I picked up the 2P a few months ago but due to weather and the holidays I have not been able to take it camping. I have set it up in my back yard a few times, including two days ago to test it with a snowfall. There is a learning curve when it comes to setting it up, that's for sure. However, once you have it dialed in, it takes no time at all. Here are a few of the tweaks I've made to mine to fit my style. I replaced the cord loops on the footprint with shock cord. I found when you stake the guy outs (both fly and body) they end up being too far for the footprint loops to reach them. This would inhibit set up during the rain (fly first) or in a minimalist set up. I replaced the body corner loops with 28 inches of yellow guy out line sold by Paria. Again, the loops proved to be too short and if I was doing a set up in the rain (fly first, then floor, finally body) I would have to remove the fly guy out line to fit the body's loop over the stake. With the straight guy out I will use a bowline loop/slippery half hitch to secure the cord. This will also allow me to adjust the body without having to relocate the stake. The stock guy line doesn't work will with the cord locks on the tent until there is a little wear on the cord and it creates some resistance. Until that happens, you will have to use a slippery half hitch at the cord locks to avoid slippage under tension. I replaced the two apex and side guy out lines with 9 foot ones, the ones on my tent were too short. Again, using the bowline/trucker's hitch/slippery half hitch to secure them to a stake. Lastly, the mesh body was sagging in the middle due to lack of tension. This could be just a 2P issue..or maybe just me. I replaced the shock cord holding the attachment hooks with the guy out line and cord locks from the side points. Now I can snug up the mesh to fit the set up or as dictated by the terrain. It did not fair well in the snow compared to the Bryce 1P, the snow build up created a lot of sag in the middle. The Bryce, however, was fantastic with only some build up on the door. Check out the needle stakes sold by Paria. Lighter than the stock stakes and work very well in hard soil. With all of this said, I believe it will be my go-to tent on most trips for 2021 and I look forward to using it on the trail as soon as I can.
I got the 2P tent as well and made several of the same tweaks to help with setup. Great minds think alike :) Here is a video detailing what all I did: th-cam.com/video/2tGrzuwaSio/w-d-xo.html
I used alot of highly named products in the past and had still quality issues. Using Paria Mesh Tent and Paria Tarp for 2 years now. Like the simplicity of it. The quality is very good, especially for the price. hey make awsome gear. I'm getting away from high price gear more and more.
Wish manufacturers would put a T-Zip setup on the doors so you can open up the inner fully. Also around 12-18" of solid perimeter fabric around bottom to stop draughts when laying down.
I'm a similar height (you're 5,10", IIRC?), & I'm someone for whom fabric in my face definitely triggers the coffin-panic, but I love that this 1p tent allows enough spare room that I could choose to lie diagonally, + still have _so much space_ for my gear! The tent has miles, + just look at the volume of those vestibules! Gosh. I'll take 10. 😍😍😍
I have the 2P version. I'm 6'5", have a 4" thick insulated pad and trekology pillow. I'm still able to get 4-5 inches of clearance on the head and foot end if I'm in the center and do a good job of pulling the side guy-outs up and away. It's a little tighter if I'm over on one side because I'm sharing the 2P. The 1P is the same overall length and design, so I image the space you have in the center is similar, which is plenty compared to almost any other lightweight tent. Love that the floor is rectangular and doesn't taper which leaves more room.
It's a good tent for 145. Lay out the ground sheet, tent, and rainfly together. Zip up the zippers, and leave the guy lines. Use bowline and friction hitch knots if necessary.
Hello my friend, I have the Lanshan 2. They are very similar. I definitely would be ok with that tent. I have 3 Paria Products the Recharge Air Pad, The 15 degree quilt, and the Guy Line Adjusters. I like all 3. Take Care and Keep Exploring The Outdoors.
I don't know. It's pretty heavy, even when compared to something like the Lanshan 1 person. You could use some patience and while you wait for the next batch to drop, save the extra $50.00 and get a Durston X-Mid 1 person from Drop. Still double doors, lighter, more liveable space and an easier set up.
I emailed them and they said the won’t be selling the tent or any outdoor equipment. I hate it because I rlly wld love to get that tent. I’m trying to decide on this one.
Hey Devon great to see you again. Hope you had a great Christmas and just wanted to wish you a very Happy New year and may 2021 bring you much success, joy and happiness. Stay safe and catch up again real soon bro.
I like that its actually roomy for a 1p. Seems heavy for what it is though. A 2p BA Copper Spur is the same weight (without ground sheet). The BA Copper Spur 1p is 2lbs 6oz all in with stakes and stuff sacks.Add a ground sheet if you want for a total of 2lbs 10oz. It’s almost as roomy at 38” wide at the head and 28” wide at the feet. Only one door though if that’s important for you.
Learning the skills to use a non-freestnding tent is simply a skill toward reducing pack weight. Freestanding tents are heavier and actually don't handle wind loading as well because they lack the downward sidewall tension inherent in non-freestandiing designs. Having had a Lanshan 2 tent myself and using it solo I had to lay in it diagonally as I am 6'2" tall. I would have to lay diagonal in Arches 1P also. That was a perfectly fine trade off for me until I decided to spend $300+ on an lighter 1P tent that fit my height. However the Lansan 2 is probably 6" wider than it needs to be for 1 tall person laying diagonal as there's so much extra floor space which adds weight. This 1P tent solves that problem in an equally affordable package weighing a few ounces less. Similarly at 53" wide the Arches 2P would actually fit 2 humans under 6' tall. The Arches series is basically a copy of the Lanshan2 which was just a copy of other tents itself. The one person version is 7 inches narrower The two-person version is 10 in wider. It's clear that Paria was paying attention to what was "wrong" with the Lanshan2
Good points. I am 6ft2 too but would have thought that the floor being 90inches long would be enough without having to sleep diagonally - not that it is an issue at. It is all about how you use the internal space to your benefits. Cheers
Hi, being 6ft3 I often struggle to find a tent which I can use without feeling claustrophobic inside. Do you think the 1P would be a tight fit ? Many thanks
I am including everything that comes in the package. Foot print, stakes, tent, all of it. I find "trail weight" to be incredibly misleading and not practical.
I have been waiting for someone to do this video since this tent came out. Thanks! It looks like the fly might be the same on the 1 person as the 2 person. They just change the inner. Do think this is true?
Looks like a decent tent... My One Tigris Tangram 2 person is just slightly longer (I think) and tons of room inside and bot vestibules for gear... I wonder if that one will work with a ridge line like the Tangram will?? I do so want to try the Paria 15° quilt!
Hi Devin, thanks for this first look - I haven't been this interested in a budget piece of gear in a while. In your opinion, would this tent make a good "stuff directly into a bike-packing seatbag" tent? I imagine outside of the included stuff sack that this tent like most other silnylon options would pack down smaller than a grapefruit... It appears that with the suggested peak heights, my 121cm (48") straight carbon tent poles used currently with a ZPacks Duplex would work well with the Arches tent. Unfortunately as you probably know, DCF is not the most packable material. I don't like the idea of cramming the Duplex into the tight spaces of a Revelate Designs seatbag... As bikepacking bags place the value of packability over weight. Seems like this would be a good solution paired with the poles mentioned above stored folded down elsewhere on the bike. Just some thoughts. I know you're not a bikepacking person so you might not even have an idea of what I'm referring to, but I am interested in seeing how well it packs down into an extremely limited space.
About how tall of a person could use this? It seems like you're towards the upper limit to not have your feet touching the tent body and potentially getting your quilt/bag wet.
I recently watched a video where I'm pretty sure Devin either said he's 5,9" or 5,10". This one is at least wide enough that lying diagonally should net you at least _a couple_ of extra inches. Of course, that won't make a difference if you're 6ft+.
@@Wayaha13 oh, my friend, you poor thing; the thing which is such a positive trait the rest of the time must make compact tent shopping a _nightmare_ . :'-( _I_ have a hard enough time just being 5,9" + claustrophobic, I can't imagine how much more difficult it must be for you! Good luck with the search, I hope you find the shelter of your dreams very soon. ❤
If you are going to show an "out of the box setup", SHOW THE FULL SETUP! If it's hard to figure out, that's the point! Show it! Looks like a sponsored video where you don't want to piss off the sponsor.
Totally understand your point. You gotta understand that the filming and editing process is something to take into consideration with how long you want a video to be. Trust me, when I make a follow up video I will discuss that in more detail. Paria has already been given feedback from me on the lack of instructions for set up. And this is not a sponsored video.
When you lay down in a tent to show how much head & foot room you have, you really should tell your audience how tall you are for context. Other than that, good first look.
We heard Chinses copying American tents, now it seems it's the other way round , the length of that tent your showing is to short, I would rather have the Chinese versions.
Double the weight of the Durston X Mid for the same price. Appreciate the X Mid uses its space as vestabules but the Durston X Mid seems a better option really. What are your thoughts on how they compare?
@@scepticrat they won’t be selling the xmid anymore. I sent an email and that’s what I was told. They will not be making anymore outdoor equipment. I sure hate it cause I wanted one.😤
Really bad tent. First of all there are gaps that will help you to free to death. Second of all, it is very complicated to built it up and it is taking a lot of time. No functional at all. Sorry I disagreed with you
Teaching moment here! All tents need some level of airflow in order to prevent terrible condensation from your body heat and breath from building up inside the tent while you sleep. The main purpose of a tent is to provide you shelter from inclement weather or precipitation. In order to not freeze, that is where your personal research and experience comes in to play to build to perfect sleep system for YOU. This includes figuring out the proper sleeping garment layers, properly rated sleeping pad(s), and properly rated quilt or sleeping bag to the climate and weather conditions you will be going out in. This includes seasonal extras like warmer hats or adding down booties to your comfort sleep kit. This is why campers and backpackers have SO MUCH GEAR. So we can swap out as our adventure weather conditions change. If the low is 50 degrees, my sleeping gear would look incredibly different than when the nightly low is in the 20's. The tent would be the same in those conditions, but all my other gear would be different. Every adventure out teaches you something about yourself and your gear needs... Hope this helps!
This doesn't make any sense. Tents aren't meant to keep you from freezing... That's what you have a sleeping bag/quilt and clothes for. People tarp in the winter, that obviously leaves you more exposed than a tent.
I picked up the 2P a few months ago but due to weather and the holidays I have not been able to take it camping. I have set it up in my back yard a few times, including two days ago to test it with a snowfall. There is a learning curve when it comes to setting it up, that's for sure. However, once you have it dialed in, it takes no time at all. Here are a few of the tweaks I've made to mine to fit my style. I replaced the cord loops on the footprint with shock cord. I found when you stake the guy outs (both fly and body) they end up being too far for the footprint loops to reach them. This would inhibit set up during the rain (fly first) or in a minimalist set up. I replaced the body corner loops with 28 inches of yellow guy out line sold by Paria. Again, the loops proved to be too short and if I was doing a set up in the rain (fly first, then floor, finally body) I would have to remove the fly guy out line to fit the body's loop over the stake. With the straight guy out I will use a bowline loop/slippery half hitch to secure the cord. This will also allow me to adjust the body without having to relocate the stake. The stock guy line doesn't work will with the cord locks on the tent until there is a little wear on the cord and it creates some resistance. Until that happens, you will have to use a slippery half hitch at the cord locks to avoid slippage under tension. I replaced the two apex and side guy out lines with 9 foot ones, the ones on my tent were too short. Again, using the bowline/trucker's hitch/slippery half hitch to secure them to a stake. Lastly, the mesh body was sagging in the middle due to lack of tension. This could be just a 2P issue..or maybe just me. I replaced the shock cord holding the attachment hooks with the guy out line and cord locks from the side points. Now I can snug up the mesh to fit the set up or as dictated by the terrain.
It did not fair well in the snow compared to the Bryce 1P, the snow build up created a lot of sag in the middle. The Bryce, however, was fantastic with only some build up on the door.
Check out the needle stakes sold by Paria. Lighter than the stock stakes and work very well in hard soil.
With all of this said, I believe it will be my go-to tent on most trips for 2021 and I look forward to using it on the trail as soon as I can.
Thanks for the pointers
I got the 2P tent as well and made several of the same tweaks to help with setup. Great minds think alike :) Here is a video detailing what all I did: th-cam.com/video/2tGrzuwaSio/w-d-xo.html
I have the Bryce 1P and 2P from Paria and couldn’t be happier it’s their products and fantastic customer service.
I used alot of highly named products in the past and had still quality issues. Using Paria Mesh Tent and Paria Tarp for 2 years now. Like the simplicity of it. The quality is very good, especially for the price. hey make awsome gear. I'm getting away from high price gear more and more.
I just bought the arches 2 today, and I'm super stoked to get it and set it up.
Found my new tent for the PCT 2022 . Thanks for the video.
This came at an interesting time as I was about to pull the trigger on my first lightweight 1P trekking pole tent next week. 🤔
Wish manufacturers would put a T-Zip setup on the doors so you can open up the inner fully. Also around 12-18" of solid perimeter fabric around bottom to stop draughts when laying down.
Hey guy, thanks for taking the time to do the video. I used a Eureka tent for my AT hike, verysimilar, 99.00,
I'm a similar height (you're 5,10", IIRC?), & I'm someone for whom fabric in my face definitely triggers the coffin-panic, but I love that this 1p tent allows enough spare room that I could choose to lie diagonally, + still have _so much space_ for my gear! The tent has miles, + just look at the volume of those vestibules! Gosh. I'll take 10. 😍😍😍
I picked up the arches 2 befor Christmas and love it
Good unboxing. As im sure others say, will be interesting to see how does down road
What’s your long term thoughts not sure if you made another video on this one yet
Asymmetric doors on a tent ALL the time EVERY time. Heck yes.
Ah yeah!
Why? I see these comments but i don’t know what that matters. Please explain :)
It will be interesting to see the true head and foot room once you add a sleeping pad.
I have the 2P version. I'm 6'5", have a 4" thick insulated pad and trekology pillow. I'm still able to get 4-5 inches of clearance on the head and foot end if I'm in the center and do a good job of pulling the side guy-outs up and away. It's a little tighter if I'm over on one side because I'm sharing the 2P. The 1P is the same overall length and design, so I image the space you have in the center is similar, which is plenty compared to almost any other lightweight tent. Love that the floor is rectangular and doesn't taper which leaves more room.
@@patrickvandeventer6165 Thanks, I was wondering how kind this tent is to tall guys. Cheers
It's a good tent for 145. Lay out the ground sheet, tent, and rainfly together. Zip up the zippers, and leave the guy lines. Use bowline and friction hitch knots if necessary.
Hello my friend, I have the Lanshan 2. They are very similar. I definitely would be ok with that tent. I have 3 Paria Products the Recharge Air Pad, The 15 degree quilt, and the Guy Line Adjusters. I like all 3. Take Care and Keep Exploring The Outdoors.
I don't know. It's pretty heavy, even when compared to something like the Lanshan 1 person. You could use some patience and while you wait for the next batch to drop, save the extra $50.00 and get a Durston X-Mid 1 person from Drop. Still double doors, lighter, more liveable space and an easier set up.
I emailed them and they said the won’t be selling the tent or any outdoor equipment. I hate it because I rlly wld love to get that tent. I’m trying to decide on this one.
look forward to the review in future
It's like the Lanshan 1 and the 2 had a baby......
Great minds think alike. I was going to say it looks like a Lanshan 1.5.
Looks exactly like my Lanshan 2. Curious if its the same tent just imported. Wonder if the width is the same and the LS2
great review. Do you mind sharing the microphone you use?
Hey Devon great to see you again. Hope you had a great Christmas and just wanted to wish you a very Happy New year and may 2021 bring you much success, joy and happiness. Stay safe and catch up again real soon bro.
Interested to find out about the waterproof capabilities as I live in Oregon and it rains A LOT.. great vids thanks!
I like that its actually roomy for a 1p. Seems heavy for what it is though. A 2p BA Copper Spur is the same weight (without ground sheet). The BA Copper Spur 1p is 2lbs 6oz all in with stakes and stuff sacks.Add a ground sheet if you want for a total of 2lbs 10oz. It’s almost as roomy at 38” wide at the head and 28” wide at the feet. Only one door though if that’s important for you.
Price, though.
@@lauraslade9588 good point. Big Agnes tents are expensive.
What is the trail weight for this tent without the ground sheet, and with lighter stakes?
You beat me to it.....I have one on order !!! The 1 person.Doors on each side !!
Paria gear rocks for the price! Good first look.
Nice! Yes, Paria gear is priced well and value is there too.
@@BackcountryExposure For sure! I have had their Sanctuary sill tarp for a few years now. Still going strong , has yet to let me down .
I was on the fence about a new tent to buy. Freestanding versus trekking pole. You may have just swayed me in this direction versus the Lanshan 1.
Hmmm, according to the website, the 1P version comes with the weight of 2 lbs 6 oz. So is it actually over 3 lbs?
Yes. The 2lbs 6oz doesn’t include footprint or stakes
How is this tent with rain conditions?
Where did you film this?
Was getting ready to get a Lanshan 2, but I'm thinking I might swing this way as I mostly hammock camp (but need a ground option at times in Colorado)
badass tent im gonma move to this format ty
Learning the skills to use a non-freestnding tent is simply a skill toward reducing pack weight. Freestanding tents are heavier and actually don't handle wind loading as well because they lack the downward sidewall tension inherent in non-freestandiing designs. Having had a Lanshan 2 tent myself and using it solo I had to lay in it diagonally as I am 6'2" tall. I would have to lay diagonal in Arches 1P also. That was a perfectly fine trade off for me until I decided to spend $300+ on an lighter 1P tent that fit my height. However the Lansan 2 is probably 6" wider than it needs to be for 1 tall person laying diagonal as there's so much extra floor space which adds weight. This 1P tent solves that problem in an equally affordable package weighing a few ounces less. Similarly at 53" wide the Arches 2P would actually fit 2 humans under 6' tall. The Arches series is basically a copy of the Lanshan2 which was just a copy of other tents itself. The one person version is 7 inches narrower The two-person version is 10 in wider. It's clear that Paria was paying attention to what was "wrong" with the Lanshan2
Good points. I am 6ft2 too but would have thought that the floor being 90inches long would be enough without having to sleep diagonally - not that it is an issue at. It is all about how you use the internal space to your benefits. Cheers
Hi, being 6ft3 I often struggle to find a tent which I can use without feeling claustrophobic inside. Do you think the 1P would be a tight fit ? Many thanks
Question: there website says trail weight is 2 lbs 6 oz. Is this an older model? Or are you including steaks in the weight?
I am including everything that comes in the package. Foot print, stakes, tent, all of it. I find "trail weight" to be incredibly misleading and not practical.
@@BackcountryExposure ahh I see, thanks for clearing it up!
Good.
I have been waiting for someone to do this video since this tent came out. Thanks! It looks like the fly might be the same on the 1 person as the 2 person. They just change the inner. Do think this is true?
No, the fly would be bigger/wider on the 2 person.
Looks like a decent tent... My One Tigris Tangram 2 person is just slightly longer (I think) and tons of room inside and bot vestibules for gear... I wonder if that one will work with a ridge line like the Tangram will?? I do so want to try the Paria 15° quilt!
I have that quilt and love it! Packs small,but lofts big!
Hi Devin, thanks for this first look - I haven't been this interested in a budget piece of gear in a while. In your opinion, would this tent make a good "stuff directly into a bike-packing seatbag" tent? I imagine outside of the included stuff sack that this tent like most other silnylon options would pack down smaller than a grapefruit...
It appears that with the suggested peak heights, my 121cm (48") straight carbon tent poles used currently with a ZPacks Duplex would work well with the Arches tent. Unfortunately as you probably know, DCF is not the most packable material. I don't like the idea of cramming the Duplex into the tight spaces of a Revelate Designs seatbag...
As bikepacking bags place the value of packability over weight. Seems like this would be a good solution paired with the poles mentioned above stored folded down elsewhere on the bike. Just some thoughts. I know you're not a bikepacking person so you might not even have an idea of what I'm referring to, but I am interested in seeing how well it packs down into an extremely limited space.
About how tall of a person could use this? It seems like you're towards the upper limit to not have your feet touching the tent body and potentially getting your quilt/bag wet.
I recently watched a video where I'm pretty sure Devin either said he's 5,9" or 5,10". This one is at least wide enough that lying diagonally should net you at least _a couple_ of extra inches.
Of course, that won't make a difference if you're 6ft+.
@@mysterylovescompany2657 Thanks! I'm 6'3" so most tents of this style are no good for me but I'm always looking at them
@@Wayaha13 oh, my friend, you poor thing; the thing which is such a positive trait the rest of the time must make compact tent shopping a _nightmare_ . :'-( _I_ have a hard enough time just being 5,9" + claustrophobic, I can't imagine how much more difficult it must be for you! Good luck with the search, I hope you find the shelter of your dreams very soon. ❤
@@mysterylovescompany2657 It's ok, you just have to keep an eye out for unusual designs. I usually use a hammock anyway
@@Wayaha13 Lanshan 2 pro is better
looks alot like the Lanshan 2 and similar space
If you are going to show an "out of the box setup", SHOW THE FULL SETUP! If it's hard to figure out, that's the point! Show it! Looks like a sponsored video where you don't want to piss off the sponsor.
Totally understand your point. You gotta understand that the filming and editing process is something to take into consideration with how long you want a video to be. Trust me, when I make a follow up video I will discuss that in more detail. Paria has already been given feedback from me on the lack of instructions for set up. And this is not a sponsored video.
When you lay down in a tent to show how much head & foot room you have, you really should tell your audience how tall you are for context. Other than that, good first look.
We heard Chinses copying American tents, now it seems it's the other way round , the length of that tent your showing is to short, I would rather have the Chinese versions.
Double the weight of the Durston X Mid for the same price. Appreciate the X Mid uses its space as vestabules but the Durston X Mid seems a better option really. What are your thoughts on how they compare?
The Arches is $139.99, which is nearly $100 less than the X-Mid ($220). I'm really interested in the X-Mid, but they're not the same price.
@@scepticrat they won’t be selling the xmid anymore. I sent an email and that’s what I was told. They will not be making anymore outdoor equipment. I sure hate it cause I wanted one.😤
The Durston is $100 more and doesn't include the ground sheet
wait.... THREE POUNDS, for a trekking pole tent????!!!! what the heck, that is WAY TOO HEAVY for that type of shelter!!!! seriously.
That includes the ground sheet and the rather heavy stakes.
They claim it's 2 lb 6 oz without stakes or ground sheet. Six lightweight stakes are 2 oz.
Really bad tent. First of all there are gaps that will help you to free to death. Second of all, it is very complicated to built it up and it is taking a lot of time. No functional at all. Sorry I disagreed with you
I don't understand your logic here. Gaps causing you to freeze is what I assume you're saying?
@@BackcountryExposure correct
And your tent is really bad.
Teaching moment here! All tents need some level of airflow in order to prevent terrible condensation from your body heat and breath from building up inside the tent while you sleep. The main purpose of a tent is to provide you shelter from inclement weather or precipitation. In order to not freeze, that is where your personal research and experience comes in to play to build to perfect sleep system for YOU. This includes figuring out the proper sleeping garment layers, properly rated sleeping pad(s), and properly rated quilt or sleeping bag to the climate and weather conditions you will be going out in. This includes seasonal extras like warmer hats or adding down booties to your comfort sleep kit. This is why campers and backpackers have SO MUCH GEAR. So we can swap out as our adventure weather conditions change. If the low is 50 degrees, my sleeping gear would look incredibly different than when the nightly low is in the 20's. The tent would be the same in those conditions, but all my other gear would be different. Every adventure out teaches you something about yourself and your gear needs... Hope this helps!
This doesn't make any sense. Tents aren't meant to keep you from freezing... That's what you have a sleeping bag/quilt and clothes for. People tarp in the winter, that obviously leaves you more exposed than a tent.