I'm pretty sure that the reference to Abraham's bosom was a literal reference. I say this because when the rich man saw Lazarus there he appealed to Abraham to make Lazarus serve him.
There is one thing we know for sure about the "Apostles Creed". It did not come from the Apostles. However, there are five facts from the scriptures which can be counted on one hand. 1. virgin birth 2. sinless life 3. perfect sacrifice at Calvary 4. resurrection 5, second coming
Doug Wilson is rapidly becoming one of my favorite theologians to listen to. He can speak to both the layman and the well versed. The way he communicates theology is profound yet simplistic. I love his humor and perspective. He's definitely been a blessing to my life.
Mind blown. My husband became a Jehovah’s Witness after we got married and throws all kinds of things at me that I can’t explain. This video was very helpful. Now to watch it 10 more times to get my mind wrapped around it.
Praying that your Christian faithfulness and continued commitment to your husband will have your him abandon that folly and return to the One, True God! Many blessings to you and your family
Agree up to the "absent from the body " verse. It doesn't say that when you are absent from the body that you are automatically present with the Lord, but that he would rather be away from his body and be with the Lord. Reading the verses prior puts this verse in the proper context Saying that while we are alive in this body we are away from being present with the Lord but he would rather be with the Lord. Paradise and Hades are not gone till death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire.
the most comprehensive explanation I have heard so far and I agree with it. I have heard other preachers saying the same things. The belief that Christ suffered in hell is a heresy.
The concept that Jesus went to hell after His death on the cross comes primarily from the Apostles’ Creed, which states, “He descended into hell.” There are also a few Scriptures which, depending on how they are translated, describe Jesus going to “hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead. In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is SHEOL. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent of sheol is hades, which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 gives a clear distinction between hades and the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades, then, is a temporary place. Many people refer to both hades and the lake of fire as “hell,” and this causes confusion. Jesus did not go to a place of torment after His death, but He did go to hades. SHEOL or HADES was a realm with two divisions-a place of blessing and a place of judgment (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27-31). The abodes of the saved and the lost are both generally called “hades” in the Bible. The abode of the saved is also called “Abraham’s bosom” (KJV) or “Abraham’s side” (NIV) in Luke 16:22 and “paradise” in Luke 23:43. The abode of the unsaved is called “hell” (KJV) or “Hades” (NIV) in Luke 16:23. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus died, He went to the blessed side of sheol and, from there, took the believers with Him to heaven (Ephesians 4:8-10). The judgment side of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Ephesians 4:8-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-20. Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10-11 as translated in the King James Version: “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. . . . Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation in this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43); He did not say, “I will see you in hell.” Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to be with the blessed in sheol/hades. Unfortunately, in many versions of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.” Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ’s struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin which would be poured out upon Him on the cross. As Jesus neared death, He said, “It is finished” (John 19:30). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to hades (the place of the dead). Jesus did not go to “hell” or the suffering side of hades; He went to “Abraham’s side” or the blessed side of hades. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes. #
You did a outstanding job explain all this. A lot of christians do not believe this and think he went to heaven when he died.and trying to explain he did not can get hairy fast.
Before I proceed with my reply, allow me to make a disclaimer: I do not wish to sow discord among the brethren over this issue, and I do not dismiss the opposing view as heretical, since it is a debatable matter and the gospel is the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Christ, so whether he went to a good Hades or bad Hades is not damnable heresy. But I would like to challenge your assertions and I really hope you will respond, I would welcome your challenges to my assertion… How can we assert for certain that Abraham’s Bosom/Side is a place? It could literally be Abraham’s Bosom, much in the same way that the disciple whom Jesus loved was reclining in Jesus’s bosom - Lazarus could be leaning against Abraham’s Bosom in heaven. In your third paragraph, you stated that Hades/Sheol has two divisions. Of the verses you cited, Matthew 11:23, Luke 10:15 and 16:23 explicitly describe Hades in a negative manner, additionally Luke 10:15 contracts Heaven as being the opposite of Hades. matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:27-31 are more open to interpretation because you could look at it in two ways: • Hades is only a place of judgement, which is why its gates will not prevail against the church (because we are saved), and that is why in Acts 2:26 Jesus heart rejoiced because his soul would not be left in this awful place. In Psalm 16:9-10 David did rejoice that God would not “leave” his soul in Hell, but this could simply be a prophetic statement about Jesus rather than attributing it to David himself. • Hades could have two divisions as you suppose, which is why the gates will not prevail against the church because NT believers will bypass Abraham’s bosom and go straight to heaven: I find this view unlikely because if there is a paradise side, why would Jesus need to insist that its gates will not prevail against the church, and why did his heart rejoice that he was not left there? (Unless you would argue that his heart rejoiced because he needs to be resurrected regardless of whether Hades was good?) Jesus’s words to the thief on the cross do not necessarily contradict Jesus suffering in Hades, because if we acknowledge his deity in the Godhead, Psalm 139:8 says “If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in , behold, thou art there.” - He is not restricted to one realm as part of the Godhead. In 1 Peter 3:19-20, Jesus preached unto the “spirits in prison, which sometime (long ago) were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah…” - the spirits in this prison must undoubtedly be in torment because of being disobedient and being in prison. Describing Hades as a prison is consistent with 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6. (Unless you would assert that he was preaching across the chasm?) When Jesus said “It is finished” he still needed to go to Hades in any case and rise again… so what was it that was finished? It could be his ministry on Earth or his suffering specifically in the flesh on the cross, not his time in Hades. Those who claim Abraham’s Bosom is a place might be inclined to use John 3:13 to prove that no man has ascended into heaven except Christ. However… what is meant by “ascended”? It could be that Jesus ascended of his own accord, but let us not forget that Elijah was carried into heaven by a chariot of fire. Enoch was “taken away by God” (Hebs/Gen) - I believe these are shadows of Jesus Christ. My key point though is that it is not unfeasible that OT believers did go to heaven, but they did not ascend in the flesh like Jesus did in His resurrected body… Enoch and Elijah were carried and other believers had to die in the flesh. Some additional points to consider: • Psalms 9:17 - If both believers and non-believers go to Sheol, isn’t this judgment of the wicked somewhat meaningless? • Psalms 89:6 - The sons of the mighty could refer to the sons of God (believers) and this verse would imply that they are in heaven • Proverbs 23:14 - if Sheol has a good side, why does the proverbial disciplined son need delivering from it? • Jonah 2:2 - Jonah was afflicted in the belly of the whale which he described as Sheol, he was not in a paradise half of it To close this off, I would also point to the OT offerings that were a shadow of Jesus Christ… consider the burned offerings, that the meat that was sacrificed was also burnt. I think the reason people have a problem with Jesus descending into Hell is not that it cannot be supported by the Bible at all, but this doctrine just so happens to be preached often by a lot of the false prosperity preachers that are out there (who are an embarrassment to the entire faith). However I hope that Speseebo would find time to see my response and reply to the verses and exposition given above, and provide your reply. Sorry for such a long comment. Blessings of God be upon you and remain with you, in Christ our Lord.
Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah: Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; Luk 16:23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Paradise no longer exists, it was a place for the righteous dead to be until Christ came and opened the way to heaven by His atonement. Isa 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: the dead in Christ now go to Heaven to await the Resurrection. after those in Paradise moved to Heaven then Paradise was no more, hell then had more room to enlarge itself for the millions and millions more that would go there.
Matthew 12:40 "For AS JONAH was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Jonah 2:6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains; THE EARTH WITH ITS BARS CLOSED BEHIND ME FOREVER; Yet You have brought up my life FROM THE PIT, O LORD, my God. SO LIKE JONAH....
Betty Nice Luke 24:13-20 (NKJV) 13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day (Sunday) to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him. 17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?” 18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?” 19 And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 “and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. Luke 24:21 (NKJV) “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, TODAY (ie Sunday)IS THE THIRD DAY SINCE these things happened (the Crucifixion). PLAINLY Sunday is the 3rd Day SINCE Saturday is the 2nd Day SINCE Friday is the 1st Day SINCE THURSDAY when “the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him”. Jesus died about 3pm on Thursday and there was a supernatural night darkness from Noon to 3pm.
@Cassus Belli Matthew 12:40 (NKJV) “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The must be 3 days and 3 nights. This is not negotiable! Bodily death, Friday before Sabbath- day 1, Friday evening, (beginning of night 1) Sabbath begins - day 2, Saturday evening (beginning of night 2), Sabbath ends- Sunday morning is same day- day 3. Where is night 3??? Jesus PLAINLY SAYS 3 NIGHTS! Is He a liar 🤥? The answer is He is the Truth. There has to be 3 nights.
@Cassus Belli Luke 24:13-20 (NKJV) 13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day (Sunday daytime) to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. 16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him. 17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?” 18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?” 19 And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 “and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. Luke 24:21 (NKJV) “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, TODAY (ie Sunday)IS THE THIRD DAY SINCE these things happened (the Crucifixion). PLAINLY Sunday is the 3rd Day SINCE Saturday is the 2nd Day SINCE Friday is the 1st Day SINCE THURSDAY when “the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him”. Jesus died about 3pm on Thursday and there was a supernatural night darkness from Noon to 3pm. Amos 8:9-10 (NKJV) 9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD, “That I will make the sun go down at noon, And I will darken the earth in broad daylight; 10 I will turn your feasts into mourning, And all your songs into lamentation; I will bring sackcloth on every waist, And baldness on every head; I will make it like mourning for an only son, And its end like a bitter day.
I need a drawing/diagram to go with this. One of those marker board squeaky illustrations with Doug Wilson’s voice over and someone writing out the Greek words. Pretty please?
@Chaos Phoenix You need an exorcism. See a Priest immediately. In the meantime, "The Lord rebuke you, satan, leave this man and flee into the abyss where you belong. We confess our sins and his to God. In Jesus powerful, Holy Name we pray. Amen."
@Chaos Phoenix Thank you Father God for hearing our prayer. I see how you have rebuked and shaken the devil in this person. Soon he (the devil) will flee the power of Jesus The Christ, the Most High God, the Creator of all, God come in the flesh, Who has thoroughly defeated the devil and his fallen angels. Thank you for showing us, Father. Amen
@Chaos Phoenix If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. Romans Chapter 10, 9-13.
the video is inaccurate. All go to hades which has two compartments, paradise, and torment which are separated by a gulf. When Jesus said '' surely i say to you today, i will see you in paradise' referred to hades.
@@bettynice2340 The Lord died on the evening before sundown on Friday. He was in Jerusalem (the heart of the earth at that time) for 3 days and 3 nights. The last day he was there was the day he resurrected. Here is a video to better understand:
Yes, Medieval and Renaissance art, Pagan influence, and the soft, nominaly-Christian culture that uncritically believes that babies become angels when they die and that Satan is ruling now in Hell, have seriously distorted the fairly straightforward meaning of the words we use today for these things.
One can see this depearture most clearly in Dante's Inferno, in which the Renaissance poet has combined the influence of Classical Pagan poetry and philosophy, a vague Biblical understanding, and a Medival tendency to physicalize and sensationalize Hades/Hell, into something that had a defining impact on the conception of death and Hell in the Western world. And it had very little to do with the Biblical Sheol/Hades.
I stumbled upon Doug Wilson . Wow! Praise the foolish people for listening to re configured garbage. Everything Doug talks about has his Theological .Twist.. Dont confuse faith with anything that Doug spews forth.. Just another Evangelical who is making a living stating fiction as fact.. Believe in God if you wish..but just dont listen to this guys never ending Scripture output..This guy is one continuing parable.. Shale ,Hell, Hades.. an answer for everything... Every thing he says is based on his Fundamentalism. Dont be fooled.. Listen to convoluted words and be objective..
Les Nagy Well since I am an evangelical with fundamentalist leanings I think I will stick with Doug. And if listening to Doug Wilson makes me foolish I will proudly wear that badge. But thank you for your concern :-)
James Clark James this Guy Doug Wilson may sound viable to a Fundamentalist. As an ex Christian i find he has re defined the bible in his own language.If we were to understand Dougs teachings then a common man cannot possibly understand the scriptures..He translates every verse to his understanding and pseudo Intellectual arguments.. He actually babbles on, and in the end actually says nothing.. I have noticed this on all his interviews..A narrow minded Fundamentalist who gives the authoritarian tone to his explanations but leaves the listener thinking only.. What the Fuck are you talking about.. See his explanation on Homosexuality in another video and you will understand why i claim this...I respect your fundamentalist beliefs James, but i cannot accept this guys version of any scripture.. Evangelical Nut job. disguised as Critical thinker. . I thought the bible was for any person to get meaning from .. Listening to Doug it seems none of us were anywhere close to an understanding. Praise the Lord..Just don't Praise this Guy...
James Clark James, I know this was 6 months ago, but I am glad you have found him. I don't agree with everything that he says, but he generally pretty decent.
RE: 9:25 “Many people get their views from heaven and hell from Far Side cartoons.” HAHA!! So true! The best one is of the people in hell having a coffee break and one guy remarks, “Man...! They thought of everything! Even the coffee is cold!” Classic!!
While that may have been true while Gary Larson was publishing, I think that over the centuries, distorted views of heaven and hell can be laid more at the feet of Dante, Milton, and Goethe.
Thank you pastor Doug. I believe you have the most layman-ized explanation of this matter w.c confused me no end...until I heard you!!! Soli Deo Gloria!
It’s my understanding that when Jonah talks about going down to Sheol in regard to him going down into the waters is because Sheol is thought to be a sort of watery abode. Jonah going down into Sheol and being delivered after three days and three nights can be seen as a foreshadowing of Jesus without us needing to come to the conclusion that he physically died. Of course if Jonah did die God could bring him back to life no problem, I just don’t see that in the text.
This is very good. It's what we were literally going to articulate in an upcoming Think Podcast ep. Now maybe we don't have to. We can just refer folks to this video (or we may, but this video will definitely get a hat tip). Thanks.
If I'm ever near Moscow, Idaho I will make a concerted effort to seek out Doug Wilson's church. His expository preaching is vastly superior to that I am hearing on Sunday morning at the SBC church I have been attending.
Fun fact: In Germanic tradition, Hell was actually a cold, icy place where the dishonored dead went. So when Christian missionaries came to the Saxons, Vikings, etc. and began describing Hell as the Bible does, the Germanic people were very confused, as an eternity of "heat" sounded rather appealing, if anything.
From dictionaryDotCom: "before 900; Middle English, Old English hel ( l ); cognate with Old High German hell ( i ) a ( German Hölle ), Old Norse hel, Gothic halja; akin to Old English helan to cover, hide, and to hull." It would all have been less confusing if the original words were just transliterated and carried over from Greek without the chance of culture redefinition. Sheol/Hades and Gehenna never would have been confused as the same thing.
I thought Paul said, " I would rather be absent from the body, and present with the lord " - not - to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord
"What can He ascended mean except that he first descended into the lower earthly regions to preach the Gospel to they which disobeyed long ago?" - The Bible This tells us that while his body was laid to rest in a tomb with the rich, He Himself did descend into He'll, mayhap even into Tartarus, the lowest and deepest and most bitter of places in He'll, though he himself did not become debilitated, but was altogether functional that he might make known the mystery of the Gospel to all 8f God's Creation, even the very depths of petition that he mightblater ascend into heaven 40 days after he was raised from the dead that might, as he is called in the Book of Revelation, be called the Ruler of God's Creation, whose glory fills the Entire Universe. Is it not said in the Book of Isaiah the Prophet, "Every valley shall be exalted and every mountain and hill be brought low?"
Excellent explanation 👏🏻 It lines up well w/ John Barnett’s view (Calvary Bible Church), which I think is the most accurate description of what these places (Hades/Hell/Sheol/The Pit/Gehenna/Torments/etc.) actually are. I do lean more toward ‘The Rich Man and Lazarus’ describing an actual (or perhaps simply, a possible) event, rather than an entirely fictional parable. Great work!
Indeed. It does surprise me when reformed teachers say that Hell/the final torment, doesn't include fire, or torment. I thought the NT was pretty clear, but OK.
The rich man and Lazarus story isn’t a parable, but a historical account as told by Jesus who said “there WAS a CERTAIN beggar named Lazarus … None of Jesus’s parables used real names.
I would ask one question out of many I could from this video, when we die (our bodies) and our spirit returns to the one who gave it, then with what body will we be with the Lord in paradise? And when will this body be given? Because logically and biblically, we cannot be disembodied spirits floating around for all eternity in heaven, we must have a body-soul union and have the Spirit in us to be alive.
Jonah was dead? If he came out from Sheol, then yeah. I was not aware of that. Being dead in a fish in the sea instead of in the earth... that is some specific symbolism right there. I'll have to wait on the Spirit to reveal the meaning of the symbolism.
John11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Jesus went down to Hades to gather up the old testament saints and take them up to heaven. Now there is no longer the paradise side of Hades because of Jesus crucified and resurrected.
I came to faith and got baptized in a non-denominational church. I feel like the Holy Spirit is leading me to the Orthodox Church. Is worth the time to investigate.
@@jamesmoore464 I regret to hear that. I don't know where you live and what options you have, but what I can say is that fellowship, sound biblical teaching centered on Jesus and the gospel, and ministry is vital for us as Christians, so I hope you do find that wherever you decide to go.
@@jamesmoore464 I am certainly biased to my own choices, but I have been a member of an Orthodox Presbyterian Church for almost a year now. Very biblically based teachings, emphasis on emulating the early church for how we structure ours, and adhering to what traditions of man can be confessed directly from the content of the Holy Scriptures. I’d recommend checking out the OPC or some of our sister denominations (PCA, URC, also look up Pastor Matthew Everhard for solid breakdowns of denominational differences). Godspeed, brother!
While I agree with everything Pastor Wilson says here, there are two things I was taught that he doesn't mention. The first has to do with what Christ's spirit was doing while His body lay in the grave. Yes, I believe that His spirit descended into Sheol/Hades to announce to the spirits in prison His victory over death. However, I was taught that additionally, before His bodily resurrection, His spirit ascended into heaven, leading the spirits of the righteous dead with Him from Abraham's bosom into heaven, based on Psalm 68:18 & Ephesians 4:8, which in some translations does not say that "He led captivity captive," but that "He led captives in his train." The second is the identity of the saints who arose from the dead in Matthew 27:52-53. I was taught that these were those saints who had died after John the Baptist had begun his ministry. Unlike the Old Testament saints, who died believing in a future Messiah Who would come one day, these saints died knowing that Jesus is the Messiah. They didn't need Christ to announce Himself to them because they already knew. And what were they doing when they went into Jerusalem? I was taught that they were witnessing to the truth of Christ, although I admit that the Bible doesn't specifically say that.
This is awesome teaching and insight. Everything makes so much sense now. Yes I totally agree that Jesus descended into Hades. Thank you so much Pastor Doug Wilson. The only thing I disagree with is that when we die, we will not immediately be with the Lord, but rather we will have to stand at the Judgement Seat of Christ prior to entering heaven to be with the Lord.
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Hebrews 9:27 "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgement." We are judged straight after death. If we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, we 'wait' in an area in Hades called Paradise or 'Abraham's bosom . There are two sections in Hades (a holding place of the dead) - Hell and Paradise. On judgement day, Hades will cease to exist as the saved will be in Heaven and the damned will be thrown in the Lake of Fire. Jesus descended into hell is not biblical. He was in the 'other' half of Hades. That is why He told the criminal next to Him on the cross "Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Some translations of the word Hades or Sheol as 'hell; is wrong. Blessings.
I am not a theologian. I do want to get to the bottom of dispensational teaching. It looks like the millennial reign has some self identification inconsistencies.
Jesus went to Abraham's bosom to take the believers waiting for him. There are two compartments to hades. One is hell. One is Abraham's bosom. Come on, people. Afterlife 101.
You mentioned Psalms 86 3 For great is your love toward me; you have delivered me from the depths, from the realm of the dead. Sheol is Saul, or Christianity, go back to the original text and you will easily see this
I have understood Sheol to be the abode of the dead, the underworld; and Saul is a personal name meaning "asked for." Aren't you applying the equivocation fallacy when you say these two are the same by using the word "is?" They look the same, yes, but the accent marks are completely different, let alone the definitions. Where does the term "Christianity" come into play?
@@jameskilgore8422 I HEARD BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES AND SOME SECTS THAT ARE ANTI-PAUL. SAY THE SAME THING. NOT BEING RACIST BUT ALOT OF THESE BHI SAY THIS.
Sheol : grave Hades: grave Tartarus: the bottomless pit Gehenna: Jerusalem's rubbish dump in the days of Yahshua. Look it up. The word "hell" is NOT in the scripture. Bless you.
Letthere belight Given the Bible has long been translated into English, I think you might well add the English translation of the hebrew, 'Sheol' and Greek, 'Hades' being the grave as you have stated. Unfortunately the early Roman Catholic Church having adopted the pagan (Greek) immortal soul concept, had to invent Purgatory and Limbo once they reinvented the grave. 'Hell' All this because they ignored Scripture which states that before Christ no one had gone to Heaven etc etc. Once one lie is accepted as truth, many other lies must be invented and adopted.
@@jackjones3657 the only part you have wrong is that they will be put to death, due to free will are going to be seperated from God. Read Rev 19,20 and 21 again.
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." Romans 1:22 "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, 'He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.' " 1 Corinthians 3:19 The Word of God is speaking of you, and others like you, my friend. "In whom the god of this world has blinded the eyes of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:4
Are we limiting the punishment that Jesus took on my behalf? If I deserve hell, did Jesus take this too in his sacrifice? I'm afraid to limit what Jesus has done, can do, and is doing.
I would love to know Pastor Wilson’s thoughts on the conjectural emendation of 1 Peter 3:19 suggested by EJ Goodspeed, and others. Compare 1 Peter 3:18-20 in E.J. Goodspeed (The New Testament - An American Translation, 1923): ... but he was made alive in the Spirit. In it *Enoch* went and preached even to those spirits that were in prison, who had once been disobedient, when in Noah’s time ... And Goodspeed’s comment: “The spirits in prison are not the departed, who are never spoken of in this way, but the fallen angels mentioned in Gen. 6:1 - 7:4 ... The reference is unmistakably to the story of the mission of Enoch to these fallen angels described in the Book of Enoch ... chapters 12 - 16. The name “Enoch” may have dropped out of the Greek text by an error of the eye after “In which also” (ENΩKAI), with which it might easily be confused (ENΩKAIENΩΧ) or possibly the repeated mention of the Son of Man in Enoch 69:26-29 may have led to the ascription to Christ of Enoch’s preaching to the fallen angels. But, in any case, the reference is to the account of Enoch, chapters 12-16, not to a ministry to the dead.” Edgar J. Goodspeed, Problems of New Testament Translation, Univ. of Chicago Press, 1945
Matthew Griffin God made Hell for the devil and his fallen angels. He would never give Satan the keys of this place of captivity just as a criminal never gets the keys of his cell.Jesus got the keys of Hell from His Father.All authority in heaven and on earth and below the earth belongs to Jesus Matthew 28;18 Philippians 2:10.
_"If Christ had died only a bodily death, it would have been ineffectual. No - it was expedient at the same time for him to undergo the severity of God’s vengeance, to appease his wrath and satisfy his just judgment. For this reason, he must also grapple hand to hand with the armies of hell and the dread of everlasting death. A little while ago we referred to the prophet’s statement that "the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him," "he was wounded for our transgressions" by the Father, "he was bruised for our infirmities" [Isaiah 53:5 p.]. By these words he means that Christ was put in place of evildoers as surety and pledge - submitting himself even as the accused - to bear and suffer all the punishments that they ought to have sustained. All - with this one exception: "He could not be held by the pangs of death" [Acts __2:24__ p.]. No wonder, then, if he is said to have descended into hell, for he suffered the death that, God in his wrath had inflicted upon the wicked! Those who - on the ground that it is absurd to put after his burial what preceded it - say that the order is reversed in this way are making a very trifling and ridiculous objection. The point is that the Creed sets forth what Christ suffered in the sight of men, and then appositely speaks of that invisible and incomprehensible judgment which he underwent in the sight of God in order that we might know not only that Christ’s body was given as the price of our redemption, but that he paid a greater and more excellent price in suffering in his soul the terrible torments of a condemned and forsaken man."_ (Calvin's "Institutes II". 16. 10) How can anybody take this as an allegory? It seems pretty clear to me that Calvin was positing the belief that Jesus spiritually descended into hell where he faced the horrors of spiritual death, only to be raised from the dead and receive His glorified body.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Hades is not mentioned in the word of God. King James 1611. HELL is many times.
Pretty interesting the text states that Saul precieved that it was Samuel. Not making it clear that it was actually Samuel. Makes sense that the Torah states not to speak to the dead.
You called the story of Lazarus and the Rich man a “parable”. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe it’s a metaphorical story, I think it’s a real story.
it is a real story. Notice how Abraham said to the rich man in the parable "Now lazrus is AT PEACE and you are tormented"?? Well, in the old testament in the book of Genesis God Promised Abraham in Genesis 15:15 that he would gather Abraham to his fathers IN PEACE" and then in this parable Abraham and Lazrus were in peace. In other words, this parable gives us a better understanding as to what God meant in Genesis 15:15 about sending Abraham to his fathers in peace.
@ JEFF also note that heaven, and hades are NOT apart of the physical universe. They are not out there somewhere in outter space that if you fly far enough you will get there. They are apart of a separate dimension to which the doors open up for you to get to.
Anonymous Anonymous that sounds good and all, but do you have any verse to back that up? Fyi, I’m a flat earth believer so I don’t believe in outer space. I believe the FIRMAMENT, which is mentioned 17 times in the Bible, 9 times in Gen 1 KJV alone, is firm and beaten out like metal. Not a galaxy full of planets. Point is, I’m taking the Bible literally unless states as a parable/vision/dream, etc. I believe that Sheol is located right below us and it has the 2 compartments in it, Abraham’s bosom and Hades/hell.
Anonymous Anonymous I like your break down! That’s how I like to do Bible studies. It’s actually hard to find friends that would make the connection you just made. AT PEACE...great understanding brother.
Christus Mea Lux I’ve seen the Daytona guy before. He is big on moon images and videos. Thanks for sharing! I’m gonna watch it now. The FIRMAMENT aka DOME of the earth for anyone else...is so fascinating!
DW- I track you on the pre-resurrection state and after. Q) How does "Lead captivity captive" - ie up to 3rd heaven correlate to Rev 20 and the First resurrection and Daniel 12:2?
This is great stuff. The creeds can be a profit to your faith if you understand where they are coming from with the wording and translations that came from them.
Basically, Hades is a place where souls go to sleep. After Jesus Crucifixion, the souls in Hades were allowed to enter Heaven. This is because nobody could enter Heaven without Jesus Atoning for their sins.
@@peacelove6455 part true. The soul is the person him or herself. You are a soul you do not have a soul separate from you. And you are so right that no one has entered into heaven before Jesus. John saw a number, 144000 standing with Jesus on heavenly Mt. Zion, these are the only ones brought from the earth. They are there for a reason or reasons. To rule as kings with the King Jesus. And to heal obedient mankind of all the things that has plagued us, when sin entered the world. Rev. 14: 1-3 Rev. 5: 9-10. They will even end death!
@@peacelove6455 In places, the Bible does describe the souls in Sheol as resting or sleeping, but in Luke 16 it also describes some of the souls there as being in torment. I would say, don't take the word "sleep' too literally here. Just like the words "life" and "death," it sometimes has to be interpreted spiritually rather than literally.
His descent to the underworld is alluded to in the New Testament in 1 Peter 4:6, which states that the "good tidings were proclaimed to the dead". The Catholic Catechism interprets Ephesians 4:9, which states that "[Christ] descended into the lower parts of the earth", as also supporting this interpretation.
@@MrTwinsrule, I have noticed that the money preachers always teach that Jesus went into hell after death and was tortured and beaten further. They have been teaching this false doctrine for a very long time. Money preachers= Kenneth Copland, Joyce Meyers, etc....
Very Good answer! Would you like to know the real mystery of Christ under the heart of the earth and the time line of the events by using (jewish time which realy is God's)? There is a book that Biblically proves avery theory wrong to the core, Romans 3:4 says: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, God also said in Isaiah 28:13: But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here (from the old Scriptures) a little, and there (from the new Scriptures) a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken when proven wrong. I' am the author of that book called: the Sign of Jonah and the real Passion of the Christ by Celedonio Miranda, available on amazon kindle books. there you will find the truth about this so controversial doctrine and more mysteries unveiled plain and clear, Peace to you
Thank you! So are you saying that no one goes to Hades or Sheol permanently? The last resurrection everyone will be caught up into heaven to be with the Lord forever? What about atheists, agnostics and murderers who have not confessed?
Actually, after the general resurrection and the final judgement, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. The righteous seem to populate both, but I don't want to make any definitive distinctions about who is where, like the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses do. Maybe the saints can travel back and forth between heaven and earth in eternity, I dunno. But I think your real question is about the fate of the wicked. No, Christianity does not teach universalism, that is, that all will be saved. The wicked dead are currently in hell, awaiting their resurrection and final judgement. After that, they will be thrown body and soul into the Lake of Fire, which the Bible describes as the outer darkness. (Compare Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, Matthew 25:30, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10, Revelation 20:14, Revelation 20:15, and Revelation 21:8.) As bad as hell is, the Lake of Fire is even worse.
When men die the breath of life leaves their body and returns to GOD. On the last day GOD will resurrection all bodies and breathe life back into them for the final judgement. Death is described as a sleep.Job 14:12
Jordan Lindo False. Today you will be with me in paradise to the murderer on the cross. Recieve my Spirit said Stephen. Elia and Moses were on the mountain. We will be with Jesus when we die, but in a temporal place until judgement. Soul sleep is a heresy condemned YEARS ago
I promise you today, you will be with me in paradise. Not today you will be with me. "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." John 20:17
Immortal Soul is true heresy because it tells Man he is like GOD and he cannot die. Which comes from the serpent. "The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!" Gen 3:5
Last time i checked God says Hell was created for the devil and his angels- Would Christ suffer in such a place reserved for the devil and his children?
Once again, a preacher that adds huge pieces to the Bible to try and make their argument valid. It would make no sense for Paradise to be emptied and taken into heaven, considering there is only ONE Judgement DAY! Why would sinners still go to torments? What would be the purpose of judgement day, if all of the sinners who aren't getting into Heaven are already in torments and those who are saved, would be in heaven? It makes God look stupid when preachers have this mindset.... EVERY MAN WILL BE JUDGED ON JUDGEMENT DAY. I love how I've never seen a preacher even contemplate that Jesus went back down to Paradise. That makes much more sense, than to say God is going to have judgement day for no reason.
it could be argued that people who never heard of Jesus who die go to Abraham bussom and on judgement both the sinners in the tormented part and those in Abraham bussom will be judged. those in the side of peace, if they are in the book of life will go into heaven. Rev 20 seems to talk about this when it says death and hell give up their dead. idk if death is referring to Abraham bussom. someone can argue that where Lazarus was has not disapear because the bible doesn't say so. these people who go there will be judged on their works. sinners in hell will be judged on their works to receive greater/less punishment in the lake of fire.. Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Would you like to know the real mystery of Christ under the heart of the earth and the time line of the events by using (jewish time which realy is God's)? There is a book that Biblically proves avery theory wrong to the core, Romans 3:4 says: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, God also said in Isaiah 28:13: But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here (from the old Scriptures) a little, and there (from the new Scriptures) a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken when proven wrong. I' am the author of that book called: the Sign of Jonah and the real Passion of the Christ by Celedonio Miranda, available on amazon kindle books. there you will find the truth about this so controversial doctrine and more mysteries unveiled plain and clear, Peace to you
2.36 Absolutely agree Jonah died , went to sheol and was then resurrected and deposited on the beach. I know my opinion is worthless but does anyone know why so many christians think Jonah was alive inside the stomach of a fish for three days because the text is clear he was in Sheol (the place of the dead).
Well, these words in Greek were coined by pagans who lived long before Jesus was born. The Greek words referred to concepts of the pagan Greek religion, not to Biblical religion. However, when the New Testament was written, it was written in Greek, so Greek words were adapted to the Hebrew concepts. The word "Gehenna" originially referred to the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem, and the word appears as "Gehenna" in the gospels in Greek. Jesus used Gehenna as a picture of what hell is like. In Revelation chapters 19 through 21, the Lake of Fire is described. It is not hell exactly, but an even worse place. Hell is described as being emptied into the Lake of Fire at the end of time. In 2nd Peter 2:4, the word "Tartarus" is used, but I'm not sure if that refers to hell or to the Lake of Fire.
He could have been speaking to many different spirits during those 3 days, But I personally believe that the 1 Pet. 3 passage gives us a big hint as to who some of them may have specifically been. It specifies that they were spirits from the time of Noah, and building of the ark. If you hold to the supernatural view of Gen 6:1-4 there were some extremely important (to history/mankind’s trajectory) “spirits” that were on the earth during that time; the Sons of God that mated with human women, or “Watchers” according to the Book of First Enoch. My belief is that 1 Pet is referring to those fallen entities, and that He was declaring his permanent victory to them during those 3 days. They did start a cosmic seed war, and attempt to destroy the human race through genetic means - why Noah’s family with “perfect generations” was vital. Which if they were successful would have destroyed the possibility of a human savior. So does make logical sense that He may have wanted to personally deliver the news to them. And if you put any stock in the book of First Enoch, it states that the Watchers were bound in the earth until the final judgment: “And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated.”
The harrowing of "hell" is the traditional interpretation of scriptures. This would be hades/sheol. He is victorious over death hence "harrowing". Nevermind the distinction between the sheol and gehenna how can one reconcile what Calvin says with whats the plain meaning and traditional interpretation of scripture?
This mixing of different religions' afterlife regions is rather confusing. The Greek Hades, encompassing Elysium and Tartarus, the Hebrew Sheol and Gehenna (a valley outside of Jerusalem where followers of Caananite gods sacrificed their children by fire), and the Anglo-Saxon/Norse Hel. This looks like people borrowing concepts from other religions to tell their story, all apparently fictitious and contrived. Why would a book authored by God, to tell people the way of salvation, be so confusing?
Wow, finally someone that believes the Bible, believes Jesus, and understands. Matthew 13:34-35 KJVS All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: [35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Canon Press>>This is how I explain what the bible teaches about what happens to a person after they are dead and before they are resurrected from death, the time in between when life come to an end and entering into the time after death and then when the dead person is resurrected from the dead time, the time of entering back into the land of the living, is that as us mortal beings are subjected to the laws of death, And that the mortal man when he has died is sleeping, as many verses in the bible both new and old refer to this state or condition as being sleep, the sleep of death, sleeping with the fathers, sleeping in the dust of the earth, and so on... But in the situation of the death of the Son of God, this was different, Jesus was not a sinner, and Jesus had the Spirit of God in him, and so Jesus when his flesh and blood body was dead and hanging from the cross, he then being the actual Spirit of God at that point in time, Jesus very well could have done anything that he wanted to do, because Jesus was not technically dead at that point in time, because he had not sinned in his entire life, and so that the law of sin and death would have worked to his advantage, as the Ezekiel 18:20 says that the soul that sinneth shall die, and Jesus was a person who was with out sin, and not only that but Jesus was also the Son of God. but it doesn`t mean that the state or condition of mortal man at death has been changed, the new testament has references of persons who died after Jesus death burial and resurrection and his return to his Father in heaven, and it still is in effect, that the dead are asleep, and even if Jesus had awakened a bunch of dead sinners and took them out of this state or condition of the dead when at the time that he was resurrected, it in no way proves that the bible teaches that dead fallen mortal humanity does not sleep at the time of their death, As the book of Acts state in the example of when Stephen was stoned to death,> Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. > And neither does the apostle Paul seems to suggest that the sleep of death condition for mortal humanity has been eliminated, of whom he was there at the stoning of Stephen.> 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, >1 Thessalonians 4:13-15 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. > Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.>John 5 28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. > So, with these resurrection verses, all are clear that they show that punishment of the unjust and life being awarded to the just, comes after the resurrection from the grave, and not before the resurrection, so it would seem that neither Damnation or everlasting life doesn`t come into effect before resurrection but only after resurrection, so these verses are teaching that a punishing hell for a mortal dead not to be save human doesn`t happen until after being resurrected from death, and that sleep is the only conclusion for what happens to a dead mortal person when the after death time has occurred and in the time before being raised from the dead. Straight from the Bible. This is what the bible teaches.
Marc Tesio > The rapture is a word being used to name the effect of the described occurrence from two passages from apostle Paul epistles and linking together with gospel teachings concerning the coming of the son of man at the end of the world. The rapture is more about the resurrection of the dead at the time of the return of the Messiah when he begins to reign in his kingdom on earth, it is when our Lord comes and restores the rule of the creator over the earth, and begins his ministering of the creators rule over the planet and destroying the rule of Satan, which when Adam and Eve lost the dominion right when they became followers of Satan by disobeying the will of the creator, and so when the messiah returns, he will have all the dead who are faithful in the faith brought back to life at that point in time, and then the Messiah and the resurrected believers will then be alive forever more, of course the scripture does mention the overcomers being given to eat of the fruit of the tree of life. Revelation 2:7, It is my opinion that the believers of that time when these scriptures were written, that they believed that the return coming of the Messiah would happen in their life time, and the way that the writer Paul addressed this was with his, `Then we which are alive and remain statement ` was his way of dealing with the concerns of that day.1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 For the ADONAY himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of ELOHIYM: and the dead in MASHIYACH shall rise first:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the ADONAY in the air: and so shall we ever be with the ADONAY.
The word DEAD is a misnomer, one cannot be in a state of deadness per-se. The thing is that the word DIE is a bloody verb mate. You DO it, and it is done, over.
Wasn't Hel the Viking's goddess ruler of Hel? Divided into Hel and the Misty Hel (aka Niflheim I believe), where the souls of those who did not die gloriously and unafraid in battle reside? Hel could be a pleasant place, although nowhere near as sweet as Valhalla in Asgard, if I remember those sagas correctly, but the Misty Hel was a dark tormenting region of clouds where evil souls were punished by ...dark elves, or something like that. The forces of Hel and the Fire Giants will attack Asgard.
Yes, Hel was a goddess who ruled over Hel, the realm of the dead, just like Hades ruled over Hades in Greek mythology. I imagine the partitioning of Hel into several different realms was caused by exposure either to Greco-Roman mythology or Christianity (or both). Although Wikipedia gives the etymology of "Hel" as being related to "hall," my Old English professor in college said it was related to "hole," giving the conception that hell is in "the heart of the earth" just like Sheol is. The Catholic conception of hell includes limbo, which is sort of the outskirts of hell. Limbo is the place where unbaptized infants go. While it is a pleasant place (like Abraham's bosom), and unbaptized infants go there because they have no personal sin, it is still hell because its inhabitants are deprived of the Beatific Vision. Homer's vision of Hades seems to be a bit aberrant. In the _Odyssey,_ he has Ulysses sail far to the west until he reaches Hades.
5:58..."Jesus locates Paradise in the heart of earth,but at the time of Paul the paradise is associated with Heaven"...Really??? That makes no sense. Jesus proclaiming for 3 days to the spirits in Hades??? The Greek language "koine"didn't have commas.When Jesus said in Luke 23:43 43- And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” it shows where actually the comma should be placed considering that paradise wasn't in the heart of earth as Doug is trying to suggest.If Jesus was already in Paradise the same day why would he be going somewhere else on the 3rd day and left the thief on his own?The Paradise in Hades?By the time of Paul shifted to different location this time to heaven?Can't you see it doesn't make any sense??? The act of his ressurection is the proclamation of his victory over death in itself - fallen angels incl. Satan(spirits)were cause of death of people by deceiving Adam and Eve.Therefore Jesus' ressurection was the proclamation to these spirits that human death will have no power over people when he arrives at the right time to ressurect the chosen ones.And that is supposed to take place in the end of times not before. Ap. Paul explained that very well in a letter to Corinthians that each one will be resurrected in his own rank, “Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.” (1Co 15:20, 23). In a letter to Thessalonians: "For this is what we tell you by Lord’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first." So even the villain to whom Jesus said "today" couldn't be ressurected the same day according to ap. Paul's letters, neither wandering in Hades as a spirit as he is "asleep in death" like all those who are in Hades . In the Christian Greek Scriptures, Tartarus is a prisonlike abased condition into which the disobedient angels of Noah’s day were cast. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar·ta·roʹo (to “cast into Tartarus”) does not signify that “the angels who sinned” were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus.It indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God’s bright purposes. Darkness also marks their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil.
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I'm pretty sure that the reference to Abraham's bosom was a literal reference.
I say this because when the rich man saw Lazarus there he appealed to Abraham to make Lazarus serve him.
There is one thing we know for sure about the "Apostles Creed".
It did not come from the Apostles.
However, there are five facts from the scriptures which can be counted on one hand.
1. virgin birth
2. sinless life
3. perfect sacrifice at Calvary
4. resurrection
5, second coming
you should try to get Jordan Peterson on your podcast
@Doug Wilson what is your response to this video th-cam.com/video/RFK2HHtp2zs/w-d-xo.html
Doug Wilson is rapidly becoming one of my favorite theologians to listen to. He can speak to both the layman and the well versed. The way he communicates theology is profound yet simplistic. I love his humor and perspective. He's definitely been a blessing to my life.
I just discovered him recently also!
Same. We use his curriculum in the middle school years.
Agreed
Agree with you 100%!!!
Except he believed Jonah died! This is not theologically sound!
Mind blown. My husband became a Jehovah’s Witness after we got married and throws all kinds of things at me that I can’t explain. This video was very helpful. Now to watch it 10 more times to get my mind wrapped around it.
Check out Doug's friend James R White (dividing line) and his church apologia (apologia studios) they have lots of material on that. Blessings to you.
Check out Mike Winger he has some material on JW
He is a cult come away from it
@@johndowney8007 who?
Praying that your Christian faithfulness and continued commitment to your husband will have your him abandon that folly and return to the One, True God! Many blessings to you and your family
This is the second video I've watched of this man. To be honest, this is the best theological communication I've ever heard.
Check out his debate with Christopher Hitchens as well.
Check out some Dr. Michael Heiser and Dr. Chuck Missler as well.
Agree up to the "absent from the body " verse. It doesn't say that when you are absent from the body that you are automatically present with the Lord, but that he would rather be away from his body and be with the Lord. Reading the verses prior puts this verse in the proper context Saying that while we are alive in this body we are away from being present with the Lord but he would rather be with the Lord. Paradise and Hades are not gone till death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire.
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You people are weird
the most comprehensive explanation I have heard so far and I agree with it. I have heard other preachers saying the same things. The belief that Christ suffered in hell is a heresy.
So Jesus did not pay the price for your sin?
Doug Wilson never disappoints. Interesting, articulate and humorous.
This has been my understanding of the texts as well.
The concept that Jesus went to hell after His death on the cross comes primarily from the Apostles’ Creed, which states, “He descended into hell.” There are also a few Scriptures which, depending on how they are translated, describe Jesus going to “hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead.
In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is SHEOL. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent of sheol is hades, which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 gives a clear distinction between hades and the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades, then, is a temporary place. Many people refer to both hades and the lake of fire as “hell,” and this causes confusion. Jesus did not go to a place of torment after His death, but He did go to hades.
SHEOL or HADES was a realm with two divisions-a place of blessing and a place of judgment (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27-31). The abodes of the saved and the lost are both generally called “hades” in the Bible. The abode of the saved is also called “Abraham’s bosom” (KJV) or “Abraham’s side” (NIV) in Luke 16:22 and “paradise” in Luke 23:43. The abode of the unsaved is called “hell” (KJV) or “Hades” (NIV) in Luke 16:23. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus died, He went to the blessed side of sheol and, from there, took the believers with Him to heaven (Ephesians 4:8-10). The judgment side of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Ephesians 4:8-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-20.
Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10-11 as translated in the King James Version: “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. . . . Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation in this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43); He did not say, “I will see you in hell.” Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to be with the blessed in sheol/hades. Unfortunately, in many versions of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.”
Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ’s struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin which would be poured out upon Him on the cross.
As Jesus neared death, He said, “It is finished” (John 19:30). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to hades (the place of the dead). Jesus did not go to “hell” or the suffering side of hades; He went to “Abraham’s side” or the blessed side of hades. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes.
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Right on, Spaseebo. Good summary of the issues discussed in this video.
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You did a outstanding job explain all this. A lot of christians do not believe this and think he went to heaven when he died.and trying to explain he did not can get hairy fast.
Before I proceed with my reply, allow me to make a disclaimer: I do not wish to sow discord among the brethren over this issue, and I do not dismiss the opposing view as heretical, since it is a debatable matter and the gospel is the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Christ, so whether he went to a good Hades or bad Hades is not damnable heresy.
But I would like to challenge your assertions and I really hope you will respond, I would welcome your challenges to my assertion…
How can we assert for certain that Abraham’s Bosom/Side is a place? It could literally be Abraham’s Bosom, much in the same way that the disciple whom Jesus loved was reclining in Jesus’s bosom - Lazarus could be leaning against Abraham’s Bosom in heaven.
In your third paragraph, you stated that Hades/Sheol has two divisions. Of the verses you cited, Matthew 11:23, Luke 10:15 and 16:23 explicitly describe Hades in a negative manner, additionally Luke 10:15 contracts Heaven as being the opposite of Hades. matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:27-31 are more open to interpretation because you could look at it in two ways:
• Hades is only a place of judgement, which is why its gates will not prevail against the church (because we are saved), and that is why in Acts 2:26 Jesus heart rejoiced because his soul would not be left in this awful place. In Psalm 16:9-10 David did rejoice that God would not “leave” his soul in Hell, but this could simply be a prophetic statement about Jesus rather than attributing it to David himself.
• Hades could have two divisions as you suppose, which is why the gates will not prevail against the church because NT believers will bypass Abraham’s bosom and go straight to heaven: I find this view unlikely because if there is a paradise side, why would Jesus need to insist that its gates will not prevail against the church, and why did his heart rejoice that he was not left there? (Unless you would argue that his heart rejoiced because he needs to be resurrected regardless of whether Hades was good?)
Jesus’s words to the thief on the cross do not necessarily contradict Jesus suffering in Hades, because if we acknowledge his deity in the Godhead, Psalm 139:8 says “If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in , behold, thou art there.” - He is not restricted to one realm as part of the Godhead.
In 1 Peter 3:19-20, Jesus preached unto the “spirits in prison, which sometime (long ago) were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah…” - the spirits in this prison must undoubtedly be in torment because of being disobedient and being in prison. Describing Hades as a prison is consistent with 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6. (Unless you would assert that he was preaching across the chasm?)
When Jesus said “It is finished” he still needed to go to Hades in any case and rise again… so what was it that was finished? It could be his ministry on Earth or his suffering specifically in the flesh on the cross, not his time in Hades.
Those who claim Abraham’s Bosom is a place might be inclined to use John 3:13 to prove that no man has ascended into heaven except Christ. However… what is meant by “ascended”? It could be that Jesus ascended of his own accord, but let us not forget that Elijah was carried into heaven by a chariot of fire. Enoch was “taken away by God” (Hebs/Gen) - I believe these are shadows of Jesus Christ. My key point though is that it is not unfeasible that OT believers did go to heaven, but they did not ascend in the flesh like Jesus did in His resurrected body… Enoch and Elijah were carried and other believers had to die in the flesh. Some additional points to consider:
• Psalms 9:17 - If both believers and non-believers go to Sheol, isn’t this judgment of the wicked somewhat meaningless?
• Psalms 89:6 - The sons of the mighty could refer to the sons of God (believers) and this verse would imply that they are in heaven
• Proverbs 23:14 - if Sheol has a good side, why does the proverbial disciplined son need delivering from it?
• Jonah 2:2 - Jonah was afflicted in the belly of the whale which he described as Sheol, he was not in a paradise half of it
To close this off, I would also point to the OT offerings that were a shadow of Jesus Christ… consider the burned offerings, that the meat that was sacrificed was also burnt.
I think the reason people have a problem with Jesus descending into Hell is not that it cannot be supported by the Bible at all, but this doctrine just so happens to be preached often by a lot of the false prosperity preachers that are out there (who are an embarrassment to the entire faith).
However I hope that Speseebo would find time to see my response and reply to the verses and exposition given above, and provide your reply. Sorry for such a long comment.
Blessings of God be upon you and remain with you, in Christ our Lord.
Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Paradise no longer exists, it was a place for the righteous dead to be until Christ came and opened the way to heaven by His atonement.
Isa 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
the dead in Christ now go to Heaven to await the Resurrection.
after those in Paradise moved to Heaven then Paradise was no more, hell then had more room to enlarge itself for the millions and millions more that would go there.
Matthew 12:40
"For AS JONAH was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Jonah 2:6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains; THE EARTH WITH ITS BARS CLOSED BEHIND ME FOREVER; Yet You have brought up my life FROM THE PIT, O LORD, my God.
SO LIKE JONAH....
Jesus died on the cross on a Friday day or night ?
Betty Nice
Luke 24:13-20 (NKJV) 13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day (Sunday) to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them.
16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.
17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?”
18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”
19 And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 “and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him.
Luke 24:21 (NKJV) “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, TODAY (ie Sunday)IS THE THIRD DAY SINCE these things happened (the Crucifixion).
PLAINLY
Sunday is the 3rd Day SINCE
Saturday is the 2nd Day SINCE
Friday is the 1st Day SINCE
THURSDAY when “the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him”.
Jesus died about 3pm on Thursday and there was a supernatural night darkness from Noon to 3pm.
@Cassus Belli
Matthew 12:40 (NKJV) “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The must be 3 days and 3 nights. This is not negotiable!
Bodily death, Friday before Sabbath- day 1,
Friday evening, (beginning of night 1) Sabbath begins - day 2,
Saturday evening (beginning of night 2), Sabbath ends- Sunday morning is same day- day 3.
Where is night 3???
Jesus PLAINLY SAYS 3 NIGHTS!
Is He a liar 🤥?
The answer is He is the Truth. There has to be 3 nights.
@Cassus Belli
Luke 24:13-20 (NKJV) 13 Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day (Sunday daytime) to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 So it was, while they conversed and reasoned, that Jesus Himself drew near and went with them.
16 But their eyes were restrained, so that they did not know Him.
17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?”
18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”
19 And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 “and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him.
Luke 24:21 (NKJV) “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, TODAY (ie Sunday)IS THE THIRD DAY SINCE these things happened (the Crucifixion).
PLAINLY
Sunday is the 3rd Day SINCE
Saturday is the 2nd Day SINCE
Friday is the 1st Day SINCE
THURSDAY when “the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him”.
Jesus died about 3pm on Thursday and there was a supernatural night darkness from Noon to 3pm.
Amos 8:9-10 (NKJV) 9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD, “That I will make the sun go down at noon, And I will darken the earth in broad daylight;
10 I will turn your feasts into mourning, And all your songs into lamentation; I will bring sackcloth on every waist, And baldness on every head; I will make it like mourning for an only son, And its end like a bitter day.
What a great explanation. Bravo.
I need a drawing/diagram to go with this. One of those marker board squeaky illustrations with Doug Wilson’s voice over and someone writing out the Greek words. Pretty please?
This is an incredibly helpful explanation! Thank you!
Great exposition. What Pastor Doug says lines up with Scripture. Well done.
@Chaos Phoenix You need an exorcism. See a Priest immediately. In the meantime, "The Lord rebuke you, satan, leave this man and flee into the abyss where you belong. We confess our sins and his to God. In Jesus powerful, Holy Name we pray. Amen."
@Chaos Phoenix Thank you Father God for hearing our prayer. I see how you have rebuked and shaken the devil in this person. Soon he (the devil) will flee the power of Jesus The Christ, the Most High God, the Creator of all, God come in the flesh, Who has thoroughly defeated the devil and his fallen angels. Thank you for showing us, Father. Amen
@Chaos Phoenix The Lord Jesus rebuke you.
@Chaos Phoenix If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. Romans Chapter 10, 9-13.
@Chaos Phoenix Jesus is God. Repent and be saved.
This was what i have expected out of this video.. excellent..
the video is inaccurate. All go to hades which has two compartments, paradise, and torment which are separated by a gulf. When Jesus said '' surely i say to you today, i will see you in paradise' referred to hades.
This is the clearest and most understandable explanation that I 've heard on this topic.Thank you !
Jesus died on the cross on Friday day or night ?
@@bettynice2340 Not on Friday, it was Wednesday.
@@bettynice2340 The Lord died on the evening before sundown on Friday. He was in Jerusalem (the heart of the earth at that time) for 3 days and 3 nights. The last day he was there was the day he resurrected. Here is a video to better understand:
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Most educational Glad u explained this where people can understand it
I remember growing up being so confused on this topic. We shld just go back to sheol and gehenna. Much clearer IMHO
Yes, Medieval and Renaissance art, Pagan influence, and the soft, nominaly-Christian culture that uncritically believes that babies become angels when they die and that Satan is ruling now in Hell, have seriously distorted the fairly straightforward meaning of the words we use today for these things.
One can see this depearture most clearly in Dante's Inferno, in which the Renaissance poet has combined the influence of Classical Pagan poetry and philosophy, a vague Biblical understanding, and a Medival tendency to physicalize and sensationalize Hades/Hell, into something that had a defining impact on the conception of death and Hell in the Western world. And it had very little to do with the Biblical Sheol/Hades.
I have just stumbled upon Doug Wilson. Wow! Praise the Lord for raising up faithful men like Doug.
I stumbled upon Doug Wilson . Wow! Praise the foolish people for listening to re configured garbage. Everything Doug talks about has his Theological .Twist.. Dont confuse faith with anything that Doug spews forth.. Just another Evangelical who is making a living stating fiction as fact.. Believe in God if you wish..but just dont listen to this guys never ending Scripture output..This guy is one continuing parable.. Shale ,Hell, Hades.. an answer for everything... Every thing he says is based on his Fundamentalism. Dont be fooled.. Listen to convoluted words and be objective..
Les Nagy Well since I am an evangelical with fundamentalist leanings I think I will stick with Doug. And if listening to Doug Wilson makes me foolish I will proudly wear that badge. But thank you for your concern :-)
James Clark James this Guy Doug Wilson may sound viable to a Fundamentalist. As an ex Christian i find he has re defined the bible in his own language.If we were to understand Dougs teachings then a common man cannot possibly understand the scriptures..He translates every verse to his understanding and pseudo Intellectual arguments.. He actually babbles on, and in the end actually says nothing.. I have noticed this on all his interviews..A narrow minded Fundamentalist who gives the authoritarian tone to his explanations but leaves the listener thinking only.. What the Fuck are you talking about.. See his explanation on Homosexuality in another video and you will understand why i claim this...I respect your fundamentalist beliefs James, but i cannot accept this guys version of any scripture.. Evangelical Nut job. disguised as Critical thinker. . I thought the bible was for any person to get meaning from .. Listening to Doug it seems none of us were anywhere close to an understanding. Praise the Lord..Just don't Praise this Guy...
James Clark James, I know this was 6 months ago, but I am glad you have found him. I don't agree with everything that he says, but he generally pretty decent.
Jake Swink I really like listening to his take on things..not so sure about the Federal Vision stuff though
RE: 9:25 “Many people get their views from heaven and hell from Far Side cartoons.” HAHA!! So true! The best one is of the people in hell having a coffee break and one guy remarks, “Man...! They thought of everything! Even the coffee is cold!” Classic!!
While that may have been true while Gary Larson was publishing, I think that over the centuries, distorted views of heaven and hell can be laid more at the feet of Dante, Milton, and Goethe.
Hell (Hades) isn’t a laughing matter.
Thank you pastor Doug. I believe you have the most layman-ized explanation of this matter w.c confused me no end...until I heard you!!! Soli Deo Gloria!
Excellent and I believe, accurate supposition of what happens at death.
It’s my understanding that when Jonah talks about going down to Sheol in regard to him going down into the waters is because Sheol is thought to be a sort of watery abode. Jonah going down into Sheol and being delivered after three days and three nights can be seen as a foreshadowing of Jesus without us needing to come to the conclusion that he physically died. Of course if Jonah did die God could bring him back to life no problem, I just don’t see that in the text.
Very interesting either way. I, too, assumed he was just near to death and in the fish felt as if he were in the depths of Sheol.
This is very good. It's what we were literally going to articulate in an upcoming Think Podcast ep. Now maybe we don't have to. We can just refer folks to this video (or we may, but this video will definitely get a hat tip). Thanks.
If I'm ever near Moscow, Idaho I will make a concerted effort to seek out Doug Wilson's church. His expository preaching is vastly superior to that I am hearing on Sunday morning at the SBC church I have been attending.
Complex answer but just what I was looking for!😄🙏
Best explanation I've heard regarding this topic. Especially concerning the creed we also say in our church. Thank you pastor.
Fun fact: In Germanic tradition, Hell was actually a cold, icy place where the dishonored dead went. So when Christian missionaries came to the Saxons, Vikings, etc. and began describing Hell as the Bible does, the Germanic people were very confused, as an eternity of "heat" sounded rather appealing, if anything.
Interesting!
I agree with the Germans.... I hate the 🥶
In reality, Hell (Hades) is a place where unsaved souls are being tormented in the flame.
@@Landis_GrantActually it's not. It's just two different words that mean grave of man...
Where is the full interview?
Sums it up so much better UTILIZING the historical reference of Sheol.
Excellent, spot on interpretation. Thank you
This seems to be exactly what I have come to believe is being taught.
Great explanation
From dictionaryDotCom: "before 900; Middle English, Old English hel ( l ); cognate with Old High German hell ( i ) a ( German Hölle ), Old Norse hel, Gothic halja; akin to Old English helan to cover, hide, and to hull."
It would all have been less confusing if the original words were just transliterated and carried over from Greek without the chance of culture redefinition. Sheol/Hades and Gehenna never would have been confused as the same thing.
Best explanation of this I've heard.
It's so frustrating that this is even controversial. It's all just confused translation and semantics. This guy is great.
I thought Paul said, " I would rather be absent from the body, and present with the lord " - not - to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord
The passage you refer to is phil 1,23 and the passage Doug refers to is 2.cor 5, 6+8!
"What can He ascended mean except that he first descended into the lower earthly regions to preach the Gospel to they which disobeyed long ago?" - The Bible
This tells us that while his body was laid to rest in a tomb with the rich, He Himself did descend into He'll, mayhap even into Tartarus, the lowest and deepest and most bitter of places in He'll, though he himself did not become debilitated, but was altogether functional that he might make known the mystery of the Gospel to all 8f God's Creation, even the very depths of petition that he mightblater ascend into heaven 40 days after he was raised from the dead that might, as he is called in the Book of Revelation, be called the Ruler of God's Creation, whose glory fills the Entire Universe. Is it not said in the Book of Isaiah the Prophet, "Every valley shall be exalted and every mountain and hill be brought low?"
You seem to be fusing two passages together, thats if youre quoting Ephesians 4. It doesn't say he descended to preach
Were did Noah go before Abraham's bosom and why did they change the name
This is EXACTLY what I believe. I made a youtube video describing just this. Its called "The Sinless Descent"
So Hades, Paradise, and Heaven are different. I’ve heard bits of this at different points - but you explain it clearly. Thanks!
This is the best explanation I’ve heard.
I think its all make believe stories
That makes sense now. Thank you.
Excellent explanation 👏🏻
It lines up well w/ John Barnett’s view (Calvary Bible Church), which I think is the most accurate description of what these places (Hades/Hell/Sheol/The Pit/Gehenna/Torments/etc.) actually are.
I do lean more toward ‘The Rich Man and Lazarus’ describing an actual (or perhaps simply, a possible) event, rather than an entirely fictional parable.
Great work!
Indeed. It does surprise me when reformed teachers say that Hell/the final torment, doesn't include fire, or torment. I thought the NT was pretty clear, but OK.
The rich man and Lazarus story isn’t a parable, but a historical account as told by Jesus who said “there WAS a CERTAIN beggar named Lazarus … None of Jesus’s parables used real names.
I would ask one question out of many I could from this video, when we die (our bodies) and our spirit returns to the one who gave it, then with what body will we be with the Lord in paradise? And when will this body be given? Because logically and biblically, we cannot be disembodied spirits floating around for all eternity in heaven, we must have a body-soul union and have the Spirit in us to be alive.
Also here is a clear understanding about the parable of the rich man and poor man in Luke 18:
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Jonah was dead? If he came out from Sheol, then yeah. I was not aware of that. Being dead in a fish in the sea instead of in the earth... that is some specific symbolism right there. I'll have to wait on the Spirit to reveal the meaning of the symbolism.
John11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
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And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Jesus went down to Hades to gather up the old testament saints and take them up to heaven. Now there is no longer the paradise side of Hades because of Jesus crucified and resurrected.
Doug is a trail blazer for the truth that was once common knowledge. Insane
7 minutes in, and this lines up 100% with Eastern Orthodoxy's view on the Harrowing of Hades
I came to faith and got baptized in a non-denominational church. I feel like the Holy Spirit is leading me to the Orthodox Church. Is worth the time to investigate.
@@jamesmoore464 The Orthodox church also prays to Mary. They may get some things right, but they also get a lot of more important things wrong.
@@ajunta2270 yet every Protestant church I go to is a catastrophe
@@jamesmoore464 I regret to hear that. I don't know where you live and what options you have, but what I can say is that fellowship, sound biblical teaching centered on Jesus and the gospel, and ministry is vital for us as Christians, so I hope you do find that wherever you decide to go.
@@jamesmoore464 I am certainly biased to my own choices, but I have been a member of an Orthodox Presbyterian Church for almost a year now. Very biblically based teachings, emphasis on emulating the early church for how we structure ours, and adhering to what traditions of man can be confessed directly from the content of the Holy Scriptures. I’d recommend checking out the OPC or some of our sister denominations (PCA, URC, also look up Pastor Matthew Everhard for solid breakdowns of denominational differences). Godspeed, brother!
While I agree with everything Pastor Wilson says here, there are two things I was taught that he doesn't mention. The first has to do with what Christ's spirit was doing while His body lay in the grave. Yes, I believe that His spirit descended into Sheol/Hades to announce to the spirits in prison His victory over death. However, I was taught that additionally, before His bodily resurrection, His spirit ascended into heaven, leading the spirits of the righteous dead with Him from Abraham's bosom into heaven, based on Psalm 68:18 & Ephesians 4:8, which in some translations does not say that "He led captivity captive," but that "He led captives in his train." The second is the identity of the saints who arose from the dead in Matthew 27:52-53. I was taught that these were those saints who had died after John the Baptist had begun his ministry. Unlike the Old Testament saints, who died believing in a future Messiah Who would come one day, these saints died knowing that Jesus is the Messiah. They didn't need Christ to announce Himself to them because they already knew. And what were they doing when they went into Jerusalem? I was taught that they were witnessing to the truth of Christ, although I admit that the Bible doesn't specifically say that.
This is awesome teaching and insight. Everything makes so much sense now. Yes I totally agree that Jesus descended into Hades. Thank you so much Pastor Doug Wilson. The only thing I disagree with is that when we die, we will not immediately be with the Lord, but rather we will have to stand at the Judgement Seat of Christ prior to entering heaven to be with the Lord.
Would you like to know the real mystery of Christ under the heart of the earth and the time line of the events by using (jewish time which realy is God's)? There is a book that Biblically proves avery theory wrong to the core, Romans 3:4 says: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, God also said in Isaiah 28:13: But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here (from the old Scriptures) a little, and there (from the new Scriptures) a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken when proven wrong. I' am the author of that book called: the Sign of Jonah and the real Passion of the Christ by Celedonio Miranda, available on amazon kindle books. there you will find the truth about this so controversial doctrine and more mysteries unveiled plain and clear, Peace to you
Hebrews 9:27 "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgement."
We are judged straight after death. If we have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, we 'wait' in an area in Hades called Paradise or 'Abraham's bosom . There are two sections in Hades (a holding place of the dead) - Hell and Paradise. On judgement day, Hades will cease to exist as the saved will be in Heaven and the damned will be thrown in the Lake of Fire. Jesus descended into hell is not biblical. He was in the 'other' half of Hades. That is why He told the criminal next to Him on the cross "Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." Some translations of the word Hades or Sheol as 'hell; is wrong. Blessings.
as we see that everyone is busy preaching about how to inherit the kingdom of heaven but no one preaches about resurrection ....why ?
What do you mean? Christ is the firstfruits of the resurrection -- that's all a Christian should preach!
he went to Paradise ,,the upper half of the Hadean Realm
Excellent.
This is going to make the TH-cam theologians go crazy
NOT FOR ME ... I have always believed this!
I am not a theologian. I do want to get to the bottom of dispensational teaching. It looks like the millennial reign has some self identification inconsistencies.
Somebody please send this to Steven Anderson, LOL
Marc Tesio
Well he is not talking about millennium here....
Cuz he’s wrong too
what was Jesus describing when he says I go to prepare a place for you, wouldn't it have to be the new heaven on earth after the resurrection?
Jesus went to Abraham's bosom to take the believers waiting for him. There are two compartments to hades. One is hell. One is Abraham's bosom. Come on, people. Afterlife 101.
"Afterlife 101." LOL.
You mentioned Psalms 86 3
For great is your love toward me; you have delivered me from the depths, from the realm of the dead.
Sheol is Saul, or Christianity, go back to the original text and you will easily see this
I have understood Sheol to be the abode of the dead, the underworld; and Saul is a personal name meaning "asked for." Aren't you applying the equivocation fallacy when you say these two are the same by using the word "is?" They look the same, yes, but the accent marks are completely different, let alone the definitions. Where does the term "Christianity" come into play?
@@jameskilgore8422 I HEARD BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES AND SOME SECTS THAT ARE ANTI-PAUL. SAY THE SAME THING. NOT BEING RACIST BUT ALOT OF THESE BHI SAY THIS.
Sheol : grave
Hades: grave
Tartarus: the bottomless pit
Gehenna: Jerusalem's rubbish dump in the days of Yahshua. Look it up.
The word "hell" is NOT in the scripture.
Bless you.
Letthere belight
Given the Bible has long been translated into English, I think you might well add the English translation of the hebrew, 'Sheol' and Greek, 'Hades' being the grave as you have stated. Unfortunately the early Roman Catholic Church having adopted the pagan (Greek) immortal soul concept, had to invent Purgatory and Limbo once they reinvented the grave. 'Hell' All this because they ignored Scripture which states that before Christ no one had gone to Heaven etc etc.
Once one lie is accepted as truth, many other lies must be invented and adopted.
@@neiljohn2894 great job, there is a little more Catholics profess that is not scroptureal.
So, eternal lake of fire where Satan and his minions will go after Christ's 2nd coming as Revelation speaks of.
@@jackjones3657 the only part you have wrong is that they will be put to death, due to free will are going to be seperated from God. Read Rev 19,20 and 21 again.
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." Romans 1:22
"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, 'He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.' " 1 Corinthians 3:19
The Word of God is speaking of you, and others like you, my friend.
"In whom the god of this world has blinded the eyes of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:4
Are we limiting the punishment that Jesus took on my behalf? If I deserve hell, did Jesus take this too in his sacrifice? I'm afraid to limit what Jesus has done, can do, and is doing.
I never heard that interpretation of Jonah. It makes the comparison to Jesus make more sense.
I would love to know Pastor Wilson’s thoughts on the conjectural emendation of 1 Peter 3:19 suggested by EJ Goodspeed, and others.
Compare 1 Peter 3:18-20 in E.J. Goodspeed (The New Testament - An American Translation, 1923):
... but he was made alive in the Spirit. In it *Enoch* went and preached even to those spirits that were in prison, who had once been disobedient, when in Noah’s time ...
And Goodspeed’s comment:
“The spirits in prison are not the departed, who are never spoken of in this way, but the fallen angels mentioned in Gen. 6:1 - 7:4 ... The reference is unmistakably to the story of the mission of Enoch to these fallen angels described in the Book of Enoch ... chapters 12 - 16. The name “Enoch” may have dropped out of the Greek text by an error of the eye after “In which also” (ENΩKAI), with which it might easily be confused (ENΩKAIENΩΧ) or possibly the repeated mention of the Son of Man in Enoch 69:26-29 may have led to the ascription to Christ of Enoch’s preaching to the fallen angels. But, in any case, the reference is to the account of Enoch, chapters 12-16, not to a ministry to the dead.”
Edgar J. Goodspeed, Problems of New Testament Translation, Univ. of Chicago Press, 1945
How can Christ have mastery over death, HELL, and the grave without having gone there?
Matthew Griffin God made Hell for the devil and his fallen angels. He would never give Satan the keys of this place of captivity just as a criminal never gets the keys of his cell.Jesus got the keys of Hell from His Father.All authority in heaven and on earth and below the earth belongs to Jesus Matthew 28;18 Philippians 2:10.
Yes, exactly. He has the keys of death and hades - Revelation 1, only because He went there and took authority
_"If Christ had died only a bodily death, it would have been ineffectual. No - it was expedient at the same time for him to undergo the severity of God’s vengeance, to appease his wrath and satisfy his just judgment. For this reason, he must also grapple hand to hand with the armies of hell and the dread of everlasting death. A little while ago we referred to the prophet’s statement that "the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him," "he was wounded for our transgressions" by the Father, "he was bruised for our infirmities" [Isaiah 53:5 p.]. By these words he means that Christ was put in place of evildoers as surety and pledge - submitting himself even as the accused - to bear and suffer all the punishments that they ought to have sustained. All - with this one exception: "He could not be held by the pangs of death" [Acts __2:24__ p.]. No wonder, then, if he is said to have descended into hell, for he suffered the death that, God in his wrath had inflicted upon the wicked! Those who - on the ground that it is absurd to put after his burial what preceded it - say that the order is reversed in this way are making a very trifling and ridiculous objection. The point is that the Creed sets forth what Christ suffered in the sight of men, and then appositely speaks of that invisible and incomprehensible judgment which he underwent in the sight of God in order that we might know not only that Christ’s body was given as the price of our redemption, but that he paid a greater and more excellent price in suffering in his soul the terrible torments of a condemned and forsaken man."_ (Calvin's "Institutes II". 16. 10)
How can anybody take this as an allegory? It seems pretty clear to me that Calvin was positing the belief that Jesus spiritually descended into hell where he faced the horrors of spiritual death, only to be raised from the dead and receive His glorified body.
WHAT??? Do you even realize how many Questions he brings to mind with that explanation?
Me too
@@donnelljunior4198 Let Scripture define Scripture Is.28:9-13 He certainly doesn't let that happen
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Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Hades is not mentioned in the word of God. King James 1611. HELL is many times.
Thank you.
absolutely correct brother!!
10 years ago the lord revealed all this to me, I could add some scripture to this to take it to another level.
Pretty interesting the text states that Saul precieved that it was Samuel. Not making it clear that it was actually Samuel. Makes sense that the Torah states not to speak to the dead.
You called the story of Lazarus and the Rich man a “parable”. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe it’s a metaphorical story, I think it’s a real story.
it is a real story. Notice how Abraham said to the rich man in the parable "Now lazrus is AT PEACE and you are tormented"?? Well, in the old testament in the book of Genesis God Promised Abraham in Genesis 15:15 that he would gather Abraham to his fathers IN PEACE" and then in this parable Abraham and Lazrus were in peace. In other words, this parable gives us a better understanding as to what God meant in Genesis 15:15 about sending Abraham to his fathers in peace.
@ JEFF also note that heaven, and hades are NOT apart of the physical universe. They are not out there somewhere in outter space that if you fly far enough you will get there. They are apart of a separate dimension to which the doors open up for you to get to.
Anonymous Anonymous that sounds good and all, but do you have any verse to back that up?
Fyi, I’m a flat earth believer so I don’t believe in outer space. I believe the FIRMAMENT, which is mentioned 17 times in the Bible, 9 times in Gen 1 KJV alone, is firm and beaten out like metal. Not a galaxy full of planets. Point is, I’m taking the Bible literally unless states as a parable/vision/dream, etc. I believe that Sheol is located right below us and it has the 2 compartments in it, Abraham’s bosom and Hades/hell.
Anonymous Anonymous I like your break down! That’s how I like to do Bible studies. It’s actually hard to find friends that would make the connection you just made. AT PEACE...great understanding brother.
Christus Mea Lux I’ve seen the Daytona guy before. He is big on moon images and videos. Thanks for sharing! I’m gonna watch it now. The FIRMAMENT aka DOME of the earth for anyone else...is so fascinating!
DW- I track you on the pre-resurrection state and after. Q) How does "Lead captivity captive" - ie up to 3rd heaven correlate to Rev 20 and the First resurrection and Daniel 12:2?
The story of the rich man and lazarus was not a parable
This is great stuff. The creeds can be a profit to your faith if you understand where they are coming from with the wording and translations that came from them.
I've never heard such confusion until this video.
Basically, Hades is a place where souls go to sleep. After Jesus Crucifixion, the souls in Hades were allowed to enter Heaven. This is because nobody could enter Heaven without Jesus Atoning for their sins.
@@peacelove6455 part true. The soul is the person him or herself. You are a soul you do not have a soul separate from you. And you are so right that no one has entered into heaven before Jesus. John saw a number, 144000 standing with Jesus on heavenly Mt. Zion, these are the only ones brought from the earth. They are there for a reason or reasons. To rule as kings with the King Jesus. And to heal obedient mankind of all the things that has plagued us, when sin entered the world. Rev. 14: 1-3 Rev. 5: 9-10. They will even end death!
@@peacelove6455 only half right.
@@peacelove6455 In places, the Bible does describe the souls in Sheol as resting or sleeping, but in Luke 16 it also describes some of the souls there as being in torment. I would say, don't take the word "sleep' too literally here. Just like the words "life" and "death," it sometimes has to be interpreted spiritually rather than literally.
His descent to the underworld is alluded to in the New Testament in 1 Peter 4:6, which states that the "good tidings were proclaimed to the dead". The Catholic Catechism interprets Ephesians 4:9, which states that "[Christ] descended into the lower parts of the earth", as also supporting this interpretation.
bible says all spirit returns to God upon physical death. Jesus died folks, and went in the grave. simple.
SIMPLE DUMMY STATEMENT.
Yes. And amen. Do you suppose this false doctrine of Christ in hell is a emerchant church heresey preached today.
@@MrTwinsrule, I have noticed that the money preachers always teach that Jesus went into hell after death and was tortured and beaten further. They have been teaching this false doctrine for a very long time. Money preachers= Kenneth Copland, Joyce Meyers, etc....
Very Good answer! Would you like to know the real mystery of Christ under the heart of the earth and the time line of the events by using (jewish time which realy is God's)? There is a book that Biblically proves avery theory wrong to the core, Romans 3:4 says: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, God also said in Isaiah 28:13: But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here (from the old Scriptures) a little, and there (from the new Scriptures) a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken when proven wrong. I' am the author of that book called: the Sign of Jonah and the real Passion of the Christ by Celedonio Miranda, available on amazon kindle books. there you will find the truth about this so controversial doctrine and more mysteries unveiled plain and clear, Peace to you
Thank you! So are you saying that no one goes to Hades or Sheol permanently? The last resurrection everyone will be caught up into heaven to be with the Lord forever? What about atheists, agnostics and murderers who have not confessed?
Doug is making this distinction: Sheol's a temporary holding place. The final judgment would be between heaven and hell (gehenna, not sheol).
Actually, after the general resurrection and the final judgement, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. The righteous seem to populate both, but I don't want to make any definitive distinctions about who is where, like the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses do. Maybe the saints can travel back and forth between heaven and earth in eternity, I dunno. But I think your real question is about the fate of the wicked. No, Christianity does not teach universalism, that is, that all will be saved. The wicked dead are currently in hell, awaiting their resurrection and final judgement. After that, they will be thrown body and soul into the Lake of Fire, which the Bible describes as the outer darkness. (Compare Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, Matthew 25:30, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10, Revelation 20:14, Revelation 20:15, and Revelation 21:8.) As bad as hell is, the Lake of Fire is even worse.
To absent from the body and to be present with the lord is mistranslated. It not quoted that way!
Dear Pilgrim Ben Dials ... THEN ... PLEASE give us the correct translation !!!
When men die the breath of life leaves their body and returns to GOD. On the last day GOD will resurrection all bodies and breathe life back into them for the final judgement. Death is described as a sleep.Job 14:12
Jordan Lindo False. Today you will be with me in paradise to the murderer on the cross. Recieve my Spirit said Stephen. Elia and Moses were on the mountain. We will be with Jesus when we die, but in a temporal place until judgement. Soul sleep is a heresy condemned YEARS ago
I promise you today, you will be with me in paradise. Not today you will be with me. "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." John 20:17
Immortal Soul is true heresy because it tells Man he is like GOD and he cannot die. Which comes from the serpent. "The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!" Gen 3:5
Last time i checked God says Hell was created for the devil and his angels-
Would Christ suffer in such a place reserved for the devil and his children?
Once again, a preacher that adds huge pieces to the Bible to try and make their argument valid.
It would make no sense for Paradise to be emptied and taken into heaven, considering there is only ONE Judgement DAY!
Why would sinners still go to torments? What would be the purpose of judgement day, if all of the sinners who aren't getting into Heaven are already in torments and those who are saved, would be in heaven?
It makes God look stupid when preachers have this mindset....
EVERY MAN WILL BE JUDGED ON JUDGEMENT DAY.
I love how I've never seen a preacher even contemplate that Jesus went back down to Paradise. That makes much more sense, than to say God is going to have judgement day for no reason.
it could be argued that people who never heard of Jesus who die go to Abraham bussom and on judgement both the sinners in the tormented part and those in Abraham bussom will be judged. those in the side of peace, if they are in the book of life will go into heaven. Rev 20 seems to talk about this when it says death and hell give up their dead. idk if death is referring to Abraham bussom. someone can argue that where Lazarus was has not disapear because the bible doesn't say so. these people who go there will be judged on their works. sinners in hell will be judged on their works to receive greater/less punishment in the lake of fire..
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Would you like to know the real mystery of Christ under the heart of the earth and the time line of the events by using (jewish time which realy is God's)? There is a book that Biblically proves avery theory wrong to the core, Romans 3:4 says: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, God also said in Isaiah 28:13: But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here (from the old Scriptures) a little, and there (from the new Scriptures) a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken when proven wrong. I' am the author of that book called: the Sign of Jonah and the real Passion of the Christ by Celedonio Miranda, available on amazon kindle books. there you will find the truth about this so controversial doctrine and more mysteries unveiled plain and clear, Peace to you
2.36 Absolutely agree Jonah died , went to sheol and was then resurrected and deposited on the beach. I know my opinion is worthless but does anyone know why so many christians think Jonah was alive inside the stomach of a fish for three days because the text is clear he was in Sheol (the place of the dead).
Even after 10 years this video is still inspiring. Thanks for the helpful insight on the clarification between hades and hell (the lake of fire).
Actually Hell is really Hades and isn’t the lake of fire (Gehenna).
What about when Jesus gave up His spirit to the Father, so how could He go Down into hell?
We die we are asleep when christ returns our grave will bust open we will all change in a blink of eye to meet him in the air right?
Jesus died on the cross on Friday day or night ? 3 days & 3 nights ?
This seems to be very orthodox and on point
interesting information..thank you.
I thought I would get his answer about the Anglican doctrine "The Harrowing of Hell"
I think you did.
If you're referencing the passages in Ephesians, he actually unified Shoel, Hades, and Abraham's Bosom all at once.
What is the Greek word.for gehenna? If Hades is Greek for.sheol
Well, these words in Greek were coined by pagans who lived long before Jesus was born. The Greek words referred to concepts of the pagan Greek religion, not to Biblical religion. However, when the New Testament was written, it was written in Greek, so Greek words were adapted to the Hebrew concepts. The word "Gehenna" originially referred to the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem, and the word appears as "Gehenna" in the gospels in Greek. Jesus used Gehenna as a picture of what hell is like. In Revelation chapters 19 through 21, the Lake of Fire is described. It is not hell exactly, but an even worse place. Hell is described as being emptied into the Lake of Fire at the end of time. In 2nd Peter 2:4, the word "Tartarus" is used, but I'm not sure if that refers to hell or to the Lake of Fire.
Tartarus is where the wicked go and elysian plains or elysian fields or simply elysium is where the righteous go.
He could have been speaking to many different spirits during those 3 days,
But I personally believe that the 1 Pet. 3 passage gives us a big hint as to who some of them may have specifically been.
It specifies that they were spirits from the time of Noah, and building of the ark.
If you hold to the supernatural view of Gen 6:1-4 there were some extremely important (to history/mankind’s trajectory) “spirits” that were on the earth during that time;
the Sons of God that mated with human women, or “Watchers” according to the Book of First Enoch.
My belief is that 1 Pet is referring to those fallen entities, and that He was declaring his permanent victory to them during those 3 days.
They did start a cosmic seed war, and attempt to destroy the human race through genetic means - why Noah’s family with “perfect generations” was vital.
Which if they were successful would have destroyed the possibility of a human savior.
So does make logical sense that He may have wanted to personally deliver the news to them.
And if you put any stock in the book of First Enoch, it states that the Watchers were bound in the earth until the final judgment:
“And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated.”
The harrowing of "hell" is the traditional interpretation of scriptures. This would be hades/sheol. He is victorious over death hence "harrowing". Nevermind the distinction between the sheol and gehenna how can one reconcile what Calvin says with whats the plain meaning and traditional interpretation of scripture?
The distinction between a place for souls and a place of punishment is entirely at issue here; you can't just say "never mind" it.
This mixing of different religions' afterlife regions is rather confusing. The Greek Hades, encompassing Elysium and Tartarus, the Hebrew Sheol and Gehenna (a valley outside of Jerusalem where followers of Caananite gods sacrificed their children by fire), and the Anglo-Saxon/Norse Hel. This looks like people borrowing concepts from other religions to tell their story, all apparently fictitious and contrived. Why would a book authored by God, to tell people the way of salvation, be so confusing?
Wow, finally someone that believes the Bible, believes Jesus, and understands.
Matthew 13:34-35 KJVS
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: [35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Agree!...and Christ says in John 5:25-29 that HE would descend and the Saints would appear. GOD Bless
Loved his answer to a very curly question; DUNNO.
Canon Press>>This is how I explain what the bible teaches about what happens to a person after they are dead and before they are resurrected from death, the time in between when life come to an end and entering into the time after death and then when the dead person is resurrected from the dead time, the time of entering back into the land of the living, is that as us mortal beings are subjected to the laws of death, And that the mortal man when he has died is sleeping, as many verses in the bible both new and old refer to this state or condition as being sleep, the sleep of death, sleeping with the fathers, sleeping in the dust of the earth, and so on... But in the situation of the death of the Son of God, this was different, Jesus was not a sinner, and Jesus had the Spirit of God in him, and so Jesus when his flesh and blood body was dead and hanging from the cross, he then being the actual Spirit of God at that point in time, Jesus very well could have done anything that he wanted to do, because Jesus was not technically dead at that point in time, because he had not sinned in his entire life, and so that the law of sin and death would have worked to his advantage, as the Ezekiel 18:20 says that the soul that sinneth shall die, and Jesus was a person who was with out sin, and not only that but Jesus was also the Son of God. but it doesn`t mean that the state or condition of mortal man at death has been changed, the new testament has references of persons who died after Jesus death burial and resurrection and his return to his Father in heaven, and it still is in effect, that the dead are asleep, and even if Jesus had awakened a bunch of dead sinners and took them out of this state or condition of the dead when at the time that he was resurrected, it in no way proves that the bible teaches that dead fallen mortal humanity does not sleep at the time of their death, As the book of Acts state in the example of when Stephen was stoned to death,> Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. > And neither does the apostle Paul seems to suggest that the sleep of death condition for mortal humanity has been eliminated, of whom he was there at the stoning of Stephen.> 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, >1 Thessalonians 4:13-15 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe
that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. > Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.>John 5 28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. > So, with these resurrection verses, all are clear that they show that punishment of the unjust and life being awarded to the just, comes after the resurrection from the grave, and not before the resurrection, so it would seem that neither Damnation or everlasting life doesn`t come into effect before resurrection but only after resurrection, so these verses are teaching that a punishing hell for a mortal dead not to be save human doesn`t happen until after being resurrected from death, and that sleep is the only conclusion for what happens to a dead mortal person when the after death time has occurred and in the time before being raised from the dead. Straight from the Bible. This is what the bible teaches.
What is view of the "rapture"?
Marc Tesio > The rapture is a word being used to name the effect of the described occurrence from two passages from apostle Paul epistles and linking together with gospel teachings concerning the coming of the son of man at the end of the world. The rapture is more about the resurrection of the dead at the time of the return of the Messiah when he begins to reign in his kingdom on earth, it is when our Lord comes and restores the rule of the creator over the earth, and begins his ministering of the creators rule over the planet and destroying the rule of Satan, which when Adam and Eve lost the dominion right when they became followers of Satan by disobeying the will of the creator, and so when the messiah returns, he will have all the dead who are faithful in the faith brought back to life at that point in time, and then the Messiah and the resurrected believers will then be alive forever more, of course the scripture does mention the overcomers being given to eat of the fruit of the tree of life. Revelation 2:7, It is my opinion that the believers of that time when these scriptures were written, that they believed that the return coming of the Messiah would happen in their life time, and the way that the writer Paul addressed this was with his, `Then we which are alive and remain statement ` was his way of dealing with the concerns of that day.1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 For the ADONAY himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of ELOHIYM: and the dead in MASHIYACH shall rise first:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the ADONAY in the air: and so shall we ever be with the ADONAY.
The word DEAD is a misnomer, one cannot be in a state of deadness per-se. The thing is that the word DIE is a bloody verb mate. You DO it, and it is done, over.
Shit, I just realised, he's fucken DEAD.
Wasn't Hel the Viking's goddess ruler of Hel? Divided into Hel and the Misty Hel (aka Niflheim I believe), where the souls of those who did not die gloriously and unafraid in battle reside? Hel could be a pleasant place, although nowhere near as sweet as Valhalla in Asgard, if I remember those sagas correctly, but the Misty Hel was a dark tormenting region of clouds where evil souls were punished by ...dark elves, or something like that. The forces of Hel and the Fire Giants will attack Asgard.
Yes, Hel was a goddess who ruled over Hel, the realm of the dead, just like Hades ruled over Hades in Greek mythology. I imagine the partitioning of Hel into several different realms was caused by exposure either to Greco-Roman mythology or Christianity (or both). Although Wikipedia gives the etymology of "Hel" as being related to "hall," my Old English professor in college said it was related to "hole," giving the conception that hell is in "the heart of the earth" just like Sheol is. The Catholic conception of hell includes limbo, which is sort of the outskirts of hell. Limbo is the place where unbaptized infants go. While it is a pleasant place (like Abraham's bosom), and unbaptized infants go there because they have no personal sin, it is still hell because its inhabitants are deprived of the Beatific Vision. Homer's vision of Hades seems to be a bit aberrant. In the _Odyssey,_ he has Ulysses sail far to the west until he reaches Hades.
5:58..."Jesus locates Paradise in the heart of earth,but at the time of Paul the paradise is associated with Heaven"...Really??? That makes no sense. Jesus proclaiming for 3 days to the spirits in Hades??? The Greek language "koine"didn't have commas.When Jesus said in Luke 23:43 43- And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” it shows where actually the comma should be placed considering that paradise wasn't in the heart of earth as Doug is trying to suggest.If Jesus was already in Paradise the same day why would he be going somewhere else on the 3rd day and left the thief on his own?The Paradise in Hades?By the time of Paul shifted to different location this time to heaven?Can't you see it doesn't make any sense???
The act of his ressurection is the proclamation of his victory over death in itself - fallen angels incl. Satan(spirits)were cause of death of people by deceiving Adam and Eve.Therefore Jesus' ressurection was the proclamation to these spirits that human death will have no power over people when he arrives at the right time to ressurect the chosen ones.And that is supposed to take place in the end of times not before. Ap. Paul explained that very well in a letter to Corinthians that each one will be resurrected in his own rank, “Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.” (1Co 15:20, 23). In a letter to Thessalonians: "For this is what we tell you by Lord’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first."
So even the villain to whom Jesus said "today" couldn't be ressurected the same day according to ap. Paul's letters, neither wandering in Hades as a spirit as he is "asleep in death" like all those who are in Hades .
In the Christian Greek Scriptures, Tartarus is a prisonlike abased condition into which the disobedient angels of Noah’s day were cast. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar·ta·roʹo (to “cast into Tartarus”) does not signify that “the angels who sinned” were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus.It indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God’s bright purposes. Darkness also marks their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil.