Far Left Journalist Calls Destiny Racist/Fascist/Zionist After Debate IMPLODES
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- DEBATE: Destiny debates journalist Dan Cohen who tries every trick in the book including using every bad label and gotcha clips
Date: 8 Nov, 2023
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that guy was no different than a flat earther.
Well the title isn't wrong...
Discount Tim Pool aka Destiny/Steven Ball licker Barnard is a racist closted Republican fascist that does love fascist European Jews...
He did forget the part about you being a fence riding shill though.
Where did Tiny find this emotionally stunted man-child? 😂 What a weasel.
Was building an military force bigger than the combined Arab forces by 1947 an act of aggression? If not, why was the increase of Arab forces a justified reason for the pre-emptive strikes that started the 6 day war?
"Jewish requests for access to their holy places during the period of British rule of Palestine were focused on the Western Wall, not on the Temple Mount, which was, in any case, off-limits according to the Jewish prohibition against entering the latter. The struggle between Muslims and Jews was concentrated on the latter's desire to secure regulated access to the wall on the mount's western side.[5] As early as 1920, rabbi Avraham Yitzhak ha-Kohen Kook stated that though in other hands, the Temple Mount would eventually come into Jewish possession, a declaration which was interpreted by the mufti Amin al-Husseini as evidence of a political plot to wrest control of the Haram itself. In the ensuing period, the Temple Mount became something of a "state within a state" which the British authorities would not enter even when it became the centre for the Arab Revolt, until the mufti fled the site.[5] The King's Order-in-Council issued by the government authorities of Mandatory Palestine in 1934 regulated the legal situation of the site by confirming the religious status quo regarding sovereignty reigning from Ottoman times.[7]" - Wikipedia.
Hamas stooge is a Hamas stooge.
“Jews are historically the aggressors!”
“When have Jews been the aggressors historically?”
“Ummm…. Uhhh… let’s talk about right now.”
Actual clown behaviour
Even right now he would be wrong.
@@blickluke IDK the lines of whats alt right vs mainstream lefty beliefs is blured with this conflict
@@blicklukeRight?
I like how he is so dumbfounded by the question, like it has never been asked in the cirklejerks he inhabits, then he realizes that he doesn't even have a good answer (very telling body language). It's not even like it's impossible to argue that Zionist have been the aggressors at times through history, but he is so blinded by the narrative that they have always been the aggressors, he thinks it's not even worth looking into.
Maybe they were aggressors when, according to the Torah and the Bible, the people of Israel wiped out the 7 tribes of Canaan...but that was several thousands of years ago.
You likely can find cases of Jews being aggressors, but compared to Muslims being aggressors...whew.
Not sure what’s more laughable: this guy’s meltdown, or how much intellectual authority he believes he has due to being a journalist. He embodies everything wrong with journalism.
True . As a Jew I can tell you he is absolutely wrong about everything he said . I Can’t tell if he is brainwashed or evil .
although appealing to authority can be helpful in certain situations (ex. a pilot on a plane), when it's used to get a point in a conversation it's almost a telltale sign that you've run out of arguments
enemy of the people
@@sek3ymisek3ymihe's erev rav
Does destiny have intellectual authority playing elden ring? Does that make him knowledgeable about geopolitics?
“Racist, Fascist, Zionist, ist, ist, ist”
Yep.. this guy is definitely a journalist that’s for sure!
It's the Play set if someone disagrees with you. 😂
and all the other ists...
@@sheevpalpatine8243 according to some people on the internet I'm literally worse than hitler.
Can we start using Journal-ist as a similar slur
@@bc9554 I almost automatically think they're full of shit if they spew off at the mouth .
This dude being a journalist is actually a problem
I mean he literally worked for "russia today", don't know why Destiny even tried to talk to him
@Iovboretskee still wants to hold some kind of dignity that the title journalist used to hold.
This guy isn't a journalist by any standard, from how to why the conflict starting, all the way to Jewish holy sites this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
My guy, this is what most journalism is. Everyone has known it for years.
Now that the IDF has found Hamas base under Shifah hospital... all the journalists in the west are quiet
@@greenpepeknightRT is still more trustworthy than the NYT
He destroyed any journalistic integrity he had with this debate.
Are you saying he had any in the first place?
@@RanEncounter no. :)
He is not a journalist. Where did he study journalism, what are his credentials? he is a jumped up activist blogger
I like how he just justify the iraq expels jews because they bombed them but cannot see any reason at all on why israel doesn't want extremist in their country
He is not a Journalist, he is a propagandist.
Dan calling himself a journalist holds the same weight as Saint & Sinner calling himself a technologist. Absolute joke of human being.
Enough Tea. Enough TeaWHAT IS AN NFT?!
Nah for real they both have the same energy. Not interested in the convo but what they can get out of it. This guy started asking for donations after tweeting his clip
@@grizfu906 "plays piano*
@@grizfu906that guy was a giga chad
You never created an NFT using the command line, little buddy.
It's painfully blatant that this guy was just trying to farm clips. Dude was foaming at the mouth for em
@@MuscleboundKage yea there was no real discussion to be had there, he's only concerned with scolding people by saying "yeah well um I lived in Gaza, checkmate nerd"
Pretty sure he got his clip and then had botted likes on twitter as well 😂 it seemed like it had a lot of likes way too fast but maybe that’s just cause the topic
Destiny got washed... it was embarrassing! You gotta know when to yield to a more knowledgeable authority.
@@HotOutDaBox lmao totes
It’s ridiculous, he literally levied accusations against Destiny such as interrupting and being uneducated and putting words in his mouth, while DOING THE SAME THING NOT 10 MINUTES BEFORE
This guy is clearly an activist. He’s knows better than to let facts stand in his way.
That's what journalism is today
@@OnceUponReddit nah, even Alex jones reads msm articles all day
He is a blogger not a journalist as he likes to call himself.
@@ANTIStraussiandon't get Katt Williams started on reading articles
They do like to feel important 😂
37:12 this is my favorite line, "You don't know anything about Judaism or Zionism."
After spending half an hour calling him a Zionist 😒
It’s a crazy timeline when a “journalist” holds himself to lower professional standards than a streamer
Have you seen journalism lately?
Yeah there aren't many standards to be held that are left
"I'm an honest man, trust me."
a streamer who calls for genocide of Palestinians...colonial defender
These days "journalists" are just streamers without streams
He went straight to Twitter once he got his clips. Discourse on this topic brings out the worst in some people.
And the main clip he put out anyone with half a brain would be asking "Wtf is wrong with you?"
Yeah dude, never discuss/debate people on this topic ever. Its rarely worth it
It's sad that destiny is correct, this dude only cares about the clicks and 5 minute internet fame, and if that means promoting and supporting a terrorist group then fuck it I guess
Destiny got washed... it was embarrassing! You gotta know when to yield to a more knowledgeable authority.
@@HotOutDaBox He did? Where though? Dude Dan went off the rails in an embarrassing fashion when he just commits himself to completely missing what Steve is telling from the get-go and just commits himself to that blindly for the rest of the time. It was weird.
Racist, nazi, facist, almost got my leftist bingo.
Ikr: best part it was "you're racist for defending the existence of Jews, you're a Nazi for defending Jews defending themselves and you're are a fascist for thinking limited government and individualism is better than complete state oversight and authoritarianism over any group WE deem oppressive ATM!"
Yeah definitely no national socialism there lol
I'm surprised destiny didn't just cut the conversation off after 10 minutes
One ableist away!
On an honest note. I'd like an actual leftist bingo card.
If that guy is a journalist then I’m Astro-physicist 😂
I’m an Astro physicist. I look at the stars all the time! I visited the telescope for like 3 days!!!
I believe you, since you are going places and not "live in your living room" and stream all day.
Cool, I'm a Gemini
Im stuff
"Then", not "than".
The moment he started shouting "youre racist" shows that he really ran out of what to say
He is right. Destiny said we should bomb children in Gaza just shows how you are a destiny brownsnose
Dude basically getting his facts from the Muslim Brotherhood based on what he was saying.
That's the tactic of every moron on the back foot during an argument.
These dudes are never interested in a conversation, they wanna preach until they get challenged so they can throw insults. I'm sure him fishing for clips and gotchas is gonna save a lot of Palestinians and not just feed his own ego and wallet.
This dude gives off major "Bro, I did a Potemkin village tour of Gaza and Hamas were totally chill" vibes.
That’s because Hamas new he was a “good” journalist.
Destiny: Ben Franklin is famously quoted saying Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Is he anti-democracy?
Dan: Wow you’re calling Palestinians wolves? You’re racist
Fucking kill me omg. This is what TikTok clip farming brain rot has brought upon us
Social media are a death of rational thought.
Horseshoe theory much?
This dude needs a nut house and medication. My brain almost just melted as he talked. He wouldn’t even win a debate with a 1st grader. He would start screaming and crying when the 1st grader made better arguments than him. Holy shit lol.
did you see the clip where destiny says explicitly "I am pro-genocide"?
Destiny with no effort won this debate… fella on the other side threw a tantrum.
this guy is so insanely psychopathic the sad part is that there's people on twitter who think this guy did good.
not just twitter either, seen some braindead comments here lol
i legit am on his side and his lack of knowledge is depressing
he's not a journalist, he's an activist cosplaying as a journalists.
Isn’t that most journalists?
This is what happens when a profession pays nothing
@@Copemaxerno, the truth is the truth. Journalists are supposed to find truth and report it, not build a narrative around selective facts.
@@ImKevPev Are you talking about what should be, or what is?
Cuz I'm pretty sure @Copemaxer was asking about the latter.
Eh, I think a lot of journalists have been strongly activist. It's just that we agree with their causes.
In every single debate I see on this topic, the pro-Palestine side seems deeply deranged
Bc it’s a deranged opinion. They view the moderate 2 state solution opinion as genocidal but every attack is a confession for them
It’s funny how people still think “I’m a journalist” is something that gives them authority rather than something they must live down.
Appeal and heel to my authoritieeeeee
It’s ok to be a journalist, but you still have to prove your knowledge and objectivity.
He has no credentials. He is literally an activist blogger.
Even TH-camr greenisnotnick calls himself a journalist, and look what happened to him recently. Lol
@@bruhdabones I agree its okay to be one, but it used to be more than okay. They used to be hated, and had actual threats against their lives because they pushed against authority. Now they still want that clout of brazen risk takers pursuing truth, but they are largely just overly-educated propaganda filters for whoever pays them.
I mean, this guy is the hallmark of the type of journalism that has caused the public distrust in journalism, regardless of political leaning.
@@xabhax What makes you think that?
He’s awful.. just awful..
@@tm5123his general behavior, at least as displayed in this conversation, goes against some of the more important core values of Journalism
"No racist admits they're racist"....
Actually yes, yes they do. People who are genuinely racist will readily admit they're racist, because they think they're right.
A racist person doesn't believe that they're racist, they believe that other races are inferior.
"It's not racist, it's just true."
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor
That’s them admitting that they’re racists without using the word “racists.” They will go on about how they’re superior or others are inferior or about segregation and they’re open about it. They won’t hide behind jokes/dogwhistles, they will just flat out tell you. I’m pretty sure that’s what OP meant.
@@jdjenk04 my point is just that they can do all that without believing that they *are* being racist.
What do you call it when destiny thinks there's something inherently wrong with Palestinians that they can't coexist with Israelis?I call it racist
@@nour00093No, thats not racist at all and thats just being a realist base on all events happened in the region and history in the last 100 years regarding the conflicts and war happening within the region. You don't put 2 groups of people that are aggressive toward each other and give power to only 1 group of people. That is just wrong and asking for the total destruction of the other group. This is the reason why a 2 state solution is required.
I've never seen someone go from relatively cordial to aggressively unhinged in such a short amount of time. I don't even know what caused it.
"Honestly I'm pro-genocide"
He started losing
That destiny wouldn’t let got of the question “what do you think would happen in a one state solution?”
But that guy lives in lalaland, democracies have historically been extremely difficult to put in place and usually involved lots of bloodshed.
i have. Cenk.
The guy spent months in Gaza. How could you last that long in that unhinged place without being already unhinged yourself?
I saw this guy's fanboys on Twitter acting like he ''owned'' Destiny, but after watching this I am now more convinced that these ''anti-imperialist'' pro Russia/China Tankie types think having annoying breakdowns and strawmanning your opponents until they give up trying to reason with you is a winning tactic in debates.
Explains a lot, really.
I just went and had a look. Clearly none of them watched the debate. Absolute brain rot on twitter as usual.
@@synony6they Keep using Twitter? Lol
If good faith was a religion, this guy would be Richard Dawkins.
Hot damn
As a Jew and someone who has studied Jewish theology and history this guy talking to Destiny has no damn idea what the hell he is talking about with Zionism and the Temple Mount and anything regarding Judaism.
True . Bringing up the satmar rebbe made me lol
Care to fill us non Jews in ?
@@ronniekregar3482 quoting the Satmar rebbe as an authority on Judaism would be like going to the Mormon church as the authority on Christianity.
Let’s just say , the Satmar Hasidic sect are known for child abuse and not their intellectual contributions .
Nah, they are more akin to authorizing the Westboro Baptist Church for Christianity. Comparing them to Mormons is too charitable
@@tristanortiz511 haha true
The fact that this guy calls himself a journalist is an indictment of what we call journalism these days.
He absolutely felt like he destroyed destiny with the clip on his phone on twitter after this
"LOOK AT THIS 30 SECOND CLIP THAT YOU HIDE FROM YOUR FANS!" As the subreddit has talked about it constantly since squirrels tweet.
Lol Destiny did it to himself… “I’m pro Genocide” that’s the team y’all are on rn smh
@@cosmocube8199yep definitely wasnt a joke made months before Oct 7th, which he then clarified his position 10sec after the clip ends
@@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard lol that was damage control but okay
@@cosmocube8199 no, he clarified his point in the video the clip is from 10sec after the clip is cut, not his position now it's from the same video, the clip is dishonest af
You can tell how right a person is by how many questions they avoid with accusations of genocidal ideation, and fascism.
You can also determine how racist, hateful, etc they actually are themselves. Projection is 80% of their perception.
Isn’t this what has been thrown at republicans for the past 7+ years?
@@psychegoddessoflight9358yeah the catchphrases on TikTok and parrot talking points, I piss them off when I tell them their acting just like maga republicans they self destruct so fast.
Destiny is a Zionist jew worshipper though.
You mean you can tell how left they are.😂
Imagine being a self proclaimed journalist and having to scream “I am a Journalist” to justify said title😂😂😂
Well he has to spell it out to destiny fanboys who watch a streamer with wiki search skills and think he has any idea about any subject.
@@jonz23m What does it say about you that Wikipedia knowledge is still more than the one you have lol.
@@adamastor9869 what does it say about you that you think you nailed it with that air head comment😂. But thanks for confirming my point, a dunning kruger infested community of wiki experts circle jerking 🤡
STEVEN I AM A JOURNALIST, I AM A JOURNALIST, I AM A JOURNALIST STEVEN
@@smeminem1258 I AM I AM I AM A JOURNALIST!!! DR. HANN I AM A JoURNaLIST😂😂😂😂
These days, calling someone any kind of "ist" or "Phobe", is a tacit admission of intellectual defeat
35:17 Him interpreting the quote as Destiny saying Jews are lambs and Palestinians are wolves was insane to me, It was to point out you can criticize democracy while supporting it but this guys huge journalistic brain couldn't process that information.
It's not that he couldn't. He intentionally switched tactics to that interpretation so he could avoid answering the question. He was bad faith from beginning to end.
Evil is disingenuous. He knew exactly what he was doing. Name-calling to pivot when he got caught. Far Left debate tactics 101.
@@nopenope5601 I actually disagree. I genuinely don't think he has the intelligence to be fully cognizant of that. He heard the word "wolf", his monkey brain clicked two neurons together (despite that not being how neurons even work), and he went apeshit on it without even understanding the analogy. The genuine sincerity isn't mutually exclusive with being bad faith, mind. If he had been willing to apply literally *any* intellectual rigor he wouldn't have made that presumption. But I include "unwilling to look past the headline" as part of lacking intelligence and running purely on hindbrain instinct. He knows he doesn't need to be more than smooth brained, and so he doesn't try.
This is probably the first time I've ever heard anyone refer Arabs as wolves for racist remarks as opposed to something that has been commonly used before.
100%. That argument reminded me of 8 year old me trying to annoy my younger brother.
What an embarrassment to journalists
And an embarrassment to Jews . Every thing he said was incorrect
I don't think he's any different from any other journalist... they are all subhuman scum
to be fair, journalists are usually the ones that embarrass fellow journalists today. journalism is not what it was originally intended at the moment…it’s all activism and what will get clicks. infuriating.
😂 his wildest position is that he believed Hamas aren’t antisemitic bc they let him live among them for a few months to use him for propaganda
SHOUIGUUUUUUUUUUU!
I was with this guy until the claim he made about the Temple Mount having nothing to do with the western wall then conceding it was the western wall of the Temple Mount. That to me signified two things 1- Dan Cohen is not keeping himself in check with regards to motivated reasoning- important thing to do as a journalist and 2. He was more than willing to use the ignorance of his interlocutor as a weapon against him rather than being able to rely on the facts as he saw them. I think he underestimated Steven’s confidence in his knowledge, and panicked a bit and then started with that ad hominem “you’re not a jew” “are you a scholar?” “I’m a journalist who has been in Gaza so I know what I’m talking about” implying Steven couldn’t be right because he’s not as well informed or committed to the topic. It’s not always wrong to discredit an opponent on the basis of credentials, but it’s usually weak and when you reach for it in a debate really matters. If you use it as a pivot and make one accusation after another, you are essentially conceding that you don’t have any good counter arguments.
Fact 💯
He is off about the temple mount .. I live in the most religious area in Jlm.. I cant even take my smartphone out of my pocket in some places here. Lol there thousands of anecdotes from the time of the Tannaim of jews going to the kosel.
Also the punishment of being on the kodeshkodeshim isnt the worst. Idolworship is the worst according to the rambam.. he is very arrogant
This guy was like a real life chatGPT of Twitter talking points
"Israel collaborated with the Nazi party" Destiny really should have jumped on this, because that sounds like a slip of a Holocaust denier.
Because that's what all of this will boil down to. Antisemitism. There's no reason why so many are demonizing Israel to this extent.
For real
Israel didn't exist back then...
@@marcsman07The Nazis wanted to repatriate European Jews to Israel or Madagascar. This isn't Holocaust denial it's a matter of historical record.
Lehi, one of the main Zionist militias which conducted terrorist attacks, formed an alliance with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.
They even proposed to fight on Germany's behalf in exchange of Jewish state in Palestine, and to recruit 40,000 Jews occupied by Germany to oust Britain from Palestine.
Dan Cohen's Twitter post on Oct. 7:
"I 100% support Palestinian resistance. No one can defeat me in a debate on Zionism and Palestinian resistance."
If this is him debating, yikes.
Wow. Proceeds to get demolished by a league of legends player that has read a bunch of wikipedia for a few days lmfao
@@eatu4tea brother, if you watch this same debate from Dan's perspective - Destiny lost hard, he had to literally run from the call. It was one of the weakest Destiny debates and a huge L from neutral observers perspective.
@@Dazzglethat is one reading. The other is that after being name called Destiny lost faith of the discussion beinng productivw and just decided to not waste time. Your reading is very one sided.
@@Dazzgle I don't know how the hell you can get this interpretation, he was wrong about 90% of the things he asserted he was correct on, particularly the bullshit about "praying at the the western wall is a zionist invention" bullshit, which is the most absurd thing i've ever heard in my life. He comes off as nothing more than a jew hating american jew, which seems in abundance lately, he just likes being able to use "zionist" in place of "jew", he came off as a child this entire fucking debate.
the debate was literally going nowhere when dan just refused to answer any questions and talks about irrelevant stuff and accusing destiny with a bunch of buzzwords with no basis. thats was a smart decision to remove him.@@Dazzgle
Just wanted to clarify: the guy who was saying all the rabbi’s opposed Israel and praying at the western wall was completely lying. There were some who disagreed and there were some who agreed (in fact, some encouraged). He made it seem very black and white when it’s actually a very complex argument.
And he lied by making it seem like the Temple Mount wasn't a Jewish Holy site preceding the Arab claims to it. This ironically is what caused the riots in the 1920s where a bunch of Jews were killed by Muslims because Muslims were trying to take over the mount. They love trying to co-opt Jewish history.
This guy is nothing more than an activist.
Like a lot of “journalists” unfortunately.
Welcome to the entire left wing.
You thinking only one side does this makes you look as foolish as this guy does.
I missed the part where u explain how that's a bad thing, or do u not know why it may be a bad thing and are just repeating the memes u heard in destiny chat.
Lincoln was an activist, Regan was an activist, the qanon shaman was also an activist. Pls learn what words mean before you use them.
@@TheNewblade1an activist on this topic always indicates some sort of BIAS.
We don’t what words mean, you don’t need to be autistic
I love how he so confidently states destiny is wrong about when Israel was declared, but then you can just go back and check the vod. He just completely misunderstands a point (i don't even know how honestly) and rolls with it for the rest of the conversation. Only in the gotcha business. Actually gonna give Destiny allot of credit for trying to bring the conversation back after he starts screaming about him "opposing" democracy and being a racist.
Considering all the times he downplays or downright rejects the notion that Hamas engages in terror, it would be easy to just shut him down as a Hamas sympathizer, but Destiny actually engages with him until he starts shouting.
Destiny got washed... it was embarrassing! You gotta know when to yield to a more knowledgeable authority.
@@HotOutDaBoxif you are yielding to a guy like that you must be seeing nothing but the ground when you're in the presence of a person with an IQ higher than 12
He either never had a clue on any if this or is a grifter. Example: "Prayer at the Western Wall is a Zionist invention" when a quick google search shows that the first mentions of this practice is in 1625.
@@HotOutDaBox This isn't twitter or tiktok man, this type of simple "he won/lost the debate" (without any clarification) isn't gonna work. We have the entire footage, not just some random clips.
This isn't even a real debate about anything substantial. The way he just declares that a one-state solution is gonna work out great for everyone, while denying the potential problems is laughably ahistorical. There is nothing to be gained after that.
He was so happy to have that win that he absolutely failed to see he won nothing.
This guy got what he wanted but he still looked like a fool.
"So what you're saying is ...," this guy is a real disgrace to the jewish tradition
"So how would you convince Israelis that a one state solution won't result in their destruction?"
"Look at them right now, they're already being destroyed."
Oh, yeah, THAT will change minds.
"WhY aRe YoU a ZiOnIsT?"
-minutes later
"YoU dOn'T kNoW aNyThInG aBoUt ZiOnIsM!"
What a lobotomite.
Pro-Hamas Crypto Tankie: “I want objective facts.”
Destiny: *states objective facts*
Pro-Hamas Crypto-Tankie: “Why are you so racist?”
The only objective fact I know of in this conflict is that Destiny is a girl's name.
How do you become a crypto-tankie? isn't that like an oxymoron?
Hamas warlord with Israeli blood on his nipples: "The existence of Israel is what causes all that pain, blood, and tears. Therefore, nobody should blame us for the things we do."
Pro-Hamas Crypto-Tankie: "All they want is a 2 state solution for all sides to live in peace."
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIIIBeing any kind of tankie is an oxymoron, tbh
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIIInah socialists are in favor of crypto because it’s decentralized and therefore to them, it’s socialized money but they don’t take into consideration all the negatives of crypto, and the tankie part is self explanatory.
Dan thinks Hamas isn’t wantonly killing Jews because he lived through his visit to Gaza as a Jew…when the real reason they didn’t kill him was because he was an American. Dude is lost in the sauce.
Edit: we do know where the location of the holy of holies is, it’s where the Dome of the Rock sits
They didn't kill him because he's a pro "resistance" journalist coming from the west, basically they ideal tool to spread an anti Israeli rhetoric. Ham ass knows perfectly the background of every journalist living in Gaza for such long time. The fact that as a Jew he wasn't hurt or kidnapped represents a giant red flag, the current jew population in Gaza is 0 but, somehow, a Jew journalist can freely and peacefully live 7 months in ham ass territory.
Bro I saw this debate high as fuck last night and it was a ride 🤣
The best way to consume online political debates is inebriated
penjamin city is the only place i can enjoy this from
You aren't alone lol. This shit is our Netflix
@@EricTitansSmithIt’s the kind of content I have on in the background more often than not, and often have playing on my headphones going to sleep 😅
@@AVspectre Facts. I'll glance now and then while working remotely through the day
damn, he really didnt want to let destiny talk, just ramble and moral grandstand, what a joke.
Unfortunately no matter how bad he looked in this full length debate, I could easily see how this could be edited to show basically whatever he wants, very gross behavior.
Who?
@@GOONGGWPhim. You know, that guy. ☝️
@jonsimpson6240 true, my bad
Destiny is a breath of fresh air. Never thought I'd agree with a progressive or self-proclaimed progressive but this guy is growing on me. I'll definitely watch more of his content
He’s not progressive he’s centrist you fool
for a professional, this guy was kind of disappointing. Maybe insulting the person you're having a conversation makes sense in the journalism world, but that's not what you do when you're trying to be taken seriously. You don't tell someone how much more you know, you display how much more you know. You don't tell someone how much better you are, you display your abilities and the audience sees it for themself. It's like telling someone they can trust you or that you're a good person. That's a waste of time. They'll figure that out on their own if that's how you come off. This guy wasted a lot of time on making himself look worse for no reason
Insulting the person you’re talking to doesn’t make sense in journalism either. I’ve never taken a course on it and I’m not a journalist, but it seems to me that if you’re interviewing anybody that insulting them blatantly isn’t gonna do anything. I’m pretty sure it’ll cause them to shut down. You can give a really hardball interview without insulting anyone.
Guy is an RT propagandist, they all jumped ship from covering the Ukraine War into now being Israel Palestine experts.
@@ChipCheerioyou would think so, but this guy is using the fact that he’s a journalist as a reason he’s a more qualified thinker on this topic than a TH-camr. I assume he’s treating this as seriously as if he was reporting on it for his job. It sounds like his tactics here are his professional tactics as well, which makes me question his credibility as a professional. I’m admittedly making the mistake of confounding professional with someone who can think clearly. Presidents can be idiots, streamers can be idiots, lawyers and journalists can be idiots. It was unfair for me to assume being a journalist meant you didn’t make the most rudimentary thinking mistakes. There’s probably some useful rhetoric in making those kinds of mistakes. It worked really well for President Trump in the US, for example.
I thought "actions speak louder than words" was a popular saying.
Not popular enough I guess.
@@ChipCheerio That would make sense if he had been seeking an interview with Destiny. However, it sounds like Destiny was seeking an interview with him. Given that, it makes no sense for him to follow the rules used for interviewing someone. He's not seeking information, Destiny is seeking it.
Love how you can always see in debates like this where one side realizes they aren’t doing well so they switch to trying to discredit their opponent.
Is this similar to what they have been doing to trump and republicans?
@@oneofthosepeople2101 not even close no.
@@oneofthosepeople2101 No, it’s far easier to point out the stupidity on those two.
As soon as he said why are you a Zionist you knew it was over
Yeah but was this a debate? He said "I can give u 30 minutes b/f dinner," doesn't sound like he was seeking a debate.
Feels like he is stuck being the high school journalist in high school, with worse journalism.
You are mocking high school journalists here.
I'd actually be pretty embarrassed to call myself a journalist with that kind of attitude and behavior.
The only impressive thing about him was his ability to commit nearly every logical fallacy in existence
It's hilarious this guy thought he was the one being interrupted. The complete lack of self awareness is staggering.
The poor guy doesn't know Hamas played him like a pawn for 7 months
Nah, he knows. All these people know.
Seeing the reality in Gaza must be soul crushing, I would probably start getting a bit radicalized too. When he said "racists don't admit they are racist" I would have countered; "did you apply that thinking to Hamas interacting with them in the strip?"
It's like when people go to North Korea, get the state sanctioned "tourist parade" and leave thinking it's not a shithole because they were driven around fake frontstores.
He is an RT shill, he doesn't care about the issue at all, just spreading propaganda.
The irony of your statement. 🤣 You don't see how you've been played by the Zionists.
Destiny, i don't agree with you on much, but I've been watching more of your content lately because you are one of the most reasonable people on this topic. This guy was so bad faith, constantly deflecting your legitimate questions and talking over you. I was rooting for you this whole video
I always find it crazy that journalists go after Destiny by calling him racist, fascist, homophobic, sexist, etc, when not only has he shown those claims are not true, but that he stands in opposition to the very things they go after him for. Unfortunately there is one big topic journalists have not confronted him on that I'd like to hear discussed, and that is the fact that Destiny is a girl's name.
edit: a word
He used to have blue hair and let Tyrone and Chad take turns on his girl he’s super progressive
Without fail , those who accuse others of X are actually confessing their own possession of X, without realizing it.
@@RobiePezzosnot sure what that has to do with political ideology.
@@NickKautz unlike most, I will admit I am guilty of what I'm accusing Destiny for here. Bobert is a girl's name as well
I was referring to the guy in the video accusing Destiny of all those things, so maybe I need to change my theory to "spiteful accusation". I could tell yours was playful not in bad faith. But since we're here, Lauren Boebert would like to have a word.@@BobertRads
Every once in awhile you get the legally insane to come on your stream. Always a fun watch
Everyone on the far-left and right are legally insane.
"Honestly I'm pro-genocide"
Dude is just straight up wrong about "Jews didn't pray at the Western Wall until Zionism." The notes thing is more modern (though potentially as far back as the mid-1700s), but *praying* at the western wall was a long-established practice.
Chronicle of Ahimaaz (c. 1050 AD): "He devoted to the Most High, that it might be counted as righteousness unto him, by Him that rideth upon the clouds, 20000 drachmae for... [inter alia] the oil of the sanctuary, at the western wall of the inner altar"
Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela (12th century): "Jerusalem has four gates-the gate of Abraham, the gate of David, the gate of Zion, and the gate of Gushpat, which is the gate of Jehoshaphat, facing our ancient Temple, now called Templum Domini. Upon the site of the sanctuary Omar ben al Khataab erected an edifice with a very large and magnificent cupola, into which the Gentiles do not bring any image or effigy, but they merely come there to pray. In front of this place is the western wall, which is one of the walls of the Holy of Holies. This is called the Gate of Mercy, and thither come all the Jews to pray before the wall of the court of the Temple."
Saw the Twitter reaction to how this ended and you'd think this guy destroyed and exposed Destiny by how people were talking, and how many were talking.
6 inch titanium-walled echo chamber.
Dan Cohen - '"I'M ACSHUALLY A JOURNALIST"
Everyone else - "Uh-huhhhh" ☠️
you cant mention palestinian citizenship in jordan without acknowledging black september, where palestinian fighters tried to overthrow the jordanian government and topple the king. they do not want palestinians as many of them are radicalised
Same reason why Egypt closed the border to Gaza. They don't want Hamas or groups like it running around their country.
Yes & you can’t mention their citizenship in Egypt without mentioning their similar efforts & work with the brotherhood
That dude had a total meltdown. Also just because he takes “trips” over to the Middle East doesn’t give him anymore ground to stand on.
If anything it makes him look more of a propagandist.
"They were nice to meeeeee" yes because you spread propaganda for them.
He only survived in Gaza because he spouts Hamas propaganda.
I love how just because he's Jewish he's trying to tell Destiny what is what, and shame him- even though he doesn't know what's what. I was born and raised as an orthodox Jew in Israel (not religious anymore and live in the states), and would love to be able to teach him a thing or 2 about Judaism. The Satmer Rebbe and "Neturei Karta" are both fringe Ultra orthodox communities who believe that only God can bring the 3rd temple for the Jews. They object to everything man is doing in order to bring back the messiah and build a new temple. But let me tell you what, they still believe God will bring that temple, and I don't think they expect there to be room or place for Palestinians. They will expect a Jewish state to be managed and run by God and religion "as it once was".
Destiny getting a taste of what it’s like to argue with a leftist
Good on destiny, dude went over the 30 minute limit he set. Hope his family enjoyed the riveting retelling of him owning destiny
His family most definitely hate him. Dude looks like a big toe on shoulders
Love it when a journalist is super wrong on a detail, and they try to use it to bully the argument
Huh? The dude brought up a clip of Destiny admitting that he wants genocide. Steven's ego has got him in a world of shit. Can support Urkaine but not Palestine.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff "admitting that he wants genocide"
Only way you people can win an argument is by lying
"Can support Ukraine but not Palestine."
Nvm, you showed me just how dumb you are
@@DontDrinkthatstuff Yeah Steven obviously lost the mark. He's insane for thinking Israel is in the right for any of this.
@@DontDrinkthatstuffThe genocide line was clearly a hyperbolic joke. He explains his position right after that. Stop being obtuse
@@noxxum Both of you clearly did not watch the whole video nor did you even see the clip in it's entirety LMAOOOO
Destiny and his fans are Dunning-Kruger definition…
They know history as much as Destiny knows about women 😂
I didn't know we were all historians.
You know what is sad is that this Dan guy believes that this Debate not only went his way but make him look good
But...but, he lived in gaza for seven months and he's jewish tho
You can deflect and obfuscate all you want from your the fact of the matter that Stephen Brunell III did in fact call for the genocide of Palestinians, watch what Dan Cohen clipped but that Destiny was to freaked out to let his fans hear.
@@treadbomb In the face of one side genociding the other he chose Jews. I take it you'd choose hamas?
@@metaempiricist Your Sophie's choice doesn't make sense, because Jews are a race/religion, Hamas is a government/terrorist body. Widdle it down a little more for me to choose which side I'd pick to have abolished.
@@treadbomb You mean whittle? And those are the choices, you don't like it go talk to hamas, they're the one's with a charter that says their goal is to eradicate the jews. As long as hamas pushes an anti jew genocidal narrative then its the jews or hamas, since as you so intelligently put it one is a race and another is a group I think I'll pick the race to keep from being eradicated myself. But go ahead and pretend there would be another choice without a complete deradicalization of hamas which isn't happening.
This clown says "every Rabbi agrees, except Zionist Rabbis", and according to him, a Zionist is any Jew that disagrees with him. So he's basically saying "every Rabbi that agrees with me agrees with me!"
No true rabbi would disagree with me 😅.
Yes. When secularists like Dan cosplay as theologians solely to get views, it’s offensive & disrespectful to actual religious ppl
Lmao so true 😂
This guy was unhiiiiiinged
That "journalist" is so bad and ignorant, he'd probably get a job at NYT😂😂
Remember that one girl from a week ago who grilled Destiny and asserted that the people he needs to be talking to are the people who are involved and have been to these places? This is why we don't do that.
TBH, people who are involved have too much stake in it that they are biased. That is why people always seek advise from third party and never asked opinion only from people involved.
To be fair, he doesn't have a lot of meat in the game, considering he's just another one of those RT aligned propagandists.
theres nothing worse than a self declared "journalist" does he have any credentials?
@@daasnahk5058See, that makes sense.
Apparently he’s a paid shill
He contributed to Al Jazeera and The Vice. But also to Russia Today America and Gray Zone so yeah.
@@sathrielsatanson666 and got his journalism degree where?
@@spiderbootsy I don't thnik he has a degree. As someone mentioned before: you don't nees to have a degree to be a good journalism and there are bad journalists with a degree.
spending "7 months in Gaza" does not make you an expert on their politics and government. Maybe he can explain where to find good lunch spots lol, but there is no way this guy went to Gaza for a few months and was given access to inside information that anyone else can't know.
7 months in Gaza definitely gives him an insight, it doesn't make you an expert but it must count for something as he is a primary source, he experienced it first hand he didn't just read a webpage or an article...
@@Era-lk1lo Well I also spent months in multiple cities in Israel, Jordan and Egypt and I would not use that to claim I have some insider knowledge that isn't already well known.
@@GnosticInformant I'd say going to Israel, Jordan and Egypt are different as they have their borders open and often have people travelling in and out, but a place like Palestine with closed boarders, where the residents aren't able to leave or have internet access I think a first person account of what is going on there is VERY important, otherwise your just listening to Hamas or Zionist reports most of which will be exaggerated, down played or a complete lie.
I'm not even sure how you disagree with me... Could you explain why you disagree?
I agree, also, you’re a heretic.
Israeli Zionist here , ex-religious. Think there is need for some clarification. Destiny was right , this guy is full of shit. Some very radical sects oppose praying in mount trample (Satmer are VERY VERY radical Orthodox Jews). It is important to remember that judaism is ethnicity, nationality c religion and culture. A Jewish person can be some of the above or all of the above. I’m an atheist jew. Raised Orthodox Jew in very religious schools. Zionism started as a secular movement acting more towards the ethnic-nationalist identity of being Jewish. They wanted to include all Jews and of course some didn’t wanted to be included but the majority definitely did. The only land everyone could agree on was of course Israel , their ancestral homeland. Back than it was names Palestine ( a colonial name given by the Romans) and 70% of it was in public ownership. Which means the ruler (ottoman and later British Empire) owned it and thus they legally purchased many areas of the land. The British agreed to give undisclosed territory in undisclosed time to the Jews for a state as well as the Arabs (and that’s how Jordan was created). Starting WW2 the Jews in Israel/Palestine worked hard to save other Jews from EU. The Arabs objected anyway they could. Many were Hitler supporters. It’s important to know that by then there was a shift even among the most religious Jews of the radical sects. Why? Because the reason they believe they shouldn’t come back to israel is because something that call the 3 oaths that god made israel and the other nations to swear to him. One of its oath is that Israelis won’t come back to Israel before the time comes. But the other oath is that the nation of the world swears not to be especially cruel to the Jews. Now some of the even more radical sects believe the oath of the nations were broken (other sects believe it was broken long ago. After all, 3000 years old nation with only 17M Jews at the time … do the math) .
Palestine is a colonial name and most Palestinians are the descendants of mass Arab immigrants in the 19th century looking for work. That being said, Israel and the Jewish problem NEVER wanted to kick all the Arabs out. They agreed to virtually all peace agreements while the Arabs rejected them all.
Another important point I think this debate needed:
There are 22 Arab countries, not a single one is a democracy, in fact even on Palestinian Territories they don’t have a democracy. What makes anyone think the Palestinians would succeed where all the Arab nations failed ? And what makes people not to criticize Palestinian and Arabs alike for the reason democracy isn’t established along with basic human rights? There needed to be a basic strong radical shift in Palestinian mindset and the story they tell themselves before peace can be established
The irony of this guy pointing to his phone while calling someone else a clown is insane.
He went completely mask off and showed who he really was, that was honestly sad.
He got what he wanted. Twitter likes and a clip he can "brag" about. This guy never cared about journalistic integrity so yeah. Only thing one can do is never interact with these individuals.
Man after all these debates I really appreciate Lonerbox for being a sane voice for the Palestinians.
Yeah BonerCox is one of the few sane voices in the whole shitshow. It is nice to see his audiemce growing last cpuple of months.
IS LONERBOX PALESTINIAN??
@@ksilva2848he's Lebanese
I have zero respect for any arab/muslim opinion on this conflict because its beyond arrogance and ignorance. They are full of their own sh.t islamonazis
Ooof. Destiny is an angel to have this much patience.
It was funny how destiny asked him why should Israel citizens give up control of Israel and how he thinks they wouldn’t be massacred, old mate just listed off a lot of reasons why he thinks they should be massacred. It amazes me how these people act shocked when people hit back at the idea of sacrificing a country of people.
Yeah imagine Palestinians doing to Israeli's what Israel had done to them? I understand why Israeli's don't want that to happen, the irony is it shows you know how bad Palestinians have it.
@@peterjohnson5132If Israelis were in the position the Palestinians are now, they would be the international jewry depicted in every antsemitic antizionist conspiracy: with the hands in every pocket, their cronies in the left wing elite in politics and academia and the UN as its puppet.
The difference is that the Palestinians have all of that and still are considered the dregs of the earth. Sucks to suck, eh? 🎉
I too think it speaks volumes that destiny thinks the Arabs would just murder all Jews once they become a majority in a 1 state solution. It’s very telling.
destiny literally said "I am pro-genocide" in the clip he wouldnt let him show
your point is fucking wild considering destiny and you are both calling for the sacrificing of an entire country of people (Palestine)
"Israel as a country is failing, what's my evidence? Some of my friends don't like living there"
Hila from h3 did say there were big protests pre oct 7th so there is truth to that, but dan didn't give the proper evidence for it
I feel like the dude was out for blood. The attempt to make concessions was iffy
This guy from Arizona does not know what he is talking about with regards to a Jew getting an Israeli passport within a few days it takes years after you become a citizen to be eligible for an Israeli passport. It amazes me how people have opinions on something they don't know about, it's easy being an armchair know-it-all
When he kept repeating “IM A JOURNALIST” I couldn’t but think of the “I AM A SURGEON” scene 😂😂
In a debate where one party starts character attacks, they lose credibility for me. It tells me they have run out of intellectual road.
Same they lose any foundation to their argument. Noticed this last few days on TikTok when they start throwing certain terms, like “why are you a zionists?” Like this guy.
"If I were a father and had a daughter who was seduced, I should not despair over her; I would hope for her salvation. But if I had a son who became a journalist and continued to be one for five years, I would give him up."
Dan Cohen failed this miserably. He should take the L and run away.
From the start, he was hostile and eager to insult. Typical ignorance
This guy was so tense and antagonistic so fast, even when you were still just agreeing on historical fact. Can't say I'm wholly surprised the debate ended this way.
I like to imagine him sitting down eating dinner with his family after this debate, still breathing heavy through his nose as he explains how he “totally owned” some Zionist fascist online. And his parents being like “Oh yes dear you’re so smart” 😂
I have a feeling his dinner was much sadder than that.
He's a mouth breather.
We could only hope, he was a total douch
And he only had 30 mins at the start of the interview until dinner...funny how that changed.
Really hard not to interpret his answers to the "Why wouldn't they be afraid of ____" questions as "Yes, it'll happen, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."
Oh my god. Is THIS what passes as journalism nowadays?
"I've lived in the area for years". 30 seconds later: "I lived there for 7 months"
These research streams and debates have taught me if someone has to pause after a question and repeat it, it's because they have no idea how to answer it.
Or, they’re about to lie to your face 😂
Or the question is so asinine it throws your brain for a loop. “Why are you against democracy?” WTF. I need a sec to process.
Step 1: Single State Solution and unlimited migration
Step 2:
Step 3: Stability
I also love how when people bring up the fact that Egypt would Not help the Palestinians (they have their own issues with that lol) or Any Arab states, they’re just constantly deflecting back to Israel like it’s a vacuum
Or maybe since the Muslim brotherhood is banned in Egypt and hamas is an off-shoot of it, and the fringe minority of Palestinians DONT support hamas…
So he basically started realizing that he was losing and went ad homonym and called Destiny a racist. He couldn't answer the question and desperately started throwing stuff out to save face.
ad hominem
😂 His ploy to save face didn't work....
Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a personal attack as a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or background. The most common form of this fallacy is "A" makes a claim of "fact," to which "B" asserts that "A" has a personal trait, quality or physical attribute that is repugnant thereby going entirely off-topic, and hence "B" concludes that "A" has their "fact" wrong -without ever addressing the point of the debate.
Other ad hominem arguments may be encountered in specialized philosophical usage. These typically refer to the dialectical strategy of using the target's own beliefs and arguments against them, while not agreeing with the validity of those beliefs and arguments. Ad hominem arguments were first studied in ancient Greece; John Locke revived the examination of ad hominem arguments in the 17th century. Many contemporary politicians routinely use ad hominem attacks, which can be encapsulated to a derogatory nickname for a political opponent