I’ve been called to Ministry leadership- pastoral care/counseling. God has been telling me this since 2020 but I was hiding, this year 2023 He told me again that it was time. He finally gave me the courage and boldness to start my calling. I start next week and I’m ready because I know God is with me and Christ will lead me and guide me now and forever.
How old are you? I'm 40, have ignored the call for years due to pastors not being helpful and discouraging me to not give up my day job to serve God. Just volunteer when you can they say, 🤦♂️it's a freakin 🤡show now
Before you have the authority to teach you must know more about the Bible. Going to a church that teaches anything that is NOT scriptural can only be known by someone who reads the Bible as if GOD WOULD JUDGE THEM FOR BEING DECEIVED BY A FALSE CHURCH AND PASTORS! (actually, the word pastor and elder are the same word so if your teacher or preacher calls himself pastor, he isn't being scriptural anyway) If I was too uncomfortable confronting someone about teaching something that's not found in the Bible then I should not be a Bible teacher! Things like Calvinism, the Rapture, Pre-millennialism, the sinner's prayer, being saved by asking Jesus into my heart, thinking the Holy Spirit is speaking to me or pretty much 98% of all denominations, I mean the list is endless, but you MUST read the Bible as if you need to become smarter about the Bible than the false teacher you listen to the most. Becoming a Bible teacher is probably the scariest if you truly understand that God will hold you personally responsible for people's souls going to HELL because you were deceived by Satan, and you believed false teaching yourself and spent 20 or 30 years as a "Pastor" teaching false religion to millions on the internet and in church buildings. I mean, you only live once, right? If someone is aware that they are teaching doctrine that is not in the Bible but let's say 50 million people believe that doctrine, then wouldn't you think that person would understand they're not going to heaven and no one they are teaching the false doctrine to will either? I think most Bible teachers that are "called to Ministry" in today's mainstream Christianity don't do it for reasons they read in the Bible but for false teaching reasons only. Getting more people in the building is the first red flag and building giant churches that employ more than 2 or 3 people is another red flag. Going to services and only 1 or 2 people carry Bibles into the building is a huge red flag and then there is youth programs that don't include bible studies instead of sports, or just hanging out and then there is the whole Rock Band thing that almost every unscriptural false teaching church has these days...in closing I have studied collectively for almost 40 years : Bible history, Church history, all religions, Greek text translation, hermeneutics, the dead sea scrolls, all denominations and the doctrine they claim to believe, Pre-millennialism, AD 70 Doctrine, Calvinism, the Reformation and I can honestly say that 98% of all denominations and non-denominational churches also do not teach the truth of what they claim comes from the teachings in the Bible. Beware of false teachers! This statement was made by Jesus and all other writers of the New Testament. If you do everything the Bible teaches, in context then you will know you tried to do God's will but if you let your "feelings" lead you, you probably will not be in eternity with God. The Bible is true-check every word your being told with an open Bible. If anyone teaches you something that's not in the Bible- they are teaching false doctrine, then after you are sure your teaching sound doctrine from God's Word then feel free to become a minister, preacher or an evangelist but remember the word pastor means elder or even bishop and these men will always be overseers of a congregation and over any preachers of God's Word. There is only one church and Jesus is the head of that church. Who has the right to interpret Scripture? As the very word of God, Scripture comes with the authority and sufficiency of God, and therefore Scripture is not subject to the interpretation of any man or body, but rather Scripture interprets itself.
Question: Why would a reformer worry about his 'call' to ministry? Don't they teach that EVERYTHING is predestined, preordained, decreed? So, according to your 'doctrines', if God predestined you to be a pastor, you'll be a pastor, whether you want to or not? Or do you think you have a say? In which case, your doctrines of predestination is pretty shaky!
Your understanding of the reformed view of predestination is off my friend. You’re speaking of providence. Predestination is speaking to the salvation call. The reformers speak of for ordained and of providence for Gods will and not predestination for the call to ministry. To your question. Neither men were worried about their call to ministry. We are helped to see in scripture to be tested, to seek the Spirit’s leading, to ensure the right brothers are set aside for ministry, to test not only the internal desire (aspiring language in 1 Tim 3) but to verify externally in the church by qualifications, by gifting, by agreement in the church, etc. Reformed folk do believe we have a choice, but our choice is limited to our will. God is sovereign and directs our wills which gives us the wonderful grace to choose to serve King Jesus with our whole lives. Your clear frustration is shown in your post my friend. Your sarcasm and lack of love are not the type of image I’m sure you would agree Christ would have you show. I would plead, delete your comment, it is flavoured with the things below, not above, go serve Christ and hold fast to the faith.
I feel like you personally need more of a calling or a “pull on your heart” towards being a pastor. If I where you I’d look into the calling to preach or pastor
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I’ve been called to Ministry leadership- pastoral care/counseling. God has been telling me this since 2020 but I was hiding, this year 2023 He told me again that it was time. He finally gave me the courage and boldness to start my calling. I start next week and I’m ready because I know God is with me and Christ will lead me and guide me now and forever.
How old are you? I'm 40, have ignored the call for years due to pastors not being helpful and discouraging me to not give up my day job to serve God. Just volunteer when you can they say, 🤦♂️it's a freakin 🤡show now
I really appreciate hearing both of you talk about what is important to you about God and the Bible! God bless you both!
Have heard both stories before but both very encouraging
thank you Lord for having better plans for these men
John Piper is quite a character
does being first win anything?? LOL always love the content
Wwwwe Amacing
John & John like Siegfried & Roy?
Before you have the authority to teach you must know more about the Bible. Going to a church that teaches anything that is NOT scriptural can only be known by someone who reads the Bible as if GOD WOULD JUDGE THEM FOR BEING DECEIVED BY A FALSE CHURCH AND PASTORS! (actually, the word pastor and elder are the same word so if your teacher or preacher calls himself pastor, he isn't being scriptural anyway) If I was too uncomfortable confronting someone about teaching something that's not found in the Bible then I should not be a Bible teacher! Things like Calvinism, the Rapture, Pre-millennialism, the sinner's prayer, being saved by asking Jesus into my heart, thinking the Holy Spirit is speaking to me or pretty much 98% of all denominations, I mean the list is endless, but you MUST read the Bible as if you need to become smarter about the Bible than the false teacher you listen to the most. Becoming a Bible teacher is probably the scariest if you truly understand that God will hold you personally responsible for people's souls going to HELL because you were deceived by Satan, and you believed false teaching yourself and spent 20 or 30 years as a "Pastor" teaching false religion to millions on the internet and in church buildings. I mean, you only live once, right? If someone is aware that they are teaching doctrine that is not in the Bible but let's say 50 million people believe that doctrine, then wouldn't you think that person would understand they're not going to heaven and no one they are teaching the false doctrine to will either? I think most Bible teachers that are "called to Ministry" in today's mainstream Christianity don't do it for reasons they read in the Bible but for false teaching reasons only. Getting more people in the building is the first red flag and building giant churches that employ more than 2 or 3 people is another red flag. Going to services and only 1 or 2 people carry Bibles into the building is a huge red flag and then there is youth programs that don't include bible studies instead of sports, or just hanging out and then there is the whole Rock Band thing that almost every unscriptural false teaching church has these days...in closing I have studied collectively for almost 40 years : Bible history, Church history, all religions, Greek text translation, hermeneutics, the dead sea scrolls, all denominations and the doctrine they claim to believe, Pre-millennialism, AD 70 Doctrine, Calvinism, the Reformation and I can honestly say that 98% of all denominations and non-denominational churches also do not teach the truth of what they claim comes from the teachings in the Bible. Beware of false teachers! This statement was made by Jesus and all other writers of the New Testament. If you do everything the Bible teaches, in context then you will know you tried to do God's will but if you let your "feelings" lead you, you probably will not be in eternity with God. The Bible is true-check every word your being told with an open Bible. If anyone teaches you something that's not in the Bible- they are teaching false doctrine, then after you are sure your teaching sound doctrine from God's Word then feel free to become a minister, preacher or an evangelist but remember the word pastor means elder or even bishop and these men will always be overseers of a congregation and over any preachers of God's Word. There is only one church and Jesus is the head of that church. Who has the right to interpret Scripture?
As the very word of God, Scripture comes with the authority and sufficiency of God, and therefore Scripture is not subject to the interpretation of any man or body, but rather Scripture interprets itself.
Question: Why would a reformer worry about his 'call' to ministry? Don't they teach that EVERYTHING is predestined, preordained, decreed? So, according to your 'doctrines', if God predestined you to be a pastor, you'll be a pastor, whether you want to or not? Or do you think you have a say? In which case, your doctrines of predestination is pretty shaky!
Your understanding of the reformed view of predestination is off my friend. You’re speaking of providence. Predestination is speaking to the salvation call.
The reformers speak of for ordained and of providence for Gods will and not predestination for the call to ministry.
To your question. Neither men were worried about their call to ministry. We are helped to see in scripture to be tested, to seek the Spirit’s leading, to ensure the right brothers are set aside for ministry, to test not only the internal desire (aspiring language in 1 Tim 3) but to verify externally in the church by qualifications, by gifting, by agreement in the church, etc.
Reformed folk do believe we have a choice, but our choice is limited to our will. God is sovereign and directs our wills which gives us the wonderful grace to choose to serve King Jesus with our whole lives.
Your clear frustration is shown in your post my friend. Your sarcasm and lack of love are not the type of image I’m sure you would agree Christ would have you show.
I would plead, delete your comment, it is flavoured with the things below, not above, go serve Christ and hold fast to the faith.
Think again
As long as you can figure out a way to have other people pay all your bills, doing what these men have done in life is super easy.
My wife told me to be a pastor, now I’m still struggling to make a sermon.. Is that ok?
I feel like you personally need more of a calling or a “pull on your heart” towards being a pastor. If I where you I’d look into the calling to preach or pastor