The irony here is that I had difficulty listening to the quiet parts in this video due to my Synology NAS in the rack cabinet next to me desk chattering away loudly!
I solved this problem years ago, with my 2 disk Synology DS213j. I have it tucked away in the wiring closet which is pretty far removed from anyone in our apartment. Zero noise for anyone at home who's not standing behind our front door. That's the beauty of a NAS, easy to stash away.
That placement will amplify all sounds generated in that kabinett. You should do a comparison with it standing in the middle of a room on a table in a "open air placement" compared to that niche. Even a shelf on a wall could do a big difference compared to the niche.
Very wrong measurements, good for yt video, but man oh man… first inside that bookshelf you will have always a mess, just at least add to the wall (of the shelf) sound dumping foam or something, second best put it over the shelf , on top you will get more sounds dispersed by the distance …. Inside the shelf you are getting more noise by reflection and not by the direct sound wave, it’s hard the measure , it could be on some frequencies amplified together reflections plus direct wave
He is calculating the relative measurements, not absolute. Plus, he's going to keep it in the bookshelf anyway so why not test it in its actual environment
@@u1f98a " good for yt video" - if the measurement are relative, then also the conclusion is relative to the conditions of the measurement. If the conditions are " good for yt video" then the measurements are " good for yt video". Only thing I am saying, and it was also mentioned by Alex, that almost closed enclosure of the shelf is most probably acting as a speaker enclosure itself. Alex is having great videos, but this was below his average in my humble opinion. Funny? maybe. Inspirative for some, for sure. Take care.
Yeah, as an audio guy watching this video... this was rough. Couple things; the closed cell foam might help with vibration, but not as much sound. He should have lined the cabinet around the unit with some felt or cloth of some kind and that would have helped even more. The foam or speaker stands aren't a bad idea, but not what's going to make the biggest difference. Exactly as you say, most of what he's hearing is secondary reflections, which is why when he put the foam down, he said it got to be less "low rumbly" and more "scratchy" because the primary sound of the unit was absorbed by the dampeners and the secondary reflections are coming off the walls of the cabinet. Higher frequencies reflect off hard surfaces more easily, which is why for something with a higher pitched fan and clicky noises, treatment around the cabinet is best suited.
Interesting and funny video. Keep up the good work. However, I should point out that the UGreen NAS models pull cool air from the rear (through the dust filter) and spits it out the front. It’s for this reason that it’s likely a bad idea to put it on a bookshelf.
One additional way to reduce noise from that NAS: first of all, cover that cavity with some acoustic absorbing material and second, place a plane of material in front of that shelf, not necessary closing it, just a barrier hanging in front of the shelf to force sound to go not straight. And if everything inside lined with sound absorbing material the overall reduction will be much greater than can be expected from such a simple intervention.
As a coder and audio producer, it would have been good to see the EQ curve over the 3 samples. I bet you would have seen the low (rumble) dropping but perhaps the higher frequencies being accentuated.
then you out of all people will notice the significant low dropoff in sample 3, just by listening, no need for metering to hear the difference. but yeah I could have added the frequency response chart
The springs are working best when they have a specific load; they need to be compressed a bit. Try only one of those and also try without foam. You can also try to have one below and one above the NAS so the spring one the top is compressing the other.
Try putting it on the floor inside a foam lined box with an inch or two air gap around the NAS for air circulation with openings to let the air in and out. Done.
This is a placebo effect mostly, dude. If you want to isolate the sound, put it in a cabinet facing away from you. You can also isolate the walls of the cabinet with foam so they absorb sound as much as possible.
Ultimate solution would be to keep loud hardware in closet behind wall, and feed cables peripherals through minimal hole, under 2m cables are realistic even for high transfer rate interfaces. Result is close to silent operation. Even with objectively loud hardware
I think this partly has to do with the orientation of the drives. My enclosure has drives horizontally and they aren't pounding heads into the surface it sits on.
So I’m confused, why not switch to an SSD based NAS? No noise at all! You could use the new one from UGreen for a live system drive and then move your HD based unit to the back of the basement for extended, long term storage…
#Azisk @AZisk were you using 7200rpm drives or just 5400rpm ones? the later ones should be much quieter and while they are slower, they do wake up faster, because it doesn't take so long for them to spin up to their maximum rpm...
Hi Alex, can you edit your files directly on NAS? Is it slow compared to storage in your Mac? Planning to buy MacBook with 1TB storage the rest of storage instead upgrading storage via Apple I’m opting to build my NAS. What do you think?
id be really nervous editing right off the NAS unless I had 10Gig ethernet. it might be possible to edit HD single track video though. I really haven’t tried, but might try soon with another NAS
you only need (enough) napkins (paper or cloth) at the bottom to isolate vibrations. optionally put a mask at the sides so you disable the echo chamber at the back.
I reduced the noise by using a cardboard box, tossed the lid, lined it with sound dampening material and made som holes for the cables. Less noise and no difference in temperature.
It wouldn’t have mattered much what you put in the space, just putting in foam reduces the echoes and reverberation of the seeks. You get the same issue with “OEM Trash” cases, ie the Dell/HP/etc minitower PCs, again, caused by a bunch of open space and minimal drive dampening.
I wonder if you could cover the drives themselves in some thin foam or silicone/rubber that would reduce the vibration of metal inside the case 🤔 Sorta what mechanical keyboard enthusiasts do with those rubber bands in each switch. HDDs don't heat up much, right? I don't remember being concerned about that ever
Hello, Alex. Some of the problem you are having comes from the fact your enclosure is a plastic box. A plastic box will reverberate like an acoustic instrument. If you used a metal enclosure, you would still get "some" noise but it would not be as pronounced. As it is, keeping the box off the shelf is a good thing but the sides and top of the box are still reverberating. Try applying soft foam to the top, bottom and sides (1-1/2" to 2"). The styrofoam is too solid to do a good job. Also, get the box Off of that shelf. The shelving unit is acting like a speaker cabinet and projecting all that noise out at you. 😁✌🖖
I have done the same thing, also I put my NAS inside a box. Now there is 0 noise sitting 4 meters away from it. I thought heat will be an issue, but it is not.
You couldn't have chosen a worse case. I put my DS 923+ on rubber feet. On stone tiles, so that the fans at the back can ventilate freely. Everything is reflected in your case.
You could just buy some SATA SSD internal 2.5" drives and replace the HD in your NAS. You can get a 4TB SSD for around $200 or 8TB SSD for around $645 each.
Seems like bad NAS design. I have rubber feed on mine, never had the NAS bother me, not over my ESATA DAS with black drives in it. Maybe you have noisier black disks instead of red drives, or performance vs NAS disks.
I've never heard harddisks to have these kind of sounds. Something is very wrong there. I would open it a bit and run it without the outer box to see what the hell is happening. I think something moves inside and one internal box is knocking on another or something. Normally there should be only the sounds of the fans and the sounds of the HDDs, which don't freaking knock, LoL. And if it is as I'm suspecting, adding a bit of internal foam/dampner (to not knock, aka to not make the sound in the first place) should be much more effective.
@@AZisk my english not so great to write the scheme. i think, after you use a piece foam, it's obviously, noise comes from inside the box, not outside
That sounded more like a bunch of dwarves writing your data onto punchcards.
Juggling a NAS one-handed while fumbling in a Rack because it's to complicated to unplug never gets old ;-).
I cut out a lot of the juggling. it wasn’t easy
The irony here is that I had difficulty listening to the quiet parts in this video due to my Synology NAS in the rack cabinet next to me desk chattering away loudly!
😂
I solved this problem years ago, with my 2 disk Synology DS213j. I have it tucked away in the wiring closet which is pretty far removed from anyone in our apartment. Zero noise for anyone at home who's not standing behind our front door. That's the beauty of a NAS, easy to stash away.
0:40 I think the problem with fixing your previous NAS, is that The Hammer is the wrong tool for this job. Next time you should try The Screwdriver.
Chrome is begging for a relaunch :) 3:43 . Great content Mate.
I like to keep it begging for a week before I update
@@AZisk to be 💯 sure on that drop , crowdstrike memories are still fresh :)
All my years in tech and this is the first I’ve heard A NAS sound so close to “back hole” 💀
Similar feet are also used for turntables. Really useful
Yes, true
Darn man, You kicked that power supply's NAS!
4x8TB 2.5” ssd can solve your problems. It is more expensive but for someone with multiple macbooks pro it should be no big deal.
That placement will amplify all sounds generated in that kabinett. You should do a comparison with it standing in the middle of a room on a table in a "open air placement" compared to that niche.
Even a shelf on a wall could do a big difference compared to the niche.
1:25 this whole section made me think of when Bob Belcher speaks to his veggies lol
Very wrong measurements, good for yt video, but man oh man… first inside that bookshelf you will have always a mess, just at least add to the wall (of the shelf) sound dumping foam or something, second best put it over the shelf , on top you will get more sounds dispersed by the distance …. Inside the shelf you are getting more noise by reflection and not by the direct sound wave, it’s hard the measure , it could be on some frequencies amplified together reflections plus direct wave
He is calculating the relative measurements, not absolute. Plus, he's going to keep it in the bookshelf anyway so why not test it in its actual environment
@@u1f98a " good for yt video" - if the measurement are relative, then also the conclusion is relative to the conditions of the measurement. If the conditions are " good for yt video" then the measurements are " good for yt video".
Only thing I am saying, and it was also mentioned by Alex, that almost closed enclosure of the shelf is most probably acting as a speaker enclosure itself.
Alex is having great videos, but this was below his average in my humble opinion. Funny? maybe. Inspirative for some, for sure. Take care.
Yeah, as an audio guy watching this video... this was rough. Couple things; the closed cell foam might help with vibration, but not as much sound. He should have lined the cabinet around the unit with some felt or cloth of some kind and that would have helped even more. The foam or speaker stands aren't a bad idea, but not what's going to make the biggest difference. Exactly as you say, most of what he's hearing is secondary reflections, which is why when he put the foam down, he said it got to be less "low rumbly" and more "scratchy" because the primary sound of the unit was absorbed by the dampeners and the secondary reflections are coming off the walls of the cabinet. Higher frequencies reflect off hard surfaces more easily, which is why for something with a higher pitched fan and clicky noises, treatment around the cabinet is best suited.
Stage one and two sound like popcorn being done in a microwave. And stage 3 also sounds like popcorn being done in a microwave, but those fancy ones!
I’m all about the fancy popcorn
Interesting and funny video. Keep up the good work. However, I should point out that the UGreen NAS models pull cool air from the rear (through the dust filter) and spits it out the front. It’s for this reason that it’s likely a bad idea to put it on a bookshelf.
Foam and isolation pads work, but I found that to reduce the overall noise put it on a lower shelf, preferably the bottom.
That music makes it even more fun xD
One additional way to reduce noise from that NAS: first of all, cover that cavity with some acoustic absorbing material and second, place a plane of material in front of that shelf, not necessary closing it, just a barrier hanging in front of the shelf to force sound to go not straight. And if everything inside lined with sound absorbing material the overall reduction will be much greater than can be expected from such a simple intervention.
As a coder and audio producer, it would have been good to see the EQ curve over the 3 samples. I bet you would have seen the low (rumble) dropping but perhaps the higher frequencies being accentuated.
then you out of all people will notice the significant low dropoff in sample 3, just by listening, no need for metering to hear the difference. but yeah I could have added the frequency response chart
The springs are working best when they have a specific load; they need to be compressed a bit. Try only one of those and also try without foam. You can also try to have one below and one above the NAS so the spring one the top is compressing the other.
🤣 Loved the hammer scene!
Try putting it on the floor inside a foam lined box with an inch or two air gap around the NAS for air circulation with openings to let the air in and out. Done.
i can’t just have a NAS sitting on the floor. Tripping hazard is worse than noise
you need to put thin rubber pads between the enclosure and cases of the hdds. Synology owner here.
I don't have a NAS server but this in a regular desktop pc is a must too. so.. THIS.
send me a NAS pls :)
I’ve moved my NAS to the garden shed. Haven’t heard a whine or thump from it since. 😂
Ideal. I don’t have a shed. Wish i did
all nvme nas lets gooo
coming soon
@@AZisk I actually went this route :P It was a bit expensive. But upside is that the NAS is super responsive now!
Good, at least I'm not the only one that has a NAS that bangs and carries on all day. Drives me crazy.
One day it will be all SSDs NAS, I hate my NAS for HDD noise.
bro
Tell me you've won the lottery without telling me you've won the lottery
This is a placebo effect mostly, dude. If you want to isolate the sound, put it in a cabinet facing away from you. You can also isolate the walls of the cabinet with foam so they absorb sound as much as possible.
can you connect your das to our router and connect to your das via ftp if your router supports attaching storage?
yes, that’s totally an option
I have the same issue. Will have to check out the “feet”
Perhaps lining the bookshelf surrounding surfaces with noise dampening material would help?
definitely would
Ultimate solution would be to keep loud hardware in closet behind wall, and feed cables peripherals through minimal hole, under 2m cables are realistic even for high transfer rate interfaces.
Result is close to silent operation. Even with objectively loud hardware
I think this partly has to do with the orientation of the drives. My enclosure has drives horizontally and they aren't pounding heads into the surface it sits on.
So I’m confused, why not switch to an SSD based NAS? No noise at all! You could use the new one from UGreen for a live system drive and then move your HD based unit to the back of the basement for extended, long term storage…
price mainly.
My solution was to stand the NAS balancing it with only three legs. So, setting rubber feet's like a triangle. That allows the NAS to vibrate freely.
I have my DAS for my home server (an old laptop with the right software) inside a drawer and it muffles the sound making a very pleasant sound.
Put the NAS in another, ideally cooler, room. Heat and noise issues solved
sure, let me just build another room real quick. 😂
#Azisk @AZisk were you using 7200rpm drives or just 5400rpm ones?
the later ones should be much quieter and while they are slower, they do wake up faster, because it doesn't take so long for them to spin up to their maximum rpm...
always 7200. I haven’t used 5400’s for decades
Hi Alex, can you edit your files directly on NAS? Is it slow compared to storage in your Mac? Planning to buy MacBook with 1TB storage the rest of storage instead upgrading storage via Apple I’m opting to build my NAS. What do you think?
id be really nervous editing right off the NAS unless I had 10Gig ethernet. it might be possible to edit HD single track video though. I really haven’t tried, but might try soon with another NAS
Def get some nvme nas. Interested to see how they function in terms of pricing and diminishing returns.
Nice books in the background
'Atomic habits'
'Make time'
you only need (enough) napkins (paper or cloth) at the bottom to isolate vibrations. optionally put a mask at the sides so you disable the echo chamber at the back.
And your nas will start jumping up and down once your workload hits an integer multiple of natural freq of the springs 😂
I reduced the noise by using a cardboard box, tossed the lid, lined it with sound dampening material and made som holes for the cables. Less noise and no difference in temperature.
Imagine being triggered by a NAS and not the TH-cam sign in the back...
Just kidding Alex - big fan of the channel, keep up the good work.
what sign? 😝
It wouldn’t have mattered much what you put in the space, just putting in foam reduces the echoes and reverberation of the seeks.
You get the same issue with “OEM Trash” cases, ie the Dell/HP/etc minitower PCs, again, caused by a bunch of open space and minimal drive dampening.
The choice of HDD's makes the biggest différance to the noise, problem is: You only find out after you buy the HDD, NAZ specific HDDs are noisy.
Alex, why decide to buy Ugreen? Have you considered other manufacturers?
There's also Acoustic Management Mode on the HDDs, assuming they have it.
the asus flashstor looks pretty great. The first version had an underpowered cpu, but the second version seems better.
5:15 ohh... nice quote, will use it to my wife
🤣
I wonder if you could cover the drives themselves in some thin foam or silicone/rubber that would reduce the vibration of metal inside the case 🤔 Sorta what mechanical keyboard enthusiasts do with those rubber bands in each switch. HDDs don't heat up much, right? I don't remember being concerned about that ever
sounds about the same really. Mine does this too.. I ended up putting it in a closet. I only have 2 drives in it.. I orded 2 more, sorta worried ..
I remember when it was called "a file server"
Hello, Alex. Some of the problem you are having comes
from the fact your enclosure is a plastic box. A plastic
box will reverberate like an acoustic instrument. If you
used a metal enclosure, you would still get "some" noise
but it would not be as pronounced. As it is, keeping the
box off the shelf is a good thing but the sides and top of
the box are still reverberating. Try applying soft foam to
the top, bottom and sides (1-1/2" to 2"). The styrofoam
is too solid to do a good job. Also, get the box Off of that
shelf. The shelving unit is acting like a speaker cabinet
and projecting all that noise out at you. 😁✌🖖
I have done the same thing, also I put my NAS inside a box. Now there is 0 noise sitting 4 meters away from it. I thought heat will be an issue, but it is not.
i’m worried about the longevity of the drives if they are enclosed without proper ventilation
I tried several materials. The best was bubble wrap.
You couldn't have chosen a worse case. I put my DS 923+ on rubber feet. On stone tiles, so that the fans at the back can ventilate freely. Everything is reflected in your case.
that’s what I got unfortunately
My NAS is in the basement with another server... I never heard any noise :-D
I demand some ASMR for future laptop performance reviews! Or coding stuff!
asmr coding channel - that would be something
If I grab a DAS it will be SSD only. I put my NAS in another room and that got rid of almost all the noise.
Yes, please look at some ssd only or compact style NAS.
switch to solid state or install the storage in another room.
expensive!
You could just buy some SATA SSD internal 2.5" drives and replace the HD in your NAS. You can get a 4TB SSD for around $200 or 8TB SSD for around $645 each.
Thanks for the interesting video. I think an ASMR channel would work well😅
one day :)
Dig a hole and pour a meter layer of cement - it will be quieter
Seems like bad NAS design. I have rubber feed on mine, never had the NAS bother me, not over my ESATA DAS with black drives in it. Maybe you have noisier black disks instead of red drives, or performance vs NAS disks.
You used the Wilhelm!!
😀 Or was that just you screaming?
I knew someone would pick that up!
Very interested
Maybe use 2.5 inch hdd, they are less noisy.
Just get yourself a paving slab and put the NAS on it with rubber feet - vibrations gone ...
I've never heard harddisks to have these kind of sounds. Something is very wrong there. I would open it a bit and run it without the outer box to see what the hell is happening. I think something moves inside and one internal box is knocking on another or something. Normally there should be only the sounds of the fans and the sounds of the HDDs, which don't freaking knock, LoL.
And if it is as I'm suspecting, adding a bit of internal foam/dampner (to not knock, aka to not make the sound in the first place) should be much more effective.
The real difficulty is the fact it is a plastic box.
It is reverberating like an acoustic instrument.
@@zapa1pnt Yup, that too.
I put mine in the garage 🙂
nice! I don’t have that option. wish i did
Maybe I like the hard drive and fan noises
nvme NAS when?
soon :)
Immediate like after anas joke 😂
😂😂😂 this guy ❤
A what now Alex :)
You speak too much for this kind of test 😂
Play around with anas rn
Please sahre your OF account 😂
😆
das good
first think, then do )) you can try put the same construct under the shelf or maybe even the building ))) like your channel, but this video ))) ROFL
for a moment i thought you were writing a scheme function
@@AZisk my english not so great to write the scheme. i think, after you use a piece foam, it's obviously, noise comes from inside the box, not outside
can I have your old das heha
What? It’s not about ugreen nas? What’s going on here 😮
yes, the NAS is a ugreen NAS.
Subbed at the Onlyfans part ;)
An Ass
first
I really like your videoes but can you please stop this dirty jokes "only fans" and those kind of things
if you really liked my videos, then you wouldn’t mind.
alex became sound engineer overnight lmao
overnight for 25 years
@@AZisk hehhehe