I’ve been called to Ministry leadership- pastoral care/counseling. God has been telling me this since 2020 but I was hiding, this year 2023 He told me again that it was time. He finally gave me the courage and boldness to start my calling. I start next week and I’m ready because I know God is with me and Christ will lead me and guide me now and forever.
Question: Why would a reformer worry about his 'call' to ministry? Don't they teach that EVERYTHING is predestined, preordained, decreed? So, according to your 'doctrines', if God predestined you to be a pastor, you'll be a pastor, whether you want to or not? Or do you think you have a say? In which case, your doctrines of predestination is pretty shaky!
Your understanding of the reformed view of predestination is off my friend. You’re speaking of providence. Predestination is speaking to the salvation call. The reformers speak of for ordained and of providence for Gods will and not predestination for the call to ministry. To your question. Neither men were worried about their call to ministry. We are helped to see in scripture to be tested, to seek the Spirit’s leading, to ensure the right brothers are set aside for ministry, to test not only the internal desire (aspiring language in 1 Tim 3) but to verify externally in the church by qualifications, by gifting, by agreement in the church, etc. Reformed folk do believe we have a choice, but our choice is limited to our will. God is sovereign and directs our wills which gives us the wonderful grace to choose to serve King Jesus with our whole lives. Your clear frustration is shown in your post my friend. Your sarcasm and lack of love are not the type of image I’m sure you would agree Christ would have you show. I would plead, delete your comment, it is flavoured with the things below, not above, go serve Christ and hold fast to the faith.
I’ve been called to Ministry leadership- pastoral care/counseling. God has been telling me this since 2020 but I was hiding, this year 2023 He told me again that it was time. He finally gave me the courage and boldness to start my calling. I start next week and I’m ready because I know God is with me and Christ will lead me and guide me now and forever.
I really appreciate hearing both of you talk about what is important to you about God and the Bible! God bless you both!
John Piper is quite a character
thank you Lord for having better plans for these men
Have heard both stories before but both very encouraging
does being first win anything?? LOL always love the content
Wwwwe Amacing
John & John like Siegfried & Roy?
Question: Why would a reformer worry about his 'call' to ministry? Don't they teach that EVERYTHING is predestined, preordained, decreed? So, according to your 'doctrines', if God predestined you to be a pastor, you'll be a pastor, whether you want to or not? Or do you think you have a say? In which case, your doctrines of predestination is pretty shaky!
Your understanding of the reformed view of predestination is off my friend. You’re speaking of providence. Predestination is speaking to the salvation call.
The reformers speak of for ordained and of providence for Gods will and not predestination for the call to ministry.
To your question. Neither men were worried about their call to ministry. We are helped to see in scripture to be tested, to seek the Spirit’s leading, to ensure the right brothers are set aside for ministry, to test not only the internal desire (aspiring language in 1 Tim 3) but to verify externally in the church by qualifications, by gifting, by agreement in the church, etc.
Reformed folk do believe we have a choice, but our choice is limited to our will. God is sovereign and directs our wills which gives us the wonderful grace to choose to serve King Jesus with our whole lives.
Your clear frustration is shown in your post my friend. Your sarcasm and lack of love are not the type of image I’m sure you would agree Christ would have you show.
I would plead, delete your comment, it is flavoured with the things below, not above, go serve Christ and hold fast to the faith.