Many years ago when I was stationed in West Germany I met a former German Army officer who told me that the Blood flag was taken to the South American nation of Chile by a member of the SS who placed it in a bank safe deposit box for safe keeping.
That must be why the communist were shooting machine guns killing people in the streets of Germany and why they were trying to take over the govt. before Hitler. Yep the commies were drunk. The commies who tried to take over Hungary in 1919 were drunk also and so were the bolsheviks who took over Russia they were all drunk.
I don't have to get drunk to want to do it, but I'm too sane to think I'll succeed so I am not going to try. Plus it's way too much work to be an evil overlord, I need to build up my army of minions first to do the work for me.
My great grandfathers were in ww2 infantry. one in pacific and one in europe. On my moms side the one in Europe he brought home some stuff he got out of germany including a nazi flag we still have it today, its crazy when you hold it to know it was made by the actually nazis themselves and whoever made it never would of imagined it would of ened up in TN in the united states in the basement of the great grandson of an American soldier who would be commenting about it in 2019 on youtube.
I would surmise that it was identified in the decades since the war as this war relic by verifiable means, and then discreetly sold to a wealthy collector. The former owner (or relatives) then never reported the sale income to the IRS. That secret disposition would explain why rumors of it have never surfaced since being brought to the US in the late 1940s. It may surface someday; these kind of things pop up without warning every so often. A historic and infamous relic like this should be conserved and given a place in a museum. There's one in Washington, DC on 14th St NW that would love to have it.
I know its been said in many ways, but your channel is like no other. This feels like the History channel I remember from when I was little. Those days sitting and watching with my grandma and uncle played a big part in my love of history today
It could have been burnt after the war during de-nazification by pretty much anyone who had a stong disdain for Nazi germany and got their hands on it.
I mean, they could also have destroyed it, considering how much they loved the old tradition. Letting your crown standard fall into enemy hands is the greatest shame, which is why here in Denmark the only respectful way to destroy the flag is to burn it, it stems from back in the old days where you did actually have banner carriers on the battlefield.
When the American troop ships came into New York harbor, after the war, stevadors on the docks, knowing that GI's were bringing back war souvenirs, ransacked and stole GI's dufflebags and officer's footlockers. It happened to my dad.
I would bet on "Scenario 4" also. Some American G.I. nabbed it at war's end, didn't realize what it actually was, and it's probably still floating around someplace in America today.
Mark Felton does anyone know the exact dimensions and conditions of the Blutfahne? My Grandpa had one in his desk for 50 years when he passed away I got it, it did have what looked like blood stains on it. I have compared it to photos and it's size does not seem to quite match. Either way it's locked up in a bank, great video!
Mark, I believe you have missed a fifth scenario. Major Grimlicher (forgive the spelling) was, as you point out, the custodian of the 'blood flag' and as such its protector. As you say, if the flag had been removed from Munich, he would have most likely gone with it, yet he was captured in Munich, indicating the 'blood flag' never left that city. I would suggest it is a good possibility that as the flags protector, the Major would have burned or otherwise destroyed the 'blood flag' himself prior to capture rather than allowing it to fall into enemy hands. There are many examples of this kind of action in military history, such as the 4th Marines burning their colors just before the fall of Corregidor at the beginning of the U.S. involvement in the war. In my humble opinion, I think this is the most likely scenario.
With so many WWII vets dying in the U.S., and many of the widows, and other heirs not understanding the significance of such "war booty", it may get sold to a collector, or more likely destroyed, or thrown in the trash.
The looting solder's mother no-doubt found the flag, along with her son's comic book and baseball card collection (which would be worth over $1 million today), and she threw them away, like millions of other mothers back in the day. That's what happened to MY father's comic books, probably in the early 50s. BTW, he took part in the Korean conflict.
I also agree with sceenario #4; The blutfahne is probably among Grandpappy's forgotten war memoriablia in some American family's attic, if it still still survives at all. And would no doubt make that family wealthy, if they knew what it was. And if its provenance could be eatablished . . .?
it's still unlikely it survived even if it somehow made it to America with a plucky G.I., as anyone born between 44' and the late 90's would have thoroughly played soldier with it, believing it to be just another relic from the war. my father supposedly had a Japanese battle flag, helmets and a sword- the sword being the only survivor of his childhood, and barely survived mine to be discovered as an extremely rare Japanese navy Kai-Gunto, or short Navy katana. I'm only 24. my father always thought it was made by some poor smithy after the war for occupying troops, to make some money to live on. he was quite surprised when I did extensive research on it, to discover it's true origin.
It always amazes me that with everything else the were doing, they must have entire departments in charge of engraving cutlery and embroidering bedlinen with everybody's initials.
Even as a staunch anti nazi,, i recognise the value of artifacts from ww2, when i worked in a carehome some relatives knowing my interest in ww2 gave me a silver nazi wound badge that they had bought from antiques shop. one of the Ladies who worked in the carehome told me her great aunt and uncle had seen rudolf hesses plane flying roughly above saltcoats town and stevenston town he flew north of isle of arran,realised he was leaving britain, u turned and crashed at eaglesham!
I can't say that I totally agree with your reasoning Mr Felton. If the Blutfahne was the most sacred relic of the Reich it could have been spirited away by itself and the other memorabilia left. Chris Carter the creator of "The X-files" had the Blutfahne as a plot device in his other paranormal series "Millennium'. The SS organization ODESSA had it in their secret hideout in Argentina.
Thank you (again) Mark, great video! and I know what happened to the blutfahne, the U.S. govt. brought it back to USA and stored it in a giant warehouse and have Top Men working on it right now.
It could well have been looted for its silver fittings. Silver has value and it`s only a matter of braking the pole in a few places. Then grab the fitting and leave the flag and rest of the pole behind. Is anybody really going to be able to pick it out without it`s silver fittings? Laying on the floor of a looted building with other flags, and poles smashed for their fittings?
3 or 4. The standard bearer knew where it was and guarded it until his last breath. He kept it safe until the end and maybe make sure that nobody will get a hold of it.
I think it being such an important symbol to the NAZIS, it was taken out of Germany via the ratline to South America. As unlikely as it might sound, that is the reason why it is there.LOL
I said this on the last video @ 0:30 I have that flag or something very similar I thought it was a home made fantasy flag it's made of 4 piece's the arms of the swazi is two parts folded to make the corners and sewn down. Ontop of a off white circle on a ruby red thick cloth.... I know this isn't the blood flag but any if anyone has information about that style flag, I'd love to hear it I just want to know if it's genuine or fake. It was passed down to me by my father, but I know his uncles wasn't in Europe one was on the hood the other was in Burma? I have no idea where it come from. I think you tube shadow banned me nobody will see this 😣
@J Thorsson no I am not when this video was first uploaded i asked the same question and i never had a reply off anybody. I have been shadow banned before, if you have log out then watch the video again a few hours later and you will see if your message is viewable. if it's not you have been shadow banned. Try it if you get suspicious
Grandma: I thought you might want this flag, dear, because you're a history buff. It was in the attic with some of Papa's things. I washed it for you.
"Tonight on Antiques Roadshow..."
It's in a crate in a US warehouse next to the crate with the Ark of the Covenant
Has anyone checked Argentina
It's probably in some veteran's basement, unknown by them as to its significance.
Why’re you repeating things, dakota?
Mark conveniently leaves out the possibility of being in a private collection. Obviously the owner would never make it's presence known.
I think so too dakota
These need to be made in to a TV series, far better produced than what I'm paying licence money for
Many years ago when I was stationed in West Germany I met a former German Army officer who told me that the Blood flag was taken to the South American nation of Chile by a member of the SS who placed it in a bank safe deposit box for safe keeping.
You ever get so drunk that you try to overthrow the government?
That must be why the communist were shooting machine guns killing people in the streets of Germany and why they were trying to take over the govt. before Hitler. Yep the commies were drunk. The commies who tried to take over Hungary in 1919 were drunk also and so were the bolsheviks who took over Russia they were all drunk.
The declaration of independence was written in a bar.
I don't have to get drunk to want to do it, but I'm too sane to think I'll succeed so I am not going to try. Plus it's way too much work to be an evil overlord, I need to build up my army of minions first to do the work for me.
The March on Rome was not 11 years before 1923. It was 1 year :)
My great grandfathers were in ww2 infantry. one in pacific and one in europe. On my moms side the one in Europe he brought home some stuff he got out of germany including a nazi flag we still have it today, its crazy when you hold it to know it was made by the actually nazis themselves and whoever made it never would of imagined it would of ened up in TN in the united states in the basement of the great grandson of an American soldier who would be commenting about it in 2019 on youtube.
I believe the flag was taken home by an American GI thinking it was just another ordinary Nazi Banner not knowing what he had
I would surmise that it was identified in the decades since the war as this war relic by verifiable means, and then discreetly sold to a wealthy collector. The former owner (or relatives) then never reported the sale income to the IRS.
That secret disposition would explain why rumors of it have never surfaced since being brought to the US in the late 1940s. It may surface someday; these kind of things pop up without warning every so often.
A historic and infamous relic like this should be conserved and given a place in a museum. There's one in Washington, DC on 14th St NW that would love to have it.
Circa 2023. Antiques Roadshow. 19yo hipster brings in unknown Nazi flag bought at garage sale in San Diego.
I know its been said in many ways, but your channel is like no other.
This feels like the History channel I remember from when I was little.
Those days sitting and watching with my grandma and uncle played a big part in my love of history today
Your channel is underrated.
It could have been burnt after the war during de-nazification by pretty much anyone who had a stong disdain for Nazi germany and got their hands on it.
What amazes and impresses me is two buildings right next to one another withstand multiple bombings. One gets obliterated and the other survives..
that's a rare relic but i think the amber room is/was probably a tad more valuable.
I mean, they could also have destroyed it, considering how much they loved the old tradition. Letting your crown standard fall into enemy hands is the greatest shame, which is why here in Denmark the only respectful way to destroy the flag is to burn it, it stems from back in the old days where you did actually have banner carriers on the battlefield.
When the American troop ships came into New York harbor, after the war, stevadors on the docks, knowing that GI's were bringing back war souvenirs, ransacked and stole GI's dufflebags and officer's footlockers. It happened to my dad.
Can't get enough of this show..
I would bet on "Scenario 4" also. Some American G.I. nabbed it at war's end, didn't realize what it actually was, and it's probably still floating around someplace in America today.
Yet another superb video, showcasing a piece of WW2 history that I imagine most people were previously unaware of. This channel is excellent!
Mark Felton does anyone know the exact dimensions and conditions of the Blutfahne? My Grandpa had one in his desk for 50 years when he passed away I got it, it did have what looked like blood stains on it. I have compared it to photos and it's size does not seem to quite match. Either way it's locked up in a bank, great video!
Mark, I believe you have missed a fifth scenario. Major Grimlicher (forgive the spelling) was, as you point out, the custodian of the 'blood flag' and as such its protector. As you say, if the flag had been removed from Munich, he would have most likely gone with it, yet he was captured in Munich, indicating the 'blood flag' never left that city. I would suggest it is a good possibility that as the flags protector, the Major would have burned or otherwise destroyed the 'blood flag' himself prior to capture rather than allowing it to fall into enemy hands. There are many examples of this kind of action in military history, such as the 4th Marines burning their colors just before the fall of Corregidor at the beginning of the U.S. involvement in the war. In my humble opinion, I think this is the most likely scenario.
I was thinking the same thing.
With so many WWII vets dying in the U.S., and many of the widows, and other heirs not understanding the significance of such "war booty", it may get sold to a collector, or more likely destroyed, or thrown in the trash.
Excellent non biased documentaries without taking any sides, just informative. Brilliant
Your videos are just so Great! Thank You for all your efforts Dr. Felton!
The looting solder's mother no-doubt found the flag, along with her son's comic book and baseball card collection (which would be worth over $1 million today), and she threw them away, like millions of other mothers back in the day. That's what happened to MY father's comic books, probably in the early 50s. BTW, he took part in the Korean conflict.
Why do they rule out that the SS flagman who guarded it, did not keep it in any place safe?
I also agree with sceenario #4; The blutfahne is probably among Grandpappy's forgotten war memoriablia in some American family's attic, if it still still survives at all. And would no doubt make that family wealthy, if they knew what it was. And if its provenance could be eatablished . . .?
Reupload? Did yt take it down
That was my question too
Yes, tech issue
@J Thorsson and I cannot get shadow banned .... mate pick a stance man 😂
@J Thorsson yes soy bois
Nazi copyright claim?
I'll like it again, and if it gets taken down again, I'll repeat that.
Damn it, YT
During the trial against the owner of the Heikendorf-Panther, newspapers reported that the bloodflag was also amongst his huge collection.
It's probably in South America in someone's family collection
Quite fitting that a member of the 45th Infantry division might have obtained the flag when one remembers that the 45th pre-war symbol was a swastika.
I'm enjoying re-watching some of Mark Felton classics ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐👍👜
Great deductions Mark.I love your channel. The best.Absolutely the best on the Tube!
It was probably in an attic of house that perhaps might not stand anymore. People have strange things in the attic and then they die.
You have some of the best videos on TH-cam. Thanks, Mark.
This video is in my top 5 of your videos.
The blodflag carrier also has an ottoman medal. Interesting!
it's still unlikely it survived even if it somehow made it to America with a plucky G.I., as anyone born between 44' and the late 90's would have thoroughly played soldier with it, believing it to be just another relic from the war. my father supposedly had a Japanese battle flag, helmets and a sword- the sword being the only survivor of his childhood, and barely survived mine to be discovered as an extremely rare Japanese navy Kai-Gunto, or short Navy katana. I'm only 24. my father always thought it was made by some poor smithy after the war for occupying troops, to make some money to live on. he was quite surprised when I did extensive research on it, to discover it's true origin.
Just stumbled across your channel absolutely great find!
Fascinating stuff Mark!
It always amazes me that with everything else the were doing, they must have entire departments in charge of engraving cutlery and embroidering bedlinen with everybody's initials.
Even as a staunch anti nazi,, i recognise the value of artifacts from ww2, when i worked in a carehome some relatives knowing my interest in ww2 gave me a silver nazi wound badge that they had bought from antiques shop. one of the Ladies who worked in the carehome told me her great aunt and uncle had seen rudolf hesses plane flying roughly above saltcoats town and stevenston town he flew north of isle of arran,realised he was leaving britain, u turned and crashed at eaglesham!
I can't say that I totally agree with your reasoning Mr Felton. If the Blutfahne was the most sacred relic of the Reich it could have been spirited away by itself and the other memorabilia left. Chris Carter the creator of "The X-files" had the Blutfahne as a plot device in his other paranormal series "Millennium'. The SS organization ODESSA had it in their secret hideout in Argentina.
I've got the blood flag on my wall. I didn't know anyone was looking for it
Really? I have it in my basement
Unbiased History mine is the real deal i was in the brown house and retrieved it before it got bombed
I say it's in one of those heavily boobytrapped facilities that were never explored because it's boobytrapped.
It could be in Grimminger's grave
Excelent.Please keep up the good work.Greetings from Serbia.
I swear Mark had done this video already
He did. This must be a reupload for some reason. I imagine someone got triggered by the sight of all those swastika.
Sam G deja videuou
He said that it was a tech issue
@@sarjim4381 Mark is re-uploading several videos at the moment.
hey Mark, I have a swastika that has been in my family, what distinct features does the blood flag that could identify it?
Either in some vets basement or in Argentina.
Excellent book to read (in German) : Kaden Eric und Arthur Meyer, Der Kornett der Blutfahne - Die Erinnerungen von Jakob Grimminger.
Love your videos Mark, very informative.
Thank you (again) Mark, great video! and I know what happened to the blutfahne, the U.S. govt. brought it back to USA and stored it in a giant warehouse and have Top Men working on it right now.
My hard earned is on Buenos Aires. You read it here first.
You are really amazing Mark Felton. thanks again.
Nice. Were you found this information?
Very informative thanks
It could well have been looted for its silver fittings. Silver has value and it`s only a matter of braking the pole in a few places. Then grab the fitting and leave the flag and rest of the pole behind. Is anybody really going to be able to pick it out without it`s silver fittings? Laying on the floor of a looted building with other flags, and poles smashed for their fittings?
Hi Brother
Thx for a very good video.
Regards
Very interesting pieces of history
Captain Picard! Can you see him in those photos? Time travel is real but he didn't quite succeed in his mission lol
Still more interessting than Guido Knopp! Nice Content. pls Continue ;-) pls add sources
Someone will pick it up for a buck at a garage sale, discover what he has and become an instant millionaire.
It was probably cut into pieces so each soldier in the platoon could have a part of it.
What if it got destroyed by some US soldiers cause they got caried away? Could also have happened.
The Lega Party has it stashed away somewhere.
Must’ve burned up in the rubble of the war.
3 or 4. The standard bearer knew where it was and guarded it until his last breath. He kept it safe until the end and maybe make sure that nobody will get a hold of it.
Someone definitely has it, scary part is when will it be re-flown? The old clique - history repeats itself , Way too often, old ideals never fade.
Ill use the money i make off the Blutfahne to support your channel.
My Mum threw it in the washing machine.
Is this a reupload?
Some loyal SS trooper burned it before the American Army got it....my best guess.
Last seen on my birthday. 30 years before I was born. Well, I don't have it. That's all I can offer to this mystery haha
2:10 What is with his face? I don't know why but it does not look right
Thanks for the history. Keep up the good work... Frak u YT
Very good video keep it up
It took ages to get the blood stain out. Bleach did it. Lol
Thought provoking.
Jean claude junker has it
According to the video; if securing a building is to loot it then secure people means.....?. What is the most plausible scenario?.
my guess is its in some private collection
very interesting and informative, thanks for sharing
I think it being such an important symbol to the NAZIS, it was taken out of Germany via the ratline to South America. As unlikely as it might sound, that is the reason why it is there.LOL
It's probably in some old mine
Reupload ?
informative
I said this on the last video @ 0:30 I have that flag or something very similar I thought it was a home made fantasy flag it's made of 4 piece's the arms of the swazi is two parts folded to make the corners and sewn down. Ontop of a off white circle on a ruby red thick cloth....
I know this isn't the blood flag but any if anyone has information about that style flag, I'd love to hear it I just want to know if it's genuine or fake. It was passed down to me by my father, but I know his uncles wasn't in Europe one was on the hood the other was in Burma? I have no idea where it come from.
I think you tube shadow banned me nobody will see this 😣
Try to contact a local newspaper about it so the news can get out
@@reagansmith5288 I do not know if it's real or just made to look like one.
@J Thorsson no I am not when this video was first uploaded i asked the same question and i never had a reply off anybody. I have been shadow banned before, if you have log out then watch the video again a few hours later and you will see if your message is viewable. if it's not you have been shadow banned.
Try it if you get suspicious
Is this a reupload
5:05 here you could add an image or two :)
And you dud exactly that at 6:40
May be in a grandpa old truck lying around with it´s M1 and the old letters to the grandma.
Why don't you do a video on Herschel Grynzspan?
Thanks for another very interesting video.
I have inherited some National Socialist relics too as war booty mostly belonging to NSDAP officials in Bavaria.
Thankyou for your Videos, they are Educated and Factual..
some russian wiped his arse with it ........