For decades, the urban legend was that Andy Williams dubbed Bacall's songs in "The Big Sleep" and "To Have and Have Not," but we now KNOW that she did her own singing.
1:07 As Bacall scowls and Bogart appraises, I love the hostess' attitude of, "What's the matter, sister? Competition too much for you?" She nearly steals the scene!
This song's cynical lyrics are a perfect compliment for this film, with its manipulative and grasping characters everywhere. Not that you can ever figure out what everyone was doing, or why they did it... "Carpet joint" upscale illegal gambling parlors like this one existed in real life then, and they often showed up in Hollywood crime dramas. But in the '40s, gambling in the USA was legal ONLY in Nevada and no place else.
Has there EVER been a woman who was more obviously the sort of woman that a strong, heroic man would want as a wife? And the fact that Bacall clearly didn't NEED a man -- as she proved by doing quite well on her own, both personally and professionally -- made her MORE, not less, desirable. No novelist or filmmaker could have made up a couple who "fit" more beautifully than Bogart and Bacall. Thank God that the film medium has given both of them to us forever.
I mostly agree, but I have never completely seen Bacall as good of an actress as Bogart. I may be in the minority here, but I think Bogart's affection for her in real life clouded his judgment by being cast with her. Ingrid Bergman and Ida Lupino were more compelling leads with Bogart to me. Nevertheless, they had chemistry together.
@@eg4449 I can see your point, which I think is based on the fact that Bacall was more of a personality-driven actress than Bogart was as an actor. But that may have been due to the simple fact that Bacall, even in her biggest parts, was always a supporting player; she was never allowed to "carry" a film as Bogart was. This had nothing to do with talent; Angela Lansbury, a supremely gifted actress, was never cast in a leading film role until "Bedknobs and Broomsticks", when she was nearly fifty. (Even her best film role, as the evil Mrs. Iselin in "The Manchurian Candidate", was a supporting role.) Yet on the Broadway stage, Lansbury turned in one tour-de-force leading performance after another, in parts as diverse as Mame, Madame Rose, and Mrs. Lovett. Hollywood had its peculiar prejudices, which saw some people as eternal second bananas. (Eve Arden, Charles Coburn, Donald Crisp, and Maureen O'Hara, just to name four).
When you look in the encyclopedia under Style and Class, you find Bogart & Bacall. Who cares if the plot doesn't exactly track (an interesting back-story of this picture); THIS is what movie-making is all about.
I loved the convoluted plot (both the book and the movie). One scene I thought was a marvelous touch was Owen Taylors death - turned out to have nothing to do with anything. Someone even asked Raymond Chandler who murdered him - he supposedly said 'hell if I know'. Having this loose end really worked within the plot - it reinforced the character of the Sternwood family - the idea that random bad shit just happened around these people I noticed also that Faulkner collaborated on the screenplay. I have to wonder if some of the priceless scenes like the 'horse race' dialog between Bogart and Bacall was his doing. In my top 5 favorites too - lots to like.
thank you very much for cutting out this clip. i've always loved this song by Lauren's version in the movie and kind of just want this part and listen to it without having to skim through the whole movie and now it's finally here hahaha, so thank you again. :)
Let me put things straight here. There were at least 3 versions of this song around 1944. Anita, Ella and this one which does sound like Bacall is actually doing her own singing. (In her first movie, To Have and Have Not, it is debatable whether her voice might have been dubbed). This is a great version with the blend of voices. It was just a movie scene and there is no record of this version. Next, the "tramp" is just a girl hostess working at the casino/bar, sort of a greeter at the door. These outfits were typical nightclub waitress/cigarette girl types for some places. Thirdly, Bogart's wife at the time, Mayo, was an alcoholic, as was he. Only she was a rather mean one who would smash him over the head with pots and pans, once stabbed him, once shot him through the bathroom door. She was very insecure about the women he was working with in the movies, although he did not seem to have any affairs until Bacall came along. Actually, he kept giving Mayo more chances, but she kept up the violence toward him. She died of alcoholism several years after the divorce. So I don't think anyone should judge, as we do not know the circumstances. It is strange to think of Bogart as the victim of domestic abuse, but it is true.
Re: the hostess "tramp." She looks at least as interesting as the Bacall character. She steers Bogart to Johnny Mar's office with quiet authority. I envision her running that nightclub after Mr. Mars. demise. I also enjoy Bogart's brief exchange with Mars' 2 gay enforcers: "Oh, STOP it."
I love scenes like this. Hawks didn't have to do this one, but it's such fun, and it's a little relief from all the deadly business going on. All the people look very attractive in those outfits, and the casino itself looks so inviting I myself wouldn't mind dropping a few thou there!
Bacall is the perfect woman in this scene. Strong, beautiful, fun, talented, yet also playful and engaging. Completely unafraid to show her open intentions.
Is no one else bothered by this being a catchy, upbeat song about a guy who neglects his wife, punches her in the mouth when she asks him why, and makes her cry all the time?
Yes, I found the lyrics repulsive. That another woman eventually bumps off the abusive guy in the song doesn't make up for it somehow. None of the women in that scene seems like the little-miss--punching-bag type. Nice backup singing from the Williams Brothers: very tart and 'forties. An era which will never come again: the US coming out of a global conflict the big winner, or so it seemed.
Yes, the effect was intentional. It's meant not only to show the menace lurking under all the high life and glitter, but also to show that Vivian was not above it herself. This put her on a vastly more equal footing with Marlowe than if she had been portrayed merely as a rich girl or a damsel in distress. Remember all the innuendo in that dialogue about horse racing? In effect she's saying "I never met a man who could keep up with me." And remember the bookstore scene where Marlowe enjoys a little break from his busy day? Meanwhile Vivian is being extorted by her lover, Eddie Mars. Now this singing scene with the club hostess, Vivian giving Marlowe the mock dirty look, Marlowe responding with a "yeah, she is kinda hot" look in return, and Vivian smiling in shared understanding? This is no children's story. Our protagonists are markedly naughty and entirely willing to get into trouble. Indeed that could be the theme for this entire story. Some people run away from danger. These people run towards it. What does that look like, and can we find something worthy and even noble in it anyway?
In my opinion this is the best version of this song - better than Ella or O'Day or anyone else. The harmonies (by the Williams Brothers Quartet) are amazing! I've been looking for a recording of the master, but just can't find it!
I've heard both Anita, Ella sing their rendition of this song. Both were excellent. But Bacall's version is by far the meatiest maybe because it keeps in tempo with the movie. The only unfortunate part is she doesn't get to complete the whole song which is such a disservice to her because it was very good and to the best of my knowledge there is no recording of her doing so. Nice upload Bachsious. You're good, you're very good.
In the movie Marty with Ernest Borgnine...his immigrant Italian mother is trying to get Marty to not give up on getting married, she hilariously repeats what she heard about a dance hall from her son in law...."the place is full of hot tomatoes"...
Well that's interesting.... On iTunes you can buy the same recording credited to Anita O'Day on an album called cinema classics. I have that recording, and her other productions of the same tune on her album work. I agree the sound is way different, but in looking for the recording this one listed under O'Day is all I could find
What a beautiful harmony. Technology today allows 1 person to do all of their backing vocals but its just not the same as 3 or 4 different people performing the same task. Can someone post some footage of the gentleman doing the back up vocals.
Here are The Williams Brothers in the 1944 movie "Janie." They start singing at 2:16 You probably know that most of "The Big Sleep" was filmed in 1944, although formally released with some re-shot scenes in 1946. th-cam.com/video/be9q-tzdp2c/w-d-xo.html
The Big Sleep (1946) MISTAKES Other mistake: Marlowe fires several shots at Art Huck and Lash Canino but if you look at the chamber when he takes the gun out from under the dashboard, there are no bullets in it. Continuity mistake: Marlowe sits in front of Joe Brody's apartment building, The Randall Arms. Later as he follows the gunman that shot Brody we see it from inside the car and the registration stickers are different. Continuity mistake: After driving Lauren Bacall home from Eddie Mars' place Marlowe walks into his apartment and we see the number 206 on the door. In the next shot from inside we see another door that doesn't have 206 on it. Continuity mistake: In Art Huck's living room, after Pat Clark throws water into his face, we see the chair at Marlowe's feet. No one goes near it, but later in the scene it moves 45 degrees to the right and is facing Marlowe (1945 Version on DVD). Continuity mistake: The front door of the Sternwood's is in the first shot of the movie as Marlowe rings the door bell. The front of the door has just one indentation near the knocker, later we see the front door again as Marlowe brings Carmen home and now it has two indentations.
So I looked it up, and the song is incomplete here. Near the end of the full recording, it goes on to say that he messed around with two other women, one of them found out and drowned him. His wife attended his funeral and got angry but with the lyrics, "No insurance she could find" implies that she was upset that she didn't inherent his belongings and not the abuse? 🤨 So, I guess the point of this song is that everyone is a terrible person? Personally, I think the insurance thing was last minute, not to mention the song victim-blames saying, "Her mama told her that her man was unkind". Saying that she should've seen this abuse coming and that she was a crybaby gold-digger anyway so who cares? Yeah... I'm sorry, but that doesn't sit right with me. 🤷🏻♀️
Imagine if they remade this film today... a lead female singing a song poking fun at the victim of spousal abuse? I can hear Diane Feinstein railing now... 😂
Love him, love her, love the movie…but boy oh boy she’s not a singer. I guess it works in the context of the story cause it shows that rich folks can get away with damn near anything.
@@constantreader8760 Yes it was, I was born about mid-way through it and it was a horrid song and scenario then and it still is now. You don't even read much. Never mind, eh?
For decades, the urban legend was that Andy Williams dubbed Bacall's songs in "The Big Sleep" and "To Have and Have Not," but we now KNOW that she did her own singing.
1:07
As Bacall scowls and Bogart appraises, I love the hostess' attitude of, "What's the matter, sister? Competition too much for you?" She nearly steals the scene!
Yeah, I liked that young lady. She's nobody's fool. Probably running a casino now.
Deannie Best was the actress’ name. On IMBD it seems this is one of her only two movie credits.
Yeah, it's like she's saying to Bacall "Hey girl, you better stop window-shopping and come buy something, or *I* will!" XD
I was just going to say the same thing. Her look went straight the camera. (as they'd say in the forties 'what a dish')
R.I.P. Gorgeous Lady
she wasn't known as a great singer, but those harmonies with the group where she takes it low sound fantastic!!
That's a major seventh chord where the four voices come in on "(knows her) mama done told her." It really makes the tune, doesn't it?
@@starfishsystems beautiful! I have to keep replaying it
Yes it makes rhe tune allright
i watch this more than i should
me too
Magical and timeless..
RIP Lauren & Bogie...
You do recognize her voice right away indeed, and she sang very well too !
Never understood the mystery. That's obviously Bacall's voice. God, I love this movie.
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This song's cynical lyrics are a perfect compliment for this film, with its manipulative and grasping characters everywhere. Not that you can ever figure out what everyone was doing, or why they did it...
"Carpet joint" upscale illegal gambling parlors like this one existed in real life then, and they often showed up in Hollywood crime dramas. But in the '40s, gambling in the USA was legal ONLY in Nevada and no place else.
Miss these films, these actors, these wonderful days.💗💗
"Carpet joint" -- thanks for enriching my mid-20th century vocabulary. Perfect term.
Has there EVER been a woman who was more obviously the sort of woman that a strong, heroic man would want as a wife? And the fact that Bacall clearly didn't NEED a man -- as she proved by doing quite well on her own, both personally and professionally -- made her MORE, not less, desirable. No novelist or filmmaker could have made up a couple who "fit" more beautifully than Bogart and Bacall. Thank God that the film medium has given both of them to us forever.
I mostly agree, but I have never completely seen Bacall as good of an actress as Bogart.
I may be in the minority here, but I think Bogart's affection for her in real life clouded his judgment by being cast with her.
Ingrid Bergman and Ida Lupino were more compelling leads with Bogart to me. Nevertheless, they had chemistry together.
@@eg4449 I can see your point, which I think is based on the fact that Bacall was more of a personality-driven actress than Bogart was as an actor. But that may have been due to the simple fact that Bacall, even in her biggest parts, was always a supporting player; she was never allowed to "carry" a film as Bogart was. This had nothing to do with talent; Angela Lansbury, a supremely gifted actress, was never cast in a leading film role until "Bedknobs and Broomsticks", when she was nearly fifty. (Even her best film role, as the evil Mrs. Iselin in "The Manchurian Candidate", was a supporting role.) Yet on the Broadway stage, Lansbury turned in one tour-de-force leading performance after another, in parts as diverse as Mame, Madame Rose, and Mrs. Lovett. Hollywood had its peculiar prejudices, which saw some people as eternal second bananas. (Eve Arden, Charles Coburn, Donald Crisp, and Maureen O'Hara, just to name four).
@@eg4449.....In reality, Bogart deeply regretted marrying 'Betty' Bacall - he thought she was far too young [19] and immature for him.
Never got others appreciating her voice here. Sounds so flat
@@tadimaggio Mrs. Iselin was played by Angela Lansbury.
When you look in the encyclopedia under Style and Class, you find Bogart & Bacall. Who cares if the plot doesn't exactly track (an interesting back-story of this picture); THIS is what movie-making is all about.
One of my top five favorite movies. It was panned for have a convoluted script, but the style makes up for that.
I loved the convoluted plot (both the book and the movie). One scene I thought was a marvelous touch was Owen Taylors death - turned out to have nothing to do with anything. Someone even asked Raymond Chandler who murdered him - he supposedly said 'hell if I know'. Having this loose end really worked within the plot - it reinforced the character of the Sternwood family - the idea that random bad shit just happened around these people
I noticed also that Faulkner collaborated on the screenplay. I have to wonder if some of the priceless scenes like the 'horse race' dialog between Bogart and Bacall was his doing.
In my top 5 favorites too - lots to like.
Easy to hit threes from downtown when you've got Ray Chandler, Bill Faulkner, Howard Hawks, Bogie & Bacall in the game at the same time.
The film,,,The cast,,one of the best
So beautiful!
This is a very catchy tune. Do the lead and get your friends to harmonize in....that's having a great time.
thank you very much for cutting out this clip. i've always loved this song by Lauren's version in the movie and kind of just want this part and listen to it without having to skim through the whole movie and now it's finally here hahaha, so thank you again. :)
Let me put things straight here. There were at least 3 versions of this song around 1944. Anita, Ella and this one which does sound like Bacall is actually doing her own singing. (In her first movie, To Have and Have Not, it is debatable whether her voice might have been dubbed). This is a great version with the blend of voices. It was just a movie scene and there is no record of this version. Next, the "tramp" is just a girl hostess working at the casino/bar, sort of a greeter at the door. These outfits were typical nightclub waitress/cigarette girl types for some places. Thirdly, Bogart's wife at the time, Mayo, was an alcoholic, as was he. Only she was a rather mean one who would smash him over the head with pots and pans, once stabbed him, once shot him through the bathroom door. She was very insecure about the women he was working with in the movies, although he did not seem to have any affairs until Bacall came along. Actually, he kept giving Mayo more chances, but she kept up the violence toward him. She died of alcoholism several years after the divorce. So I don't think anyone should judge, as we do not know the circumstances. It is strange to think of Bogart as the victim of domestic abuse, but it is true.
Re: the hostess "tramp." She looks at least as interesting as the Bacall character. She steers Bogart to Johnny Mar's office with quiet authority. I envision her running that nightclub after Mr. Mars. demise. I also enjoy Bogart's brief exchange with Mars' 2 gay enforcers: "Oh, STOP it."
And who in the hell are you pal?? Tell this drivel to parking lot attendants
And that makes you 140 yrs old
@@michaelcollins237 People who like old movies are generally interested in the trivia behind the film. What is your problem here?
I miss those two !!
Lauren Bacall was a perfect 10 back in the day.
She was a size 6. Not a 10
I love scenes like this. Hawks didn't have to do this one, but it's such fun, and it's a little relief from all the deadly business going on. All the people look very attractive in those outfits, and the casino itself looks so inviting I myself wouldn't mind dropping a few thou there!
So schön ist Krimi. 👍🌷
Whenever I read Raymond Chandler, Philip Marlowe always looks like Bogey in my minds eye.
Bacall is the perfect woman in this scene. Strong, beautiful, fun, talented, yet also playful and engaging. Completely unafraid to show her open intentions.
me to, those dames had class, yea see
The one-liners are the best ever. He is so good at them.
Look at Casablanca.
Outstanding classic cinema
thanks for uploading this clip, love it so much :D
Merci beaucoup from Paris France and happy New Year 👍.
Nice.
Lauren also sang in To Have & Have Not - very cool. Cheers, '62 Mathew St. (Total Retro Rock)
also bacall and the director said that bacall sang this song...
Love this snappy tune! What cool, simpler times!
Bought lovely roses for his dear old Hannah’s curls. I honestly swear that’s what I heard.
Is no one else bothered by this being a catchy, upbeat song about a guy who neglects his wife, punches her in the mouth when she asks him why, and makes her cry all the time?
Yes, I found the lyrics repulsive. That another woman eventually bumps off the abusive guy in the song doesn't make up for it somehow. None of the women in that scene seems like the little-miss--punching-bag type. Nice backup singing from the Williams Brothers: very tart and 'forties. An era which will never come again: the US coming out of a global conflict the big winner, or so it seemed.
Life bothers me and sh** happens . 15 were shot dead in Chicago just this weekend.
Easily offended? I bet your from US
Yes, the effect was intentional. It's meant not only to show the menace lurking under all the high life and glitter, but also to show that Vivian was not above it herself. This put her on a vastly more equal footing with Marlowe than if she had been portrayed merely as a rich girl or a damsel in distress.
Remember all the innuendo in that dialogue about horse racing? In effect she's saying "I never met a man who could keep up with me." And remember the bookstore scene where Marlowe enjoys a little break from his busy day? Meanwhile Vivian is being extorted by her lover, Eddie Mars. Now this singing scene with the club hostess, Vivian giving Marlowe the mock dirty look, Marlowe responding with a "yeah, she is kinda hot" look in return, and Vivian smiling in shared understanding? This is no children's story. Our protagonists are markedly naughty and entirely willing to get into trouble.
Indeed that could be the theme for this entire story. Some people run away from danger. These people run towards it. What does that look like, and can we find something worthy and even noble in it anyway?
Sounds good to me! 😆
Awesome voice. I love a female baritone. Especially if she`s cute.
She's a contralto. There's no such thing as a female baritone.
@@andrew7taylor Contralto, the vocal twilight zone.
Too good 😁
This song is about a wife beater and his victim. Very different times back then…😳😳😳
In my opinion this is the best version of this song - better than Ella or O'Day or anyone else. The harmonies (by the Williams Brothers Quartet) are amazing! I've been looking for a recording of the master, but just can't find it!
I've heard both Anita, Ella sing their rendition of this song. Both were excellent. But Bacall's version is by far the meatiest maybe because it keeps in tempo with the movie. The only unfortunate part is she doesn't get to complete the whole song which is such a disservice to her because it was very good and to the best of my knowledge there is no recording of her doing so. Nice upload Bachsious. You're good, you're very good.
I thought Ella butchered the tune as she did many others
Always fancied Dorothy Malone more in this film 😍
"She's a real sad tomato." I like that. Women=Tomato. People should bring that back. (Dame and doll are also good ones.)
turns out R.E.M (almost) tried that.
In the movie Marty with Ernest Borgnine...his immigrant Italian mother is trying to get Marty to not give up on getting married, she hilariously repeats what she heard about a dance hall from her son in law...."the place is full of hot tomatoes"...
What'a dame!
This is a lovely song next to Marlene Dietrich’s “man’s in the navy” song
Mamma Mia 💋
Famous for 'the look'...It was the look of love...she looked down like that because he made her nervous....
i love at 1:07 when she eyes the girl hanging around marlowe😂
Well that's interesting.... On iTunes you can buy the same recording credited to Anita O'Day on an album called cinema classics. I have that recording, and her other productions of the same tune on her album work. I agree the sound is way different, but in looking for the recording this one listed under O'Day is all I could find
What a beautiful harmony. Technology today allows 1 person to do all of their backing vocals but its just not the same as 3 or 4 different people performing the same task. Can someone post some footage of the gentleman doing the back up vocals.
Here are The Williams Brothers in the 1944 movie "Janie." They start singing at 2:16 You probably know that most of "The Big Sleep" was filmed in 1944, although formally released with some re-shot scenes in 1946.
th-cam.com/video/be9q-tzdp2c/w-d-xo.html
Slim
@handonrip female eyebrows were better back then too
A bunch of choice dames in this room. 👀
I’ve got a pretty deep voice but I (as a man) struggle to sing as low as Lauren Bacall
🎵 0:15 🎵
I was born in the wrong era
really? I listened to the anita oday version and her voice sounds so different...
A sexy, beautiful partner in crime. Every man's dream.
In my next hard boiled detective movie for PRC, I am going to have a scene with the fem singing a snappy 40s novelty tune.
Sorry, but the young woman who played the 'hostess' was the most attractive actor in the scene. I mean seriously....yowsa.
The Big Sleep (1946)
MISTAKES
Other mistake: Marlowe fires several shots at Art Huck and Lash Canino but if you look at the chamber when he takes the gun out from under the dashboard, there are no bullets in it.
Continuity mistake: Marlowe sits in front of Joe Brody's apartment building, The Randall Arms. Later as he follows the gunman that shot Brody we see it from inside the car and the registration stickers are different.
Continuity mistake: After driving Lauren Bacall home from Eddie Mars' place Marlowe walks into his apartment and we see the number 206 on the door. In the next shot from inside we see another door that doesn't have 206 on it.
Continuity mistake: In Art Huck's living room, after Pat Clark throws water into his face, we see the chair at Marlowe's feet. No one goes near it, but later in the scene it moves 45 degrees to the right and is facing Marlowe (1945 Version on DVD).
Continuity mistake: The front door of the Sternwood's is in the first shot of the movie as Marlowe rings the door bell. The front of the door has just one indentation near the knocker, later we see the front door again as Marlowe brings Carmen home and now it has two indentations.
Great observations.
Thanks but I copied and pasted it from a website dedicated to catching goofs in movies.
@@ExhaleAir1 why?
@@DrLoverLover ... Why what ?
Yes, why did you copy and paste 🎉
So I looked it up, and the song is incomplete here.
Near the end of the full recording, it goes on to say that he messed around with two other women, one of them found out and drowned him.
His wife attended his funeral and got angry but with the lyrics, "No insurance she could find" implies that she was upset that she didn't inherent his belongings and not the abuse? 🤨
So, I guess the point of this song is that everyone is a terrible person?
Personally, I think the insurance thing was last minute, not to mention the song victim-blames saying, "Her mama told her that her man was unkind". Saying that she should've seen this abuse coming and that she was a crybaby gold-digger anyway so who cares?
Yeah... I'm sorry, but that doesn't sit right with me. 🤷🏻♀️
Is that Lorraine Miller with Bogart?
With Lauren's drull voice... No wonder Bogie was eyeing up the valet girl
Andy Williams used to sing for her. He was a kid at the time.
Bukowski
Not many fat people around back then
Imagine if they remade this film today... a lead female singing a song poking fun at the victim of spousal abuse? I can hear Diane Feinstein railing now... 😂
Ok incel boy
Love him, love her, love the movie…but boy oh boy she’s not a singer. I guess it works in the context of the story cause it shows that rich folks can get away with damn near anything.
Ignorant much?
NOT HER VOICE. It's Anita O'day!
Sorry....it's Bacall's voice. Listen to the Anita O'day version with Stan Kenton - very different.
what a horrid song and scenario
It was a different century.
Were you sent to bore me?
@@constantreader8760 Yes it was, I was born about mid-way through it and it was a horrid song and scenario then and it still is now. You don't even read much. Never mind, eh?
@@michaelwalsh1035 Yes. So was Raymond Chandler.