I was raised in a sect that denies the Trinity. And I was "baptized" aka dunked in water, but really it was a baptism into the community, which viewed itself as the only true believers on earth. Fast forward to now, I believe in a Savior, God the Son, and I'm being baptized, in my eyes for the first time, this Sunday.
Very helpful, thank you brother for sharing this. I was baptized at 12. Then because of faulty understanding on my part, I was re-baptized at a different Church, thinking that I had drifted away from God and this was a chance to "re-enlist"as it were and show my sincerity. I know now, thanks be to God, that I was wrong in thinking this way. So thankful for good teachers like you that help us see great truths of God. Keep up the good work, brother!
I think your analysis falls short of a few aspects. My 1st point of critique is that you talk about Gods will that is expressed in Gods word but you dont mention it. Thats not good. I personally believe that baptism in the water is just obedience, but fair enough if you see it different. I interpret Mat3 differently, thats not my point. However, you say that the person that baptizes does that on behalf of Christ, but Jesus Christ not a single time baptized anyone and I see no reason why He should do that after His resurrection. Especially because of John 5:30, where Jesus makes clear that He OBEYS the Fathers will. Jesus (and you are right that we dont baptize ourselves), was not baptized by Himself. He obeyed the Fathers will (thats why I believe baptism is pure obedience) and got baptized by John the Baptist. Also, Mat 3:11-17 states the "repentance" as a requirement (maybe more obvious in Acts 2:38), hence if that requirement was not met, the person fooled the pastor, but never baptized him in the first place. You covered a part with your statement about the trinity and you were right to do so. in other words, you need to be saved and accept the blood of Christ on the cross according to Rom3.25 and Rom10:9-10, otherwise you are no disciple, did not repent, not saved - hence never got baptized in the first place - you just got wet. Now, in regard to Mat3 God sends you gifts of the Holy Spirit, which does not mean the Holy Spirit Himself (we receive that when being saved aka baptized in the Holy Spirit) but gifts of Him (which might be faith (Eph 2:8) or love for His word (1Cor13) etc. Now, we don't know if those gifts come upon us because of obedience or the act of baptism itself. So I am fine with your interpretation as you might be correct. I think Mat28:19-20 is clear: Make them disciples and baptize them with "them" referring to the disciples and not to the first "them" (people before they became disciples). Its a sequence of actions: becoming disciple first, then getting baptized. And you become a disciple by being saved, saved by repentance and accepting the Cross and therefore being baptized in the Holy Spirit. The baptism in the water is then the official statement from you in public that you submit to the Lord Jesus Christ (same like Rom10:10). And the aspect of being saved aka being a disciple is emphasized in acts 2:38-41. How to become a disciple is further covered in John 8:31-32, John 13:34-35, Luke 14:33. You can forget about my interpretation of "baptism is just obedience" if you dont want to interpret the verses mentioned above as such, but we need to be disciples. You are right that re-baptism does not exist, but you are wrong in what you define as baptism. You need to be a disciple to be baptized or you just got wet. Children, especially newborn, cant be baptized. They just got wet because the declaration that you submit to the Lord and repent is missing and I would think (but thats just my opinion) that no-one below the age of 12, maybe even later depending on his development and growth in His word and his faith can make such a declaration. Since the water baptism is a kind of ceremony (something that is done in the world), and comes after the spiritual aspects of repentance, calling on the name of the Lord, accepting the Cross and the Blood, being baptized in the Holy Spirit, being saved, receiving the ability for faith and love and all that "from glory to glory (2Cor3:18) hence a continuous transformation takes place - thats the reason why I see it as pure obedience. One day we will find out who is right and who is wrong and fortunately none of us will then even care about it 🙂 God bless you Chad!
Jesus looks at your heart always. What Chad is teaching is clear and spot on! But we ourselves have different understandings and do not understand the truth right away. Jesus understands that. Us making a mistake is not a deal-breaker with Jesus
Hundred percent agree was trying to join a church and they said that I had to be rebaptized.I told them that I guess I wasn't going to become a member.
I had been wondering. I was in an alternate church that does not affirm the Trinity. Baptized in that church, and now I want to be baptized in a church that does affirm the Trinity. Thank you for the clarification .
Once when I was a kid, I heard a girl in an argument say "I would know. I've been saved 3 times and baptized twice!" It would be hilarious if not so sad. Ironically, this occured in a once saved always saved Southern Baptist Church.....
Thats brilliant. I rather foolishly got rebaptised when i went from Catholic monk to evangelical. I wanted a clean break...and total immersion! I think i should commerate and thank God for my first Baptism, which date i remember. What to make of the second baptism? Should i think of it as a sin, sacrilege, a foolish mistake? God be praised i got the Gospel anyway!!
That is a good question! I was baptized at 1 month old, I had no say, no choice. Left the Catholic Church and drifted for quite a few years. When I did find a church, I had a few conversations with the Pastor, asking if I need or should be rebaptized. He said it was ok. However, after hearing this I am wondering have I sinned? Do I need to repent because of my second baptism? what happens now?
@@charleneknighton7186 You should be baptized after you repent of your sins and trust in Christ alone for your salvation. When you become a Christian you are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Water baptism doesn't save you it is a public profession of faith. In Acts 10:47 - 48 people are being baptized after they receive the Holy Spirit.
@@ryankimbrough9597 It is water and the Holy Spirit. When the person is baptising someone using the words" I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit descends down into the water, forgiving you original sin and all sins you may have committed. Then you become an adopted child of God abounding in grace and faith.
So what are your thoughts when Paul meet some believer and he asked them have you receive the Holy Ghost since you believe? They said no, we aren't sure there is a Holy Ghost. Paul asked how we're you Baptisted. They said unto John. Paul then commanded that they be rebaptisted in the name of Jesus Chirst
This is not a Christian rebaptism. John the Baptist's baptism was not (what we call) Christian baptism. It was done in preparation for the Messiah. It was certainly not done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This example, therefore, has not bearing on the question. This would be akin to people saying: "We have been eating the Passover but now we are going to begin eating the Lord's Supper." In other words, it is a move from the old covenant way to the new covenant way.
@@chadbird1517 OK, Chad..but neither did Paul command them to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If John's baptism was not a 'Christian' baptism (and I will give you that), why did Paul command them to be baptized in the way that he did?
As an infant, I was baptized. Many years later on my way to a Christian event the spirit of God began to impress upon me to be baptized. I had no idea about the venue which turned out to have a pool. My heart was pounding but I was strongly impressed to follow through. I am so glad I did! As I came up out of the water, I knew my sins were behind me and I was free.
I was baptized as an infant but was raised outside the church in a secular home. I became a Christian while a freshman in college and was baptized by single immersion ~3 years later in a local church. unbeknownst to me at the time, this church believed in baptismal regeneration, but that's another story. Later, I was deeply involved with a Grace Brethren church, but to become a member I first needed to be rebaptized the "correct" way according to them, by triple immersion, based on their interpretation of Matt. 28:19-20). This was wonderful church family that I was a part of, but sadly I determined that I had no choice but to leave, believing that the baptism I received as an adult 3 years earlier was no more of a repeatable event than the finished work of Christ. It's sad that baptism causes so much confusion and even division in the body of Christ.
I was baptised in 2005 when I made a declaration of faith in Jesus. I was then baptized a second time in 2016. The reason for the rebaptism was because in 2005 I decided to change my name by deed poll. I changed it because I was ashamed of the person I was before I made a declaration of faith in Jesus, I was ashamed of the abusive family I was born into. I thought it the right thing to change my name. But, as soon as I changed my name the Lord was very clear with me when He said "that is not your name and you will change back to your original name." I spent 10 years wrestling with my new name change. Stubbornness, pride, anger, control issues etc etc. But in 2016 after I experienced the Lord's Discipline (short prison sentence -long story), I came out of prison and within weeks I reverted back to the name God gave me at birth which I then found out the meaning of which is 'God is gracious'.....my God given name is John. The name I changed to in 2005 was Leon. Although I've found nowhere in scripture that gives credence to being baptized twice, I felt in my spirit that the first one was not right, I was baptised with the wrong name. The whole God is gracious meaning to my real name has had such an impact on my life post prison as my pre prison walk with Jesus was one of struggling in my own strength to let go of the hurts, pains, addictions etc in my own strength and continually failing. Learning to trust my Heavenly father as the picture I had of a father was one of vile abuse. Throughout my pre prison walk, Gods Grace was being poured out on me. At no time did I ever use it as a licence to sin, never. God knew what he was doing with me and He knows what he's got left to do in me. I don't and that's how it should be as I continue to learn to walk by faith & not by sight.
Praise God for His work for and in you as you struggled. I can relate to that release and joy when we realize God has had us all along and we are truly His, despite any circumstances of life. Thank you for your testimony of His grace and mercy.
I can attest that when I was 12 I was baptized as I was joining the fellowship in the church. Later after I was born again, I chose to be baptized again due to my change in my heart and the biblical connotation of outward commitment of my heart and life being truly and fully committed to following Christ. My story.....
Great witness. You weren't re-baptized because at the age of 12 no one can take the responsibility which is required to be baptized. There is no biblical proof of infant or youth baptism. But there were only adults beeing baptized. This is referred to the fact that with your baptism you are on the spritural battleground. How old had an israelite to be to be a soldier and by which age god choose to kill the rebellious israelites in the dessert ? Both by 20years. So with 20years you count as an adult. And you need to be an adult to fully comprehend what you are up to Do with your life. Greetings from germany 😉
I was baptized when I accepted Christ as my Savior. Then had to do it again in a Baptist Church only to make them happy. It did absolutely nothing for my salvation, and I’ve had about enough of membership in a local church when the bible doesn’t teach membership in a local church
Think the real question then becomes when does God want to baptize individuals in this perfect manner.... Before any repentance as decided by their parents when they were babies or after repentance at whatever age that happens??
I would rather argue for the second one. Babies being baptized in not clearly mentionned in the Bible. Baptism follows rather repentance of sin and new birth in Christ. IMHO... Blessings.
I have a fourth "R" for you: Relationship. I'm saved (thank You, Lord!), but my husband is not. Should the Lord extend His grace to my husband in salvation, I plan to be re-baptized when my husband is baptized. I want to to it to show solidarity with him and to symbolize the commitment we now BOTH have to serving and worshiping the Lord. I don't know how that kind of baptism fits in, LOL
I was baptized during a Methodist confirmation ceremony. Years later I felt the need to be "baptized for real" and now, again a few years later, realize that I never understood the significance of baptism at all (identifying with Christ in His death and resurrection). I still sin, i still feel guilty ALL the time, I dont feel or act like I honor God and His gift like I should and my conscience is ALWAYS accusing me. I feel disgusting and filthy and useless all the time. I truly struggle with believing I (personally) am truly saved even though I believe Christ is all He said He is and did all He said He did. People talk about coming out of their baptism feeling washed and pure. I've never had that experience. I just feel digusting and filthy all the time. How then can I believe my baptism, any of them is for real? I do firmly believe the Holy Spirit does the work of baptism. Of course, if I truly believed that, I wouldn't feel so disgusting, right? Why isnt my conscience cleansed?
Are you going to a church that preaches the Good News to you? I ask because that is what you need to hear, over and over. Baptism does not erase our emotions. We can certainly still feel guilty. I know I do. That is why I cannot hear the Gospel enough--the Good News that you are forgiven. Christ has removed your sin as far as the east is from the west. It is gone. May that voice of hope and forgiveness be your peace.
In Acts 19:1-5, Paul found Disciples of John in Ephesus who were baptized by John. Paul knew they needed to be baptized in the name of Jesus and re-baptized them. So, there is a precedent in the bible for re-baptizing when the first baptism was not legitimate. Further more, baptism always follows regeneration. If someone gets baptized before they sincerely get saved or regenerated, then that is grounds for re-baptism. I see your point that if the first one wasn't a legitimate baptism them the second isn't technically a "re-baptism." Since an infant cannot make a decision for Christ, all infant baptisms are illegitimate and necessitate a legitimate baptism once a decision is made for Christ later in life. Chad, I am a fan, but we do differ in some areas of belief... and that's fine.
If the baptism was done genuinely as the Holy Scriptures, by immersion and in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; I agree, there is only one baptism. The Peace of God be with you all.
I think connecting the idea of subject-object with defining Baptism as a work in this way is a misleading dichotomy. We can say that God is performing a work through the Catechuman in a reflexive sense while also saying they are making a pledge unto God by their participation; there isn't any particular reason, as far as I can tell, that these things would be in contradiction. God Baptises you into Christ while your spirit pledges in accordance with the Holy Spirit to the new life you then receive. 5:41 The problem with this is that Jesus never Baptised anyone(John 4:2). He commissioned the Apostles to do so, certainly, but the only example he Himself gave us was of his own Baptism, which we know by John's response and sound Christology he didn't need to do for the purpose of repentance but so that 'all righteousness may be fulfilled' and this would stand as an example for all who follow Him. Jesus does Baptise with the Holy Spirit but this is taught in contrast to water Baptism so I don't think we can say the relationship between these is so simple. Is 'following Jesus' passive in the sense that you are defining it? Was the Ethiopian Eunuch merely passive when he requested Philip Baptise him? If you're trying to say someone *requesting* Baptism is simply unrelated to them *being* Baptised I feel like that's a very thin argument. There isn't somehow this radical discontinuity where someone responds to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, follows him with a new heart, then... passively receives Baptism without actively assenting to the Trinitarian formula or what Baptism itself represents. This is why we catechise people in the first place; it would be a rather pointless practice if we only needed their consent and nothing further for the sake of responsible orthopraxy.
"There's no biblical precedence for rebaptism..." What do you make of Acts 19:1-5 then? Genuinely asking... Acts 19:1-5 CSB - While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul traveled through the interior regions and came to Ephesus. He found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed? ” “No,” they told him, “we haven’t even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” “Into what then were you baptized? ” he asked them. “Into John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people that they should believe in the one who would come after him, that is, in Jesus.” When they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
Same! And I dont mean to derail the conversation but Im also wrestling with the idea that some rudimentary knowledge and understanding of the Holy Spirit is at the very least associated with a proper baptism into Jesus based on the passage in the OP. With that being said, Im having a hard time accepting that infants can be baptized as they dont have any ability to know or understand what they are about to receive.
I don’t think this could qualify as a rebaptism though, as they were baptized unto repentance (according to the order of John) . There’s also the baptism unto Christ (which is what they ended up receiving) which is another type of baptism just as there are others (ie the baptism unto Moses Paul references in 1 Corinthians 10:2). This isn’t to say that I don’t think we can be baptized into Christ twice. I’m still pondering that
@@EricCouture315 one baptism towards Jesus Christ. Yeah I’m leaning if you’ve been baptized into Jesus once then that’s it - especially since that one faith one baptism verse. I’m just saying that there are different types/administrations of baptisms that have occurred from the Old Testament until being baptized into the Lord Jesus (ie baptized into the cloud and sea from Moses, baptized into repentance from john). So I’m saying we can’t qualify that example of the ones who were baptized by John were “rebaptized” in the same way Christians talk about being rebaptized today because today they’re talking about being baptized into Christ again rather than the former were baptized first to John and then again into the more perfect/complete one (Jesus). Hope this makes sense
Thoughts on infant baptism, and someone now considering an adult baptism of their own choosing should do so? I’ve been sitting on this for like a year. Too long.
I'm kind of in the same boat here - baptised in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as a baby/toddler (not that I remember it but I think that's how it was), but this didn't exactly follow the order of 'repent/believe and be baptised' and a lot of other passages that speak of the purpose/symbolism/reason for baptism in the NT...
i was baptized as an infant and I am grateful every day for this gift that God gave me. He brought me into the family of God just as he brought the infants of the Old Testament into the family of God through circumcision. In my baptism he united me into the death of Christ so that I might be united in the resurrection of Christ and freed from the slavery of sin (Romans 6:1 - 11). I am grateful for the salvation that I received, the forgiveness of sins that I received, and the holy spirit that i received. The call to repent and be baptized is appropriate for adults but it's not a universal command given to all people. If that was the case then Jesus would have said in the the great commission to make disciples by having them repent, then be baptized, and then teach them to obey everything. If we are saved by grace through faith then baptism is the ultimate expression of that grace. I didn't do anything to deserve or earn salvation, it was freely given to me. Since faith comes by hearing the word, then the words of baptism spoken over me created faith in my heart as an infant. Now i can celebrate and give thanks that God has been my god from the very get go of my life.
@@andrevisser7542 - there are no scriptures that don’t say baptize a baby. But there is a scripture that says we should baptize all nations (Which means all people everywhere).
Matt.21:16 from the lips of children and infants you Lord have called forth your praise. Luke 1:41 when Elizabeth heard Marys greeting ,the baby leaped in her womb. Luke 18:27..."What is impossible with man is possible with God. Christ Hebrews12:2 ...remember He is the author and finisher of our faith 😊
It comes down to this, if your original baptism was not, in your heart, a matter of being convicted of your sin and NEED for forgiveness of that sin and repenting of that sin, then the "baptism" meant nothing. Baptism scripturally, in Galatians 2:20 and Colossians 2:12, involves a death AND burial to the flesh, to self.
I was babtized as an infant into the Roman Catholic church and was heading straight to hell. At the age of 37, l cried out to God, and he saved me. The only baptism that we need today is the baptism whereby the Holy Spirit-not a priest or preacher-places us into the Church the Body of Christ. This is a waterless, supernatural baptism. Paul also refers to this baptism in Romans 6:3-5, Colossians 2:12, and Galatians 3:27.
The common meaning of "baptize" is to apply water. If you are arguing that those texts refer to a "waterless" baptism, you have to produce biblical evidence. In other words, unless a baptism is explicitly said to be "baptism of the Spirit," it is, BY DEFINITION, a baptism by water.
Nah, Chad is wrong about this. Water baptism isn't what God does for you. Baptism of spirit, circumcision of the heart is what God does for us when we believe; Colossians 2, ephesians 1. Water Baptism is something we do ourselves, and we can choose to or not; Luke7:29,30 (John's Baptism but it counts even more with Baptism for Christ) 1 Peter 3:21
Please forgive my ignorance, but I have a hypothetical question.What is your opinion on someone from a credo-baptist tradition who was baptized before their salvation? For instance, if someone “went forward” to be saved because their sibling was saved and was baptized, but later realized they had never truly believed and was saved later in life. Would that person need to be re-baptized?
God did the baptism the first time, so there is no need for rebaptism. Baptism is never about what we do but about what God is doing. Just as in the OT, circumcision was received, in the NT, baptism is received. It is done once (as was circumcision), it is done to the body (as was circumcision), and there is no need for a repeat.
@@chadbird1517 Interesting. I'll say that's not what I had been taught growing up in SBC churches, but I'm intrigued by the thought of it. I guess I know what I'll be reading about for the next few weeks/months. 😁
Well certainly you answered this question from within your faith tradition. But I am not a Lutheran and have a very different understanding of the rite. I have a very “baptistic” understanding of baptism, though I’m not a Baptist per se. When I look at the NT, baptism is not for infants/babies or unbelievers. In every instance in the NT, believers were baptized after they professed faith in Christ. The ordinance of baptism is sort of the concluding step of conversion where you leave the world and enter the church. I look at it this way: FAITH+REPENTANCE+BAPTISM=Conversion. BAPTISM-Faith-Repentance=Getting Wet. I think we should follow the NT example by only baptizing professing believers. Then you don’t have the issue of whether or not someone who was baptized as an infant should be re-baptized when they profess faith. However, there are those who were baptized as adults but came to the realization that they were not, in fact, believers at the time of their baptism. I think they should probably be re-baptized in accordance with the biblical model.
Baptism is always valid if the right words are spoken, but I’m curious about the lords supper. If a church does not believe in the real presence (ex: a non denom church) but rightly speaks the words of institution, would we say Christ is present even though the congregation doesn’t believe he is there? I’m inclined to say yes because of how we approach baptism. If there is forgiveness vs judgement is a question I think is harder or hard to say/no answer, but I’d be curious to know your thoughts.
Here's my question: what about baptisms before salvation, or baptisms during what someone might refer to as a false conversion? The Bible says baptism follows conversion, so infant baptisms I don't believe are legit. What if someone was baptized after an emotional stirring of an altar call, and many years later considers that baptism illegitimate because of their lifestyle afterwards, and feel that they were saved later in life?
Baptism is God's doing, so he always does it perfectly. A baptism done with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit cannot, by definition, be "illegitimate." If a person is a "false convert," as you say, and is baptized, they are still baptized. What they should do is not seek a re-do but repent and return to what God did for them originally in baptism.
@@chadbird1517, sorry have to disagree, I was baptized (dry-cleaned) as a baby, many years later I started to get serious about having a personal relationship with our Father and to experience Him in my life. One day I attended a church service with people getting baptized, God's Spirit just told me to go now. I've listened, got an experience in the spirit and afterwards my journey with Him just started to flow. Many people I know got the same experience so not just me...
Any so-called "baptisms" after the initial true baptism are play-acting (at best) and sin (at worst), like a married couple getting "re-married" to each other multiple times, even though they have never divorced.
@@chadbird1517 thanks for the response. I agree. However, I could see a potential pushback with the marriage analogy since people often "renew vows" in a ceremony that looks an awful lot like a marriage ceremony.
This is the only time (so far) I must disagree. You said there's no instance of anyone being re-baptized. Please see Acts 19: 1-6. Now I realize they were baptized into John's baptism, but they WERE re-baptized. If a person doesn't realize what baptism is (being buried with Christ and then raised to a new life) then maybe they should. Otherwise great teaching. Thank you
I was speaking of Christian, Trinitarian rebaptism. John's baptism was not Christian baptism, that is, baptism in name of the Trinity by which we are c-crucified, co-buried, and co-raised with Christ. John's washing was certainly a precursor to Christian baptism but not the same. So my statement stands: there is no example of anyone being rebaptized, not if we are talking about Christian baptism.
I was baptized as an infant but decided that I needed an immersion baptism. Acts 2:38 says "believe and be baptized for the remission of sins." So I did that. I have no great revelation and no great story to tell other than I wished to be obedient.
“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,” 1 Peter 3:18-21 ESV Verse 21 we are answering (pledging) a clean conscience (loyalty) to God. Arise and be baptized and wash away your (Paul) sins calling on the name of the Lord (the one being baptized is calling on the name of Jesus and not another person doing the baptism. What do you think about these text and the way they are written?
That’s not the purpose of baptism., baptism is an act of God for you. The Bible nowhere portrays baptism as the testimony of the person baptized. Passages that link faith to baptism (such as Acts 8:12; 18:8) simply show that faith, publicly professed, is a necessary condition for baptism. Indeed, it is appropriate to include a statement of faith in the baptismal ceremony. However, a baptism itself (the application of water, with accompanying words) is a statement by God (through the church) to and about the person being baptized, not a statement by that person. The person baptized is the recipient of baptism from a minister of Jesus Christ, acting in his name (Matt. 28:18-20; Acts 2:37-42; 8:16; 35-38).
I align, but feel if someone hasn't repented and bonded with Christ in marriage then putting on the baptism ring is false and may need revisited. If the heart, soul and mind isn't a repenting, servent of the Lord as with the disciples in Ephesus according to Acts 19 then a trip to the water is in need.
I was baptized before I was truly saved and when I became a Christian I got baptized again. I don't believe that you should be baptized before you become a Christian and if you become a Christian after you were baptized you should be baptized again. You are not saved by water baptism, it is a public profession of your faith. When you repent of your sins and trust in Christ alone for your salvation you are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit. I have been a prodigal too and Christ sustained me and drew me back to him. I agree that I shouldn't be baptized a third time for recommitting my life to him.
I AM the creator, who I am is the creation. I AM there, for who I am... and others too I AM salvation so therefore who I am sets free I AM that which is, I am who will be Thou shalt not kill or rape Thou shalt not steal Thou shalt not covet for thy neighbor's house Thou shalt not commit adultery Thou shalt not bear false witness Honor thy father and mother Keep the day of rest holy I AM who I am, I am love and clarity I AM life, so I am that which is rest Revelations:? *7 seals* the 7s in the revelation (rainbow 7 colors, 7 angels, 7 stars, 7 days in the beginning) Thou shalt not kill Thou shalt not steal Thou shalt not covet for thy neighbor's house Thou shall not commit adultery Thou shalt not bear false witness/Not Lie on others Thou shalt honor thy mother and father Keep your day of rest holy *The lamb* *The spirit that hovered above the waters* *The ark of the covenant before men* I am who I am, I AM sent me I AM the ONE who rescued you from the land of Egypt, the place of slavery 1. You must put no other gods before who I AM You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth beneath in the sea 2. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I AM jealous and WILL NOT tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parent onto the children, The entire family is affected 3. You must not misuse my name. I will not let those who misuse my name go unpunished, You must not take who I AM in vain. Ignoring the other 7 could lead to "beastly" nature and ignoring the other 7 could turn you into a false prophet (Rainbow in the sky) Taking the name and doing whatever could turn you into a Pharaoh or "Noah" inside and out, who cursed his son for telling the truth, put fear and dread in the hearts, taught to kill and about blasphemy which lead to many prophets deaths, burned up the 7 clean animals (7 commands), write his noahhides and taught to kill, and began the enslavement of Africa 🌈 or Aaron who taught to kill also forsaking the covenant broken again, who created the 613 laws but also used the first 3 in the covenant-making it 616, the mark of a man, cleverly removed by men in power, and then peter and paul who took the Romans and greeks to Jerusalem through revelation and not circumcising the hearts again. Gentiles are those whose hearts aren't circumcised and then begin to take lives for religious law, and are missing the scarlet ribbon from Joshua in their books, John the Baptist's wine... Jehohanan Ben Hagios the real crucified one. Who's story was beheaded and crucified. Put in their field for the price of a slave.
Brother, I also believe the Bible is clear about baptism and I agree with you, there is only one baptism, indeed. - With that said, we have to be careful and look at the word of God to: - 1) See what Jesus commanded 2) See how the apostles also applied Jesus’ teachings, especially when it came to baptism. - Baptism is the result of the act of repentance (Metanoia) and a conscious decision to follow the Lord and surrender to Christ’s Lordship. It’s where our old self d1e, we are cleansed from sin and receive the new life in Christ through the Holy Spirit. - Baptism is only one and it was established in this context by Jesus and the apostles. - However, the baptizing of babies and infants is NOT baptism to begin with, even if it’s a modern tradition… - It was never taught by Jesus or the apostles, so when you say “the water never evaporates” to hold the view of “if a baby was baptized” and thus, re-baptizing is not necessary, is not biblical. - Since babies or infants are not able to make this conscious decision, tradition started to “dedicate” (baby baptism) them to the Lord… but it’s not biblical, making the element “water” obsolete in that case.
Jesus said that we are to baptize all people. Infants are included in that command. It is clear in Acts that entire households where baptized which would include children and infants. Paul links baptism as the new circumcision which was applied to 8 day year old infants. Baptism is god's gift of salvation to all people. It's a means of grace. Look at all the church fathers and their testimonies of being baptized as infants. This includes Polycarp who was a disciple of St. John.
Baptism of infants goes back to the first century. Born with a fallen nature and tainted by original sin , children also need of the new birth in Baptism to be freed from the power of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children of God , to which all men are called. The sheer gratuitousness of the grace of salvation is particularly manifest in infant baptism. The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth
@@chadbird1517 then I need to repent, & I will. I thought it was God leading me to be baptized again. I Prayed about it for months before I went through with it. I guess I was wrong. Not only about the baptism, but about hearing from God. Now, I’m back to questioning everything. Not a good place to be.
@@pattichapman7296, don't question it, I was one of many people I know where God worked in us to get baptized (all were "baptized" as infants) and afterwards experienced Him working on another level in our lives. Always listen to Him alone.
The Church of Christ (not the mormons) says you must be baptized & understand why. All denominational churches are incorrect, period. You must hear the gospel, believe the gospel, repent, confess, be baptized & live loyally to GOD until death, period.
When JESUS said you must be born of water and the spirit,the spirit of course is The HOLY SPIRIT,And the water is the LIVING WATER JESUS HIMSELF. John 4:10 “Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.” Baptism is an act we are not saved by acts we are saved by grace. Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” Immersion baptism is an outward sign to other believers ,it is a show of unity.!
You can only be baptised once for the forgiveness of sins. Why is the definition and purpose of Baptism misunderstood among the various denominations ? There is something seriously wrong in the minds of so called Christians who cannot unanimously agree on Baptism. Baptism is by water and the Holy Spirit.
I was baptized as an infant in the Catholic church. Since baptism is a result of our knowledge of sin and acknowledgment of sin and conscious choice to turn from it- all of which an infant is incapable of- then it is null and void. It will definitely mean something as an adult, provided your heart recognizes and agrees with and submits to those "requirements" (for lack of a better word).
Not at all. Do you need to be baptized in water in the first place? Paul said he never came to baptize but to preach the gospel! 1 Cor 1:17, the one baptism is the baptism by the Spirit of God upon truly believing in Christ unto salvation,
Why then did Paul baptize so many new believers? Why did he list all the people that he water baptized that were in the Corinthian church in the 3 verses prior to the one you quoted? We need to follow the scriptural model and water baptize new converts. And, in addition, the verse you quote (1:17) is within a larger context of discussing factions and divisions in the church. His comment was specifically a reference to the fact that he was glad he had witnesses that he never baptized in his own name. He wants the Corinthians to understand that they are “of Christ” and not “of Paul.” He didn’t mean his comment to be used to not water baptize people, when we have evidence throughout the book of Acts that he water baptized new believers regularly.
Unless there is an explicit reason to believe a reference to baptism is other than literal, then water baptism is always the case. That is what the word means, to apply water to someone.
Aren't there 2 different words used for "baptism"? One meaning something like a washing off and the other like and immersion that brings about a change? Like new sponge, it can be run under the faucet and it merely sheds the water, but immersing the sponge changes it as it is filled by the water
The word Trinity is not orthodox. It’s a made up word. One may totally believe in the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit without adapting the word Trinity in all of its revisions.
@@bigtobacco1098, anything that doesn't follow the teaching of the Bible, believe and get baptized (submerged) in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is not true baptism.
No one says that mere "dipping in water" is baptism. Whatever one's theology, I think we all agree that baptism is much more than that, even those who think baptism is symbolic and and not salvific.
@@aletheia8054 Ancient Greek has no more bearing on the meaning of NT Greek words than Geoffrey Chaucer's use of 14th c. English words does on our use of English today. It may be interesting linguistically, but how Chaucer used a word does not determine the meaning of that word today. So, how Homer, for instance, used a Greek word has little to no bearing on how Paul used a word. Words derive their meanings from the historical and linguistic contexts in which they are used. Closer to the NT is the use of the verb in the Septuagint, where, for instance, when Naaman "went down and dipped in the Jordan seven times," the Greek word for "dipped" is βαπτίζω (2 Kings 5:14). Clearly, water is central to this act. When we first encounter the verb in the NT, it is in the Gospels, with John's actions at the Jordan. He is βαπτίζω, that is, baptizing in water. That is the literal meaning of the word. Is it sometimes used metaphorically? Sure, such as the baptism of the Spirit or when Jesus speaks of his death as a baptism. But unless there is clear evidence that the word is being used metaphorically, it is logical to assume that the concrete meaning obtains, namely, that baptism is done with water.
@@chadbird1517 yes ancient Greek does have bearing on the meaning of the word because that’s the language they spoke. Every usage of the Greek word for baptism in ancient Greek referred to the effect not the mode. Every single time. If you’re into books, there’s a book called Baptidzo by James Bass. It’s a 500 year word study on nothing but the Greek word Baptidzo
Not needing water to be baptized is like saying you don't need food to eat or water to drink or clothes to be clothed. The literal meaning of the Greek verb for baptize, βαπτίζω, is to dip in water, dip under water, use water to wash, etc. Is the verb sometimes used metaphorically? Sure, such as the baptism of the Spirit or when Jesus speaks of his death as a baptism. But unless there is clear evidence that the word is being used metaphorically, it is logical to assume that the concrete meaning obtains, namely, that baptism is done with water.
@andrevisser7542 I was at young age but upon further understanding and revelation from the Holy Spirit I have come to the realization that it is not necessary. Now let's discuss the definition of baptize referenced in the above post... baptize means "to dip in water, so under water, use water to wash". If we insert that meaning into Luke 3:16 which states "John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Now let's insert the definition and see if it makes any sense...16John answered, saying to all, “I indeed (dip in water, dip under water, use water to wash)you with water...", why use water twice, makes absolutely no sense. It's because water is not implied. There are actually three definitions... 1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk) 2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe 3. to overwhelm This is why John said I baptize with water but Christ will baptize with the Holy Spirit. Both are immersion but one is immersed with water and the other is immersed by the Holy Spirit in Christ's blood. Paul even said in Ephesians that there is only one baptism. So if someone wants to choose the water baptism, feel free but it does absolutely nothing.
I was raised in a sect that denies the Trinity. And I was "baptized" aka dunked in water, but really it was a baptism into the community, which viewed itself as the only true believers on earth. Fast forward to now, I believe in a Savior, God the Son, and I'm being baptized, in my eyes for the first time, this Sunday.
Thanks be to God!
Praise God!
Very helpful, thank you brother for sharing this. I was baptized at 12. Then because of faulty understanding on my part, I was re-baptized at a different Church, thinking that I had drifted away from God and this was a chance to "re-enlist"as it were and show my sincerity. I know now, thanks be to God, that I was wrong in thinking this way. So thankful for good teachers like you that help us see great truths of God. Keep up the good work, brother!
Thank you for this great video. I was baptized in April of this year.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Sir. May peace be with you and your family. ❤
Thank you for this! An answer to prayer. ❤
I think your analysis falls short of a few aspects. My 1st point of critique is that you talk about Gods will that is expressed in Gods word but you dont mention it. Thats not good.
I personally believe that baptism in the water is just obedience, but fair enough if you see it different. I interpret Mat3 differently, thats not my point.
However, you say that the person that baptizes does that on behalf of Christ, but Jesus Christ not a single time baptized anyone and I see no reason why He should do that after His resurrection.
Especially because of John 5:30, where Jesus makes clear that He OBEYS the Fathers will. Jesus (and you are right that we dont baptize ourselves), was not baptized by Himself. He obeyed the Fathers will (thats why I believe baptism is pure obedience) and got baptized by John the Baptist.
Also, Mat 3:11-17 states the "repentance" as a requirement (maybe more obvious in Acts 2:38), hence if that requirement was not met, the person fooled the pastor, but never baptized him in the first place. You covered a part with your statement about the trinity and you were right to do so. in other words, you need to be saved and accept the blood of Christ on the cross according to Rom3.25 and Rom10:9-10, otherwise you are no disciple, did not repent, not saved - hence never got baptized in the first place - you just got wet.
Now, in regard to Mat3 God sends you gifts of the Holy Spirit, which does not mean the Holy Spirit Himself (we receive that when being saved aka baptized in the Holy Spirit) but gifts of Him (which might be faith (Eph 2:8) or love for His word (1Cor13) etc. Now, we don't know if those gifts come upon us because of obedience or the act of baptism itself. So I am fine with your interpretation as you might be correct.
I think Mat28:19-20 is clear: Make them disciples and baptize them with "them" referring to the disciples and not to the first "them" (people before they became disciples). Its a sequence of actions: becoming disciple first, then getting baptized.
And you become a disciple by being saved, saved by repentance and accepting the Cross and therefore being baptized in the Holy Spirit. The baptism in the water is then the official statement from you in public that you submit to the Lord Jesus Christ (same like Rom10:10). And the aspect of being saved aka being a disciple is emphasized in acts 2:38-41. How to become a disciple is further covered in John 8:31-32, John 13:34-35, Luke 14:33. You can forget about my interpretation of "baptism is just obedience" if you dont want to interpret the verses mentioned above as such, but we need to be disciples.
You are right that re-baptism does not exist, but you are wrong in what you define as baptism. You need to be a disciple to be baptized or you just got wet. Children, especially newborn, cant be baptized. They just got wet because the declaration that you submit to the Lord and repent is missing and I would think (but thats just my opinion) that no-one below the age of 12, maybe even later depending on his development and growth in His word and his faith can make such a declaration.
Since the water baptism is a kind of ceremony (something that is done in the world), and comes after the spiritual aspects of repentance, calling on the name of the Lord, accepting the Cross and the Blood, being baptized in the Holy Spirit, being saved, receiving the ability for faith and love and all that "from glory to glory (2Cor3:18) hence a continuous transformation takes place - thats the reason why I see it as pure obedience.
One day we will find out who is right and who is wrong and fortunately none of us will then even care about it 🙂
God bless you Chad!
Good word. Thank you, sir.
Colossians 2 is crystal clear. Baptism is accomplished without human hands in the powerful working of God.
Thank you for making this so beautifully clear!
Jesus looks at your heart always. What Chad is teaching is clear and spot on! But we ourselves have different understandings and do not understand the truth right away. Jesus understands that. Us making a mistake is not a deal-breaker with Jesus
Hundred percent agree was trying to join a church and they said that I had to be rebaptized.I told them that I guess I wasn't going to become a member.
I had been wondering. I was in an alternate church that does not affirm the Trinity. Baptized in that church, and now I want to be baptized in a church that does affirm the Trinity. Thank you for the clarification .
Glad it helped!
Once when I was a kid, I heard a girl in an argument say "I would know. I've been saved 3 times and baptized twice!" It would be hilarious if not so sad. Ironically, this occured in a once saved always saved Southern Baptist Church.....
Thats brilliant. I rather foolishly got rebaptised when i went from Catholic monk to evangelical. I wanted a clean break...and total immersion! I think i should commerate and thank God for my first Baptism, which date i remember. What to make of the second baptism? Should i think of it as a sin, sacrilege, a foolish mistake? God be praised i got the Gospel anyway!!
That is a good question! I was baptized at 1 month old, I had no say, no choice. Left the Catholic Church and drifted for quite a few years. When I did find a church, I had a few conversations with the Pastor, asking if I need or should be rebaptized. He said it was ok. However, after hearing this I am wondering have I sinned? Do I need to repent because of my second baptism? what happens now?
I would say, "yes." Repent and thank God for his work in the first and continued work in strengthening your faith day by day.
@@charleneknighton7186 You should be baptized after you repent of your sins and trust in Christ alone for your salvation. When you become a Christian you are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Water baptism doesn't save you it is a public profession of faith. In Acts 10:47 - 48 people are being baptized after they receive the Holy Spirit.
@@ryankimbrough9597 Baptism, which is like that water, now saves you. 1 Peter 3;21
@@ryankimbrough9597 It is water and the Holy Spirit. When the person is baptising someone using the words" I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit descends down into the water, forgiving you original sin and all sins you may have committed. Then you become an adopted child of God abounding in grace and faith.
Amen🙏🏽❤. Great explanation, Chad. Thank you🙏🏽❤,
So what are your thoughts when Paul meet some believer and he asked them have you receive the Holy Ghost since you believe? They said no, we aren't sure there is a Holy Ghost. Paul asked how we're you Baptisted. They said unto John. Paul then commanded that they be rebaptisted in the name of Jesus Chirst
This is not a Christian rebaptism. John the Baptist's baptism was not (what we call) Christian baptism. It was done in preparation for the Messiah. It was certainly not done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This example, therefore, has not bearing on the question. This would be akin to people saying: "We have been eating the Passover but now we are going to begin eating the Lord's Supper." In other words, it is a move from the old covenant way to the new covenant way.
@@chadbird1517 OK, Chad..but neither did Paul command them to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If John's baptism was not a 'Christian' baptism (and I will give you that), why did Paul command them to be baptized in the way that he did?
As an infant, I was baptized. Many years later on my way to a Christian event the spirit of God began to impress upon me to be baptized. I had no idea about the venue which turned out to have a pool. My heart was pounding but I was strongly impressed to follow through. I am so glad I did! As I came up out of the water, I knew my sins were behind me and I was free.
I was baptized as an infant but was raised outside the church in a secular home. I became a Christian while a freshman in college and was baptized by single immersion ~3 years later in a local church. unbeknownst to me at the time, this church believed in baptismal regeneration, but that's another story. Later, I was deeply involved with a Grace Brethren church, but to become a member I first needed to be rebaptized the "correct" way according to them, by triple immersion, based on their interpretation of Matt. 28:19-20). This was wonderful church family that I was a part of, but sadly I determined that I had no choice but to leave, believing that the baptism I received as an adult 3 years earlier was no more of a repeatable event than the finished work of Christ. It's sad that baptism causes so much confusion and even division in the body of Christ.
Ephesians 4,5-6
Thank you for this video. It helped me a lot.
I was baptised in 2005 when I made a declaration of faith in Jesus. I was then baptized a second time in 2016. The reason for the rebaptism was because in 2005 I decided to change my name by deed poll. I changed it because I was ashamed of the person I was before I made a declaration of faith in Jesus, I was ashamed of the abusive family I was born into. I thought it the right thing to change my name. But, as soon as I changed my name the Lord was very clear with me when He said "that is not your name and you will change back to your original name." I spent 10 years wrestling with my new name change. Stubbornness, pride, anger, control issues etc etc. But in 2016 after I experienced the Lord's Discipline (short prison sentence -long story), I came out of prison and within weeks I reverted back to the name God gave me at birth which I then found out the meaning of which is 'God is gracious'.....my God given name is John.
The name I changed to in 2005 was Leon.
Although I've found nowhere in scripture that gives credence to being baptized twice, I felt in my spirit that the first one was not right, I was baptised with the wrong name.
The whole God is gracious meaning to my real name has had such an impact on my life post prison as my pre prison walk with Jesus was one of struggling in my own strength to let go of the hurts, pains, addictions etc in my own strength and continually failing. Learning to trust my Heavenly father as the picture I had of a father was one of vile abuse. Throughout my pre prison walk, Gods Grace was being poured out on me. At no time did I ever use it as a licence to sin, never. God knew what he was doing with me and He knows what he's got left to do in me. I don't and that's how it should be as I continue to learn to walk by faith & not by sight.
Praise God for His work for and in you as you struggled. I can relate to that release and joy when we realize God has had us all along and we are truly His, despite any circumstances of life. Thank you for your testimony of His grace and mercy.
I can attest that when I was 12 I was baptized as I was joining the fellowship in the church. Later after I was born again, I chose to be baptized again due to my change in my heart and the biblical connotation of outward commitment of my heart and life being truly and fully committed to following Christ. My story.....
Great witness. You weren't re-baptized because at the age of 12 no one can take the responsibility which is required to be baptized. There is no biblical proof of infant or youth baptism. But there were only adults beeing baptized. This is referred to the fact that with your baptism you are on the spritural battleground. How old had an israelite to be to be a soldier and by which age god choose to kill the rebellious israelites in the dessert ? Both by 20years. So with 20years you count as an adult. And you need to be an adult to fully comprehend what you are up to Do with your life. Greetings from germany 😉
I was baptized when I accepted Christ as my Savior. Then had to do it again in a Baptist Church only to make them happy. It did absolutely nothing for my salvation, and I’ve had about enough of membership in a local church when the bible doesn’t teach membership in a local church
Think the real question then becomes when does God want to baptize individuals in this perfect manner.... Before any repentance as decided by their parents when they were babies or after repentance at whatever age that happens??
I would rather argue for the second one. Babies being baptized in not clearly mentionned in the Bible. Baptism follows rather repentance of sin and new birth in Christ. IMHO... Blessings.
I sure appreciate you brother
I have a fourth "R" for you: Relationship.
I'm saved (thank You, Lord!), but my husband is not. Should the Lord extend His grace to my husband in salvation, I plan to be re-baptized when my husband is baptized. I want to to it to show solidarity with him and to symbolize the commitment we now BOTH have to serving and worshiping the Lord.
I don't know how that kind of baptism fits in, LOL
I was baptized during a Methodist confirmation ceremony. Years later I felt the need to be "baptized for real" and now, again a few years later, realize that I never understood the significance of baptism at all (identifying with Christ in His death and resurrection). I still sin, i still feel guilty ALL the time, I dont feel or act like I honor God and His gift like I should and my conscience is ALWAYS accusing me. I feel disgusting and filthy and useless all the time. I truly struggle with believing I (personally) am truly saved even though I believe Christ is all He said He is and did all He said He did. People talk about coming out of their baptism feeling washed and pure. I've never had that experience. I just feel digusting and filthy all the time. How then can I believe my baptism, any of them is for real? I do firmly believe the Holy Spirit does the work of baptism. Of course, if I truly believed that, I wouldn't feel so disgusting, right? Why isnt my conscience cleansed?
Are you going to a church that preaches the Good News to you? I ask because that is what you need to hear, over and over. Baptism does not erase our emotions. We can certainly still feel guilty. I know I do. That is why I cannot hear the Gospel enough--the Good News that you are forgiven. Christ has removed your sin as far as the east is from the west. It is gone. May that voice of hope and forgiveness be your peace.
In Acts 19:1-5, Paul found Disciples of John in Ephesus who were baptized by John. Paul knew they needed to be baptized in the name of Jesus and re-baptized them. So, there is a precedent in the bible for re-baptizing when the first baptism was not legitimate. Further more, baptism always follows regeneration. If someone gets baptized before they sincerely get saved or regenerated, then that is grounds for re-baptism. I see your point that if the first one wasn't a legitimate baptism them the second isn't technically a "re-baptism." Since an infant cannot make a decision for Christ, all infant baptisms are illegitimate and necessitate a legitimate baptism once a decision is made for Christ later in life. Chad, I am a fan, but we do differ in some areas of belief... and that's fine.
If the baptism was done genuinely as the Holy Scriptures, by immersion and in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; I agree, there is only one baptism. The Peace of God be with you all.
I think connecting the idea of subject-object with defining Baptism as a work in this way is a misleading dichotomy. We can say that God is performing a work through the Catechuman in a reflexive sense while also saying they are making a pledge unto God by their participation; there isn't any particular reason, as far as I can tell, that these things would be in contradiction.
God Baptises you into Christ while your spirit pledges in accordance with the Holy Spirit to the new life you then receive.
5:41 The problem with this is that Jesus never Baptised anyone(John 4:2). He commissioned the Apostles to do so, certainly, but the only example he Himself gave us was of his own Baptism, which we know by John's response and sound Christology he didn't need to do for the purpose of repentance but so that 'all righteousness may be fulfilled' and this would stand as an example for all who follow Him. Jesus does Baptise with the Holy Spirit but this is taught in contrast to water Baptism so I don't think we can say the relationship between these is so simple.
Is 'following Jesus' passive in the sense that you are defining it? Was the Ethiopian Eunuch merely passive when he requested Philip Baptise him? If you're trying to say someone *requesting* Baptism is simply unrelated to them *being* Baptised I feel like that's a very thin argument. There isn't somehow this radical discontinuity where someone responds to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, follows him with a new heart, then... passively receives Baptism without actively assenting to the Trinitarian formula or what Baptism itself represents. This is why we catechise people in the first place; it would be a rather pointless practice if we only needed their consent and nothing further for the sake of responsible orthopraxy.
"There's no biblical precedence for rebaptism..."
What do you make of Acts 19:1-5 then? Genuinely asking...
Acts 19:1-5 CSB - While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul traveled through the interior regions and came to Ephesus. He found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed? ”
“No,” they told him, “we haven’t even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” “Into what then were you baptized? ” he asked them.
“Into John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people that they should believe in the one who would come after him, that is, in Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
Respectfully, I also have this question
Same!
And I dont mean to derail the conversation but Im also wrestling with the idea that some rudimentary knowledge and understanding of the Holy Spirit is at the very least associated with a proper baptism into Jesus based on the passage in the OP. With that being said, Im having a hard time accepting that infants can be baptized as they dont have any ability to know or understand what they are about to receive.
I don’t think this could qualify as a rebaptism though, as they were baptized unto repentance (according to the order of John) . There’s also the baptism unto Christ (which is what they ended up receiving) which is another type of baptism just as there are others (ie the baptism unto Moses Paul references in 1 Corinthians 10:2). This isn’t to say that I don’t think we can be baptized into Christ twice. I’m still pondering that
@@nigelreid186 that seems to directly contradict the "one baptism" passage he uses to dispel this sort of language.
@@EricCouture315 one baptism towards Jesus Christ. Yeah I’m leaning if you’ve been baptized into Jesus once then that’s it - especially since that one faith one baptism verse. I’m just saying that there are different types/administrations of baptisms that have occurred from the Old Testament until being baptized into the Lord Jesus (ie baptized into the cloud and sea from Moses, baptized into repentance from john). So I’m saying we can’t qualify that example of the ones who were baptized by John were “rebaptized” in the same way Christians talk about being rebaptized today because today they’re talking about being baptized into Christ again rather than the former were baptized first to John and then again into the more perfect/complete one (Jesus). Hope this makes sense
Thoughts on infant baptism, and someone now considering an adult baptism of their own choosing should do so? I’ve been sitting on this for like a year. Too long.
I'm kind of in the same boat here - baptised in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as a baby/toddler (not that I remember it but I think that's how it was), but this didn't exactly follow the order of 'repent/believe and be baptised' and a lot of other passages that speak of the purpose/symbolism/reason for baptism in the NT...
God saved you in the baptismal waters of your infant Baptism. Baptize your babies and praise God for your Baptism.
i was baptized as an infant and I am grateful every day for this gift that God gave me. He brought me into the family of God just as he brought the infants of the Old Testament into the family of God through circumcision. In my baptism he united me into the death of Christ so that I might be united in the resurrection of Christ and freed from the slavery of sin (Romans 6:1 - 11). I am grateful for the salvation that I received, the forgiveness of sins that I received, and the holy spirit that i received. The call to repent and be baptized is appropriate for adults but it's not a universal command given to all people. If that was the case then Jesus would have said in the the great commission to make disciples by having them repent, then be baptized, and then teach them to obey everything. If we are saved by grace through faith then baptism is the ultimate expression of that grace. I didn't do anything to deserve or earn salvation, it was freely given to me. Since faith comes by hearing the word, then the words of baptism spoken over me created faith in my heart as an infant. Now i can celebrate and give thanks that God has been my god from the very get go of my life.
There is no scripture for infant baptism, Bible teaches believe and get baptized.
@@andrevisser7542 - there are no scriptures that don’t say baptize a baby. But there is a scripture that says we should baptize all nations (Which means all people everywhere).
Matt.21:16 from the lips of children and infants you Lord have called forth your praise. Luke 1:41 when Elizabeth heard Marys greeting ,the baby leaped in her womb. Luke 18:27..."What is impossible with man is possible with God. Christ Hebrews12:2 ...remember He is the author and finisher of our faith 😊
It comes down to this, if your original baptism was not, in your heart, a matter of being convicted of your sin and NEED for forgiveness of that sin and repenting of that sin, then the "baptism" meant nothing. Baptism scripturally, in Galatians 2:20 and Colossians 2:12, involves a death AND burial to the flesh, to self.
I was babtized as an infant into the Roman Catholic church and was heading straight to hell.
At the age of 37, l cried out to God, and he saved me.
The only baptism that we need today is the baptism whereby the Holy Spirit-not a priest or preacher-places us into the Church the Body of Christ. This is a waterless, supernatural baptism. Paul also refers to this baptism in Romans 6:3-5, Colossians 2:12, and Galatians 3:27.
The common meaning of "baptize" is to apply water. If you are arguing that those texts refer to a "waterless" baptism, you have to produce biblical evidence. In other words, unless a baptism is explicitly said to be "baptism of the Spirit," it is, BY DEFINITION, a baptism by water.
Nah, Chad is wrong about this. Water baptism isn't what God does for you. Baptism of spirit, circumcision of the heart is what God does for us when we believe; Colossians 2, ephesians 1. Water Baptism is something we do ourselves, and we can choose to or not; Luke7:29,30 (John's Baptism but it counts even more with Baptism for Christ) 1 Peter 3:21
Please forgive my ignorance, but I have a hypothetical question.What is your opinion on someone from a credo-baptist tradition who was baptized before their salvation?
For instance, if someone “went forward” to be saved because their sibling was saved and was baptized, but later realized they had never truly believed and was saved later in life. Would that person need to be re-baptized?
God did the baptism the first time, so there is no need for rebaptism. Baptism is never about what we do but about what God is doing. Just as in the OT, circumcision was received, in the NT, baptism is received. It is done once (as was circumcision), it is done to the body (as was circumcision), and there is no need for a repeat.
@@chadbird1517 Interesting. I'll say that's not what I had been taught growing up in SBC churches, but I'm intrigued by the thought of it. I guess I know what I'll be reading about for the next few weeks/months. 😁
Thanks!
Btw, can you send me the pdf file of biblical Hebrew book as a new learner?
I would but I do not have such a PDF.
Well certainly you answered this question from within your faith tradition. But I am not a Lutheran and have a very different understanding of the rite. I have a very “baptistic” understanding of baptism, though I’m not a Baptist per se. When I look at the NT, baptism is not for infants/babies or unbelievers. In every instance in the NT, believers were baptized after they professed faith in Christ. The ordinance of baptism is sort of the concluding step of conversion where you leave the world and enter the church. I look at it this way: FAITH+REPENTANCE+BAPTISM=Conversion. BAPTISM-Faith-Repentance=Getting Wet. I think we should follow the NT example by only baptizing professing believers. Then you don’t have the issue of whether or not someone who was baptized as an infant should be re-baptized when they profess faith. However, there are those who were baptized as adults but came to the realization that they were not, in fact, believers at the time of their baptism. I think they should probably be re-baptized in accordance with the biblical model.
Good!
No. Ephisians 4:5 - "...One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism..." Scripture,
Baptism is always valid if the right words are spoken, but I’m curious about the lords supper. If a church does not believe in the real presence (ex: a non denom church) but rightly speaks the words of institution, would we say Christ is present even though the congregation doesn’t believe he is there? I’m inclined to say yes because of how we approach baptism. If there is forgiveness vs judgement is a question I think is harder or hard to say/no answer, but I’d be curious to know your thoughts.
Here's my question: what about baptisms before salvation, or baptisms during what someone might refer to as a false conversion? The Bible says baptism follows conversion, so infant baptisms I don't believe are legit. What if someone was baptized after an emotional stirring of an altar call, and many years later considers that baptism illegitimate because of their lifestyle afterwards, and feel that they were saved later in life?
Baptism is God's doing, so he always does it perfectly. A baptism done with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit cannot, by definition, be "illegitimate." If a person is a "false convert," as you say, and is baptized, they are still baptized. What they should do is not seek a re-do but repent and return to what God did for them originally in baptism.
@@chadbird1517, sorry have to disagree, I was baptized (dry-cleaned) as a baby, many years later I started to get serious about having a personal relationship with our Father and to experience Him in my life.
One day I attended a church service with people getting baptized, God's Spirit just told me to go now. I've listened, got an experience in the spirit and afterwards my journey with Him just started to flow.
Many people I know got the same experience so not just me...
Ephesians 4,5-6 only one baptism one Lord one faith
So my question is, what do we do with people who have veen baptized multiple times? What do I call the second time since there is one baptism??
Any so-called "baptisms" after the initial true baptism are play-acting (at best) and sin (at worst), like a married couple getting "re-married" to each other multiple times, even though they have never divorced.
@@chadbird1517 thanks for the response. I agree. However, I could see a potential pushback with the marriage analogy since people often "renew vows" in a ceremony that looks an awful lot like a marriage ceremony.
The bigger question is if getting baptized more than once is a sin. According to some that is yes.
Acts of the Apostles 16,15-17
Every member of the house got baptized .
This is the only time (so far) I must disagree. You said there's no instance of anyone being re-baptized. Please see Acts 19: 1-6. Now I realize they were baptized into John's baptism, but they WERE re-baptized. If a person doesn't realize what baptism is (being buried with Christ and then raised to a new life) then maybe they should. Otherwise great teaching. Thank you
I was speaking of Christian, Trinitarian rebaptism. John's baptism was not Christian baptism, that is, baptism in name of the Trinity by which we are c-crucified, co-buried, and co-raised with Christ. John's washing was certainly a precursor to Christian baptism but not the same. So my statement stands: there is no example of anyone being rebaptized, not if we are talking about Christian baptism.
@chadbird1517 In that case I stand corrected. I do thank you.
I believe in a believers baptism.
I was baptized as an infant but decided that I needed an immersion baptism. Acts 2:38 says "believe and be baptized for the remission of sins." So I did that. I have no great revelation and no great story to tell other than I wished to be obedient.
There is biblical precedent for infant baptism. Please get immersed as an adult.
@@tedroybal5231 I did
“For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,”
1 Peter 3:18-21 ESV
Verse 21 we are answering (pledging) a clean conscience (loyalty) to God.
Arise and be baptized and wash away your (Paul) sins calling on the name of the Lord (the one being baptized is calling on the name of Jesus and not another person doing the baptism.
What do you think about these text and the way they are written?
Acts 2:38 "For the remission of sins..." If a baptism was NOT for that purpose was it really a baptism? How could a baby repent of sins?
You left part of the passage out
That’s not the purpose of baptism., baptism is an act of God for you. The Bible nowhere portrays baptism as the testimony of the person baptized. Passages that link faith to baptism (such as Acts 8:12; 18:8) simply show that faith, publicly professed, is a necessary condition for baptism. Indeed, it is appropriate to include a statement of faith in the baptismal ceremony. However, a baptism itself (the application of water, with accompanying words) is a statement by God (through the church) to and about the person being baptized, not a statement by that person. The person baptized is the recipient of baptism from a minister of Jesus Christ, acting in his name (Matt. 28:18-20; Acts 2:37-42; 8:16; 35-38).
I align, but feel if someone hasn't repented and bonded with Christ in marriage then putting on the baptism ring is false and may need revisited. If the heart, soul and mind isn't a repenting, servent of the Lord as with the disciples in Ephesus according to Acts 19 then a trip to the water is in need.
I was baptized before I was truly saved and when I became a Christian I got baptized again. I don't believe that you should be baptized before you become a Christian and if you become a Christian after you were baptized you should be baptized again. You are not saved by water baptism, it is a public profession of your faith. When you repent of your sins and trust in Christ alone for your salvation you are saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit. I have been a prodigal too and Christ sustained me and drew me back to him. I agree that I shouldn't be baptized a third time for recommitting my life to him.
No rebaptisms in scripture
Gifts of Jesus? Can you explain that, please?
I think this will help: help.1517.org/knowledge/does-baptism-save
@@chadbird1517 Not really, no.
I AM the creator, who I am is the creation.
I AM there, for who I am... and others too
I AM salvation so therefore who I am sets free
I AM that which is, I am who will be
Thou shalt not kill or rape
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not covet for thy neighbor's house
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not bear false witness
Honor thy father and mother
Keep the day of rest holy
I AM who I am, I am love and clarity
I AM life, so I am that which is rest
Revelations:?
*7 seals* the 7s in the revelation (rainbow 7 colors, 7 angels, 7 stars, 7 days in the beginning)
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not covet for thy neighbor's house
Thou shall not commit adultery
Thou shalt not bear false witness/Not Lie on others
Thou shalt honor thy mother and father
Keep your day of rest holy
*The lamb* *The spirit that hovered above the waters* *The ark of the covenant before men*
I am who I am, I AM sent me
I AM the ONE who rescued you from the land of Egypt, the place of slavery
1. You must put no other gods before who I AM
You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth beneath in the sea
2. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I AM jealous and WILL NOT tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parent onto the children, The entire family is affected
3. You must not misuse my name. I will not let those who misuse my name go unpunished, You must not take who I AM in vain.
Ignoring the other 7 could lead to "beastly" nature and ignoring the other 7 could turn you into a false prophet (Rainbow in the sky) Taking the name and doing whatever could turn you into a Pharaoh or "Noah" inside and out, who cursed his son for telling the truth, put fear and dread in the hearts, taught to kill and about blasphemy which lead to many prophets deaths, burned up the 7 clean animals (7 commands), write his noahhides and taught to kill, and began the enslavement of Africa 🌈 or Aaron who taught to kill also forsaking the covenant broken again, who created the 613 laws but also used the first 3 in the covenant-making it 616, the mark of a man, cleverly removed by men in power, and then peter and paul who took the Romans and greeks to Jerusalem through revelation and not circumcising the hearts again. Gentiles are those whose hearts aren't circumcised and then begin to take lives for religious law, and are missing the scarlet ribbon from Joshua in their books, John the Baptist's wine... Jehohanan Ben Hagios the real crucified one. Who's story was beheaded and crucified. Put in their field for the price of a slave.
Brother, I also believe the Bible is clear about baptism and I agree with you, there is only one baptism, indeed.
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With that said, we have to be careful and look at the word of God to:
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1) See what Jesus commanded
2) See how the apostles also applied Jesus’ teachings, especially when it came to baptism.
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Baptism is the result of the act of repentance (Metanoia) and a conscious decision to follow the Lord and surrender to Christ’s Lordship. It’s where our old self d1e, we are cleansed from sin and receive the new life in Christ through the Holy Spirit.
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Baptism is only one and it was established in this context by Jesus and the apostles.
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However, the baptizing of babies and infants is NOT baptism to begin with, even if it’s a modern tradition…
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It was never taught by Jesus or the apostles, so when you say “the water never evaporates” to hold the view of “if a baby was baptized” and thus, re-baptizing is not necessary, is not biblical.
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Since babies or infants are not able to make this conscious decision, tradition started to “dedicate” (baby baptism) them to the Lord… but it’s not biblical, making the element “water” obsolete in that case.
Jesus said that we are to baptize all people. Infants are included in that command. It is clear in Acts that entire households where baptized which would include children and infants. Paul links baptism as the new circumcision which was applied to 8 day year old infants. Baptism is god's gift of salvation to all people. It's a means of grace. Look at all the church fathers and their testimonies of being baptized as infants. This includes Polycarp who was a disciple of St. John.
Baptism of infants goes back to the first century. Born with a fallen nature and tainted by original sin , children also need of the new birth in Baptism to be freed from the power of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children of God , to which all men are called. The sheer gratuitousness of the grace of salvation is particularly manifest in infant baptism. The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth
You're understanding of church history is wrong
No dedication in scripture
No rebaptisms in scripture
Is it a sin to be rebaptized? I don’t want opinions, don’t tell me how you feel about it. I just want facts. Thank you.
Yes, it is a sin because it runs contrary to what God has taught us in his Word.
@@chadbird1517 then I need to repent, & I will. I thought it was God leading me to be baptized again. I Prayed about it for months before I went through with it. I guess I was wrong. Not only about the baptism, but about hearing from God. Now, I’m back to questioning everything. Not a good place to be.
@@pattichapman7296, don't question it, I was one of many people I know where God worked in us to get baptized (all were "baptized" as infants) and afterwards experienced Him working on another level in our lives. Always listen to Him alone.
The Church of Christ (not the mormons) says you must be baptized & understand why. All denominational churches are incorrect, period. You must hear the gospel, believe the gospel, repent, confess, be baptized & live loyally to GOD until death, period.
When JESUS said you must be born of water and the spirit,the spirit of course is
The HOLY SPIRIT,And the water is the LIVING WATER JESUS HIMSELF.
John 4:10
“Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.”
Baptism is an act we are not saved by acts we are saved by grace.
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
Immersion baptism is an outward sign to other believers ,it is a show of unity.!
You can only be baptised once for the forgiveness of sins.
Why is the definition and purpose of Baptism misunderstood among the various denominations ? There is something seriously wrong in the minds of so called Christians who cannot unanimously agree on Baptism.
Baptism is by water and the Holy Spirit.
Not the same thing though.
Oh no
I was baptized as an infant in the Catholic church. Since baptism is a result of our knowledge of sin and acknowledgment of sin and conscious choice to turn from it- all of which an infant is incapable of- then it is null and void. It will definitely mean something as an adult, provided your heart recognizes and agrees with and submits to those "requirements" (for lack of a better word).
No it's not an issue of salvation, so why the need.
Because Jesus did it should be enough reason for us to also do it.
Not at all.
Do you need to be baptized in water in the first place? Paul said he never came to baptize but to preach the gospel! 1 Cor 1:17, the one baptism is the baptism by the Spirit of God upon truly believing in Christ unto salvation,
How did the early church get this wrong ???
Why then did Paul baptize so many new believers? Why did he list all the people that he water baptized that were in the Corinthian church in the 3 verses prior to the one you quoted? We need to follow the scriptural model and water baptize new converts. And, in addition, the verse you quote (1:17) is within a larger context of discussing factions and divisions in the church. His comment was specifically a reference to the fact that he was glad he had witnesses that he never baptized in his own name. He wants the Corinthians to understand that they are “of Christ” and not “of Paul.” He didn’t mean his comment to be used to not water baptize people, when we have evidence throughout the book of Acts that he water baptized new believers regularly.
Unless there is an explicit reason to believe a reference to baptism is other than literal, then water baptism is always the case. That is what the word means, to apply water to someone.
Aren't there 2 different words used for "baptism"? One meaning something like a washing off and the other like and immersion that brings about a change? Like new sponge, it can be run under the faucet and it merely sheds the water, but immersing the sponge changes it as it is filled by the water
@@dominicahodge9816 yes
We are baptized into Christ, not a denomination.
The word Trinity is not orthodox. It’s a made up word. One may totally believe in the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit without adapting the word Trinity in all of its revisions.
No rebaptisms in scripture
That’s primarily because they didn’t baptize infants, like Dr. Bird and the Lutherans do.
Unless it wasn't Biblical to begin with...
@@andrevisser7542 don't matter... show me a rebaptism in scripture
@@andrevisser7542 what would you consider "unbiblical" ??
@@bigtobacco1098, anything that doesn't follow the teaching of the Bible, believe and get baptized (submerged) in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is not true baptism.
Dipping in water is not baptism.
No one says that mere "dipping in water" is baptism. Whatever one's theology, I think we all agree that baptism is much more than that, even those who think baptism is symbolic and and not salvific.
@@chadbird1517 in ancient Greek the word baptidzo has nothing to do with water at all.
@@aletheia8054 Ancient Greek has no more bearing on the meaning of NT Greek words than Geoffrey Chaucer's use of 14th c. English words does on our use of English today. It may be interesting linguistically, but how Chaucer used a word does not determine the meaning of that word today. So, how Homer, for instance, used a Greek word has little to no bearing on how Paul used a word.
Words derive their meanings from the historical and linguistic contexts in which they are used.
Closer to the NT is the use of the verb in the Septuagint, where, for instance, when Naaman "went down and dipped in the Jordan seven times," the Greek word for "dipped" is βαπτίζω (2 Kings 5:14). Clearly, water is central to this act.
When we first encounter the verb in the NT, it is in the Gospels, with John's actions at the Jordan. He is βαπτίζω, that is, baptizing in water. That is the literal meaning of the word. Is it sometimes used metaphorically? Sure, such as the baptism of the Spirit or when Jesus speaks of his death as a baptism. But unless there is clear evidence that the word is being used metaphorically, it is logical to assume that the concrete meaning obtains, namely, that baptism is done with water.
@@chadbird1517 yes ancient Greek does have bearing on the meaning of the word because that’s the language they spoke. Every usage of the Greek word for baptism in ancient Greek referred to the effect not the mode. Every single time.
If you’re into books, there’s a book called Baptidzo by James Bass. It’s a 500 year word study on nothing but the Greek word Baptidzo
Don't need to be water baptized in the first place, let alone re-baptized.
Not needing water to be baptized is like saying you don't need food to eat or water to drink or clothes to be clothed. The literal meaning of the Greek verb for baptize, βαπτίζω, is to dip in water, dip under water, use water to wash, etc.
Is the verb sometimes used metaphorically? Sure, such as the baptism of the Spirit or when Jesus speaks of his death as a baptism. But unless there is clear evidence that the word is being used metaphorically, it is logical to assume that the concrete meaning obtains, namely, that baptism is done with water.
@chadbird1517 no one is arguing the meaning of baptism. Water baptism is not necessary and accomplishes nothing spiritually or physically.
@@clockchaser, let me guess u are not baptized.
@andrevisser7542 I was at young age but upon further understanding and revelation from the Holy Spirit I have come to the realization that it is not necessary.
Now let's discuss the definition of baptize referenced in the above post... baptize means "to dip in water, so under water, use water to wash". If we insert that meaning into Luke 3:16 which states "John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Now let's insert the definition and see if it makes any sense...16John answered, saying to all, “I indeed (dip in water, dip under water, use water to wash)you with water...", why use water twice, makes absolutely no sense. It's because water is not implied. There are actually three definitions...
1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
3. to overwhelm
This is why John said I baptize with water but Christ will baptize with the Holy Spirit. Both are immersion but one is immersed with water and the other is immersed by the Holy Spirit in Christ's blood. Paul even said in Ephesians that there is only one baptism. So if someone wants to choose the water baptism, feel free but it does absolutely nothing.