Audiophile Power Regenerator Repair (PS Audio Power Plant 300)

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  • Mark repairs a Power Plant 300 from PS Audio. This AC Regenerator has a blown output, and some dodgy behavior. Still not sure if you can actually hear any difference (I'll leave that debate for the audiophiles to fight over), but the grid electricty waveform is not getting any better.

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  • @TheChipburner
    @TheChipburner ปีที่แล้ว +186

    I think there is a much easier fix: just wire the output directly to the input, and the thing will do exactly the same job as before ;)

    • @jdlech
      @jdlech ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You put far too much faith in my local power company

    • @JasonLeaman
      @JasonLeaman ปีที่แล้ว +9

      NAILED IT !

    • @carlosfigueiredo8476
      @carlosfigueiredo8476 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      😂😂😂
      No, you are wrong. The "thing" will do a better job than before.....

    • @bijukumarkn4626
      @bijukumarkn4626 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😀😃😄

    • @sonyoledmasterrace6394
      @sonyoledmasterrace6394 ปีที่แล้ว

      true hater in his natural habitat! Says the arm chair audiophile that does nothing but look at what he can’t afford or have.😮

  • @AintBigAintClever
    @AintBigAintClever ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Hope you fitted an audiophile-grade relay with ion-infused twisted pair armature leads. That fuse needs to have cost at least fifteen quid, too :)

  • @ChipGuy
    @ChipGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    You know who could use that for it's ability to output 60 Hz? TECHMOAN! he could plug the step down transformer into the output and then generate some real 115V/60 Hz.

    • @MattTester
      @MattTester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Good thinking, this would be ideal for Mat. Didn't occur to me when I was watching the repair.

    • @ShainAndrews
      @ShainAndrews ปีที่แล้ว

      Who?

    • @ChipGuy
      @ChipGuy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ShainAndrews Enter "techmoan" into the youtube search field. Usually the first entry gets you to the channel.

    • @DarronBirgenheier
      @DarronBirgenheier ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ShainAndrews www.youtube.com/@Techmoan/videos

    • @allandenman9387
      @allandenman9387 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi Mark. I must say that watching your videos makes me envy the way you tackle such a wide variety of devices. You are a true professional. It's great to see you are able to put your hands on all the parts required and your test equipment is so comprehensive. Keep up the good work. Personally I would like to see you tackle one of those horrible little Denon mini reciver/cd players and their ilk.(model numbers escape me at this moment)
      Kind regards Allan 😃

  • @electronicengineer
    @electronicengineer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Hello Mark! I just stumbled upon your channel and I instinctively clicked on the subscribe button. Your troubleshooting and subsequent repair of this "smoke and mirrors/snake oil" AC power regenerator (seriously... how silly) was Top Notch. Color me impressed. BTW, Kapton tape used as an insulator is mildly acceptable, depending on the heat transfer coefficient requirement not needing to be moderately fast, however I take issue with this tape having the ability to be in the same league of thermally transmissive mica, Sil-pads, etc. Kapton tape is coated with adhesive on the sticky side (obviously) and the formulation of this glue does not address having any thermally transmissive properties at all. Just because the Kapton tape is a good insulator does not make it a good thermal conductor. In my opinion, using plain old school mica wafers or the newer Sil-pads will provide much faster heat transfer away from the BJTs and the speed at which the heat can be soaked away can be quite critical, when a lot of current passes through the active devices. Just my $0.02 worth of unsolicited concern. Thank you for the video and you did a beautiful job of repairing this "thing". Fred

    • @hoobsgroove
      @hoobsgroove ปีที่แล้ว

      was that relay powerful enough? it didn't look meaty enough.

    • @vicweast
      @vicweast ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I personally have experience with these "things", and know what positive improvements I can demonstrate in terms of noise-reduction and clarity. Have you used one are are you just convinced they are not worth it? If so why, pray tell...

    • @mattparker8747
      @mattparker8747 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@vicweast Let's just put it this way, I've never come across an audiophile who has any knowledge of electronics or physics...

    • @DevideNull
      @DevideNull ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@vicweast If you want to fight, you can check out the Audio Science Review.
      Basically, it doesn't make any sense unless your device's circuitry doesn't use DC, but directly AC.
      Any normal circuit's DC side should not be affected by AC in any way unless there are major power surge or blackout.

    • @TheStuffMade
      @TheStuffMade ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@mattparker8747A good example is the late Siegfried Linkwitz (of Linkwitz-Riley filter fame) was a dedicated audiophile and an electronics engineer who designed instruments (Spectrum Analyzers etc) at Hewlett Packard for many years.

  • @tomeasterbrook9486
    @tomeasterbrook9486 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That solder sucker makes such a satisfying “nom nom nom” sound

  • @gordthor5351
    @gordthor5351 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    The only thing that makes your audio sound better than the loud (unnecessary) fan on the magical AC generator, is when all that pretty AC current enters your amp and almost instantly gets chopped up into DC via a bridge rectifier. Oh well, it was pretty well it lasted until the bridge rectifier destroyed your beautiful artwork AC snake oil. If audiophiles spent a little time learning the basics of electronics, they wouldn't spend a dime on useless snake oil products. If you can't reliably tell the difference in a blind A/B test, than any perceived gains only exist in your head (the placebo effect). Better sound quality comes from spending your money on the few things that actually make a difference. Better amp, preamp, DAC, speakers, room treatment.....

    • @digitalradiohacker
      @digitalradiohacker ปีที่แล้ว +10

      There is a guy here who SWEARS that the kapton tape makes the transistor run hotter, giving the audio a "warm sound" with more "width" and "depth".
      ROFL
      My speakers at home are connected to my amp with old leftover ethernet cable, and I don't care.

    • @robertromero8692
      @robertromero8692 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, a double blind test is the true measure of whether it makes a difference.

    • @dh-_1011
      @dh-_1011 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      But what about my depth of field getting bigger? And my warmer punchy round bass? And silky yet transparent mids? And the smooth yet accurate treble? And my stereo field widening? And the fact that my tubes last longer? My $1000/ft speakers cables are at 90• bends for perfect sine wave conductivity. And yes I did make sure my power cables cost at least $5000 and they are most definitely directional. This magic box is a MUST in any serious system. Get with it, bruh!! /s

    • @gordthor5351
      @gordthor5351 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dh-_1011 Haha! I tried one of those directional power cables and it sounded amazing, but it wasn't worth the trouble of having to switch the cable ends around 60 times per/sec, so AC current could flow both ways.

    • @dh-_1011
      @dh-_1011 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gordthor5351 It’s a labour of love, it’s all about tOaN!!!!!!!!

  • @digitalradiohacker
    @digitalradiohacker ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I'd have put a couple of internal Wago connectors in it to jumper the input to the output, nicked the magnetics for my windowsill collection, and stuck a housebrick in it to make up for the wieght loss.
    What kind of mutant would take a rotational machine generated sine and then use an approximated copy of it "for audiophile purposes"?
    Really - If your amp can't deal with the odd powerline glitch, bin the sodding thing.
    (Deep breath) - Nice repair.

    • @normanbott
      @normanbott 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's generally the opinion of Amir from Audio Science Review. And mine too. PS Audio stuff is vastly over priced .

  • @gbmillergb
    @gbmillergb ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Hi, did the transistors actually use Kapton tape to transfer heat from the transistors to the heatsink? Because if it was used it might be the cause of the origional failure, Kapton tape does not have very good thermal conductivity.
    Btw I think the screws need to have a fine coat of snake oil to maintain the sonic properties of the power supply.

    • @hvdtoorn
      @hvdtoorn ปีที่แล้ว +3

      exactly what I thought!

    • @RetroTuna
      @RetroTuna ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i was type typing the same thing when i seen your post super odd.

    • @ebaystars
      @ebaystars ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RetroTuna nah you HAVE to replace all the capacitors with space-qualified, anti beta radiation ones, and they have a gold foil / kapton dielectric layer between their vaiorus hiss and click sonic-proofing layers, thanks for the tip I just realised I can use Kapton tape for picture framing as it wont melt in Thailand :-) (PS we got plenty of snakes here)

    • @Tokaisho1
      @Tokaisho1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think someone was in this before

    • @normanbott
      @normanbott 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The snake oil only comes with NEW gear, it's factory installed. Once opened the magic is gone.

  • @petesmith2234
    @petesmith2234 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    What a pointless piece of kit, but I suppose someone must buy them. The story of the king’s new clothes comes to mind. As many have said, it’s converted to DC anyway and that’s all the amp see’s. All it really wants is a good low impedance supply which doesn’t sag under load, such as that available from a standard 13Amp socket. All this device can do is raise the impedance. If it were able to lower it, it would be possible to pull more power (for the same voltage) than it’s drawing from the mains, which is clearly impossible.
    Any conventional power supply only pulls current towards the waveform peaks anyway, which is what leads to the distortion in the first place. If anything, the slightly flat topped waveform will reduce the peak currents in the rectifier and probably prolong its life.
    The output waveform looks great with a small constant resistive light bulb load. I’d like to see what it does in the real world powering an amp with constantly changing load and phase angle. I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t look any better than the raw mains, not only that, but it would also be constantly ‘on the move’ as well and would also inflict the same wobbly supply on any source equipment.
    The option of 55Hz is totally bizarre. 55Hz is not used on a properly functioning mains supply anywhere in the world. If you were that worried about the quality of your mains, why on earth would you want a non standard frequency?
    It seems to me, if you really need one of these, you should have bought audio equipment which was properly designed in the first place.

    • @DrTune
      @DrTune ปีที่แล้ว +5

      exactly this ^^

    • @chimpana
      @chimpana ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Audiophiles' brains and wallets don't work that way. They'd strap a tortoise to their amps if someone wrote a convincing article it would help with sound quality.

    • @petesmith2234
      @petesmith2234 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@chimpana I have a giraffe on mine, I read somewhere it improves the high end.

    • @ebaystars
      @ebaystars ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nah the company should have made Tempest Grade isolation devices (for that ultimate red-black transition) and filters then they would have made zillions from the military

    • @B3ARCAT
      @B3ARCAT ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@chimpana I can think of a number of examples, but I think my favorite so far is audiophiles who use little wooden stands, like tiny 3” telephone poles every 2’ propping up their cables so that their speaker cabling and patch cables (oh, excuse me “interconnects”) do not make contact with their carpet or other flooring, because…that’s…bad.
      The person I first saw doing that spent 30 min trying to explain to me how much better his system sounded after this modification, and why, in pseudoscientific terms at least, it made such a huge difference to use his wood stands. It’s bizarre and hilarious. It’s woo-woo, almost like a set of supernatural beliefs. Makes me kind of sad, this sort of anti-scientific, non-evidence based approach, but I think the main thing that really drives me nuts about this is that it’s not even necessary because there’s so much great sounding, inexpensive consumer/prosumer and pro-audio gear available!
      I am a musician, producer/sound designer (and so is my brother), mostly video game music/soundtracks and sound effects, so I obviously enjoy good music, played on a system that is adequate. Audio engineering has long been an apprenticeship-based profession, starting with the “tea boy” role in older studios (or the “roadie” role - in touring and live concert production) so it used to be a bit more difficult to access the knowledge needed to work in our field without some sort of hands-on training…but these days, there are so many ways to learn about the concepts behind sound engineering, so the knowledge is easily available to almost anyone with internet access. I hope more “audiophiles” will realize they don’t even need all this expensive, often absolutely useless and absurd crap to hear their favorite recorded music, faithfully reproduced.

  • @josepeixoto3384
    @josepeixoto3384 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    just for general info, i just checked it º.º
    kapton tape, heat pass thru,used in the old days 0.1 W/mK better than notinng...
    silicone pads, used today 1.6 W/mK so, this is 16 times BETTER

    • @northernlightandsound
      @northernlightandsound 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You have to account for the thickness though. If the silicone pads are more than 16 times thicker than the Kapton tape, higher thermal conductivity won’t help.

  • @gordthor5351
    @gordthor5351 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like your method of adding solder and heat from the back to avoid pulling pads off on the backside.

  • @gminker
    @gminker ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You are quite talented. Grind a notch in the tube of your solder sucker for the iron tip to fit in and it will work better

  • @theDanMicWebshow
    @theDanMicWebshow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "I'm not electroboom" is the best part of this video🤣

    • @gordonwelcher9598
      @gordonwelcher9598 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is just as funny when he gets zapped. He even swears sometimes.

  • @andylewis3461
    @andylewis3461 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To my experienced eyes, this whole thing smacks of having been (badly) repaired before hence the Kapton tape for SIL pad bodge. Kapton tape as SIL Pads, sorry not on my planet! Good video as usual chap, keep it up! A

  • @sidjoyce5426
    @sidjoyce5426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Another belter Mark..makes my day...more vintage please.

  • @mikeh6876
    @mikeh6876 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Going way, way back to the first days of the PC, we would frequently have to give boards with an edge connector the "pink pearl" treatment. That is, using a Pink Prearl Eraser to clean the contacts. Worked wonders 90% of the time.

  • @cda32
    @cda32 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Only audiophiles would pay twice as much for an online UPS without the batteries.

    • @GeekLabsMusic
      @GeekLabsMusic ปีที่แล้ว

      I was about to ask, despite the obvious irrelevance of the mains line condition once it's rectified... Wouldn't an UPS do the same thing... Maybe not be able to switch the frequency though.

    • @sonyoledmasterrace6394
      @sonyoledmasterrace6394 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he got a deal since it’s used Einstein.😂

  • @soudley8
    @soudley8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wonder how many times his mum has to call him, to come in for his tea. Great content, can't stop watching , what a perfectionist , thank you Mark

  • @graemeguthrie2054
    @graemeguthrie2054 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Wow that was interesting to see that waveform clipped before you worked your magic on the PS Audio unit. I have never seen capton tape used before in that way and I worked in electronic manufacturing a long time. As you say there must have been a reason for it. Love your videos.

    • @gordonwelcher9598
      @gordonwelcher9598 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Mica insulators will give a grainy, mineral sound.
      The audio characteristic of silicone is too soft and rubbery.
      Kapton will produce a clear tight sound with solid bass and treble.
      Unfortunately beryllium oxide will cause severe attenuation of high frequencies and make your high end setup sound like a cheap telephone.
      Of course diamond is the superior heat transfer material of choice and produces no noticeable coloration, it is the best if you can afford it.
      Vacuum tube amplifiers do not require heat transfer pads. That is one of the reasons they have a superior sound

    • @peterallen8413
      @peterallen8413 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@gordonwelcher9598 Spoken like a true audiophile.....Cough!

    • @smcic
      @smcic ปีที่แล้ว +3

      🤣

    • @gordonwelcher9598
      @gordonwelcher9598 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@peterallen8413 At low frequencies the heat is produced in waves. Inappropriate transient properties of the heat transfer material will cause the bass to be severely distorted due to thermal effects on the output transistor junctions. Nonlinear dielectric loss in the stray capacitance will affect the high frequencies. Tighter clamping will make a noticeable improvement in sound.

    • @chimpana
      @chimpana ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@gordonwelcher9598 I'd love to see a double blind test for that woo woo!

  • @williamjones4483
    @williamjones4483 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Way back in the day I dabbled quite a bit in electronics and I would run across a piece of equipment that had heatsinked power transistors. The manufacturers always used mica and heat sink paste.

  • @PebblesChan
    @PebblesChan ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I highly recommend that you upgrade & use a PACE SX-100 desoldering tool. It’s second to none & so good that you won’t know yourself. It uses extremely convenient disposable dross cartridges making its maintenance a breeze!

    • @ianhaylock7409
      @ianhaylock7409 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Second to none, after the Metcal desoldering tool. Of course not many people can afford Metcal prices, and it requires a seperate compressor.

  • @Bednar121
    @Bednar121 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well, disregarding all the snakeoil comments, cuz there's already enough said about that...
    Beautiful video! I really do enjoy watching You repair all those things

    • @Bednar121
      @Bednar121 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Oh, nevermind, they're held on by a clamp, not individual screws. Disregard that tip then, it only makes sense when the transistors are held by individual screws

  • @johncorrigan2942
    @johncorrigan2942 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another masterclass in debugging and repair, thanks.

  • @OhShitSeriously
    @OhShitSeriously ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A bit of silicone tubing cut on an angle makes a lovely slip-on flexible nozzle extension for those solder suckers. You get a nice seal over the iron tip and joint, which makes the vacuum much more effective, and the silicone isn't deformed by the heat of the iron.

    • @boofuls
      @boofuls ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like a good idea 🙂

  • @Lenny-kt2th
    @Lenny-kt2th ปีที่แล้ว +12

    1:00 That sinewave shape was like that thirty years ago, so IMHO has little to do with "modern" electronics. Conventional power supplies are just as guilty in taking power at the peak of the sinewave as switched mode power supplies are.
    I'm not too worried about the slightly distorted mains sinewave, my audio (and other) devices turn it into a regulated DC supply first anyway.

    • @erikbertram6019
      @erikbertram6019 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its not actually the switched mode bit of the power supply that does that, its the rectifier, which has been used forever. SMPS can inject distortion into the net, just not harmonic distortion. Nowadays, there is more regulation on the distortion a supply is allowed to make, so I would imagine it would only get better, as long as we don't collectively buy unregulated imported electronics, which tend to omit most of the improvements, like power factor correction and EMI filters.

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I get a nice waveform out of a ferroresonant converter, which also has a nice advantage that rectifier diodes run cooler due to the flat topped waveform, and it makes for a really good mains filter as well, surviving a few cycles of drop out with no hassle..

    • @chimpana
      @chimpana ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Almost as if audiophile kit is expensive snake oil!

  • @johnkristian
    @johnkristian ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice to have a big fat finger print on the front glass :P

  • @998cooper
    @998cooper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Very Nice I'm sure Paul McGowan would be impressed.

    • @RickMahoney2013
      @RickMahoney2013 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don’t think so I believe he likes to work on his own equipment he’d want any of his secrets getting out into the world.

  • @bruceinoz8002
    @bruceinoz8002 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Basically a UPS (sans batteries) with an "audiophile" price?

  • @drdyna
    @drdyna 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've always loved that copper-chrome color of the kapton tape roll.

  • @antcollins6594
    @antcollins6594 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Hi - easier to remove the transistor if you snip the pins first. You can then remove the pins one at a time without needing to overheat (and possibly lift) the pads.
    I'd also be worrying about clearances to the case around the capton tape. Presumably those power devices are at mains voltage - pretty sure there isn't 5mm of clearance there. In fact the position of the screws make that impossible - as far as I can see.

    • @hashtag-shaneiacs
      @hashtag-shaneiacs ปีที่แล้ว

      Never thought of this, thanks! Of course do this only if I’m sure the semiconductor is faulty or else I’ll snip off a good one n can’t test whether it’s ok or not

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do not think the amplifier runs at mains, likely around 70V rails, with one power transformer doing the input and the other 2 the output sockets, each separate.

    • @ivolol
      @ivolol ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't trust audio engineers to get normal electrical safety standards correct 🤣

    • @thomasmleahy6218
      @thomasmleahy6218 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​​@@ivolol How dare you!! I'm shocked, shocked!! (Apologies to Claude Rains).
      ⚡⚡😂

  • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
    @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy ปีที่แล้ว +9

    In the real world this device only has value if you live between a steel mill and a welding shop, but it's nicely made nonetheless.

    • @Wizardofgosz
      @Wizardofgosz ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And even then it won't do anything.

    • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
      @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Wizardofgosz Yeah you're right, if the steel mill is chomping whole cycles out of your mains then this contraption probably won't even work and your flickering lights are likely to be a bigger concern.

    • @qddk9545
      @qddk9545 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try to make a voltage divider and put your mains out into a scope, and you will see how distorted it is.

    • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
      @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@qddk9545 Sure, but distortion of the mains doesn't translate into distortion of the audio.

    • @Wizardofgosz
      @Wizardofgosz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@qddk9545 Yes? And?
      Then this miraculous thing happens. The AC gets rectified and FILTERED through this thing called a POWER SUPPLY, and the power comes out as clean DC.
      th-cam.com/video/12T7JFLGlf0/w-d-xo.html
      th-cam.com/video/II07bFlteig/w-d-xo.html

  • @tharkthax3960
    @tharkthax3960 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wish you were my neighbour. Great work!

  • @iantyler4045
    @iantyler4045 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was shouting at the screen "Check the emitter resistors" Maybe you did off camera but with shorted output transistors something would have to give and it wasn't the fuse.

  • @BigEightiesNewWave
    @BigEightiesNewWave ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine him and Mr. Carlson having a conversation.

  • @ferraridinoman
    @ferraridinoman ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can't beat a bit of a smile with Young Marko!! Great Stuff!

  • @kanguruster
    @kanguruster ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm glad I found this channel. Delightful circuit repair ASMR with such calm and authoritative commentary; it's so relaxing and I just might learn enough to be able to repair my Arcam Alpha 9 integrated amp. Win-win!

  • @GeoffDavis1974
    @GeoffDavis1974 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Notes: don't trust capaitors to discharge themselves. Cut legs from dead components to aid removal. Awesome video bud... 👌😎👍

    • @ebaystars
      @ebaystars ปีที่แล้ว

      after being off for 20 years ?

    • @GeoffDavis1974
      @GeoffDavis1974 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ebaystars Glad you can put a time and date to the last charge cycle but when working as a psu repair engineer i saw lots of open circuit bleed resistors across the mains capacitors... 😁 If you do the math a perfect capacitor will never discharge so i guess its all down to leakage... 🤔

    • @ebaystars
      @ebaystars ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GeoffDavis1974 Im old enough to remember CRTS in TVs with HUGE voltages stored on the tubes flyback pin!! Did that thing actually have high voltages over it was it switched mode unit I didnt see a circuit ? looked linear in the main?

    • @GeoffDavis1974
      @GeoffDavis1974 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ebaystarsme too, i used to repair those also. the charge is in the tube and the tube has capacitance. Same deal...

  • @johnmarchington3146
    @johnmarchington3146 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Paul will be contacting you to do all the PS Audio servicing in the UK. (Just kidding). Another excellent video.

  • @darylhudson777
    @darylhudson777 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Back in the 1990's I was at a Best Buy and they had two large plasma screen televisions that back then cost $10,000 to $12,000 US each. There was a power supply with large VU meters between them and it filtered the line voltage for 1 of the tv's. It cost $400+ US. I could definitely tell the difference in the two televisions the one that was going through the filter was much clearer a picture.

  • @paulanderson7796
    @paulanderson7796 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have good ears (I am a musician) and I listen to good equipment indoors. The true audiophiles tell me I won't hear any difference with a device like this because my modest (by their standards) equipment isn't resolving enough detail. I am using about £1200 worth of amplification and speakers, which isn't exactly cheap. But surely, if someone is spending £10,000 on a component, you'd expect the power supply stage to be sufficiently well engineered that a power regenerator should not be necessary?

  • @gtretroworld
    @gtretroworld ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really enjoyed that this morning..unsure how audible of a improvement it would be but interesting all the same.👍

    • @thomasmleahy6218
      @thomasmleahy6218 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Seems illogical to take the energy from the outlet, reduce that energy by powering an additional device designed to somehow to improve the performance even though total energy is reduced and possibly restricted, passing through myriad components.
      I would favor the "less is more" philosophy. Fewer components, less complex circuits, fewer possible points of failure, fewer components to fail. The KISS principle.

  • @absurdengineering
    @absurdengineering 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Perhaps the point of Kapton tape is no need for thermal grease. It will creep into the surface roughness to do the job pretty well. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it used by others. Myself I got this idea some 15 years ago and it has saved many a paper towel from cleaning the grease :)
    It outperforms mica thermally, that much I know. Maybe not as robust very long-term? So far it’s not failed me once on my projects. Some are under power day-round.

    • @BenState
      @BenState 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no

  • @SlinkyStoney
    @SlinkyStoney ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't know but after all, it will be converted to DC anyways. But if your TT is using an AC motor, then that would work great 👍

  • @mattsadventureswithart5764
    @mattsadventureswithart5764 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ah, the audiophool market. Where one can sell a device for converting 240VAC into 240VAC, and customers will tell you that their CD player sounds better for having done that.
    EDIT It appears that autocorrupt got audiophile. Oh well.

  • @billmilosz
    @billmilosz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No matter what kind of dodgy AC line power comes in to audio gear, the power supply in the audio equipment will clean it up- nothing bad will reach the speakers. These AC power conditioners do nothing to improve sound quality- everything it might do is down to placebo effect.

  • @leonidbreshnew401
    @leonidbreshnew401 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Come on, kapton tape insulates heat!!!!! It's used for screening areas from. hot air. Why, why, why ???????????

  • @MrPINKFL0YD
    @MrPINKFL0YD 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love it when you get quality hifi stuff to peep in!!

  • @vicweast
    @vicweast ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is a wonderful video Mark! I'm 67 and have occasionally done a bit of hands-on electronics and wiring, your videos are interesting in terms of professional technique/tips-to-be-gleaned! BTW, I love the PS Audio regenerators, they make an actual qualitative difference in the sound from my systems.

    • @user-cf1in1tl7j
      @user-cf1in1tl7j ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope - Please review th-cam.com/video/jeirY9tC_NU/w-d-xo.html HTH

  • @djkamilo66
    @djkamilo66 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the kapton tape is what's killing those transistors, kapton tape is a good thermal INSULATOR, not a conductor, and judging how some of the components are MELTED (and you did left them melted in there) this thing is running HOT. the kapton tape (without thermal paste in one side mind you) and the fact that theres a mod to lower the fan speed plus a missing one means this repair is just not gonna last. really wish you added propper insulators there, changed the melted ones and let the fan run how it shouldm factory doesnt really mean good.

    • @DrTune
      @DrTune ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mark could've done the owner a huge favour by just wiring the input mains to the output mains and bypassing the whole stupid thing, then charging the owner $1k for the repair. Massive increase in efficiency, reduction in fan noise, etc, and the owner still gets a nice heavy expensive brick thing to feel good about showing off to people.

  • @johnbravo7542
    @johnbravo7542 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I bought one of those PS Audio Power regenerator used,and I use it as a boat anchor.

  • @FlatBroke612
    @FlatBroke612 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I bet that the clipped mains by having more DC component would have LESS ripple after going through any half decent amplifiers rectifier and filter caps... audiofools will Buy anything.

  • @fluffyblue4006
    @fluffyblue4006 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Audiophile Power Regenerator Repair. Great vid, thanks. Subscribed.
    The kapton tape will run the transistors slightly hotter, for an accurate warm sound reproduction with a vintage touch. It will make silicon sound like electron valve vacuum tubes.
    Further optimizations for a vintage HiFi experience include the omission of the gold-plating, most notably at the connection of the sine board. This feature will ensure that this unit's process of becoming of age will closely resemble to how the rest of your vintage equipment will develop with time.

    • @chimpana
      @chimpana ปีที่แล้ว +4

      🤣

    • @chimpana
      @chimpana ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and all that before the conversion to DC! Remarkable.

    • @ebaystars
      @ebaystars ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I always use 2.5 mm cooker cable to run to my speakers to ensure a pure warm sound all the way to the little Tannoy coils

    • @Rondo2ooo
      @Rondo2ooo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You have a hidden talent for writing articles in audiophile magazines. ;-)

  • @JPRD2379
    @JPRD2379 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely love the channel for your wayyy in depth repairs,BUT ,cant agree on kapton tape for heat sink insulators, need thermal conductivity along with electrical isolation.

  • @Sum_Tings_Wong
    @Sum_Tings_Wong 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Straight from my home town. I've had many conversations with Paul over the years. Very neat to see a device pop up on your channel. I could most certainly hear differences all the way through my late 30's. I've done a lot of true A/B tests. Now as I'm closer to 50 than 30 my top end response is finally rolling off. Always been very diligent about hearing protection.

  • @marcusharmon8389
    @marcusharmon8389 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is why people like Sennheiser provide separate psu for their 50 grand plus headphones etc nice clean power plus the old tubes look awesome!!!

  • @bobgrob4
    @bobgrob4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    that thumbprint will make this ps a collectors item when Mark hits the bigtime.

  • @TonyLing
    @TonyLing ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If I've got this correct, this audiofool device turns AC, into DC, DC into AC, so that your audio gear can then turn the AC into DC.

    • @pizzablender
      @pizzablender ปีที่แล้ว

      A DC ADC converted AC into DC bits AC would be converted to AC using a DC rail.

    • @WouterB76
      @WouterB76 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am thunderstruck.

  • @Yreq
    @Yreq ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to work in notebook service and kapton tape has been used always to cover nearby elements from heat while soldering and/or electrical insulation, but never this way. Like William J. wrote. "mica plates" is the way to keep stuff cool and isolated.

  • @zimbab5748
    @zimbab5748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fabulous work Mark. Thanks for the vid.

  • @stephenyoud6125
    @stephenyoud6125 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another Excellent repair ( and my second viewing of yr videos) I've been avoiding buying ones of these for my Linn systems but maybe I should get one. Also - Re: the Kapton tape, Linn use Mica wafers on the Klout Power amps between the Sanken Trannies and the heat sink block and this is supposed to have improved the sound quality when introduced as a factory enhancement. I'm starting to binge watch you.. instead of getting on with my own projects. Look what you made me do !

    • @Wizardofgosz
      @Wizardofgosz ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They're great if you want to waste a lot of money and help Paul buy another Tesla.

    • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
      @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It'll warm up your room and increase revenue for the power company. If you believe that Linn know how to design audio circuits then you can safely assume they also know how to design a PSU that'll work just fine over the limits of what the power grid delivers.

    • @stephenyoud6125
      @stephenyoud6125 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy would hope so, but my old dealer in Switzerland still used external Power conditioners, I think from Isotek. I was considering a TORUS TOT MAX for my main Music system and something else for my Home Cinema room once its up and running. But would be good to get a spectrum analyser on the mains first to see how clean or dirty it is. I know a guy who might be able to look at that for me.

    • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
      @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@stephenyoud6125 Any properly designed equipment will work fine on the standard mains. Hifi dealers like to sell more stuff, whether or not it does anything useful. Edited to fix spelling mistake.

  • @Kwaq84
    @Kwaq84 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kapton as a thermopad? Bad idea... While electrically insulating it not only conduct heat poorly, but also quickly degrade when exposed to high temperature - that may cause shorts to heatsink. There is way better stuff specially designed for that role, for using at mains potential, too, if that's the case.

  • @maxtrue9744
    @maxtrue9744 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I use a CVT (Constant Voltage Transformer) to do this job. It works very well and is a passive device. CVTs are expensive as well.

  • @gettingoldsuckss
    @gettingoldsuckss ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If all repairs were like this.... couldn't have been any simpler

  • @tekvax01
    @tekvax01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    those connectors are called speak-on connectors. They are indeed used for both speakers and mains utility power. Not confusing at all!! :)

    • @hvdtoorn
      @hvdtoorn ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They are actually different between power and speaker, if I remember correctly

    • @user-zr1ij2nz6j
      @user-zr1ij2nz6j ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hvdtoorn They are indeed different. Speakon for Speakers and Powerkon for Mains. They only fit in their designatet sockets.

    • @gordonm2821
      @gordonm2821 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are Neutrik PowerCon and used where 16A inputs are needed. The superior PowerCon TRUE1 is used extensively in the pro AV/events industry

  • @Langendimi555
    @Langendimi555 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why did I only now find this channel? Love it, subscribed!

  • @cls9474
    @cls9474 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your repairs. Even if it's audiophoolery equipment. I quit my job when my company transitioned from designing mastering equipment to designing esoteric audiophile shit. Unbearable for me as engineer.

  • @AstrosElectronicsLab
    @AstrosElectronicsLab ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't believe I watched a man stick Kapton tape on transistors for five minutes... lol. Cool video. New subscriber.

    • @thomasmleahy6218
      @thomasmleahy6218 ปีที่แล้ว

      He has many other interesting and satisfying performances, stay tuned. Loved the audiophool bits, interesting and entertaining. I have seen and read of such things and find humor in it, although many are quite vexed.

  • @cmonkey63
    @cmonkey63 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Flooding the connections with solder does work, but I've lifted thinner PCB traces doing that. Boo! on me. This looks like a robust power circuit board, so safer to do. Just have to be careful. Nice to find the core problem so quickly, though. (I swear I can smell the flux in every one of these videos, ha ha.)

  • @asicdathens
    @asicdathens 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    To those audiophiles that say they prefer valves because the sound is "warmer" I reply back so you prefer distorted sound? Distorted is so dirty word for the audiophools. This device reminds me why there are people that spend 12000$ on a LAN cable (Audioquest Diamond LAN cable)

    • @Sum_Tings_Wong
      @Sum_Tings_Wong 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Paul will tell you straight up that valves colorize the sound. If that is your preference they have a product. If it is not your preference they have a product.

  • @aaronatwood9298
    @aaronatwood9298 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When this said audiophile, I was expecting NOS GEC KT77, reformed waxy caps that look like they could have been from Stalin's birthday cake, rolled aluminum oil caps, mustard caps, carbon comp resistors, separate HT and Filiment transformers, 2 single end transformers for push pull, a 2 wire plug cause the grounded chassis will affect the sound, and a whole drawer full of pre and power tubes (valves) to roll for each song selection as different combinations match the sonic properties of the music.
    I build amplifiers, if all the ratings match the label, you will not ever notice the difference. On bass amps I do oversize the output transformer because OT saturation can be noticeable at low frequencies, Nichicon, F&T or Mod electrolytics, but other than that, most of my useage stuff is pretty generic. I laugh when a customer thinks that blue molded ajax caps, RCA or Mullard tubes, and every resistor being carbon comp is the key to perfect Fender tone... But oh well. They pay.

  • @jblesser
    @jblesser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Impeccable work!

  • @freeelectron8261
    @freeelectron8261 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kapton has high thermal resistance, the opposite of what you want for a power device heat sink washer. But given power transistors have heatsink top and bottom it might not matter.

  • @bytemyvoid
    @bytemyvoid ปีที่แล้ว +1

    capton tape is thermal insulator, so uve insulated transistors from heatsink.

  • @hrmny_
    @hrmny_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    interesting that this uses powercon for the power input, that's generally only used in the pro audio space, not by audiophiles
    they also don't use speakon for no good reason in the hifi space, it's much superior to screw terminals or banana plugs

  • @JasperJanssen
    @JasperJanssen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if the gaping hole used to house a fan-shaped filter?

  • @zetacrucis681
    @zetacrucis681 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is special high conductivity kapton tape, Kapton MT+, that might have been used originally on those mosfets. Still wouldn't use kapton tape for the job if I didn't have to...

  • @RickMahoney2013
    @RickMahoney2013 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Paul Mc Gowan is or would have a heart attack watching someone else work on his equipment. If you know anything about him he doesn’t sell his equipment in stores and always talks about if you have and problems with his equipment send it to them to repair. 😢

  • @jim5148
    @jim5148 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have never seen such a distorted incoming AC sinewave. I guess I'm lucky.

  • @derekblake9385
    @derekblake9385 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such skill and knowledge but irritating to watch you dragging components out when you could use solder wick to save ripping at the pads.

  • @JMNTN
    @JMNTN ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so all this does is convert your ac to dc, convert it back to ac only for your amplifier to convert it back to dc again. So in the end they assume that the power supply in your amplifier is so bad that it needs this extra step without doing anything different from any other basic power supply.

  • @gordonwelcher9598
    @gordonwelcher9598 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I find that copper desoldering braid is very useful.
    It is always good to have It in your arsenal of desoldering aids.
    Sometimes it makes a brown mess on the board that has to be cleaned with alcohol.

    • @MikeDS49
      @MikeDS49 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was taught to use braid over a solder sucker by military electronics techs because there's less risk ripping off the pads. But if Mark uses one and he's had good luck with them, more power!

    • @gordonwelcher9598
      @gordonwelcher9598 ปีที่แล้ว

      The solder mask comes off if you are not careful.

    • @PebblesChan
      @PebblesChan ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s why I use a top notch PACE SX-100 desoldering tool! It’s the best desoldering tool I’ve ever used. It sucks all the solder from plated through holes as clean as a whistle & allows the desoldered component to literally fall out without causing any damage to the PCB.

  • @hmbpnz
    @hmbpnz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder if the Kapton tape caused the shorting of those power transistors?

  • @bravo1412
    @bravo1412 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Audiophil people are also a case for themselves! Amplifiers must be analog and the power supply must be made with a heavy iron core! otherwise you hear switching noises. Digital amps suck! but using a digital amplifier so that the analogue amplifier gets a digital 50-60hz sampled at 20-40khz sine wave on the main connection is ok! that makes the sound much better than the analog one from the main connection. we have smps that are worlds better than analog iron core transformers. and even outperform this combination by far. for the money i would instead of that shit that can't do anything. just use 10 12v car batteries. 75ah 12v cost $100 each
    . 10 of them and for 1000 dollars you have the best power supply that money can buy! for 100-150 dollars there is the charger. for $1150 anyone can build their zero ripple power supply. that's enough for 2x50-2x100w analog eazy! You can draw 400w of power from this battery pack for 22 hours, but I would take about 10 hours, i.e. half the capacity, as a benchmark and tha recharge!

  • @LaLaLand.Germany
    @LaLaLand.Germany ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Heij Buddy, I just wonder: You have the most beautiful measuring stuff and still desolder like a cave man?
    I do way less fiddeling than You but I didn´t want to put up with that anymore so I bought a desolder station, a zd 915. Applied the overvoltage mod in form of a step down converter in place of some load resistors switched in line with the pump and fan- works splendid.
    The poor fan gets 18 volts, it´s dragged down by the load of the pump to 12 volts. Now with the converter it´s at 12,5 volts all the time and the pump starts up instant. This thing really sucks now and is way quieter as before. A good machine.

  • @AlphaCryptoMegaDick
    @AlphaCryptoMegaDick ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Painful to watch that wrangling out of those transistors by moving around soldering iron. I was just waiting for the PCB to suffer consequences. 🙁

  • @Tony-he8ze
    @Tony-he8ze หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guy that owns it probably has a 115dB SNR DAC, with the power regenerator cooling fan generating 70dB of noise. Brilliant! Kapton tape thermal conductivity is probably what killed the outputs. You used low oxygen audiophile grade solder right?

  • @jimklyman9602
    @jimklyman9602 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the part snooping and replacement, one question - how the heck do you source the replacement parts when they are so old. Heck I have problems with getting parts that are only 5 years old, let alone DIP chips and specialty relays !

    • @RickMahoney2013
      @RickMahoney2013 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Get em from Paul Mc Gowan.

  • @neph3129
    @neph3129 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For such an expensive product, the quality inside looks like DIY grade!

    • @Sum_Tings_Wong
      @Sum_Tings_Wong 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Better than anything you could ever produce today.

  • @LSmiata
    @LSmiata 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flat spots on peaks of the waveform. Clipping? System cannot hold peak signal??

  • @Silent-Lucidity
    @Silent-Lucidity ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Paul drives me nuts! Not sure what it is about him, but I watched his videos for a while, and I just could not stand listening to him anymore.

    • @domosautomotive1929
      @domosautomotive1929 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I used to watch his videos too. But then I realized that if you're not using PS Audio components or audio cables that cost $100/inch, your system is crap.

    • @jamesrindley6215
      @jamesrindley6215 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I can't watch him, he comes across as disingenuous. He's clearly a competent and knowledgeable engineer who understands the principles by which good sound is produced. Then he goes on to feed the rumours and claptrap circulating in audio circles, upon which he sells vacuum tube amplifiers and power regenerators. He knows full well this contraption won't make any difference to any well designed audio equipment. If this made a difference then the equipment it feeds has a poorly designed PSU. He pushes flawed concepts, like conflating the purity of the AC supply with the purity of the audio signal. He sells nonsense hyper expensive power cables and snake oil mains fuses. It's sad and I can't watch the guy, he's trading on the ignorance of fools who have more money than sense.

    • @domosautomotive1929
      @domosautomotive1929 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jamesrindley6215 When he did a tour of his home theater setup he doesn't even us his own stuff. He uses Emotiva amps because he "doesn't have room" for the monster size PS Audio components.

    • @jamesrindley6215
      @jamesrindley6215 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@domosautomotive1929 Yup, and he no doubt knows full well that all correctly functioning amplifiers sound identical.

  • @aurelioact
    @aurelioact 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would like to see you restore a Model 1360 Gradiente Receiver or a Polyvox PR-4150 Receiver. Let's go??

  • @prillewitz
    @prillewitz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like it! For the initials alone already!

  • @marcse7en
    @marcse7en ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What's with the strange 1930's intro music? 🤣
    EDIT: I've been a Hi-Fi enthusiast for 44 years, and my equipment has always sounded superb, powered by our "ropey" UK electricity! 👍🤣

    • @digitalradiohacker
      @digitalradiohacker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But does your gear have the "warmth", "depth" and "width" that you gain from the thermal insulation that kapton tape delivers?

  • @brandonburr4900
    @brandonburr4900 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Good to see o e of Paul's pieces put back into service after years of use. I thought the unit was from the mid 90s when Paul was trying to put back the company on the map after he bought it back (after having sold it). This was one of the first products to really get ps audio going in the direction they are today. They made bigger versions of the the 600 and and 1200 I think for powering various audio pieces. Seen a number of these needing work and it's interesting why these transistors fail and that scorched relay. Only seen a couple of your videos but their fun, inspiring and educational. Just curious if you do any videos on things for beginners like soldering tips, general advice on measuring and tech tips? Thanks from the USA!

    • @kazuviking
      @kazuviking ปีที่แล้ว

      PS Audio made money buy scamming uneducated old "idiots".

    • @brucenicoll4373
      @brucenicoll4373 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is nice to see I am a fan of ps from New Zealand

  • @torugonza
    @torugonza 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    En Argentina se venden aparatos que hacen el mismo trabajo, los llamamos UPS

  • @busman2000
    @busman2000 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am guessing that was an industrial size version of a smoothing circuit ( like with ripple DC)??

  • @bobcuyt4675
    @bobcuyt4675 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hm - just one thought: Kapton tape to insulate the transistors from the heatsink. Will indeed insulate electrically very well, but also…thermally. I thought Kapton tape was used to insulate things thermally, so not what you want to achieve here?

  • @BM-jy6cb
    @BM-jy6cb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's a bit big for a paperweight, which, let's face it, is exactly what it is, albeit a very expensive one. You should have asked the owner if he wanted to buy a tin of very expensive invisible audio magic dust alongside the repair.

  • @nutsnproud6932
    @nutsnproud6932 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for bringing us along to the workshop. I guess some idiot overloaded the output and took the transistors out.

  • @Andrew-rc3vh
    @Andrew-rc3vh ปีที่แล้ว

    A god trick with removing power transistors is to put enough solder on so it bridges adjacent pins and then heat the whole thing up, or 2/3 and then leaver it from side to side.