How to Record DJ Audio for Wedding Filmmakers
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Wow, I'm just shaking my head in disbelief. Craig, thank you for your clarity. I'm just ashamed for humanity that one would need to instruct other videographers how to be a normal, nice, polite human being. Since day one, I've always contacted the audio guys ahead of time and then later introduced myself in person, said hi and created a relationship. It never occurred to me NOT to be a normal nice person. Anyways, thanks again for taking on this bold education task.
As a current production sound mixer I also run a wedding videography company, I feel like the better option is to run wirelessly via the rode link which would implement the 1/4 to 3.5 in to the rode link transmitter which also for the field record (I use a sound devices 664) to be on you which allows you to adjust your levels and monitor your feed in a much more efficient way
Quick clarification on "line level" and the use of attenuators. The goal should not be to pad a line level signal down to mic level (although you certainly can). The goal is to make sure you don't overload your recorders input. Depending on what kind of recorder you have, your maximum input will vary. The h6 for instance has a built in -20db pad for each input for this reason. A common misconception about line level is that there is one standard line level. In reality there are different types of line level. Most importantly, the line level that comes from a large bands proper sound board. It is still possible to overload the rolands input just like you would overload a zoom h1. Its not a common thing but it certainly can happen. If I am working with a large band I will always use the built in -20db pad from the h6 or an attenuator. Love your videos!
Marc Roberts could you please explain how you connect your h6 to mixer. I just bought one to record audio of a 8-10 person salsa band. Please help
my h4n firts generation has dual xlr mic and 1/4 line inputs. But i cant get clear line level recording thru de 1/4 inputs. So now i am going to check if the H4N comes with built in attenuation. thanks
The h4N doesn't come with built in attenuation but I am pretty sure the H6 does.
zoom h5 has a -20db pad built in as well
From a DJ stand point, I laugh at the confusion of cables but I remember when I didn't know what they were for as well lol
At 5:02 does he means Line than Mic or Mic Than Line? He said Line both times
Thank you! This was helpful. I couldn't figure out why my Zoom h1 was peaking and I guess I either need an attenuation cable, or just upgrade my gear.
I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this, but I love the gradient the background and the computer create!
I got everything i am looking for in your channel !! thank god this guy exist in this planet
Hi man,
Thanks for the video.
I would recommend letting the wedding planner contact the audio technician.
This way I definitely increase my chances. Many times audio technicians or Dj's might just not want to. Not all of them but I don't take any chances. But If It's a request coming from the bride and groom then they wont say no cause they are direct clients of them.
I have been a photographer for 6 years now and getting into videography. Great videos. Keep it up. Its hard to find good videos regarding wedding videos. Thanks for putting these out!!!!
Thanks for the video I'll get the attenuator cable and the RCA for the zoom h1n it should be and easy fix. Thanks a lot!
I miss this guy.
He has a channel u can follow if you please
Dude Thank you so much. So hard to find information in such detail online. Absolute beginner here and you made it so easy to understand
Great videos I enjoy watching them. Just one thing...at 5:00 you mention that the line input is for mics and lavs, then you go on to say to use the line input from the board. Did you mean mic input first for the mics and lavs?
yeah, this is still more confusing than before watching LOL!
Apparently LINE is higher level than MIC, hence could use attenuators (e.g. -20db) to bring a LINE level audio source down to MIC level.
I had the same question, I'm pretty sure he misspoke and that you're correct. It's too bad he doesn't seem to respond to anyone's sincere questions on this video.
Mic is basically a lifted audio signal. Line level is essentially without amplification. I assign an auxiliary out on my mixer for the videographer. They get the same signal I send to my speakers, and can easily unplug when they’re done pulling sound off my board. If they ask REALLY nicely, I can sometimes hook them up with a wireless low latency broadcast quality signal.
I fucking love this guys positivity. I wish wedding photographers (like me) had these types of videos on TH-cam. But video looks harder.
smaulpaul it is indeed^^ on a way that you need more stuff to work (for the rest idk I'm ont a photographer)
This is a HUGE help for this weekend's wedding. Perfect timing!!
+Jeremy Bay Sorry for being a day late but I GOT YOU BOO. Let us know how the wedding shoot goes #wedfilmschool
+Wedding Film School I've got a Zoom H4N with all the proper cables and two Zoom H1's with lavs. I've got this audio! Thanks dude!
+Jeremy Bay How did your audio sound? Was it peaking all the time? I also use a H4N but I have 2 -20bd attenuators because using the proper cables (xlr/14) alone will make the audio bad and distorted. the attenuators will help and you won't have any peaking or distorted audio.
+Kris Capiendo the H4N worked great connected to the DJ mixer. I got some great audio from that for the speeches. Not so much on during the ceremony. The DJ didn't have a wireless mic so he was able to give them a mic for the speeches at the reception (wired close to him) but not the ceremony. I had my new Sennheiser lav mic on the officiant which worked perfectly. For the groom I had a very cheap lav mic which cut out all of his vowels. His mic did work correctly to pick up the brides vowels but cut out right when he began. I have since purchased another Sennheiser!
+Kris Capiendo I have a couple attenuators as well.
2:05 sneaky Star Wars reference 😂
very nice video! Thanks
Helped a lot dude. Thank you!
Do you have a backup plan in case the DJ's audio is of poor quality? It's rare, but I've had instances where the DJ's wireless signal suffered from interference, making it largely unusable in the video, not to mention intolerable for the guests in attendance. In these instances I've quickly placed another external recorder in front of the speech reader, but it's never as clear as it would've been had then by holding a mic up to their mouth. I've thought about rigging up a my wireless stick mic next to the DJ's stick mic, so the speech readers would talk into two mics at the same time. I've also thought about attaching lavs to the speech readers just in case the DJ's audio goes awry. Your thoughts are appreciated.
Thank you so much Craig!!
Very helpful for a newbie to audio! Thank you! Away to look at your gear list...
Thank you very much for sharing your know-how!
You would have to explain everything Exa. How to connect mixer to Dr-60 with RCA cable...e.t.c....
is it possible to actually see this happen in a real wedding scenario ?
right, ive never seen anybody actually do this
Exactly. I need this!
THANK YOU :)
No problem 😊
Will it be a good option to use ZOOM H6?
Why 1/4" to 1/4"? The single male connector end would most likely only fit into a phones Jack on the DJs mixer, which would be unavailable because they would be using it for phones already. I can't think of where else you'd be able to plug in that quarter TRS (stereo) on the mixing board. I would imagine RCA tape out to 1/4" would be better and more efficient
Super helpful video, Thank You! We have a Tascam DR 70. We are filming a wedding soon and wanted to get our settings dialed correctly. I know nothing about audio so I'll post what we currently have, if anyone has advice I'd love to know it!
We have channels 1&2 recording from the EXT_stereo input. Gain = Mid. Phantom power is off. Ch 1 = left pan. Ch 2= right pan
Should we record a 3rd channel? Any advice is much appreciated!
oh man, you saved my day!!
Good info - thanks!
Great video. However , I'm confused.... At 5:01 you say the line input is for low signals but then you proceed to says the sound board sends out a high signal and should be plugged into the line inputs ???? Am I missing something?
Mdelbeck1 I think he meant to say "mic input" sry I'm a year late...
Can you use Zoom H4 as a recording device instead? This Tascam seams to tech/pro for me.
Yes
cool video!
Where into the mixer do these go in? I had a DJ that plugged into the headphone jack and the audio came out with static noise
Nice video! I have the Roland R-05 and didn't know that tidbit of info about using Line Level from the DJ. Does the Zoom H4N accept Line IN audio as well?
Please help I have 2 1/4 to a 2 1/4 wire and I want to record stereo, from a dj (loud music ) how do I connect and set it up . And what settings are best . I have a tascam dr 40
Alot of you asked really good questions that I am curious about also to bad it doesn't seem like he responds to comments like most Vloggers do....
Great tips bro! I have the Zoom H2n, and it has 'line in' port. So can it handle the higher signal that you mentioned?
5:27 - Would the TASCAM DR-05 work better, like no pecking when use on the mixer?
Hey...Can you maybe do a reaction video to your first or second wedding and like tell us what you would do better now that you know a lot. That would help us all I think
XLR to XLR? Would this not give you only a one channel recording? I own H5 and search for the best solution for DJ desk.
Just experienced this problem, although technically you could use some "post" magic but if you change your input settings to "mono mix - on". That should technically do the trick. But I would just use (2) XLR inputs with (2) attenuators.
thank you, I just wish it was more practical showing the actual connections to the mixer for novice like me
We have other, better videos on the same topic
**makes video about audio... audio in video clips**
Thanks for the video! Great info.
You da best Kraigggg
Oh you cleared so many doubts... However I would be grateful if you could help me with the following doubt:
I am a Wedding DJ and I use Allen & Heath ZED-6FX...(t says Live Recording)..but there r no videos or demos to guide me how to use it.
I also use Thump 15'' Mackie Speakers along with Thump 18'' Mackie Subwoofers.
Kindly advice me how to go ahead with recording my shows.
Regards
Can you help me how to set up the dr60D to the mixxer ? Im new to the audio & gonna get the dr60D ii for my friend wedding video ! Please help
at 5:02 you say "line input", don't you mean "mic" input? Because moments later you say, use the line input, it's much better...
Check our most recent video on wedding day audio, posted about 2 months ago or so, as it's more updated!
So I have the roland r-05 to record with the dj board. Is there anyway you can explain some of the switches to it? For example what should the mic gain, limiter, and low cut be set to? Also should i be messing with any of the other stuff(Finder, Speed, Reverb, AB)?
I also have the dr 60. What is the best record slash input setup? Only seems to record a mono with two inputs slash cables going at same time.
Great video nice info
thx a lot!
Do you use roland recorder just for its ability to take line level input? Do Zoom and Tascam not have that option?
hi. great video. learn alot. and just one question if i recording using zoom h6 i don't need attenuator ?
I plan on using the Zoom H1 to record out of the mixer (I know he says I won't be able to use it) but I've seen other filmmakers using it to record out of (its all I can afford right now) but I plan on using double RCA cables to RCA female splitter into a female 3.5mm w/ an attached 3.5mm attenuator and hooking that on my Zoom H1. Will that fix the clipping that you will usually get without a attenuator?
Probably the best video that I've found on this. Thank you, this helped out a lot
Looks tuff but once you get it down it should be easy also costs a good benjamin or two . Get a good solution of things to buy . Or write it down
So would you suggest recording the board audio over recording with a lav mic set up? Im on a pretty small budget but I already have a cheap lav mic and would like to record better sound.
HELP PLEASE
3:55 where do you normally plug the 1/4 into the mixer? the headphone out? or the main out? the main out has both L and R right? so don't you need two 1/4" to 1/4" cables?
Question: Would U happen to know Where on the Zoom HN4 Pro U connect on the Line Level signal from a mixer other than Attenuators in the XLR ports? The Head Phone/Line 3.5mm Jack on the left side or the 3.5 mic jack on the top rear just below the on board mics?
Hey @HoundDogMech you would be better using the 1/4" in the bottom of the H4N Pro. Use TRS (balanced) and you will be fine.
at around 5 minutes, you discussed the line in port and mic port, however you said the line in that we arent really gonna use it but then at 5:18, you said "instead use the line port" as the plug in for the mixer. i'm confused. which one is it?
+Sam Freed Your correct here Sam, thanks for catching the mistake! I just added an annotation onto the video and hopefully that will help clear up any future confusion. I meant to say "mic input" at that moment instead of "line input".
You recommended the "Zoom H5 Four-Track Portable Recorder" on your professional page. Do you use the Tascam Dr-70D or the Zoom H5 for the board audio? And other than that, do you just use the Tascam DR-10L to mic people up for Audio? Last question I had was about syncing the audio with the video that you take; how do you do that?
I don't know why but I'm having trouble understanding how to record the dynamic microphone audio at the same time as amplifying it.
Thanks for that. Someone suggested i use an RI box. Do you think its necessary, particularly for someone starting out on a low budget?
hi - do you have any recommendations on what cables to use to record mixing board audio to DSLR directly? is this method even recommended?
can the zoom h5 handle the same as the h6??
Male XLR to 6.35mm Stereo TRS Jack. Would this work for H5 to mix desk? By the way. Would you use 1 XLR or Two at once? Thanks.
Help guys please! Filming my first wedding for my buddy. I have a zoom h4n pro. I spoke to the DJ and he said that most of the videographers connect xlr to his speaker. Is this good/bad? Should I abort this option and go with a 1/4” set up instead?
what did you end up doing?
Cory Nardis recorded through the speaker but the audio levels peaked like crazy. I should have recorded the volume at a much lower setting (I had it set at 50%)
Can i recorder a speaker for a wedding straight from the sound board if they are mic up with a wireless lav mic . what would the levels look like for that or would just suggest a recorder on him with an addition lav mic. or can is there a splinter for the lav mic that goes straight to the wireless pa system and a his on person recorder
Dude, can I directly plugin dual 1/4 cable into Mixer and the other end 3.5mm to DSLR? Do I need anything in between?
Any recommendation on using an H4N Zoom Pro with a DJM 900 Nexus 2? I've been trying to figure out how to get the cleanest audio possible with the correct settings on the H4N but haven't quite nailed it yet.
I'm a DJ, and run into videographers wanting to connect into my mixer. I don't have issues doing it. The problem occurs when they connect to the back of my speaker. It either lowers my output, or basically shuts off the speaker. I believe it may have something to do with phantom power perhaps? Is that something somebody here can explain. I don't have an audio receiver, but is there a setting to turn off phantom power?
What do you think about those spliters?
I am a DJ who is helping to run audio out of my board to our videographer for an upcoming wedding. My question is where you plug in that doesn't also get the music. I use top of the line Yamaha mixers but only have a single output for the board, not for each channel. How do you get mic audio only?
I have Tascam DR 40 and find that after half an hour the timing Crystals will start to drift which makes it hard to syn up later in post!
Do other have this problem and are there better recorders that don't suffer So much from this problem??
Hi, Can a zoom h5 do the job instead? Since it has an “input pad of -20db” internally. Thanks in advance.
what db should I set my tascam DR-40X to for a wedding?
What about Zoom H4n if I don't have enough money to buy Zoom H6? Is there big difference between them?
Hello Kraig,
I have a sony ICD-UX560F it doesn't have option to reduce line in level... what should i do??
Does the tascam take quarter to quarter?
I have a Zoom F6 32 bit float and sometimes coming out of the DJ's speakers with an XLR using a -20 db attenuater the signal is still clipping. What are the options when I can't get a output from their audio board
Thanks
Are you on mic or line levels?
@@WeddingFilmSchool line levels Craig
First, Kraig isn't a part of this channel anymore. The video you commented on is WAYYYYY old. Watch our more recent stuff. Second, you shouldn't need an attenuator at all if your recorder can do line / mic levels and beyond that if you're recording 32 bit float it should be INCREDIBLY difficult (though not technically impossible) to clip. I would imagine this is a problem in your settings or with the dj's signal or something where it isn't actually clipping - Bobby
If the Tascam DR-60D has a dual mono mode in which it records 2 mono signals - with the second signal at a lower volume, why go from the soundboard to the Tascam with a dual TRS input? Wouldn't that be like recording 4 signals?
If you're lucky, there will be a fully mixed mono output from the board and you won't be feeding in stereo. In that case, the dual mono is just for safety. What I've had to do on a couple of occasions when only stereo was available--and the source was so wildly variable that I felt I needed a lower level backup--is to use adapters to record stereo on channels 1 and 2 at one level and then into the 3mm 3/4 channels to record at a lower level.
I have a Zoom h2n with a 3.5 mic input but no xlr port. If I buy a 3.5 to XLR cable should I get one with male or female XLR?
Hello, I was just wondering if you have any other options for recorders that would be able to record audio from the board that are less expensive.
thanks for this video. just one quick question. do you also run a backup recorder just in case something happens to the DJs board? if so, how do you do it?
Nice tutorial. I have a question. When you shot a wedding, how do you know how much input level must put it on your zoom h1, when it work with a lavalier mic? Thanks.
+Luis Miguel Silva Do a test before hand. Put it on yourself and talk at a normal volume. Check the audio file on your computer, if it's to loud, lower the input and try again! Do the prep work before even getting to the wedding.
I was trying to connect directly from the DJ's speaker on my first trial wedding this past weekend and as you mentioned, the signal was far too hot. my levels were at 2 or 3 out of 100 and the audio still sounded very messy and crunchy even though it didn't read any clipping. any suggestions on how to record cleaner audio straight from the speakers? I have a zoom h4n. thanks!
I bought a h1n ! Which lav do you recommend ? Thank you !
Kraig, would a Zoom H4n Pro work with board audio as opposed to just an H1? Just bought a TON of gear so I can't really buy anything else right now.
Hi there,
Im a bit new in audio, sorry if some of the questions are too obvious.
I need to record an event (people talking) and I need to get the sound from the mixer. The XlR are taken and also the mixer is very far from where I will put my camera(professional camera with XLR)... I'm gonna record the sound separately with my Tascam DR-60D MKii, the mixer at the venue is a "JBSYSTEMS MM-10".I have a cable wich is 1/4" balanced Jack to XLR, so I guess I could plug one side of the cable, the 1/4" Jack into the mixer and the XLR into my Tascam I have few questions.
1- Are the all the output from a regular mixer Line Level?
2- Can I connect any of the Mixer output to my tascam...XLR,6.5mm TR Jack,Auxiliar Sends,Subgroups..etc Is there any different btw them?
3- Can I use the headphones output from the Mixer to record the sound into my Tascam or professional camera?
My Tascam has Line Level
1000 time Thanks you!!
I want to know from TASCAM DR-60D MKII recrder can record live musical show from mixer to this recorder directly or need any other part to connect those two. i mean big mixer and this recorder.
Well, it needs the proper adapter cables. Otherwise, it can handle the signal.
Thanks!
ok.. since this video is of the topic, here is the question again.. "Hi, just came to ur channel.. great stuff.. I hope am not late, i have a little question.. i moved from 5d2 to 5d3, and am used to dual channel sound recording (Internal + External on 2 cannels) on Magic Lantern for 5d2.. Which seems to be missing on 5d3.. have u got a solution for this or a workaround without investing much on additional gear, especially i wish not to add extra gear on what i am to carry around.. Thanks." PS.. why i do so, it is only a backup.. sometimes if sound is too loud on one channel, u can always work with the not too great internal recording..
hey there. pls help. have you ever come across with the sound/dj guy at the wedding that when you connect your recorder with them. not all of them but sometimes than you pick a soft hum sound with your recorder. I heard people say that it has something to do with the earth power connection from the dj or even the buildings earth connection. is there any solution to that?
what is a good Mah external battery to buy?
What settings do you use for the dr-60 to record DJ sound board? Great video! Thanks for the help!
That was my question also...It's not full explanation
Is the H4n Pro good for this?
I apologize for this off topic question but I'm really curious about the background during this video. Is it black paper? I noticed it was keyed out during your review video, but it just seems too perfect to be green screen! if it is black paper, I'm especially curious how you managed to get that slightly off black color without getting a lot of noise. sorry again and thanks!
+Sam Walter Official He's at the TH-cam space, where Kraig can use the studio to record youtube videoes... :)
Hey Craig! Have a question for line in recording. On my Tascam DR 40 I will do a quarter inch line in from their audio board but it always seems to come up extremely quiet on my tascam dr 40. My inputs go up to 20 when i'm on line it so that doesn't really help either. is that the DJ's fault? or is there something else I should do?
Love your channel. I have and H4nzoom record saw your video on how to record board aduio . I want to record a safty track can you help me out.
I don't understand the 1/4 to double 1/4? On the mixer isn't there usually a L and R 1/4 and not a single 1/4 out?
So this video is old, I would recommend checking out our latest video on capturing audio in 2020. However, I recommend a single 1/4 to 1/4 cord and taking audio out of the mic receiver which doesn't have a L and R it's just one. This bypasses the board so any level changes, Eq, music, etc that the dj plays won't affect your signal at all.
@@WeddingFilmSchool Gotcha! I will check that out. The recent wedding I did the guys board didn't have something like that, just a couple L and R's for RCA and 1/4, so I just tapped from his speaker with an XLR in mono, which also kind of sucks because I lose the ability to record a backup in case of clipping.
What are you recording on? Definitely worth upgrading to something that dual records at a lower db level regardless of input ...check out kit link in the description of each video that shows some awesome audio recorders!
@@WeddingFilmSchool thanks! I'm using a zoom H5. I've only recently starting using it for weddings, but all of the cables confuse me. Just not sure what does what, and if I should record mono or stereo. The last wedding I shot, I did mono which doesn't record a - 12 backup because it isn't stereo, but I've read recording mono is okay? Why would I need to record on both inputs for one recording?
Great vid Kraig. Do you find that you get a better signal from 1/4 or XLR, or both will be the same quality if coming from the same source?
+Mitch Phillips Hypothetically if the 1/4" is TRS, it should be exactly the same. If its a TS, it will be ungrounded.