ah yes, the best gameplay mechanics are the ones that either punish you for being good, or those that decide you have been having too much fun. "Welp looks like you have been alive too long... D I E." then they send some jets and one tap you.
@@yamatokurusaki5790 Yes, I guess sarcasm isn't the best way to get my point across. I just despise the idea of literally killing a competent player because they are doing good. Maybe a better idea would just be to add better AA to areas players are not currently present to add scaling difficulty, replace the 2KM AA with 3 or 4KM AA even if you have to artificially buff an existing AAs range, then the player can use Terrain and such to get in close enough to attack and dive back into cover. and this shouldnt be too much of a difficulty curve for new players with the Idea of spawnable preset aircraft, which maybe could also scale with the difficulty in the mission, like maybe the Apache later will get like 16 rockets and the KA-52 will go from having 8 Vihker rockets to 16 ect. Basically if the player if forced to die, its not fun. But fighting back against ever increasing odds is neat and challenging.
This mode was 100% fine before Apex Predator's, i bought the AH-1G and spaded it in like 3 games and researched the UH-1B, but after Apex Predators its impossible to research any heli without a premium. If they just revert these changes the game mode will be good again.
@@sam-o8c2h Gaijin nerfed Sim battle rp gain due to bots just AFKing and getting insane amounts of RP, this also effected heli PVE which is a sim battle.
i think id just make the map 4x4 instead of 7x7, i would make it so the anti air vehicles would be like 1 br lower because they are just so op rn. i would 100% remove the canyon map (who need to climb 1500 meters just to go fight a few apcs??)
I think they should just go fully with the scripted mission approach and include air forces and ground forces with that - Imagine having players in tanks on the ground securing positions while helicopters and planes provide cover, taking out air threats and enemy artillery positions. Would be possible to implement for every BR. Helicopters that can carry troops should get objectives like "drop a unit here" or perform a MEDEVAC at this position
Basicaly large scale combined PVE in style of Arma/squad yeah totaly do able in war thunder there are simular custom battles like this already, gaijin did not add it due to them thinking its not profitable but I say If you gonna create fun PVE gamemode that isnt fucking horde mode then I will even buy you fucking 70€ SU-25 just to fly it in afganistan and provide cover for my ground tanks
I definitely cannot be on board with essentially the game just forcing you to die every x minutes no matter what, and maybe I'm in the minority, I don't know, but I definitely like it being an EC mode. You can always jump in and out if you need to and EC is something I wish would get more love and attention for land, sea, and air, not less. A lot of the rest of this does make sense though.
As someone who finally got the AH-64DJP (only 3 years of on and off grinding) I’ve put hundreds of hours in heli pve. It was the most bland and tiring experience ever. I would get around 20k rp and 200k sl, which was the only good thing. Imma have to disagree with the “send a -hitman- jet squad after you” because when I played the Kisarazu, I was able to stay alive almost all game, as the atgms on it are just enough, and if you fly hugging the ground, the Roland’s suck at aiming. Also, I don’t know if it’s just, after the latest update, after about an hour and a half, atgms just stop working. Like you fire them and they bulldog and hit the dirt. I have no clue what that’s about, but at least I’m done with the heli grind. For now.
I must say that I mostly disagree with what you propose I am myself an heli enjoyer in the US tech tree and I got myself the mighty weeb helicopter. Now to my surprise playing the the weeb copter is mostly unplayable in heli pve, why ? Well you will fight along side mainly 1 helicopter it is being spam and it's the KA50 sure they are not gonna kill me. Instead they are gonna kill evertyhing on the map before I am even in range of them making the grind in that game mode a pain in the ass at some point where I just started flying around doing nothing since by the time I arrived the fucker at 4 km behind me got 90% of the target. Further more whats the point of buying a prenium or playing in order to get one if you can just spawn one for free in PvE ? It will make gaijin loose money and player actually playing to grind it will just give them less target. Now the idea of having a squadron chassing you ain't so bad expect it's not. Some time ago bomber squadron had fighter that would target heli near the squadron it was busted unless you had something like the AH-1G that has two minigun every other heli were getting stomped on.
Its in the Events & Tournaments tab on the right of the screen. Or you can go to sim battles and find it from there. Its called smth like Helicopter PvE
It would make way more sense if brs actually mattered there so if you have like 10.0 heli you would face vehicles that are around 10.0 (there could be also br depending maps but idk about that) But yea the fighters instead of hunting down one player would spawn as an escort to the bombers (and it would only spawn at brs where helis can actually protect themselves with something) Fix the spawning of an engagements so there is nothing like centurion in the house that cannot be killed. It also would be cooler if there would be more to do
heres my recommendations, nerf gepards (which they have already done), fix AI's (no more submarine tanks wannabes), give more rewards since rewards rn are lackluster, make maps smaller, like city but slightly smaller, have more players and add a leave penalty if players dont do anything
i like heli pve, but the SPAA is so annoying for countries like US where you start with the cobra. but after you get an agm with >3 km of range it can be a fun just put on some music and play videos in the backround. also if you stay till the end it will most likely be you or just 1 other person so you can get so much SL and RP. it also helps i got VR so im more entertained and not just bored for 2 hours
@@chocolat-kun8689 Mi-24V and Mi-24P get in the same matches as top-tier helis. They're okay there because they're fast and have so many rockets, but it's the Mi-24A and Mi-24D in the lower bracket that dominate.
Top tier helps dying as well to these Roland's... They usually take me down unexpected. And I die to Gepards too sometimes. These recommendations are bs because why do I have to pay for your lack of skill or stock helo? My every helo was stock as well and I was grinding combined with premium KA's and somehow I fairly quick I got to the top of the line Saraph maxed out. Stop crying about problems that does not exist.
Wow you New gamers always misunderstand this game!! I recommend you play the classic game's enemy engaged Apache vs Havoc and Comanche vs Hokum then this game mode will make since to you kids who have no gaming history other than what was made 5 years ago, yes it's not perfect but only cuz its Half ass like Jerry simulation from Rick and Morty's was cap and settings left at 5% and he wins the apple award only to see thats its empty simulation at the end that is this mode still best place to take your new Chopper to grind, yes 3 hours is fine for us Simulator folks just give enemy Ai more brains and tell AA to stop 1 shot n the new folks so they don't Boycott war thunder again glitches happen so much and enemy takes times to spawn, when they do spawn not enough enemy left for the slow choppers to get anything to get Rp and lions so they are left flying for Hours when they can simply have easy missions given scouting or fly n from point A to B just to help them grind and spade there chopper for another I can go on but rather end this by saying for what it is its fine just spend more time and energy on this mode cuz as it is now its half-assed
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ah yes, the best gameplay mechanics are the ones that either punish you for being good, or those that decide you have been having too much fun. "Welp looks like you have been alive too long... D I E." then they send some jets and one tap you.
Sarcasms i believe
@@yamatokurusaki5790 Yes, I guess sarcasm isn't the best way to get my point across. I just despise the idea of literally killing a competent player because they are doing good. Maybe a better idea would just be to add better AA to areas players are not currently present to add scaling difficulty, replace the 2KM AA with 3 or 4KM AA even if you have to artificially buff an existing AAs range, then the player can use Terrain and such to get in close enough to attack and dive back into cover. and this shouldnt be too much of a difficulty curve for new players with the Idea of spawnable preset aircraft, which maybe could also scale with the difficulty in the mission, like maybe the Apache later will get like 16 rockets and the KA-52 will go from having 8 Vihker rockets to 16 ect. Basically if the player if forced to die, its not fun. But fighting back against ever increasing odds is neat and challenging.
@@luisrosraio9108 difficulty based on brs would make alot of sense
@@yamatokurusaki5790It's not!?
what? have not read his reply to me he admits that its sarcasm?@@NightlyWatch
This mode was 100% fine before Apex Predator's, i bought the AH-1G and spaded it in like 3 games and researched the UH-1B, but after Apex Predators its impossible to research any heli without a premium. If they just revert these changes the game mode will be good again.
But but gayjin no money :(
@@yamatokurusaki5790 *investors no money
what happend in apex predators to heli pve?
@@sam-o8c2h Gaijin nerfed Sim battle rp gain due to bots just AFKing and getting insane amounts of RP, this also effected heli PVE which is a sim battle.
Do not add a fighter squadron that is sent to specifically kill you
i dont like the idea of having a bunch of premium helis flying around me, and then theres just me in my MI-4AV slowly trudging by way to the a point.
i think id just make the map 4x4 instead of 7x7, i would make it so the anti air vehicles would be like 1 br lower because they are just so op rn. i would 100% remove the canyon map (who need to climb 1500 meters just to go fight a few apcs??)
SPAA IS CRACKED
They fixed the gepard BUT THE ROLAND AND ZA-35 ARE STILL MONSTERS
I think they should just go fully with the scripted mission approach and include air forces and ground forces with that - Imagine having players in tanks on the ground securing positions while helicopters and planes provide cover, taking out air threats and enemy artillery positions. Would be possible to implement for every BR.
Helicopters that can carry troops should get objectives like "drop a unit here" or perform a MEDEVAC at this position
Basicaly large scale combined PVE in style of Arma/squad yeah totaly do able in war thunder there are simular custom battles like this already, gaijin did not add it due to them thinking its not profitable but I say If you gonna create fun PVE gamemode that isnt fucking horde mode then I will even buy you fucking 70€ SU-25 just to fly it in afganistan and provide cover for my ground tanks
Raise repair costs? What the fuck bruh it costs me 20k to spawn to begin with and u will die like 6 times a game!!!!????
or they provide mi-24 v and mi-24 p with 8 km range ATGM missles that is easer
They listened you and broke helis more, now single hit can make you from attack heli to flying potato, gj gayjin
We totally need a pve gamemode for planest (for bombers and attacker) like this one. That would be dope af.
Dude ppl use this mode to grind sl not test premium vehicle, thats why u have test flight
I definitely cannot be on board with essentially the game just forcing you to die every x minutes no matter what, and maybe I'm in the minority, I don't know, but I definitely like it being an EC mode. You can always jump in and out if you need to and EC is something I wish would get more love and attention for land, sea, and air, not less. A lot of the rest of this does make sense though.
I like it too, it gives good money, the only issue is the rp gain is abyssmal but thats in all the gamemodes anyway
second issue : find a match, i never manage to find one
Totally agree with the separation of the maps
Yeah no that fighter mechanic doesnt sound good. There could be patrolling fighters overall though that encourage carrying aa missiles
As someone who finally got the AH-64DJP (only 3 years of on and off grinding) I’ve put hundreds of hours in heli pve. It was the most bland and tiring experience ever. I would get around 20k rp and 200k sl, which was the only good thing. Imma have to disagree with the “send a -hitman- jet squad after you” because when I played the Kisarazu, I was able to stay alive almost all game, as the atgms on it are just enough, and if you fly hugging the ground, the Roland’s suck at aiming. Also, I don’t know if it’s just, after the latest update, after about an hour and a half, atgms just stop working. Like you fire them and they bulldog and hit the dirt. I have no clue what that’s about, but at least I’m done with the heli grind. For now.
I must say that I mostly disagree with what you propose I am myself an heli enjoyer in the US tech tree and I got myself the mighty weeb helicopter. Now to my surprise playing the the weeb copter is mostly unplayable in heli pve, why ? Well you will fight along side mainly 1 helicopter it is being spam and it's the KA50 sure they are not gonna kill me. Instead they are gonna kill evertyhing on the map before I am even in range of them making the grind in that game mode a pain in the ass at some point where I just started flying around doing nothing since by the time I arrived the fucker at 4 km behind me got 90% of the target. Further more whats the point of buying a prenium or playing in order to get one if you can just spawn one for free in PvE ? It will make gaijin loose money and player actually playing to grind it will just give them less target. Now the idea of having a squadron chassing you ain't so bad expect it's not. Some time ago bomber squadron had fighter that would target heli near the squadron it was busted unless you had something like the AH-1G that has two minigun every other heli were getting stomped on.
Yep , look at my comment
i have a heli but idk how to find the mode
Its in the Events & Tournaments tab on the right of the screen. Or you can go to sim battles and find it from there. Its called smth like Helicopter PvE
how can i play it i cant find it
Nice vid lad, some good points 👍
Did you mean StazGaz with "New Gamers" ... ?
It would make way more sense if brs actually mattered there so if you have like 10.0 heli you would face vehicles that are around 10.0 (there could be also br depending maps but idk about that)
But yea the fighters instead of hunting down one player would spawn as an escort to the bombers (and it would only spawn at brs where helis can actually protect themselves with something)
Fix the spawning of an engagements so there is nothing like centurion in the house that cannot be killed. It also would be cooler if there would be more to do
bring back heli PVP for the love of god
XD
Ikr
Nice and well produced video weiter so!
Man low view wt content is always the best
I miss pvp… bring it back I remember making 200k to and 1,000,000 sl in an hour of playing 😂
heres my recommendations, nerf gepards (which they have already done), fix AI's (no more submarine tanks wannabes), give more rewards since rewards rn are lackluster, make maps smaller, like city but slightly smaller, have more players and add a leave penalty if players dont do anything
i like heli pve, but the SPAA is so annoying for countries like US where you start with the cobra. but after you get an agm with >3 km of range it can be a fun just put on some music and play videos in the backround. also if you stay till the end it will most likely be you or just 1 other person so you can get so much SL and RP. it also helps i got VR so im more entertained and not just bored for 2 hours
Usa starts with the AH-1G huey cobra an it doesn’t get AGMs
@@chaosinsurgency6636 to grind cobra for Huey just wait for team mates to take out spaa.
Bist du deutsch?
Ka-50 is the moneymaker in this mode lol. You can easily make 200k+ SL just by sniping aa and bombing bases lol
i did get a good match where i made 200000 even though i only have that first german heli that is kinda junk
It is even worse in the US and Israel. You are dependent on other players to snipe SPAA. Otherwise, you just hover 3km away from the enemy.
@@chocolat-kun8689or even worse playing a stock Mi4AV
of course. they gonna destroy the only way I have found to make and SL using boosters. Glad I havent played in over a week.
They could put less players, its a shit when u want to grind sl and theres 12 useless mi 24 ptw nation stealling ur points
Holy hell this guy made over 300k sl and 50k rp o-0
Is that normal?! 3:21
it wont be after gaijin "fixes" it
Yes but u play like 1-2 hrs a heli sim match, his match lasted 1.5 hours.
No it’s not. It really isn’t.
You just dont die, and seeing how he is using the Mi24, which dominates the lower br of PVE. He probably killed everything.
@@chocolat-kun8689 Mi-24V and Mi-24P get in the same matches as top-tier helis. They're okay there because they're fast and have so many rockets, but it's the Mi-24A and Mi-24D in the lower bracket that dominate.
Yes fix br pls
Heli pve is perfect compared to air rb, also way better then assault modes
ok weeb
Okay but this camera view = opinion doesn't count. Sorry bro
Top tier helps dying as well to these Roland's... They usually take me down unexpected. And I die to Gepards too sometimes.
These recommendations are bs because why do I have to pay for your lack of skill or stock helo? My every helo was stock as well and I was grinding combined with premium KA's and somehow I fairly quick I got to the top of the line Saraph maxed out. Stop crying about problems that does not exist.
Первый!!!
No
bring back heli pvp servers lol 3 hours of ka50 bs
Wow you New gamers always misunderstand this game!! I recommend you play the classic game's enemy engaged Apache vs Havoc and Comanche vs Hokum then this game mode will make since to you kids who have no gaming history other than what was made 5 years ago, yes it's not perfect but only cuz its Half ass like Jerry simulation from Rick and Morty's was cap and settings left at 5% and he wins the apple award only to see thats its empty simulation at the end that is this mode still best place to take your new Chopper to grind, yes 3 hours is fine for us Simulator folks just give enemy Ai more brains and tell AA to stop 1 shot n the new folks so they don't Boycott war thunder again glitches happen so much and enemy takes times to spawn, when they do spawn not enough enemy left for the slow choppers to get anything to get Rp and lions so they are left flying for Hours when they can simply have easy missions given scouting or fly n from point A to B just to help them grind and spade there chopper for another I can go on but rather end this by saying for what it is its fine just spend more time and energy on this mode cuz as it is now its half-assed