Porsche and Audi's Talladega speed records

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  • @legoferrari14
    @legoferrari14 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    For those who don't know, Talladega Superspeedway is currently the only permanent oval race track in the world with a bank angle steeper than 32 degrees that still sees active car competition to this day. While other tracks such as Monza are steeper, their oval layouts are no longer in use or the track as a whole has been abandoned.

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +38

      For even more perspective. The banking on the zandvoort circuit in the netherlands is only 18 degrees. And ive driven on that myself and it already felt like driving up a wall. So imagine what talladega is like being almost twice as steep.

    • @guybeingaguy
      @guybeingaguy ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@stijnpaspontAs a drunk race fan I’ve been to Talladega a few hundred times.
      You grab the plastic top off your Igloo cooler and use it to sled down the banking.
      Bring a first aid kit.
      You just about need a rope to assist you up them they are that steep. Daytonas the same.

    • @moperry8399
      @moperry8399 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Winchester Speedway in Indiana actually has banking even higher than Talladega, at a current 37 degrees, though before it was paved, the banking supposedly got as high as 45 degrees.

    • @lockerracing7121
      @lockerracing7121 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I believe that Slinger Speedway in Wisconsin is also 33 degrees

    • @enigmaticcruz2483
      @enigmaticcruz2483 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For further perspective, elevation at the bottom of turn 1-2/3-4 is 26ft below the top of the turn. The track is only 48ft wide. The banking is insane.

  • @shifty1927
    @shifty1927 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Rip Bobby Unser, he passed like 2 years ago at 81 years old. Was a racing legend.🔥🔥🔥

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +22

      they actually had to call him up to coach walter rohrl on how to drive up pikes peak. imagine that. a WRC champion needing a driving lesson

    • @shifty1927
      @shifty1927 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@stijnpaspont shows the skill and respect Bobby had in his craft. Thats awesome I didn't know.

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Too bad he never raced Michelle Mouton back down the mountain.

    • @rancon265
      @rancon265 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Guy Martin went to his house before he raced his bike. Bobby got mad because Guy wasn't ass kissing.

    • @JK-g62
      @JK-g62 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@stijnpaspontvery interesting but i remember hearing the Unser family "owned" that mountain.

  • @himmelhero
    @himmelhero ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Mark Donohue was a different breed of driver that's sadly lost today in most forms of motorsport today

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      exactly, a jack of all trades

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      0:50 405 km/h, not 407.

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@thethirdman225 thats the PR number, The car had a Peugeot engine and Peugeot was about to release the new Peugeot 405 so they agreed to lower to number to 405 kmh so it could be used in marketing and stuff. the actual speed they went was 407kmh. they might have even gone faster in the practise sessions but the radar gun the ACO was using was acting up so we'll never know.

    • @RukaGoldheart
      @RukaGoldheart ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@thethirdman225 I literally visited the Le Mans museum today and the description plate of the WM said it was 407. The ACO is wrong now?

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@RukaGoldheart The ACO owns and operates the speed trap. They also publish the figures each year, which is where I got the 405 figure.

  • @emdotrod
    @emdotrod ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I always find Porsche/Audi's story in the US motorsport scene fascinating.

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      same, I mention that audi's story was just the beginning but come to think of it, the porsche penske bond was created with the 917/30 and still lasts to this day with the LMDh car.

    • @JK-g62
      @JK-g62 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@stijnpaspontyes...the 917/30 was world altering...and ended up killing the CanAm series.

  • @piuthemagicman
    @piuthemagicman ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Great storytelling & calming voice 😊 Keep 'em coming!

  • @Sephiroth5200
    @Sephiroth5200 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Talladega is 2.66 miles long with 33 degree banking compared to Daytona at 2.5 miles with 31 degree banking.

  • @jonnyspa27
    @jonnyspa27 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "Bobby, you have set several new speed and distance records!'
    'YIPPPEEEE!" 🤠😎
    🏁

  • @magus4016
    @magus4016 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    good video quality and awesome motorsport facts, keep up the good work!

  • @trance9158
    @trance9158 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Mark Donahue and the Porsche 917. My favorite driver and car of all time!!

  • @jandanielj.hgdahl1780
    @jandanielj.hgdahl1780 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Talladega used to have a road course configuration that was used to host races from 1969-1989. Today the road course is still there, but the connection from the speedway to the road course is gone.

  • @racefan7616
    @racefan7616 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I never knew about the Audi attempt. I do wonder, if NASCAR didn’t have the ban on foreign makes, if Audi would have had an entry in that time period, given they were doing all sorts of stuff in America.

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Did NASCAR actually have a ban, or was there just no one who met the homologation rules? I can see why NASCAR didn't want to be like IMSA with lots of types of engines and a ridiculous number of rules to try to make them all work.

    • @mrspandel5737
      @mrspandel5737 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@skaldlouiscyphre2453Don't think there was a ban per se, since in the very early days of NASCAR you'd find just about everything competing, Jaguar of all makes even has a NASCAR race win to their credit. But by the 1960s it just consolidated itself to all teams running big displacement American V8s for competitiveness. By the 1980s the Gen 3 Cup cars were basically spec chassis with a 358ci OHV engine and "stock" body templates. Audi would have never attempted to compete in NASCAR as they were all about demonstrating the performance of their homegrown I5 Turbo and quattro combination anyway.
      Its an interesting idea, the aerodynamic Audi 100 and Mercedes W124 bodyshells might have made for some very competitive machinery

    • @skaldlouiscyphre2453
      @skaldlouiscyphre2453 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mrspandel5737 That's what I thought, that it was largely lack of a suitable engine that kept foreign marques out.
      It would have been interesting to see foreign marques enter back in the day. I'd add the Toyota Soarer and Nissan Leopard as potential entries.
      Paul Newman can drive one of the Nissans.

    • @gomezgomezian3236
      @gomezgomezian3236 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@skaldlouiscyphre2453 "Lack of a suitable engine". That's one way to put it. Another is "no one else still builds engines that are that far behind modern designs".

    • @Skidracer21
      @Skidracer21 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@gomezgomezian3236 another suggestion: "No one builds crate engines American style except for Americans"

  • @jimcurt99
    @jimcurt99 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    excellent video- was aware of the Porsche but never knew about the Audi. Was great to see!

  • @kapis1194
    @kapis1194 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Nice video, didn't know audi went on Talladega ❤

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks! Well, now you do!

    • @kapis1194
      @kapis1194 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@stijnpaspont :Ddd

  • @GregBrownsWorldORacing
    @GregBrownsWorldORacing ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Umm slight correction at 4:41 ... Dega is bigger than a 2.5 mile track (that's Daytona's length) Talladega is 2.667 miles in length. 500 mile races at Daytona are 200 laps. At Talledega it's only 188 laps. The mph & kph records are likely correct. Woops somebody already posted this, but I didn't read ALL the comments.

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yup. Someone else pointed that out earlier. I legit said the daytona number instead of the talladega number. Honest mistake.

  • @tubetube7025
    @tubetube7025 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You are one of my new fav channels

  • @AlonsoCantu-q9l
    @AlonsoCantu-q9l ปีที่แล้ว +2

    good video quality and awesome motorsport facts, keep up the good work!. Great storytelling & calming voice Keep 'em coming!.

  • @milfordh.mercado2787
    @milfordh.mercado2787 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great choice my friend on this subject as i wanting to know how brutal porsche and audi where in doing speed runs was nothing more then flexing german muscle anyway thanks for the video and have nice weekend bye now. P.S Hey Stijn Paspont i noticed at 8:34 mark the infamous mazda fc hill climber who history need to be told my friend 😊😊.

  • @redradhako
    @redradhako ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Underrated channel

  • @samueldowney2806
    @samueldowney2806 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is such a great channel. Great video as always. Thank you Mr Stijn.

  • @chrisaaight6190
    @chrisaaight6190 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There is no Avus Ring in Hockenheim. There is the AVUS, pretty much a highway that was build for test and racing purposes, which is/was located in Berlin and there is the Hockenheimring in Hockenheim in the south of Germany.

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I know that. Thats why i said "the avus ring AND hockenheim in germany"

    • @Nitramrec
      @Nitramrec ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stijnpaspont But at the first attempt I didn't get the "AND" at 1:08 Min. too. I only recognized that you differentiate between the "Avus Ring" and the "Hockenheim Ring" after some more sentences.

  • @gafrers
    @gafrers ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wonderful video once again

  • @j3llybr34d7
    @j3llybr34d7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    finally a vid bout 917/30, yessss

  • @lewiskemp5893
    @lewiskemp5893 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Rusty Wallace took off his restrictor plate at a test and hit 228 mph at Talladega.

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow. Is that on average or down the backstraight?

    • @lewiskemp5893
      @lewiskemp5893 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@stijnpaspont backstretch going into turn 1 I think. I forgot what year

    • @himmelhero
      @himmelhero ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lewiskemp5893 2004

  • @Starfire_Storm
    @Starfire_Storm ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I always wonder.... How fast would a modern IndyCar be able to lap Talladega? I don't mean a race, God no, that's just ridiculous, but just set a lap. Because I mean.... If they can do 230+ mph on Indianapolis, which is not exactly the best track for sheer high speed numbers, how fast would it go on Talladega? I dare say 240, perhaps even close to 250 mph. Then again, I perfectly understand why it has never been and likely will never be tried. Probably one of the few things I really think an autonomous car would be great for just trying out things that are just far too dangerous for any human being to try.

    • @NBSV1
      @NBSV1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably not much faster than Indy. They’re already wide open around Indy and have basically minimal downforce. Even at Indy the turns drag them down a bit. So, unless they turn up the power, or reduce the drag they’re already basically at the top speed the car can go.

    • @skyhigh6089
      @skyhigh6089 ปีที่แล้ว

      Current IndyCars are limited by budget reasons. The former CART was faster. The fastest lap ever in a closed track was set by Gil de Ferrán in 2000, at Fontana, and is 241 mph and change.

  • @seanmunson4173
    @seanmunson4173 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I could be mistaken. I think rusty Wallace took an un restricted nascar around there in 229 range? I think it was in the early to mid 2000s

    • @JK-g62
      @JK-g62 ปีที่แล้ว

      I though Bill Elliot had that record...but maybe his was just a qualifying lap in 1987?

  • @wapangarang8167
    @wapangarang8167 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another great video!

  • @sportquattro8430
    @sportquattro8430 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Again a great video, maybe to mention is that both cars we're projects of Dr. Ferdinand Piëch, not primarily the record runs but the cars themselves :)
    Btw where did you find the '86 Pikes Peak footage?
    Keep up the good work!

  • @Enetso
    @Enetso ปีที่แล้ว

    That Audi is so mean looking, love it!

  • @PippieMomo
    @PippieMomo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Never heard of Avus Ring. New video idea?

  • @Lego_Huracan_SuperTrofeo
    @Lego_Huracan_SuperTrofeo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    4:43 Sorry to be nit-picky, the Track length isn't 2.5 miles long, that is Daytona, Talladega is 2.66 miles in length not 2.5.

    • @jackcphelps
      @jackcphelps ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the winner of pike's peak is the king of the mountain

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yup, i most likely used the actual daytona number as i had that open in a tab as well.

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jackcphelps that's also an honest mistake. i even have it in the script as "king of the mountain". yet i still said "king of the hill". i guess its cause the latter is a more common sentence. its just hardwired into my brain like that.

  • @samghost13
    @samghost13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Healthy is over 600 Horses i see i see. That one was so cool! 6:51

  • @reggiebanks7627
    @reggiebanks7627 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a cool video !

  • @pendremacherald6758
    @pendremacherald6758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s very simple.
    CAR GO VROOM
    I’m happy

  • @MrMakemyday3
    @MrMakemyday3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    buddy baker was the first over 200 there , in a nascar stock car

  • @garynichols3652
    @garynichols3652 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just want to know when Audi will race in NASCAR?

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well they scrapped the le mans hypercar in favor of F1. So the chances of them getting into nascar is about 0.0001%

    • @JK-g62
      @JK-g62 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@stijnpaspontid say its less than that 😂

    • @skyhigh6089
      @skyhigh6089 ปีที่แล้ว

      Never. They are focused on the European market which doesn't care for NASCAR.

  • @daveblock4061
    @daveblock4061 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember when this was done.

  • @guybeingaguy
    @guybeingaguy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whenever I look around at the cars on the road you just don’t see many Audi’s.
    I’ve lived in suburban Atlanta, Miami and in my travels.
    It’s a fantastic, top tier quality car but Americans never got the email I guess.
    Last few years I’ve mentally noted the amount of Tesla’s in Fort Lauderdale. They are EVERYWHERE!

    • @NBSV1
      @NBSV1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Audis are great, until stuff starts breaking. They’re difficult and expensive to work on. Packaging is very tight and often requires a lot of disassembly to do things that should be pretty simple.

    • @NewbombTurk.
      @NewbombTurk. ปีที่แล้ว

      What didn't help is that Audi never thought their performance line would sell in the U.S. (not sure why). We didn't start getting RS variants until the 2000's and then we never got all of the RS's.

    • @gomezgomezian3236
      @gomezgomezian3236 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great idea! Why doesn't Tesla go set a new closed lap record? 😉

    • @JK-g62
      @JK-g62 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dont know where u are lookin in ATL...but there are plenty of Audis...they stick out like sore thumbs because Audi drivers as a whole...are some of the worst drivers out there. They seem entitled to every dumb driving move they make.

    • @guybeingaguy
      @guybeingaguy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JK-g62 Tell me how that works?
      Does your DNA form your personality traits or the car you drive?
      See how dumb your comment is?
      You could have worded it differently but you chose the words, structured a sentence and verbalized it.
      You made yourself look like you are knowledgeable but you are scientifically dead wrong.
      Words matter.
      Do better.

  • @nathanielbailey108
    @nathanielbailey108 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey @audi you should enter nascar now :P

  • @MrMakemyday3
    @MrMakemyday3 ปีที่แล้ว

    that was impressive but it pales in comparison to todays NHRA 11,000 horsepower top fuel cars. they reach a top speed of 338+ MPH in 3.6 seconds, going only 1000 feet!!!

  • @kevinbodman1011
    @kevinbodman1011 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow

  • @samghost13
    @samghost13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would be cool to see what a V10 Formula 1 can pull off! The new Hybrid F1 Cars could also pull one but i am not shure about the Top Speed

    • @JK-g62
      @JK-g62 ปีที่แล้ว

      Theres always gear ratios to adjust for top speed.

    • @skyhigh6089
      @skyhigh6089 ปีที่แล้ว

      F1 is not optimized for top straight line speed but for turn speed. Today's F1 cars have horrible drag coefficients but they turn faster than any other land vehicle.

  • @bob_._.
    @bob_._. ปีที่แล้ว

    Talladega is 2.66 miles (4.280 km), not 2.5 miles (4.023 km).

  • @billlichirie14
    @billlichirie14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😁👍

  • @Bolt_theG35
    @Bolt_theG35 ปีที่แล้ว

    Talladega is 2.66 miles long not 2.5 Daytona is 2.5

  • @alexander1485
    @alexander1485 ปีที่แล้ว

    its ALL WHEEL DRIVE.... real 4wd (4x4) is RWD unless engaged in hi or low

  • @pipimontana
    @pipimontana ปีที่แล้ว +1

    strange thumbnail...

    • @stijnpaspont
      @stijnpaspont  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      i'm curious, why do you think that? genuine question. always up for feedback

    • @piuthemagicman
      @piuthemagicman ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@stijnpaspontdon't worry, it's a good thumbnail ✌

  • @MrGibble64
    @MrGibble64 ปีที่แล้ว

    sadly they pretended it was poland . . rous !! sadly the first gps in these cars only went east . .they just kept saying they needed more room . .