Just finished the DLC yesterday. Loved it but am sad it's over. I mainly used the Great Katana +25 with Lion's Claw, Keen Backblade +25 and Blasphemous Blade +10 to Nuke Bosses. Thanks for this Video Dom and indeed all the help you've given for the DLC for old gamers like me (57!), really appreciated it. Gidday from Australia.
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I'm 63..and am at the end boss in DLC..its the hardest to beat and I admit I'm struggling, but I will try, try and try again...until I defeat it. Finished base game Platinum. I'm also on ng+3 . Dom has helped me out no end on his things you've missed. Fantastic channel.
I think what I learned is the Messmer soldiers just don't know what their weapons are Messmer Soldier Spear - actually a greatspear Fire Knight Greatsword - actually a colossal sword Fire Knight Shortsword - actually a dagger Queelign's Greatsword - actually a heavy thrusting sword
Might be a call back to the black knight weapons in dark souls and how since they are taller to them the weapons seem smaller. The dagger and the thrusting sword I guess being exceptions. Yeah actually maybe they are just idiots. They were said in item descriptions to be high class born and probably aren't too accuainted with weapons.
TBH, it makes perfect sense if you accept that the weapon categories are an out-of-universe convenience and the names are in-universe. There's no such thing as a Heavy Thrusting Sword, or a Greatspear, Straight Sword is not the common name for any specific weapon type. Curved Swords obviously are not either. 'Daggers' 'whips' and 'hammers' are the only ones that are a thing outside the Souls games. Elden Ring groups weapons together based on basic descriptors rather than the kind of weapon they actually are.
Dom, you're completely wrong about the dancer set. It actually applies to every single Ash of War in the entire game with dance in the name. Including, somehow, Eochaid's Dancing Blade.
One thing about the Greatsword of Solitude is that it truly lives up to it's name because it's meant to be used solo. It has 89 physical dmg reduction, that's amazing for a sword, making it a descent 2handed weapon for guardcounter builds.
Hey Dom - I've been watching your videos for a couple years now (I think even before you had a re-brand if I remember correctly) and this video is the epitome of everything I love about your content. You clearly spend a lot of time researching and testing before posting, but don't come across as aloof or with a "better gamer than you" attitude. All of your videos bring joy and good vibes to the gaming community. As a lifelong gamer (though FromSoft newbie when ER launched), you've still managed to teach me new things and show off some new games that are on my future play list. Thanks for giving this your all - I look forward to the next video!
Your Super Thanks is incredibly generous! Thank you so much for your extra support 😁Yes before my re-brand I was Domtastic Gaming 😂 Very few people will remember that haha I'm glad you're enjoying the content! 😁
@@vexthegreat9167Honestly, this list is a bit wack because the Lizard GS is one of the best Carian Sovereignty options, if not the best one in the game, precisely because of its double hit cold buildup. Highest magic damage on a cold infusion too. And it's base strike/pierce.
Two slight corrections/comments about the video: The Sword of Damnation does holy damage because it was used to SEAL the Frenzied Flame and it, surprisingly enough, did not seep into it (perhaps the Hornsent's enchantments were strong enough to keep it "pure"). Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE if it did madness build-up. I'd also love if it was a light greatsword, especially seeing how Midra wields it, or if it at least had the Hollowslayer's moveset from DS3, but oh well. Secondly, there is another stance Ash of War, the overhead stance for Great Katana!
Yep. Midra’s Greatsword should have absolutely been Frenzy based. And yes, a Light GS would have been far better. I understand lore wise it was a holy Weapon sealing the Flame of Frenzy within Midra keeping him from becoming Lord of Frenzy. However, once he pulls the sword out of his head and uses the sword against you, the sword is literally enchanted and wreathed with Flame of Frenzy. I mean they could have at least given it a Frenzy buff or an L2/R1 prompt for the Holy WA and then L2/R2 for a Frenzy WA. Exactly how Unsheathe & Square off function. Or to simplify they could have just made it a Frenzy Light Greatsword and it would have been amazing. I mean, we already had 5 Greatswords that do Holy damage did we really need a sixth?
You are severely underestimating the Serpent Flail, a jump attack build with this weapon is extremely effective. The damage and stance damage on the explosions is extremely strong.
@@Nos_44he rated plenty of weapons higher in the list because of the build they could be used in. His whole intro where he said he wouldn’t do that? Yeah he did it anyway. He based things off of changing ashes and builds.
Nah he's just shitting on anything that isn't overpowered and encouraging more people to use the same few weapons. Like his thoughts about the perfume bottle. I'm not gonna use the frenzied one on a none madness build cause it doesn't fit my build and free fire damage is free fire damage. His mindset is awful. The horned warrior curved great sword is the coolest looking curved great sword in the game. That's reason enough to use it
Not building for these weapons seems like an unfair way to rank. Some of these weapons’ potential is only realized with a dedicated build, like the dancing blades of ranah. Without a dedicated build, only the weapons with high base damage and multiple scalings would rank high. You should be ranking how well weapons can perform in a practical situation
That's the big issue, yeah. Base buildless performance is never relevant... But it's even less representative at high levels like this, because if you're at level 500+, you probably have every talisman and can definitely use any buff in the game, including always having the option for Golden Vow. If anything, max level actively reduces the limitations of the lower base AR weapons because of sheer raw damage and the ability to have 99 in vigor, mind, and endurance. Which naturally also means midrolling in heavy armor and being able to just slap 101+ poise on any build trivially. Cap actually addresses every downside of weapons like Bud Poleblade, Flowerstone Gavel, Gazing Finger, you name it.
@@timbererickson2554 early into the list he is discounting weapons entirely because they are "niche", but by the end he's gobbling Milady's nuts even though in his own words, Wing Stance "is primarily the only reason to use this weapon, and you don't really need any other reason; just keep mashing L2R2"
He's got freyas great sword in like the bottom 10, a weapon I bullied the final boss of the dlc with and I'm not very good. He's got smithscript spear like 40 spots higher because it's fun to kill trash mobs on horse back. I'd struggle to get past Margit with that spear. Heck the cleanrot knight duo would be a struggle with it. I like doms roundtable but this list is very subjective. Should be all 80 dlc weapons ranked by how much fun he has playing with them
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There is 1 single redeeming thing about he blood fork and it isn't even to do with the weapon, it's that Zullie the witch once pointed out the the fiends are ID'd as "ork" in the game files, and the ones with the fork are ID'd "OrkFork"
Good editing , great delivery, and excellent lore input. The time it takes to make these videos is lost on most people, but don’t think that about everyone. Some of us realize the time and effort a quality video takes. I’d like to give more, but I can’t at the moment. You do deserve it though!
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Honestly, I think the idea of testing with only raw stats and no talismans or armor bonuses completely skews this list in the wrong direction. That is not a realistic context under any circumstances, because a level cap build would have even more access to the flexibility of any build at any moment than a meta level 150 setup that likely rushed to one specific build. For instance, being able to run mid roll with >101 poise makes a lot of low hyper armor ashes or war extremely viable. Such as the Twinaxes, which benefit immensely from the multihit damage talismans AND have an ash of war that procs Godskin Swaddling Cloth twice per use because of its high motion value. Or the Poleblade of the Bud, which can get respectable poise to counter its innate weakness. Or the Devonia's Hammer ash, where the lingering hitbox actually seems to be able to surpass the smith anvil's total AoW damage and handily outdamages the Ordovis version with the Crucible set. Lizard Greatsword being so low is just plain wrong when Carian Sovereignty exists and has no better pairing, especially at high stats where the raw magic damage can overcome flat defenses on the double tongue hit, even using Cold infusion. Dancing Blade of Ranah can be used with 99 Vig/End/Dex for monstrous DPS output without the usual downsides of running a glass cannon build (i.e., no vigor and endurance points to spare on a RL 150 dex build). And things like Gazing Finger or Flowerstone Gavel become obscenely strong because you can then meet every stat requirement without any compromise. Basically, without building to optimize each weapon, you're just ranking raw theoretical AR on the base hit and the ash of war, which is not very representative of any weapon on any build at any point. I think more thorough testing is needed, using optimized builds for every weapon, if you really want to get a clear picture of endgame potential with a fair playing field.
@@fawkesandhoundit wouldn’t take a whole lot longer, it’s simply seeing things that make a build work. poison perfume bottle does poison buildup? it can be buffed with a talisman, headpiece, and an offhand weapon. twinaxes have a multihit ash? use the talismans that boost that. Pata and flower stone gavel do pierce damage, use the spear talisman- this stuff is really basic for this game especially considering it’s been out for like three years now
Yeah, using no talismans and specific armor makes absolutely no sense. For instance, talismans and armor can make a double sepuku curved sword build arguably the most op build in the game. Not to mention buffs stack with each other, so they can be insanely op with fast hitting weapons
Yeah, it's kind of wild that someone would think judging all of the weapons based on how they perform in a scenario as far away from the circumstances in which they will be used as possible. Like...everything with a stance does 50% more damage than he's accounting for with *one* talisman.
Putting radahns greatsword on 8th place is crazy, these two weapons (wich are the same AND a reskin of an already existing weapon) have to be under the worst weapons in the whole game
Mate looking at all the comments and watching the vid, I genuinely believe you’re taking the piss with this one. There is no way you can be serious about this video ranking with how much information is missing.
I think you're misunderstanding the Greatsword of Damnation. first of all, it doesn't do madness build up because it's the very thing that was keeping Midra's madness in check. it doesn't do madness when he uses it, either, because it wouldn't make any sense. secondly, have you tried using it against NPCs? you never once mentioned it, but the AoW when used against NPCs is a brutal grab attack that deals high damage and can easily stunlock them. considering how many NPC fights the DLC has, this is pretty useful. plus, it has the claymore moveset, which is already great, especially in PVP, so combined with the skill this weapon is a PVP beast (even if that's not what this list is about.
lorewise it makes sense, but it is still sad, how lackluster the selection of frenzied weapons are. That is why this weapon should have been a frenzied weapon. He most likely means it that way.
If he's ranking the dancer swords low because it requires iron jar, he ranked falx high, which I agree with, but on anything other than malenia and fire giant they are also gonna need iron jar. On bosses that stand still for a bit like mogh or Godfrey, you can kill them in seconds with the dancer swords without even using iron jar
I dont think people realise how bad of a list this is. The fact that he is max level reaaly sqews the ranking toward dual and triple scaling weapons. So for lvl 150 players this list is obsolete. The fact that he doesnt use talismans also really nerfs some weapons like fast hitting weapons not getting rotten winged sword insignia, or big bonks getting axe talisman and such. Use other guides than this one if you are under lvl 300😂
PVP meta level 150 is dumb, but the main issue is actually that this list is incorrect even for high level builds. For instance, the Lizard GS is probably the top pick for Cold and Magic infuses, so it's the ideal Carian Sovereignty weapon. Being overleveled only helps Dancing Blade of Ranah because you can have 99 Vigor, Mind, and Endurance, or at least softcaps at 60. Messmer Soldier Axe is literally just an upgrade to the previous best standard axe in the game, Warped Axe, with its ridiculous status infusions. And so on. Level cap basically just means every smithing stone weapon's best infuse is either quality or specific elements/statuses depending on the encounter and weapon. It's also the ideal use case for Gazing Finger or Flowerstone Gavel.
Absolutely agree with you. Some of these make absolutely no sense. Why is he comparing somber weapons to normal IF they were infused if he doesn't compare infusions, talismans, or any kind of buffs
You wildly underrate the Claws of Night. The bleed buildup is superior to every weapon aside from pre-nerf Rivers of Blood and the Bloodfiend Arm, and it's got the latter beat by a wide margin due to its range. Plus, the claw moveset is among the fastest in the game. Dropping a weapon for *"only"* being good at inflicting bleed when ~99% of the enemies in the game are susceptible to it is baffling.
By the way, I am not a PvP player at all, and have no firsthand experience with this, but from reading the comments, this weapon is now being treated by the PvP community the same way pre-nerf Rivers was.
Great weapon but its not one of best at bleed build up simply because its not possible to use blood greases or bloodflame blade with it. Also if you use it with both hands as intended, its considered powerstancing and status buildup was nerfed by 40 percent.
@@sclafantasy fine, best *native* bleed-up. Also, while I don't know the numbers, I'm pretty sure that each individual projectile on scattershot throw has its own buildup, so against bigger enemies, which can be hit with the full salvo, it builds much faster. (someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong)
The intro of this video disparages the creators who make bad tier lists, and then you made possibly one of the worst ones in terms or every single aspect except for base damage at max lvl, possibly the most boring niche. And all while claiming that it is the best tier list. This tier list may actually be much, Much worse than the ones from content slaves, truly a feat actually.
@DomsRoundtable THANK YOU! so much for this video! Watching it has given me inspiration enough to try a few weapons I had no interest in at all and I will get at least another 50+ hours before completing the DLC. I watched the entire video and it was 100% worth it. I only just found your channel when the DLC came out and watched the "Do These Things First" video and have been hooked ever since. If I can make a suggestion for future videos maybe make one about the top 50 weapons in both the base game and DLC or the top 2 to 5 weapons for each stat or stat combos? Or maybe a video about which weapons should be fully upgraded to +25 and +10 since you can only get 10 +25 weapons and 8 +10 weapons per playthrough. Also you are 100% right about BLOODBORNE! That game is one of the best ever made and it NEEDS a REMAKE and a SEQUEL! Thanks Again and keep up the amazing work
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Just a helpful correction, Rellana's cameo the stance boosting talisman also works on the sword of night and flame, square off ash for straight swords, overhead stance for the great katana, and unsheath for regular katanas, it does boost all the stance skills where you hold LT or L2 then choose the follow up, although not the Death's poker or ghostflame call ash sadly since you can't hold down the initial input and delay it so the buff activates.
You missed the whole point of the sunflower is a colossal with max poise damage with the weight of a Zweigh.... weapon weight is actually relevant when comparing bonk sticks
@@DomsRoundtable Noice! Hope both things happen - pc port and the things you missed series of that. Love your commentaries (especially sharing the same frustrations with bosses/areas) - even after finishing Shadow of the Erdtree, I still watch them, and relive them through your playthroughs. 🙏
@@CuddleBuddee stance damage? You know they’re paired curved swords, right? They’re about quick attacks and utilizing multi-hit tier buff multipliers and the items that innately buff the swords into insane damage numbers. If you’re used to face-tanking every enemy hit, then yeah, I could see why you don’t like them.
Note about Devonias Hammer. Yes it does less damage and stance damage than Ordovis BUT unlike Ordovis and Siluria, the aow is buffed by 17% with the Crucible set just like the incants. So the damage ends up way higher as that stacks with shard of alexander. This also applies to Aspect of the Crucible Wings aow too. So of built into a crucible build Devonias will deal almost 1.5k more damage than Ordovis
Thanks for your content. It's clear that you love Elden Ring and that you put a lot of time into your videos. That said, there are so many weapons that it's pretty clear that you haven't had the chance to think about really building into every single weapon to optimize each one, and that's ok! The barbed staff spear for example is exceptional for low fp builds. It has incredible reach, an amazing moveset (especially charged r2s) with access to piercing and sweeping attacks and it does more stance damage than most other weapons in it's class. If you are running a faith/strength or faith/dex build focused on melee combat, you can buff it up with the twohanded talisman and spear talisman and dagger talisman/blades of mercy and just stunlock 8 out of the 11 bosses in the dlc for the entire fight without ever taking a single hit while you rack up crit after crit. It's legitimately bananas how good it is for physical combat. Yes, the AoW is bad but if you are a faith main, you can easily throw in incants for ranged options so the downside just isn't that big a deal. This has become one of my top 5 dlc weapons not because of the Ash, but in spite of it. If you define good as "press L2 to win" i can see where it would be D tier but there is so much more to what makes a great weapon good/fun to play and not every build needs to be all about ash spam. Again, not knocking you and I mean no disrespect, it's great to hear others perspectives, just using that one example to encourage you to think about how you could make each weapon the best version of itself before you compare them and talk about their strengths and weaknesses. Cheers!
@@-thebatman- Then did exactly the opposite on multiple weapons because he felt like it. Saying one thing and doing the other invalidates a whole ass ranking
A notable correction I think might be worth including- The Dancers Set dropped by Ranah increases the damage by TEN PERCENT for several ashes of war including WATERFOWL DANCE and SWORD DANCE as well as heavy attacks on weapons like the Nox Flowing Sword. It is an extremely effective and useful armor set and worth beating the boss even if you don’t like her unique weapon.
You have wildly unrated the perfume bottles. Even after the nerf that are so much easier to use for big damage than any melee weapon. The R1 damage is good and very fast. And lightning bottle is still better than frost imo.
I don’t know why I hadn’t “two-handed/split” perfume bottles before today, but hot damn does it transform them. Edit: He started talking about PvP when he got to the top 20 (maybe sooner but I didn’t notice and must’ve glazed over it in the intro), so I’m assuming the high rank is entirely based on PvP. Doesn’t track for a ranking list, but evidently that’s what’s up I think.
Ranking everything at max level and not 150 or 200 makes zero sense. Those are the metas and it doesn't matter if a quad scaling weapon does well at max.
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"I rank the weapons without buffs, crutches, builds etc - just weapon vs weapon." Literally one weapon later, with the red bear claw: "Well, put a a shitton of buffs on the beast claw and it's better! 🤓" Bro, what are we actually doing here? With how you called out other creators in the beginning you set the bar very high. Then constantly contradicting yourself and making some.. questionable.. rankings. This whole video seems like what you deemed others - a waste of time, no offense, I'm out
I may be a PvP level 150 sweaty ass Tryhard. But... seeing the Death Knight's Twin Axes and the Horned Curved GS so low really hurts my soul... Past level 200 youre basically playing a different game it feels like. Everything with Quality or 3 scalings becomes insanely broken while Single or Barely Double scaling weapons fall off a cliff.
You can do follow up attacks with the horned warrior's curved great sword, which makes it pretty good in my opinion. The follow up attacks after multiple inputs also seem to fix the range problem as they appear the have more range
I think the carian sorcery sword has the potential to shine with a sword and board sorcerer build so you can access blocking, parrying, guard counters, hide pokes and spells all without switching weapons.
That's how I feel. I use it with a great shield and the carian sorceries and it's nice basically using gavel as a guard counter. It's not the best catalyst but it's not supposed to be, it's mean to provide more flexibility to like a real carian night build
I like it with the main gauche dagger since you can use the dagger’s larger parry window, make use of the power stancing thrusting sword move set, and cast sorceries 😅
I don't even view it as a casting tool, because obviously it loses out to a Staff. I view it as a thrusting sword that can basically hold up to 10 or so ashes of war at the same time. With different damage types, statuses and uses. Sure you could use a staff, sure you could use a sword, but this is the ultimate hybrid for the "i don't change my fking equiptment" - people
This is my first video of yours that I have watched and the detail and the amount of effort and work you put into this video please me I immediately subscribed and liked and watched all the way through love your content keep it up man I appreciate you✊🏽….also loved the goofy bit
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“Fire knights great sword can be farmed farmed from any Fire knight who carries it, shouldn’t take you long” Me after spending 7 hrs grinding it with no results
Go to the 7th floor grace, right outside the door across the small bridge is a Knight who carries it. Use the silver scarab, anything that raises your arcane, use a silver fowl claw, and use the weapon skill on the Grafted Sword. Got 3 or 4 of them while farming the helmet
Sucks how luck can work, took me about half an hour but probably spent over an hour in total farming the armour but was totally worth it. Good luck, you will get it.
So crazy how everyone has different favourite weapons. Whirlwind ash of war with Alexander and kick buffs obliterates pretty much all enemies, quickly. Great hyper armour, damage and instant stance breaks. It’s my go-to when I feel the need for easy mode.
there are quite a few mistakes. For example the dancing blades. I am not a fan of this weapon, but the DPS of the weapon art is absolutely insane. One of the highest in the game. The same can be said about the flail, the damage of the explosions is crazy.
This list is like if you ranked all the guns in call of duty but you’re not allowed to use attachments but worse since you’re at max level which nobody will get to without cheating.
To clarify, you can use renallas Cameo on unsheath, square off, sword of night and flame, moonveil, and overhead stance for great katana. Not just wing stance and rellannas twin greatswords
You can tell he has his favorites and is biased on a few of these, questionable at best. Combine that with him basically jerking himself in his "intro" about how great he is automatically killed any interest i had in any other video he has 🤷🏻♂️
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I had a lot of success with the Smithscript Axe. I put Savage Lion Claw along with a cold affinity and it felt pretty good to use. Its not the best but can be serviceable. I also didn't know the knights would remount their horses if knocked off. That was neat.
Is madness good in pve now, like it can effect almost everything now? It was usually only good for invaders and the one thing Frenzy inc's had was the fire and dmg.
@@CarolusFlexit isn't as great as it could be, but madness is still an amazing build, as it still does fire damage even when something is immune to madness
I'm like 5 points in and bro really shouldn't be throwing shade at other tier list makers if you think whips are a bad weapon class and weapons that only scale off one stat are bad. Not to mention just being incorrect about the dancer clothes. Big oof.
By far I have binged your videos ever since discovering your channel in my search for dlc secrets. I've watched this one specifically from start to finish and I am gladly informed and entertained :D
I did a whole play through with the Fire knight's Greatsword, and it felt great. There's multiple armor pieces that buff fire knight skills or Messmer incants depending on which way you want to lean. I'm surprised you didn't point out that when buffed with fire it gains extra damage like the holy bonus on the black steel greathammer. Flame Skewer and Flame Spear are amazing to switch back and forth with a faith build and flame art affinity.
Glad there is finally a weapon ranker on youtube giving respect to Dane's Footwork. I don't think I have seen anyone else mention it. Guess you were gonna mention it no matter what, since you are ranking every single weapon, but good to see you put it at a decent spot. I think it is an underrated weapon.
Thanks for the vid Dom. I learned a few things regarding some of these weapons, so I appreciate the time you poured into this. I may not agree with the entire video like some, but the great thing about it is that it is sparking conversation as to why or why not this or that is better. People have to remember that these videos from our favorite guys and gals are a mixture of facts and opinions. Take it for what you can get from it.
I... have issues with this list. First of all, the majority of playerbase plays this game in pre-200 level range. 150-170 being the golden standard. So saying that weapon gets outclassed at 250 is... uhm... whatever, to be honest. It means nothing. Second, in the intro, you literally said yourself that we are comparing these weapons with the same equipment. And yet your reason for Dane > Dryleaf is literally just "well, there's equipment that can buff it...". Then why did that disclaimer exist? Let's either compare all weapons with their optimal equipment, or none of them. Finally, there's more to weapons than just damage numbers. If you tried, for example, Death Knight's Twin Axes ash on Malenia, you wouldn't look down on it like that. Or Sword of Damnation on NPC invaders. Barbed Staff-Spear gives bleed to builds that don't necessarily have it innately (aka bleed on a faith weapon) with an insanely cheap holy ranged option to melt the likes of Radaan... Poisoned Hand does more than just apply poison, its charged R2 breaks enemies insanely fast. And how is it lower than Madding one if you literally say later that this list is about "everyday use", and Madness does nothing on 90% of the enemies in game, while poison still does at least something? I still generally agree with the top-10 though, so... meh...
Dom come on. Your missing a few times here. I know its opinion but flowerstone gavel basically a smaller rusted anchor! Its a hammer which makes it good already. And it only does pierce damage. Pierce damage is the best damage in the game. No way its 20th worst. Also in what world is maddening hand better than poisoning hand for "everyday pve" as you stated this list is.
Yeah, he keeps mentioning madness being good, but its like one of the worst status effects for pve. With deadly poison hand, you would proc not only poison on the enemy, but also the buffs from both the helmet and the talisman, then you could switch to another weapon or something
Pata seems like a bit of a harsh write-off in my opinion. It's got the highest range of the fist weapons, scales with pierce damage so you get the Spear Talisman bonus, and it doubles as a straight sword???
I wouldn't say strike damage is the best damage in the game, especially not better than pierce. Strike damage is good if the enemies you're worries about are crystallians and skeletons. But if you want good damage vs the tough enemies pierce is most of the time better
@@justhair17 especially in this game because most of your damage openings are while a boss is winding up an attack. But thrusting damage has always been the best
Watched the whole thing. Another banger! Because of your weapon review videos, I've been rocking the Fire Knight Great sword in power stance and it is by far my favorite build and playstyle. I haven't thought about cold infusion on it yet. Def going to check that out. Thanks again.
A blood pata with endure, i dont know im mowing down pretty much everything. Greay job on the video. Always love how everyone can have a different experience.
Don’t sleep on the lizard greatsword in PvP, has claymore moveset and can roll catch even further because of projectile that comes out with the R2. Love the vid Dom, but I think some weapons you mentioned are actually pretty great (or hilarious) in PvP
I do think that the Greatsword of Radahn (Light) should be dead last. It is literally the exact same weapon as the Lord version just with a much worse Ash of War, making it completely obsolete since you get jt from the same Remembrance. There is literally not a single reason to even consider using it which is probably the biggest sin a weapon can commit, it might aswell not exist in the first place. Such a shame that the weapon you get from the hardest and flashiest boss in all Fromsoft games falls flat as one of the most mediocre and uninteresting weapons. Wish jt was more or maybe a unique Double Curved Greatsword. Great video man keep it up!
Agreed. Even the other variation should be in the bottom half, as its the inferior version of Starscourge GS, which has better dmg and a better AoW. If he rated some weapons lower due to them being redundant, should have done the same with these weapons
@@justhair17 Absolutely. When the reason for 50% of placements is that there are better options in the base game it makes no sense to give up on that on the most obvious example of them all.
I can't even begin to imagine how how it took you to create this video, but I really commend you for the great content. Pleased to see some of my favourites towards the top end of the list (Backhand Blade and Bloodfiend's Arm), as well as other weapons I love like The Greatsword of Solitude and Sword Lance get some love!
The firespark perfume bottle is better than the frenzied flame bottle for certain builds. I did the DLC with a DEX/INT build (60/60) with minimal STR (16). While I know AR isnt everything, I'm going to use it to demonstrate my point. At STR(16)/DEX(60)/INT(60)/FAI(12)/ARC(10), the firespark perfume bottle +25 has an AR of 512, not bad for a build that previously struggled to get out solid fire damage. With the same stats, the Frenzy Flame Perfume Bottle has an AR of 462 which is a pretty big difference. Yes the frenzy flame bottle has madness buildup which is a nice bonus, but the majority of PVE enemies are immune to the status or too weak to live enough hits for it to matter. The firespark and frenzy flame perfume bottles are tailored to different builds.
Question: Dom put it as the highest one the list of the Perfume btls., specifically calling out the ability to “finally have a good madness buildup weapon.” I thought madness was useless in PvE. Have I been doing it wrong? What enemies aren’t immune to madness? (Excluding the rare NPC invader)
@lunarbound9975 Its pretty rare for a PVE enemy to be weak to madness. All of the enemies that are weak to it are player-esque. Most NPC invasions/ bosses are susceptible (with a few exceptions like Vyke). Silver tears disguised as humans, these humanoid enemies in mountain tops of the giants called flame guardians, and that's it. So it let's you one shot Gideon and Fias champions along with some other NPC bosses but that's about it. The only status that's worse in PVE is deathblight, since it affects the same enemies but all of the NPC bosses have 999 resistance to it. It's a nice bonus to have, since it has its uses, but I wouldn't want to sacrifice really any AR for it.
Yeah, I don't get it. Even with his pointless "everything at 99" build, frenzyflame beats firespark by only 51 AR. Assuming you start as Wretch and comparing to just firespark with 80dex, you need 132 extra levels for frenzyflame just to catch up damage-wise.
That’s what happens when you rank things at max level without building into them. Such an L of a video because nobody is getting to max level without cheating and everyone is gonna at least partially build into there weapons
Thank you for this comprehensive and painstaking review of the 80 DLC weapons. Really appreciate the approach to have a Max rune lvl character wielding the weapons at their highest upgrade - that provides a unique showcase allowing for a weapon to proves its merit from its own standing. Too often do you see build guides focus on an obnoxiously tedious combo of buffs (Vow, Howl, Bleed Prod, Poisson, Flask, etc) in order to make a build broken/viable. The genius of this review is in its simplicity and yet it truly was a investment to make it happen. Your banter and commentary are always welcome company. Thank you for the great contribution as always! 👻
Well... My weapons were mostly in 20-30 segment, Apart from the Great Katana. Really nice you did want to make a full video about it, I'm saving some knowlegde for NG+
Just finished the DLC yesterday. Loved it but am sad it's over. I mainly used the Great Katana +25 with Lion's Claw, Keen Backblade +25 and Blasphemous Blade +10 to Nuke Bosses. Thanks for this Video Dom and indeed all the help you've given for the DLC for old gamers like me (57!), really appreciated it. Gidday from Australia.
You sir are an incredible person! Thank you so much for your extra support! Your build sounds awesome 👌 and I'm glad you've been enjoying the content! 😁
Dude no way I'm 17 and still haven't beaten it you sir are a gaming inspiration seriously
Theres a STAAARRR MAAAAAN...
I can second this sentiment. You got me thru the OG Game and the DLC. (42 middle aged gamer lol)
I'm 63..and am at the end boss in DLC..its the hardest to beat and I admit I'm struggling, but I will try, try and try again...until I defeat it.
Finished base game Platinum. I'm also on ng+3 .
Dom has helped me out no end on his things you've missed. Fantastic channel.
I think what I learned is the Messmer soldiers just don't know what their weapons are
Messmer Soldier Spear - actually a greatspear
Fire Knight Greatsword - actually a colossal sword
Fire Knight Shortsword - actually a dagger
Queelign's Greatsword - actually a heavy thrusting sword
Might be a call back to the black knight weapons in dark souls and how since they are taller to them the weapons seem smaller.
The dagger and the thrusting sword I guess being exceptions. Yeah actually maybe they are just idiots. They were said in item descriptions to be high class born and probably aren't too accuainted with weapons.
Most of messmer's soldiers are drunk savages with little training. Makes sense that they don't know the specifics of the weapons they are using.
in fairness Queelign's GS has a lore reason, it was a greatsword he morphed into a thrusting weapon to copy the Impaler himself
TBH, it makes perfect sense if you accept that the weapon categories are an out-of-universe convenience and the names are in-universe. There's no such thing as a Heavy Thrusting Sword, or a Greatspear, Straight Sword is not the common name for any specific weapon type. Curved Swords obviously are not either. 'Daggers' 'whips' and 'hammers' are the only ones that are a thing outside the Souls games. Elden Ring groups weapons together based on basic descriptors rather than the kind of weapon they actually are.
Dom, you're completely wrong about the dancer set. It actually applies to every single Ash of War in the entire game with dance in the name. Including, somehow, Eochaid's Dancing Blade.
The dancing curved swords are really good too you can melt some base game bosses with it, especially placidusax and EB
Dancing blades are amazing. Use endure then switch to it
@@adamstevens3661 oh for sure
@@adamstevens3661they are bad.
One thing about the Greatsword of Solitude is that it truly lives up to it's name because it's meant to be used solo.
It has 89 physical dmg reduction, that's amazing for a sword, making it a descent 2handed weapon for guardcounter builds.
Hey Dom - I've been watching your videos for a couple years now (I think even before you had a re-brand if I remember correctly) and this video is the epitome of everything I love about your content. You clearly spend a lot of time researching and testing before posting, but don't come across as aloof or with a "better gamer than you" attitude. All of your videos bring joy and good vibes to the gaming community. As a lifelong gamer (though FromSoft newbie when ER launched), you've still managed to teach me new things and show off some new games that are on my future play list. Thanks for giving this your all - I look forward to the next video!
Your Super Thanks is incredibly generous! Thank you so much for your extra support 😁Yes before my re-brand I was Domtastic Gaming 😂 Very few people will remember that haha I'm glad you're enjoying the content! 😁
Btw rellanas cameo works with square off/unsheath/overhead stance, not just wing stance and rellanas swords
And Sword Of Night And Flame
@@JakeTheBrightLord and transient moonlight
It makes moonveil incredibly powerful too.
@@Philpot1992 Transciend Moonlight is the aow of Moonveil
also witching hour slash
“That’s my son, that’s my boy! 😭” (me seeing the Lizard Greatsword ranking)🦎
Love the HP reference 😅
@@DomsRoundtable 😂
Cedric diggory was a good lad
@@DomsRoundtable I use the projectiles to proc frost using Carian Sovereignty. Which GS do you suggest I drop it for?
@@vexthegreat9167Honestly, this list is a bit wack because the Lizard GS is one of the best Carian Sovereignty options, if not the best one in the game, precisely because of its double hit cold buildup. Highest magic damage on a cold infusion too. And it's base strike/pierce.
Two slight corrections/comments about the video:
The Sword of Damnation does holy damage because it was used to SEAL the Frenzied Flame and it, surprisingly enough, did not seep into it (perhaps the Hornsent's enchantments were strong enough to keep it "pure"). Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE if it did madness build-up. I'd also love if it was a light greatsword, especially seeing how Midra wields it, or if it at least had the Hollowslayer's moveset from DS3, but oh well.
Secondly, there is another stance Ash of War, the overhead stance for Great Katana!
Yep. Midra’s Greatsword should have absolutely been Frenzy based. And yes, a Light GS would have been far better. I understand lore wise it was a holy Weapon sealing the Flame of Frenzy within Midra keeping him from becoming Lord of Frenzy.
However, once he pulls the sword out of his head and uses the sword against you, the sword is literally enchanted and wreathed with Flame of Frenzy. I mean they could have at least given it a Frenzy buff or an L2/R1 prompt for the Holy WA and then L2/R2 for a Frenzy WA. Exactly how Unsheathe & Square off function. Or to simplify they could have just made it a Frenzy Light Greatsword and it would have been amazing.
I mean, we already had 5 Greatswords that do Holy damage did we really need a sixth?
@@skipjacks85not even Midra builds up madness on us with the sword unless it is a buffed attack. It was not enchanted by the frenzied flame.
You are severely underestimating the Serpent Flail, a jump attack build with this weapon is extremely effective. The damage and stance damage on the explosions is extremely strong.
Any weapon can be good when your build focuses on it, he’s just rating the weapon without a build around it
@@Nos_44he rated plenty of weapons higher in the list because of the build they could be used in. His whole intro where he said he wouldn’t do that? Yeah he did it anyway. He based things off of changing ashes and builds.
@@Nos_44
He says one thing, changes his mind on the next weapon, then switches back. The source for the weapons performance: "I made it tf up"
Nah he's just shitting on anything that isn't overpowered and encouraging more people to use the same few weapons. Like his thoughts about the perfume bottle. I'm not gonna use the frenzied one on a none madness build cause it doesn't fit my build and free fire damage is free fire damage. His mindset is awful. The horned warrior curved great sword is the coolest looking curved great sword in the game. That's reason enough to use it
Not building for these weapons seems like an unfair way to rank. Some of these weapons’ potential is only realized with a dedicated build, like the dancing blades of ranah. Without a dedicated build, only the weapons with high base damage and multiple scalings would rank high. You should be ranking how well weapons can perform in a practical situation
That's the big issue, yeah. Base buildless performance is never relevant... But it's even less representative at high levels like this, because if you're at level 500+, you probably have every talisman and can definitely use any buff in the game, including always having the option for Golden Vow. If anything, max level actively reduces the limitations of the lower base AR weapons because of sheer raw damage and the ability to have 99 in vigor, mind, and endurance. Which naturally also means midrolling in heavy armor and being able to just slap 101+ poise on any build trivially. Cap actually addresses every downside of weapons like Bud Poleblade, Flowerstone Gavel, Gazing Finger, you name it.
So far I'm ranking this dlc weapon list at the bottom of dlc weapon list videos
you ain't lyin'
some of the placements make me question the uploader's game knowledge
Yea some of the reasoning for these tiers make no sense
@@timbererickson2554 early into the list he is discounting weapons entirely because they are "niche", but by the end he's gobbling Milady's nuts even though in his own words, Wing Stance "is primarily the only reason to use this weapon, and you don't really need any other reason; just keep mashing L2R2"
How do you properly rank weapons in the pve part of the game when a sonic the hedgehog build is viable. It's just his opinion man.
He's got freyas great sword in like the bottom 10, a weapon I bullied the final boss of the dlc with and I'm not very good. He's got smithscript spear like 40 spots higher because it's fun to kill trash mobs on horse back. I'd struggle to get past Margit with that spear. Heck the cleanrot knight duo would be a struggle with it. I like doms roundtable but this list is very subjective. Should be all 80 dlc weapons ranked by how much fun he has playing with them
That definitely deserves a super like, buddy. Great job! Now I’ve got several new weapons I wanna give a try!
Thank you so much for your Super Thanks! Your extra generosity is hugely appreciated! 😁 There are still so many weapons I want to do a full playthrough of!
There is 1 single redeeming thing about he blood fork and it isn't even to do with the weapon, it's that Zullie the witch once pointed out the the fiends are ID'd as "ork" in the game files, and the ones with the fork are ID'd "OrkFork"
Can I get a WAAAAGH
Kek
That is THE BEST!
Throw all those dlc weapons in the trashwhere they belong and then grab miyazaki and do the same to him
@@CrimsonBladezz i know right and after that ill grab you and throw you to.
Good editing , great delivery, and excellent lore input. The time it takes to make these videos is lost on most people, but don’t think that about everyone. Some of us realize the time and effort a quality video takes. I’d like to give more, but I can’t at the moment. You do deserve it though!
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Honestly, I think the idea of testing with only raw stats and no talismans or armor bonuses completely skews this list in the wrong direction. That is not a realistic context under any circumstances, because a level cap build would have even more access to the flexibility of any build at any moment than a meta level 150 setup that likely rushed to one specific build.
For instance, being able to run mid roll with >101 poise makes a lot of low hyper armor ashes or war extremely viable. Such as the Twinaxes, which benefit immensely from the multihit damage talismans AND have an ash of war that procs Godskin Swaddling Cloth twice per use because of its high motion value. Or the Poleblade of the Bud, which can get respectable poise to counter its innate weakness. Or the Devonia's Hammer ash, where the lingering hitbox actually seems to be able to surpass the smith anvil's total AoW damage and handily outdamages the Ordovis version with the Crucible set. Lizard Greatsword being so low is just plain wrong when Carian Sovereignty exists and has no better pairing, especially at high stats where the raw magic damage can overcome flat defenses on the double tongue hit, even using Cold infusion. Dancing Blade of Ranah can be used with 99 Vig/End/Dex for monstrous DPS output without the usual downsides of running a glass cannon build (i.e., no vigor and endurance points to spare on a RL 150 dex build). And things like Gazing Finger or Flowerstone Gavel become obscenely strong because you can then meet every stat requirement without any compromise.
Basically, without building to optimize each weapon, you're just ranking raw theoretical AR on the base hit and the ash of war, which is not very representative of any weapon on any build at any point. I think more thorough testing is needed, using optimized builds for every weapon, if you really want to get a clear picture of endgame potential with a fair playing field.
Yeah but that’s like a 6 hour video that would take 3 months to produce.
@@fawkesandhoundit wouldn’t take a whole lot longer, it’s simply seeing things that make a build work. poison perfume bottle does poison buildup? it can be buffed with a talisman, headpiece, and an offhand weapon. twinaxes have a multihit ash? use the talismans that boost that. Pata and flower stone gavel do pierce damage, use the spear talisman- this stuff is really basic for this game especially considering it’s been out for like three years now
Honestly this list doesn't make much sense
Yeah, using no talismans and specific armor makes absolutely no sense. For instance, talismans and armor can make a double sepuku curved sword build arguably the most op build in the game. Not to mention buffs stack with each other, so they can be insanely op with fast hitting weapons
Yeah, it's kind of wild that someone would think judging all of the weapons based on how they perform in a scenario as far away from the circumstances in which they will be used as possible. Like...everything with a stance does 50% more damage than he's accounting for with *one* talisman.
Lmao you’re trying so hard to make the weapons look bad. Every clip is like the absolute worst matchup/display of the weapon.
Putting radahns greatsword on 8th place is crazy, these two weapons (wich are the same AND a reskin of an already existing weapon) have to be under the worst weapons in the whole game
I definitely don't agree with all of it, but this must have taken a shit ton of work and I watched the whole thing. Well done, sir.
Mate looking at all the comments and watching the vid, I genuinely believe you’re taking the piss with this one. There is no way you can be serious about this video ranking with how much information is missing.
This tierlist is something else...
I think you're misunderstanding the Greatsword of Damnation. first of all, it doesn't do madness build up because it's the very thing that was keeping Midra's madness in check. it doesn't do madness when he uses it, either, because it wouldn't make any sense. secondly, have you tried using it against NPCs? you never once mentioned it, but the AoW when used against NPCs is a brutal grab attack that deals high damage and can easily stunlock them. considering how many NPC fights the DLC has, this is pretty useful. plus, it has the claymore moveset, which is already great, especially in PVP, so combined with the skill this weapon is a PVP beast (even if that's not what this list is about.
lorewise it makes sense, but it is still sad, how lackluster the selection of frenzied weapons are. That is why this weapon should have been a frenzied weapon. He most likely means it that way.
@te-jay6058 we got a few. And they're very good. The Madding Fist is so strong in pvp and the nameless mausoleums
Dude was harsh on horned curved greatsword, didn’t even do the additional input commands for the ash of war.
The dancing blade curved swords with iron jar aromatic kills nearly every boss in the game in about 10 seconds
That’s exactly what i thought, iron jar+ consecutive hits talismans and tear, golden vow and exalted flesh will fuck shit up.
There are also other skills that count as dances so he was wrong about that
@@joaofalcao4254 you also get the max bonus from blue dancer charm if you're wearing the dancer set , the sword and a weightless seal to buff with
@@vault29a your character looks like that one clip from spongebob where handsome squidward is dancing, i think thats all the fun we need
If he's ranking the dancer swords low because it requires iron jar, he ranked falx high, which I agree with, but on anything other than malenia and fire giant they are also gonna need iron jar. On bosses that stand still for a bit like mogh or Godfrey, you can kill them in seconds with the dancer swords without even using iron jar
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Thank you so much for your Super Thanks! 😁
I dont think people realise how bad of a list this is. The fact that he is max level reaaly sqews the ranking toward dual and triple scaling weapons. So for lvl 150 players this list is obsolete. The fact that he doesnt use talismans also really nerfs some weapons like fast hitting weapons not getting rotten winged sword insignia, or big bonks getting axe talisman and such. Use other guides than this one if you are under lvl 300😂
PVP meta level 150 is dumb, but the main issue is actually that this list is incorrect even for high level builds. For instance, the Lizard GS is probably the top pick for Cold and Magic infuses, so it's the ideal Carian Sovereignty weapon. Being overleveled only helps Dancing Blade of Ranah because you can have 99 Vigor, Mind, and Endurance, or at least softcaps at 60. Messmer Soldier Axe is literally just an upgrade to the previous best standard axe in the game, Warped Axe, with its ridiculous status infusions. And so on.
Level cap basically just means every smithing stone weapon's best infuse is either quality or specific elements/statuses depending on the encounter and weapon. It's also the ideal use case for Gazing Finger or Flowerstone Gavel.
@@FelisImpurrator fights last longer in meta lvl
I agree with you
Absolutely agree with you. Some of these make absolutely no sense. Why is he comparing somber weapons to normal IF they were infused if he doesn't compare infusions, talismans, or any kind of buffs
Yeah, Rellana's twinblades would be so much worse otherwise. They are extremely underwhelming at normal ng levels and desparately need a buff
You wildly underrate the Claws of Night. The bleed buildup is superior to every weapon aside from pre-nerf Rivers of Blood and the Bloodfiend Arm, and it's got the latter beat by a wide margin due to its range. Plus, the claw moveset is among the fastest in the game.
Dropping a weapon for *"only"* being good at inflicting bleed when ~99% of the enemies in the game are susceptible to it is baffling.
By the way, I am not a PvP player at all, and have no firsthand experience with this, but from reading the comments, this weapon is now being treated by the PvP community the same way pre-nerf Rivers was.
Great weapon but its not one of best at bleed build up simply because its not possible to use blood greases or bloodflame blade with it. Also if you use it with both hands as intended, its considered powerstancing and status buildup was nerfed by 40 percent.
@@sclafantasy fine, best *native* bleed-up. Also, while I don't know the numbers, I'm pretty sure that each individual projectile on scattershot throw has its own buildup, so against bigger enemies, which can be hit with the full salvo, it builds much faster. (someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong)
@@sclafantasydisagree
I agree OP. S tier weapon and several other souls creators agree as well.
Thanks! Video was awesome
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The intro of this video disparages the creators who make bad tier lists, and then you made possibly one of the worst ones in terms or every single aspect except for base damage at max lvl, possibly the most boring niche. And all while claiming that it is the best tier list.
This tier list may actually be much, Much worse than the ones from content slaves, truly a feat actually.
@DomsRoundtable THANK YOU! so much for this video! Watching it has given me inspiration enough to try a few weapons I had no interest in at all and I will get at least another 50+ hours before completing the DLC. I watched the entire video and it was 100% worth it. I only just found your channel when the DLC came out and watched the "Do These Things First" video and have been hooked ever since. If I can make a suggestion for future videos maybe make one about the top 50 weapons in both the base game and DLC or the top 2 to 5 weapons for each stat or stat combos? Or maybe a video about which weapons should be fully upgraded to +25 and +10 since you can only get 10 +25 weapons and 8 +10 weapons per playthrough. Also you are 100% right about BLOODBORNE! That game is one of the best ever made and it NEEDS a REMAKE and a SEQUEL! Thanks Again and keep up the amazing work
Thank you so much for your Super Thanks! It is truly appreciated! 😁 I'm so glad you found my videos helpful and your feedback has been taken on board! I will have a think on how best to implement this in an upcoming video! 😁 We can all but pray to the gaming gods for a Bloodborne 2 or Remake hahah I just want 60FPS xD
Just a helpful correction, Rellana's cameo the stance boosting talisman also works on the sword of night and flame, square off ash for straight swords, overhead stance for the great katana, and unsheath for regular katanas, it does boost all the stance skills where you hold LT or L2 then choose the follow up, although not the Death's poker or ghostflame call ash sadly since you can't hold down the initial input and delay it so the buff activates.
You missed the whole point of the sunflower is a colossal with max poise damage with the weight of a Zweigh.... weapon weight is actually relevant when comparing bonk sticks
Trruue
It’s not relevant when you’re at max level which is an another reason this is an objectively terrible list.
and it is cute as hell
How many people are genuinely at max level though? The grinding that takes is unreal. @@shquankinket8068
My first ever "Super Thanks!" Not for just this video but all of the "things you missed"
Hope to get more from different Fromsoft games (Bloodborne)!
Thank you so much for your extra support and incredible Super Thanks! 😁 I am wishing for a Pc Port for Bloodborne if nothing else!
@@DomsRoundtable Noice! Hope both things happen - pc port and the things you missed series of that.
Love your commentaries (especially sharing the same frustrations with bosses/areas) - even after finishing Shadow of the Erdtree, I still watch them, and relive them through your playthroughs. 🙏
Thanks for the video Dom. Really enjoyed it! 👍
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As I have never reached level 250+ the single stat scaling of Dancing Blade of Ranah doesn't matter, it is a nice weapon
Poor stance breaking, low DMG without the ok stats from the armor set, and with armor set easily knocked out of the moveset due to low poise.
@@CuddleBuddeethey made the dlc easy mode they are insane
100% correct. They are very, very strong. I absolutely annihilated late game bosses with them.
@@CuddleBuddee stance damage? You know they’re paired curved swords, right? They’re about quick attacks and utilizing multi-hit tier buff multipliers and the items that innately buff the swords into insane damage numbers.
If you’re used to face-tanking every enemy hit, then yeah, I could see why you don’t like them.
Not where he got the idea it sucks at 250+, I was around level 420 when I first got them, pretty good weapon
Note about Devonias Hammer. Yes it does less damage and stance damage than Ordovis BUT unlike Ordovis and Siluria, the aow is buffed by 17% with the Crucible set just like the incants. So the damage ends up way higher as that stacks with shard of alexander. This also applies to Aspect of the Crucible Wings aow too. So of built into a crucible build Devonias will deal almost 1.5k more damage than Ordovis
First enemy I tried backhand blades with was the Final Boss of the DLC...was successful and now am backhand blades gang fo life.
It's how I finally killed him after 2,000 tries 😅
@@vault29a 🤓🤡
Alright 👀👀 I'ma try that next
@@madmorgo6233 Yeah they are pretty fuckin awesome. I was never a fan of dual curved swords, but the backhand blades are just way more fun to use.
Its decent, but they get directly outclassed by power stanced bandit/scavenger curved swords with regards to dps, bleed buildup and moveset.
Thanks for your content. It's clear that you love Elden Ring and that you put a lot of time into your videos. That said, there are so many weapons that it's pretty clear that you haven't had the chance to think about really building into every single weapon to optimize each one, and that's ok!
The barbed staff spear for example is exceptional for low fp builds. It has incredible reach, an amazing moveset (especially charged r2s) with access to piercing and sweeping attacks and it does more stance damage than most other weapons in it's class. If you are running a faith/strength or faith/dex build focused on melee combat, you can buff it up with the twohanded talisman and spear talisman and dagger talisman/blades of mercy and just stunlock 8 out of the 11 bosses in the dlc for the entire fight without ever taking a single hit while you rack up crit after crit. It's legitimately bananas how good it is for physical combat. Yes, the AoW is bad but if you are a faith main, you can easily throw in incants for ranged options so the downside just isn't that big a deal. This has become one of my top 5 dlc weapons not because of the Ash, but in spite of it.
If you define good as "press L2 to win" i can see where it would be D tier but there is so much more to what makes a great weapon good/fun to play and not every build needs to be all about ash spam.
Again, not knocking you and I mean no disrespect, it's great to hear others perspectives, just using that one example to encourage you to think about how you could make each weapon the best version of itself before you compare them and talk about their strengths and weaknesses. Cheers!
He said he wasn’t running or ranking them in builds and just going straight off how the weapon performs at base.
@@-thebatman- aka a meaningless assessment
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Then did exactly the opposite on multiple weapons because he felt like it. Saying one thing and doing the other invalidates a whole ass ranking
The fact you ranked all these weapons at max level with zero talismans to make a build is wild. You have top tier weapons at the bottom lol
That’s the point of the video dipshit, ranking them without damage buffs from outside sources???
A notable correction I think might be worth including- The Dancers Set dropped by Ranah increases the damage by TEN PERCENT for several ashes of war including WATERFOWL DANCE and SWORD DANCE as well as heavy attacks on weapons like the Nox Flowing Sword. It is an extremely effective and useful armor set and worth beating the boss even if you don’t like her unique weapon.
Buffs the marais swords aow as well which is nuts
Do you know if it buffs the River Flowing curved sword?
You have wildly unrated the perfume bottles. Even after the nerf that are so much easier to use for big damage than any melee weapon. The R1 damage is good and very fast. And lightning bottle is still better than frost imo.
I don’t know why I hadn’t “two-handed/split” perfume bottles before today, but hot damn does it transform them.
Edit: He started talking about PvP when he got to the top 20 (maybe sooner but I didn’t notice and must’ve glazed over it in the intro), so I’m assuming the high rank is entirely based on PvP. Doesn’t track for a ranking list, but evidently that’s what’s up I think.
Ranking everything at max level and not 150 or 200 makes zero sense. Those are the metas and it doesn't matter if a quad scaling weapon does well at max.
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You’re incorrect at 1:18:40 this talisman pairs with: Square Off, Overhead Stance, Night-and-Flame Stance, Unsheathe, and Transient Moonlight also.
"I rank the weapons without buffs, crutches, builds etc - just weapon vs weapon."
Literally one weapon later, with the red bear claw: "Well, put a a shitton of buffs on the beast claw and it's better! 🤓"
Bro, what are we actually doing here? With how you called out other creators in the beginning you set the bar very high. Then constantly contradicting yourself and making some.. questionable.. rankings. This whole video seems like what you deemed others - a waste of time, no offense, I'm out
This is almost satire how frequently you are wrong lol. Don’t mean to be harsh I typically like your videos but damn
The Messmer's soldier axe also shares a moveset with the warped axe, which is the superior axe moveset. Big positive for it that was left out.
I may be a PvP level 150 sweaty ass Tryhard. But... seeing the Death Knight's Twin Axes and the Horned Curved GS so low really hurts my soul...
Past level 200 youre basically playing a different game it feels like. Everything with Quality or 3 scalings becomes insanely broken while Single or Barely Double scaling weapons fall off a cliff.
You can do follow up attacks with the horned warrior's curved great sword, which makes it pretty good in my opinion. The follow up attacks after multiple inputs also seem to fix the range problem as they appear the have more range
I think the carian sorcery sword has the potential to shine with a sword and board sorcerer build so you can access blocking, parrying, guard counters, hide pokes and spells all without switching weapons.
That's how I feel. I use it with a great shield and the carian sorceries and it's nice basically using gavel as a guard counter. It's not the best catalyst but it's not supposed to be, it's mean to provide more flexibility to like a real carian night build
I like it with the main gauche dagger since you can use the dagger’s larger parry window, make use of the power stancing thrusting sword move set, and cast sorceries 😅
I don't even view it as a casting tool, because obviously it loses out to a Staff. I view it as a thrusting sword that can basically hold up to 10 or so ashes of war at the same time. With different damage types, statuses and uses.
Sure you could use a staff, sure you could use a sword, but this is the ultimate hybrid for the "i don't change my fking equiptment" - people
@@K1NG_of_ReVeNGe1 I love that take on it
This is my first video of yours that I have watched and the detail and the amount of effort and work you put into this video please me I immediately subscribed and liked and watched all the way through love your content keep it up man I appreciate you✊🏽….also loved the goofy bit
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“Fire knights great sword can be farmed farmed from any Fire knight who carries it, shouldn’t take you long”
Me after spending 7 hrs grinding it with no results
Took about an hour at storeroom with silver pickled foot and silver talisman. Got the whole outfit and weapon. Keep grinding.
@@jeffbuerhaus2514 WONT STOP CANT STOP!!!! Tell me, is it a somber or regular?
Go to the 7th floor grace, right outside the door across the small bridge is a Knight who carries it. Use the silver scarab, anything that raises your arcane, use a silver fowl claw, and use the weapon skill on the Grafted Sword. Got 3 or 4 of them while farming the helmet
Sucks how luck can work, took me about half an hour but probably spent over an hour in total farming the armour but was totally worth it. Good luck, you will get it.
So crazy how everyone has different favourite weapons. Whirlwind ash of war with Alexander and kick buffs obliterates pretty much all enemies, quickly. Great hyper armour, damage and instant stance breaks. It’s my go-to when I feel the need for easy mode.
there are quite a few mistakes. For example the dancing blades. I am not a fan of this weapon, but the DPS of the weapon art is absolutely insane. One of the highest in the game.
The same can be said about the flail, the damage of the explosions is crazy.
This list is like if you ranked all the guns in call of duty but you’re not allowed to use attachments but worse since you’re at max level which nobody will get to without cheating.
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To clarify, you can use renallas Cameo on unsheath, square off, sword of night and flame, moonveil, and overhead stance for great katana. Not just wing stance and rellannas twin greatswords
Using Fire Knight's GS without Flame Skewer or Flame Spear is sacrilege.
You can tell he has his favorites and is biased on a few of these, questionable at best. Combine that with him basically jerking himself in his "intro" about how great he is automatically killed any interest i had in any other video he has 🤷🏻♂️
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Keep blessing us like The Erdtree itself bruv 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I had a lot of success with the Smithscript Axe. I put Savage Lion Claw along with a cold affinity and it felt pretty good to use. Its not the best but can be serviceable.
I also didn't know the knights would remount their horses if knocked off. That was neat.
The great sword of damnation doesn’t deal madness because it was used to quell the madness in midra
Is madness good in pve now, like it can effect almost everything now? It was usually only good for invaders and the one thing Frenzy inc's had was the fire and dmg.
@@CarolusFlex No. Basically nothing has changed about Madness, except that it has another spell and an Exultation Talisman.
@@JerichoDeath maan :( I was kinda excited to try it again
@@CarolusFlexit isn't as great as it could be, but madness is still an amazing build, as it still does fire damage even when something is immune to madness
@@Legacysong2012 Yeah but it has always been like that. Eye Sniper incantation is, if not used to be, one of the absolute best.
Wow the dedication on this video is insane, cheers!❤
I'm like 5 points in and bro really shouldn't be throwing shade at other tier list makers if you think whips are a bad weapon class and weapons that only scale off one stat are bad.
Not to mention just being incorrect about the dancer clothes.
Big oof.
I dont think you used many of these weapons. Cuz just looking at your 10 worst weapons list there are some a tier weapons on there lol
Thanks so much for ranking these weapons for us! Your videos are always informative and extremely thorough 😎👍
By far I have binged your videos ever since discovering your channel in my search for dlc secrets. I've watched this one specifically from start to finish and I am gladly informed and entertained :D
I did a whole play through with the Fire knight's Greatsword, and it felt great. There's multiple armor pieces that buff fire knight skills or Messmer incants depending on which way you want to lean. I'm surprised you didn't point out that when buffed with fire it gains extra damage like the holy bonus on the black steel greathammer. Flame Skewer and Flame Spear are amazing to switch back and forth with a faith build and flame art affinity.
Glad there is finally a weapon ranker on youtube giving respect to Dane's Footwork. I don't think I have seen anyone else mention it. Guess you were gonna mention it no matter what, since you are ranking every single weapon, but good to see you put it at a decent spot. I think it is an underrated weapon.
Thanks for the vid Dom. I learned a few things regarding some of these weapons, so I appreciate the time you poured into this.
I may not agree with the entire video like some, but the great thing about it is that it is sparking conversation as to why or why not this or that is better.
People have to remember that these videos from our favorite guys and gals are a mixture of facts and opinions. Take it for what you can get from it.
I... have issues with this list. First of all, the majority of playerbase plays this game in pre-200 level range. 150-170 being the golden standard. So saying that weapon gets outclassed at 250 is... uhm... whatever, to be honest. It means nothing.
Second, in the intro, you literally said yourself that we are comparing these weapons with the same equipment. And yet your reason for Dane > Dryleaf is literally just "well, there's equipment that can buff it...". Then why did that disclaimer exist? Let's either compare all weapons with their optimal equipment, or none of them.
Finally, there's more to weapons than just damage numbers. If you tried, for example, Death Knight's Twin Axes ash on Malenia, you wouldn't look down on it like that. Or Sword of Damnation on NPC invaders. Barbed Staff-Spear gives bleed to builds that don't necessarily have it innately (aka bleed on a faith weapon) with an insanely cheap holy ranged option to melt the likes of Radaan... Poisoned Hand does more than just apply poison, its charged R2 breaks enemies insanely fast. And how is it lower than Madding one if you literally say later that this list is about "everyday use", and Madness does nothing on 90% of the enemies in game, while poison still does at least something?
I still generally agree with the top-10 though, so... meh...
Dom I usually like your stuff but this tierlist is abysmal holy shit
Yeah. i was wondering why i'm not subbed to you...thanks for reminding me
Dom come on. Your missing a few times here. I know its opinion but flowerstone gavel basically a smaller rusted anchor! Its a hammer which makes it good already. And it only does pierce damage. Pierce damage is the best damage in the game. No way its 20th worst. Also in what world is maddening hand better than poisoning hand for "everyday pve" as you stated this list is.
Yeah, he keeps mentioning madness being good, but its like one of the worst status effects for pve. With deadly poison hand, you would proc not only poison on the enemy, but also the buffs from both the helmet and the talisman, then you could switch to another weapon or something
Pata seems like a bit of a harsh write-off in my opinion. It's got the highest range of the fist weapons, scales with pierce damage so you get the Spear Talisman bonus, and it doubles as a straight sword???
With every comment I read I ask myself how botched this list turned out
@@K1NG_of_ReVeNGe1extremely
I wouldn't say strike damage is the best damage in the game, especially not better than pierce. Strike damage is good if the enemies you're worries about are crystallians and skeletons. But if you want good damage vs the tough enemies pierce is most of the time better
Pierce is defo the best due to its unique ability to do counter attack dmg which is further boosted by a talisman
@@justhair17 especially in this game because most of your damage openings are while a boss is winding up an attack. But thrusting damage has always been the best
Watched the whole thing. Another banger! Because of your weapon review videos, I've been rocking the Fire Knight Great sword in power stance and it is by far my favorite build and playstyle. I haven't thought about cold infusion on it yet. Def going to check that out. Thanks again.
A blood pata with endure, i dont know im mowing down pretty much everything. Greay job on the video. Always love how everyone can have a different experience.
Puts Smithscript dagger over both dlc greatswords 😂😂 yeah man, you are so so qualified to be making this tier list lolol
You only did partial parts of the ash of war for a few of the weapons like the horned warriors great sword
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Don’t sleep on the lizard greatsword in PvP, has claymore moveset and can roll catch even further because of projectile that comes out with the R2. Love the vid Dom, but I think some weapons you mentioned are actually pretty great (or hilarious) in PvP
I do think that the Greatsword of Radahn (Light) should be dead last. It is literally the exact same weapon as the Lord version just with a much worse Ash of War, making it completely obsolete since you get jt from the same Remembrance. There is literally not a single reason to even consider using it which is probably the biggest sin a weapon can commit, it might aswell not exist in the first place. Such a shame that the weapon you get from the hardest and flashiest boss in all Fromsoft games falls flat as one of the most mediocre and uninteresting weapons. Wish jt was more or maybe a unique Double Curved Greatsword. Great video man keep it up!
Agreed. Even the other variation should be in the bottom half, as its the inferior version of Starscourge GS, which has better dmg and a better AoW. If he rated some weapons lower due to them being redundant, should have done the same with these weapons
@@justhair17 Absolutely. When the reason for 50% of placements is that there are better options in the base game it makes no sense to give up on that on the most obvious example of them all.
I can't even begin to imagine how how it took you to create this video, but I really commend you for the great content. Pleased to see some of my favourites towards the top end of the list (Backhand Blade and Bloodfiend's Arm), as well as other weapons I love like The Greatsword of Solitude and Sword Lance get some love!
The firespark perfume bottle is better than the frenzied flame bottle for certain builds. I did the DLC with a DEX/INT build (60/60) with minimal STR (16). While I know AR isnt everything, I'm going to use it to demonstrate my point. At STR(16)/DEX(60)/INT(60)/FAI(12)/ARC(10), the firespark perfume bottle +25 has an AR of 512, not bad for a build that previously struggled to get out solid fire damage. With the same stats, the Frenzy Flame Perfume Bottle has an AR of 462 which is a pretty big difference. Yes the frenzy flame bottle has madness buildup which is a nice bonus, but the majority of PVE enemies are immune to the status or too weak to live enough hits for it to matter. The firespark and frenzy flame perfume bottles are tailored to different builds.
Question: Dom put it as the highest one the list of the Perfume btls., specifically calling out the ability to “finally have a good madness buildup weapon.” I thought madness was useless in PvE. Have I been doing it wrong? What enemies aren’t immune to madness? (Excluding the rare NPC invader)
@lunarbound9975 Its pretty rare for a PVE enemy to be weak to madness. All of the enemies that are weak to it are player-esque. Most NPC invasions/ bosses are susceptible (with a few exceptions like Vyke). Silver tears disguised as humans, these humanoid enemies in mountain tops of the giants called flame guardians, and that's it. So it let's you one shot Gideon and Fias champions along with some other NPC bosses but that's about it.
The only status that's worse in PVE is deathblight, since it affects the same enemies but all of the NPC bosses have 999 resistance to it.
It's a nice bonus to have, since it has its uses, but I wouldn't want to sacrifice really any AR for it.
Yeah, I don't get it. Even with his pointless "everything at 99" build, frenzyflame beats firespark by only 51 AR. Assuming you start as Wretch and comparing to just firespark with 80dex, you need 132 extra levels for frenzyflame just to catch up damage-wise.
Great work on the vid!
Dom where have you been man I need things you missed!
For the final bosses weapons, the radahns greatswords are so disappointing.
Why do you keep glazing Madness? You said it's a PVE tier list. Madness only works on Tarnished NPCs.
You reallt put the Blades of Ranah at the bottom?? I'm not wasting 2 hours on this video
He did that with the twin axes too. Those things shred
That’s what happens when you rank things at max level without building into them. Such an L of a video because nobody is getting to max level without cheating and everyone is gonna at least partially build into there weapons
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You can get to max level naturally, but nobody wants to do that
Thank you for this comprehensive and painstaking review of the 80 DLC weapons. Really appreciate the approach to have a Max rune lvl character wielding the weapons at their highest upgrade - that provides a unique showcase allowing for a weapon to proves its merit from its own standing. Too often do you see build guides focus on an obnoxiously tedious combo of buffs (Vow, Howl, Bleed Prod, Poisson, Flask, etc) in order to make a build broken/viable. The genius of this review is in its simplicity and yet it truly was a investment to make it happen. Your banter and commentary are always welcome company. Thank you for the great contribution as always! 👻
There’s 103 new weapons, so 23 are missing
Such a wonderful video, thank you for the content!
Serpent flail kicks ass
The intro was the exact opposite of speaking with authority.
I would’ve never even checked out #2, fun! Thank you for the great work and list!
Well... My weapons were mostly in 20-30 segment, Apart from the Great Katana. Really nice you did want to make a full video about it, I'm saving some knowlegde for NG+
Good call on the fire knight GS, thxs works well on cold(New journey +6) , good vid from start to end.
First video I've watched of yours and I like how you opened your video speaking on your passion of gaming thats a sub from me
It doesn’t matter how good the weapon is sometimes all that matters is that it’s bad ass 💪