Amazing. Finally some young people interested in the history of our country with an interest in the land and the future of this infinitely fascinating planet. Good job kids. Keep them coming, we will be on the look out for you much too often. ALTERNATE ROUTE !!! YESSSSS ;) x
On 2/4/19 I travelled 30 km along the Snowy Mnt's Highway. Saw 5 packs of Brumbies with about 8 horses each = 40 horses. 30,000m x 200 m =6,000 ha. Gives about 1 horse every 150 HA. 673,000 ha in the snowy mountains = 4,500 horses in the national park. No validity and no reliability in my data, but could be used to produce a data set with some.
Mind blowing that you could create such an amazing 'doco' with incredible production values when it's just you two and a bus. Such a compelling story and so very informative. I tip my hat to you both. Awesome!! :)
Australia is fortunate compared to the US in that feral horses there are clearly recognized as invasive. The horses that exist as ‘wild’ in the US are descendants of domestic stock, but from a pre white European settlement era. It clouds the issue of being exotic or invasive freaks, which in turn complicates management considerations. Good doc, thanks for sharing such a volatile and diverse issue in positive ways.
The problem is that we have two sides to the issue, two opinions to the situation; no one wants to put the money into a responsible and humane solution, and to put effort into providing accurate research and statistics regarding the species. Also heck if I ever owned a horse, I’d love it to be a brumby.
Humane solution is starvation. The areas we antis want to cull are areas of the park where Endangered native animals (Brumbies are descendants of the British horses so yes they are introduced) are nesting. Is extinction the answer to the issue because Guz wants a introduced animal that isn't heritage to be protected? Wake up John and see the damage
Every single person in this Country owes just about everything to these horse's! Without them, we would have this land. From the war horses, to the farm horse to the transport from the old backbone of what we are today! These Scientists & all these other worry warts that have no damn respect for anything that gave them today's opportunities & there will probably be a time that machines are out dated and the farms might start to use these beautiful, useful animals all over again! These is no great Country anywhere that doesn't have wild horses running all over its land! Evolution, the echo system will either work around itself or parts might have to die out 'so be it! We owe the horse more than most of today's humans!
Technology is just going to continue to keep on advancing we’ve developed better drone technology we have self driving cars and trucks, Uber airs a thing. It is predicted the future will become more and more relient in wifi and that nearly everything will use wifi to work. So no, horses in Australia will become more and more irrelevant to society. And what about the endangered keystone species such as the mulgara a carnivorous species which relies on the grasslands to survive. If these horses are eating away at their shelter they’re gonna lose more and more of theor habitat
Sorry I know this was four years ago and it might be out of date but it just showed up on my feed. Has anything changed. I agree that some sort of control breeding is needed BUT what the eco people forget is if you want to get ride of the imported species, they need to leave as well and I don't see them leaving the continent. First question have you DNA tested all the Brumley's in Australia to get them recognized as a breed If there is different DNA for each state then you have different breeds for areas. 2nd it the Cambrian Mountains the pony's are managed by the welsh farmers that have lived there for centuries they live catch them every year to do welfare checks on them one of the things they do is cut the tails short so they can see who has been caught this would also give you a good guess how many horses you have in that area and show you who has been tagged at a glance, this is also done in the New Forest but this is slightly different and tails are cut in certain ways so people can see who owns the horses this could be done for areas ie _ one area / another area \ and yet another cut you can even only cut the outer sides making them a lot shorter and leaving the middle long for a fourth cut . This would give each community a sense of ownership and knowing you can call your neighbors to help with the yearly muster. Just a thought and if all the interested community's are clubbing together to help the horses then that might stop the eco people and government complaining it could also be money making as I'm pretty sure a few people would pay to go on a real muster ( insurance included of course)
Hi Maxine my algorithm is also sponsoring more brumby stories but I thought it might be because I watched several episodes of true crime down under!! I’m a ‘lapsed equestrian’ but also feel concern for ecological sustainability for indigenous species. I think your perspective on how free ranging herds in the UK is quite interesting. The most recent Australian segment I found is from about a year ago I think. The debate about shooting Brumbies from helicopters is still happening, I think. My only idea which is probably not feasible is to fence off some rangelands within the park and contain the brumbies better so that the indigenous species can better survive. The controversy about wild horses seems to plague these beautiful innocents wherever they go. I hope that a way will be found to accommodate reasonable limits on their population growth without sending them to slaughter and killing them with guns. Posted day 22/2023 by Jen/ not-mardon, in Canada 🇨🇦
We have the same problem here in the USA our wild horses have been hear for at least 500 years that are now native in the West but you have the environatzes holrin we are losing part of our heritage as a result if I had a farm I would have a few mustang poneys for salde horses or pack horses and I think a brumdy mustang cross would be a good horse for cow work they would be really tuff in the back country to.
The anti- Brumby people need to go and see for themselves, just what causes the damage in the Alpine areas. Consult the people that live in these areas and LISTEN to what they have to say. Stop the Slaughter.
@Shivam Joshi I respect your comment. To me its not. Cane Toads are amongst most invasive species. Origin South America. Immigrated by ship to Australia. They kill ingenious wildlife. So no. Not creepy to me.
reer miye 1 geel jire If you feel this way you should probably take yourself out of the equation along with the rest your family make room for the rest of us they don’t feel that way
Your not very good at defining horse damage from wild pig damage horses don't dig a bog wild pigs do. There is a higher number of wild pigs compared to horses yet what are you doing about the damage that they are doing nothing as you know that that issue is far to big for you to be able to handle. Please don't lie about this
If one man robs a bank, but another kills a man, do you let the robber walk free? Don't kid yourself, neither pigs or horses and their hooves have any place on this continent.
@@theskyisblue8979 You're another totalitarian marxist who views living organisms as chess pieces to be moved according to your will. Fuck you and your dystopian, materialist dogma.
@Shivam Joshi yeah I heard tho North American lions were more like jaguars, but were they even social if they weren't true lions? that's what i'd like to know.
If you remove all the horses (and other so called "ferrell" animal species) the land loses out on liquid and solid fertilizer. Look at other countries that have discovered this interesting situation where animals in movement help to keep the land in better condition then it would be without them.
Higher fertility favours non native species. Australia has evolved with lower nitrogen and phosphorus levels, you change that by introduced species and it will change the local ecology.
@@dannystone5151 No whats stupid is the idea that the horses are destroying everything in the environment: but never mention the destruction cows, sheep and goes do.
Amazing. Finally some young people interested in the history of our country with an interest in the land and the future of this infinitely fascinating planet. Good job kids. Keep them coming, we will be on the look out for you much too often.
ALTERNATE ROUTE !!! YESSSSS ;) x
Grace Farriss thanks for watching!! Hopefully we can inspire more young people to look at some of the issues our beautiful country is facing
Fantastic! Finally something that shows all sides of the story! Well done!
Anne Mccallum thanks for watching! So glad you enjoyed it :)
On 2/4/19 I travelled 30 km along the Snowy Mnt's Highway. Saw 5 packs of Brumbies with about 8 horses each = 40 horses. 30,000m x 200 m =6,000 ha. Gives about 1 horse every 150 HA. 673,000 ha in the snowy mountains = 4,500 horses in the national park. No validity and no reliability in my data, but could be used to produce a data set with some.
Great work Jacob & Alex! A balanced informed view with beautiful pics. Thank you :)
Snowy Mountains Horse Riders glad you liked it! Thanks for all your help to make it happen :)
Mind blowing that you could create such an amazing 'doco' with incredible production values when it's just you two and a bus. Such a compelling story and so very informative. I tip my hat to you both. Awesome!! :)
Bud Dee thanks for the positive feedback! So glad you liked it. We felt with your love of horses we had to do you proud haha
Very well done and researched. Good stuff.
Australia is fortunate compared to the US in that feral horses there are clearly recognized as invasive. The horses that exist as ‘wild’ in the US are descendants of domestic stock, but from a pre white European settlement era. It clouds the issue of being exotic or invasive freaks, which in turn complicates management considerations.
Good doc, thanks for sharing such a volatile and diverse issue in positive ways.
Technically they are both invasive and endemic, they originated in North America but went extinct until the Europeans arrived.
Shivam Joshi bison are endemic to Asia you can still find them in Asia
the US can also support large hoofed ungulates whereas australian environments just can’t
The problem is that we have two sides to the issue, two opinions to the situation; no one wants to put the money into a responsible and humane solution, and to put effort into providing accurate research and statistics regarding the species.
Also heck if I ever owned a horse, I’d love it to be a brumby.
Humane solution is starvation. The areas we antis want to cull are areas of the park where Endangered native animals (Brumbies are descendants of the British horses so yes they are introduced) are nesting. Is extinction the answer to the issue because Guz wants a introduced animal that isn't heritage to be protected? Wake up John and see the damage
Can I have one? Any one, they are all so cute.
Every single person in this Country owes just about everything to these horse's! Without them, we would have this land. From the war horses, to the farm horse to the transport from the old backbone of what we are today! These Scientists & all these other worry warts that have no damn respect for anything that gave them today's opportunities & there will probably be a time that machines are out dated and the farms might start to use these beautiful, useful animals all over again! These is no great Country anywhere that doesn't have wild horses running all over its land! Evolution, the echo system will either work around itself or parts might have to die out 'so be it! We owe the horse more than most of today's humans!
Technology is just going to continue to keep on advancing we’ve developed better drone technology we have self driving cars and trucks, Uber airs a thing. It is predicted the future will become more and more relient in wifi and that nearly everything will use wifi to work. So no, horses in Australia will become more and more irrelevant to society. And what about the endangered keystone species such as the mulgara a carnivorous species which relies on the grasslands to survive. If these horses are eating away at their shelter they’re gonna lose more and more of theor habitat
@@brianisme6498 but if everything runs on wifi why do we need mulgara or horses is that what your saying
Sorry I know this was four years ago and it might be out of date but it just showed up on my feed. Has anything changed. I agree that some sort of control breeding is needed BUT what the eco people forget is if you want to get ride of the imported species, they need to leave as well and I don't see them leaving the continent. First question have you DNA tested all the Brumley's in Australia to get them recognized as a breed If there is different DNA for each state then you have different breeds for areas. 2nd it the Cambrian Mountains the pony's are managed by the welsh farmers that have lived there for centuries they live catch them every year to do welfare checks on them one of the things they do is cut the tails short so they can see who has been caught this would also give you a good guess how many horses you have in that area and show you who has been tagged at a glance, this is also done in the New Forest but this is slightly different and tails are cut in certain ways so people can see who owns the horses this could be done for areas ie _ one area / another area \ and yet another cut you can even only cut the outer sides making them a lot shorter and leaving the middle long for a fourth cut . This would give each community a sense of ownership and knowing you can call your neighbors to help with the yearly muster. Just a thought and if all the interested community's are clubbing together to help the horses then that might stop the eco people and government complaining it could also be money making as I'm pretty sure a few people would pay to go on a real muster ( insurance included of course)
Hi Maxine my algorithm is also sponsoring more brumby stories but I thought it might be because I watched several episodes of true crime down under!!
I’m a ‘lapsed equestrian’ but also feel concern for ecological sustainability for indigenous species.
I think your perspective on how free ranging herds in the UK is quite interesting.
The most recent Australian segment I found is from about a year ago I think. The debate about shooting Brumbies from helicopters is still happening, I think.
My only idea which is probably not feasible is to fence off some rangelands within the park and contain the brumbies better so that the indigenous species can better survive.
The controversy about wild horses seems to plague these beautiful innocents wherever they go. I hope that a way will be found to accommodate reasonable limits on their population growth without sending them to slaughter and killing them with guns.
Posted day 22/2023 by Jen/ not-mardon, in Canada 🇨🇦
What this doesn't show is the starving animals. See, saving means starving to activists. Thank you for supporting native extinctions, savers
We have the same problem here in the USA our wild horses have been hear for at least 500 years that are now native in the West but you have the environatzes holrin we are losing part of our heritage as a result if I had a farm I would have a few mustang poneys for salde horses or pack horses and I think a brumdy mustang cross would be a good horse for cow work they would be really tuff in the back country to.
Toby & Jenny They are feral horses and all need culled. Same goes for the burrows.
The anti- Brumby people need to go and see for themselves, just what causes the damage in the Alpine areas. Consult the people that live in these areas and LISTEN to what they have to say. Stop the Slaughter.
Riley is a fish
Yes I am
Who is this riley?
Where's the love for the cane toads!
Stefan
I have a Cane Toad purse. From Thailand👍
@Shivam Joshi I respect your comment. To me its not. Cane Toads are amongst most invasive species. Origin South America. Immigrated by ship to Australia. They kill ingenious wildlife. So no. Not creepy to me.
@Shivam Joshi it came from Australia. Shipped to Thailand to be produced as a coin purse. I ADMIT its weird. But kinda cool.
Human is worse animals in this world
reer miye 1 geel jire If you feel this way you should probably take yourself out of the equation along with the rest your family make room for the rest of us they don’t feel that way
@@dannystone5151 you mean worse then animals like you who's don't have no respect for anything
@@dannystone5151 Spot On !
There's some greedy horse people heratige
Your not very good at defining horse damage from wild pig damage horses don't dig a bog wild pigs do. There is a higher number of wild pigs compared to horses yet what are you doing about the damage that they are doing nothing as you know that that issue is far to big for you to be able to handle. Please don't lie about this
If one man robs a bank, but another kills a man, do you let the robber walk free? Don't kid yourself, neither pigs or horses and their hooves have any place on this continent.
@@theskyisblue8979 You're another totalitarian marxist who views living organisms as chess pieces to be moved according to your will. Fuck you and your dystopian, materialist dogma.
Set
JUST HORSES JUST HORSES GET RID OF THE SWINE AND THE DEER
These creatures DO NOT BELONG in national parks. I 100% support their 100% removal from the Australian bush.
Lions. They need to introduce lions.
Like african ? Or american?
Hahaha
Stefanicus lions don’t even naturally eat horses
@Shivam Joshi yeah I heard tho North American lions were more like jaguars, but were they even social if they weren't true lions? that's what i'd like to know.
@@brianisme6498, they will naturally kill and eat horses given the opportunity, horses buck because cats jump on them.
Why you guys not try birth control and not just one every bleu moon all a time .
Deer are more of a problem . They're large hooved introduced animals and are wider spread .
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If you remove all the horses (and other so called "ferrell" animal species) the land loses out on liquid and solid fertilizer. Look at other countries that have discovered this interesting situation where animals in movement help to keep the land in better condition then it would be without them.
Higher fertility favours non native species. Australia has evolved with lower nitrogen and phosphorus levels, you change that by introduced species and it will change the local ecology.
Heres a thought: get rid of the cows, sheep, and other livestock. They do FAR more damage than horses
Jamie Lynn I don’t think people want to eat horsemeat there for the cows and sheep are going to stay stop being stupid
@@dannystone5151 No whats stupid is the idea that the horses are destroying everything in the environment: but never mention the destruction cows, sheep and goes do.
@@jamielynn7674 aren't the pigs too, the wild ones creating actually the biggest erosion problem in the soil?
Feral..need to go .
@MARCUSAURELIUS who you calling a foreigner.
Pro horse propaganda packaged as a balanced piece.
Kook