments on your edge 520. Also, get it setup so that the device is paired via Bluetooth... none of this connecting it to your laptop rubbish. Looks like a promising series though!
This effort can be done again I'm sure. Taking some of the tips from others below regarding live segment devices etc. should help. But most of all, was that you said that you thought the climb was longer and that you would have paced yourself better. So there's obviously more time you can shave off right there. I'm sure you can *probably* knock about another *40s* or more off the time knowing the climb better. Good job! Oh and another thing, get a shave Hippy!! (less grams!!!! :P )
Yo Phil, love the channel, but I have one question; at 03:32 - why did you have the bidon in the seat tube cage? Isn't the best place (in terms of aero / easily reaching the bidon) to have it in the down tube cage? Anyone else know about / do this?
You can use street view to see exactly where the segment starts and finishes. Strava: www.strava.com/activities/886578616#21586067932 Segment Page: www.strava.com/segments/273807 Start: www.google.com/maps?q=33.288701,-116.957553&t=k&layer=c&cbll=33.288701,-116.957553 Finish: www.google.com/maps?q=33.312912,-116.865387&t=k&layer=c&cbll=33.312912,-116.865387
I've only been cycling for just over a year but have started trying to get the KOMs from my cycling club. I'm 0 for 2 so far but enjoying the challenge! I've been putting them on my channel if anyone is interested in seeing a complete amateur attempting a similar feat!
I've been enjoying your videos and just wanted to leave a positive comment. I always watch TH-cam on my "smart" TV (it's a reward for folding laundry :) so I don't get an opportunity to "like" or comment. Cheers!
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I love that your first episode goes after Chris Horner "of a generation that we know about".
Keep on keepin' on Phil.
Current generation of World Tour Pros. Of the last 25 TdF winners in Paris (before getting yellow taken away) only 3 riders have no record of banned PED use. Many legally used with a TUE. 1 of those winners had a teammate using banned PEDs and so benefited while not breaking any rules.
its phil the hypocrite because he says tom danielson a twice caught doper is a great guy but calls cancellara schlecks gilbert etc. dopers with unsubstantiated claims and calls them everything else
Chris Horner was probably OK in the earlier days...continental US teams, then he got involved with Armstrong and Radioshack and from there it was probably not good.
You pulled a 1989 "Laurent Fignon." Gutted that you didn't get this and looking forward to next episode!
I grew up riding Palomar. Thanks for some great shots of home while I'm halfway around the globe. I love your videos.
Thank you!
8 seconds is a meaningful time difference in cycling. 89 Tour. Great video man!
How come your not using strava live segments on your Garmin to know the exact start, finish and pacing vs your goal?
Brett Corbett *you're🙂
yur a dick
There's no cell reception so it wouldn't record until he gets off the mountain. He also wanted to screenshot it before anyone was notified they were beaten and removed it....
Strava live segments doesn't need cell reception. It just uses the pre synchronised GPS co-ordinates of the segment and the pacing at intervals along it.
Brett Corbett - To record it does.
So bummed you didn't get it, but I can't wait for more of these! Keep up the good work.
A valiant effort Phil! Sounds like a rematch is in order plus it would be great to see you take on Montezuma's Highway out at Borrego Springs before the desert heat gets too intense.
This is great - just got the chance to watch the whole thing. love What you're doing Phil!
Enjoy the idea but constructive feedback that will help future episodes; you're telling a story, so set the stage with some context. Where is Palomar? How long is it? Avg gradient? What makes it special/why is it hard/why is it the focus of the episode? I believe I read that you are doing these episodes to help with some future/regular job, so treat the viewer like a regular person who needs the table set before they can enjoy the meal you've made. I personally know how tough Palomar (and any of the other climbs in this series) is and how significant and amazing hitting that time is....so present it in a way that draws the non Strava/non-SoCal native viewer in.
that's very sensible advice, if you want to have a webseries that goes beyond the incrowd. I'd suggest adding a small animation that shows the climb would be awesome too. Some added features would take this series global, cycling community is huge.
Daniel Katz well said
sorry yes you do I agree with Steve I am from Bermuda we have no climbs just few small hills, to have some info would have been nice peace out.
Excellent advice
Should have taken the rear brake off. More cable weight, and the front brake does 90% of the braking anyway.
Brad Comis
Yes, exactly.
Fun to finally see your show! I thought you had it too. It's interesting what you take away from that. Love your attitude! Keep knocking em down 👍🏼🚴🏼
Horner's deal was local knowledge of Palomar, a helping Santa Ana wind and taking off both front and rear brakes.
Super, super first episode. Really looking forward to following this.
Phil, loved your #1 book and love the worstretirementever for the same reason - honesty and bikes. You tell an honest story, with or without 8 seconds or $10 a day, and its about riding bikes. Riding bikes clean. We all get on the same bike and pedal - you tell us what it's like to be a regular guy in the world of elite riders. Thanks.
Oh Phil awesome job but a Garmin 510 or above has live segments and you can have a shadow pacer. Awesome job. I've been anxiously awaiting these videos. Looking forward to more
Don Walker use the fly over feature to see where Horner gained the seconds on you...then use your normal screen until the last mile and swipe to the ghost rider mentioned above...beat that target. This video could've been 15 minutes long with another successful attempt and we'd love it! looking forward to the next one
I think Phil does it only once on a set day .. otherwise there is no thrill .. he may have practised before but when going for the KOM, only 1 chance (for a year??)
Enjoying these videos so much, I bought a new bike and started going after KOM in my region. Addicted to Strava and bike races nowadays. inspirational keep at it!!
Been anxiously waiting for these shows, bummed you didn't KOM on your first one but I'll be keeping an eye out for the next episode and for rides on Strava. Keep that "worst retirement ever" going Phil.
Check out this video we made of Phil going for a shorter KOm the day before th-cam.com/video/V_GWojEQlVs/w-d-xo.html
Phil I slept on the floor of your and Spencer Gaddys hotel rom at Chattanooga bike race. This is the best segment on TH-cam!! Well done!
A total nutcase who possibly needs his head checking 🙂 Brilliantly entertaining, can't wait to watch rest of the episodes!
It's only 8 seconds. You did it great, Phil ! 👍👏👏👏
Awesome...looking forward to more of these!
This whole idea is just awesome bro, Im a real fan of pros showing that they aren't cyborgs. Keep them coming, cheers
When it comes to KOMs the "Disappointed" face is all I have... These are going to be fun. Thanks for the post.
Watched the episode post trainer workout, sucks to miss it by such a narrow margin. Praying there will be another try in the future Phil!
AHHH the feels, haven't even watched the video yet. My dad and I used to camp there every summer, and we would hike to the observatory. We would also go on weekend trips while I was in school. We lived in Escondido so it was close and would be our destination when we weren't out jeeping in the desert. I live in Iowa now though so I don't get to see him much.
Good effort and outstanding that you are still attempting these while your fitness is at it's peak. Any chance that you could come back to the Pro Peloton??
Looking forward to the next one!
Great stuff Phil, keep it coming. When will you attempt Lemmon?
to post the video with your real reaction to missing by 8 secs. I'm a fan! more episodes please!
Could be worse… Fignon lost the Tour by eight seconds.
Impressed, this is without any performance enhancing..., which for Chris well we are not sure; keep it up Phil, your a great inspiration.
This is amazing. Please keep doing these videos. Great idea!
Way to go Phil. Most of mere mortals / weekend warrior types rarely get any KOMs and when we come so close and just miss it, or have one of our few KOMs clipped by someone else ... well, let's just say we feel your pain. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to more videos from your g-d awful retirement.
Let us know when you're going back and we'll get some cheerleaders at the top to motivate you! Awesome effort, fun video, thanks for the inspiration....
That was fun. Love the project.
Loved the first one Phil! Keep them coming.
Sam always does awesome camera work.
This is great Phil. Really enjoyed the first few episodes. I felt the same way ("i'll probably never be as good at any else") when I retired from pro sport. You have to find new goals.
I'm glad I found your channel Phil! I see that you've upgraded from a Toyota Matrix to a Lexus CT200 👍🏽👍🏽
You're hilarious. Love these shows. Keep it up!
Like Gaimon's strava hunting. That's what led me here to his ytube channcel. Subscribed.
Yeah live segments are nice, although not always completely accurate. I have been "ahead" and then wound up actually slower. when I uploaded the ride. But it helps. And what is this plugged into a laptop deal- you don't have bluetooth and auto-uploading?
Also, thorfinn keeps following me, then unfollowing me, then following me again on instagram. it's creeping me out.
Strava KOM tip: add your smart phone Strava device and app to your current Garmin (or whatever cycle-computer you use). The margin of error in the devices you use to track time is probably greater than 8 seconds over that time, and one of the devices may get you the KOM when the other doesn't. I don't think it's cheating, it's just a second sampling of the effort. I started doing this to avoid the dreaded KOM attempt that shows you in the woods next to the road when you know the effort would have gained you the KOM, but the segment didn't record.
David Sherman Brilliant
But the weight of the extra device would cost him over 8 seconds over the course of a 51 minute climb.
gamin records at 1 second intervals with a power meter. can be set to record at 1 second intervals without. smart phone records every 3-6seconds. Thats how people get KOMs cause the recording fills in the blank and assumes you were somewhere when you may not have been. Only a garmin with a power meter is legit.
AWesme! some pumped that this series started! How much does that SuperSix weigh without brakes and drops? lol sub 13 lbs i'd guess?
How do you not rest a few days and just go again? So close! Just found your channel and have subscribed.
To be honest, I was just glad to get up without stopping! 1.38+change. Good ride, and I'm sure you have a Palomar 2, the redo.
hike them sleeves up! your skinsuit is like a wing they way you look to be wesring it. These videos are awesome! keep it up!
what Ann awesome concept and show. of course I wanted tippy to get the KOM but how fn real of you
Awesome effort and NO motor pacing! Great job!
I think Strava live segments would help you with the pacing issue. You can totally overcome those last 8 seconds (as I'm sure you know). Great episode!
Damn, so close! I know the feeling, the closest i've come to a KOM i ended up with the exact same time as the previous one and of course didn't get the actual title.
Laurent Fignon sympathizes with you.
cool episode, looking forward to the next ones.......
one point of critique: whats up with the color combination? Red sleeves, limegreen vest and yellow helmet and shoes...... other than that cheers
Keep them coming!
You're pretty funny. I love how you tell your mechanic to take the whole brake off.
Chronox5 real amateur having a mechanic. Rubbish
Get Wahoo Elemnt or something compatible with Strava live segments so you can see in real time how far ahead/behind you are of your PR or KOM.
Great video!
awe man!! good effort....i have no idea how disappointing that must have been.....no worries, you can have at it again!!
If you can turn this video series into a cash cow, then this could be the Best retirement ever! It's better than 95% of the shit on network TV! Love, thanks for sharing your retirement with us!
I admire you Phil, love your sense of humor ;) but does your suit with mesh on your arms cause useless air resistance?
Dude I fucking love this series. I live in LA and I've been riding for about 3 years now. My usual training ground is Griffith (basically in my backyard), but sometimes Mt. Wilson/ACH. Hopefully I'll see you out on the road sometime.
Drove up this climb today and averaging 13mph is just bonkers. Kudos
Palomar is a brute. I've only ridden up it as a race (time trial), and only the last 7-8 miles (the part with the switchbacks). I think it was 1985, and I was a junior. I do remember a fairly unknown (at the time) Mexican rider by the name of Raul Alcala flying by me not far from the top. He started 1:30 behind me.
Phil man you should have went to the drops the last alittle bit... more aero might have gotten the KOM.... oh shit wait you sawed them off lofl CLASSIC... looking forward to attempt number 2 I can see you breaking 51 minutes!
Great first episode! Sam Smith produces great videos and I miss BtB. It's good to see him back. I can't wait to see your next attempt. We're all pulling for you!
Love yer show bro!👊🏻💪🏻
that swallow just before you find our your time. LOL. Nice work though. Looking forward to more of PGWRE.
Wondering why your coach missed the part about charting out the course and setting some timing benchmarks, so you'd have known if you were on pace...., then again strava segments are always subject to GPS inaccuracies, a few meters on the wrong side of start and finish points can make a meaningful difference.
camera guy had an elbowz shirt, have any relstionship with them?
Why aren't you riding the super light frame such as AX Lightness and make it sub 5kgs?
Impressed that your first effort was not successful and yet you still used it as an episode. Looking forward to the next episode of "cyclists on bikes getting cookies".
you DO know you can set up live segments OR download the segment on a
garmin to let you know the exact start and stop , and live
time....right?
what model casual oakley glasses are those?
When is episode 2 coming out?!
So will we get an episode at the end of the season of you trying this again? You can't just leave an 8 second difference, that is too close not to attempt again.
Phil, you should turn this into a "Zen and the art of taking Strava records" life after the peloton discovery thing.
I minute played and...im in!
How about inviting Chris to a mano a mano?
Only if a USADA rep shows up first... ;-)
Very entertaining.
you are a true inspiration and cult hero
Phil is the G.O.A.T
Wow! As a former Garmin-Sharp rider, I can't imagine Garmin are too happy with you right now... Why not reach out to them, get them to sponsor these videos and show you how to setup 'live' segments on your edge 520.
Also, get it setup so that the device is paired via Bluetooth... none of this connecting it to your laptop rubbish.
Looks like a promising series though!
Well done.
This effort can be done again I'm sure. Taking some of the tips from others below regarding live segment devices etc. should help. But most of all, was that you said that you thought the climb was longer and that you would have paced yourself better. So there's obviously more time you can shave off right there. I'm sure you can *probably* knock about another *40s* or more off the time knowing the climb better.
Good job!
Oh and another thing, get a shave Hippy!! (less grams!!!! :P )
Did you ever do a rerun? :D
Yo Phil, love the channel, but I have one question; at 03:32 - why did you have the bidon in the seat tube cage? Isn't the best place (in terms of aero / easily reaching the bidon) to have it in the down tube cage?
Anyone else know about / do this?
Dinosaur JR seat tube is more aero
you should do a Phil-losophy series.
Is his KOM in a race? Strong going and that bike is beaut.
holy crap I was there that day! I got to the top about 5 minutes before him! of course I started nearly an hour earlier than him.
You can use street view to see exactly where the segment starts and finishes.
Strava: www.strava.com/activities/886578616#21586067932
Segment Page: www.strava.com/segments/273807
Start: www.google.com/maps?q=33.288701,-116.957553&t=k&layer=c&cbll=33.288701,-116.957553
Finish: www.google.com/maps?q=33.312912,-116.865387&t=k&layer=c&cbll=33.312912,-116.865387
Let’s see another dig at this one.
I've only been cycling for just over a year but have started trying to get the KOMs from my cycling club. I'm 0 for 2 so far but enjoying the challenge!
I've been putting them on my channel if anyone is interested in seeing a complete amateur attempting a similar feat!
amazing
Man I know you got 8 seconds in you...just a little more caffeine and a gel before you go!
You are right, this means nothing to Chris! The only way to compare is to mimic the ride Chris did. Good effort though.
single speed?
Hey it's the laptop! 7:23
no front brake? wow!
Legend
Great channel new sub new cyclist I do it because I love it I wish I never need to drive In a car I find it boring and lazy.
I've been enjoying your videos and just wanted to leave a positive comment. I always watch TH-cam on my "smart" TV (it's a reward for folding laundry :) so I don't get an opportunity to "like" or comment. Cheers!
thank you :)