DEBT IS NEVER TAXED

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  • Debt is never taxed. You’ve heard people say this before, but there are a couple of things you should know. First, you need to be careful using debt.
    You can become over-leveraged and lose your assets. Second, paying interest is not the same as paying taxes.
    Last, there is a tax when you sell, but most investors exchange their gains into another property and kick the tax can down the road.
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  • @e4tm333
    @e4tm333 ปีที่แล้ว +1393

    Interest rate rises, and bad tenants entered the chat.

    • @OldsmobileCutlass1969Va
      @OldsmobileCutlass1969Va ปีที่แล้ว +66

      Tenants that become squatters!

    • @connor3288
      @connor3288 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Furio has entered the chat

    • @e4tm333
      @e4tm333 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@connor3288 😂

    • @DailyPragmatism
      @DailyPragmatism ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Lol right?! Interest rates bro. That’s what you’re looking for. Interest rates.

    • @paulc3749
      @paulc3749 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      And capital gains tax

  • @TheGuider
    @TheGuider ปีที่แล้ว +239

    Thanks for confusing me even further now.

    • @fitnessymas9605
      @fitnessymas9605 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I’m the same 😂😂

    • @karthikdevanahalli
      @karthikdevanahalli ปีที่แล้ว +8

      All that I saw was him moving cash from one pile to another. Dude’s thinking that he is simplifying things, but in reality he is just making it worse.

    • @tw2800
      @tw2800 ปีที่แล้ว

      The guy makes good sense if you listen to him.

    • @jmack91
      @jmack91 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seems pretty simple honestly. Using the banks money and the appreciation of the home to gain income passive income.

    • @TheGuider
      @TheGuider ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jmack91 Yeah, we all get the idea behind it, but just like his "very simple visual breakdown", you elaborated nothing.

  • @janetyao
    @janetyao ปีที่แล้ว +1164

    In theory it works, until the moment, your tenants screwing you up by not paying the rent and you can’t evict them as the government protects them. 😂

    • @rickybobby7276
      @rickybobby7276 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Tenants always pay in a business plan on paper. What are you talking about.

    • @chriswatts6629
      @chriswatts6629 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      don't forget to add the 11thuosand in damaged property when u can finaly evict them

    • @TheMotorloco
      @TheMotorloco ปีที่แล้ว +18

      That’s what Muscle is for lol

    • @LearnFrom_YouTube
      @LearnFrom_YouTube ปีที่แล้ว +27

      How about the taxes on the rent collected from the tenant.
      1000 - 400 + 300 + 300 ( for bank fees, property expenses and taxes on rent). Nothing left in the end and the city will come for property taxes after that.

    • @chriswatts6629
      @chriswatts6629 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      The debter is a slave of the lender

  • @bonniebonnie9388
    @bonniebonnie9388 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    This feels like a 2008 financial move, terrible idea in these times too lol

    • @TelestoryTales
      @TelestoryTales 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stop trying to confuse others with your stupid opinions when people are actually trying to learn something useful unlike you.

  • @miracleman75
    @miracleman75 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    Me personally I like to pay down the loans. That frees up money to buy more property instead of going into more debt on one property.
    More properties and diversified properties are safer than huge debt on one property.
    Once I got to the point that the rent from one property covered the mortgage on two properties I slept better at night.
    Now I’ve got four properties and any one of them can cover the mortgage for all the properties.

    • @InsuranceSpecialist
      @InsuranceSpecialist ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No, the 30k pulled - 20k of it is used as down pay on another property

    • @miracleman75
      @miracleman75 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@InsuranceSpecialist good point. I wouldn’t want to pay for the extra refi cost to pull the money or depend on that if rates are going up. I usually keep an equity line available for the down payment. Since I do commercial properties that’s allowed. That way I can pay down the equity line, free up the money and be ready for the next property quickly. I’ve had a cycle of doing this for about 10 years. I target $500,000 properties and use $100,000 equity.
      I find it takes 1-2 years to pay the equity line off and about the same amount of time to find my next property.

    • @steelisthemeal
      @steelisthemeal ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can’t beat that

    • @Wildwestwrangler
      @Wildwestwrangler ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@miracleman75not only that, but in the video he fails to mention that if you refinance the whole value of the property again the you're going to pay pmi

    • @miracleman75
      @miracleman75 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Wildwestwrangler he still refinanced around 80%. He borrowed $110,000 on the building that’s worth $140,000 now. The reality is that this strategy only works when rates stay down and prices go up.
      Right now your property might lose value and you are refinancing to a higher rate.
      I refinanced all my properties before rates started going up (5 year mortgages on commercial) so for the next five years I’m focused on paying down the loans. If rates are high it’s not bad because I’ll have less to finance. If rates come back down I can refi and get my money back out.

  • @justind6983
    @justind6983 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    All I heard was,”instead of paying taxes once, you can pay interest for the rest of your life”

    • @mommom3172
      @mommom3172 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Interest is a business expense that can be written off to reduce the rental income. These types of strategies are for people who have large tax liabilities. If you're still getting tax refunds, this isn't for you.

    • @imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266
      @imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@mommom3172 finally someone in these comments who knows what theyre talking about

    • @LuckyCharms777
      @LuckyCharms777 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mommom3172
      Except people with large tax liabilities already know this, he’s breaking it down for unsophisticated investors who are liable to get themselves underwater doing it.

    • @The_Metal_Urge
      @The_Metal_Urge 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thats the beauty of it your tenants money covers all expenses while you pull out the appreciated value across time you use none of your own money to do any of this it's brilliant.

  • @jontanneguy4960
    @jontanneguy4960 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    And expecting everything to keep going up is the real problem.

    • @krxtalent8853
      @krxtalent8853 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Agreed - 4 months without renting out your property, and the asset price going down would be such hhhhrrraaaa sweet deal - not

    • @miken5413
      @miken5413 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lol, would be nice if everything went exactly as you planned! Bad tenant, market downturn, unforeseen expenses…..this is a SIMPLE breakdown

    • @romoore2094
      @romoore2094 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      and no mention of property magmt or if you lose a tenant.

    • @YibuYibu
      @YibuYibu ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@miken5413 It's called risk. You assume the risk for potential profit. This is why we don't all live in government subsidized housing and why the debt is tax free. Government incentivises the risk takers for this and other types if business so the economy will run. The difference between super rich people and average people is the level of risk they are willing to assume. Even average people with above average incomes did this when they took on college loans to get degrees. They assumed risk to gain in a place that is pretty volatile. Why do you think we have such issues with bad debt in this nation? If you are unwilling to risk anything for financial advancement, you basically give up liberty for a "stable" and often low quality existence.

    • @arunachalashiva108
      @arunachalashiva108 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Prices have to go up and the value of the dollar has to go down, they will keep printing money and pushing prices up. That is how they manage the system. You can't have a lot of money as well as cheap assets. If the prices don't go up, then the whole economy will come to a standstill and nobody would be motivated to do anything in life to grow financially.

  • @jimda4910
    @jimda4910 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Did anybody else notice that if you get out of calculator and quote this video the numbers don't add up, well I noticed.

  • @davidwoody5228
    @davidwoody5228 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Ignores depreciation and then recapture at the sale of property. Also ignores closing costs, etc

    • @michaeldominguez9553
      @michaeldominguez9553 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what I was thinking, not to mention the fluctuations of market and how that affects the property value.
      Spot on buddy

    • @saltissalty3498
      @saltissalty3498 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, by putting this and MANY of these financial advices video out here, they can convince a whole lot of people to buy in the similar things, ended up inflating the price since the demand is so high.
      ...hmm, why do I vaguely feel some sorts of pyramid scheme here though

  • @vikraal6974
    @vikraal6974 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I loved this Poor Dad Poor Dad lesson

  • @lastinspector
    @lastinspector ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Clear as mud. He's a genius.

  • @KoinzNKrystalz
    @KoinzNKrystalz ปีที่แล้ว

    Straight to the point. Simple and clearly spoken. No sales push. Love it! Well done!

  • @randycline1385
    @randycline1385 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    You pay tax on the rental income, you pay property taxes, and you pay interest on the loan which may as well be a tax.

    • @mattmansfishing5899
      @mattmansfishing5899 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yea this kinda makes me think of eating a snickers bar while on a diet. What about the cost of refinancing.whats the 30 thousand for?

    • @MrLuckyMuffin
      @MrLuckyMuffin ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All that is less than 10% compared to 25% tax

    • @thesecretdiaryentries.8729
      @thesecretdiaryentries.8729 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@mattmansfishing5899 30k you get back tax free and you get the 100 each time income. Then you refinance to make up for the 30k you've pulled out. And them your 100 income doubles. You just keep levelling up in this situation.

    • @abeodez751
      @abeodez751 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah some neighborhood in San Diego charge around 10k a year in property tax that "never" ending

    • @Agbahizzal
      @Agbahizzal ปีที่แล้ว

      Is all that equal to the taxes of 100k?

  • @brianbailey462
    @brianbailey462 ปีที่แล้ว +659

    im far more confused after watching that than i was before hand

    • @kamalakrsna
      @kamalakrsna ปีที่แล้ว +5

      hahahaaa

    • @willkeyes8859
      @willkeyes8859 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Me too bruh! So I borrowed $80k in the beginning and then another $110k. What the hell for?

    • @chrisc9611
      @chrisc9611 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe thats the purpose

    • @khalidhashim4432
      @khalidhashim4432 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kikiki me too

    • @iopakayalo3459
      @iopakayalo3459 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Kept on repeat! Still confused hahaha!

  • @pinnacleroofing9841
    @pinnacleroofing9841 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    And then when the bottom drops out, as it's designed to do, you are left with a mountain of debt and no way yo pay it. Too much stress for my life

  • @akwa2273
    @akwa2273 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Step 1. Find the extremely hot property that will always have tenant, will always go up in value, and will always only need 300 usd for maintenance and try to buy it with only 20k capital invested.

    • @bensadream
      @bensadream ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. I agree.

    • @LuckyCharms777
      @LuckyCharms777 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Step 2: Go bankrupt when the tenant refuses to pay the rent and becomes a squatter, and you can’t pay the mortgage because you over leveraged yourself.

  • @kentlane8269
    @kentlane8269 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    You better have cash flow cause if tenant doesn’t pay you owe that money still

    • @mr.terwilliger5728
      @mr.terwilliger5728 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The government won’t make them pay, and will let them squat. AIR BNB only/short term rentals only

    • @michaelfoster4479
      @michaelfoster4479 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@mr.terwilliger5728 Depends where you're at. Different tenant/landlord rights & laws in different places.

    • @mr.terwilliger5728
      @mr.terwilliger5728 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@michaelfoster4479 ummmm, did you not see the federal government enforce an eviction moratorium for an entire year?

    • @rickjones2912
      @rickjones2912 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tenants have wised up to asset holders games. Who needs who more is the name of the game and with nothing to lose I say the cards are stacked in the poorer man’s favour at the moment.

    • @mr.terwilliger5728
      @mr.terwilliger5728 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rickjones2912 uhhhh no…. Localities are raising taxes, Biden is raising taxes and keeping gas and diesel at $5-$8/gallon skyrocketing every single commodity, and cities around the country and raising property taxes. Property owners and renters are forced to raise rents just to cover costs of ownership let alone making a capitol gain.
      The poor man has never been on top of the game. In fact, it’s the other way around. After all of this chaos, simply keeping a stable place to live is the average persons highest priority so they will pay whatever it takes to stay off the streets

  • @blastinkutcher
    @blastinkutcher ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dope skater, Mikey Taylor, Speaking on Finance game. Love it. Takin over.

  • @yinshah3303
    @yinshah3303 ปีที่แล้ว +229

    Great recipe for a house of cards.

    • @kieren7763
      @kieren7763 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Only works with multiple properties and time to pay down the loans like 10 years plus from buying first investment property

    • @paulwisdom5383
      @paulwisdom5383 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It is if you're foolish with it. Dave Ramsey speaks of his experience in that situation. But then you have people like Graham Stephan who show how it works beautifully if executed properly.
      The biggest issue imo is behaviour. That has alot to do with determining success in this setup. Assume you had 2 people who had similar deals, but differing behaviours. You can see how it makes a big impact.

    • @someonewhocares5033
      @someonewhocares5033 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@paulwisdom5383 graham stephen makes his money off of his youtube channel, not his real estate business. Just like Ramsey makes his money off of his business, not by following his baby steps

    • @Ace-Ace1
      @Ace-Ace1 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was about to say, Graham Stephan makes his money off of his TH-cam channel. The OPM strategy is high risk, high reward but that doesn't mean it works for everyone. It worked for Graham because of that source of income he is receiving. Remember these banks can recall their loans when ever they want to and that ended up burning Dave Ramsey when he was leveraging in the 80s. His kind of leveraging was needed at the time due to interest rates being so high

  • @vickiecannon4329
    @vickiecannon4329 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I did this. I will never do it again. Cash is king. I'll pay the dang taxes.

    • @michaela.754
      @michaela.754 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Forget that. Never pay taxes. Use the loopholes at your disposal

    • @jakerubin2250
      @jakerubin2250 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@michaela.754 it’s not such a loophole you’re just taking out a loan to get cash and reducing your passive income. Youre not getting any richer unless you invest that money and have a guaranteed higher return than whatever the bank is charging you which today’s rates will put you at around 6%

    • @imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266
      @imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jakerubin2250 but you want to perpetually grow your debt as you grow your revenue so you never pay taxes. You will die with the debt no different than the government.

  • @MichaelSmithAU
    @MichaelSmithAU ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Until you sell it then you pay tax on the lot, but you spent the $30k you financed out and now you're screwed.

  • @prever8276
    @prever8276 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “Over time” is the key word here. Cheers

  • @BabakHamedani
    @BabakHamedani ปีที่แล้ว +11

    You are correct and that is why all the homeowners or anyone who has any asset always borrows more once in awhile and this is how more money comes into the system and bubbles are created and eventually are burst.
    This is completely by design and mathematically correct.
    The way this monitoring system is designed since it's not really controlled in a fixed manner it is guaranteed that all our assets appreciate because the value of the unit of exchange or money always depreciate. They called it inflation but in my opinion this should be called deflation of the monetary asset.
    So once in awhile they raise my pay for two or three percent meanwhile the value of my work annually has decreased in monetary sense hence I get poorer every year.
    Who have homes or houses think when the value of their house I appreciate in their houses now more expensive they are richer, without taking dispatching that their house is not larger and in fact is more depreciated in terms of material the only reason it's value in relation to money has risen is that money is less valuable.
    Keep this in mind unless you have three or more houses you will always get poorer when houses appreciate in value or money depreciates in value.

    • @kw271
      @kw271 ปีที่แล้ว

      i am sorry i have to "like" your comment because there is no "love" option available.
      i am also going to add that some people i know use gold as an index to finetune the amount of money they need to sink into real estate, as gold have become a tool to hedge but it does not grow the money asset merely to keep the spending power (one hopes), once in a while when the interest rate hints a certain level and the housing market feels soft enough gold bricks become real bricks and mortar.
      but again, alot of factors would also play a part: developmental robustness of a city, gentrification, desirability, convenieces etc etc, calibre of tenants, employment index etc... all matters. it's deceptively simple. and the emphasis is deceptive

    • @tictac3147
      @tictac3147 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe I’m stupid, but if property appreciates in value because money depreciates wouldn’t that even it out? You get paid more money, but the money isn’t worth as much, so you’re not gaining or losing anything?

  • @bhyll2489
    @bhyll2489 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this dude be skating through life.

    • @kerrymccall3303
      @kerrymccall3303 ปีที่แล้ว

      By working hard and being smart with his money

  • @HansDampf1911
    @HansDampf1911 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Where I live I pay taxes on those 1000bucks of income like it's normal job payment.

    • @krxtalent8853
      @krxtalent8853 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most places are the same!

    • @Robert-vb5jd
      @Robert-vb5jd ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not really like a normal job but rent is taxed everywhere, at least 10% . He is talking about a 300$ in expenses. That probably includes the house tax and rent income tax.

  • @richardlloydusa
    @richardlloydusa ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So what he actually did here is borrow an extra $30,000 from the bank and reset the mortgage table to day one! Meaning you reset your mortgage table to the highest interest to principal ratio and (currently) paid a higher interest rate for the second higher mortgage loan than you probably did for the first mortgage loan(interest rates are rising). This is may be "tax free" cash but it in no way is "free" cash! it's $30,000 loan and it will be paid back over the loan term with interest. Now if you instead used the "asset " as collateral for a loan on a new cash flowing "asset" that would have been a much more financially wise move.

  • @dimitryunrain5695
    @dimitryunrain5695 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    "Simple" - this was probably the most complicated explanation I've ever heard!

    • @spoiledmilkers
      @spoiledmilkers ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The first loan wasn’t tax free, this video just says “you’re refinancing to have more liquid cash but also more debt”

    • @angelfernandez8068
      @angelfernandez8068 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What nobody is saying is that the loan or principle will needs to be paid down with earned income that has already been taxed. So, no. The loan is not tax free. At best you may defer the capital gains but then again, this all work under the scenario that home values continue to go up.

    • @normanflint8757
      @normanflint8757 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Most people are too young to have lived thru rising high inflation,,many made money in the beginning,,only to see the prices drop as rates rose in76-82**bargains came after,,many people got burned on bank recalls..how nimble are you,Trader..

  • @gerrengriffin7966
    @gerrengriffin7966 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    debt is not taxed but you going pay interest!

  • @dog_city
    @dog_city ปีที่แล้ว +42

    You still owe the 30k from the refinance. Yes you can make it back but your adding risk and in a recession (like we are in now) it is alot more risky

    • @michaelfoster4479
      @michaelfoster4479 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. But you can also loan assets from people and still give them some interest. Just lower. They wouldn't get that much money if I had to borrow it from the bank. The bank would make more though.

    • @unkownuser5809
      @unkownuser5809 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't forget the initial 80k loan, it would take 16 years to pay it off at $400 per month and would end up with about 40k in interest paid

    • @jwill9877
      @jwill9877 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's why you only pull this money out to buy another asset that makes sense and you do it without any money out of your pocket. This is assuming you have a cash fund already in place in case a recession hits.

  • @cult_of_odin
    @cult_of_odin ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Debt is antithetical to a free society. For 90% of our nation's history we were a wealth based economy with a Constitutionally sound currency

  • @motivationmoneywellness
    @motivationmoneywellness ปีที่แล้ว +101

    🤣 i have a decent IQ and i was feeling bad i didn't understand what the fcuk he said but i feel much better now that others are confused too

  • @KlinikXOfficial
    @KlinikXOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love how they forget you have to pay interest on the loan. They make it seem you get 100k you payback only 100k forgetting there's 20k+ extra you need to payback

    • @thekidcalledBLACK
      @thekidcalledBLACK ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s why I’m so confused. You originally borrow 80k but you’ll end up owing much more than that especially if you’re paying so little back each month. Then decide to add another 30k to your debt. Only way it makes sense is if you can guarantee you can use that 30k to turn a huge profit but by that point you alrdy had 20k might as well save up another 10k plus most likely they’ll be using that 30k to buy another property which will require taking out another loan. I understand the benefit of not having to pay tax on that 30k but it doesn’t seem worth it to me to ask for that extra 30k, at least based on this example. Unless the play is to continue to borrow money from the bank with no Intention of ever paying them off fully 😂

  • @mtnmann72
    @mtnmann72 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Let’s not forget interest rates paid back on borrowed money.

    • @davidwooderson5926
      @davidwooderson5926 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Seriously what’s the difference if you’re paying the bank or the government

    • @imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266
      @imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidwooderson5926 Interest is a business expense and is a tax write off

    • @truthupurs5740
      @truthupurs5740 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It just depends on your income. In most states, the interest that you pay on a home is a tax deduction, which could lower you down to another tax bracket, in turn, increasing your tax returns.

  • @dr_pinna543
    @dr_pinna543 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Dave Ramsey thanks you for his future listeners

  • @brucedraper1919
    @brucedraper1919 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    it's taxed later. you are just deferring it. explain that so people understand that also..

    • @scotimotti
      @scotimotti ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly...you die and now someone else has to deal with all your debts and taxes.
      Nothing...nothing is tax free. Ever

    • @General8675
      @General8675 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Damn straight. Uncle sam always gets his cut. And housing doesn't always go up.

    • @minoraoz
      @minoraoz ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But before you pay any tax, it is growing and compounding tax free.

    • @michaelfoster4479
      @michaelfoster4479 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep, but you can also buy in opportunity zones. Not deferring it, but exemption. Only caveat is you gotta hold it for 10+ years.

    • @brucedraper1919
      @brucedraper1919 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      All I'm saying is tell all.

  • @sebastianarellano4471
    @sebastianarellano4471 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I didn't understand a word. I just kept looking at the money 💵

  • @jordandwyer8196
    @jordandwyer8196 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    What a weird time line we're in.
    I'm watching Pro skater Mikey Taylor talking about investing

    • @HenryBenedictUSA
      @HenryBenedictUSA ปีที่แล้ว

      Is this really him or a doppelgänger? lol

    • @banglevision8207
      @banglevision8207 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was fucking like wtf I know this guy

    • @janoskiss5335
      @janoskiss5335 ปีที่แล้ว

      I came to check the comments, to verify it 😂

  • @tpolutts3309
    @tpolutts3309 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    "Daddy, how did every bubble burst in history happen?"
    "Mary, just watch this video and pet me drink away my tears."

    • @Bobatheman
      @Bobatheman ปีที่แล้ว

      So true

    • @kevinmcfarland4322
      @kevinmcfarland4322 ปีที่แล้ว

      Greedy ass impulse purchase Americans will never learn. They will just rinse and repeat

    • @LuckyCharms777
      @LuckyCharms777 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      *let me
      (hopefully Mary isn’t petting her daddy😳) 😂

  • @bondedwithlove
    @bondedwithlove ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I love how they always glance over the fact that there is still a real cost to debt. Your paying someone, bank government, investor. It's not necessarily better than earned income. Just a different way to make money. And not everyone has the skills to manage an asset obtained with that debt.

    • @michaelfoster4479
      @michaelfoster4479 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Of course there is a cost to debt. But debt is what makes it possible for people who don't have money, and choose to learn how to use money to make money. This is the same concept of how a lot of businesses get started up.

  • @w_6880
    @w_6880 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The issue comes when property taxes increase based on home value, the bank calls the debt or the tenants don’t pay.

  • @sureshgvs3953
    @sureshgvs3953 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I still endup with a debt over my head. That 30000 is not my income it's my debt.

    • @JohnSmith-tz4on
      @JohnSmith-tz4on ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but what's the interest rate on that debt 5% versus the 25% or more that the government wants

    • @bizzzzzzle
      @bizzzzzzle ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You realize that 25% is one time, not an APR

    • @bizzzzzzle
      @bizzzzzzle ปีที่แล้ว

      You realize that 25% is one time, not an APR

    • @sureshgvs3953
      @sureshgvs3953 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Your interest rates are 5%. That's really a great interest you're getting, in our country it's around 10 to 14 percent.

    • @sureshgvs3953
      @sureshgvs3953 ปีที่แล้ว

      If this formula worked out perfectly then there shouldn't be any recession in 2008. The primary cause of that recession is us mortgages collapsed.

  • @kite7838
    @kite7838 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, awesome seeing one of the best pro skaters sharing some extremely useful knowledge

  • @jackstar254
    @jackstar254 ปีที่แล้ว +730

    How to go bankrupt in 2 years! Lol

    • @pokerbuddy62
      @pokerbuddy62 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I mean what he’s saying works, just only for the ultra wealthy, like high 8 figures and up net worth

    • @goodies7883
      @goodies7883 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@pokerbuddy62 So, basically get rich first. The Loop. 😵‍💫

    • @joshjackson678
      @joshjackson678 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      What color is your Bugatti

    • @omarfarique6304
      @omarfarique6304 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      ​@@pokerbuddy62 Lol that's totally not true. There are so many people doing this on small scale.

    • @EO.studios
      @EO.studios ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Working for me I now have 3 rental homes I started with 15k going on 5 years ago

  • @user-ex2yt1pl6u
    @user-ex2yt1pl6u ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have built my net worth up to where it is without debt, and I am not about to start borrowing now. You can do all the financial gymnastics you want, but at the end of the day, you cannot substitute the peace of mind that comes with not owing anyone.

  • @HG-Pilot
    @HG-Pilot ปีที่แล้ว +44

    This guy is so smart that he fails to understand that we are where we are because of "smart" guys like him...

    • @muhammadarbazkhan9085
      @muhammadarbazkhan9085 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fortunate...

    • @kp3509
      @kp3509 ปีที่แล้ว

      We are were we are because the govt sucks. All govt sucks, but lately they are weak

  • @adnan_velic
    @adnan_velic ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks bro I’m going to wait for these prices to drop like everyone else who is stockpiling cash 😂😂😂

  • @ericyarberry7953
    @ericyarberry7953 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    And they'll call your notes faster than you can say my name's Dave Ramsey

    • @melissachartres3219
      @melissachartres3219 ปีที่แล้ว

      What does that mean? They'll call your notes?

    • @samlee1546
      @samlee1546 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@melissachartres3219 pay up now

    • @MikePakaRoostahvelli
      @MikePakaRoostahvelli ปีที่แล้ว

      Just for fun, call up to the Ramsey Show and ask good ol' Dave what he thinks of this strategy. 😂

  • @1986verity
    @1986verity ปีที่แล้ว +32

    This is how you start a real-estate bubble

    • @AK-47ISTHEWAY
      @AK-47ISTHEWAY 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And bubbles inevitably burst.

  • @arunachalashiva108
    @arunachalashiva108 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Doesn't work when the property appreciates so much that rent doesn't even cover half of the monthly debt payment. All the best to find a 100k house and rent it for 1k dollars.

  • @timothyriehm5967
    @timothyriehm5967 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yep, this algorithm isn't just giving me suggested videos based on the conversations I have. It's giving me suggestions for videos that were just thoughts. I'll be damned if I wasn't thinking about the debt structure on a deal yesterday and today. This is in my feed.

    • @venividivici6418
      @venividivici6418 ปีที่แล้ว

      They've modeled your mind based on the inputs you've provided.

  • @adamhotak2573
    @adamhotak2573 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Refinancing is out of the window now what next?😂

    • @miracleman75
      @miracleman75 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Save cash for the next cycle or get into stocks that pay dividends.

    • @alvinsheczlek5243
      @alvinsheczlek5243 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That was the most confusing “visual”. It was pretty much memorizing numbers in my head while you played with cash

    • @Chris_da_ruler
      @Chris_da_ruler ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do you say that I work in mortgages do you need a second look

    • @GBXS
      @GBXS ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Chris_da_rulerwhat's the rate for a 30 year fixed mortgage now?

    • @michaelfoster4479
      @michaelfoster4479 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@GBXS 7%

  • @DiversityCristian
    @DiversityCristian ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks bro!

  • @himelu
    @himelu ปีที่แล้ว +16

    It's better to pay off the property and stop paying interest to the bank.

    • @rubberduckie5518
      @rubberduckie5518 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right? Like either pay in full or just put down SOME cash then get ANOTHER mortgage for DIFFERENT property (for income) while keeping some cash flow reserves. F'ing refinance to avoid taxes... 😂😂😂

  • @daviddejesus2176
    @daviddejesus2176 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is the last thing I’d expect to see from Mikey Taylor… wild

    • @jackstraw5527
      @jackstraw5527 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right I had to do a double take!

  • @davidwaddell7789
    @davidwaddell7789 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    I love how he just pulls a random # out of his ass "it's going to be worth $140k"

    • @erikakerback1382
      @erikakerback1382 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It is an example of how the system works 🙄

    • @OldsmobileCutlass1969Va
      @OldsmobileCutlass1969Va ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Worth $140k one year... Refi. Then a few years later it's worth $90k...
      The only true prediction of how a market will be in the future: It might go up... Or it might go down!

    • @brandonlawrence7711
      @brandonlawrence7711 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Look at the housing market from 2019-2022

    • @MrRyanag
      @MrRyanag ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This dude is a professional skate boarder lol 😆

    • @youdontknowwhoiam2449
      @youdontknowwhoiam2449 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@OldsmobileCutlass1969Va maybe in the short term but in an economy like America’s and for homes that are held 10-20 years, its safe to assume its going to go up

  • @radupetrascu
    @radupetrascu ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Debt also brings risk. Understanding the risks makes you Warren Buffett. Like all things in life, debt has its good sides and bad ones.

  • @everythingtechnew7400
    @everythingtechnew7400 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In the UK the 300 is taxable income as is the 30k if not reinvested elsewhere otherwise that’s also treated as income.

    • @KevinDWeaver
      @KevinDWeaver ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same in the us. The 30 grand is taxable. am I wrong? Or is that considered a loan?

  • @tay3025
    @tay3025 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So you put in 20k to borrow 80k (total 100k)
    You refinance now to borrow 110k (total 110k)
    The only money you gained was the cash flow which you now lowered from 300 to 200 a month.
    All you did was borrow an additional 30k and then take it out which you now have to payback anyways. (Your original 20k invested with an additional 10k)

  • @Liberty_or_Death.
    @Liberty_or_Death. ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Yea in a perfect world this might work but we definitely dont live in a perfect world. Bad tenants, not being able to evict, they tear up the place. Court fees and remodeling etc. My parents went through this renting out a home and had to track the people down because they moved out of state trying to disappear. My parents never rented anyone else after the ordeal and lost valuable time and money from all of it, not to mention the headache.

  • @tokyothecat4062
    @tokyothecat4062 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To dumb it down
    He waits for the home to appreciate, then he refinances with a higher loan amount and keeps the difference as his amount owed (the amount he bought it for) stayed the same.
    This inturn makes your monthly income potentially go down as you begin to start paying a lot of intrest as you start paying most of your intrest in the beginning on the loan but you can keep the diffrence which in this case is 30k (as loan = debt the 30k extra in his loan will not be taxed)
    All in all his expenses don't change much and he gets a load of cash.

  • @_30K_
    @_30K_ ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Rogue tenants have entered the chat

  • @shelleydavis5231
    @shelleydavis5231 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When he says debt is free, he means that the tenant is paying your debt, because that debt that you made still comes with an interest rate it's just that the tenant pays it to an asset, which some calls a liability, which increases in equity with time

  • @Atypical-archetype
    @Atypical-archetype ปีที่แล้ว +193

    It’s called…
    The debt slave trap

    • @khaledamer2693
      @khaledamer2693 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      exactly , i think the usa have made debt untaxable only for this example. on paper ur winning but reality as u said it

    • @minesadab
      @minesadab ปีที่แล้ว +8

      No, because you have a 140k asset that you can sell at any time to pay off the 110k loan

    • @lnguage8010
      @lnguage8010 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@minesadab not if you haven’t paid off the mortgage yet, then you just get back what you put in minus the interest on the mortgage, minus all the fees you paid in utilities, property insurance, property tax, broker fees, real estate agent commissions, etc. , and then you pay craaazy capital gains tax on whatever profit you made on the appreciation of your property, which quickly erodes the profits you just made. Better to own the asset for longer periods for this reason as it appreciates more (hopefully, but not necessarily depending on the location, market etc.), but there are always capital intensive hidden costs

    • @minesadab
      @minesadab ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@lnguage8010 point is that you're not a victim - you're not trapped. It's the tenant that's the victim, trapped paying off your mortgage with no money left to get started for themselves.
      Yes the way to play the system for your own benefit is to never sell, just keep remortgaging as the house prices go up and spend the difference tax free

    • @bigboldbicycle
      @bigboldbicycle ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If this was your main home then yes it's a debt slave trap, but if it's an asset earning you enough to cover the interest AND still leave you with positive cashflow then it's not a trap.

  • @_DavidC
    @_DavidC ปีที่แล้ว

    Respect Mikey!! Been a big fan since I was a kid man nice to see something like this

  • @johnconnor7501
    @johnconnor7501 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    When he said “borrow more” every red flag in my head 😬

  • @sageoldmann5157
    @sageoldmann5157 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    All from Money 💰 that just magically appeared out of nowhere 👍🏻

  • @tj9382
    @tj9382 ปีที่แล้ว

    It all comes down the ROCE. Here in the uk any such income is subject to tax up to a point. Property prices have stalled and are currently over valued and interest rates are high.

  • @jamestyler3698
    @jamestyler3698 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For some reason this dude wonders why the bank is willing to off load the risk onto him.

  • @theabundantway
    @theabundantway ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You've recouped your initial $20k down-payment and made $10k tax free dollars from the refi. The $200/month cashflow is taxable but you should have enough depreciation and expense write-offs on that Asset that you won't owe any taxes on that positive cashflow. So You've made $10k lump sum and $2400 each year tax free. $2400 doesn't sound like much but multiplication is the key. The problem is, you need many of these assets to make a significant impact on your household financial needs. The more houses you have the more potential problems you'll have (unless you have an awesome property management company)
    MDD Asset Management, Decatur, GA

    • @investingsimplifyed288
      @investingsimplifyed288 ปีที่แล้ว

      2 questions if its possible for you to answer
      can you please explain to me how in the hell is he getting a tenant to pay $1000 when the tenant can himself get a mortgage and pay 400 to the bank for the same property... ( i do understand the rest of the process)
      and if the above is possible how is it happening... like i read comments where people saying they pay off 2 mortgage from 1 tenant...

  • @stoobydoobydoo
    @stoobydoobydoo ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Aww yes the guaranteed appreciation mortgage. I only get those mortgages when my daddy gives me a small loan of one million dollars as well. We should all learn from this clearly financial connoisseur.

  • @jdt8601
    @jdt8601 ปีที่แล้ว

    Debt is taxed in the UK on landlords, not directly but you have to pay tax on your profits from rent before you pay the mortgage. Unless your a limited company

  • @isrark3
    @isrark3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is how greed works and this is why we are into a housing crisis

  • @JamesSmith-wc5lw
    @JamesSmith-wc5lw ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Exactly avoid taxes but pay monthly interest for borrowing against your equity 🙄

  • @malakyah8691
    @malakyah8691 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Then you get over leveraged and then broke and become the renter while working at McDonald's and seeing your kids on weekends and holidays.

  • @RazDee
    @RazDee ปีที่แล้ว

    Dont one have to pay Interest on debts? So you are saying interest to be paid on debts are lower than taxes charged on the same sum of money? Sorry I am confused just need a little more clarification

  • @malcolmmutambanengwe3453
    @malcolmmutambanengwe3453 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Borrow $80k
    Borrow $130k
    Borrow $350k
    Borrow $700k
    Borrow $950k
    Borrow $2M
    Borrow $10M
    Borrow $50M
    Borrow $400M
    Borrow $1B
    Borrow $15B
    I like this game

  • @phillipf961
    @phillipf961 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This only works if everything goes perfect. It’s really not that simple however he’s right for the most part. Robert kiyosaki lives by this. He always brags about not paying taxes. Also you might want to bring up that fact if you sell the house (which is the assets your referring to) that if it’s over a certain amount you will pay taxes on it. Only works
    If you never sell the house/ property and hold it until you die.
    Also this is crazy watching Mikey Taylor talk about finances.

  • @fernivore
    @fernivore ปีที่แล้ว +12

    He forgot the part where the renter was a dead beat

  • @kalyan1987m
    @kalyan1987m ปีที่แล้ว

    The problem is that the rent is not higher than the EMI. Say if I take 3 Million loan, I would have to pay 30K to bank each month. Property rent would only come 10K per month..

  • @user-gz6tx6yp3v
    @user-gz6tx6yp3v ปีที่แล้ว

    You can't do this in the UK because if you hold property in your own name you are taxed on the gross rent, you cannot deduct mortgage interest as an expense. If you hold in a company you can borrow on the asset, but you will be taxed on anything you take out of the company.

  • @dodgeman4360
    @dodgeman4360 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    that $300 cash flow is taxed.

    • @miracleman75
      @miracleman75 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      After you take a 20% tax discount on passive income, depreciate the property and write off your interest to the bank it’s taxed at a fraction of what you would pay on $300 earned from a job.

    • @dluoultra9633
      @dluoultra9633 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@miracleman75just curious, how can u depreciate a property if you go to a bank and say your property has appreciated and needs a refinance?

    • @miracleman75
      @miracleman75 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dluoultra9633 that’s the wear and tear of the building you are depreciating for tax purposes. You can itemize as you go along like carpet and cabinets etc. over shorter periods of time or use the irs standards for wear and tear on a building which works out to about 3.6% residential and 2.5% commercial of the building. You can’t depreciate the land.

    • @cryptochopko1926
      @cryptochopko1926 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@dluoultra9633 all rentals allow depreciation if u use it or not

    • @stevensheaves
      @stevensheaves ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@dluoultra9633 ok, sonthis is actually a tax law, and an important concept to learn.
      You should actually look it up a bit, but long story short you get (30)? Years to depreciate a house.
      It is said to have 30 years of value to a business.
      So when you buy it, you take the value that is depreciable (value of home - value of land without home) and divide it by 30?
      (I think it's 30)
      And you can deduct that amount every year on your taxes.
      Here's the thing.
      You can very well make a profit, and make it look like you're taking a loss. Pay 0 or negligible taxes, and still profit.
      There are some more real estate hacks too. And real estate is the best vehicle go carry money through inflation too.
      That's why Bill gates bought millions.
      Real estate gains value when inflation does.
      That's why everyone bought real estate at high rates during covid.
      And right now there is lull in housing, great time to buy if you have money.
      Inflation doesn't stop, houses will catch up.
      Of you can't afford real estate investing, check out fundrise.

  • @bigboldbicycle
    @bigboldbicycle ปีที่แล้ว

    Except in the UK for sole trader landlords where the UK government will tax you on the interest you *paid* to the bank.
    They don't describe it that way of course, they just say finance costs are not tax deductable.

  • @marlonacero7988
    @marlonacero7988 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Don't buy real estate in 2023. Massive price drops all over the states due to a surplus in the supply, high interest rates, and inflation.

    • @enthused7591
      @enthused7591 ปีที่แล้ว

      Smart people were saying this since mid-2020. We're going to see 50% drops from the 2021-2022 highs. Back to 2017 levels.

  • @jeffwestbrooke279
    @jeffwestbrooke279 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Debt is not "taxed" in the literal sense but it is taxed in the form of interest. Over 30 years you typically pay triple sticker price, its probably cheaper to pay taxes.

    • @imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266
      @imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interest is a tax write off. You dont know what youre talking about, stop acting like you do and learn.

  • @NibberKSmooth
    @NibberKSmooth ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Do NOT go into debt to make money. Work well, save well, invest well 👍

    • @justanoob5157
      @justanoob5157 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do this if you want to be a slave to your boss and to fear
      DO GO INTO DEBT BUT GO INTO GOOD DEBT LIKE THIS VIDEO :D

  • @someperson8151
    @someperson8151 ปีที่แล้ว

    People tried that with houses in 2009 and present. Won't work if home prices take a dive.

  • @kluafoz
    @kluafoz ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I have no clue wtf he just said...

    • @AskDrRuiz
      @AskDrRuiz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      His numbers don't match up

    • @inertiaforce7846
      @inertiaforce7846 ปีที่แล้ว

      Neither does anyone else.

  • @derekboyt3383
    @derekboyt3383 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DEBT IS TAXED. Every dollar is in fact a debt note and every debt note that you acquire is considered taxable income.

  • @rsb7608
    @rsb7608 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Debt needs to be handled very very carefully. That's why most people following this stupid advise will fail

  • @db2631
    @db2631 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Government steps in says you can't evict tenants during a pandemic and you end up having a damage property and no cash flow for 2 years.

    • @terryburke5106
      @terryburke5106 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's no problem, just borrow more money!

  • @mikek545
    @mikek545 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Then your tenet stops paying and you loose your job.

    • @yurkouki
      @yurkouki ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s why you have emergency fund. Hopefully 1-2 years worth of payment.

    • @osvi457
      @osvi457 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Never go out on the streets you may get hit by a bus ? 🤷‍♂️

    • @howardramkissoon2389
      @howardramkissoon2389 ปีที่แล้ว

      Life is about taking risk to improve or grow financially.

    • @meatball4409
      @meatball4409 ปีที่แล้ว

      Emergency fund and a high demand occupational skill is a good safety net. Some will say "ohHH not everyone has that" ... well, then you shouldn't be a real estate investor if you don't have the foundation. Tell me how you afford to even leave your house? What if a car runs off the road and hits you??

    • @frankelse745
      @frankelse745 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They’re called tenants not tenets. Or call them renters.

  • @swiss9495
    @swiss9495 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Interest is a tax, the assets takes your time, a tax. Go back to finance class

    • @anandr1385
      @anandr1385 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep. He’s just an online con

  • @SimRacingVeteran
    @SimRacingVeteran ปีที่แล้ว

    No. Government in Canada is starting to crack down on house flips and income properties. That money is taxable now.

  • @johncole3010
    @johncole3010 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Reminds me of algebra . It looks good on pa😊Er until you are left in more dept and Tennant that are sponging off your asset because they feel entitled and the law enables their poor choice.

  • @michaelmcadams2692
    @michaelmcadams2692 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ambiguous explanation with arbitrary results!

  • @raulhuber9386
    @raulhuber9386 ปีที่แล้ว

    That does not work in most Europe. Loans are not eligible expenses, the amount you borrowed goes to linear depreciation over 20-50 years and you can do that only as a company, not as an individual

  • @guestphone3345
    @guestphone3345 ปีที่แล้ว

    I kind of understand but can we get a part two of this video?

  • @TheMusterionOfRock
    @TheMusterionOfRock ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is very specific for the country you are in and probably also what state or region of that country.

  • @adityasawant5611
    @adityasawant5611 ปีที่แล้ว

    My simple question is if income gets taxed then why is there no such rule for expenses..why do all the mandatory expenses of any individuals like food, electricity, cooking gas, property tax, water tax, clothes & others..gets deducted before calculating his income..??

  • @mayramaldonado7043
    @mayramaldonado7043 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a financial advisor: "do not do this unless you fully understand the meaning of "leverage"
    It only works if the % return you make on your investment is higher than the expenses for finance it