Early Stirrings at the Synod in Rome, with Fr Gerald Murray
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- Fr. Gerald Murray joins TCT Editor-in-Chief Robert Royal in a conversation about the first days of the second session of the Synod on Synodality. They review what’s emerged so far and speculate on why Pope Francis has changed the whole process from a single session, to two monthly sessions, and added a third element, a parallel process with continuing “study groups.” One not to miss!
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Fr. Murray always has a smile even if things are looking bleak. May God bless him more.
He always has a smile,though he sees things as bleak. Just like this Royal person.
Not that there aren't plenty silly-assed novo guys. Religion can bring out the worst in anybody.
Can't help thinking listening to this that we really do need, and fairly urgently, a Christ centered Holy Pope who has the wisdom to call a halt to these endless meetings, talk talk talk....... get out on the streets good Bishops, and preach the word of God.
So very insightful! Thank you very much!
Enlightening and reassuring.
Thanks to both and God bless all
Thank you very for your informative commentary! May God bless you both!
Very well said at the end there Father.
May the Lord bless your work!
You two guys are peanut butter and jelly. You belong together!
You're great! Thank you!
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These guys are great-the type of incisive critiques of the Vatican that are so timely-IF THIS WAS 1975. The type of conservative Catholicism has been left in the dust by the V2 revolution. R&R? Just another off ramp to a dead-end road. To combat revolution takes counter-revolution.
So few people even seem to understand what Catholicism means in our time. We should be the spiritual bulwark of the world, ready to provide human grounding when the failing materialist modern system gets to its inevitable collapse.
The racism against African Bishops and Priests is palpable. The latest jab has been to say they have had very poor formation. Many non-African priests have had really good deformation!
I don't think it's racism. Rather it is a confusion and misunderstanding of what it means to be well-formed. And a Jesuit-formed Pope is going to have a very different type of formation that may make it challenging to understand the, in some ways, more authentic formation of priests from other countries -more in keeping with the early Church's formation by prayer and the Holy Spirit.
Let us pray for the Holy Father.
Let us pray for a true pope.
I pray Francis has his one on one with Jesus in person by June 2025.
...for his conversion, yes.
I'm a convert. You only have to look at the decline of mainline protestantism to discover where you end up when you water down the Faith in hopes of reaching "modern" culture.
I've had enough being labelled a Trad Catholic, A Conservative Catholic. NO. I'm a Catholic that's it.
Amen brother!
If you are
@littlerock5256 If it's Catholic Yes!!
@@johntaaffe4709 Have you ever seen their masses? They have a channel. It looks and sounds protestant evangelical but it is a novus ordo church.
@@johntaaffe4709 There was a novus ordo mass done outside in a body of water with a raft for an altar and the priest bare chested. Would you attend that?
If only the western Catholic clergy would think and behave more like the African Bishops! Thank you Fr. Murray for being fearless. What became of American’s pride of the Revolution and the Revolutionary Spirit?
I would say the revolutionary spirit animated many of the churchmen and created many of the problems we face today. The enlightenment principles of the American founding animated Hesburgh (destroyed Catholic education), McCarrick and Weakland (put American Catholics in the hands of the left), Hunthausen (leftist activist). We could go on. No, the world and Church have had enough of the American spirit.
Please don't change The Church. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever ✝️
Thank you for an encouraging view on this synod. It's rare and much appreciate.
Thank You
Love the upbeat attitude of this podcast.
Why couldn't the 'horrors' of the Synod, bemoaned by sensationalist journalists and groups,
be used to awaken and strengthen the One True Faith?
Let's have it out! FIght for the Faith!
1 Corinthians 2:2 "For I determined not to know any thing among you, except JESUS CHRIST, and HIM crucified."
While the Synod continues has the command of Jesus to go forth and baptize all nations in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit been encouraged? I hear so little about that.
The process is the point perhaps.
Poor Francis: “Don’t come to the Synod with an agenda: only we were allowed to do that…at Vatican II.”
The onlyvway to fix the problems of this world and bring about the kingdom of God is to give Jesus in all his glory to mankind, Word, Baptism, Sacraments and Eucharist.
NOT EFFICACIOUS
Following is what was taught about mortal sin in all Catholic schools in pre-Vatican II days (in my case 1940’s and 50’s). There were no lay teachers. All the teachers were nuns brothers and priests. We all knew (if we wanted to pass religion and get promoted) the conditions necessary for a sin to be mortal: grave matter; knowledge the act was a grave matter (“a grievous offense against the law of God”); fullconsent of the will. Violation of any of the of the Ten Commandments or the Six Commandments of the Catholic Church was a mortal sin. Some specific examples: deliberately missing mass on Sunday or a Holy Day of Obligation; eating meat on Friday; deliberately entertaining a sexual thought; masturbation; pre-marital sex; marriage in a non-Catholic ceremony; etc.
The Catholic Church was especially fixated on sexual sins referred to as “impure acts”. Catholic boys were admonished not to “touch themselves down there”.
The pre-1993 Catechism current during my Catholic indoctrination stated that a child was incapable of committing a sin prior to reaching the Age of Reason, unequivocally defined as age seven. That was also the age we first went to Confession and received our first Holy Communion. So the best possible outcome for a baptized Catholic child would be to die before reaching age 7. That child would go straight to Heaven without a detour to the tortures of Purgatory experienced by most Catholics not destined for Hell. A believing Catholic parent should rejoice at such an outcome. However, if a properly catechized Catholic child beyond the Age of Reason, commits a mortal sin and dies before making a valid Confession, that child would go straight to Hell and suffer the excruciating pains of fire for eternity. And Hell was vividly described to children.
Every Catholic kid learned about Perfect Contrition and Imperfect Contrition and knew that almost ALL confessions were imperfect. Perfect contrition required sorrow solely based on having offended God. Death immediately following a perfect Confessionresulted in going straight to Heaven. However, if the penitent's motivation for Confession included any degree of fear of punishment, the Confession was valid but imperfect. So even though a Catholic child made a valid Confession, the descriptions of suffering by fire was so heavily emphasized throughout all those school years, that it was almost impossible not to have a least some fear as motivation to go to Confession. Thus virtually all Confessions were imperfect and suffering in the fire of Purgatory was mandatory for the remission of all confessed sins, mortal and venial.
We all believed we were destined to burn for some unknown amount of time in Purgatory, so many sought the indulgences printed on various pages of our Sunday Missals. They were printed in red at the bottom of the page, explaining what had to be done (say so many rosaries, participate in a novena, pray the Stations of the Cross, etc.). Included was the number of days deducted from your time in Purgatory.
TEACHING CHILDREN TO LIVE IN FEAR IS ABJECT, PSYCHOLOGICAL CHILD ABUSE!
Dear African Bishops - Save our Church!!
As a man discerning the CC, I need to hear common sense talk from the leaders of the CC. I don’t like the wimpy, whiny men who don’t defend even the most basic tenets of the CC. The woke church will Not survive. I want to join the church Jesus Christ founded, not what I see here on the Central Coast of California. Pray for my discernment! Thanks.
Stand up Speak out and fight for the faith by using this as an opportunity to teach the truth.
The fact is this is the arena to defend the faith and many will come along. upon hearing it.
Remember almost every Catholic alive today only has had the post VII view of things, i.e., they were never taught the truth!
This Synod is the chance to champion God!
man, do I want to watch this? ugh
I know that a pope is addressed as "holy father" but each time I hear somebody say that to refer to pope francis...It gives me a feeling of CRINGE...after all this 11 years of ambiguities in his leadership and elevating prelates that are frankly heretics like timothy radcliffe.....is he still a "holy father?"
The title goes with the office as the Bishop of Rome - which opens up another can of worms Still, it’s a title anyone holding it will have to answer for in his particular and final judgement. Truth will out, eventually.
Agreed!!!
These poor, poor women, being used and abused by revisionists who care not for the Gospel/ except to pervert it and twist it for their demonic agenda to destroy the Church. And Bergoglio is a weak bystander. And the Cardinals and bishops are weak bystanders. Blessed be God forever.
Modernism at its; best
@@richardimon468 they say those who write and speak to the matter with the fewest words are true orators! Couldn’t have said it better myself
Francis is NOT a bystander he's right there with modernists
To equate that Biblical passage which no longer requires circumcision in Acts 15 - And to say that that is somehow analogous to circumventing God’s moral law is absolutely a misapplication of Holy Scripture. It is not a proper exegesis of the Scriptures, nor is it a proper application of that apostolic decision for a post-modernist view of God’s Moral Law. It is in fact a clear case of isogesis, rather than exogesis; which in essence brings one’s one agenda and conclusions to the Scriptures and looks for a way to support those conclusions from the Holy Scriptures, rather than looking to what the Scriptures teach themselves and how they are applicable in the 21st century.
Taking one passage out-of-context and using it as a departure point reminds me of how the women’s ordination movement overtook Protestantism. They just decided that “In Christ there is no gentile or Jew, servant or free, woman or man” (removed from context) would be the preeminent guide on the matter - and anyone who disagreed was backward.
Pray for the conversion of Jorge Bergoglio. 🙏
Or for your conversion 😂
I am upset with Pope Francis and his cronies in the Vatican. God send us please a Holy Pope.
The once great Church of Rome, now such a sad insecure placating confusion.
Yes they seem to be saying we don't know what we are going and we don't know what we are doing
Not all are lost. There are many of us who still believe in the one holy Catholic apostolic church. Although there are those who think they can change the teachings of Christ church they can’t. Vatican 2 caused enough problems
The eternal natural moral law is no longer efficacious?
Thank God the road to salvation does not go through the canon lawyers!!
He is a canon lawyer
Robert, you said "Holy Father" Who did you talk about?
....exactly!
Jorge wants to make the Catholic Church watered down to become the one world religion. He wants this Synodal thing to be held annually. Praying Jorge gets to have his one on one with Jesus in His presence by June 2025.
'Holy Father'? really?
I find it very annoying to hear about the blessing of same sex couples being approved when it never was going to be on the agenda, because it was individuals who were in same sex relationships who were going to be blessed. Because Jesus encounters every human even those people who seem to be pursuing a sinful experience. These thus merit a blessing.
That new movie called Conclave is Hollywood's way of ushering in transgender clergy.
No - this scandalizes the Church and the faithful. The priest gives a blessing to everyone at the end of the Mass. Fiducia Supplicans ushers in confusion under its reigning principle of ambiguity. It is shameful that those seeking a ‘blessing’ because of their sin are not, instead, directed to the confessional for the Sacrament of Penance. A blessing occurs there, too, after a humble and contrite heart makes a good confession.
George Wiegel says the Church doesn't do 'paradigm shifts'?? Wiegel? a fan of the modernist John-Paul II??
Where is the Holy Spirit in all of this?
Synod on Synodality = Death by meeting. 🙄
Truth does not change. Jesus is the Head of His only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and those who wanted to twist or distort the Truth automatically separated themselves from Him. It is so clear that their synodal way is not of the Catholic Faith, but protestant way who wanted to build their One World Church. Go on with your own wicked ways but first of all vacate the Vatican, and vacate the Chair of St. Peter. Those who promoted their own false teachings, heresies, and lies contrary to the Truth are accursed. In the Name of Jesus Christ do not insists to introduce your own wicked ways, and deceived many people inside His Holy Church. You are the Antichrists, the ravening wolves wearing in sheep's clothing.
Jesus Himself said He did not come to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfill them. His teaching returned the hearts of men to the true intent of the law and the prophets - the true Spirit of the Law. The Church gave us both the New and Old Testament as readings that are fundamental to understanding Our God and Our Faith. Some of those books were written by Apostles. To use one line or small section of the new Testament as a reason to justify a new teaching and a new Church, is so disingenuous, intellectually dishonest, and wrong-headed as to scream, "We will not seek God's truth". "We want an answer that says we can do whatever we want and be saved." As much as Christ wanted all to be saved, at the First Eucharist, He said, "I do NOT pray for the world but for those you gave me out of the world.'' Some people, He knew and knows, will reject His teaching. The issue with the starting point group nine has chosen is that it already announces a bias against the whole truth, and an agenda driven pursuit. God's anger toward man has never been because man had standards or laws that some rejected or failed to live up to. HE gave the Ten Commandments. His anger has always been because those who SHOULD be HIS followers disrespect their God and do not keep His commands, do not go to worship Him with a heart full of humility and gratitude, but as rote practice, do not long to pray but rather pray usually only in a crisis, do not even fathom the gift of His True Presence where Churches used to have a steady stream of adorers, do not pass down the love of God as the greatest gift and Truth they could give their children, do no penance nor feels true repentance for their lack of love for Him, etc., etc., etc. The original formula is still working. Be a true follower (or more realistically, one who attempts to be a true follower), and the ability of Christ to live through you will attract souls who are called by the Father and it will anger those who follow a different father. God will draw the souls if we do our best to be faithful. We have never been in charge. There will always be opposition.
Flawed theology, especially about the role of women in the Church, is no theology at all. Perhaps the synodal focus should be on scriptural interpretations - always made by men, of course. It IS possible that some Church teachings can be flawed and not represent actual Divine Revelation at all.
Not after 2000 years.
Plenty of scripture interpretations from the many women teaching at Catholic seminaries and universities.
Good Lord, save us, if we are expecting African bishops to be the bulwark of Catholic traditionalism.
Or no longer the main point.
I think this whole Synod is a waste of time and money, get back to the business of shepherding the flock of Jesus Christ.
self inflicted decline
This Pope loves confusion, and that's not my personal opinion. On at least two occasions he has actually said to crowds of young people, ¡Hagan lío! (Make a mess). Looking around, only the willfully blind can fail to see the tremendous mess he and his cohort have caused. Something is desperately wrong. The duty of the Pope is to clarify the faith, not confuse the faithful. Because of its informational reach, Francis' papacy is hands down the worst in Catholic history, a "lío" indeed.
"make a mess" was in the context of encouraging young people to take risks, even if they make a mistake (aka...mess). It focussed on being bold in love of God
I may be down to my last mass or two as a Catholic
Consider Holy Orthodoxy! ☦☦☦
Brother, please please do not leave the church because of the erroneous teachings of Pope Francis and liberal Bishops. Please do not leave because of the multiple errors that were brought into the church from sinful men. The Church does not, has not, and never will dogmatize, decree, or infallibly define anything contrary to God law, faith, and morals.
Please consider researching St. Athenasius. He was persecuted by Arian heretical bishops who infiltrated the Catholic Church. St. Athenasius persevered to the end and held true to the teachings of the Church. He's now a Saint! I will pray for grace and perseverence for you in my rosary. God bless brother.
You may be more encouraged if you stop listening to the narrow, hyper critical voices of this podcast. The church is guided by the holy spirit and the times we live in require a new way of reaching the vulnerable...without compromising Catholic teaching....but developing it
@@marcokitedon't you allow multiple divorces and contraception?
I really cannot believe that you believe the Novus Ordo sect is the Catholic Church.
These two always are not happy people . Always against PopeFrancis 😂
Well as 'pope' Francis is against the Roman Catholic Church that's hardly surprising.
I find Fr Murray quite uncharitable. Although I mostly share his point of you , it sounds sometimes like he is reading from a rule book instead of being a pastoral Spiritual Father
Demons do shrink from the truth and the proclamation of the Gospel, so I understand your unease.
@@tomthx5804 boom! 😂 I gotta use that one 😂
Apparently you have never read the Fathers....or the Gospels and Saint Paul. All very blunt. I think you are confusing charity with niceness.
I’m sure there was someone looking on from the side of where Jesus was hitting people with whips and turning over tables saying, “he’s not being much of a pastoral spiritual father”.
oh my gosh, who could be more charitable than Fr. Murray! My bet is that his parish finds him a wonderful spiritual father.