Can Virtual Reality Improve Real Life Table Tennis?! | 30 Day Challenge
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ม.ค. 2023
- Hey guys! Today we settle the debate, does playing Virtual Reality table tennis improve your real life table tennis? In this video we take an absolute beginner at table tennis, and coached her every day for 30 days in VR. We did this 30 day challenge using the table tennis Simulator called ELEVEN Table Tennis on the Quest 2 🏓
This is a sponsored video with Eleven
A big thanks to everyone below for helping with this video:
▶️Sulik
▶️Chloe
▶️And of course the incredible team at ELEVEN - กีฬา
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Have you played ELEVEN table tennis? 🏓
Yessir.
All the time
Addicted. Beats any home fitness program or equipment. From IRL beginner to club player, all benefit from the VR playing experience in Eleven. Physics are astonishingly real! Fun people, competition, international community, come join us!
Played it just before watching this. Been playing it for over two years now, never had to pick up a ball. It improves all the time, the devs are amazing.
Yes
As a person who started playing Table Tennis with Eleven , I can proudly say it's a great and uncanny realistic game, the skills absolutely translate, but the best part is, you never have to get the ball
This and you can practise with ball machine which is my favourite part since it would cost a lot to get a ball machine irl
Problem is how to get the same paddles spin and power
@@modattersalem5761 First of all you need one of these "paddle adapters" for the controller. This gives you a far better sense of blade alignment because you have something to put your index finger on like in real live. The weight increases to realistic levels (for me 5 grams heavier than my normal paddle, which is more on the light side) and the center of gravity also is shifted to the right place (deep in the handle with controller only).
Inside the game you can exactly tune each rubber to match your needs, but I have not tinkered with that so far just playing the standard "pro" paddle at the moment.
I had so much fun filming this with you, Dan. Can’t believe how much I improved! Never thought I’d be so excited to get on a real table but absolutely loved VR! Anyone fancy a game?! 😂🏓
I honestly cant believe how much u improved
Chloe, you're awesome and you did so well! This was so fun to watch!
You were awesome! Really fun to watch hope you are still playing its an incredibly fun game!
Smashed it Chloe! 1 year challenge now? 😁😁🏓
I want a game 😁
never played table tennis for almost a decade and was beginner to begin with, decided to play eleven during pandemic and really invest my time learning. Couldn't believe the improvement myself and how it all did translate into real table tennis skills!
Love this Kelee 🙌 Welcome back to 🏓
In our local table tennis league I went from loosing 95% my games to wining 60% of them just because of ELEVEN TT. One of my favourite game.
When I bought the Oculus Quest, as it was then, I had no idea it was a £299 tennis table. That's about all I use it for now, and it's great. Lost weight, and had fun doing it. No need for the exercise bike.
Love it! It sure is great for fitness you never need to pick up a ball, always straight back into the rally 😁
@@TableTennisDaily Picking up the ball is big part of the exercise, I simulate that every time before my serve.
What a brilliant experiment. Never expected the results would turn out as good as they did after just 30 days. Great stuff Dan and well done Chloe! :D
Thanks Matt! Yeah crazy how much Chloe improved I really was shocked. The suspense of playing after the 30 days was so cool haha
@@TableTennisDaily hope she finds some enjoyment in playing the game and keeps it up!
I don't want to diss the product, but give me the money paid for it and provide a table and I'll bring _four_ players of her starting ability up to that 1 month mark in one hour.
@@-danR an hour to teach four players from totally missing a ball to being able to hit backhand, forehand, a basic forehand loop a smash and a serve? That seems unrealistic and overconfident. I don’t think you could do that with one person in only one hour let alone four.
I experimented on myself as, I have a friend who plays, and we go to the same college, and we found a ping pong table, he introduced me to the game, I was ok but he kept beating me every round, so I had an Oculus and I got the game and played it for a week, and I noticed my skills in the VR game were basically passing on to Real life ping pong which was cool and great, At first I found myself hitting the ball to hard or missing, thanks to the VR game I could practice non-stop which helped me see and correct my mistakes
I never played TT before. Started in VR. Really enjoyed it, after several months, joined a club irl. Skills transferred over really well. Now a year and a half later, still playing irl and VR. Great vid!!!
Amazing Ken! We're you able to beat some players in the club who had been playing RL for a while? Thanks for the comment 👊
@TableTennisDaily not at first, but after a few weeks after getting used to feeling the "weight" of the ball, i was able to win against people with 4 to 5 years experience. Being able to play at home every day and against many different styles helped.
Must be good coming from vr game to irl. It is the opposite for me but I'm still impressed with the game and vr
This is amazing. I've been playing Eleven Table Tennis for over a year now and it's changed my life!
Great video Dan. This will help many IRL players get an idea of VR TT... and see that it isn’t like a Wii game 😅
300k Congrats!
This is an awesome idee. I was already wondering if and how much you can improve real life table tennis skills or can even mess them up.
So would be fun to see the mess up part where someone who can already play relatively decent. Like basic serve and attack stuff. Put him into VR and see if he got better or worse.
Because in VR you are not depending on your training facilities opening hours and can train whenever you want.
I really love the idea right now.
Edit: aaaaannnnnd having a virtual coaching software would be so easy to implement because you already have everything right there. Acceleration data, bat movement and so on. I hope VR tech improves fast. Already waiting to buy one but i am not satisfied with the current models.
Very nice. Great progress, super likeable. Please stay on the ball and keep training. It was a lot of fun to watch you. I will also try Eleven on my son's VR. 👍🏻
That is actually incredible!
I haven't played TT for a couple of years and I picked up Eleven VR a couple of days, and I'm amazed how real it feels! It's also really cool to see that it translates from VR to the real thing too!
Good job! Just wondering if there was some solo training involved with the Eleven Ball machine or if you kept it to 30-60 minutes a day of one on one training? If the machine wasn't used yet I'd expect results even more crazy than this. For sure once the stroke mechanics are more ingrained and your pupil can start working on footwork. Basically just want to confirm you can improve using VR also at higher levels. Either way very impressive improvement, hope she keeps playing table tennis in any or all dimensions. I keep getting stunned with people's progress training in VR.
I think the best part about eleven is that your coach is no longer only who is geographically available to you. Also, they did not mention it in the video, but both people are using a paddle adaptor. Definitely get one if you are transitioning from VR to regular table tennis - I suggest the Sanlaki! Top video Dan, thanks for sharing ❤
Thanks for the kind comment Daniel 🙏
Solid slime adapter 2.0 is considered to be the best
I never use an adapter, just RAW AGGRESSION BABY.
I’m rated 2008 btw lol
I'd also like to add that you can 3D print those adapters if you have a printer or the service is available around you. those adapters aren't available in all countries as a polished final product or available for a ridiculous cost
her topspin is unbelievably good considering she has only been playing for a month. this is so impressive. congrats
Yeah agreed I have been thinking about this a lot. In real life learning a forehand topspin can be challenging. Chloe has somehow learnt the forehand topspin and also most importantly the understanding of brushing the ball to get the shape/arc in the shot all in VR. I think in ELEVEN VR you need to play a topspin ball to keep the ball in play so you naturally have to play that action. So when you come to real life you already have the muscle memory for that moment.
Question. If I only coached Chloe in real life for 30 days would her forehand topspin be better than what it is now after the 30 VR days? 🤔
@@TableTennisDaily Can’t really say for sure as I’ve never played Eleven but a lot of credit has to go to Chloe too surely, she seems to have very good listening skills and is able to execute what she learns quite quickly.
@@TableTennisDaily Idea: Well it is something different but you could train her live for 30 days from now on and watch what happens!
This is really amazing! Considering how much harder it is to make it to a real table and play for an hour a day than it is to be at home and pick up a VR headset for an hour, I can really see this catching on.
VR ping pong has reconnected me with my high school ping pong buddies that live in other parts of the world now. Really cool stuff
Great video! While I definitely wasn't as green as Chloe when I started ETT, I wasn't very experienced. I would very rarely play with my friends and could sometimes go years without playing and when I did I would just focus on only getting heavy spin on the ball because it was fun. I've had ETT for a bit but didn't really start getting heavily into it until about October of 2022 and I have certainly grown leaps in game and real life and am learning new techniques from experiments as well as the great community in the game. I have not signed up for club play yet but am certainly interested. I have access to a table at work that I play with a co-worker and I definitely see a carry over. I saw someone mention the weight of the ball in another comment and that was probably the same for me as well. I do feel I can swing a little harder in VR and get more out of my paddle than RL, though my paddle is about 13 years old at this point so that doesn't help. I use the SolidSlime adapter and it has worked great for me. Before getting it, my FH worked very well but I had issues adjusting to the angle of my backhand for some reason and was inconsistent. I really enjoy your ETT videos and hope to see many more!
This is absolutely amazing, how can this not have 1m views. 30 days playing a video game and she suddenly looks like a real player. Insane.
I know insane improvement right!
This is an amazing video, really creative content 👏Could this be the future of sports coaching!?
What a fantastic idea! Well done on demonstrating how useful a tool Eleven is for new players particularly.
If you're a coach and you are training someone new to table tennis IRL, imagine how much faster your student will improve if they are able to go home and spend the next week practicing what they learned in your session. VR Absolutely maximises progress for new players and this video 100% proves it.
This was fantastic! More Chloe please, her genuine enthusiasm was priceless
I play Eleven with an penhold adaptor and it really helps me to improve beside my regular training - and it's also super fun!
where were you able to find a penhold adapter? could you send a link here?
Love it!
Great stuff! What a massive improvement. Very good technique!
Yeah incredible transformation!
No way, I've actually kinda done this. Started playing in eleven, six months later started in real life and I'm now playing in a real league in Scotland. I'm only division four but it's been a great journey and I'm having a lot of fun.
I should actually add that I bought the game originally after seeing your video about it, so thanks for that.
Just wondering what physics settings you used for your VR training?
I personally learned first in VR and then my ball recognition and shot quality transferred to IRL. It took a couple hits to get used to IRL (maybe because I didn’t use a proper paddle grip) but I began beating my friends who have played IRL way longer than I have
Such amazing progress! I haven't had a chance to try out ELEVEN Table Tennis but hoping to get a chance soon! Keep up the great videos!
Oh let us know how you find it when you give it a try. It really is mindblowing!
This is amazing to see. You can use ELEVEN to get a good foundation and then refine technique at the real table. Great content!
Thanks Dom! Yeah really impressive foundations!
This is so much fun!!! I love this video :D
Great vid pumped to start practicing on vr
Dan, you should invest in a new adapter for improved tracking! SolidSlime or Wasyl (if you have money to spend).
Beginners will undoubtedly improve with ETT, you’ve just proven it!
Advanced players like yourself - and I’m sure you’ve experienced it - will struggle to translate real-life techniques to ETT like-for-like, and you have to be willing to make some compromises. ETT physics are not 100% accurate (yet), so you need to adjust. What it does help good irl players with is physique and footwork! Some of my matches against other top-20 players are brutal!
Especially for people with a less-than-optimal technique, ETT can be a confidence booster. In England, I was hardly good enough for British League, while in ETT I’m a regular top 50 player (out of +1 million users)
Amazing how the skills learned in VR translated to the real table. Suprised by the quality of her chop! Gj of her and the coach :)
Haha thanks yes I blame the coach 😁 Yes agreed the chopping was very impressive, she was gripping/brushing the ball correctly
This is awesome, been playing Eleven for a couple weeks now and I wasn't sure if the skills would translate - cant wait to go head to head against someone now IRL!
Great idea, great video! I am on eleven sometimes, it has its pros and cons...but is always fun to play with an adapter. But they should work on the physics ...the table has too less impact on the bounce of the ball...but that really depends on how used you are to the real game.
Yeah the dev guys are working everyday making it aw realistic as possible. That's their number 1 goal to which is pretty cool 🙌
wow this is awesome... would be so great if this could be also in schools for learning >D
I think we will see this in schools in the future, I wouldn't be surprised if some schools are already using them 🏓
"It's absolutely mental." such a British phrase, it makes me giggle every time I hear it.
Can't wait to put the skills I learned from TTD tutorials and the almost 2 years of playing ETT into action on a real table. Never played IRL but looking forward to it. I am absolutely hooked on TT. And as for TTD content, you guys are legends. One day I will loop like the Captain. Lol.
Make sure your first experience is not with a ship paddle
@@joseandresjulienbarriere8786, thanks for the advice. I was wondering about that. I use the settings that some IRL players say is like a pro paddle. Max bounce, 91 spin and 1.14 FH and 1.11 BH.
Me from irl to the vr game. The game taught me more skills than in real table because I don't have to search for a person to play with me and grab a ball every time. Definitely one of the first showcase of the potential vr is and beyond with an app that is actually decent
I love seeing her enjoyment of progressing over time. VR gaming is surprisingly fun! I remember the Wii Sports game that came with that system and how fun that was. Turns out motion tracking rather than accelerometers is the way to go!
Wow,crazy to see how much she improved
Agreed. New doubles partner beast?
This happened to me during covid. I had just taken up the game when covid hit and was an absolute beginner. I met a few very helpful players on 11 who gave me some free coaching and when I went back to irl table tennis I was much improved. Even joined the league. But can affect irl play if you don't use an adaptor to play the game.
I didn’t even have a forehand when I started playing eleven. I’m now rated 2300 and when I play in real life it takes me a second to adjust but so much transfers! Great game, great video
Wow, just after 30 days, Chloe now can be a choleee!!
Hahaha 🤣
Awesome idea for a video!
This is amazing simulator. It's worth buying quest 2 just for this game alone. It costs like real table tennis but you can play with much less space, play everyday with people around the world and there is fancy table tennis robot for practice returns and shots and this is really expensive IRL.
Yeah it's an incredible bit of kit!
the physics in the software must be perfect! amazing. but how to calculate with different types of rubbers? different rubbers would have different effects. is there some function where you can input the rubber name? that would be really cool
This video made me buy quest 3 and i love it.
I played table tennis for many years. Her learning progress is unbelievably good. Congratulations!
What was the training protocol?
This is awesome.
No way.. This is really cool!
Great video this was a very interesting experiment
Thanks David 🔥
What a good video!!! Thank you
Thanks for tuning in Alexey!
Really impressive result!
8:13 the Truls Moregard special!
Hey Dan, great concept and really well made video!
I was talking to friends about this and we were unsure:
Up to wich player level would you say that virtual training can actually help you improve?
For beginners it obviously helps a lot.
But how about a player on your level? Would you see a benefit for your own training overall or at least in certain areas?
Hey Felix great question! Maybe it's something I can try next 👀
I play both VR and RL, I can adjust between the two easily now. One thing I find VR really helps is decision making. When you play the top guys on ELEVEN you have to be so quick at reading between backhand and forehand. Agreed though would be cool to do it with a advanced player. The only issue is, it will be hard to measure ones improvement if they already have a stable, solid game?
Thanks for your response! :)
Would love to see a video of you trying out some stuff.
If I had to come up with something right now (I’ve never tried VR), I’d try to learn a new serve. That could be something you could compare with a before/after sequence. Maybe you can think of a serve you can’t really do consistently now or compare the precision of a serve you can already play to 30 days later after practising it to be more precise in VR.
Maybe there’s an exercise that you struggle with that you could try out in VR for a while and then try again in real life.
Cool thing about the decision making aspect, though. Could be an interesting aspect considering reaction times and overall game reading abilities.
These results are crazy 🤯 Coaches can now help develop players anywhere in the world !!!
Fantastic stuff
This is fantastic
definitely gonna get eleven tt this once i get vr
This is absolutely astonishing ....
I did play Elven Table Tennis for a while when we were not allowed to play Table Tennis indoor but even though I won most matches I got kinda pissed of the headset randomly loosing track of my racket and stuff like that as well as some people doing weird high speed serves I have never seen even half as fast in reality plus not having enough space in my flat to properly move.
Still the game wasn't to bad and seeing how she improved in that one month is crazy.
How long did the "train" each day ?
The Technique isn't really that good especially as you can't correct it in VR not seeing her movements except for the racket but still very good.
The tracking has improved a lot now, and 120hz has made it feel much more realistic. Have to play with the settings to get it most realistic. Still get some crazy servers, but a lot of good players too, so I usually enjoy playing.
@@sharpvidtube Not sure, haven't played for almost two years and I guess most of the tracking issues aren't related to the game but more to the headset...
Hey Kevin. Yeah the game has come on massively! So each day we did 1 hour training each day 🏓
@@XYoukaiX Yes, Meta made some improvements, made a huge difference. Can't play through the table, or rush serves now either. It's a big improvement on two years ago.
It's amazing to see a simulator that works that well... wow I would love to try this, maybe I'll get the meta quest 2, who knows
Hey Lorenzo yeah it's incredible. The Quest 2 and ELEVEN is unreal I highly recommend it 🏓
How’s the force feedback for the VR? TT is a delicate game where feeling for the ball is vital.
It's pretty amazing, but the game is so realistic the potential to coach people all over the world is possible watching this. I'm going to give it a go with my kids 👍
Did you tweak the physics at all for this or did you use defaults?
If a table tennis robot actually had rails to move..... and the table can detect where to ball hits, so a screen connected to the robot on the other side can project another player doing a move that correlates with the spin and speed the robot is launching the ball from your POV do the moves according to where the ball hit, and your racket also detects how hard and what spin you put onto the ball.
That will definitely improve table tennis.
Great video idea Dan! The improvements made in such a short time were very impressive. I'm interested in giving it a go myself as getting out to play for real can be difficult for me, could anyone give me any info on what kind of hardware/software I need to get started? As I've never tried VR before. Thanks 😀
Meta Quest 2 + Eleven Table Tennis + an adapter (one among Decathlon, Solidslime, Sanlaki)
Where did you get the attachment for the controller?
Increible. Maybe I can correct my technique after 40 years😂
Haha never too late Tony! 🙌
@@TableTennisDaily How long did she practice each day?
Absolutely incredible
🙌🔥
8:13 Almost Franziska warning on that one haha.
Rapidfire!
Holyyy this is so amazing
Yeah crazy improvement right!?
@@TableTennisDaily So crazy, the way she's brushing the ball is unreal. What really blew my mind was her topspin against backspin balls.
Come to Norway!
That is unreal. She became so good!
Yeah insane! Thanks for watching!
This is what thé game needs: empirical and reallife proof of the benefits of vr gaming. Thx a lot: the community is forever in your debt!!
Really impressive
Amazing! If it was 1st April then this would definitely be a wind up! Does the controller feel like a real bat even though it looks a bit weird? I wonder what level someone could reach using this method. Now we could all be coached by Tom the Frog, (or even by Timo the Boll.)
Controller feels like very light bat with big handle.
I have solidslime adapter (little different from what ison the video) it feels just like real bat with proper weight distribution.
@@skaposzczet I guess that the main missing element is the feel of the ball hitting the bat.
@Andrew Grant
I don't think so. IRL ball hitting the bat is really delicate. Quest controllers vibrate when you hit the ball and it really feels like you hit a ball.
Main difference for me is that in the game it doesn't matter if you hit ball with center spot of the bat or no. Still simulation is mind blowing and affects real play.
It really is a great video, I'm gonna comment twice 🤣 and do we need a name on her shirt now @TableTennisDaily 🤔
We absolutely do! Any suggestions? 😂
Everytime I've played it, when I come back to training, It fully messes with me and ruins my technique
Actually got into table tennis and signed up at my local club because of playing Eleven Table Tennis!
I’m wondering which kind of adapter was used in the video?
exelent too see, to learn in 30days
Yeah it's impressive 💪🏓
Shocking! 😂
Vert interesting and surprising
Agreed Joe!
What makes eleven vr so effective is because how real the physics are and how quick you can pick up a ball.
When you buy the quest 2 the ping pong game is free or paid?
When she landed that first topspin on the real table, Dan was like GET OUT OF HEAR!!! 😂
Haha so legit 💯 I was shocked! Of course having seen how good her forehand topspin was getting in VR, I couldn't wait to see if it would work in RL, and her first topspin it worked haha!
Obv. the only problem really is that you cant see limb movement, hence the punchy driving problem that didn't get quite adressed until real life playing.
4:28 “I’m really excited to go on the table now” - that’s what she said!
Today I was like... let me check this table tennis game... 3 hours later...
Her improvement is madddd
What paddles are you using?
crazy! its wonderful to see how eleven is this good at training newbies and getting them over the roof in skills. Very good work for those who developed the game and the table tennis community
It's insane how well the VR training actually translated to the development of the overall stroke. I didn't think it would be that effective honestly.
100% couldn't agree more. I couldn't believe how well Chloe could play in real life after the 30 days in VR. Incredible!
I play it in vr sometimes but never in real life but it is super fun
It works fine 💪
I am new to this VR world but a big fond of playing Table tennis game (real one)... Now I am thinking of buying a VR headset/console and table tennis game... Please suggest me which one should I buy ??
Quest 3 + solidslime v2 adapter, game Eleven Tabel Tennis.
It’s so insane to see how tech can do so much in many so many ways
Yeah insane! When I first tried ELEVEN I couldn't believe it, I was like I thought this is the sort of technology we'd see in 2040... not now! It's incredible aha
Ahah absolutely insanity, and the eleven table tennis game id amazingly acurate aswell
@@TableTennisDailyI play table tennis, and this game is as close to real TT as it can get. Only a few things needs to be improved such as clutching and ball disappearing during serve, the smashes come off real slow compared to real life
In my opinion: the game is good for learning the basics, but there are some differences. Like they say here: yes it learns you to play pingpong, but not tabletennis.
To clarify: Yes you will be able to play a bit of tabletennis, but it is not enough to start playing competition.
with the play ingame, if you do the same moves IRL, you will or play the ball in the net, or to return it, but return it that high, that your adversary can easily attack on it.
Also Spin is treated in another way ingame than IRL, not to forget the wide variety of rubbers
Now I would like to see a 30 day challenge where a real-life table tennis player volunteers to only play Eleven Table Tennis for 30 days to determine if and how much his abilities decline in real life during that time.
Feel like it’s obvious that eleven would improve irl play, certainly has for me. I mean playing regular tennis has an effect too, there are likely transferable skills in all racquet sports.