My mix bus compression is pretty straight forward. I have the audio coming in at about -8db rms. I use an ssl bus comp. I have a 30ms attack, autorelease, a ratio of 4, and the threshold set for max compression of about 5db. The sidechain/filter/whatever you want to call it is set so the kick and snare trigger the compressor approximately the same way. I almost always will use it. When I do use it, it will be the first effect I “turn on” and I mix everything through it
Thanks Colt ! The Top Down Mixing video that you referenced was just what I needed to understand how you interface with the hardware rack. I can't wait to reconfigure my system and try out your mix bus methods.
I use SSL Comp from Waves or SPL Iron on my mix bus but thanks for sharing the settings especially with SC Filter I didn't know how that was used now I do!!!
As always a very good and informative video. Maybe sometime you could do a video on how exactly you integrate your hardware into the mixing process (i.e. connect, set up and routing) ? I just bought my first 500 rack with 2 capi vp25, a bus comp, an opto comp and a deesser but just can't get a handle on the latency. I would be very interested to see how a pro gets around the issue 😊
I have a very old video called ProTools 2019 problems and mixing with hardware that explains how I handle this. It is a very rudimentary cell phone video, but it gets the point across. Thanks for watching!
Hey man! Love the videos! I love the idea of using Mix Pres in your mix bus. Also, has anyone told you that you sound like Chris Pratt? haha anyway, keep up the great work!
Colt as usual great video.. can’t disagree on anything said.. getting that colour and feel of a mix at the start is so important. It’s so hard to get it in place at the end. Secondly; you asked me to contact you on instagram last video.. but I couldn’t get through but, I have just hit you up. Thanks..Keep the knowledge coming!
Cool video! Mixbus compression is a tricky one, but it can add so much to your mixes... I love my wes audio dione for this, sounds big, never any problems with recalling any session, and the extra options to add thd are amazing too
I’ve been a top down mixer for many years. But what’s not alluded to in this video is the automation that is involved to make a mix a musical performance. It’s sorta cool to see another SSL style 2bus comp, but I feel like this was more of an explanation of how your particular comp works rather than why. Really no skin off of my nose. Fun video!
Try mixing through a whole chain - many pro engineers use a bus comp, EQ and limiter. This is because it is what the master goes through so you can try to work knowing what’s going to happen.
Great video! I definitely have a better understanding of mix bus compression. Question: Is it a good idea to do mix bus compeession in the box or does top down mixing really only work with outboard gear? Always look forward to your content!
Pretty much same settings as me. I’m 4:1 though on anything with a snappy snare. 1.5 seems too lazy to me energy wise. Unless it’s a 4 on the floor possibly
I respectfully disagree: putting the compressor on from the beginning doesn't work for me. This way I'm hitting a compression that I don't see when setting up other compressions on single tracks. I've been mixing twenty years with nothing on my mix buss and when I'm close to the end of the mix I put my 2buss compressor on (usually an SSL type) and it gives me that "glue" effect together with probably some EQ and saturation added, I just have to adjust and refine some levels , but that's really minimal. I'm seeing this other approach recently, the "top down one", but I really don't understand why. Plus, working with no "sauce" on my 2 Bus from the beginning forces me to get the sound I want from the single tracks, without relying on anything strapped across the 2 buss. I just add it at the end for extra polish and finalizing effect. I ackowledge that everybody has his/her own way of going at this. Tried it, top down doesn't work for me, and yes, I too use mix buss compression 100% of the time.
To each their own! I’ve been mixing this way for at least 15 years. But if it doesn’t work for you then there’s nothing wrong with doing it a different way. If it sounds good it is good!
Colt thanks for what you do!!! Vids are great🔥🔥 Been looking at the SB4001 for my mixbus but can’t seem to find the different between the all black unit and the Newer one with the red out line. Do you know by any chance🤔🤔🤔 Keep doing what you do..
Nice video thank you! I think about to purchase two preamps as you sugested in videos before. One thing came up to my mind is that how to cope with line lvl. Preamps are made to take low lvl and push it to the higher right? So how to implement them to the end of my mix/master? What Im missing? Manny thanks 🎉
A little off topic but... Are you using the original op amps in your Heiders or did you install the newer CA-0252s?? Thinking about trying them! Great video :) I need to try something other than the auto release on my SSL...
I'm curious to know what is your work flow if you have to recall a mix. Do you write down your analog mix bus settings for a specific mix? or do you take a picture of it to remember the settings if a client wants something small changed in the mix?
hey colt i see you are hitting red lights on mic pre i watched your video in which you explained having mic pre on mix bus i use neve dpx so driving them hot isnt a problem during mixing?
As long as you are using your ears, not your eyes, there is no problem. Red lights on a pre are not necessarily bad as long as it sounds good. Good question!
Do you do your own mastering? Any mastering engineer we have worked with request no compression on the master bus. What are your thoughts on this? Thank you for the great videos…
If ANY mastering engineer requests no compression on the mix bus, fire them immediately and get someone else. A mastering engineer should not take mixes that have been limited, and that should be the only restriction. I master nearly all the music I mix, and I master for a ton of other producer/mixers.
No such thing as a stupid question! It’s the classic electronic kick drum sound. But a widely used term when referring to any sort of electronic kick drums.
@@ColtCapperrune Yes indeed, the term is thrown about these days by the kids for just about any bass hit Kick drum sound, but an 808 kick is simply just the kick drum from Roland's classic TR-808 drum machine (analog) from the early 80s.
Hey man, cool video, but i almost disagree with all your're saying. Its stange. I think the best way to understand compression is to really experiment and study it. You don't always need the fastest release, añso i've studied compression a lot layelly and I found that the best thing that works for me is yo mix with out compression until the Last bit of mixing, other wise I will not have total control or knowlegde of what im doing. Compression is not set it and forget it. So, it was a cool video, but i feel like I don't understand why youre doing all youre doing. Interesting nevertheless. Thank you for your content
That’s an odd request… I make videos about the things I think are important. The things I wish someone would have told me, or showed me when I was starting out. I think hardware is important, so I show it in my videos and I talk about it. That said, the entire point of this video was to show the concept behind bus compression, and the settings I’m using. You can use these ideas and settings on any compressor, hardware or software. Thanks for watching.
I have to disagree. Plugin has it own quirk but hardware does something special. It is quite hard to demo a hardware while all plugin has a trial period. So it's nice to hear how hardware sound and how one approach mixing with it.
I love my 500 Serpent :) Been using it for couple years now.
These videos on the CAPI modules have been very helpful, I'm currently building a room for my home study and am considering getting this setup.
I use the Tegeler Créme for my mix bus, and man do I love that piece of gear.
What genre do you use the Crème on?
My mix bus compression is pretty straight forward. I have the audio coming in at about -8db rms. I use an ssl bus comp. I have a 30ms attack, autorelease, a ratio of 4, and the threshold set for max compression of about 5db. The sidechain/filter/whatever you want to call it is set so the kick and snare trigger the compressor approximately the same way.
I almost always will use it. When I do use it, it will be the first effect I “turn on” and I mix everything through it
Sounds like a good plan to me! Thanks for watching
Thanks Colt ! The Top Down Mixing video that you referenced was just what I needed to understand how you interface with the hardware rack. I can't wait to reconfigure my system and try out your mix bus methods.
I use the same compressor 👍 its a gem. I have several ssl style comps but the SB 4001 just has what I like an need. Love what it does to the snare 🤘
I use SSL Comp from Waves or SPL Iron on my mix bus but thanks for sharing the settings especially with SC Filter I didn't know how that was used now I do!!!
Great video, thanks for explaining mix bus compression settings.
Hope it helped! Thanks for watching.
You should do interviews too. You’d have better questions than other interviewers imo
Cool tips, I’ll def try this out!
Thanks Colt! Always pick up a gem here...
Your videos are amazing… thanks for sharing precious knowledge. I’m gaining a lot all the way from Nigeria
As always a very good and informative video.
Maybe sometime you could do a video on how exactly you integrate your hardware into the mixing process (i.e. connect, set up and routing) ? I just bought my first 500 rack with 2 capi vp25, a bus comp, an opto comp and a deesser but just can't get a handle on the latency. I would be very interested to see how a pro gets around the issue 😊
I have a very old video called ProTools 2019 problems and mixing with hardware that explains how I handle this. It is a very rudimentary cell phone video, but it gets the point across. Thanks for watching!
Hey man! Love the videos! I love the idea of using Mix Pres in your mix bus. Also, has anyone told you that you sound like Chris Pratt? haha anyway, keep up the great work!
Colt as usual great video.. can’t disagree on anything said.. getting that colour and feel of a mix at the start is so important. It’s so hard to get it in place at the end. Secondly; you asked me to contact you on instagram last video.. but I couldn’t get through but, I have just hit you up. Thanks..Keep the knowledge coming!
Colt sets it straight! Great video.
I just find out about the giveaway but big fan of your videos! 🤟🏽
Great video, as always!
I’m excited!
Me too!
start from today i would move from last part to beginning thanks for tips lol
Cool video! Mixbus compression is a tricky one, but it can add so much to your mixes... I love my wes audio dione for this, sounds big, never any problems with recalling any session, and the extra options to add thd are amazing too
I always like to watch your videos
thank you for this! Will be trying this
I’ve been a top down mixer for many years. But what’s not alluded to in this video is the automation that is involved to make a mix a musical performance. It’s sorta cool to see another SSL style 2bus comp, but I feel like this was more of an explanation of how your particular comp works rather than why. Really no skin off of my nose. Fun video!
You are the best.....🔥🔥🔥
Try mixing through a whole chain - many pro engineers use a bus comp, EQ and limiter. This is because it is what the master goes through so you can try to work knowing what’s going to happen.
informative video good sir, Gracias
Didn't like this video at the start because it was very "TH-camr'. But you know your shit and I think you explained things really well.
Just in time when I got myself an SSL G clone :D
Congrats!!!
Colt could you do a video on how to set up tracks to deliver to you for mastering, format, sample rate, levels, how to download for upload, Thank you
Great video! I definitely have a better understanding of mix bus compression. Question: Is it a good idea to do mix bus compeession in the box or does top down mixing really only work with outboard gear? Always look forward to your content!
The techniques are exactly the same regardless of whether you are using plug-ins, or hardware. Glad it helped!
Nice and interresting. Have you made a video about patchbays, what type to get and how to set it up?
Pretty much same settings as me. I’m 4:1 though on anything with a snappy snare. 1.5 seems too lazy to me energy wise. Unless it’s a 4 on the floor possibly
I respectfully disagree: putting the compressor on from the beginning doesn't work for me. This way I'm hitting a compression that I don't see when setting up other compressions on single tracks. I've been mixing twenty years with nothing on my mix buss and when I'm close to the end of the mix I put my 2buss compressor on (usually an SSL type) and it gives me that "glue" effect together with probably some EQ and saturation added, I just have to adjust and refine some levels , but that's really minimal. I'm seeing this other approach recently, the "top down one", but I really don't understand why. Plus, working with no "sauce" on my 2 Bus from the beginning forces me to get the sound I want from the single tracks, without relying on anything strapped across the 2 buss. I just add it at the end for extra polish and finalizing effect.
I ackowledge that everybody has his/her own way of going at this. Tried it, top down doesn't work for me, and yes, I too use mix buss compression 100% of the time.
To each their own! I’ve been mixing this way for at least 15 years. But if it doesn’t work for you then there’s nothing wrong with doing it a different way. If it sounds good it is good!
Colt thanks for what you do!!! Vids are great🔥🔥
Been looking at the SB4001 for my mixbus but can’t seem to find the different between the all black unit and the Newer one with the red out line. Do you know by any chance🤔🤔🤔
Keep doing what you do..
Do you sometimes still do top down mixing? Meaning, full mix eq/comp first?
I own an FMR RNLA and Drawmer 241 dl. Which would you use as a "poor mans" mix bus Compressor?
Nice video thank you!
I think about to purchase two preamps as you sugested in videos before. One thing came up to my mind is that how to cope with line lvl. Preamps are made to take low lvl and push it to the higher right? So how to implement them to the end of my mix/master? What Im missing?
Manny thanks 🎉
A little off topic but... Are you using the original op amps in your Heiders or did you install the newer CA-0252s?? Thinking about trying them! Great video :) I need to try something other than the auto release on my SSL...
I have 0252 in some of my different EQ, but the Heider still have the original
I'm curious to know what is your work flow if you have to recall a mix. Do you write down your analog mix bus settings for a specific mix? or do you take a picture of it to remember the settings if a client wants something small changed in the mix?
did i understand it right Colt, you goes with the capi Preamps before the Serpent ? i never seen this before on a Masterbuss .... preamps.....
That’s correct! I’ve discussed it in several of my recent videos!
@@ColtCapperrune ok, i will show this videos again. ;) Thanks
I wonder what your thoughts are on Jaycen Joshua’s God Particle by Cradle audio
hey colt i see you are hitting red lights on mic pre i watched your video in which you explained having mic pre on mix bus i use neve dpx so driving them hot isnt a problem during mixing?
As long as you are using your ears, not your eyes, there is no problem. Red lights on a pre are not necessarily bad as long as it sounds good. Good question!
@@ColtCapperrune thanx 😊
Greetings, what should I do to participate? I don't know what you're saying, I'm using a translator. 😅
What do you do when your client requests stems? Suddenly your buss compressor becomes a massive stumbling block!
I solo the tracks needed and print through the comp. Is it EXACTLY the same thing? No…. Does it really matter? Also no. Not for what I’m doing anyway.
What’s up with the loud noisefloor?
Do you do your own mastering? Any mastering engineer we have worked with request no compression on the master bus. What are your thoughts on this? Thank you for the great videos…
If ANY mastering engineer requests no compression on the mix bus, fire them immediately and get someone else. A mastering engineer should not take mixes that have been limited, and that should be the only restriction. I master nearly all the music I mix, and I master for a ton of other producer/mixers.
@@ColtCapperrune appreciate the feedback!
Is there a plugin version of the Serpent bus compressor?
I haven’t seen one, but there may be!
How hard are you feeding your mix thru your preamp?
Pretty hard! I drive the pre’s into the red on most songs 🤘🏻
I would love to win some gear.. i never win anything 😔
Stupid question: What is an "808"??
No such thing as a stupid question! It’s the classic electronic kick drum sound. But a widely used term when referring to any sort of electronic kick drums.
@@ColtCapperrune Yes indeed, the term is thrown about these days by the kids for just about any bass hit Kick drum sound, but an 808 kick is simply just the kick drum from Roland's classic TR-808 drum machine (analog) from the early 80s.
Hey man, cool video, but i almost disagree with all your're saying. Its stange. I think the best way to understand compression is to really experiment and study it. You don't always need the fastest release, añso i've studied compression a lot layelly and I found that the best thing that works for me is yo mix with out compression until the Last bit of mixing, other wise I will not have total control or knowlegde of what im doing. Compression is not set it and forget it.
So, it was a cool video, but i feel like I don't understand why youre doing all youre doing. Interesting nevertheless.
Thank you for your content
Snore
Cool story bro…
Please don't show any gear you have any more.
The world is changing, we need to know the plug-ins which we should own and we should know.
Thanks！
That’s an odd request… I make videos about the things I think are important. The things I wish someone would have told me, or showed me when I was starting out. I think hardware is important, so I show it in my videos and I talk about it. That said, the entire point of this video was to show the concept behind bus compression, and the settings I’m using. You can use these ideas and settings on any compressor, hardware or software. Thanks for watching.
I have to disagree. Plugin has it own quirk but hardware does something special. It is quite hard to demo a hardware while all plugin has a trial period. So it's nice to hear how hardware sound and how one approach mixing with it.