Autism is not a mental health issue although there are comorbities (mental health issues frequently accompany alongside autism) but autism itself is not a mental illness. Also many autistic individuals DO function in society providing they have received the support that they need
Keeping him alive , what is the point . Screws will have tp protect him even if they dont want to .Also he could radicallsed other young boys . yes even behind bars
Axel was NOT Muslim. He also had materials and literature on the Nazis, IRA, slavery, Rwandan genocide, etc. He was obsessed with extreme violence. Last year at the time, the false rumour being spread online which led to riots where, that he was an illegal Muslim asylum seeker from Iraq who came on a boat. That’s why mosques were targeted.
Who is this fella in the blue suit ?? Woke panel again, when there is no question of guilt death penalty, he was caught bloodied knife in hand why theses callers bringing oh what if they were innocent ! We are talking about 100 per cent guilt here.
In cases like this YES The Death Penatly should be brought back. I would rather that lengthly cost of the British tax payers money go towards something more needed like our NHS ? not to pay for this Axel to have full board bed & breakfast and 3 meals a day and clean fresh water and a bed and tv and a games room. That is not fit for purpose & does not sound like punishment for the crime he has comitted.
Cost of keeping Rudakubana in prison for 51 years: £2,700,000 Cost of 25 feet of 1 inch jute rope: £27 The figures speak for themselves. EDIT: Timothy Evans was not executed for the murder of his wife, only for the murder of his daughter; a crime most serious authors who have looked into the case agree he likely committed; the main individual arguing for Evans' complete innocence was Ludovic Kennedy, a dangerous fantasist who spent the last 40 years of his life trying to 'prove' James Hanratty's innocence, only to inadvertently prove his guilt when DNA evidence closed the book on the case for good.
It might work for a few murders but most murders can be very technical and i dont trust juries to make the correct decisions,in ither words it will cist the taxpayer a lot more because 8nvestigations will have to be triple or more thoughro, otherwise we could end up with a lot if dead innocent people
People shouldn't blame the judges when they are only implementing the decisions of our politicians. The death penalty is impossible, even if the British people voted for it in a referendum, while we are still a signatory to the European convention on human rights, and the Human rights act is still on the statute book.
Stating a fact is not an insult. His vulnerability IS relevant There are neurodivergent murderers and neurotypical murderers. Being neurodivergent does not automatically make you a good person (I myself am diagnosed with autism) Neurodivergent folk are fully human, there a criminals in every section of society, the neurodivergent community is not immune to criminality A form of ableism is patronising neurodivergent folk, thinking they are sweet and cute and harmless and not fully human -it is a part of ignorant dehumanisation although it's well meaning
Autism....NOT A FACTOR! Talk to the parents of those children. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. No remorse, no guilt and ready to kill even more. Totally agree - Bring back capital punishment, we will pay millions in keeping him protected in Prison. Use the money in the children's memory and NOT ON HIM!
The point is that its like saying Schizophrenia doesnt cause murder. And thats true, for most people it doesn't. But in isolated cases it can. The same with autism.Part of autism is that people can have intense obsessions and passionate fixations. But that aside, most autistic people know the difference between right and wrong, and make the exact same choice everyone else does
People all remember MEN Arena and that should have been the end of it then but oh no it keeps on happening , Lessons should be learnt ,we keep hearing that one and then it happens again .
I don’t agree with the death penalty at all in any circumstances. Personally I think it just lowered yourself to someone else’s level. I also think it became a revenge rather than punishment, you don’t give someone the opportunity to rehabilitate and change. As he says you could also give the death penalty to the wrong person.
Plus, it could be a slippery slope towards using the dp for other crimes. The Nazis used the guillotine just for spreading propaganda against the regime.
Were there signs that he was Autistic as a child actor ?…….. As there is more technology and we know he is 100% guilty yes I feel he should have the Death Penalty. He probably will be attacked in Jail. No one wants their hard earned Taxes paid for him to languish in jail.
Death penalty is immoral. We must learn to forgive. Matthew 6:14 - “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.”
An eye for an eye was also said. A barbaric society requires barbaric punishment. Death penalty is a deterrent, when it was abolished back on the 60's the serious crime rate rocketed??.
@sheilaking1300 no we don't all have some form of autism.. you CLEARLY don't know what the word means.. please don't comment on subjects you are ignorant about and spread misinformation
Poeple who knew what he was up to should all be prosicuted and loose your jobs and pay out compensation to all the poor familys . Also this is for all these horrible crimes in our country and keep on happening . We need the help of the Army now , We can not keep going on like this . There was a stabbing where i live in Dukinfield only last week and where my Daugher walks home from work , the stabbing was about 30 mins later so it could have been her , Also in Dukinfield where i live has been 2 murders of only i know about , in the last few years , We are only a small town . Also a lot of robberies on my estate . Pedophiles hangging around primary schools and high schools in Dukinfield and everywhere else . Also another stabbing this week as a 20 year old Man Stabbed another Man in a primery school playgrund , A Dad stabbing another Dad . Also 14 year old Boy stabbing to death a 12 year old Boy near my Grandsons age , also a Women in Plymoth Being stabbed to death and also domestic violence and domesic violence death Murder . Also we have Lucy Letby who has been found guity twice but still there are people still trying to get her off with it .Also Keir Starmer letting some crininals walk free out of jail , to commit more crime , Also the violent Thugs of Manchester Airport who was getting away with it and lying , Also the Grooming gang scandel and the lies and cover ups ,Also Katie Ruogh , Stabbed to death by a teenage girl , Also all other crimes and Murderers Ian Huntly , Also poor little girl Sarah Pane , poor little boy James Bulger Murderd by kids , and poor little girl Sara Sharif Murderd and torcherd by her Father and Uncle And Step Mother , and the Authorities all knew , Not forgettind the rape and murder of poor Sarah Everard and what happend to Nicla Bulley it is just so awfull , All missing Chidren out there who have never been found , The evil moores murders , evil Dr Shipman , Dr near where i live .
This “autism” plea is offensive and erroneous- as someone with autism, I would NEVER think to do what he’s done.
I agree bringing it into the equation is a terrible excuse.
As another autistic person, I also agree. Honestly, that's just a terrible and disgusting excuse in my view.
Do gooders interfearing again
@@shyhistorian acknowledging vulnerability is NOT an excuse!
Autism is not a mental health issue and is 100% not an excuse. Him having autism has nothing to do with his crime
I agree what a terrible justification.
Autism did not cause this and it is so offensive to claim that it did
@@amberwild-ms4co I don't think any one is claiming that
Even if we did bring back the death penalty it wouldn't be for people who were 17 at the time of the crime.
So you are happy for a killer to walk free?
I'm pretty sure he isn't happy for the killer to walk free😂 he is just stating it wouldn't matter anyway! He was 17
Only in 1933 was the minimum age limit for which a person could be executed raised from 16 to 18, meaning it is perfectly possible.
He will get a "life" time fearing inmates.
How much will it cost us tax payers to keep him in prison
Money that could be spent on something decent
Autism is not a mental health issue although there are comorbities (mental health issues frequently accompany alongside autism) but autism itself is not a mental illness. Also many autistic individuals DO function in society providing they have received the support that they need
Autism is not an excuse.
Keeping him alive , what is the point . Screws will have tp protect him even if they dont want to .Also he could radicallsed other young boys . yes even behind bars
I think other prisoners will carry out a death sentence.
Then give them a pardon
Never give them the power over life and death, they'll use it against us eventually
Change the law then
Axel was NOT Muslim. He also had materials and literature on the Nazis, IRA, slavery, Rwandan genocide, etc. He was obsessed with extreme violence.
Last year at the time, the false rumour being spread online which led to riots where, that he was an illegal Muslim asylum seeker from Iraq who came on a boat. That’s why mosques were targeted.
he's a Muslim, he's been visiting the prison mosque in Belmarsh. he also told former class mates there needs to be a white jen-oh-side
Who is this fella in the blue suit ?? Woke panel again, when there is no question of guilt death penalty, he was caught bloodied knife in hand why theses callers bringing oh what if they were innocent ! We are talking about 100 per cent guilt here.
It's a case of getting your foot in the door. Once the death penalty is re-introduced, it'll spread to other offences ... has done elsewhere.
That man saying he will be watching the debate, them girls won't watch telly again
Give the people the vote.
They won't because they know 65/75% of the country are for it.
It has mine.
thank god he did not have a gun
But if we had may be we could have stopped it ?
In cases like this YES The Death Penatly should be brought back. I would rather that lengthly cost of the British tax payers money go towards something more needed like our NHS ? not to pay for this Axel to have full board bed & breakfast and 3 meals a day and clean fresh water and a bed and tv and a games room. That is not fit for purpose & does not sound like punishment for the crime he has comitted.
Cost of keeping Rudakubana in prison for 51 years: £2,700,000
Cost of 25 feet of 1 inch jute rope: £27
The figures speak for themselves.
EDIT: Timothy Evans was not executed for the murder of his wife, only for the murder of his daughter; a crime most serious authors who have looked into the case agree he likely committed; the main individual arguing for Evans' complete innocence was Ludovic Kennedy, a dangerous fantasist who spent the last 40 years of his life trying to 'prove' James Hanratty's innocence, only to inadvertently prove his guilt when DNA evidence closed the book on the case for good.
If a dog is born in a stable it doesn’t make it a horse
It might work for a few murders but most murders can be very technical and i dont trust juries to make the correct decisions,in ither words it will cist the taxpayer a lot more because 8nvestigations will have to be triple or more thoughro, otherwise we could end up with a lot if dead innocent people
People shouldn't blame the judges when they are only implementing the decisions of our politicians. The death penalty is impossible, even if the British people voted for it in a referendum, while we are still a signatory to the European convention on human rights, and the Human rights act is still on the statute book.
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Think about the money to the tax payer keeping him in jail and solitary
She brought up people with autism-that’s insulting to people with autism. Autists would not stoop to such depths.
Stating a fact is not an insult. His vulnerability IS relevant
There are neurodivergent murderers and neurotypical murderers. Being neurodivergent does not automatically make you a good person
(I myself am diagnosed with autism)
Neurodivergent folk are fully human, there a criminals in every section of society, the neurodivergent community is not immune to criminality
A form of ableism is patronising neurodivergent folk, thinking they are sweet and cute and harmless and not fully human -it is a part of ignorant dehumanisation although it's well meaning
That vile woman said at 12.58 minutes...he did what he had to do...ffs how disgusting 😢
Autism....NOT A FACTOR!
Talk to the parents of those children. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. No remorse, no guilt and ready to kill even more.
Totally agree - Bring back capital punishment, we will pay millions in keeping him protected in Prison. Use the money in the children's memory and NOT ON HIM!
simple dont murder or mess with kids or rape and you would not hang
They should have held the monster until "IT" was 18.
It's all fine mps saying "we want the death penalty" but all that will happen is it will get debated and then nothing will happen?
What is the point of keeping him alive 🤷♀️
The point is that its like saying Schizophrenia doesnt cause murder. And thats true, for most people it doesn't. But in isolated cases it can. The same with autism.Part of autism is that people can have intense obsessions and passionate fixations. But that aside, most autistic people know the difference between right and wrong, and make the exact same choice everyone else does
He didn't pay the taxi fare
People all remember MEN Arena and that should have been the end of it then but oh no it keeps on happening , Lessons should be learnt ,we keep hearing that one and then it happens again .
They should make him walk the plank 🚢
Walk the plank, with sharks in the water.
@ exactly
how about the taxi driver, he let him leave without paying DID he phone the police, if not he's compliant
If I was the cabbie i would have chased after "IT".
100 years 😊
Skewed debate without factual content.
He's not to going to make the first six months .
There is no longer a deterrent in this country.
I don’t agree with the death penalty at all in any circumstances. Personally I think it just lowered yourself to someone else’s level. I also think it became a revenge rather than punishment, you don’t give someone the opportunity to rehabilitate and change.
As he says you could also give the death penalty to the wrong person.
Plus, it could be a slippery slope towards using the dp for other crimes. The Nazis used the guillotine just for spreading propaganda against the regime.
Exactly, in the States 1 in 8 people sentenced to death are found innocent.
Were there signs that he was Autistic as a child actor ?…….. As there is more technology and we know he is 100% guilty yes I feel he should have the Death Penalty. He probably will be attacked in Jail. No one wants their hard earned Taxes paid for him to languish in jail.
@carolynesimpson6070 yes, he was diagnosed as a child. People are born autistic, it's not a condition that develops later..
@carolynesimpson6070 you want a disabled child (at the time he committed the crime) put to death? Disturbing
he is not a uk citizen
There's a moral panic a week these days. It's exhausting. Maybe I am just too woke
Stop the boats.
That was nothing to do with this case, he was born in the UK not arrived on a boat.
Get your facts straight already jesus.
Stop being racist. He's UK national
Parents came over @@dirtytechie
@@vikingfrog7204 Stop being The Help. It is cringe! Crybaby!
@@jacksoncrate Yea and what's the point your trying to draw there? Clearly a brain washed individual
bring it back
And one more thing if a rat is born in a stable, that doesn’t make him a horse.
Those three on the panel are the ones who would welcome these characters into our country.
@@susanbrowne5544 he was born in Wales. His parents were LEGAL asulym seekers of the Rwandan genocide
Death penalty is immoral. We must learn to forgive.
Matthew 6:14 - “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.”
Forgive him? Are you insane? No forgiveness for murder.
Try telling that to the families screw religion 😡
An eye for an eye was also said. A barbaric society requires barbaric punishment. Death penalty is a deterrent, when it was abolished back on the 60's the serious crime rate rocketed??.
Hope you’ll never know what it’s feels like your dearest one be murdered...
Are you joking ???? Get real he’s a sadistic child murderer !
We all have some form of autism. We know he 100% did this, there’s no doubt he did this. We know he’s guilty.
@sheilaking1300 no we don't all have some form of autism.. you CLEARLY don't know what the word means.. please don't comment on subjects you are ignorant about and spread misinformation
16:34 spot on!
I would bring back capital punishment.
Ha Welsh my arse. That is very very insulting to the Welsh.
The government told us he was a Welsh Choirboy.
@Chris-do6cm no it isn't (from a Welsh person)
The welsh would be happy enough to claim him as their own if he was a footballer or an actor instead of a psychotic murderer!🤔
Poeple who knew what he was up to should all be prosicuted and loose your jobs and pay out compensation to all the poor familys . Also this is for all these horrible crimes in our country and keep on happening . We need the help of the Army now , We can not keep going on like this . There was a stabbing where i live in Dukinfield only last week and where my Daugher walks home from work , the stabbing was about 30 mins later so it could have been her , Also in Dukinfield where i live has been 2 murders of only i know about , in the last few years , We are only a small town . Also a lot of robberies on my estate . Pedophiles hangging around primary schools and high schools in Dukinfield and everywhere else . Also another stabbing this week as a 20 year old Man Stabbed another Man in a primery school playgrund , A Dad stabbing another Dad . Also 14 year old Boy stabbing to death a 12 year old Boy near my Grandsons age , also a Women in Plymoth Being stabbed to death and also domestic violence and domesic violence death Murder . Also we have Lucy Letby who has been found guity twice but still there are people still trying to get her off with it .Also Keir Starmer letting some crininals walk free out of jail , to commit more crime , Also the violent Thugs of Manchester Airport who was getting away with it and lying , Also the Grooming gang scandel and the lies and cover ups ,Also Katie Ruogh , Stabbed to death by a teenage girl , Also all other crimes and Murderers Ian Huntly , Also poor little girl Sarah Pane , poor little boy James Bulger Murderd by kids , and poor little girl Sara Sharif Murderd and torcherd by her Father and Uncle And Step Mother , and the Authorities all knew , Not forgettind the rape and murder of poor Sarah Everard and what happend to Nicla Bulley it is just so awfull , All missing Chidren out there who have never been found , The evil moores murders , evil Dr Shipman , Dr near where i live .
I forgot to mention the poor case of baby p. Also the children who lost their lives to fire 🔥. This has to stop 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡
RIP to the 3 little girls!
Boring show💤💤💤💤