The loudest crowd reactions I have ever been a part of at IMS. 1. Little Al winning n 1992 2. Kanaan winning /Helio winning his 4th 3. Danica passing Wheldon for the lead 4. Willy T Ribbs qualifying 5. The track announcer reporting the half the field crashed prior to the green flag in the first US 500
That race in 96 had me watch 1000 miles of open wheel, 600 miles of NASCAR and play 500 miles of NASCAR racing 2 at Talladega all in the same day. A marathon I’ll never be able to accomplish again.
The lap 0 crash was absolutely amazing. They spent weeks claiming that higher speeds and less experienced drivers would lead to a wreck fest at Indy (partially true, there were a lot of harmless spins early on) and that the "best drivers" would be in Michigan. The race also started later, likely to give some kind of comparison to the average viewer of the virgin IRL vs the chad CHAMP. So when the best drivers in the world can't make it to the green flag, and the race is postponed an hour so the best drivers can get into backup cars I imagine a lot of people switched back to Indy and never changed the channel back.
The fact is however compare the quality of fields in both races. What happened at the start was a freak bolt of lightning from the racing gods but the reality is the IRL had some really sad fields
Honestly, the whole Indy/CART split really is the biggest backfire ever in motorsports (al least for me) 🤣... Now even Roger Penske got to own Tony George's biggest pride and joy (Indy itself) and said "checkmate, dude" 🤣 🤣 Also, keep using GT4's music bro 👍
@@The52car bit of both, because trying to replace the indy 500 it's like trying to replace the superbowl, tradition makes it Impossible ... Also, remember the split was mostly because of costs, how would creating a new division help that?? Specially if, ironically, that foreign talent George was complaining too was also bringing sponsor interest = more money?? I understand to give chances to the dirt-track local racers (Tony Stewart for example), but you have Indy Lights for that... George should have just swallowed his pride and let sponsors inject money first to balance costs... THEN, create a new local talent division or expand IndyCar's field to let that talent shine on it's own...
@@GregBrownsWorldORacing afaik, IndyCar today runs both the Road course (for the GP) and the obvious 500 oval, so I don't think mr. Penske doesn't waste the infield 👍 Also, reinforcing the "Checkmate", remember the 2000's indy 500, the time George got owned by a CART team (Chip Ganassi) with a foreign racer (Juan Pablo Montoya), pretty sure Penske was smuggling all the race seeing a CART partner pissing all over the IRL racers, even if it wasn't his team 😅
I forgot Scott “hi to my family at home” Pruett raced in CART during this era. (And not long after he went to NASCAR and didn’t fare well.) (Hi to my family at home.)
I attended the 1997 US 500 and it may have been the single HOTTEST day I have ever spent at a racetrack in my life! That move to late July was a disaster. 🥵
"Lets start the race three by three on this high banked high speed track." I don't know who thought that was a good idea, but that person needs to get a brain implant.
@@evannuh-koo-la4054 The Michigan 500 was also traditionally started 3-by-3, with minimal disasters that I can remember, so it’s not like this idea was done *solely* to emulate Indy (though that was obviously part of it).
Rumored back in the day Paul Tracy speed trapped 257 MPH on Omega Timing an Scoring. Those CART ChampCars were absolute beasts! Golden age of open wheel racing, something we will probably never get to witness ever again 😢
Here in Brazil both series was in over the air networks. It was like a war in the promotion of this races in the first year. The US 500 beated the hell out of the Indy 500 in the ratings.
Again I love the idea of doing triage while not being able to hear every few seconds “Hey we need to bag this guy. He’s having trouble breathing!” *VROOOOOM* “We need to what?” *VROOOOOM* “...BAG!” *VROOOOM* “Why would you call me that?!?” *VROOOOM*
*Actually* CART raced at MI up until 2001 & then gave the Michigan rights to IRL the next year. However, Indy Racing haven't raced at Michigan since 2007. Anywho, the Split in open wheel racing pretty much killed the auto sport & even though Danica Patrick brought the popularity back when she was racing, it wasn't enough to bring back the prestige that it once was in the 70s through the mid 90s.
We had the latest in TV technology at the time- A VCR, so I could watch Indy 500 live, then replay the US 500 after that, so as not to miss a lap.... When the SHTF before start/finish I was simultaneously, heart broken, embarassed & laughing my ass off at 'the best drivers in the world'... So much better than fiction.
This is just too painful to watch.....the stupidity of the split killed Indycar racing for two decades and pretty much made it second place behind NASCAR. Thanks Tony George....
The race wasn't so much moved to July as the U.S. 500 moniker was given to the existing 500-miler at Michigan, while the previous name for that race, the Marlboro 500, was given to the race at the then-new sister track to Michigan, the California Speedway.
If I'm actually able to go to Michigan for a race this year I'm gonna try to find that memorial. I never even knew that existed until now and I've been going every year since '07
If you looked at my fantasy schedule for IndyCar, you would see this race on it. You'd also point out that I'd be a sociopath for the other tracks I have in mind; Pocono, Daytona Road Course, Martinsville, etc.
Actually I’d like to see Pocono in IndyCar again. That track was built for them. Daytona Road Course, they did test there before, but in a different layout, and IndyCar at Martinsville?? That’s a sociopathic move
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT The alternative to Martinsville would probably be Bristol; the schedule should have one short track. And maybe I'll throw in Sebring, maybe Crandon; the off-road track. I was kidding about Crandon, but Sebring sounds fun... and bumpy.
Regarding the fact this race was sold out - I seem to recall that the sponsors (I think tobacco ones) provided a huge amount of free tickets to employees and their families in order to help fill the seats. I could be wrong, but I'd totally believe that - gotta make a good TV impression for this race.
The sad thing is Michigan became the third race in the triple crown after Ontario was closed down, and was a very popular race during the 80's and early 90's before the US 500 but the whole split, the US 500 and subsequent disaster that happened when the fans were killed just completely ended Michigan and its legacy in IndyCar. Every year I wish for Michigan to come back to the schedule, but I don't think it will ever happen.
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT last time I watched Indycar was when robert had his crash at pocono never really found an interest in it. But I may reconsider to see how jimmie performs
so the race itself didn't stop running after 1999, the US 500 branding was added to the michigan date that had been running since the early 80's. they actually ran michigan twice in 1996 before going back to just once the following year. in 2000, CART would use the Vanderbilt Cup instead as its championship trophy until the merger as indycar preferred using the astor cup as the title trophy.
"As you can see from the camera view, it's a far cry from what the 1996 edition had." Well, that's what happens when people start getting tired. Alright, I'm leaving.
Question: what would American open wheel look like if the race results flipped were the US 500 turned out to be a good race with no tragedy and indy had a terribly race with the amateurs causing chaos?
Nothing. IMS has endured worse crashes and tragedies than the ‘96 split, and interest has always remained high. CART-even at its most financially successful-was never bigger than the Indy 500. The US 500 was just another Michigan 500; an entertaining race, very fast, but nothing standout from the rest of the CART season. It took about 5 years of bickering for the racing community to figure out the Indy 500 was bigger than both CART and the IRL.
Not gonna lie, part of me says if they weren’t going to compete directly with Indy, they should have done the race on July 4th, and maybe pick some place patriotic? First place coming to mind being Pocono if CART could be let in
We were neighbors growing up.. same school bus etc.... Mike's strength was motorcross racing, not stock cars, but when you marry the bosses daughter...well.....
The loudest crowd reactions I have ever been a part of at IMS.
1. Little Al winning n 1992
2. Kanaan winning /Helio winning his 4th
3. Danica passing Wheldon for the lead
4. Willy T Ribbs qualifying
5. The track announcer reporting the half the field crashed prior to the green flag in the first US 500
That race in 96 had me watch 1000 miles of open wheel, 600 miles of NASCAR and play 500 miles of NASCAR racing 2 at Talladega all in the same day. A marathon I’ll never be able to accomplish again.
NR2 was the bees knees
My thumb was swollen playing Daytona 500 on Nascar Thunder 2004 already...
“Mom, can we watch the Indy 500?”
Mom: no, we have the Indy 500 at home!
Indy 500 at home:
*proceeds to wipe half of the field on lap 1*
@@michaelskoomamacher5652 *laughs in Buddy Lazier*
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT true
The indy 500 at home is the US.500
I just can’t believe the official IndyCar TH-cam account posted the full race online
IndyCar woke up and chose violence and didn’t hold back lmaoooo
That's just Indycar posting their Ws
Well seeing how Penske owns IndyCar now, it isn't much of a stretch since he was the top boss of CART.
@@omegafolf He also owns Michigan (and Fontana).
@@PapaVanTwee5 Owned. He sold both of them to ISC.
That commercial at the start didn’t hold back
This is a crash between men. The best in their sport.
I can't believe they did it unironically. It looks like a parodic political ad.
2021 Daytona 500: Crash 14 laps in
USA 500: “Yes my record is still intact”
USA 500 , nope there was a dirt track race where the field was wiped out getting lined up
@@troygroomes104 and f1 crashes on the grid
And I just watch nascarhistoryman talk about it yesterday
- BUMP -
If you're reading this go check out the nascarman history channel RIGHT NOW
And the latest of his multi-part series has become an IRL puff piece.
The lap 0 crash was absolutely amazing. They spent weeks claiming that higher speeds and less experienced drivers would lead to a wreck fest at Indy (partially true, there were a lot of harmless spins early on) and that the "best drivers" would be in Michigan. The race also started later, likely to give some kind of comparison to the average viewer of the virgin IRL vs the chad CHAMP. So when the best drivers in the world can't make it to the green flag, and the race is postponed an hour so the best drivers can get into backup cars I imagine a lot of people switched back to Indy and never changed the channel back.
The fact is however compare the quality of fields in both races. What happened at the start was a freak bolt of lightning from the racing gods but the reality is the IRL had some really sad fields
@@marklittle8805 Dr. Jack the Racing Dentist!
CART: Guys, keep a serious face while we record you
Paul Tracy: HEHEHEHEHEHE
I think 1996 marked the year Tracy completed his transition from spectacled nice-looking guy to rebellious madman both on and off track
Honestly, the whole Indy/CART split really is the biggest backfire ever in motorsports (al least for me) 🤣... Now even Roger Penske got to own Tony George's biggest pride and joy (Indy itself) and said "checkmate, dude" 🤣 🤣
Also, keep using GT4's music bro 👍
Was it a checkmate, or just Roger realizing the Speedway was always right...
@@The52car bit of both, because trying to replace the indy 500 it's like trying to replace the superbowl, tradition makes it Impossible ... Also, remember the split was mostly because of costs, how would creating a new division help that?? Specially if, ironically, that foreign talent George was complaining too was also bringing sponsor interest = more money??
I understand to give chances to the dirt-track local racers (Tony Stewart for example), but you have Indy Lights for that... George should have just swallowed his pride and let sponsors inject money first to balance costs... THEN, create a new local talent division or expand IndyCar's field to let that talent shine on it's own...
both of them ending up winning in the end somehow
He proudly owns the oval & then consistently refuses to use it... Their road course isn't as bad as a street course, but it's close.
@@GregBrownsWorldORacing afaik, IndyCar today runs both the Road course (for the GP) and the obvious 500 oval, so I don't think mr. Penske doesn't waste the infield 👍
Also, reinforcing the "Checkmate", remember the 2000's indy 500, the time George got owned by a CART team (Chip Ganassi) with a foreign racer (Juan Pablo Montoya), pretty sure Penske was smuggling all the race seeing a CART partner pissing all over the IRL racers, even if it wasn't his team 😅
Controversy of the Split aside, IndyCar needs to be back at Michigan. It had some amazing races through the 80s and 90s...
Seeing how dangerous Pocono is for indycar absolutely not
They could still try it. It isn’t nearly as flat out as Pocono and works as another big oval in a market they really aren’t in
@@wordlesslfiddling Wow, motorsport is dangerous. I would have never guessed.
@@armorgeddon smooth brain wants blood sport
@@wordlesslfiddlingis pocono really that dangerous?
Indycars at Michigan were something special. You shouldn've mentioned the 2000 race which featured one of the greatest battles of the win ever seen.
_Reject modernity, embrace tradition..._
CART: *No. May US 500 reign supreme*
(That turned out well...)
They should just return to monke
I forgot Scott “hi to my family at home” Pruett raced in CART during this era.
(And not long after he went to NASCAR and didn’t fare well.)
(Hi to my family at home.)
Leader on Pace Lap: **Wrecks**
Me: **inhales**
*boi*
Look, he did a Hungary 2020!
@@satagaming9144 Max Crashtappen. Now available pre-race too. For the best "B O I" experience.
This race has the only interview I have found on Jeff Krosnoff. Rest In Peace.
Last time I was this early, the US 500 wasn’t a disaster
Last time I was this early, the US 500 wasn’t even a thing
I was about to make that overused joke. but it's gone to other guy now.
Lmao
Can we just take a moment and appreciate Bobby Rahal's Groucho Marx thing he had going? @0:17
That start will always make me die of laughter
I was there and was laughing my ass off in real time.
Seeing Krosnoff, Moore and Ribiero standing near each other made my heart heavy gave me chills.
"And now the mayor... errr.... governor of Michigan"
*facepalm*
One of many mistakes that was the US 500
The greatest Lap 1 tribute to the 1982 Indy 500 we could have asked for
Looking back at these CART races, those speeds were insane.
Not to mention 1000 horsepower
I attended the 1997 US 500 and it may have been the single HOTTEST day I have ever spent at a racetrack in my life! That move to late July was a disaster. 🥵
The US500 start: *Bruh Moment*
IRL: ''Lol''
I see Black Flags Matter on my YT timeline, I click
Black flags matter is legitness
"...most qualified in IndyCar history...."
*proceeds to wipe out half the field before the start*
I never knew Kanaan was the only driver to win both the U.S. 500 and Indianapolis 500.
"Lets start the race three by three on this high banked high speed track." I don't know who thought that was a good idea, but that person needs to get a brain implant.
It's the same way the indy 500 is started
@@troygroomes104 I know, but its still kinda dumb to do that at a track like Michigan
@@evannuh-koo-la4054 eventually you never watched a world of outlaw sprint car or late model event they, since they start off the same way.
They started 3 wide here in 1994 amd 1995 with no issue.
@@evannuh-koo-la4054 The Michigan 500 was also traditionally started 3-by-3, with minimal disasters that I can remember, so it’s not like this idea was done *solely* to emulate Indy (though that was obviously part of it).
Rumored back in the day Paul Tracy speed trapped 257 MPH on Omega Timing an Scoring. Those CART ChampCars were absolute beasts! Golden age of open wheel racing, something we will probably never get to witness ever again 😢
Here in Brazil both series was in over the air networks. It was like a war in the promotion of this races in the first year. The US 500 beated the hell out of the Indy 500 in the ratings.
i dont know why, but the amount of damage this wreck caused always amazed me.... literally and metaphorically.
CART was a ton better than IRL until the last 2 years before they merged.
And had way better looking cars. Indycars up until 2018 we're just butt ugly
R.I.P. Greg Moore
Absolute legend, all round nice guy. #99
The start of that first race was like watching the NFC East this year 🤣🤣🤣
Tank division
Again I love the idea of doing triage while not being able to hear every few seconds
“Hey we need to bag this guy. He’s having
trouble breathing!”
*VROOOOOM*
“We need to what?”
*VROOOOOM*
“...BAG!”
*VROOOOM*
“Why would you call me that?!?”
*VROOOOM*
“The best in the business”. Field wrecks ten cars before the first lap.
*Actually* CART raced at MI up until 2001 & then gave the Michigan rights to IRL the next year. However, Indy Racing haven't raced at Michigan since 2007.
Anywho, the Split in open wheel racing pretty much killed the auto sport & even though Danica Patrick brought the popularity back when she was racing, it wasn't enough to bring back the prestige that it once was in the 70s through the mid 90s.
Love this video you knocked it out of the park once again
i love the fact the gt mode music from gran turismo 4 was just playing during the crash, as if it was just...something casual
I was at 1998 Michigan. I told Bobby Rahal people died in stands..... Even the teams didnt know.
0:48 *the senior 500*
We had the latest in TV technology at the time- A VCR, so I could watch Indy 500 live, then replay the US 500 after that, so as not to miss a lap.... When the SHTF before start/finish I was simultaneously, heart broken, embarassed & laughing my ass off at 'the best drivers in the world'... So much better than fiction.
love the Gran Turismo 4 soundtrack
Thank you for the vids man
The irony if that clip from the 1997 US 500 is that it's taped from an Indianapolis broadcast, home of the IRL
That Crash At The Start Of The Race Was A Total Embarrassment For CART.
This is just too painful to watch.....the stupidity of the split killed Indycar racing for two decades and pretty much made it second place behind NASCAR. Thanks Tony George....
The race wasn't so much moved to July as the U.S. 500 moniker was given to the existing 500-miler at Michigan, while the previous name for that race, the Marlboro 500, was given to the race at the then-new sister track to Michigan, the California Speedway.
Great video, but Mauricio Gugelmin is pronounced "maurice-she-oh" not "mercy-oh"
I came here to say this.
@@The52car I was going to say there's always one, in this case there were two. :)
I had to replay the part with Greg Moore talking to Paul Tracy about 6 times.
Moore used to call PT "Rock star" proving Greg didn't give a shit about tormenting anyone
@@marklittle8805 he actually had quite the quick wit. There's an interview he did on Mike Bullard. Actually pretty hilarious guy.
If I'm actually able to go to Michigan for a race this year I'm gonna try to find that memorial. I never even knew that existed until now and I've been going every year since '07
It may be like finding the LeMans 1955 memorial.... And it's in French, of course.
I have seen many races at MIS, I too never knew it existed. Dark day in our history.
6:04 he sounded a lot like Rob Paulsen
Right off the bat... ho lee fuck, what a badass intro for a race
If you looked at my fantasy schedule for IndyCar, you would see this race on it. You'd also point out that I'd be a sociopath for the other tracks I have in mind; Pocono, Daytona Road Course, Martinsville, etc.
Actually I’d like to see Pocono in IndyCar again. That track was built for them. Daytona Road Course, they did test there before, but in a different layout, and IndyCar at Martinsville?? That’s a sociopathic move
I miss going to Pocono IndyCar races
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT The alternative to Martinsville would probably be Bristol; the schedule should have one short track. And maybe I'll throw in Sebring, maybe Crandon; the off-road track.
I was kidding about Crandon, but Sebring sounds fun... and bumpy.
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance you’re insanely creative, man lol
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT Lol Thank you.
Championship Seasons Jeff Gordon 1998
Good Seasons Jeff Burton 1998
Bad Seasons Jeff Green 1998
The Jeff and Jeff Show, featuring Jeff
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
Gordon was Dominant as Hell
Burton Was in his prime at Roush
Green is better off in Xfinity
@@DupontandLowesWarrior damn, all of these are facts
And IndyCar uploaded this race to his channel last Thursday😂
4:55 most Qualified Field.
Then proceeded to crash before the green flag waved.
When the Indy 500 got hit by Knock Off
I like how you slit in that Gran Turismo 4 music in there buddy I like your style
Love the little Easter egg music in the back
Would have been great to see Jimmy Vasser’s after race quote ….. “Who needs milk?” 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the all great comments and stay safe and I love your car
I flipped back and forth 🤣
Regarding the fact this race was sold out - I seem to recall that the sponsors (I think tobacco ones) provided a huge amount of free tickets to employees and their families in order to help fill the seats. I could be wrong, but I'd totally believe that - gotta make a good TV impression for this race.
Great video, cheers!
This is basically the 2019-2020 Busch clash of open wheel racing
More indycar please and more features with DLand!
Last time I was this early. Kyle larson hadn't said: hey you can't hear me
@Rob F it's the "steer right to turn left" (or something like that) of getting fired
The sad thing is Michigan became the third race in the triple crown after Ontario was closed down, and was a very popular race during the 80's and early 90's before the US 500 but the whole split, the US 500 and subsequent disaster that happened when the fans were killed just completely ended Michigan and its legacy in IndyCar. Every year I wish for Michigan to come back to the schedule, but I don't think it will ever happen.
The same thing happened the next year with IRL at Charlotte, but they stop and ultimately cancelled the race as a result.
Must have been tough for Darian to read the script before the crash scene without laughing
I need to start watching indycar again...
Bro, you really should! I highly recommend you. We miss you!
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT last time I watched Indycar was when robert had his crash at pocono never really found an interest in it. But I may reconsider to see how jimmie performs
@@j9vlikz683 if you’re interested in watching IndyCar, welcome back my friend!
It’s not even on TV anymore except for the Indy 500
Tony Kanaan is such a legend, trully a hero
Indycar: Michigan will be better than the Indy 500!!
U.S. 500: Well yes, but actually no....
ok can we talk about how Michigan had no catch fence on the backstretch or the turns...... what... I know it was a long time ago but still
Hell, they had armco on the backstretch versus a wall up until like 1989.
so the race itself didn't stop running after 1999, the US 500 branding was added to the michigan date that had been running since the early 80's. they actually ran michigan twice in 1996 before going back to just once the following year. in 2000, CART would use the Vanderbilt Cup instead as its championship trophy until the merger as indycar preferred using the astor cup as the title trophy.
Tbh, I kind wish they would go back to the Vanderbilt Cup... the Astor Cup had a very short history prior to its recent reincarnation.
Gotta love those mid-90's glasses
0:00 top 10 worst commercials ever
Yeah a basic PR commercial
13 cars out in turn one, lap one: This is a Certified Bruh Moment
63 lead changes in 1998: This is Certified Hood Classic
1996 U.S. 500 = The motorsport equivalent of 2017 Josstice League
Can you do a video highlighting the 1997 CART Season? It is my favorite season of IndyCar and I believe it one of the greatest of all time!!
in the end no one won and the fans suffered for a long time for open wheel racing in the United States...
"As you can see from the camera view, it's a far cry from what the 1996 edition had."
Well, that's what happens when people start getting tired.
Alright, I'm leaving.
Question: what would American open wheel look like if the race results flipped were the US 500 turned out to be a good race with no tragedy and indy had a terribly race with the amateurs causing chaos?
Nothing.
IMS has endured worse crashes and tragedies than the ‘96 split, and interest has always remained high. CART-even at its most financially successful-was never bigger than the Indy 500. The US 500 was just another Michigan 500; an entertaining race, very fast, but nothing standout from the rest of the CART season. It took about 5 years of bickering for the racing community to figure out the Indy 500 was bigger than both CART and the IRL.
"mo-REE-cio GOOJ-el-mean"
Sadly, Champ Car had no chance with this event.
Well, you can say Cart/CC lost the battle, but actually won the war.
@@GustavoCALovatto CART no longer exists, it went bankrupt.
@@The52car the IRL doesn't exist either
I wonder if anyone is using this video as supplement to nascarman's AOWR Split Part 3 video.
CART:We have the best drivers!
*Cars crash on pace lap*
Indycar:You sure?
4:34 moments taken before disaster
Not gonna lie, part of me says if they weren’t going to compete directly with Indy, they should have done the race on July 4th, and maybe pick some place patriotic? First place coming to mind being Pocono if CART could be let in
I appreciated the GranTurismo menu music 😃
The race after 1996 was simply the Malboro 500or on tv the Michigan 500renamed.
7:40 What is the background music playing? This song is familiar to me...
If you can’t get enough of NASCAR Busts: Burney Lamar, wait until you see the next edition of NASCAR Busts: Mike Dillon.
We were neighbors growing up.. same school bus etc.... Mike's strength was motorcross racing, not stock cars, but when you marry the bosses daughter...well.....
God I so love that era in CART history.
A ten car wreck before the drop of the green flag. Sounds like some WindVOW shit.
you could almost hear tony georges laughter from indy !!!
RIP Jeff Krosnoff
Well done.