Jon Tyson is nailing it. Seriously how many other voices are there in Christianity with the maturity, depth, theology and heart that Tyson has. Jon you may feel like a young spiritual father but there are people across the world hanging on your every word. Keep going, we so appreciate it!
This is one of your best episodes, Carey and Jon. I am in the second half of life and it is my prayer to finish well as a spiritual mother. (And I happen to live in Montana, just minutes away from Eugene's home.) Thank you for your reflections today. This is such an uncommon conversation and my heart leaps and weeps that it was brought forth today. Thank you!
This is awesome! I feel very validated in my life right now. I’m fifty nine and my mornings have been very similar to yours for several years. I give Pete Scazerro tons of credit for this because he was the first person to introduce silence into my life and I’ve grown from there.
Thank you for continuing to address finishing well in both episodes this week. It was sad to wake up this morning to the news of yet more Christian leaders who didn't. It breaks my heart to watch leaders fall; indeed, we all fail publicly now.
Another insightful and deep conversation Carey and Jon! 39:02 about Dallas Willard gave me goosebumps!! Love your work Jon Tyson, cheering you on from Melbourne 😊
Carey, I am so glad i found your podcast a few months ago when you had Jim Davis, author of the book "The Great De-churching", as your guest. I've watched so many since then, and appreciate all you do! Your channel is so important, and I always like your videos so more people can find this wonderful and important resource! Spreading the word in Kansas.
Thanks for the insight and conversation! There are so many good little nuggets of observation here to chew on about a christian worldview and GenZ. Love the thoughts of having a team of creative GenZers on tictok giving daily content that is pointing people to the kingdom. Another highlight for me is the section that spoke about the church "offending the pharisees, welcoming sinners, and being Holy people who live out and stand up for their theology". Great content... sharing it with our team here in NYC!
Jon always appreciate your thoughts, but I'll push back on your statement that in secularism, "there is no higher good than human flourishing." That is an overly optimistic and not fully worked out premise. I disagree. I think when you get to its very end secularism's highest good is ultimately self-worship. For example Nietzche's transvaluation of values ends up at the final conclusion that "the highest type of man is characterized by self-affirmation, self-will, and self-love." This falls into our current battle of identity perfectly. One could try (and certainly have) to make the argument that a focus on and worship of self is the highest good, but since Genesis 3 we all know that to be a disastrous path to take. Genesis 3 takes this head on when it shows humanity's desire to be god-like instead of being made in the Image of God. Being god-like requires no submission to a higher authority than ourselves, while the Imago Dei requires a submission to His ultimate power and authority.
I think you're saying similar things. Most people who are self worshiping don't walk around saying I am self worshiping. They think about self help, discovering themselves, flourishing etc.
I totally agree that a secularist would not call it “self-worship”, but Christians should be theologically aware that Is the end result, and that we are all at risk of worshipping self, and have been since the beginning. Also, I don’t think it takes too much to push a bit and see that the self-love, self-discovery, self-affirmation very quickly leads to some non-flourishing. A world full of people pursuing self as the ultimate authority will no doubt lead to the need to place my self over others selves. This leads to hyper individualism, and the end result is “might males right”, which is not flourishing, but destruction. Jesus flips the script and gives us the ultimate good, which is courageous self-sacrifice in the glorification of God (a singular authority outside of self).
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Jon Tyson is nailing it. Seriously how many other voices are there in Christianity with the maturity, depth, theology and heart that Tyson has.
Jon you may feel like a young spiritual father but there are people across the world hanging on your every word. Keep going, we so appreciate it!
thanks for sharing!
@@CareyNieuwhof you have quite a following in SA if you didn't realise.
@@W0ndererSouth Australia! Right on!
This is one of your best episodes, Carey and Jon. I am in the second half of life and it is my prayer to finish well as a spiritual mother. (And I happen to live in Montana, just minutes away from Eugene's home.) Thank you for your reflections today. This is such an uncommon conversation and my heart leaps and weeps that it was brought forth today. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing Pamela - cheering for you as you work to finish well.
This is awesome! I feel very validated in my life right now. I’m fifty nine and my mornings have been very similar to yours for several years. I give Pete Scazerro tons of credit for this because he was the first person to introduce silence into my life and I’ve grown from there.
Thank you for continuing to address finishing well in both episodes this week. It was sad to wake up this morning to the news of yet more Christian leaders who didn't. It breaks my heart to watch leaders fall; indeed, we all fail publicly now.
Heartbreaking for sure, thank you for sharing this.
Thanks for your wisdom!
Glad it was helpful!
Another insightful and deep conversation Carey and Jon! 39:02 about Dallas Willard gave me goosebumps!! Love your work Jon Tyson, cheering you on from Melbourne 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
Carey, I am so glad i found your podcast a few months ago when you had Jim Davis, author of the book "The Great De-churching", as your guest. I've watched so many since then, and appreciate all you do! Your channel is so important, and I always like your videos so more people can find this wonderful and important resource! Spreading the word in Kansas.
Welcome aboard! I'm so glad you're here. Thanks for sharing.
Gold. Solid gold. Thank you ❤
Such a healthy conversation 🙏🏾❤️
Thanks for the insight and conversation! There are so many good little nuggets of observation here to chew on about a christian worldview and GenZ. Love the thoughts of having a team of creative GenZers on tictok giving daily content that is pointing people to the kingdom. Another highlight for me is the section that spoke about the church "offending the pharisees, welcoming sinners, and being Holy people who live out and stand up for their theology". Great content... sharing it with our team here in NYC!
Thanks for watching, so glad you found it helpful
Secularism is indeed a failing story! This is an exciting moment for evangelism!
An internal life that copes with midlife crisis requires finding meaning and identity in Christ
Jon always appreciate your thoughts, but I'll push back on your statement that in secularism, "there is no higher good than human flourishing." That is an overly optimistic and not fully worked out premise.
I disagree. I think when you get to its very end secularism's highest good is ultimately self-worship.
For example Nietzche's transvaluation of values ends up at the final conclusion that "the highest type of man is characterized by self-affirmation, self-will, and self-love."
This falls into our current battle of identity perfectly.
One could try (and certainly have) to make the argument that a focus on and worship of self is the highest good, but since Genesis 3 we all know that to be a disastrous path to take. Genesis 3 takes this head on when it shows humanity's desire to be god-like instead of being made in the Image of God. Being god-like requires no submission to a higher authority than ourselves, while the Imago Dei requires a submission to His ultimate power and authority.
I think you're saying similar things.
Most people who are self worshiping don't walk around saying I am self worshiping.
They think about self help, discovering themselves, flourishing etc.
I totally agree that a secularist would not call it “self-worship”, but Christians should be theologically aware that Is the end result, and that we are all at risk of worshipping self, and have been since the beginning.
Also, I don’t think it takes too much to push a bit and see that the self-love, self-discovery, self-affirmation very quickly leads to some non-flourishing.
A world full of people pursuing self as the ultimate authority will no doubt lead to the need to place my self over others selves. This leads to hyper individualism, and the end result is “might males right”, which is not flourishing, but destruction.
Jesus flips the script and gives us the ultimate good, which is courageous self-sacrifice in the glorification of God (a singular authority outside of self).
What happen to my comment? Why was it erased? Because I disagreed with Tyson's view?