What I like about this video is that it is a true exploration. It's not been done ten times off camera or over researched. Just a video of you trying some stuff, discovering, making some mistakes along the way. Curiosity at it's best. Just try stuff!
techniques that have been tried and tested for hundreds of years are allways better than what some guy just invented in his garage ... people from countries with old cultures understand this
@@myname-mz3lo I don't disagree with you but I think there is some value in screwing around, making mistakes to learn why things should be done a certain way. Yes you can follow tried and true perfected methods to get a consistent result but there is some base knowledge missing if you don't screw around and fuck stuff up once in a while. Don't ignore your elders advice, but its also ok to find out why they gave the advice in the first place. The journey and destination each have their value.
And then people that are trying to be nice get you something made for what you're using it for but it doesn't work as well/isn't as versatile and it ruins wanting to do the thing
Soak amd disolve the pine pitch in grain alcohol or even denatured alcohol. Wait until everything dissolves (adding more alcohol as needed) then pour through coffee filters. Let sit until it turns to a molasses consistency, then heat and pour into silicon molds. Viola... Pure pine resin for all your needs. Melt, add bees wax and charcoal, you got pitch, wax and scents in verying amounts... mustache wax to Bow rosin... Etc.
@@avanti2762 get a cleaner batch to use instead, unless you wanna pick out the contaminants by hand lol this stuff Is wayyy too sticky to do that. Hope this helps you out in some way ✌
@@avanti2762actually now that I've read the original comment. It seems like you can dissolve it in denatured alcohol then filter it through some coffee filters. According to the original post here I haven't done it myself so I don't know exactly if it works. Sounds like it should in theory.
My grandmother made this and used it as a topical antibacterial ointment. Cured staph skin infections back in the day. My mom still buys pure pine sap in Mexico and we always have the sap around.
Definitely an outdoor activity. My first attempt at this was similar to yours. I now have slabs of resin saved up. All the leftover wood material are perfect for getting camp fires lit. No waste, it's all useful.
Slabs aka roof tiles :-D Heat edges to seal individual tiles to others and layer of moss/needles on top to protect from sun 👍 The exact reason I found this video haha, roof tiling and bath/waterbutt sealing.
Violinist here. I have tried a drop of hard sap on bow hair, and it worked like a charm. It was very clear and hard ish, but not totally hard. Cellists used a darker rosin than violinist, it being more sticky. Bass players too, that stuff is really sticky. Btw i burn little sticks in a can like this when i sit on the porch, really red pine, mosquitos hate it, and it puts joy in my heart😅😅😅
This video is like spending an afternoon with a really interesting guy in a musty, dusty workshop. Almost heaven, even with the small, not totally unexpected fire.
Warning to everyone: be careful distilling turpentine from ponderosa pine tree sap. If you accidentally get a Jeffrey pine tree, which looks very similar, the sap will contain highly flammable heptane. Turpentine distillers have had their equipment explode when heptane vapor caught fire.
The end product of turpentine is mostly H2O. After letting it settle you will see a separation between the H2O & turpentine. Good job at just getting in there and trying it for yourself.
@guided one Tapping a tree is almost exactly how it sounds. Drilling a hold into and sticking a tap into a tree. A tap like your water tap at the sink. It's how things like maple syrup are extracted.
@@WrjonesJones Pine beetles chew in through the bark so that shouldn’t be an issue. Injuring the tree does create an infection court but it’s not guaranteed to be a problem unless spores land in it. It can be done safely if you do it right, just the same as me doing an increment core sample to see a tree’s age without cutting the tree down.
‘When things look neat they probably have a good use’ - hah, yes! I can completely relate to this idea. Edit: addition/ loved that he kept the mistakes and awkward moments of trying to figure it out. He looks like how most people do when we watch a ‘how to’ video and try to do it after 😀 Beautiful results!
Super informative, thanks for sharing your experiment! I think that the end product may be a form of pine tar which has many excellent health benefits and used to be used in sweets and healthy cuisine prior to the degrading of food standards.
Yes, thank you! We use Rosin on our Bow Hair because as it is stripped off the block of Rosin, the microscopic barbs on the Siberian Horse's Tail Hair abraid the Rosin, heating it and the inherent abrasive quality of the bow hair cause our strings to vibrate. As the bow travels across my strings it sheds some of these barbs and it settles as white dust on my Violin etc. As the Rosin dust literally flies when we play loud in the orchestra 😊
even though there are plenty of non educated comments , thank you for the instructions to show me what to do to process frankensence from the middle east ... what you have done is far beyond taking anti- biotics , and by the way , the turpines are shown to be very beneficial for the human genome to rid the body of parasites such as those that love sugar... the question many individuals must ask themselves is ; is it me that loves sweets or is it the parasites asking me to provide more food for them to eat ... think candida albicans and symptoms ... then comment ... with gratitude for your experiment and showing it , thank you kindly ...
Following your curiosity and letting the process teach you is a great attribute, It's becoming a very rare gift, and you have it!! I use Pine Tar and Turpentine in a lot of homemade products including Skin balm, Soap, Shampoo, Wood Finish, Leather finish (Hubert's 1800's recipe). The native americans used that sap mixed with toasted egg shells or clam shells (crushed to fine powder) to make epoxy for their Arrows and other items. another cool one to make is Birch bark extract (i have not found anything that prevents leather mold and mildew better than Birch Bark extract). Subscribed - cool stuff man - keep it up!!
That was awesome! I use turpentine as a fire starter. I dip a small piece of wood in it and use it to start my rocket stove. I don't know if it makes any difference, but I just feel like using turpentine is more natural and perhaps has less hazardous fumes than something that comes from petroleum
Thanks. Never done this myself, but I think that this sort of chemistry more or less saved the Old South's economy after the US Civil War. The starting materials were dirt cheap, and with a bit of training you'd make a ready for market material, as there are many uses for pine sap related products. And because you really didn't need a lot of specialized equipment, nearly anyone could do the extraction process. Because people got used to thinking in terms of chemistry, it was easier for them to turn their thoughts to other sorts of chemistry.
Another name for this substance is Colophony, rosin of pine. It has been used as a key ingredient for making cylinder records for Gillet phonographs with a mixture of paraffin wax. When hardened the mixture is poured into a cylinder mold. Once cooled the wax Colophony cylinder is cut on the edges to make it smooth. Then turned on a mandrel to cut the grooves in and then a recordable stylus is used to record sound or music on the cylinder. You probably overheated it. It should be a lighter red
I am loving this video, this is exactly how I work, "saw a tree bursting with sap at work ao I collected some" "I have a random can that looks greqt for this project" "seen this on an episode of surviver" "I should have done this outside... welp its fine" "was doing great now everythings on fire" "I don't really know what this is but it's something I made" are all things I've said
Well done. I like your perspective. "OK, how am I going to do this?" I say that several times a day, I call it "Reinventing the Wheel" since industry obviously knows how to do this, but I don't.
Dennis, Thanks for the vid. Please put up more vids on this as you perfect your methods. Great information for survivalists or off-gridders. : ) Make sure to emphasize (Ventilation) because the fumes can be extremely irritating to some. I grew up chewing on pine pitch. I would get the dark stuff that was about half dry at the base of the tree, pop it in my mouth and chew it while hiking in the countryside and grazing along the way, or simply playing hard. Never chewed much gum while growing up, but chewed on a lot of pitch. : )
Here are two reasons why you didn’t get clear turpentine at the end. The starting material was not fresh sap, known as gum. You have to remove the bark and collect it over time (1-2 weeks) to get the gum flowing. Your starting material was resin, which is a completely different material with different chemical composition from sap/gum. Secondly, before distillation you should add some water to the sap/gum to minimize fire risk and make it easier to heat. The distillate will have two layers, the top layer being turpentine. Your end product is not turpentine and I’m not even sure what to call it. Good effort but there are easily searchable resources explaining this process.
The rosin word is bringing a smile to my face. My grandfather, whom I never got to know, as he died when I was very young, would tell my older cousin, when he asked what something was made from, would say; "Sheep shite and rosin". No matter what the thing was.
Really cool man its actually varnish if u crush it into powder n mix it with spirit n Contain it in a plastic bottle keep in sunlight three too four days n use its to varnish wood
Yeah, I tried a similar approach today, but my mesh was too fine. Will get larger mesh tomorrow and try again. Have LOTS to process. I was hoping for a light colored end result, but based on all the videos, I guess the result is usually very dark to black-ish. At least now I know it'll work, eventually... :)
Mesh is a very effective heat sink and dissipates heat in thick melted pine pitch quickly. Heat the screen mesh. Even consider shorting a nine-volt battery or two across the screen to keep it very hot. Then more resin will pour through. By the way, maybe try a fine metal screen, cheese cloth or coffee filter for finer filtering. Paper towels are made to absorb and dissolve. All at your own risk. Great start - good video.
I also have had big problems with this stuff. I collected literally buckets full of this same resin because I want to use it, combined with wax, to boil and protect beehives. The nature of this stuff makes it so difficult to work with. The temperatures in which it changes from a solid to a liquid and then to FIRE seemed very critical. Good video.
Ooh, that's one use I hadn't thought of - sealing wood. Great idea. I hope to post a video about different formulations with beeswax. I've found that the rosin, once rendered down, doesn't catch fire easily. Adding beeswax will certainly change that. I'm jealous, I'd love to have a source where I could find buckets of pitch!
I put the can with the screen over a hot plate at med heat. It really accelerated the separation process, the sap just pours out afterwards and u dont really need to clean the screen between pours! This method is only good for about 2 or 3 times before you have to let the can /screen cool down a bit.
I have melted it down with a bit of water in my resin so I could get all the trash out. Then you can cook it down to get back to the consistency of the resin
Might I suggest, next time using the boiling with the filters already within, under the sap? Staying hot would filter it smoothly. Neither of your filters look to be in any danger of catching fire, although I cannot tell if the one is simply window screen nylon. In either case, you can of course find metal ones. Good to see the experimental initiative. Enjoy it so far. I suspect there is a findable list of temperature ranges for the changes in state. Nice video, thanks for sharing.
+SeeTheWholeTruth that's a great suggestion. I'm looking for more pitch now and will render it down with the filters in place. The screen I have is aluminum window screen so should be fine for this. I'll see if I can record temperature while I'm at it.
that was cool brother. a few years back I went to visit some family in Mexico. early one morning I went along with one of my cousins to cut down a few trees for firewood for the winter one of the trees we cut or chop or fall down was what I believe to be a pine tree the tree wasn't dead or dry nothing like that it was a green healthy living tree when the tree was down my cousin pointed out that this was one of his favorite trees to start the fires he then cut a few small logs they seem to be full of resent all the way around he pulled out a lighter and the small log started to burn like if the resent was gasoline or some type of exellerent..it was just cool to see that..thnx for posting bro..
So I'd been doing some research on Celtic headhunting after seeing that we now have evidence that it was actually done. In Roman accounts its said heads were preserved in pine resin. The paper said that these severed heads they studied did indeed contain traces of pine resin that had been heated. So I think it may have been rosin the heads were preserved in. And with this video as a visual reference I have an idea of how this would look if correct. So thanks.
You could probably use a little acetone or even turpentine itself to dissolve the sap/resin. Would reove the need to heat for filtering, might even allow for a finer filter
I dissolve it in alcohol first then strain it to remove the trash. Then I sit it in sun light to evaporate most of the alcohol. Then I heat it on my hot plate to get rid of any remaining alcohol and water. While it's hot I pour it through a automotive paint strainer.
violin players can use it to rub on the bow for friction. The rosin makes an excellent glass polish to. I kind of scrape it on the glass and then buff off with cloth.
What an astounding display of incompetence. "Nobody else seems to have done this before" If you had bothered to do any research beforehand, you would have had enough information to be much more effective at what you did manage to do. Thank you for giving a good example of what not to do.
Everyone is now dumber for having watched this, lol. Nah, this was interesting to watch, and I just had the thought of doing this a few days ago with the spruce trees in my garden, and I found this vid without even doing a search for 'how to make your own turps from pine sap'. I just searched for terebenthine.
Put a heavy rock on the lid. You can also use your sap to make a salve added to pine pitch, make the pitch outside using 2 large coffee sized cans, buried inside the fire to make your pine pitch, you can find further details online, its what we natives do in the bush, also good for bush survival, its great for all types of uses including medicinal.
It is not a tree or pine sap but tree resin. I am not sure what you want to do with it but I boil it the same but you need to put some oil into it. I use olive oil. You just need to put about 2 spoons. After you can easily filter it.
some people put the stuff in cheesecloth then put the cheesecloth in the pan with water and then remove the cheese cloth full of the bits and the let the water cool and the sap is on the top
An older gentleman in the neighborhood gave me a soap making lesson over the weekend and it was a lot of fun, I highly recommend it. Haven't collected enough sap to refine for soaps & salves yet, but I made a powder of mixed conifer needles and some antimicrobial spices for the batch. It smelled great at the time; looking forward to seeing how the bars come out after they've finished molding & aging 😃 !Just make sure you read up on how to properly handle caustic lye first! That shits no joke
I like this..reminds me of a nice branch from a florida black oak with a good blob of resin. Enjoyed shining light threw it. Even had a wood boaring insect you can hear from time to time but unfortunately my mother threw it out!
I'll bet that rosin would work great for my cello bow. Or any bow. Dark rosin is always the best. I'll have to try making my own. Would save a lot of money.
That is fascinating. I've been wondering if I can make an alternative fuel from tree sap. I'm also considering making fuel for a steam powered generator if I cant make it burn like a liquid fuel.
Curious if the sachet method could be used with pine resin like with wax. Put raw stuff in a muslin bag, toss it in boiling water, when it reaches melting temp pull the bag out that now only has the impurities. Wait for the water to boil off and then pour into your mold
@@avanti2762 have not thought about that as I use mine in sealant for leather and firestarters, may look into stopping at melt, pull the sachet and then let the puck solidify.
Ok so heres how i do it. I think i could do it differently like heating the sides, but i digress. I use a metal funnel with a screen at the bottom and light all the pitch and sticks, watching how much is in the funnel. I use a bbq lid as a wind protection if windy and to let a bit of air in and not let big sparks escape. If it goes out or you put it out to add more pitch while its all hot its quite easy to light again. But like i said at first, maybe i should light a fire around the covered pitch inside the funnel as to extract a more pure tar in the end?
The sap solidified because you didn’t heat it long enough or heat it enough to have the ideal viscosity you’d need to strain the debris out. It’s cool you’re still trying something new to you like this though.
I'm actually looking for a source to tap into to. My goal is to find a group of pinon pine trees. I absolutely love that smell. It doesn't smell piney at all...it has a very unique odor. Living in Los Angeles, I'm sure I'll find some trees. Just need to start hiking! :)
At what point does it lose its flammability? I'm looking to refine some resin, but don't want to lose any of the VOC's that give it its flammable nature.
You need to thin it down with either isopropanol or ethanol then strain it and then cook it down easy peasy the alcohol Cooks off and it's completely clean after that
I have been buying refined pinon pine resin on Amazon for sometime now, but now I want to start refining my own resin. I found a group of pine trees seaping with sap and wonder how to get a very clean golden color refined resin. The resin I buy online is beautifully refined...pure golden color. So far I know they "purify their resin gently". What I am guessing they do is use low heat to filter the impurities to keep that golden color. I'm sure using high heat will make the resin turn dark or even black. I bet there is a fine line to getting a beautiful refined pine resin. Any thoughts?
I have a theory about the color - a lot of the pitch that I collected already had a reddish color to it. I found that this pitch also had a different consistency and seemed to ooze from random spots on the tree. Other pitch that was clear came from wounds in the tree and there wasn't nearly as much of this clear stuff. It seems that the tree wounds heal pretty quickly and not much resin comes out. Where the big globs of reddish stuff collects I am guessing there is some sort of bug living inside that doesn't allow the tree's wound to fully heal. I bet that this reddish color has something to do with the bug as well - maybe the pitch is contaminated with something the bug excretes. Again just a theory from what I've observed and I haven't done any research on this. I bet the color of the final product depends a lot on where and how the pitch was collected.
What Dennis Does yea it really depends on the type of tree you get the resin from. The resin i buy online is flawless! But it's getting way too expensive especially since i am trying to make soap out of it. I also make a salve and works wonders. I add propolis, she butter, candelilla wax, almomd oil and resin. Keeps my skin very clear. I also tried spruce resin and so far this one smells best.
What I like about this video is that it is a true exploration. It's not been done ten times off camera or over researched. Just a video of you trying some stuff, discovering, making some mistakes along the way. Curiosity at it's best. Just try stuff!
techniques that have been tried and tested for hundreds of years are allways better than what some guy just invented in his garage ... people from countries with old cultures understand this
@@myname-mz3lo I don't disagree with you but I think there is some value in screwing around, making mistakes to learn why things should be done a certain way. Yes you can follow tried and true perfected methods to get a consistent result but there is some base knowledge missing if you don't screw around and fuck stuff up once in a while. Don't ignore your elders advice, but its also ok to find out why they gave the advice in the first place. The journey and destination each have their value.
1:01 "when things look neat they probably have a good use" you are my spirit animal
HE IS INDEED MY SPIRIT ANIMAL! I'M 1000000000000% LIKE HIM LMAO
I get that! Hard for me to throw out/ recycle such things.
And then people that are trying to be nice get you something made for what you're using it for but it doesn't work as well/isn't as versatile and it ruins wanting to do the thing
True words to live by, yes.
Soak amd disolve the pine pitch in grain alcohol or even denatured alcohol. Wait until everything dissolves (adding more alcohol as needed) then pour through coffee filters. Let sit until it turns to a molasses consistency, then heat and pour into silicon molds. Viola... Pure pine resin for all your needs. Melt, add bees wax and charcoal, you got pitch, wax and scents in verying amounts... mustache wax to Bow rosin... Etc.
What if the pine pitch came in stuck with needles and barks and the bugs? How would one get rid of that?
@@avanti2762 get a cleaner batch to use instead, unless you wanna pick out the contaminants by hand lol this stuff Is wayyy too sticky to do that.
Hope this helps you out in some way ✌
@@avanti2762actually now that I've read the original comment. It seems like you can dissolve it in denatured alcohol then filter it through some coffee filters. According to the original post here I haven't done it myself so I don't know exactly if it works. Sounds like it should in theory.
@@Handles-R-Lame Thank you for the help!
How would a mix of pine resin and beeswax go for a fire starter? With hession bag and or cotton as a nice natural waterproof one
My grandmother made this and used it as a topical antibacterial ointment. Cured staph skin infections back in the day. My mom still buys pure pine sap in Mexico and we always have the sap around.
I did this with a fine metal coffee filter mesh in the oven at 290F and it all melted and was very clear.
Definitely an outdoor activity. My first attempt at this was similar to yours. I now have slabs of resin saved up. All the leftover wood material are perfect for getting camp fires lit. No waste, it's all useful.
Slabs aka roof tiles :-D
Heat edges to seal individual tiles to others and layer of moss/needles on top to protect from sun 👍
The exact reason I found this video haha, roof tiling and bath/waterbutt sealing.
Super cool. Distilling turpentine is on my bucket list. Been researching old methods and such. I'm surprised you got so much.
Dude you make some awesome handmade leather hides! Nice to see you around these parts looking to make some turpentine!
Good day to you my friend!
Violinist here. I have tried a drop of hard sap on bow hair, and it worked like a charm. It was very clear and hard ish, but not totally hard. Cellists used a darker rosin than violinist, it being more sticky. Bass players too, that stuff is really sticky. Btw i burn little sticks in a can like this when i sit on the porch, really red pine, mosquitos hate it, and it puts joy in my heart😅😅😅
This video is like spending an afternoon with a really interesting guy in a musty, dusty workshop. Almost heaven, even with the small, not totally unexpected fire.
Warning to everyone: be careful distilling turpentine from ponderosa pine tree sap. If you accidentally get a Jeffrey pine tree, which looks very similar, the sap will contain highly flammable heptane. Turpentine distillers have had their equipment explode when heptane vapor caught fire.
5 drops of the terpentine in pineapple juice every morning.. gets rid of the stuff water cant.. its amazing.
The end product of turpentine is mostly H2O. After letting it settle you will see a separation between the H2O & turpentine. Good job at just getting in there and trying it for yourself.
I love this. The experimentation is so great, it encourages me to get out there and start messing around with stuff again.
you have convinced me to tap all the pine trees on my property! el experimento in progresso
I just got this idea the other day, with my 2 spruce trees to make my own Gum turpentine. How did it work out for you?
@guided one Tapping a tree is almost exactly how it sounds. Drilling a hold into and sticking a tap into a tree. A tap like your water tap at the sink.
It's how things like maple syrup are extracted.
Youd have to do it in early spring if it would work.
Did you tap tree's, if so did you kill them or introduce the pine beetle to them (inevitable death)?
@@WrjonesJones Pine beetles chew in through the bark so that shouldn’t be an issue. Injuring the tree does create an infection court but it’s not guaranteed to be a problem unless spores land in it. It can be done safely if you do it right, just the same as me doing an increment core sample to see a tree’s age without cutting the tree down.
That is still pine pitch. Basically, you made some refined, high-quality, nature's hot melt glue.
Thanks very much for the demonstration - today I went to the woods and found some pine sap and made my own. Your video was very helpful.
This was so awesome to watch. I love the "I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm gonna see how it turns out!" attitude.
‘When things look neat they probably have a good use’ - hah, yes! I can completely relate to this idea.
Edit: addition/ loved that he kept the mistakes and awkward moments of trying to figure it out. He looks like how most people do when we watch a ‘how to’ video and try to do it after 😀
Beautiful results!
Super informative, thanks for sharing your experiment! I think that the end product may be a form of pine tar which has many excellent health benefits and used to be used in sweets and healthy cuisine prior to the degrading of food standards.
You're playing with a tree's scab
Ahhhh! You mean I chewed on tree scab, as a kiddo? Oh man. : )
Ja, and flowers are plants sex organs, girls always smell them.
I EAT tree scabs. Mmmh. NOM NOM NOM. I also eat their ovaries, and have licked their sperm. :(
That is some good quality shatter you have there.
My thoughts exactly and the reason I came to read the comments. Especially as a shatter maker myself lmaoo😂
Yes, thank you! We use Rosin on our Bow Hair because as it is stripped off the block of Rosin, the microscopic barbs on the Siberian Horse's Tail Hair abraid the Rosin, heating it and the inherent abrasive quality of the bow hair cause our strings to vibrate. As the bow travels across my strings it sheds some of these barbs and it settles as white dust on my Violin etc. As the Rosin dust literally flies when we play loud in the orchestra 😊
even though there are plenty of non educated comments , thank you for the instructions to show me what to do to process frankensence from the middle east ... what you have done is far beyond taking anti- biotics , and by the way , the turpines are shown to be very beneficial for the human genome to rid the body of parasites such as those that love sugar... the question many individuals must ask themselves is ; is it me that loves sweets or is it the parasites asking me to provide more food for them to eat ... think candida albicans and symptoms ... then comment ... with gratitude for your experiment and showing it , thank you kindly ...
Following your curiosity and letting the process teach you is a great attribute, It's becoming a very rare gift, and you have it!! I use Pine Tar and Turpentine in a lot of homemade products including Skin balm, Soap, Shampoo, Wood Finish, Leather finish (Hubert's 1800's recipe). The native americans used that sap mixed with toasted egg shells or clam shells (crushed to fine powder) to make epoxy for their Arrows and other items. another cool one to make is Birch bark extract (i have not found anything that prevents leather mold and mildew better than Birch Bark extract).
Subscribed - cool stuff man - keep it up!!
That was awesome! I use turpentine as a fire starter. I dip a small piece of wood in it and use it to start my rocket stove. I don't know if it makes any difference, but I just feel like using turpentine is more natural and perhaps has less hazardous fumes than something that comes from petroleum
I learned multiple things in this video. This would make a good high school chemistry project
the scented fumes should be limonene (boils around 315 F i believe). Your distillate could be a combo of limonene, water, and wood alcohol.
I really love your "I'm just gonna give this a shot" attitude.
Thanks. Never done this myself, but I think that this sort of chemistry more or less saved the Old South's economy after the US Civil War. The starting materials were dirt cheap, and with a bit of training you'd make a ready for market material, as there are many uses for pine sap related products. And because you really didn't need a lot of specialized equipment, nearly anyone could do the extraction process. Because people got used to thinking in terms of chemistry, it was easier for them to turn their thoughts to other sorts of chemistry.
Another name for this substance is Colophony, rosin of pine. It has been used as a key ingredient for making cylinder records for Gillet phonographs with a mixture of paraffin wax. When hardened the mixture is poured into a cylinder mold. Once cooled the wax Colophony cylinder is cut on the edges to make it smooth. Then turned on a mandrel to cut the grooves in and then a recordable stylus is used to record sound or music on the cylinder. You probably overheated it. It should be a lighter red
Had to read about it more once I saw this. Pretty fascinating, thanks for the info.
@11:52 upper right on the resin block - The face of the spirit!
I am loving this video, this is exactly how I work, "saw a tree bursting with sap at work ao I collected some" "I have a random can that looks greqt for this project" "seen this on an episode of surviver" "I should have done this outside... welp its fine" "was doing great now everythings on fire" "I don't really know what this is but it's something I made" are all things I've said
Well done. I like your perspective. "OK, how am I going to do this?" I say that several times a day, I call it "Reinventing the Wheel" since industry obviously knows how to do this, but I don't.
So make random tiles out of natural substances, then mosaic them into a table top. Interesting.
Dennis, Thanks for the vid. Please put up more vids on this as you perfect your methods. Great information for survivalists or off-gridders. : ) Make sure to emphasize (Ventilation) because the fumes can be extremely irritating to some. I grew up chewing on pine pitch. I would get the dark stuff that was about half dry at the base of the tree, pop it in my mouth and chew it while hiking in the countryside and grazing along the way, or simply playing hard. Never chewed much gum while growing up, but chewed on a lot of pitch. : )
Here are two reasons why you didn’t get clear turpentine at the end. The starting material was not fresh sap, known as gum. You have to remove the bark and collect it over time (1-2 weeks) to get the gum flowing. Your starting material was resin, which is a completely different material with different chemical composition from sap/gum. Secondly, before distillation you should add some water to the sap/gum to minimize fire risk and make it easier to heat. The distillate will have two layers, the top layer being turpentine. Your end product is not turpentine and I’m not even sure what to call it. Good effort but there are easily searchable resources explaining this process.
The rosin word is bringing a smile to my face. My grandfather, whom I never got to know, as he died when I was very young, would tell my older cousin, when he asked what something was made from, would say; "Sheep shite and rosin". No matter what the thing was.
solid building materials
THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL COLOR AT THE END! Wow!
How can we extract Suramin from pine needles?? HlP
I once performed this process to make some resin windows for my cabin in the woods.
Really cool man its actually varnish if u crush it into powder n mix it with spirit n Contain it in a plastic bottle keep in sunlight three too four days n use its to varnish wood
Exactly the way I thought to do it, melt it and pour it through a screen, this is a good experiment.
Yeah, I tried a similar approach today, but my mesh was too fine. Will get larger mesh tomorrow and try again. Have LOTS to process. I was hoping for a light colored end result, but based on all the videos, I guess the result is usually very dark to black-ish. At least now I know it'll work, eventually... :)
Mesh is a very effective heat sink and dissipates heat in thick melted pine pitch quickly. Heat the screen mesh. Even consider shorting a nine-volt battery or two across the screen to keep it very hot. Then more resin will pour through. By the way, maybe try a fine metal screen, cheese cloth or coffee filter for finer filtering. Paper towels are made to absorb and dissolve. All at your own risk. Great start - good video.
I also have had big problems with this stuff. I collected literally buckets full of this same resin because I want to use it, combined with wax, to boil and protect beehives. The nature of this stuff makes it so difficult to work with. The temperatures in which it changes from a solid to a liquid and then to FIRE seemed very critical. Good video.
Ooh, that's one use I hadn't thought of - sealing wood. Great idea. I hope to post a video about different formulations with beeswax. I've found that the rosin, once rendered down, doesn't catch fire easily. Adding beeswax will certainly change that. I'm jealous, I'd love to have a source where I could find buckets of pitch!
@@WhatDennisDoes sealing wood is literally what it's made for(by the trees) and you never thought of that?
I wonder if it could be mixed with sawdust and something else to make hard stuff ( concrete?) or maybe seal surfaces of basket to make them buoyant.
Turpentine great for oil painting!
I put the can with the screen over a hot plate at med heat.
It really accelerated the separation process, the sap just pours out afterwards and u dont really need to clean the screen between pours!
This method is only good for about 2 or 3 times before you have to let the can /screen cool down a bit.
I have melted it down with a bit of water in my resin so I could get all the trash out. Then you can cook it down to get back to the consistency of the resin
Might I suggest, next time using the boiling with the filters already within, under the sap? Staying hot would filter it smoothly. Neither of your filters look to be in any danger of catching fire, although I cannot tell if the one is simply window screen nylon. In either case, you can of course find metal ones. Good to see the experimental initiative. Enjoy it so far. I suspect there is a findable list of temperature ranges for the changes in state. Nice video, thanks for sharing.
+SeeTheWholeTruth that's a great suggestion. I'm looking for more pitch now and will render it down with the filters in place. The screen I have is aluminum window screen so should be fine for this. I'll see if I can record temperature while I'm at it.
This is awesome. Thanks for inspiring me to experiment more.
that was cool brother. a few years back I went to visit some family in Mexico. early one morning I went along with one of my cousins to cut down a few trees for firewood for the winter one of the trees we cut or chop or fall down was what I believe to be a pine tree the tree wasn't dead or dry nothing like that it was a green healthy living tree when the tree was down my cousin pointed out that this was one of his favorite trees to start the fires he then cut a few small logs they seem to be full of resent all the way around he pulled out a lighter and the small log started to burn like if the resent was gasoline or some type of exellerent..it was just cool to see that..thnx for posting bro..
Yup, around here wood like that is called fatwood. Great for starting fires! Thanks for the story.
Wait wait wait so it's clogging up in the smaller screen so you place a wider screen ON TOP OF THE FINE SCREEN and how will this help lol
So I'd been doing some research on Celtic headhunting after seeing that we now have evidence that it was actually done. In Roman accounts its said heads were preserved in pine resin. The paper said that these severed heads they studied did indeed contain traces of pine resin that had been heated.
So I think it may have been rosin the heads were preserved in. And with this video as a visual reference I have an idea of how this would look if correct.
So thanks.
You could probably use a little acetone or even turpentine itself to dissolve the sap/resin. Would reove the need to heat for filtering, might even allow for a finer filter
I dissolve it in alcohol first then strain it to remove the trash. Then I sit it in sun light to evaporate most of the alcohol. Then I heat it on my hot plate to get rid of any remaining alcohol and water. While it's hot I pour it through a automotive paint strainer.
violin players can use it to rub on the bow for friction. The rosin makes an excellent glass polish to. I kind of scrape it on the glass and then buff off with cloth.
Surprisingly fun to watch
That Fluid looks like it can cure pimples ringworm and itches
All that fumbling around really paid off!
What an astounding display of incompetence.
"Nobody else seems to have done this before"
If you had bothered to do any research beforehand, you would have had enough information to be much more effective at what you did manage to do.
Thank you for giving a good example of what not to do.
Imagine being this boring and negative lmfao this was cool as hell why did you comment that
Right Griffin? I would shoot myself. Let's see your video on it Skyler, oh, you don't have content, nvm.
Everyone is now dumber for having watched this, lol.
Nah, this was interesting to watch, and I just had the thought of doing this a few days ago with the spruce trees in my garden, and I found this vid without even doing a search for 'how to make your own turps from pine sap'. I just searched for terebenthine.
D-bag comment....go away
Is all pine sap good for turpentine
Beautiful end result! Thanks for the video!
Finally i learned how rosin for violin bow is made 👍
Put a heavy rock on the lid. You can also use your sap to make a salve added to pine pitch, make the pitch outside using 2 large coffee sized cans, buried inside the fire to make your pine pitch, you can find further details online, its what we natives do in the bush, also good for bush survival, its great for all types of uses including medicinal.
It is not a tree or pine sap but tree resin. I am not sure what you want to do with it but I boil it the same but you need to put some oil into it. I use olive oil. You just need to put about 2 spoons. After you can easily filter it.
I have used pine pitch for years when I was polishing telescope mirrors
Right on, Dennis!
I knew this video wasnt about weed, but when i read the title it was all i could think about lmao
some people put the stuff in cheesecloth then put the cheesecloth in the pan with water and then remove the cheese cloth full of the bits and the let the water cool and the sap is on the top
I have also been fascinated by pine sap, what's wrong with us?
I love my pine cone Jam! The chewing gum is good too.
This is so cool! I want to make pine tar and turpentine for axe and tool handles and maybe even soap one day.
An older gentleman in the neighborhood gave me a soap making lesson over the weekend and it was a lot of fun, I highly recommend it. Haven't collected enough sap to refine for soaps & salves yet, but I made a powder of mixed conifer needles and some antimicrobial spices for the batch. It smelled great at the time; looking forward to seeing how the bars come out after they've finished molding & aging 😃
!Just make sure you read up on how to properly handle caustic lye first! That shits no joke
The pitch will also help you start fires even with wet wood. If you can find some pitch wood.
Thats awesome man. Good stuff
Thanks for sharing this!
This is a brilliant video. Thanks
I like this..reminds me of a nice branch from a florida black oak with a good blob of resin. Enjoyed shining light threw it. Even had a wood boaring insect you can hear from time to time but unfortunately my mother threw it out!
I have to light a candle or open a window now! The smell was so strong that it came through my phone and permeated throughout my room
I'll bet that rosin would work great for my cello bow. Or any bow. Dark rosin is always the best. I'll have to try making my own. Would save a lot of money.
That is fascinating. I've been wondering if I can make an alternative fuel from tree sap. I'm also considering making fuel for a steam powered generator if I cant make it burn like a liquid fuel.
WOW. WELL IMPRESSED GOING TO GIVE IT A GO. INSPIRED. THANKS.
The liquid leaking in the container was the water from the wet towel running down the pipe
Curious if the sachet method could be used with pine resin like with wax. Put raw stuff in a muslin bag, toss it in boiling water, when it reaches melting temp pull the bag out that now only has the impurities. Wait for the water to boil off and then pour into your mold
Does the resin still hold its medicinal properties in this method?
@@avanti2762 have not thought about that as I use mine in sealant for leather and firestarters, may look into stopping at melt, pull the sachet and then let the puck solidify.
Ok so heres how i do it. I think i could do it differently like heating the sides, but i digress. I use a metal funnel with a screen at the bottom and light all the pitch and sticks, watching how much is in the funnel. I use a bbq lid as a wind protection if windy and to let a bit of air in and not let big sparks escape. If it goes out or you put it out to add more pitch while its all hot its quite easy to light again. But like i said at first, maybe i should light a fire around the covered pitch inside the funnel as to extract a more pure tar in the end?
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And I do intend to binge. 🤘
The sap solidified because you didn’t heat it long enough or heat it enough to have the ideal viscosity you’d need to strain the debris out. It’s cool you’re still trying something new to you like this though.
What is the rosin used for?
I'm actually looking for a source to tap into to. My goal is to find a group of pinon pine trees. I absolutely love that smell. It doesn't smell piney at all...it has a very unique odor. Living in Los Angeles, I'm sure I'll find some trees. Just need to start hiking! :)
i tried using that as flux for soldering it dont really work just gets on the board gets really hard then you cant get it off
At what point does it lose its flammability? I'm looking to refine some resin, but don't want to lose any of the VOC's that give it its flammable nature.
Can it be done with red cedar? I am just curious 🤔 👀 😅
This is awesome you’ve inspired me for my science project
It looks like Ike you made some pine tar in the distillation pot?
Thank you for saving me all the trouble 😭
You need to thin it down with either isopropanol or ethanol then strain it and then cook it down easy peasy the alcohol Cooks off and it's completely clean after that
Wow, the result is beautiful I don’t know what you will do with it, sun-catcher ? I don’t know.
Is 100%pure gum spirits turpentine just alcohol extracted Pine resin?
This was AWESOME
This is how flux paste is made. Using isopropyl alcohol to break down the resin into rosin.
How do you get the smell into liquid from than??
Couldnt you boil it in water and made it more liquid and then filtered it and boiled the water out to normal consistency?
I have been buying refined pinon pine resin on Amazon for sometime now, but now I want to start refining my own resin. I found a group of pine trees seaping with sap and wonder how to get a very clean golden color refined resin. The resin I buy online is beautifully refined...pure golden color. So far I know they "purify their resin gently". What I am guessing they do is use low heat to filter the impurities to keep that golden color. I'm sure using high heat will make the resin turn dark or even black. I bet there is a fine line to getting a beautiful refined pine resin. Any thoughts?
I have a theory about the color - a lot of the pitch that I collected already had a reddish color to it. I found that this pitch also had a different consistency and seemed to ooze from random spots on the tree. Other pitch that was clear came from wounds in the tree and there wasn't nearly as much of this clear stuff. It seems that the tree wounds heal pretty quickly and not much resin comes out. Where the big globs of reddish stuff collects I am guessing there is some sort of bug living inside that doesn't allow the tree's wound to fully heal. I bet that this reddish color has something to do with the bug as well - maybe the pitch is contaminated with something the bug excretes. Again just a theory from what I've observed and I haven't done any research on this. I bet the color of the final product depends a lot on where and how the pitch was collected.
What Dennis Does yea it really depends on the type of tree you get the resin from. The resin i buy online is flawless! But it's getting way too expensive especially since i am trying to make soap out of it. I also make a salve and works wonders. I add propolis, she butter, candelilla wax, almomd oil and resin. Keeps my skin very clear. I also tried spruce resin and so far this one smells best.