@@jtframeif someone said to me, the president gives his assistant a knife is a truly emotional moment, I would've thought they were off their rocker! But I saw it before I heard of it and, whoa!!!
I think most people would think that Jed was saying, "Trash it, don't let it affect you." No. He was saying, "Hand it, envelopes and all, to the Secret Service."
Jed: “My hesitation about you going out with Zoe before, you know it’s not because you’re black.” Charlie: “I didn’t think it was.” Jed: “It’s not.” Charlie: “I thought it’s because I’m a guy.” Jed: “It is!”
Probably. He didn't really mind Ellie Bartlet (possibly) being a lesbian, but when it turned out that she was straight and engaged to the "Fruit Fly Guy", that's when Bartlet got irritated.
Best parts here are Leo's iconic smug smile towards his brother Jed, Jed saying shut up and Leo's smile suddenly disappears as quick as dust, and Jed saying to Charlie that Zoey is 19 yrs. old and the 82nd Airborne joke. Yeah Aaron Sorkin blessed us with this show.
In a later episode, Charlie tells Leo that he and Zoey were going out. Leo asks if they'll be taking "extra protection". Charlie is shocked and says "Leo!!". Leo replies that he meant Secret Service protection. :)
0:52 "My daughter asked you out?" 0:54 "Yes, sir."0:55 "I should've locked her in the dungeon!" 0:56 "I don't think you've got one." 0:57 "I coulda built one."
I think it's interesting when Leo said "It's okay of you do." Neither he nor Jed believed that. But it lets Jed comfortably examine if there is even a tiny bit of racism in his feelings. And it lets him work on those feelings. Some people are taught racism growing up and they don't even realize it. Giving them a chance to see it and work on removing it is a far better way than attacking and condemning them for it. When you attack, people automatically defend. When you are supportive in this manner, you give them a chance to learn about themselves and grow. No, I don't believe Bartlett had the tiniest bit of racism inside him, but if he had, Leo gave the response that would have helped eliminate it if there had been.
"I don't believe Bartlett had the tiniest bit of racism inside him." He compared himself to Spencer Tracey at the end of "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner." That could be read to imply he had some level of unconscious racism in the past, but learned to overcome it; it would make sense given his background (born in the 1940s, grew up in the very white state of New Hampshire).
@@josephkempton6366 I recently read some article where some person said, "for the most part, legalized discrimination is not tolerated anymore, and now we are at the stage of changing hearts and minds, and that takes much longer"
As an Agnostic in high school, my first love was a full blown, gorgeous, Preachers kid! Parents didn’t like me either! Tried to break it off and she shoved me into a row of lockers and kissed me just like Zoey did to Charlie! Ahh Angela! First loves are awesome!
This was the exact episode where Leo became my favourite character. Also “she’s 19 years old and the 82nd Airborne works for me” is a Top 5 lines in TV history moment.
When I first heard this scene, I thought Jed said "You know what to do with the mayo, right?". It confused me until many years later I was able to see this on youtube and realize that it wasn't mayo, but mail.
LOVE this show and loved that Sheen wanted Bartlet to share his own Catholicism. Kinda surprised that they allowed Bartlet to make the mistake of calling Revelation "Revelations". That's the exact sort of common mistake that Josiah Bartlet would have corrected in others.
2:55. You know what to do with the mail, right? He knows as uncomfortable as his with his 19-year-old daughter dating... being seen with Charlie is going to draw a reaction. For someone he's only know a few months at this point... he's as protective of him as he is of his daughters. As demonstrated by his admission in the 2nd season about calling the FBI, ready to crash a hate group's clubhouse because they publicly tried to lynch Charlie at the end of season 1.
I love that the West Wing handle this topic with grace and dignity and what's your screen name is that despite the fact that it's 2014 and we have an African American in the white House some people will still feel this way it's a damn shame
I bought the entire series online for a slight modest price of $150... pricy but wtf? I get West Wing all I want all the time. Perhaps you should consider such an investment.
I think all the children of any presidents of the united states should a have a support group. This is insanely true and I cant imagine living with that threat.
The guys wanted to make a statement. As someone else pointed out in another comment section I read, a low-level White House aide being killed at home or in the streets would be forgotten about very quickly, but if he was killed while standing right beside the President, (and with the President possibly wounded/killed,) nobody would ever forget about it.
A little detail about Zoe's storyline always bugged me... She's 19 years old when first introduced... and about to be a first year college student... Which should have put her at 17 or 18, depending on where in the calendar year her birthday falls... As smart as she is, I'm assuming she never got held back in school when she was younger... Maybe she was one of those kids that got to take a year off after high school to go backpacking through Europe or something before going to college, or maybe spent a year interning or doing volunteer work, but they never explained that.
Also, Sorkin wasn't always great with people's ages. I once did the math on Bartlet, and figured out that despite being a Nobel Prize winning economist, he could only have worked between 4 and 7 years in that field.
95% of American High School graduates are 18 at the time they walk down then aisle in June. But don't forget that a BIG portion of them turn 19 sometime before Christmas their freshman year. I don't know what time of the year this is, but, if she's actually in her freshman year sometime, she's far better odds of being 19 than 18, and the number who are 17 is tiny. And being smart had little to do with when you graduated. There are a whole host of factors that can include having your parents start you later, to NOT deciding to skip due to social maturity issues, etc. Smart kids are pretty much exactly the same age as the average student at graduation.
Erik Trimble She was 17 when she started college because in season 2 episode 19 because she needed a parent to sign a health form because she was under 18. Unless she did the forms really early she was probable 17 or 18 in college
@@trims2u According to a line in an earlier episode when she was introduced, Zoey was already 19 years old and about to start her freshman year of college. They only way that would work is if maybe her parents started her in kindergarten a year late, which is a possibility as you pointed out.
I was thinking idly about how if Sidney Poitier had played the President, something Aaron Sorkin had considered, then that version of Zoey would have been black and perhaps if they had a version of Charlie he might have been a white guy. My fancasting was Meagan Good and Sam Huntington.
It's a cliche but the writing and awareness is sharp as hell. "I'm Spencer Tracey at the end of Guess Who. . ." FYI: at the beginning of the flick Tracey was racist as hell about his daughter marrying Sidney Poitier.
No he wasn't. He was worried coz this was before marrying across races was legal across the country. He was genuinely worried that his daughter hadn't thought it through. She had just met him a few weeks ago and already agreed to his proposal.
" remember this, shes 19 years old and the 82nd airborne works for me" LOL
By the end of season 2 she was 17 so they could get him in trouble over the MS 😂😂😂😂
I love that line too
@@moimeself1088she wasn’t 17 in season 2, they said that she was 17 when she applied to college so her mom had to sign the paperwork.
shoudlve brought in the 82nd.fucking racists.
Maybe if she had stayed with Charlie, she wouldn't have wound up a handmaid in a post-apocalyptic hellscape.
She could have lived out her life working at a detective agency in Santa Barbara instead.
@@Jermbot15 So, better
Probably
...damn.
🤣
By the end of the series, he was more worried about Zoey dating his SON than he was about Charlie dating his DAUGHTER.
Beautifully said. God, what a show this was.
Knife scene for sure haha!
@@jtframeif someone said to me, the president gives his assistant a knife is a truly emotional moment, I would've thought they were off their rocker! But I saw it before I heard of it and, whoa!!!
I love the cheeky grin by leo followed by the annoyed "shut up" from Jed just based on that expression. That's a best friend moment.
That's also the smirk of one father with a daughter enjoying the mental anguish of another father with daughters..
@@antonbruce1241 true that lol
Leo's smirk when the President tells him and how he replied in with 'Shaddap' makes me crack up with laughter.
“You know what to do with the mail, right?” Makes me so mad and so sad at the same time.
And ever since, the world has turned very slowly.
@@Rabascan So slow it's damn near going in reverse.
For me I thought he said mayo
I did too
I think most people would think that Jed was saying, "Trash it, don't let it affect you." No. He was saying, "Hand it, envelopes and all, to the Secret Service."
3:38 "Zoe, please don't tell me you're dating more than one guy" idk why that got to me! This whole clip is gold.
Jed: “My hesitation about you going out with Zoe before, you know it’s not because you’re black.”
Charlie: “I didn’t think it was.”
Jed: “It’s not.”
Charlie: “I thought it’s because I’m a guy.”
Jed: “It is!”
So if she was dating a girl....he'd be happier?😆
Probably. He didn't really mind Ellie Bartlet (possibly) being a lesbian, but when it turned out that she was straight and engaged to the "Fruit Fly Guy", that's when Bartlet got irritated.
Dating at all
@@srkh8966As the father of three now long-grown up daughters (our youngest daughter is now 40), I can tell you that you are 100% ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!
No suitor is ever good enough for your kids. It’s why the trope about in-laws exists.
Best parts here are Leo's iconic smug smile towards his brother Jed, Jed saying shut up and Leo's smile suddenly disappears as quick as dust, and Jed saying to Charlie that Zoey is 19 yrs. old and the 82nd Airborne joke.
Yeah Aaron Sorkin blessed us with this show.
"Just remember these two things: She's 19, and the 82nd Airborne works for me."I LOVE this show, what a good daddy!
"Should've built a dungeon" LOL. I loved The West Wing and miss it so much.
In a later episode, Charlie tells Leo that he and Zoey were going out. Leo asks if they'll be taking "extra protection". Charlie is shocked and says "Leo!!". Leo replies that he meant Secret Service protection. :)
But he does thank them for putting that image into his head.
Can you link that
Ken Henderson what episode
SpydeyDan what episode
@@lukethompson2714 I don't remember the exact episode but it was season 2 episode 3
Leo's smile is exactly what your best friend would do when you told him that. Love that smile! Such a great scene
It's such a great "I'm not going to let this go for a while." The "shut up" response just sells the relationship between those two.
Martin Sheen says "I am a father in pain".
Leo says "You just the pain".
“She’s 19 and he’s 21. Yeah, but a guy guy learns a lot in those 2 years” lol Sorkin magic with words.
I always loved how President Bartlett acted as a father figure to Charlie.
I can't stop laughing at the way he says "shut up"
"You are trying to cover up that you're enjoying this."
"I'm not trying to cover it up at all."
LOL!! haha :) :) :) :)
They made an incredible and underrated comedic duo throughout the series. The "I could pummel you with a baseball bat" line is my favorite.
Until the shooting, Leo is enjoying the President's reaction to Zoey and Charlie's relationship far, far too much.
Indi Heaton as horrible as the shooting was, Leo’s reactions are worth every second
"My hesitation with you going out with Zoe isn't because you're black."
"I didn't think it was. I thought it was because I'm a guy."
"It is."
“Yeah but a guy learns a lot in those two years” Hahahahaha. Aaron Sorkin is a magician
Given that kiss she put on Charlie, I'd say Zoe learned a few things on her own 😂😂😂😂😂😂
1:14 that look on Leo's face is the textbook definition of a shit-eating grin.
She's 19 years old and the 82nd Airborne works for me..... love that line!
I absolutely love the relationship between Bartlett and Charlie
Leo's cute smile on 1:14-1:15.
I was looking for someone to point this out!! He was so giddy!!
"please don't tell me you're going out with more than one guy" lol
charlie is the best. simply the best.
AndreA I agree, but as Burton Guster on Psych. West Wing is an absolute heap of garbage.
Yes he is..
0:52 "My daughter asked you out?" 0:54 "Yes, sir."0:55 "I should've locked her in the dungeon!" 0:56 "I don't think you've got one." 0:57 "I coulda built one."
That was a great story line. Would have loved to see them together forever.
in the west wing alternate universe Charlie and Zoey got married and had three children: Jed, Josh and Marta
Why marta
I like to believe that they are still together.
Same here
That is a big oof moment when Ron says, "The President wasn't the target"
Oh
1:15 is priceless xD
Things like Leo's goofy-ass grin are what made this show so damn great
Leo's grin at 1:15... priceless!
*Shut up*
I think it's interesting when Leo said "It's okay of you do." Neither he nor Jed believed that. But it lets Jed comfortably examine if there is even a tiny bit of racism in his feelings. And it lets him work on those feelings.
Some people are taught racism growing up and they don't even realize it. Giving them a chance to see it and work on removing it is a far better way than attacking and condemning them for it. When you attack, people automatically defend.
When you are supportive in this manner, you give them a chance to learn about themselves and grow. No, I don't believe Bartlett had the tiniest bit of racism inside him, but if he had, Leo gave the response that would have helped eliminate it if there had been.
It was well done. There are some questions that require more thought before it can be truthfully answered.
"I don't believe Bartlett had the tiniest bit of racism inside him."
He compared himself to Spencer Tracey at the end of "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner." That could be read to imply he had some level of unconscious racism in the past, but learned to overcome it; it would make sense given his background (born in the 1940s, grew up in the very white state of New Hampshire).
“You can go out with my daughter, but you’re going to have to get used to that red dot being on your forehead at all times.”
Leo is priceless in this scene!! :) :)
According to Dule, the kiss was the first take, and Miss Zoey really knew how to plant one.
And when Jed tells Leo, Leo's automatically like "YAYYY!!!"
His daughter was slightly older, and probably went through the same mess (from father’s view) while he was SecLabor. Misery loves company :-).
I love how they handled this storyline. But it pisses me off to see this kind of hatred.
It's horrible, but it's true. They would've got that sort of hate.
I live near Charlottesville Va. that sort of race hatred needs to be abandoned for good.
@@josephkempton6366 I recently read some article where some person said, "for the most part, legalized discrimination is not tolerated anymore, and now we are at the stage of changing hearts and minds, and that takes much longer"
Not sure why they would be mad that a half Hispanic girl goes out with a black dude? Zoe Estevez and Charlie. What's the problem?
As an Agnostic in high school, my first love was a full blown, gorgeous, Preachers kid! Parents didn’t like me either! Tried to break it off and she shoved me into a row of lockers and kissed me just like Zoey did to Charlie! Ahh Angela! First loves are awesome!
"shut up" HAHA love that part
I wish they would reshow this show in re-runs....Man do I miss it!!!
Nice edit, well done. This tells the first part of their story really well.
"l should have built a dungeon" words by an over protective father
"You know you don't have to stand up the whole time I'm in a room."
"I beg to differ as I was raised *right*."
HAHA.... they both looked so young in the beginning.
This was the exact episode where Leo became my favourite character.
Also “she’s 19 years old and the 82nd Airborne works for me” is a Top 5 lines in TV history moment.
For a second, even I thought Zoe was seeing another guy.
Just the way she said it, as if to make sure.
Lol
When I first heard this scene, I thought Jed said "You know what to do with the mayo, right?". It confused me until many years later I was able to see this on youtube and realize that it wasn't mayo, but mail.
1:15 is the funniest part
LOVE this show and loved that Sheen wanted Bartlet to share his own Catholicism. Kinda surprised that they allowed Bartlet to make the mistake of calling Revelation "Revelations". That's the exact sort of common mistake that Josiah Bartlet would have corrected in others.
I mean yeah but I don’t think they out that much thought into shirt filler dialogue
I still can't see him as anyone other than Gus, even if this show was around longer XD
Madison Lewe Correct, Burton Guster is simply the best. I wasn’t a fan of this idiotic show, so I never saw his serious side.
"The President wasn't the target."
No, the assassins are lousy shots.
2:55. You know what to do with the mail, right?
He knows as uncomfortable as his with his 19-year-old daughter dating... being seen with Charlie is going to draw a reaction.
For someone he's only know a few months at this point... he's as protective of him as he is of his daughters.
As demonstrated by his admission in the 2nd season about calling the FBI, ready to crash a hate group's clubhouse because they publicly tried to lynch Charlie at the end of season 1.
I am spencer Tracy on 'Guess who is Coming to dinner'. Classic Movie!
Charlie was cool , and low key bold asf , and slightly naive ....
I love that the West Wing handle this topic with grace and dignity and what's your screen name is that despite the fact that it's 2014 and we have an African American in the white House some people will still feel this way it's a damn shame
I bought the entire series online for a slight modest price of $150... pricy but wtf? I get West Wing all I want all the time. Perhaps you should consider such an investment.
hunterg24 I did. When the crap from the White House and the current occupant overwhelms me, I binge watch until I become calm.
hunterg24. I got my entire series for £11.99
Zoe was pretty hot back then.
Watching in 2019 cuz it’s better than what’s really going on in our political landscape 🤦♂️
"Shaddap!"
They'd make a cute couple
Zoe, when a young man stands when you enter, a room it's because he's a gentleman
You missed two scenes they first met in the episode Crackpots and Women and there was the bar scene in Mr Willis of Ohio
Elisabeth Moss was 17 when they shot the first season, correct?
yep
With me? No I'm talking to the pink elephant in the room.
RIP John Spencer!
Zoe, no one wants to hit that
I think all the children of any presidents of the united states should a have a support group. This is insanely true and I cant imagine living with that threat.
Just imagine the mail the Obamas got
I'm so stupid, I forgot Elisabeth Moss played this role!
@CNash85 so pricelesss!
Shoulda built a dungeon, though
I'm Spencer Tracy at the END of Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?
If they wanted to kill Charlie why not just do it where he lives, presumably without Secret Service protection?
The guys wanted to make a statement. As someone else pointed out in another comment section I read, a low-level White House aide being killed at home or in the streets would be forgotten about very quickly, but if he was killed while standing right beside the President, (and with the President possibly wounded/killed,) nobody would ever forget about it.
@@saintroddy @Dennis Mullen Also, white supremacists are not the brightest bulbs in the box.
@@fredocarrollthey are the whitest…
1:16 😂
A little detail about Zoe's storyline always bugged me... She's 19 years old when first introduced... and about to be a first year college student... Which should have put her at 17 or 18, depending on where in the calendar year her birthday falls... As smart as she is, I'm assuming she never got held back in school when she was younger... Maybe she was one of those kids that got to take a year off after high school to go backpacking through Europe or something before going to college, or maybe spent a year interning or doing volunteer work, but they never explained that.
Also, Sorkin wasn't always great with people's ages. I once did the math on Bartlet, and figured out that despite being a Nobel Prize winning economist, he could only have worked between 4 and 7 years in that field.
I think you are over-thinking the problem :-)
95% of American High School graduates are 18 at the time they walk down then aisle in June.
But don't forget that a BIG portion of them turn 19 sometime before Christmas their freshman year.
I don't know what time of the year this is, but, if she's actually in her freshman year sometime, she's far better odds of being 19 than 18, and the number who are 17 is tiny.
And being smart had little to do with when you graduated. There are a whole host of factors that can include having your parents start you later, to NOT deciding to skip due to social maturity issues, etc. Smart kids are pretty much exactly the same age as the average student at graduation.
Erik Trimble She was 17 when she started college because in season 2 episode 19 because she needed a parent to sign a health form because she was under 18. Unless she did the forms really early she was probable 17 or 18 in college
@@trims2u According to a line in an earlier episode when she was introduced, Zoey was already 19 years old and about to start her freshman year of college. They only way that would work is if maybe her parents started her in kindergarten a year late, which is a possibility as you pointed out.
I was thinking idly about how if Sidney Poitier had played the President, something Aaron Sorkin had considered, then that version of Zoey would have been black and perhaps if they had a version of Charlie he might have been a white guy. My fancasting was Meagan Good and Sam Huntington.
And we still call ourselves the advanced civilization...sad.
You're not making any sense whatsoever
@@jbfarley think about it. 21st century and you still get condemned for interracial relationship?
She’s 19 in season 1.
But she’s 17 in season 2.
Ohhhhh crap, lol!!!!!
Zoe it's only because Charlie mas manners
What do we do with the mail?
What does you better get your picture taken mean?
He means when they go out in public the paparazzi will be their constant companion
@@moimeself1088 oh yeah, duh. Thanks for reply, mate.
@@joecook5689 no problem 😊
It's a cliche but the writing and awareness is sharp as hell.
"I'm Spencer Tracey at the end of Guess Who. . ."
FYI: at the beginning of the flick Tracey was racist as hell about his daughter marrying Sidney Poitier.
No he wasn't. He was worried coz this was before marrying across races was legal across the country. He was genuinely worried that his daughter hadn't thought it through. She had just met him a few weeks ago and already agreed to his proposal.
He wants to go out with Zoey....shut up
what episode does zoe ask charlie out?
Elisabeth Moss looks really good when she was younger, not so much anymore.