thank you for the information sir. my NoGu is still a work in progress. still at advanced novice lol. so i am looking forward for more updates like this on your NoGu! Keep up the good work!
Just want to ask if what you can do about your extra Ancient Equipment that have random attribute you don't like? Can you sell it for comodo mats? Or just sell directly to npc? Or does they have another purpose? Thank you!
You can use the recycling to sell and gain 4 ancient equipment credits (you need 80 to claim one of your choice...those credits in case it is confusing). Don't sell to the NPC, you need to recycle via the furnace in Prontera and other cities.
For lower depo, I use truth with 24% attack. I don't have a good dreameater yet. Dreameater is good vs comodo legend, but if you have 20% depo, I don't think you'd be carrying, so I would just use truth. Truth puts a lot of raw attack, so if your attack depo isn't that high, it helps a lot too.
The people I talked with use 80% home dummy. Here is the dmg reduction for comodo legend: romhandbook.com/buffs/comodo-group-instance-hard . The dummy is romhandbook.com/dummy
I still haven't done anything related to ancient armor. Hell I barely unlocked/visited Comodo just recently. I hate the idea of all my current gear being invalidated so I kinda just lost interest in the game altogether TBH, but part of me wants to come back. I really don't want to have anything to do with ancient armor or accessories etc. Is it really objectively better than current gear or are there combos that outshine ancient gear? Like overlord crab bow + tyre's armor wouldn't be outdone by ancient pieces right?
Some are objectively better since they share exactly the same stats but AE just have more of it (+ refine transfer and enchant transfer). Yep some combos are not outdone by ae but for OCB and tyre's the difference is not that much if u get the perfect AE lines, switch to BotWC and it's way cheaper to get +15. Personally love this as veterans can try other jobs easier and won't destroy their main class funds while keeping newer players have a faster rate to get gears. I've built my first dps class for weeklies after 3 years in ROM with ease before I didn't want to waste zeny and just focus on my support class since I can get carried on weeklies anyways. MVP cards, enchants, hb, runes will separate veterans to newbies so it's not like new players can outshine older players instantly
AE does make some stuff obsolete, but I agree with Haven, it is a great way to try out new classes. AE made my NoGu much stronger, so I could more easily carry weekly instances, which I couldn't before. Previously, I'd need +15 vinkts, +15 greedshirt, and maybe a mastering star card to achieve that type of damage that AE provides.
@@bonelessthincrust It depends on what kind of character you'd like. Honestly, for zeny to damage value, Lightbringer is great if you like DPS. Even the old combo of Shinewhole’s Robe + Rosa Chain is quite strong. My F2P Lightbringer uses that combo since I've been unlucky with Ancient Equipment there. +12 rosa is also a lot easier to buy these days. Lightbringer nuke is really good and allows you to boss hunt, so you can earn some income there. Farming with LB isn't too bad either.
This test goes to show that different accounts yield different results. The best armor in terms of damage for me is voodoo 15% pen, in all dummy % except 90 and 100.
Yes, there's going to be variance. But at least it gives people a rough idea. I think only legend dreameater is the most consistent, since most people lack wind damage. Legend isles and comodo has a ton of wind dmg reduction.
Sorry for PvP, I play it casually, so I don't know which one is better. It's probably best to ask in the ROM community discord or reddit. I'd imagine it's tricky, because some people may wear the reduced medium dmg gear or have certain reductions that would make pdi vs medium dmg very dependant on who you're hitting.
The best way to see which one is better is to damage test on your training dummy. 50% for MVP and 90% for legend level stuff like TTL or comodo museum. I'd imagine voodoo pen 10% would probably be better, but it depends on your character's stats.
I prefer dreameater since I do legend runs now. The extra wind damage is most beneficial, since there is very high elemental damage reductions. People aim for 50% elemental damage.
@@WobblyWallaby thank you for the info. Btw can I ask which modifier give highest dmg? I mean if I have to choose between equip with phys dmg, pen, skill dmg, or wind dmg, which one would be better? Or better to balance it?
This week I got truth expositor with 13% so I compared to my dreamweaver 13%. On dummy 0% truth won. 90% dreamweaver won. On dragon skeleton and comodo legends dreamweaver won.
Truth expositor adds a lot of raw attack, so the atk % in combination with raw attack makes it really great. I think adding attack % alone isn't going to be too amazing, especially if your raw attack isn't too high. For example, I use the vagabond star card, which adds a lot of atk%, but I still lose to people who have high raw attack with the less optimal chunky tree star card. Back in the day, Shinewhole’s Robe, was used a lot by LBs because the raw attack it gave was very significant. It would beat out armors with atk % because the raw attack contributed to so much damage.
I am at around 21% depo. Personally, I use truth expositor with 24% attack and so far that's the best one I was able to get. I also pair it with the vagabond star card so the raw attack helps me.
I don't see people use greedshirt anymore. I also see many on the exchange now, which used to be hard to snap. I personally believe these new armors beat it, otherwise people who had 15 greedshirts before wouldn't have abandoned them
I have a rune master, but no 20% elemental dream eater. How is MDB rune master? Is it really strong these days? I hadn't seen people use it in a long time. There was a popular youtuber who did crazy damage back in the day, but I don't know others who use it.
@@WobblyWallaby It is still quite strong for woe/woc purposes especially with the new star rune. Sadly RMs are generally either super weak or super strong based on their handbooks alone.
@@havencabuso7958 I agree, the handbook makes a big difference. I haven't tried RM much in WOE/WOC. I recently played around with Agi crit RM and my damage is very low. My handbook is too low, but it was still fun to mess around with it.
I'd have to ask around for divine avenger. I don't know many who main that class. It's probably best to ask the community discord channel to get a faster answer.
@@WobblyWallaby I have contents about dreameater on my channel for divine avengers too. You guys can check it. I am also the first person to make a content about dreameater after the AEs got released.
There is no effect if you have 3rd line. You may notice NoGU use white Duke manteau (which has ignore defence), but that is only for the skill damage. NoGu don't need the ignore defence. Same with any ancient equipment that gives ignore defence, it isn't needed.
thank you for the information sir. my NoGu is still a work in progress. still at advanced novice lol. so i am looking forward for more updates like this on your NoGu! Keep up the good work!
Awesome content!
Just notice this video, thanks WW
Interesting updates. Cant seem to catch a break still with even the right random stats to begin with but it’s something to keep shooting for. Thanks!
Very helpful keep it up.
Ótimo vídeo, muito bem explicado. Tenho um nogu, faz mais vídeos dos demais equipamentos da classe. Obrigado!!
thank you for this information... and thank you too for mr. tokwan... will u make comparation between garment shoes and acc for nogu too?
Yes, once people get the new gear, I'll ask them for help. So far, my luck hasn't been good :(
Very good
Just want to ask if what you can do about your extra Ancient Equipment that have random attribute you don't like? Can you sell it for comodo mats? Or just sell directly to npc? Or does they have another purpose? Thank you!
You can use the recycling to sell and gain 4 ancient equipment credits (you need 80 to claim one of your choice...those credits in case it is confusing). Don't sell to the NPC, you need to recycle via the furnace in Prontera and other cities.
@@WobblyWallaby thank you! That's relief and a very big help.
Wobbly what should i choose wkh or norma for headgear cos i want to change my abscry? In term i dont hv bashful (Doram)
I would choose Norma for boss hunting since move speed is good. But WKH is better for PvE, assuming the refine is high (close to 10).
sir, so for depo 20% -- better use truth? then dreameater?
For lower depo, I use truth with 24% attack. I don't have a good dreameater yet. Dreameater is good vs comodo legend, but if you have 20% depo, I don't think you'd be carrying, so I would just use truth. Truth puts a lot of raw attack, so if your attack depo isn't that high, it helps a lot too.
Can u share 0-80% dummy tabel reduction? Or which one nearly comodo legend?
The people I talked with use 80% home dummy. Here is the dmg reduction for comodo legend: romhandbook.com/buffs/comodo-group-instance-hard . The dummy is romhandbook.com/dummy
I still haven't done anything related to ancient armor. Hell I barely unlocked/visited Comodo just recently. I hate the idea of all my current gear being invalidated so I kinda just lost interest in the game altogether TBH, but part of me wants to come back. I really don't want to have anything to do with ancient armor or accessories etc. Is it really objectively better than current gear or are there combos that outshine ancient gear? Like overlord crab bow + tyre's armor wouldn't be outdone by ancient pieces right?
Some are objectively better since they share exactly the same stats but AE just have more of it (+ refine transfer and enchant transfer). Yep some combos are not outdone by ae but for OCB and tyre's the difference is not that much if u get the perfect AE lines, switch to BotWC and it's way cheaper to get +15. Personally love this as veterans can try other jobs easier and won't destroy their main class funds while keeping newer players have a faster rate to get gears. I've built my first dps class for weeklies after 3 years in ROM with ease before I didn't want to waste zeny and just focus on my support class since I can get carried on weeklies anyways. MVP cards, enchants, hb, runes will separate veterans to newbies so it's not like new players can outshine older players instantly
AE does make some stuff obsolete, but I agree with Haven, it is a great way to try out new classes. AE made my NoGu much stronger, so I could more easily carry weekly instances, which I couldn't before. Previously, I'd need +15 vinkts, +15 greedshirt, and maybe a mastering star card to achieve that type of damage that AE provides.
@@WobblyWallaby What classes/builds would you say benefit more from non-ancient gears? I'd honestly consider switching my main for it.
@@bonelessthincrust It depends on what kind of character you'd like. Honestly, for zeny to damage value, Lightbringer is great if you like DPS. Even the old combo of Shinewhole’s Robe + Rosa Chain is quite strong. My F2P Lightbringer uses that combo since I've been unlucky with Ancient Equipment there. +12 rosa is also a lot easier to buy these days. Lightbringer nuke is really good and allows you to boss hunt, so you can earn some income there. Farming with LB isn't too bad either.
This test goes to show that different accounts yield different results. The best armor in terms of damage for me is voodoo 15% pen, in all dummy % except 90 and 100.
I'm at 30% depo btw
Yes, there's going to be variance. But at least it gives people a rough idea. I think only legend dreameater is the most consistent, since most people lack wind damage. Legend isles and comodo has a ton of wind dmg reduction.
Wow nice information..next about offhand bro
Sir how about low deposit nogu..im just f2p and just swtch to nogu recently..what armor you can suggest?still dream eater?
I have lowish depo too (20). Personally I think truth expositor is the best because it adds raw attack. It is like your handbook just went up a ton.
How about for pvp which is better random attribute 15% pdi or 20% medium damge
Sorry for PvP, I play it casually, so I don't know which one is better. It's probably best to ask in the ROM community discord or reddit. I'd imagine it's tricky, because some people may wear the reduced medium dmg gear or have certain reductions that would make pdi vs medium dmg very dependant on who you're hitting.
Hi how did you inlay a card in a armor like that because I can't inlay any card in that armor
In Comodo there is a stove that you can take comodo drops from farming and convert to these orange dusts. You need 5 to socket the armor.
What is his dmg to large %? Since dummy setting is large
I asked tokwan, and he has 2 mino cards, so 50% dmg to large.
i only have dreameater 13% elemetn dmg, compare my current vodoo pen 10, which u think is good?
The best way to see which one is better is to damage test on your training dummy. 50% for MVP and 90% for legend level stuff like TTL or comodo museum. I'd imagine voodoo pen 10% would probably be better, but it depends on your character's stats.
So that means dreameater or voodoo is the best weeklies, right? Since mvp on ttl/cmd/Lil would be at 80-90% dummy.
I prefer dreameater since I do legend runs now. The extra wind damage is most beneficial, since there is very high elemental damage reductions. People aim for 50% elemental damage.
@@WobblyWallaby thank you for the info. Btw can I ask which modifier give highest dmg? I mean if I have to choose between equip with phys dmg, pen, skill dmg, or wind dmg, which one would be better? Or better to balance it?
@@WobblyWallabyhow about for lib and cmb which armor is better at early game?
Is there a test for this in PVP?
Like a Dragonscale armor with 20% damage to medium?
I didn't ask for PvP, I can ask around for a future video. I would imagine 20% damage to medium would be really good.
The only one he didn’t test was the truth expositor with 20% large damage.
Yeah, that's one that he unfortunately did not have. But I heard that is potentially the best.
He can test it if he gets truth expositor with no atk random attribute. Then just play with cards and stuff to get the 20% on large
This week I got truth expositor with 13% so I compared to my dreamweaver 13%. On dummy 0% truth won. 90% dreamweaver won. On dragon skeleton and comodo legends dreamweaver won.
how about the gladiator armor with 24% atk +16% atk more if +15
Truth expositor adds a lot of raw attack, so the atk % in combination with raw attack makes it really great. I think adding attack % alone isn't going to be too amazing, especially if your raw attack isn't too high. For example, I use the vagabond star card, which adds a lot of atk%, but I still lose to people who have high raw attack with the less optimal chunky tree star card. Back in the day, Shinewhole’s Robe, was used a lot by LBs because the raw attack it gave was very significant. It would beat out armors with atk % because the raw attack contributed to so much damage.
how about on low depo? should us, low depo players, use other armor? which is recommanded?
I am at around 21% depo. Personally, I use truth expositor with 24% attack and so far that's the best one I was able to get. I also pair it with the vagabond star card so the raw attack helps me.
@@WobblyWallabytruth expositor vs dragon scale which one is better? Im currently playing at the port server i dont know what I should get
How do these compare with a +15 greed shirt?
I don't see people use greedshirt anymore. I also see many on the exchange now, which used to be hard to snap. I personally believe these new armors beat it, otherwise people who had 15 greedshirts before wouldn't have abandoned them
Can you do a test like this for MDB rune master ? I'm curious for dreameater results
I have a rune master, but no 20% elemental dream eater. How is MDB rune master? Is it really strong these days? I hadn't seen people use it in a long time. There was a popular youtuber who did crazy damage back in the day, but I don't know others who use it.
@@WobblyWallaby It is still quite strong for woe/woc purposes especially with the new star rune. Sadly RMs are generally either super weak or super strong based on their handbooks alone.
@@WobblyWallaby new star rune helped with GVG, but for PVE still weaker than others
@@havencabuso7958 I agree, the handbook makes a big difference. I haven't tried RM much in WOE/WOC. I recently played around with Agi crit RM and my damage is very low. My handbook is too low, but it was still fun to mess around with it.
where to get that +15 celebration gift pack?
I think we got it at the beginning of this year as celebration gift. They will probably give one away next year too.
@@WobblyWallaby I see. Thanks. I`m a returnee so I`m currently checking new meta builds for NoGu.
@@yamskie04 cool welcome back, NoGu is a lot of fun
@@WobblyWallaby Yessir. I was a NoGu before I quit :)
Which is better dragon shield or the banner?
Dragonshield is better. Almost every NoGu I know uses that with 18% PDI random attribute.
@@WobblyWallaby tnx bro! Hoping that we would get the max RAs on future AEs. Still aiming for deater20elem.
How about LB/begeter and saint
any updated farming for SH?
End game SH or F2P starting from scratch SH?
What is the max random stat for dreameater disguise?
20% elemental damage
@@WobblyWallaby thx
where cabmn I find cursed armor
You can do museum brave or legend and claim it with the tokens they give you
I got lucky and have DS armor 15% dmg
Hmm i never know dragon scale armor better than hororbone armor
Can you do this for ed/caho divine avenger? Like and already sub. Lol
I'd have to ask around for divine avenger. I don't know many who main that class. It's probably best to ask the community discord channel to get a faster answer.
@@WobblyWallaby I have contents about dreameater on my channel for divine avengers too. You guys can check it. I am also the first person to make a content about dreameater after the AEs got released.
Discord link please
The ROM community unofficial discord channel is: discord.gg/NEccsCX or discord.gg/ragnarokm
your voice have resembleance to "EON TALK " Movie review..lol
Heh, I just heard him. I think based on tones it is similar, but I don't think I have a strong Asian accent.
The left one useless to me.
ignore def still have effect? even rutless 3rd line active.?
There is no effect if you have 3rd line. You may notice NoGU use white Duke manteau (which has ignore defence), but that is only for the skill damage. NoGu don't need the ignore defence. Same with any ancient equipment that gives ignore defence, it isn't needed.