Modern games are also 1000x times as unoptimized lol. XP games ran well for the most part, but nowadays even an RTX card can struggle in modern games. Unstable 30 FPS, blurry ass Starfield anyone? lol
I am glad i build myself a WinXP gaming system. I found some Pentium 4 PCs in the trash at my workplace. I asked to pick them up and was allowed. So now i have P5GD micro ATX Mainboard with a Pentium 4 HT 3,4 Ghz CPU, 2 GB RAM and a GTX 750 (without TI), on two 250 GB HDDs i have installed about 250 games from the 4:3 era from the early 90's to about 2006 for the newest games. I use an EIZO FlexScan L778 19" and a Creative Soundblaster 128 CT4810. And i have to say the result is super nice for my needs. I often enjoy playing on this old system much more, than on my rather modern system (Ryzen 9 5900X, 32 GBRAM, GTX 3070Ti, 2TB SSD Win11). So i have the absolut proof that joyful pc gaming has nothing to do with high tech and stunning graphics.
Same. Using my 5800x/3080 12gb machine only for Cyberpunk, Baldur's Gate 3 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance. XP machine and Win7 machine handle all the rest. Even Zero Dawn ran smoothly on Win7 machine.
There's a crossover period where you can play games on either Win98 or XP, and if I have to choose between the 2, I'm going for XP. The system stability alone is what sells it for me. Every time I use 98 I'm reminded how the most simple things can cause a system crash and doing things that should be trivial can cause instability and hours of debugging. Windows XP just works. A 98/DOS system and an XP system cover the broad spectrum of games that I'd want to play. I recall pretty much every gamer dual booted for a few years after the release of XP to get the best of both worlds.
invested my whole childhood, pleasant days, now 40y old, such wise words in the beginning, my friend. glad, that I can find people like you online (and phil also, hi phil! :D ) ! you capture my feelings in so many videos, it feels awesome, thank you for it!
I cant believe the original video from Phil on this topic is more than 8 years at this point. Feels like it was yesterday. Thank you guys very much for covering the brightest era of videogames
@@MidnightGeek99 i remember stumbling upon that video in the recommended feed, my initial reaction was like "what a stupid parody of Philscomputerlab". But after watching more videos from the channel I was amazed by how deep can a person of my age dig the information about retro gaming and tech
I love building xp machines, currently building an early xp machine as my e8600 & 9800gt feels too good. XP is king in my world & as you would say Windows 98 hates me so this is as early as I can go. Thanks again for your efforts & I like the 2 channels
Windows Xp retro builds almost always focus on late generation core 2 quad or core i5 processors. I build my windows xp rig with original parts from release of windows xp. Tualatin Celeron + Geforce 3
because why not? I suffered through low fps during that era so it's nice to be able to max out the fps this time. Unless you go for unsupported hardware, I don't think there's any harm going with 4th gen Intel and GTX 960.
I have a E8600/Geforce 470 based XP system and love it. This pc has surprised me with it's range as it can play an old game like Drakan up to Fear or Grid no problem.
At 4:18 the gpu you are showing has one swolen cap, upper left one. Since its footage from ~3 years ago, i guess you have fixed it. Great nostalgia trip of a video!
It's amazing to see someone that really likes older games just like me. I have 8 computers now lol and a few monitors, the one that holds a sentimental value is the one that has my old beige computer case from like 20 years ago for the first computer i had. This one has a motherboard that supports AGP cards. I think the sweet spot for XP is probably socket 775 since all the components are easy to find for a good price and you have plenty of options when it comes to pcie graphics cards.
And that is why I have settled for a WinXP rig, it just works. As much as I would love to own a Win95/98 rig, I'll pass. There's just way too many issues with Win9x to be worth the hassle. Great video
I think Geek show show himself installing 98SE so we can help figure out what's going wrong. I have no problem running 98 completely stable all the way up to First gen Core i7. It just a question of how many RLOEW patches it will take.
I can confirm that having a windows xp dedicated machine is a good idea. With proper hardware is going to be a flawless experience. I have some xp machines, but the best combo is my q9550 oc on a p5q deluxe, 2x2gb ddr2 geil, creative x-fi titanium fatality, evga gtx 285, some spare hdds inside thermaltake soprano. In reality i found some difference even with windows 7, so i did build a w7 machine with 2500k with 240 aio cooler, 2x4gb ddr3 vengeance, msi z68a-gd65, 2x xfx dual fan hd 6950 2gb (with 6970 bios) crossfirex, 240gb ssd and some spare 500gb hdds...inside a cooler master cm690 iii i found on ebay. I obviously use them less because my main is a linux hypervisor with ryzen 9 7950x, 32gb ram, x670 creator, rx 6800(linux), rtx 3060ti (w10 pro vm), my main laptop a legion 5 pro with 5800h, 16gb and 3070...and a steam deck
@@MidnightGeek99 exactly! Fun fact, i still have also my trusty gigabyte gtx 560 1gb winforce 2x (bought back in late 2011) and there still is a difference...maybe because it has higher bandwith and is old enough to have a very good dx8/9 support. With dx 9 games i really liked also the hd 7770, 7850, 6950...but let's be honest an e8500 paired with an old hd 7770/7850 and 4gb ram is fast enough to max out every xp game with low power consumption and very good options. For majority of the xp games i found that even a q6600 is quite slow compared to a stock e8500.
Got me a WIndows XP retrobox, that very close to my original XP PC back in the day. (Except for the GPU and Audio choice) Athlon XP 1500+, 4GB RAM, 60GB SSD, Soundblaster Live AWE32 and a 3DFx Vooodoo3 2000 (OCed to 185MHz, Fan and Custom Heatsink). Played through several classics on it, including Half-Life, Unreal, Shogo and a few others.
I've managed to cover all bases due to PC with; Windows 95 OSR2 (had to underclock the K6-2+/3+ to install), Windows 98SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP (though Vista Ultimate is viable on that PC). Drivers end up being the main issue however (Nvidia 71.68 and SiS 315 drivers overall), that and heat in the Windows 2K PC. Athlon XP 1800+ kick out a lot of heat and the 23-24 year old 300W PSU is doubling as the attic exhaust. I don't recommend actually using Windows 2K over XP either. Similar RAM usage and 2K needs far more updating than XP SP3 - and some programs still won't run under it, but are happy under 95-98SE and XP-7. My LCD is still the same old 15" 1024x768 HICON TV/Monitor that my mum bought for her 3rd desktop 20+ years ago. Had to get a new PSU for it however has the original one had really bad coil whine, ran hot and had the output voltage fluctuating all over the place (also causing the speakers to buzz).
I keep one of my XP builds on my desk. I just have to swivel 90 degrees, hit the power button and I'm teleported back to a time when life didn't totally suck. 😂
I have a dedicated Windows XP PC since about 2015 when I got a mini PC and installed XP on it. I did some tests and everything worked fine. I have yet to switch it on again and just play the games on more modern systems. Well...kind of as my most modern current system is a 2014 laptop, but anyway lol.
XP (and Windows 2000 with all the service packs) spanned such a MASSIVE era of gaming, it's difficult to build a single PC without it being either underpowered for the later stuff or overpowered for the former. WWindows 7 has good compatibility with Windows XP era games though! I run a Windows 7 rig going up to titles such has HOMM 6, and my Windows 2000 machine(s) are a lot weaker hardware wise, but handle period correct games very well.
That's cause there wasn't such a thing as Vista era. It arrived late and had really bad opinions due to it's reasource-hungriness and Microsoft breaking older APIs. The two most notorious being disabling access for hardware acceleration in DirectSound for sound cards, that broken EAX. It's also forced downsampling from 7.1 to designated audio-source (that's actually in some twisted way beneficial, since nearly all games from Vista onward support surround sound, before that support for multichannel audio systems was hit or miss in most games). To be honest it's hard to blame guys from Microsoft for that since Creative by the times of XP era has already cut down the entire competiotion, and their drivers were a big outsourced mess. I heard that somebody in MS at some point just found out that majority of BSoDs were due to sound cards driver failures so they "fixed" it in their own way. Sadly, that also halten the progress of sound quality in the PC gaming for a long time. Only nowadays I'm hearing that Sony plans to challenge the status quo with ports of their console exclusives for PCs. The other thing was getting rid of DirectInput in favor of Xinput, which broke support for nearly every controller manufactured before the X360.
@@djdano2k The one I use now for XP stuff has an e2160 CPU (I got a bunch of those early conroe CPU's they are super cheap and OC like champions) running at 2.5Ghz with a Corsair H20, 4GB DDR3 1600, Gigabyte UD3 motherboard (blue and white) and I swap around between an X1950XTX and an HD4770 for the GPU. The other machine is an Athlon 64 3400 Skt754 on a DFI Lanparty board. Again, 4GB DDR-433 and I've had various cards in there from the Radeon 9800XT and FX5900 Ultra right up to an AGP 1950Pro (Gecube) which is whats in it now. Both machines have two Western Digital Raptor HDDs. Heavy and make *some* noise, but I like their authenticity! XD PS. Windows 7 machine is one I bought from a friend many years ago and used as my "main" PC for a long time, which is still going strong as my Windows 7 machine. That has an i7-920 (which I brought back to stock clocks), Sabretooth board, 6GB DDR3-2000 and a GTX580. No raptors in that machine, just a pair of 120GB SSD's and a 2TB 5400 HD.
I have a Windows 98 SE machine with a Pentium III 1.4 GHz and FX 5950 Ultra, a Windows XP machine with an AMD FX-8370 and Titan Xp, and a Windows 11 machine with a Ryzen 5800X3D and RTX 4080 Super. I want real hardware compatibility with my games.
i got a vaio with a pentium 4 and nvidia graphics a year ago from a client that gave it to me for free. after having it collecting dust for months I installed half life, then opposing force and blue shift, it is a time capsule as you said, now i cannot stop, but i cannot get a crt where i live.
I also have a few old computers here with Windows 2000 SP4. The GOG versions can also be installed there. However, XP has the advantage of compatibility mode and a longer support period. In 2000, for example, the GeForce 8 series no longer had drivers. That's why I prefer XP.
At this point you either tweak the software with various degress of success or tweak the hardware. Either way it is a great journey to take. I wished more people go that route. Baffles me that people wishes to play some older games and begs publishers to re-release them. If it was released for PC or older console there's a way.
Yes, there are many ways to get if you want to play older games, and if remaking an older game means breaking it or removing the original, I'd rather have no remakes?
@@MidnightGeek99 Sometimes I get myself asking the same questions. Lets think a bit about some implications. The world is changing all the time. A re-release is fine, it keep as is, it also keeps history of gaming alive in some form. A remake is generally a product aimed to everybody, not only to people who played that in the past. So generally a remake loose some essence or straight up censor it. Sometimes is beneficial other times isn't. Having the original is still important no matter what.
I have 2 XP platforms. 'High end' C2D E8400@3,8 GHz/GTX 970/4Gb RAM and 'lego' AM2 platform. For this I have CPU's from Athlon 64 3200+ to Athlon 64 X2 5400+. Radeon 7770 and 4gb RAM. Both serve me well. BTW, onboard sound chip on Intel computer supports EAX.
I have a few wrecks that I might turn into an XP system, a 98 system, or maybe a DOS system.... DOS - 486 VLB, or fast DOS, P133... maybe more? 98 - P133 already has 98, and an Athlon XP (which may get a Ti 4200) XP Dimension 8200 upgraded to 2.8GHz, may get a 9800 Pro. Then I run into a couple of PCIE systems, an Athlon 64 and a FM1 socket 4 core, or a LGA775 P4 HT (board will not even take a P4 dual core)
At this point the internet of 20 years ago should be small enough to fit on a computer. Would be interesting to put the entire internet of then onto the computer as well so you really have the feel of being in 2004. You could even have it show the news day by day but from 20 years ago. But I’m not sure if that’s possible.
That's a great idea, and I'm sure there are some people that do this. That news part is actually a series I want to make, present the news from 20+ years ago, but for now I don't have the time.
Older games should come installed with and run within an invisible "Windows XP" shell, so that games run like they are supposed to, but appearing just like a regular program to the user.
1994-1997 i used windows 3.11, 1997-2004 i used windows nt4, 2004-2011 i used windows 2000 and since the end of 2011 i use daily windows xp since 13 years
0:31 " Given the prices we have today for everything " Have you ever seen the price of an SGI workstation in the early 90 ?! I did build my windows XP time machine last year in order to have a pure hardware accelerated EAX 5.0 machine and a MIDI player as I don't trust the accuracy of emulators
Windows XP is the last OS where games and music actually sounded (and still sound) good, instead of the souped up pile of.... we got, starting with Vista and onwards.
I think steam does work on xp you just have to download an older version and do some sort of workaround to get it running. That being said GOG is better then steam for xp, and cd is the best
@@Dictatortot-n3d As far as I know, steam application is just a fancy layer on top of chromium (the engine of 90% of all internet browsers, including Chrome). So it's no wonder that steam don't work on XP and 7 since that project no longer support them. But their is also a hacky way of using modern and retro machine with an Ethernet cable for joining them in the local network and downloading games from modern rig. I heard that some DOS guys do it since it's faster than all other means on the platform
GOG is great, I've had a pretty good success rate running their releases on 9x and DOS as well. It's definitely a bit fiddly sometimes, but they include even things like floppy/cd images a lot of the time, although they like to call rename .iso files .gog for some reason. If I have a problem with something, it's that games with CD audio often only include audio as OGG files. You can burn those to CD just fine, but they're not lossless, so you're not getting quite the quality you'd get with an original CD.
Im playing all old games on my modern PC with Ryzen 5 and RTX 4060TI. I think i dont want a old PC, but i really need a 4x3 Monitor to play older games. Im having no problem with compatibility (even windows 98 direct X 8 games) the resolution on modern display is really a issue. I had a lot of problems to run them on my old AMD card, but nvidia drivers had my mouth open when i played Hidden And Dangerous Delux.
A sign of maturity for gamers is realizing that modern computers may be 1000x more powerful, but the games are not 1000x more fun
You are right !
Hehe, nice play on words...and true!
Back then, it was a few buttons and you are good to go. Now, they've made gaming a learning chore, hate it.
Modern games are also 1000x times as unoptimized lol.
XP games ran well for the most part, but nowadays even an RTX card can struggle in modern games. Unstable 30 FPS, blurry ass Starfield anyone? lol
Great summary! With XP things just work and you can focus on playing the game...
Good to see you here, sir
I luv your vidz
The Legendary Phil
It`s facts Phil! :D
Thanks a lot :)
Yeah, I don't remember the last time I had 1 issue with XP that wasn't fixable in 5 minutes.
I am glad i build myself a WinXP gaming system. I found some Pentium 4 PCs in the trash at my workplace. I asked to pick them up and was allowed. So now i have P5GD micro ATX Mainboard with a Pentium 4 HT 3,4 Ghz CPU, 2 GB RAM and a GTX 750 (without TI), on two 250 GB HDDs i have installed about 250 games from the 4:3 era from the early 90's to about 2006 for the newest games. I use an EIZO FlexScan L778 19" and a Creative Soundblaster 128 CT4810. And i have to say the result is super nice for my needs. I often enjoy playing on this old system much more, than on my rather modern system (Ryzen 9 5900X, 32 GBRAM, GTX 3070Ti, 2TB SSD Win11). So i have the absolut proof that joyful pc gaming has nothing to do with high tech and stunning graphics.
Same. Using my 5800x/3080 12gb machine only for Cyberpunk, Baldur's Gate 3 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance. XP machine and Win7 machine handle all the rest. Even Zero Dawn ran smoothly on Win7 machine.
Nice display, I love Eizo :D also, 250 games...that's a lot :)
Awesome vid! You've justified my possession of old machines😁
@@66mhzbrain haha, thanks, do you want me to justify some win 98 machines? :))
@@MidnightGeek99 yes, that would be a fun watch😁
Great video. Dungeon Seige 1 was my game why I got back in retro pc's. The sound with EAX and a 4:5 screen is so much better...
10x. Yes, DS 1 is a great game, and 4:3 is amazing :)
There's a crossover period where you can play games on either Win98 or XP, and if I have to choose between the 2, I'm going for XP. The system stability alone is what sells it for me. Every time I use 98 I'm reminded how the most simple things can cause a system crash and doing things that should be trivial can cause instability and hours of debugging. Windows XP just works. A 98/DOS system and an XP system cover the broad spectrum of games that I'd want to play. I recall pretty much every gamer dual booted for a few years after the release of XP to get the best of both worlds.
XP all the way, 98 is best of you also want to play ms dos games.
invested my whole childhood, pleasant days, now 40y old, such wise words in the beginning, my friend. glad, that I can find people like you online (and phil also, hi phil! :D ) ! you capture my feelings in so many videos, it feels awesome, thank you for it!
Thanks, it means a lot :) I'm 37, so I feel you!
I cant believe the original video from Phil on this topic is more than 8 years at this point. Feels like it was yesterday. Thank you guys very much for covering the brightest era of videogames
Wow, this feels like ages ago, because it is :) I made a similar video 2 years ago, so yeah...
@@MidnightGeek99 i remember stumbling upon that video in the recommended feed, my initial reaction was like "what a stupid parody of Philscomputerlab". But after watching more videos from the channel I was amazed by how deep can a person of my age dig the information about retro gaming and tech
@@mjfvasmer Haha...thanks a lot!
I love building xp machines, currently building an early xp machine as my e8600 & 9800gt feels too good. XP is king in my world & as you would say Windows 98 hates me so this is as early as I can go. Thanks again for your efforts & I like the 2 channels
XP deserves at least 2 PCs, and yes, an early 2000s PC is very good.
Of course for the old great games 1998-2010
YES!
Windows Xp retro builds almost always focus on late generation core 2 quad or core i5 processors. I build my windows xp rig with original parts from release of windows xp. Tualatin Celeron + Geforce 3
because why not? I suffered through low fps during that era so it's nice to be able to max out the fps this time. Unless you go for unsupported hardware, I don't think there's any harm going with 4th gen Intel and GTX 960.
Core 2 seems the best option for me, but in secret I love Pentium 4 builds...shhhh
I went AMD Turion 64 x 2 with Nvidia 6150 go, won't break any benchmarks but for what I wanted my XP build for it's more than capable
Thanks i'm not alone with multiple xp computers 😁. Nice video again, thanks!
Hehe, we're many more like this :D 10x
I have a E8600/Geforce 470 based XP system and love it. This pc has surprised me with it's range as it can play an old game like Drakan up to Fear or Grid no problem.
Amazing system, and I'm glad that a 4xx series card has good compatibility with older games.
At 4:18 the gpu you are showing has one swolen cap, upper left one. Since its footage from ~3 years ago, i guess you have fixed it. Great nostalgia trip of a video!
Yeah, it's the first video card that I bought for this channel, but the performance was not affected by the swolen cap :)
It's amazing to see someone that really likes older games just like me. I have 8 computers now lol and a few monitors, the one that holds a sentimental value is the one that has my old beige computer case from like 20 years ago for the first computer i had. This one has a motherboard that supports AGP cards.
I think the sweet spot for XP is probably socket 775 since all the components are easy to find for a good price and you have plenty of options when it comes to pcie graphics cards.
Hats off to 8 PCs, you're a legend :)
Yes, 775 is the sweet spot, and as much as I love AGP video cards, PCIe cards have less issues.
@@MidnightGeek99 Haha it takes a lot of space to be that kind of legend lol.
Keep up the amazing work my friend.
Thaks Mario for the review
@@pablocattaneo6959 Si, certo
And that is why I have settled for a WinXP rig, it just works. As much as I would love to own a Win95/98 rig, I'll pass. There's just way too many issues with Win9x to be worth the hassle.
Great video
I think Geek show show himself installing 98SE so we can help figure out what's going wrong. I have no problem running 98 completely stable all the way up to First gen Core i7. It just a question of how many RLOEW patches it will take.
Yes, although I have some 98 PCs around, they're great too!
I can confirm that having a windows xp dedicated machine is a good idea. With proper hardware is going to be a flawless experience. I have some xp machines, but the best combo is my q9550 oc on a p5q deluxe, 2x2gb ddr2 geil, creative x-fi titanium fatality, evga gtx 285, some spare hdds inside thermaltake soprano. In reality i found some difference even with windows 7, so i did build a w7 machine with 2500k with 240 aio cooler, 2x4gb ddr3 vengeance, msi z68a-gd65, 2x xfx dual fan hd 6950 2gb (with 6970 bios) crossfirex, 240gb ssd and some spare 500gb hdds...inside a cooler master cm690 iii i found on ebay. I obviously use them less because my main is a linux hypervisor with ryzen 9 7950x, 32gb ram, x670 creator, rx 6800(linux), rtx 3060ti (w10 pro vm), my main laptop a legion 5 pro with 5800h, 16gb and 3070...and a steam deck
The GTX 285 is amazing for XP gaming, fast enough, not so modern as to have incompatibilities.
@@MidnightGeek99 exactly! Fun fact, i still have also my trusty gigabyte gtx 560 1gb winforce 2x (bought back in late 2011) and there still is a difference...maybe because it has higher bandwith and is old enough to have a very good dx8/9 support.
With dx 9 games i really liked also the hd 7770, 7850, 6950...but let's be honest an e8500 paired with an old hd 7770/7850 and 4gb ram is fast enough to max out every xp game with low power consumption and very good options. For majority of the xp games i found that even a q6600 is quite slow compared to a stock e8500.
Huh! I've got the exact GPU from EVGA in my WinXP machine. It even has a backplate. Wonderful piece of hardware.
Yes, and having a backplate is useful.
Got me a WIndows XP retrobox, that very close to my original XP PC back in the day. (Except for the GPU and Audio choice)
Athlon XP 1500+, 4GB RAM, 60GB SSD, Soundblaster Live AWE32 and a 3DFx Vooodoo3 2000 (OCed to 185MHz, Fan and Custom Heatsink).
Played through several classics on it, including Half-Life, Unreal, Shogo and a few others.
Now that's a solid and nostalgic retro system!
I've managed to cover all bases due to PC with; Windows 95 OSR2 (had to underclock the K6-2+/3+ to install), Windows 98SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP (though Vista Ultimate is viable on that PC).
Drivers end up being the main issue however (Nvidia 71.68 and SiS 315 drivers overall), that and heat in the Windows 2K PC.
Athlon XP 1800+ kick out a lot of heat and the 23-24 year old 300W PSU is doubling as the attic exhaust. I don't recommend actually using Windows 2K over XP either. Similar RAM usage and 2K needs far more updating than XP SP3 - and some programs still won't run under it, but are happy under 95-98SE and XP-7.
My LCD is still the same old 15" 1024x768 HICON TV/Monitor that my mum bought for her 3rd desktop 20+ years ago. Had to get a new PSU for it however has the original one had really bad coil whine, ran hot and had the output voltage fluctuating all over the place (also causing the speakers to buzz).
Even Win 95, impressive :)
1024x768 LCDs are great, I'm actively looking for one.
I keep one of my XP builds on my desk. I just have to swivel 90 degrees, hit the power button and I'm teleported back to a time when life didn't totally suck. 😂
I have a dedicated Windows XP PC since about 2015 when I got a mini PC and installed XP on it.
I did some tests and everything worked fine.
I have yet to switch it on again and just play the games on more modern systems. Well...kind of as my most modern current system is a 2014 laptop, but anyway lol.
2014 is still XP era :))
Years ago, i had that same Lg monitor.
XP (and Windows 2000 with all the service packs) spanned such a MASSIVE era of gaming, it's difficult to build a single PC without it being either underpowered for the later stuff or overpowered for the former. WWindows 7 has good compatibility with Windows XP era games though! I run a Windows 7 rig going up to titles such has HOMM 6, and my Windows 2000 machine(s) are a lot weaker hardware wise, but handle period correct games very well.
That's cause there wasn't such a thing as Vista era. It arrived late and had really bad opinions due to it's reasource-hungriness and Microsoft breaking older APIs.
The two most notorious being disabling access for hardware acceleration in DirectSound for sound cards, that broken EAX. It's also forced downsampling from 7.1 to designated audio-source (that's actually in some twisted way beneficial, since nearly all games from Vista onward support surround sound, before that support for multichannel audio systems was hit or miss in most games). To be honest it's hard to blame guys from Microsoft for that since Creative by the times of XP era has already cut down the entire competiotion, and their drivers were a big outsourced mess. I heard that somebody in MS at some point just found out that majority of BSoDs were due to sound cards driver failures so they "fixed" it in their own way. Sadly, that also halten the progress of sound quality in the PC gaming for a long time. Only nowadays I'm hearing that Sony plans to challenge the status quo with ports of their console exclusives for PCs.
The other thing was getting rid of DirectInput in favor of Xinput, which broke support for nearly every controller manufactured before the X360.
@@krazownik3139 Agreed thats why I didn't mention Vista at all. I ignore it's existence, back then AND now.
Could you share some specs of your two machines? Just for the inspiration :)
@@djdano2k The one I use now for XP stuff has an e2160 CPU (I got a bunch of those early conroe CPU's they are super cheap and OC like champions) running at 2.5Ghz with a Corsair H20, 4GB DDR3 1600, Gigabyte UD3 motherboard (blue and white) and I swap around between an X1950XTX and an HD4770 for the GPU.
The other machine is an Athlon 64 3400 Skt754 on a DFI Lanparty board. Again, 4GB DDR-433 and I've had various cards in there from the Radeon 9800XT and FX5900 Ultra right up to an AGP 1950Pro (Gecube) which is whats in it now.
Both machines have two Western Digital Raptor HDDs. Heavy and make *some* noise, but I like their authenticity! XD
PS. Windows 7 machine is one I bought from a friend many years ago and used as my "main" PC for a long time, which is still going strong as my Windows 7 machine. That has an i7-920 (which I brought back to stock clocks), Sabretooth board, 6GB DDR3-2000 and a GTX580. No raptors in that machine, just a pair of 120GB SSD's and a 2TB 5400 HD.
That's right, and I really need to give 2000 a chance, and some well deserved retro love!
I have a Windows 98 SE machine with a Pentium III 1.4 GHz and FX 5950 Ultra, a Windows XP machine with an AMD FX-8370 and Titan Xp, and a Windows 11 machine with a Ryzen 5800X3D and RTX 4080 Super. I want real hardware compatibility with my games.
You like real hardware for compatibility and high-end parts for...? :D
I'd rather have the FX 5950 Ultra, than the 4080.
@@MidnightGeek99 Yes, I do like the high-end parts too for gaming.
U mean WinXP with core 2 quad , rx 550 and 8gb ram?🗿
i got a vaio with a pentium 4 and nvidia graphics a year ago from a client that gave it to me for free. after having it collecting dust for months I installed half life, then opposing force and blue shift, it is a time capsule as you said, now i cannot stop, but i cannot get a crt where i live.
Vaios with P4 and dedicated video cards are amazin! What video card is it?
I also have a few old computers here with Windows 2000 SP4. The GOG versions can also be installed there. However, XP has the advantage of compatibility mode and a longer support period. In 2000, for example, the GeForce 8 series no longer had drivers. That's why I prefer XP.
I've never had a Windows 2000 computer, but I will try to make one...maybe with a P3 Tualatin.
Placing psu over the cpu will heat the cpu or not? I am actually concerned about that.
what were your high end CRT brands and model , what is their problem?
LG F700P (1600x1200@75Hz, maximum 1920x1440)...the first one flickered a lot at the bottom part of the screen, the second one has bery low brightness.
At this point you either tweak the software with various degress of success or tweak the hardware. Either way it is a great journey to take. I wished more people go that route. Baffles me that people wishes to play some older games and begs publishers to re-release them. If it was released for PC or older console there's a way.
Yes, there are many ways to get if you want to play older games, and if remaking an older game means breaking it or removing the original, I'd rather have no remakes?
@@MidnightGeek99 Sometimes I get myself asking the same questions. Lets think a bit about some implications. The world is changing all the time. A re-release is fine, it keep as is, it also keeps history of gaming alive in some form. A remake is generally a product aimed to everybody, not only to people who played that in the past. So generally a remake loose some essence or straight up censor it. Sometimes is beneficial other times isn't. Having the original is still important no matter what.
@@madson-web yes, keep the original, I'm still baffled by the warcraft 3 reforged disaster.
I have 2 XP platforms. 'High end' C2D E8400@3,8 GHz/GTX 970/4Gb RAM and 'lego' AM2 platform. For this I have CPU's from Athlon 64 3200+ to Athlon 64 X2 5400+. Radeon 7770 and 4gb RAM. Both serve me well. BTW, onboard sound chip on Intel computer supports EAX.
I love motherboards that have EAX support, I also have an MSI sk 939 with integrated sound blaster.
I took the easy way out, and bought a used Optiplex. I miss the old Control Panel menus and Windows Media Player.
Ready-made computers are very good for XP, there are a lot out there, and they're cheap also, unless they have a good dedicated video card :)
I have separate 98 and XP machines, best of both worlds 😊
Yes, and we also need a dedicated DOS PC :)
Is the Am2 Athlon 64 x2 5200+ good for Windows XP Retro gaming?
Should be OK. Using an Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Socket 939 for late 98se games (that also likes XP) and early XP games myself. It's just a generation older.
Sounds good to me!
It's excellent, it should have Core 2 E6300 / E6400 performance.
Yes, the Athlon 64 x2 was king during it's era
02:06 에서 나오는 게임의 이름은 뭔가요? 지금 해도 될 정도로 깔끔한 그래픽이라 눈에 띄네요.
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@@MidnightGeek99 답변 감사합니다. 영상 잘 봤습니다!
I have a few wrecks that I might turn into an XP system, a 98 system, or maybe a DOS system....
DOS - 486 VLB, or fast DOS, P133... maybe more?
98 - P133 already has 98, and an Athlon XP (which may get a Ti 4200)
XP Dimension 8200 upgraded to 2.8GHz, may get a 9800 Pro.
Then I run into a couple of PCIE systems, an Athlon 64 and a FM1 socket 4 core, or a LGA775 P4 HT (board will not even take a P4 dual core)
I'm glad when I hear about people having more than 1 retro computer, it means that those parte are not thrown away or kept inside a warehouse :D
Could you tell me which monitor you are using? The white lcd one 8:25
Eizo S2100
@@MidnightGeek99 thank you! Beautiful monitor
@@ItsYurVatoAlex it really is :)
At this point the internet of 20 years ago should be small enough to fit on a computer. Would be interesting to put the entire internet of then onto the computer as well so you really have the feel of being in 2004. You could even have it show the news day by day but from 20 years ago. But I’m not sure if that’s possible.
That's a great idea, and I'm sure there are some people that do this.
That news part is actually a series I want to make, present the news from 20+ years ago, but for now I don't have the time.
Got given a HP Pavilion with an Athlon 64. socket 754. I upgraded to 2 gig Ram, SSD, going to use it with XP and run an emulation system.
What video card do you have? And what are you emulating? 10x
How about a windows 7 one. Actually bought the parts already, just waiting for them to arrive pretty much 2010/2011 era parts
Windows 7 is XP's baby.
For Windows 7 you can use...anything past 2005 and until 2024 :)
Windows 7 gaming is redendant, everything that works on 7 works on 10, or is it?
im thinking to build a xp gaming pc with a nvidia gt210 its kinda shit but for most retro games it should be fine
For me i choose a simple intel core2duo or amd am2/3 with onboard graphics (better graphics) for winXp experience
Yes, newer platforms with integrated graphics are a decent option.
Older games should come installed with and run within an invisible "Windows XP" shell, so that games run like they are supposed to, but appearing just like a regular program to the user.
Yeah, lol, I agree
Microsoft just needs to bring back the XP mode
1994-1997 i used windows 3.11, 1997-2004 i used windows nt4, 2004-2011 i used windows 2000 and since the end of 2011 i use daily windows xp since 13 years
And how is XP as a daily driver, considering that a lot of browsers and apps no longer support it?
@@MidnightGeek99 No Problem Ther are 2 Browsers they Support Windows XP
Not available in digital format? Only on vinyl? 2:35
And tape.
Now that i see this, i think back and realize most of my enjoyable computer game playing back in the day was on XP not win98
Me too, although I had some fun with 98 also.
Gpu passthough + kvm, one machine to rule them all.
It's too advanced :)
@@MidnightGeek99 Give mutahar a watch, hes done a few gpu passthrough/kvm videos.
I have a "copy" of Battle for Middle Earth 2 and it runs fine on 11.
Great, mine doesn't, unless I create that file :)
0:31 " Given the prices we have today for everything "
Have you ever seen the price of an SGI workstation in the early 90 ?!
I did build my windows XP time machine last year in order to have a pure hardware accelerated EAX 5.0 machine and a MIDI player as I don't trust the accuracy of emulators
The 2000s had ok prices :)
I also don't trust emulation, that's why I prefer original hardware as much as possible.
Windows XP is the last OS where games and music actually sounded (and still sound) good, instead of the souped up pile of.... we got, starting with Vista and onwards.
Agree!
For some reason I had better luck with nvidia drivers for Windows XP.
We all did :))
how do you run steam in windows xp?
There are some workarounds, but I don't bother with them, I don't use Steam on Windows XP.
I think steam does work on xp you just have to download an older version and do some sort of workaround to get it running. That being said GOG is better then steam for xp, and cd is the best
@@Dictatortot-n3d As far as I know, steam application is just a fancy layer on top of chromium (the engine of 90% of all internet browsers, including Chrome). So it's no wonder that steam don't work on XP and 7 since that project no longer support them.
But their is also a hacky way of using modern and retro machine with an Ethernet cable for joining them in the local network and downloading games from modern rig. I heard that some DOS guys do it since it's faster than all other means on the platform
GOG is great, I've had a pretty good success rate running their releases on 9x and DOS as well. It's definitely a bit fiddly sometimes, but they include even things like floppy/cd images a lot of the time, although they like to call rename .iso files .gog for some reason. If I have a problem with something, it's that games with CD audio often only include audio as OGG files. You can burn those to CD just fine, but they're not lossless, so you're not getting quite the quality you'd get with an original CD.
You can make Steam work, but afaik you'll have to constantly make changes to keep it working.
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Im playing all old games on my modern PC with Ryzen 5 and RTX 4060TI. I think i dont want a old PC, but i really need a 4x3 Monitor to play older games. Im having no problem with compatibility (even windows 98 direct X 8 games) the resolution on modern display is really a issue. I had a lot of problems to run them on my old AMD card, but nvidia drivers had my mouth open when i played Hidden And Dangerous Delux.