It's a pity we didn't have the video technology in the 60's to the 80's that we have today. You would've seen the brilliant SARU rugby players of that era play. The '76 All Blacks went to watch the WP Saru team at the time and Sid Going said Cassiem Jabaar, WP and SARU scrumhalf was World Class. Too many of that era's SARU players' talent was overlooked by the mainstream media, which is a pity. Even today, we haven't even levelled the playing field yet (economically) and look at the talent that has been unearthed. Back to back world cup champs! We should be dominating World Rugby!! We have the numbers, rugby in SA is alsmost classless, we have alsmost no overseas imports (Unlike European national teams, who are invaded by all nations, including Saffas, who dominate as well. During Apartheid there were so many Rugby Unions and Sub-Unions - on a Saturday morning we had hundreds of games being played from Junior at 09h00 to 1st team at 17h00. In WP we had WPRU, WPRB, Tygerberg, City and Suburban, Somerset-West and Boland! Each sub union had about 20 - 30 clubs with juniors and seniors! Then you add schools rugby Coloured, Indian and Black schools had hundreds of rugby players playing every week!! When unification took place everything disappeared!!The new SARB could not control or were unable to control such a big organisation. Thousands of talented rugby talent just disappeared. WORLD RUGBY DOMINATION !!
With all due respect. The real heroes are those SARU players who boycotted the system and refused to be used as window dressing. Because of them our players today have opportunity. Sport was used as a serious form of boycott and the above players that was not affiliated to SaRU were not allowed to play for their colored schools back then.
mmm... I respectfully disagree. Errol Tobias and the others were not window dressing. They were picked on merit and kept the hope alive for a team that is purely picked on merit. They served as heroes for a generation of school boys, whether we were black, white, or coloured. They did not only contribute to the sport, but also helped to change people's perceptions of each other "on both sides of the fence":. That said, the SARU players were heroes too. Too bad that we did not get to see them play... 😞
Strange that black players who accepted the old rugby board names get mentioned .while others suffered.eg. salie lippe ,cassiem jabaar,napoleon ,majola etc ..
I met Errol Tobias - and, in fact, every member of the touring team - when the Springboks visited New Zealand on that tumultuous tour of 1981. That was the best Springbok team I have ever seen in my lifetime, and better than the team that I saw last year in Auckland, even though that fine team won the World Cup. If not for the endless protests, I think that the 1981 Springbok team would have beaten us at home. For context, the All Blacks had an outstanding team in 1981. That third test at Eden Park was unforgettable, a tale of two halves, with a Cessna dropping flour bombs on the field throughout. Obviously, Errol was never going to play in the 1981 test series as Naas Botha was the man with a mortgage on the number 10 shirt, and Naas was easily the best player in the world in his position at that time. I also saw Errol play for the President's XV against England at Twickenham in 1984. He was in superb form. The Springbok players in that team were in their pomp, none more so than Danie Gerber, the best center I ever saw play rugby. Errol played well when Danie was alongside him. Great to see some footage of that match on here. My brother and I met Rob Louw in the Twickenham carpark after the match. My brother regularly corresponded with Rob in those days after Rob gave him a Springbok jersey on the 1981 tour. One can only wonder how untouchable the Springboks would have been had they allowed players who were not white to play for them throughout their history. Scary thought!
Avril williams the uncle of chester .christie noble spoed se baas jp pietersen uncle.damn we got robbed of not seeing the likes of peter jooste and gary bosshoff in their pump.tjankyou goodness we seeing cheslin kolbe and lukhanyo am nowadays
I feel for you, Real rugby. Try to do something nice and got political backlash and greviences. No good deed go's unpunished. Errol Tobias was a pioneer.
One thing I've learned Koos is that you can't please all of the people all of the time, you an only please some of the people some of the time. Luckily, the majority of folks supporting this channel are all legends. I don't really care about the rest
These are all great players but not the pioneers of black and colloured rugby. They will tell you themselves. There were even greater players that played for the non racial teams.
Sorry this is not the true reflection of rugby in our country . Too many Sacos legends that were better than them . Normal sport in an abnormal society
Never claimed for this to be any reflection on anything. It's just a collection of clips of good players who did manage to break through during the isolation years
Yes you are right.that yellow jersey was the kind of springbok jersey for coloured players. I called a trophy jersey because the coloured players were seen as second best
I'm assuming your question is coming from outside of South Africa, the racial breakdown works like this, the Bantu/negroid tribes are classed as black, those of Indian decent are Indian, those of European decent are called whites, the coloureds are those of original khoi/San bloodlines and also those of Malay decent. During apartheid Indian, coloured and black people were marginalised, post apartheid white Indian and coloured peoples are marginalised, so in effect, the coloured and Indian folk in SA have had a really sh@t deal.
A similar article about the white and Indian and coulerd soccer players in the same time period would be interesting, I am sure top Soccer is reserved for blacks for practical purposes. Bottom line: Culture is likely more significant than political reasons.
There's a multi-episode SuperSport documentary on the development of professional soccer in SA. I vehemently suggest you watch it, for "practical purposes", i.e. informing your opinion.
The SA team that won the 1996 AFCON was captained and coached by white men, I was 7 years old at the time and probably only gave it a real thought in my 20s. Which is to say it wasn't a talking point. So yes, there were white teams and black teams but they played in the same league. For the practical reasons you mentioned, there were then the top white players who made it into the black teams who had more financial muscle.
It's a pity we didn't have the video technology in the 60's to the 80's that we have today. You would've seen the brilliant SARU rugby players of that era play. The '76 All Blacks went to watch the WP Saru team at the time and Sid Going said Cassiem Jabaar, WP and SARU scrumhalf was World Class. Too many of that era's SARU players' talent was overlooked by the mainstream media, which is a pity.
Even today, we haven't even levelled the playing field yet (economically) and look at the talent that has been unearthed. Back to back world cup champs! We should be dominating World Rugby!! We have the numbers, rugby in SA is alsmost classless, we have alsmost no overseas imports (Unlike European national teams, who are invaded by all nations, including Saffas, who dominate as well.
During Apartheid there were so many Rugby Unions and Sub-Unions - on a Saturday morning we had hundreds of games being played from Junior at 09h00 to 1st team at 17h00. In WP we had WPRU, WPRB, Tygerberg, City and Suburban, Somerset-West and Boland! Each sub union had about 20 - 30 clubs with juniors and seniors! Then you add schools rugby Coloured, Indian and Black schools had hundreds of rugby players playing every week!!
When unification took place everything disappeared!!The new SARB could not control or were unable to control such a big organisation. Thousands of talented rugby talent just disappeared. WORLD RUGBY DOMINATION !!
With all due respect. The real heroes are those SARU players who boycotted the system and refused to be used as window dressing. Because of them our players today have opportunity. Sport was used as a serious form of boycott and the above players that was not affiliated to SaRU were not allowed to play for their colored schools back then.
mmm...
I respectfully disagree. Errol Tobias and the others were not window dressing. They were picked on merit and kept the hope alive for a team that is purely picked on merit. They served as heroes for a generation of school boys, whether we were black, white, or coloured.
They did not only contribute to the sport, but also helped to change people's perceptions of each other "on both sides of the fence":.
That said, the SARU players were heroes too. Too bad that we did not get to see them play... 😞
Strange that black players who accepted the old rugby board names get mentioned .while others suffered.eg. salie lippe ,cassiem jabaar,napoleon ,majola etc ..
Well, you just mentioned them
I met Errol Tobias - and, in fact, every member of the touring team - when the Springboks visited New Zealand on that tumultuous tour of 1981. That was the best Springbok team I have ever seen in my lifetime, and better than the team that I saw last year in Auckland, even though that fine team won the World Cup. If not for the endless protests, I think that the 1981 Springbok team would have beaten us at home. For context, the All Blacks had an outstanding team in 1981. That third test at Eden Park was unforgettable, a tale of two halves, with a Cessna dropping flour bombs on the field throughout. Obviously, Errol was never going to play in the 1981 test series as Naas Botha was the man with a mortgage on the number 10 shirt, and Naas was easily the best player in the world in his position at that time. I also saw Errol play for the President's XV against England at Twickenham in 1984. He was in superb form. The Springbok players in that team were in their pomp, none more so than Danie Gerber, the best center I ever saw play rugby. Errol played well when Danie was alongside him. Great to see some footage of that match on here. My brother and I met Rob Louw in the Twickenham carpark after the match. My brother regularly corresponded with Rob in those days after Rob gave him a Springbok jersey on the 1981 tour. One can only wonder how untouchable the Springboks would have been had they allowed players who were not white to play for them throughout their history. Scary thought!
Avril williams the uncle of chester .christie noble spoed se baas jp pietersen uncle.damn we got robbed of not seeing the likes of peter jooste and gary bosshoff in their pump.tjankyou goodness we seeing cheslin kolbe and lukhanyo am nowadays
Thanks for sharing this footage. It helps highlight these players as the SA Rugby legends that they are.
Thanks for the names! Too young too have seen these players, now I can go look them up.
Rugbyyyyyy!
I feel for you, Real rugby. Try to do something nice and got political backlash and greviences. No good deed go's unpunished. Errol Tobias was a pioneer.
One thing I've learned Koos is that you can't please all of the people all of the time, you an only please some of the people some of the time. Luckily, the majority of folks supporting this channel are all legends. I don't really care about the rest
Hear hear or is it here here, anyway I agree 100%.
What about all the true rugby heroes under the banner of SARU SACOS?
What about them?
Please showcase them too, people that played rugby according to the law of day. And which slogan was no normal sport in an abnormal society
Absolutely. Send me videos of these players playing and I'll happily update the video
brings great memories from the Time of WP , tinus linee Solly geduld , hennie shields wilfred cupido pompies jerome paarwater
South African Rugby would have dominated World Rugby during 1970s and 1980s if we never had Apartheid.
Who knew about Errol Tobias.....
I remember him well.
I remember him and Chester very well, great players
Hennie Shields lives in Strand, one of my moms good friends. He is still a giant
Was one very gifted fly half
Jip. He got his big break in 1983 with Naas Botha out of Rugby.
China Bell👌
Some great players 👏... Tobias was a genius
I was coached by Wilfred cupido, what a gentleman
Very underrated player in his prime
These are all great players but not the pioneers of black and colloured rugby. They will tell you themselves.
There were even greater players that played for the non racial teams.
How many times did wp liga won the currie cup? Or play in the A section of the currie cup?
Norman Mbiko? Mxolisi Mekuto?
No comments??????
Dolly Ntaka?
Het ongelukkig nie beeldmateriaal van hom nie Gerhard
Grootste doos
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Sorry this is not the true reflection of rugby in our country . Too many Sacos legends that were better than them . Normal sport in an abnormal society
Never claimed for this to be any reflection on anything. It's just a collection of clips of good players who did manage to break through during the isolation years
Shit clips you not doing justice to coloureds
Thank you for this vid. Another excellent showing.
I thought Coloureds, Indians and Africans were black?
Thank you so much for this. I have heard of some of these names but have never seen them play. This is so cool to see.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the support
@@RealRugby where can a person access the full videos of these matches?
@@darrinroman796 not too sure, maybe the SABC will have it in their archives
They must bring that yellow Springbok jersey back
That is not a Springbok jersey
As RR said, not a Springbok jersey, it’s the Proteas (I think)………????
Yes you are right.that yellow jersey was the kind of springbok jersey for coloured players. I called a trophy jersey because the coloured players were seen as second best
'Coloured'?! 🤔
Yes, and?
Yes. And?
I'm assuming your question is coming from outside of South Africa, the racial breakdown works like this, the Bantu/negroid tribes are classed as black, those of Indian decent are Indian, those of European decent are called whites, the coloureds are those of original khoi/San bloodlines and also those of Malay decent. During apartheid Indian, coloured and black people were marginalised, post apartheid white Indian and coloured peoples are marginalised, so in effect, the coloured and Indian folk in SA have had a really sh@t deal.
Great memories ...
A similar article about the white and Indian and coulerd soccer players in the same time period would be interesting, I am sure top Soccer is reserved for blacks for practical purposes. Bottom line: Culture is likely more significant than political reasons.
'Practical reasons' - please explain what you mean by this.
During that time period? Almost certainly not!
There's a multi-episode SuperSport documentary on the development of professional soccer in SA. I vehemently suggest you watch it, for "practical purposes", i.e. informing your opinion.
The SA team that won the 1996 AFCON was captained and coached by white men, I was 7 years old at the time and probably only gave it a real thought in my 20s.
Which is to say it wasn't a talking point.
So yes, there were white teams and black teams but they played in the same league.
For the practical reasons you mentioned, there were then the top white players who made it into the black teams who had more financial muscle.